Grades: Spurs at Bucks - Mar. 20, 2021 [Archive]

Spursfanfromafar

03-21-2021, 03:04 AM

Yeah. A tough as nails performance by the Spurs in a 5th in 7 nights game. Can't expect more. The young core is coming along really well. Now I am even willing to just buyout Aldridge without giving up on any of the core - Walker included. Lets the chips fall with the cap space next season.

Dejounte

03-21-2021, 05:19 AM

https://twitter.com/RealTomPetrini/status/1373495567624458241?s=19

Here's why Gay plays over Luka.

ceperez

03-21-2021, 05:49 AM

[QUOTE=Dejounte;10462088]https://twitter.com/RealTomPetrini/status/1373495567624458241?s=19

This team is going to get very good! They are all growing up together, playing g-league together. Going through major injuries. These guys have each others backs when the going gets tough. You can't buy this kind of camaraderie.

KingKev

03-21-2021, 06:24 AM

https://twitter.com/RealTomPetrini/status/1373495567624458241?s=19

Here's why Gay plays over Luka.

It’s going to be tough to see Rudy go. Really wish he could have been oart of the glory days. Would have been a great compliment to Tim/Tony/Manu in the early 2010s.

BillMc

03-21-2021, 06:33 AM

It’s going to be tough to see Rudy go. Really wish he could have been oart of the glory days. Would have been a great compliment to Tim/Tony/Manu in the early 2010s.

Kawhi kinda screwed Rudy. He thought he was joining a contender.

KingKev

03-21-2021, 06:54 AM

Kawhi kinda screwed Rudy. He thought he was joining a contender.

Yeah that pairing had the potential to really disrupt the Warriors during their run. What could have been!

Blackhaus

03-21-2021, 07:40 AM

Spurs played pretty well up until the end. Every time they got to within one point they always missed and the bucks came right back down and went on a mini run. I think it’s safe to say this ones on White. Dude could not hit anything and then he started to hesitate due to confidence. If He hits 3 or 4 of those good looks he had from 3 point land, Spurs might have pulled this one out. Missed DJ in there.

FutureMan

03-21-2021, 07:43 AM

Glad you gave White a “F”. This was the kind of game where if anyone else took those 14 shots we would’ve won.

mo7888

03-21-2021, 08:09 AM

I think your grades are spot on... :tu

KingKev

03-21-2021, 08:09 AM

Grades on point.

RC_Drunkford

03-21-2021, 08:26 AM

Gagnrath

03-21-2021, 08:34 AM

We would've easily won the game if Murray had played. Derrick White is playing like hot garbage he's been disappointing ever since the 2019 playoffs. If he keeps shooting like this Lonnie will take his starting spot. I'm really starting to wonder if Derrick peaked in that playoff series against Denver.

Loved what I saw from Lonnie, he's been much better at finishing at the rim recently and has been more aggressive looking for his midrange and 3-point shot. That's exactly what I wanted to see from him. He got star potential and I wouldn't trade him at all. Just hope Derrick can return to form, otherwise he's the one who will get traded first out of the young guys

Not an excuse exactly but white has been unable to stay in the line-up on any sort of consistent basis due to a number of minor but weird and lingering injuries ��. He is also something of a confidence and rythm player, he has shown good games in his comebacks here and there but really the guy needs a good off-season for rr and with just conditioning, skills drills and light play. Getting back to normal physically and being there for a few weeks can have a huge impact on an athlete.

RC_Drunkford

03-21-2021, 09:06 AM

Not an excuse exactly but white has been unable to stay in the line-up on any sort of consistent basis due to a number of minor but weird and lingering injuries ��. He is also something of a confidence and rythm player, he has shown good games in his comebacks here and there but really the guy needs a good off-season for rr and with just conditioning, skills drills and light play. Getting back to normal physically and being there for a few weeks can have a huge impact on an athlete.

I'm not ready to give up on him, but these foot issues and his non-consistent 3-point shooting might move him to the bench. Our starting line up needs a high volume 3-point shooter and if Lonnie keeps playing like this White will most likely move to the bench. I like that he's been aggressive and understand that he has been in and out of the line up, so I hope he finds his groove, but he really needs to get better at shooting 3s

r0drig0lac

03-21-2021, 09:30 AM

if there is a defeat to cheer up this is it, Walker's offensive star ceiling appears with every game more regularly, he just has a natural talent above any player on this team and this is extremely obvious.

Spurs Homer

03-21-2021, 09:32 AM

White needs to be traded now - hopefully before he tanks his “value” even more
or injures his vagina again

and

if Sammanich cannot see the floor when the spurs are playing a shit-ton of games and resting players

then he is already being wasted

especially after luka showed promise recently

Spurs Homer

03-21-2021, 09:32 AM

Dejounte

03-21-2021, 09:42 AM

The way this forum overreacts on a game to game basis is fucking hilarious.

BillMc

03-21-2021, 09:43 AM

Yeah that pairing had the potential to really disrupt the Warriors during their run. What could have been!

I sense you're being fescious. Rudy wouldn't have been "the pairing", he'd have been one of many contributors. As proven when the injury bug hit the Warriors, allowing Kawhi's Toronto team to win, any given season...Kawhi stays with the Spurs in 2018 or 2019 or later, who knows.

Anyway, Rudy who had mainly played on lousy teams arrived in SA anticipating his first real shot, only to have Nephew pull his shennaigans. That was my point.

KingKev

03-21-2021, 10:06 AM

I sense you're being fescious. Rudy wouldn't have been "the pairing", he'd have been one of many contributors. As proven when the injury bug hit the Warriors, allowing Kawhi's Toronto team to win, any given season...Kawhi stays with the Spurs in 2018 or 2019 or later, who knows.

Anyway, Rudy who had mainly played on lousy teams arrived in SA anticipating his first real shot, only to have Nephew pull his shennaigans. That was my point.

Was referring to Rudy’s versatility as I view him as a poor man’s version of PG. He would have been able to play multiple roles on both sides of the ball vs the Warriors so to me was an X factor specific to that team matchup. Unfortunately, as as you said, Kawhi’s dramatics ruined the window for a few guys Rudy included.

Not sure if I am being “fescious” ��

BillMc

03-21-2021, 10:21 AM

Was referring to Rudy’s versatility as I view him as a poor man’s version of PG. He would have been able to play multiple roles on both sides of the ball vs the Warriors so to me was an X factor specific to that team matchup. Unfortunately, as as you said, Kawhi’s dramatics ruined the window for a few guys Rudy included.

Not sure if I am being “fescious” ��

Ha ha. Mispelled facetious. My bad.

KingKev

03-21-2021, 10:22 AM

Ha ha. Mispelled facetious. My bad.

haha I was just clowning you homie. I think we were semi arguing the same point.

BillMc

03-21-2021, 10:23 AM

haha I was just clowning you homie. I think we were semi arguing the same point.
Yep:bobo

Mugen

03-21-2021, 10:28 AM

jjktkk

03-21-2021, 10:36 AM

The way this forum overreacts on a game to game basis is fucking hilarious.
Don't worry about these overeacting morons.. Spurstalk will dumb 'em down to dipshit levels. :tu

KingKev

03-21-2021, 10:39 AM

They've been competing hard since the 3rd quarter of the Bulls game tbh. Admirable effort but agree on DWhite needing to get better ASAP.

Reminds me of Dejounte after his ACL injury. Derrick still looks like he doesn't trust his body and looks slower/out of shape out there IMO.

Don’t think we need to look too deep into this: he needs time and a proper, consistent role to show what he has and why we paid him. It would be nice to get DJ, Keldon, Walker IV and White all playing well at the SAME DAMN TIME though.

Chomag

03-21-2021, 10:43 AM

Walker has everything to be a top player if he plays with fire and aggression like this every night. Its all on him if he makes it or breaks it in this league and he will have nothing to blame but himself if he doesn't find that other level.

As for the team, man I'm so thrilled with the way this core fights and even the games they are losing its not because lack of effort to compete. Add at least 1 "true" NBA star player with a winning attitude to this team core and this team will have no limits.

I guess what I'm saying is although I still don't see them as a top tier team yet , they have me excited as a fan of this team.

Truth4sale$

03-21-2021, 11:05 AM

Great write up
I thought this game was a lost cause and wanted Pop to rest the entire starting 5. My mistake, the guys played great with the exception of Derrick White. I believe the injuries, Covid, and the pressure to live up to his contract might be too much of a toll on him. This season, anyway. He might need to swap spots with Lonnie. Lonnie is a better scorer,...especially 3pt shooter, and with two playmakers in Derozan and Dejounte, a 3rd might not be necessary in the starting lineup. Lonnie defers too much, he has the potential to be the best multi faceted scorer on the team. Lonnie provided outside shooting (3pt shot) that is lacking in the starting unit.

LeBowen

03-21-2021, 11:11 AM

Walker has everything to be a top player if he plays with fire and aggression like this every night. Its all on him if he makes it or breaks it in this league and he will have nothing to blame but himself if he doesn't find that other level.

Sure, he has his fair share of blame and games where he's absolutely useless, but Pop simply has to give him the ball.

You think it's a coincidence he had a career game when Patty sat? Of course not. When he gets it going, he's the second best offensive weapon on the team after Demar and it's not even close.
But what are we witnessing every game when Patty plays? Lonnie wasting away his career in the corner while Patty keeps trying to hide behind screens and chuck every ball he gets.

Instead of giving the ball to Lonnie and having Patty do what he does best, being a off-ball spacing threat that causes chaos by constantly moving around. Patty as the primary ballhandler is almost always a win for the other team.

Ed Helicopter Jones

03-21-2021, 11:39 AM

I agree that this it's great to see what Lonnie can do when he's more of the focus of the offense and we're not subject to the Patty Mills chuck-fest.

I'm really bummed that White looked so horrible. The team played well enough to win. We had a nice game plan around slowing down Giannis. Everyone stepped up except for Derrick. Rare to see Timvp hand out an F, but this one was totally deserved. The Bucks should give Derrick White the game ball tonight. Hopefully he doesn't have a case of Danny Green-itus...get paid and relax.

rjv

03-21-2021, 11:39 AM

White is starting to concern me too. His 4th quarter performance against the Cavs was abysmal and he was horrible again last night. There was a moment last night where he turned it over and then missed his rotation which led to a Bucks three pointer. White literally dropped his head; it was terrible body language. His confidence is waning quickly.

TD 21

03-21-2021, 11:39 AM

It was going to require a minor miracle to win this no matter what obviously, but Walker IV only playing 33 minutes was/is inexplicable.

He's not the caliber of prospect and doesn't possess the trade value many seem to think, but when he ends up on a more modern team, I could easily see him being cajoled into a volume/streak 3-point shooter, who comes off the bench and has explosive performances like this semi regularly.

Even though it's easy to rationalize, I'm getting really sick of the White rollercoaster.

I realize he can't help the bad luck he's had injury/COVID wise, but he always takes a while to regain his confidence/rhythm and start resembling the player he is at his best. Then after flashes of that, he's inevitably back out the vicious cycle continues.

Though still relatively inexperienced in the NBA, he's too old for this.

rjv

03-21-2021, 11:44 AM

It was also great to see Lonnie getting those 4th quarter minutes that Mills has been unfortunately getting instead.

poopbox

03-21-2021, 11:55 AM

White has been at worst awful and at best inconsistent, but he started the season recovering from surgery, then got hurt again and missed extended time, and then got covid, so this season is probably going to be a wash for him...

He will get back on track eventually, he is to good not to, but it might be next season before it happens...

John B

03-21-2021, 12:06 PM

Thanks Timvp. Every game a new Spur is leading. Last night it was Lonnie, and it seems that lately he’s been playing great, making great decisions, being aggressive, not committing silly fouls. This team is playing really well, and starting to peak at the right time. They’re just going to get better. My only hope was Luka got yo play even though especially in an important game. Good stuff.

rankingtear

03-21-2021, 12:28 PM

The Lonnie over White argument would not age well.

PhantomDashCam

03-21-2021, 02:14 PM

Guys, Derrick deserves his share of the blame last night without question, but it is important to keep things in perspective:

- He’s still on his rookie scale contract atm (3.5 m), extension and raise kick in next season (15 +).
- He’s taking shots the coaching staff want him to. They’re fully aware of his abilities in this area.
- He has not been 100% healthy at any point during the season and when he was getting close to it, was playing some solid ball - pairing
with DJ to form a devastating 2 way attack in the b/c.
- COVID is a mofo. 5 games in 7 nights. B2B. Huge amount of travel in short period of time etc.

Keep the faith (or replenish your supply); 9 home games in a row coming up - great chance we see a return to form shortly.

GSG!

TheGreatYacht

03-21-2021, 02:23 PM

The Lonnie over White argument would not age well.
White will be 27 this offseason and folks are still waiting for him to take the next step. Lonnie turned 22 three months ago and has already shown flashes that, with confidence, he can be the best scorer on the team. It's the first year he's a part of the main rotation and he's played well... despite being Patty Mills' robin.

BackHome

03-21-2021, 04:41 PM

I like White but have come to realize that he is just a stop gap

Slippy

03-21-2021, 06:01 PM

It was also great to see Lonnie getting those 4th quarter minutes that Mills has been unfortunately getting instead.

Thats the rub. Patty shouldnt be ahead of him. That 4th quarter is part of his development curve. Most of this season pop s closed out with Patty even when Lonnies having a good outing.

Also when Lonnies coming off the bench . He needs to be the the focal point. POP needs to tighten the leach on Patty and Rudy when they in chucking mode. Its on coach since he sets that pecking order.

Sugus

03-22-2021, 12:44 AM

The way this forum overreacts on a game to game basis is fucking hilarious.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading some of the takes on Lonnie :lol someone gonna get fucking whiplash over this

Non-related note, but shoutout to that retard :lolmonty:lol who repeatedly told me Lonnie wasn't an NBA player :lmao

Ice009

03-22-2021, 01:20 AM

Sure, he has his fair share of blame and games where he's absolutely useless, but Pop simply has to give him the ball.

You think it's a coincidence he had a career game when Patty sat? Of course not. When he gets it going, he's the second best offensive weapon on the team after Demar and it's not even close.
But what are we witnessing every game when Patty plays? Lonnie wasting away his career in the corner while Patty keeps trying to hide behind screens and chuck every ball he gets.

Instead of giving the ball to Lonnie and having Patty do what he does best, being a off-ball spacing threat that causes chaos by constantly moving around. Patty as the primary ballhandler is almost always a win for the other team.

I forgot to post about that. I don't think it's a coincidence that Lonnie played better with Patty out. I believe Patty takes a lot of his shots when they're both coming off the bench. That is another reason I don't like Mills being around. He just chucks like crazy.

I also like that Lonnie went inside more and was able to finish. If he can keep doing that, and taking outside shots, he's going to be a much better player overall. He also needs to work on his consistency defensively.

Gagnrath

03-22-2021, 10:14 PM

I like White but have come to realize that he is just a stop gap

Nah White is the guy who is the team's multi-tool. Need a steady point guard to distribute..... D. White need a scorer...... D. White. Need a guy stopped on D at 1-3 D. White. Need Shooting..... D. White! He over the last two years has been asked to take over and fill every guard role and wing role on the team at one point or another, this tends to make him not actually get into a rythm and play his own game which is a slasher with a pull up that has to be respected. The slashing and passing gets him the shooting space and confidence. Now all year long he has had foot issues, add in covid making him lose his wind and conditioning and he has a bad game on the second night of a back to back.

He's this teams trenches guy, but hasn't fully hsd an off-season or been 100% healthy for two years save maybe the bubble.