Game Thread: Spurs @ Bucks — Sat. 3/20/2021 - 8:00pm CST

[duncan2k5]

I mean, I like his game tonight but let's see it for several more games.

Exactly...I love Lonnie, but as of right now he just doesn't have a star mentality...next game he will come out and attempt 10 shots

[ace3g]

Giannis with dagger 3...

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[Barfunk]

We're fighting for a non play-in spot and Pop rests a key player like a dickhead.

[212094ever]

Of course. Still one of the worst MVPs in league history though.

[Leetonidas]

Good game. Spurs competed til the end. All we can ask for tbh

[LeBowen]

Exactly...I love Lonnie, but as of right now he just doesn't have a star mentality...next game he will come out and attempt 10 shots

I mean is it entirely his fault?
He usually plays with Patty and we all know how that goes.

Until Pop tells Patty to stop ball-hogging, nothing will change.

[BatManu20]

Game was over a few min ago tbh. Spurs fought til the end but ultimately Derrick having such a shitty game killed us. Onto the next.

[siraulo23]

horrible game from White especially in the 4th quarter

[TheGreatYacht]

Exactly...I love Lonnie, but as of right now he just doesn't have a star mentality...next game he will come out and attempt 10 shots
That’s probably because Poop tries to show him up and set an example out of him because he’s the easy victim that won’t slap him across his smug mouth.

[rude1_79]

I only saw the 2nd half, but Lonnie looks like he was playing at a slower pace today instead of a full speed all the time.

[duncan2k5]

I mean is it entirely his fault?
He usually plays with Patty and we all know how that goes.

Until Pop tells Patty to stop bal-hogging, nothing will change.

Ur right...That's a factor, I'm sure

[Ditty]

haven’t been too active here lately - please tell me that’s not a thing here and ST posters are still getting dumber?

What?! Just because I don’t post as much doesn’t mean I don’t watch the games. Lonnie has been fine all season for a guy who didn’t get consistent playing time until the bubble last season.

[Sugus]

Wasted Lonnie's career high :depressed

[FkLA]

Good game. Spurs competed til the end. All we can ask for tbh

Bullshit. The Bucks were only a few games better than the Spurs (record wise) this year. These moral victories when Poop rests guys are fucking old.

[SpurPadre]

Funny how alot of dudes here were adamant AF that White is our best player, one of you even blasphemously compared him to Manu.

[Dverde]

Spurs should send that Rudy Gay on Greek defense to the East teams. He really could help someone advance in the playoffs

[siraulo23]

Spurs were right there, but couldnt get any stops.

Holiday and Middleton played well in the 4th

[Sugus]

What?! Just because I don’t post as much doesn’t mean I don’t watch the games. Lonnie has been fine all season for a guy who didn’t get consistent playing time until the bubble last season.

I don't think you read that guy's quote correctly, my guy. BTW, which movie are your avatar/sig from? Been wondering for a while

[duncan2k5]

I mean is it entirely his fault?
He usually plays with Patty and we all know how that goes.

Until Pop tells Patty to stop ball-hogging, nothing will change.

On the other hand, someone with an Alpha dog mentality would NEVER let the likes of Patty ruin their career trajectory

[emanueldavidginobili]

For sure a winnable game, maybe would have been a different story with DJ playing tonight and White not being soft as shit.

[ace3g]

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[Ditty]

We played pretty well against a top five team in the league. I’ll take it. GG.

[TheGreatYacht]

Funny how alot of dudes here were adamant AF that White is our best player, one of you even blasphemously compared him to Manu.
Thank you :lmao

Faggot White fans are sensitive now and want to stop the comparisons now that their boy isn’t in the bubble anymore

[LeBowen]

Hard fought loss, can't ask for more.

Spacing will be so much better in a couple of seasons when Lonnie and Devin start together.
I'd be pretty content with DJ-Lonnie-Devin-Keldon-Jakob starting lineup.

9 home games coming up. Hopefully we can split the series with Clippers and win 6 out of 7 other games. That would be ideal.

[Degoat]

Kind of a weird game tbh we competed with them but it seemed like one of those games where even though it was close it never seemed like we were going to win imo. Onto the next one boys! Let’s hope LMA is gone soon

[duncan2k5]

Funny how alot of dudes here were adamant AF that White is our best player, one of you even blasphemously compared him to Manu.

I never understood that...I was just in an argument with some Spurs fans on youtube because they were SURE White is a star...and I'm like HOW??? Dude is 26 and averages 12ppg

[timtonymanu]

Funny how alot of dudes here were adamant AF that White is our best player, one of you even blasphemously compared him to Manu.

I mean two years ago it was arguable. Because he really did break out in 2019. Murray has deservingly earned more of that title of best player for sure lately but don’t resort to this petty nonsense again. You said it many times but we should hope both succeed. It shouldn’t be the first instinct to say :lol I was right all along, White sucks or :lol Murray’s contract was a mistake when one or both of them have a horrible game.

[PhantomDashCam]

Wasted Lonnie's career high :depressed

Na, his trade value went through the roof :stirpot:

J/K Sugus. Really happy for Lonnie. Could see Jrue at the end really happy for his performance, knows he’s got game.

[LeBowen]

On the other hand, someone with an Alpha dog mentality would NEVER let the likes of Patty ruin their career trajectory

Yeah, like being an adopted kid (Lonnie) and trying to take favorite son's place (Patty).
Lonnie would end up in the doghouse in no time.

[Ditty]

I don't think you read that guy's quote correctly, my guy. BTW, which movie are your avatar/sig from? Been wondering for a while

oh my bad then lol. Crazy/beautiful. My girl Kirsten Dunst was hottie back then.

[MannyIsGod]

This was a scheduled loss tbh. 5th game in 7 nights against the bucks? Of course pop rested players. Spurs schedule is nothing short of brutal. Happily take the L here to get those guys rest.

[FkLA]

hard fought loss :cry
we competed :cry

Fuck outta here with that weak shit. Pop gutted the team with his defeatist schtick and possibly cost us a winnable game.

[FkLA]

This was a scheduled loss tbh. 5th game in 7 nights against the bucks? Of course pop rested players. Spurs schedule is nothing short of brutal. Happily take the L here to get those guys rest.

:rolleyes

[heyheymymy]

The real W was seeing what we got in Walker.

[Spur|n|Austin]

What?! Just because I don’t post as much doesn’t mean I don’t watch the games. Lonnie has been fine all season for a guy who didn’t get consistent playing time until the bubble last season.

bro, I think you misunderstood - I meant I haven’t posted here much lately and was shocked to see people here want to trade him. I’m a big fan of Lonnie.

[GB20]

Who would have thought that Murray is a better shooter than white.

[FkLA]

Imagine having a "scheduled loss" when you're fighting for a playoff spot and have your youngest team in decades.

[BillMc]

The real W was seeing what we got in Walker.

Offense is smooth when he's on. Nice shot and can glide through the air. Needs to become way more consistant and improve his defense tremendously. Potential is there, that's for sure.

[TheGreatYacht]

Bucks have won 11 of their last 12 games and this was our 5th game in 7 nights. Proud of the team for hanging in there despite playing 4 on 6 all night.

It is fucking annoying though how Pop always goes with the player having their worst game to play almost the entire 4th quarter

[Spur|n|Austin]

I don't think you read that guy's quote correctly, my guy. BTW, which movie are your avatar/sig from? Been wondering for a while

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[Floyd Pacquiao]

derrick white sucks now because he had a bad game on a back to back

[Sugus]

Na, his trade value went through the roof :stirpot:

J/K Sugus. Really happy for Lonnie. Could see Jrue at the end really happy for his performance, knows he’s got game.

Haha, hope we get something real good IF we do trade up Lonnie... I agree he sometimes seems like the "odd man out" and doesn't outstand like the rest of our guards, but games like these reminds us of what his potential can bring. And of course he was going to show up against his "mentor" Jrue! Who BTW, is a crazy good player - easily the best addition the Bucks have made to their roster. He's the kind of guy that bails your offense out in the 4th of a tight playoff series, plus bringing elite D on the other side. Excellent player and he was torching us tonight.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I get that. Just seems everyone is on the same page as far as making the playoffs. Would take a lot at this point to give you what you want.

I don't know. What is there, 33 games left? We are not exactly a playoff lock at this point.

I'd want the playoffs if we looked consistently competent, but most of the time the team looks like they have no idea what they want to attempt to do from one possession to another. We never look like we are trying to play to any particular advantage, as if they just go out there totally unprepared every night. I don't know if that is a lack of understanding/IQ or just physical inability, but either way they need to do and or get something/someone different.

It's not the right time to be in the playoffs.

[Dejounte]

Worst game of the season by far for White. I have faith he'll get his shit together.

Don't want to celebrate Lonnie too soon. We've seen this episode before. But I saw a Lonnie who made smart reads, something not seen from his previous good games. Let's hope he keeps it up.

We thought we would get blown out by this team. We did well.

Rudy Gay was another stinker in this game.

Let's move on to the next.

[Sugus]

By the by - another game, another Luka no show. Just what is Pop's problem now? Is this another "CIA Pop" moment, or the latest in a series of Pop floundering his rookies/young picks? And it isn't even something like Lonnie's rookie season where you could say "see, he just doesn't play defense up to Pop's standard!". Just baffling.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1373476559076655105?s=19

DJMVP

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

By the by - another game, another Luka no show. Just what is Pop's problem now? Is this another "CIA Pop" moment, or the latest in a series of Pop floundering his rookies/young picks? And it isn't even something like Lonnie's rookie season where you could say "see, he just doesn't play defense up to Pop's standard!". Just baffling.

yep the story of the game for me is where the eff is fbfa luka

[BillMc]

By the by - another game, another Luka no show. Just what is Pop's problem now? Is this another "CIA Pop" moment, or the latest in a series of Pop floundering his rookies/young picks? And it isn't even something like Lonnie's rookie season where you could say "see, he just doesn't play defense up to Pop's standard!". Just baffling.

Yeah. Especially with Trey also benched. I'd have liked to give Luka a few minutes if no other reason than defensive experience on such a range of players including the Freak. I actually like Rudy as a person a lot, and don't want him forced out, but it looks like THIS season is not for Luka. Maybe next...

5:30 AM here need sleep. These games always are more tiring when you lose!

[timtonymanu]

By the by - another game, another Luka no show. Just what is Pop's problem now? Is this another "CIA Pop" moment, or the latest in a series of Pop floundering his rookies/young picks? And it isn't even something like Lonnie's rookie season where you could say "see, he just doesn't play defense up to Pop's standard!". Just baffling.

I’m willing to bet he would have never touched the court if Rudy didn’t catch COVID. At the very least that stretch where he played shows he’s not a g league scrub anymore lol

[timtonymanu]

Yeah. Especially with Trey also benched. I'd have liked to give Luka a few minutes if no other reason than defensive experience on such a range of players including the Freak. I actually like Rudy as a person a lot, and don't want him forced out, but it looks like THIS season is not for Luka. Maybe next...

5:30 AM here need sleep. These games always are more tiring when you lose!

Bill, you’re always a good man and fan. Too good for some of the people that post here. :toast

[BillMc]

Bill, you’re always a good man and fan. Too good for some of the people that post here. :toast

Cheers, bro. Back at yeah. :bobo Until next game....

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1373476500159217666?s=19

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1373477483769692160?s=19

I agree. Lonnie's hands were swiping at the ball more than usual this game. Good performance.

[SpurPadre]

I mean two years ago it was arguable. Because he really did break out in 2019. Murray has deservingly earned more of that title of best player for sure lately but don’t resort to this petty nonsense again. You said it many times but we should hope both succeed. It shouldn’t be the first instinct to say :lol I was right all along, White sucks or :lol Murray’s contract was a mistake when one or both of them have a horrible game.

I mean, dude gets way more leeway than any player on the team. He comes back from injury and people are like "you gotta give him a month to get in shape" but Murray comes off a season ending injury and people crucified him all year last season. And now that Murray is starting to put it all together, no one is putting him next to the Big 3 or be a potential superstar, certainly not me. But next time White puts up 20, I'm sure he'll be put on a pedestal again. I just don't think that's right.

[SpurPadre]

Bucks have won 11 of their last 12 games and this was our 5th game in 7 nights. Proud of the team for hanging in there despite playing 4 on 6 all night.

It is fucking annoying though how Pop always goes with the player having their worst game to play almost the entire 4th quarter

Agreed. Great team effort despite the self sabotage from Pop.

[timtonymanu]

I mean, dude gets way more leeway than any player on the team. He comes back from injury and people are like "you gotta give him a month to get in shape" but Murray comes off a season ending injury and people crucified him all year last season. And now that Murray is starting to put it all together, no one is putting him next to the Big 3 or be a potential superstar, certainly not me. But next time White puts up 20, I'm sure he'll be put on a pedestal again. I just don't think that's right.

People putting down Murray after his injury and missing a whole year definitely weren't being fair. I can admit I didn't believe in him also, but that was more because parts of his game still needed to be tooled and I have so much respect for him putting in the hard work because now he's a completely different player.

Also look at White this year. He's missed more than half the games due to injury and he had covid. Yet he's struggling again and all the anti-White jackasses come in here ready to say "Haha he sucked all along, I was right." Isn't it unfair to criticize the guy completely about his shortcomings when he's still not given enough games to get into rhythm yet? Seems to be the same unfair criticism that was against Murray before. Unfortunately for White, he's so damn injury prone, so this cycle of getting in and out of rhythm might just be what defines his career. Just because certain fans give him leeway doesn't mean we all feel that way. We just know he's capable of better. it's just people making hyperbole claims (none of them from you I might add) after one player has a bad stretch of games is getting old. Just look at how the forum often changes their opinion on Poeltl.

You do realize the comparison to Manu was more the role they play. White being the 6th man/playmaker off the bench, which we all speculated at a time so Murray can stay a starter and when we still had that scrub Brent Forms. :lol At least for me. I don't think any sane Spurs fan truly believes he was as good as Manu lol.

[SpurPadre]

I never understood that...I was just in an argument with some Spurs fans on youtube because they were SURE White is a star...and I'm like HOW??? Dude is 26 and averages 12ppg

When he has a good game, it's a well-rounded game where he makes a difference on both ends, but he just isn't consistent. Even if he finds it, I don't think his ceiling is that high.

[John B]

I think we got a pretty good team and can beat any team any given night. And they’re just going to get better.

[Sugus]

Yeah. Especially with Trey also benched. I'd have liked to give Luka a few minutes if no other reason than defensive experience on such a range of players including the Freak. I actually like Rudy as a person a lot, and don't want him forced out, but it looks like THIS season is not for Luka. Maybe next...

5:30 AM here need sleep. These games always are more tiring when you lose!

Respect, Bill. That's a true fan - I already find it hard to stay late to watch the Spurs, can't imagine doing those hours. Lol hope Pop rewards you with some Luka soon... For sure he could've helped this game. He could've checked Middleton who was shooting over guys the entire night, and get some more rebounds. I'm sure he'll get more playing time next season, but it's frustrating that he doesn't in this one when he's visibly ready... And Rudy's just done. Love him, but hope we could get a 1st out of trading him to a contender, getting him a chip in the meantime if lucky.

[timtonymanu]

When he has a good game, it's a well-rounded game where he makes a difference on both ends, but he just isn't consistent. Even if he finds it, I don't think his ceiling is that high.

See this right here is a fair take on White. I agree with this. Back then, when it was just White and Murray, he was way more valuable. But if Lonnie, Keldon, Vassell can develop into better players over time than White, the team would be better off trading him.

[cd98]

I see Walker in a lot of trade proposals and I think it’s a mistake. I don’t know what you pay him, but he seems like the most capable to replace DDR. He’s not as good, but if he can finish better, he has a nice jumper and pure athlete with a great first step. And he can create.

[cd98]

White isn’t a star but we’ve seen him play way better on offense. I think we need to see if he can get out of his shooting funk. He still plays solid D.

[SpurPadre]

People putting down Murray after his injury and missing a whole year definitely weren't being fair. I can admit I didn't believe in him also, but that was more because parts of his game still needed to be tooled and I have so much respect for him putting in the hard work because now he's a completely different player.

Also look at White this year. He's missed more than half the games due to injury and he had covid. Yet he's struggling again and all the anti-White jackasses come in here ready to say "Haha he sucked all along, I was right." Isn't it unfair to criticize the guy completely about his shortcomings when he's still not given enough games to get into rhythm yet? Seems to be the same unfair criticism that was against Murray before. Unfortunately for White, he's so damn injury prone, so this cycle of getting in and out of rhythm might just be what defines his career. Just because certain fans give him leeway doesn't mean we all feel that way. We just know he's capable of better. it's just people making hyperbole claims (none of them from you I might add) after one player has a bad stretch of games is getting old. Just look at how the forum often changes their opinion on Poeltl.

You do realize the comparison to Manu was more the role they play. White being the 6th man/playmaker off the bench, which we all speculated at a time so Murray can stay a starter and when we still had that scrub Brent Forms. :lol At least for me. I don't think any sane Spurs fan truly believes he was as good as Manu lol.

Good take, bro. I know you've been fair with Murray this season too. Much respect.

[timtonymanu]

Good take, bro. I know you've been fair with Murray this season too. Much respect.

We've had ugly back and forths regarding both, but you're a good dude and I wanna respect that. Hope your health has been good since you had covid before (I may be wrong) but wish you good health regardless. :toast

[SpurPadre]

We've had ugly back and forths regarding both, but you're a good dude and I wanna respect that. Hope your health has been good since you had covid before (I may be wrong) but wish you good health regardless. :toast

Thanks bro. I still don't know if I ever truly got COVID. I tested negative but I had the symptoms and was very sick for a week. I also got my first dose of the Moderna vaccine last week since I'm a government worker and got sick for a couple days after which my doctor told me are signs I might have had it before. Who knows but I feel great now! :toast

[stephen jackson]

Crazy how far Derrick has fallen off but I think this is who he is at this point he’s maxed out his talents. Lonnie kj dj vassel all have way higher ceilings

[duncan2k5]

When he has a good game, it's a well-rounded game where he makes a difference on both ends, but he just isn't consistent. Even if he finds it, I don't think his ceiling is that high.

That sounds like any other decent starter or 6th man...that's what separates them from being a star...White would have already been a star by 26 if he were ever going to be one...I've been telling ppl 9n this board this for years who were bashing DJ and propping up White...DJ is two years younger...he is DEFINITELY going to put up better numbers than white when he reaches the same age...imagine DJ only scoring 12ppg two years from now...that's unimaginable, unless he becomes part of a superteam and has to take a backseat

[ceperez]

Thanks bro. I still don't know if I ever truly got COVID. I tested negative but I had the symptoms and was very sick for a week. I also got my first dose of the Moderna vaccine last week since I'm a government worker and got sick for a couple days after which my doctor told me are signs I might have had it before. Who knows but I feel great now! :toast

The vaccine apparently is a cure for those with 'long covid'.

[ceperez]

Crazy how far Derrick has fallen off but I think this is who he is at this point he’s maxed out his talents. Lonnie kj dj vassel all have way higher ceilings

Athletically I agree that walker, kj, vassel and even dj have higher ceilings.

This year hasn't been great for Derrick. Injuries and covid slowed down his development.

[Slippy]

This aint a flukey performance from Lonnie. This a young player learning to string four full quarters of play. Said it a few times , he been hot for quarters. . The key part was he started cold, the spurs continued to call plays for him. He took it inside which got him going.. more often than not we seen him disappear because he has to compete for shots and mins with pops pecking order.

Spurs cant ignore Lonnie looking comfortable out there on both ends.You can tell the game is slowing down for him. .

[Slippy]

Great job Lonnie. You know he’s playing less than 10 mins next game :lol

This cracked me up. Wouldnt be surprised .

[RC_Drunkford]

We might not intentionally throw games but with guys refusing to bring the fire on a nightly basis and Demar being Demar, my hope for #1 pick isn't that fantastical. It could happen.

Anyway I'd settle for top 5.

Or the guys we have could start playing with more aggression every night. I'm fine with either.

But which is more fantastical?


Those blowouts don't happen for no reason. The guys still mostly look like they have never been on the court together. They don't learn. Something needs to change.

they haven't been on the court that much. Team is still gelling. The Poeltl/Johnson/DeRozan/White/Murray line up hasn't even played 10 games together


I see Walker in a lot of trade proposals and I think it’s a mistake. I don’t know what you pay him, but he seems like the most capable to replace DDR. He’s not as good, but if he can finish better, he has a nice jumper and pure athlete with a great first step. And he can create.

I always said Lonnie can be better than DeRozan. Just by being a good 3-point shooter he'd be more effective. Also a DeRozan/Lonnie wing duo has a high ceiling depending on when Lonnie puts it all together. He just has a pure jumper and supreme athleticism. It's all about making the right reads, staying aggressive and finishing better. He's already improving, finishing through contact, finishing with his left and coming off screens to get into his midrange jumper. There's no reason to trade him as these are minor things that he can improve on pretty quick.

[BillMc]

This year hasn't been great for Derrick. Injuries and covid slowed down his development.

Which is a bummer as Derrick, being older for a 'young' guy, is in his physical prime right now. He'll get wiser, he'll get healthier, but he won't get physcially more capable.

[MannyIsGod]

Imagine having a "scheduled loss" when you're fighting for a playoff spot and have your youngest team in decades.

Imagine thinking the spurs should play this brutal a schedule and not rest players in order to get the best results. Young team or not, lots of players on this team are injury risks.

[Ice009]

Really disappointed in the way Derrick played. It seemed like every time he clanged one of those good look threes he got, it seems like the Bucks came down and hit a three or scored most of those possessions. That really hurt the team as they were battling hard to stay in it. White needs to start playing A LOT better, otherwise, I can't justify him starting.

Also, in regard to Lonnie, I wasn't sure before, but I do not want to trade him. Great game. If he can keep playing like this, he could really become a great player.

[Dejounte]

Really disappointed in the way Derrick played. It seemed like every time he clanged one of those good look threes he got, it seems like the Bucks came down and hit a three or scored most of those possessions. That really hurt the team as they were battling hard to stay in it. White needs to start playing A LOT better, otherwise, I can't justify him starting.

Also, in regard to Lonnie, I wasn't sure before, but I do not want to trade him. Great game. If he can keep playing like this, he could really become a great player.

It's the first game for White where he was clearly hurting the team. The only reason White was disappointing before this game was that he was not providing much whenever he was on the court, not much different than 80% of the games Lonnie has shown us so far this season. People need to take a step back and either let the player put a string of good performances together or just be patient altogether.

[Slippy]

The spurs competed as a team . Its damn shame they couldnt pull it out.

DWhite deserves more time, the struggle continues showever. Disappointed he didnt concentrate on setting up his teammates since that jumper wasnt falling again.

The more schocking game was by Devin Vassell. Mistake prone and couldnt keep up with Bryn Forbes. Looked to be sleep walking . Didnt expect this sort of performance from Devin tbh. To be fair , maybe covid still lingering for both?

[ace3g]

Well Blazers and Nuggets lost tonight.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExDmz0SXEAEs21J?format=png&name=large

[Slippy]

Also, in regard to Lonnie, I wasn't sure before, but I do not want to trade him. Great game. If he can keep playing like this, he could really become a great player.

This most likely wont happen anytime soon. You got a starter and 2 chuckers with the green light to come back. Lonnie's mins and shot attempts will go down . Then some will be be quick to point out . Lonnie is useless .