LaMarcus Aldridge Gives Back $7.25 Million in Buyout with Spurs (Edit: Woj Says $5.8 Million) (Edit 2: Ouch, Looks Like Only $2.7 Million Now) (Edit 3: Wait, it might actually be $7.25 million)

[Spursfanfromafar]

To explain the latest edit, I'll repost this comment from a different thread:



Hollinger was in an NBA front office not too long ago so his info should be good. Aldridge's buyout math went off track because Woj decided to use a post-escrow number for an unknown reason (no one uses post-escrow numbers, tbh). He also worded it weird.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1375208639137468418

That makes it sound like the Spurs paid Aldridge $5.8 million to settle the amount owed to him. That's how Bobby Marks interpreted it...

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1375212533133479948

Also, Bobby Marks didn't use post-escrow numbers.

So, back to square one, if the Spurs still owed Aldridge $8.5 million, it's now sounding like Aldridge only asked for $1.25 million more in the buyout, which left the Spurs will $7.25 million. If that's the case, the Spurs could have had ~$6.4 million in salary cap space after the Aldridge buyout and before the Dieng signing.

If you want to translate those numbers to post-escrow, Aldridge was owed $6.8 million and asked for exactly $1 million in the buyout, which left the $5.8 million that Woj referenced. That $1 million is such a round number that now I'm thinking this is what really happened :wow

Pop: "Sorry to see you go, LA. How much do you want in your buyout?"
Aldridge: "Since you guaranteed my contract when you didn't have to, give me a million and we'll call it even."

Ha, it seems that loyalty, honour and reputation does translate into something tangible. Good to see the Spurs making good after a few botched FO transactions lately.

[Kurik]

What is the max character limit for thread titles?

[TDomination]

To explain the latest edit, I'll repost this comment from a different thread:

So, back to square one, if the Spurs still owed Aldridge $8.5 million, it's now sounding like Aldridge only asked for $1.25 million more in the buyout, which left the Spurs will $7.25 million. If that's the case, the Spurs could have had ~$6.4 million in salary cap space after the Aldridge buyout and before the Dieng signing.

If you want to translate those numbers to post-escrow, Aldridge was owed $6.8 million and asked for exactly $1 million in the buyout, which left the $5.8 million that Woj referenced. That $1 million is such a round number that now I'm thinking this is what really happened :wow

Pop: "Sorry to see you go, LA. How much do you want in your buyout?"
Aldridge: "Since you guaranteed my contract when you didn't have to, give me a million and we'll call it even."

So then Aldridge actually did the Spurs a solid? No only by leaving but by not demanding much. Finally someone who doesn't completely screw this team over.

[SpursDynasty85]

Spurs and Aldridge probably had an agreement set out that conditioned in his last year if things were not going as planned and a trade couldn't work that met certain conditions a buyout would be agreed upon. Aldridge still got a nice fat paycheck for his services this year and last year and now he is straight ring chasing for his legacy on his last legs of basketball. Might even see a retirement contingent on winning a trophy this year. I'm sure going through shoulder surgery, and a hip injury at this age and having to defend in today's NBA took their toll. Persistence by the Spurs front office seemed to have been rewarded with Aldridge in the end.

[Seventyniner]

So, back to square one, if the Spurs still owed Aldridge $8.5 million, it's now sounding like Aldridge only asked for $1.25 million more in the buyout, which left the Spurs will $7.25 million. If that's the case, the Spurs could have had ~$6.4 million in salary cap space after the Aldridge buyout and before the Dieng signing.

If you want to translate those numbers to post-escrow, Aldridge was owed $6.8 million and asked for exactly $1 million in the buyout, which left the $5.8 million that Woj referenced. That $1 million is such a round number that now I'm thinking this is what really happened :wow


Nice work. :bobo

Minor nitpick: you mean $6.4M below the tax, not cap space, right? And the Spurs only had that much due to not using all of the MLE last offseason?

[timvp]

Nice work. :bobo

Minor nitpick: you mean $6.4M below the tax, not cap space, right?

Yeah, good point. I'll fix. Thanks.


And the Spurs only had that much due to not using all of the MLE last offseason?

Yeah. If the Spurs had used the entire MLE, Aldridge's buyout would have brought them back down to right around the threshold.

[mo7888]

To explain the latest edit, I'll repost this comment from a different thread:



Hollinger was in an NBA front office not too long ago so his info should be good. Aldridge's buyout math went off track because Woj decided to use a post-escrow number for an unknown reason (no one uses post-escrow numbers, tbh). He also worded it weird.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1375208639137468418

That makes it sound like the Spurs paid Aldridge $5.8 million to settle the amount owed to him. That's how Bobby Marks interpreted it...

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1375212533133479948

Also, Bobby Marks didn't use post-escrow numbers.

So, back to square one, if the Spurs still owed Aldridge $8.5 million, it's now sounding like Aldridge only asked for $1.25 million more in the buyout, which left the Spurs will $7.25 million. If that's the case, the Spurs could have had ~$6.4 million in room below the luxury tax threshold after the Aldridge buyout and before the Dieng signing.

If you want to translate those numbers to post-escrow, Aldridge was owed $6.8 million and asked for exactly $1 million in the buyout, which left the $5.8 million that Woj referenced. That $1 million is such a round number that now I'm thinking this is what really happened :wow

Pop: "Sorry to see you go, LA. How much do you want in your buyout?"
Aldridge: "Since you guaranteed my contract when you didn't have to, give me a million and we'll call it even."

:bobo

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

The thread title is hilarious. Lmao

[Chinook]

So can we like erase most of this thread and go back to where we were all giving handies to LMA's memory? As I said in another thread, the implications are immense for how it could affect the Spurs' potential roster moves.

[Chinook]

Nice work. :bobo

Minor nitpick: you mean $6.4M below the tax, not cap space, right? And the Spurs only had that much due to not using all of the MLE last offseason?

He might've gotten tripped up because I've been using the term "salary space" to refer to room under the tax/Spurs budget in that rabbit hole of a thread.

[gambit1990]

What is the max character limit for thread titles?
7.25 million

[JPB]

What is the max character limit for thread titles?

:lol

[Joseph Kony]

1375931661997776899

Lol..."i was gonna go to miami, but brooklyn is probably gonna win the title so i went there"

:lol Riley getting cucked by LMA and the Raptors and then not getting Dieng

[Robz4000]

1375931661997776899

Lol..."i was gonna go to miami, but brooklyn is probably gonna win the title so i went there"

:lol Riley getting cucked by LMA and the Raptors and then not getting Dieng

:lol tried to screw over the Spurs and instead screwed over himself

[TDomination]

with LMA doing the spurs a favor with the buyout, i'm glad things worked out the way they did. especially him signing with nets instead of joining a team that was unwilling to work with us to trade for Aldridge. So i hope the Nets do make the finals.

[Robz4000]

Over/under on when the next edit will be?

[Arcadian]

What is the max character limit for thread titles?

Apparently there isn't one?

[Joseph Kony]

with LMA doing the spurs a favor with the buyout, i'm glad things worked out the way they did. especially him signing with nets instead of joining a team that was unwilling to work with us to trade for Aldridge. So i hope the Nets do make the finals.

Fuck that tbh. I hope the Nets crash and burn only because their big three are the most annoying players in the league.

KD = softest, most pussy "superstar" in history, most anti-competitive player of all time
Kyrie = giant douche, massive complex, huge narcissist's, speaks in parables and thinks the world is flat. burning sage before games? lmao. jackass all around
Harden = need i say more?


fuck them tbh. only team i loathe more is Nephew's

[Robz4000]

Fuck that tbh. I hope the Nets crash and burn only because their big three are the most annoying players in the league.

KD = softest, most pussy "superstar" in history, most anti-competitive player of all time
Kyrie = giant douche, massive complex, huge narcissist's, speaks in parables and thinks the world is flat. burning sage before games? lmao. jackass all around
Harden = need i say more?


fuck them tbh. only team i loathe more is Nephew's


Fuck the Lakers more tbh, but I agree with your sentiment.

[Uriel]

Thank you, Aldridge. :tu

[KingKev]

Thank you, Aldridge. :tu

Not my money and doesn’t change our NBA outlook as Spurs but easier to cheer him on now.

[CGD]

It kinda feels like there was a gentleman’s agreement going back to when they guaranteed his last contract year.

“Look, we’re gonna guarantee you; you’ll get ~16M by around the trade deadline which is more than you’d gotten in open market; if we keep you we keep you and you get the other 8M; if you want to be released for whatever reason the expectation is you give most of that 8M back”

[Ice009]

It kinda feels like there was a gentleman’s agreement going back to when they guaranteed his last contract year.

“Look, we’re gonna guarantee you; you’ll get ~16M by around the trade deadline which is more than you’d gotten in open market; if we keep you we keep you and you get the other 8M; if you want to be released for whatever reason the expectation is you give most of that 8M back”

Sounds like it could have gone down that way, but do you think Aldridge would have agreed to that beforehand? If so, I guess I give him props for doing the Spurs a solid.

[Dverde]

LMA’s post game is a thing of beauty. The wet fart odor he left is gone. I hope he gets a ring despite the other bums on the Nets.

[rjv]

nice to know woj has an actual chink in the armor

[cd98]

LMA’s post game is a thing of beauty. The wet fart odor he left is gone. I hope he gets a ring despite the other bums on the Nets.

Maybe Nash will finally win that title.

[gambit1990]

i’m fine with la winning his first ring... after he leaves the nets.

[DeRozan m8]

Who cares...hes a little bitch.

[The Truth #6]

So can we like erase most of this thread and go back to where we were all giving handies to LMA's memory? As I said in another thread, the implications are immense for how it could affect the Spurs' potential roster moves.

That's actually really funny.

[BacktoBasics]

Fuck that tbh. I hope the Nets crash and burn only because their big three are the most annoying players in the league.

KD = softest, most pussy "superstar" in history, most anti-competitive player of all time
Kyrie = giant douche, massive complex, huge narcissist's, speaks in parables and thinks the world is flat. burning sage before games? lmao. jackass all around
Harden = need i say more?


fuck them tbh. only team i loathe more is Nephew's
Pretty much dead on. 3 of the biggest self aggrandizing pricks in the NBA.

[PhantomDashCam]

LMA - First Zoom interview after Nets arrival

https://sports.yahoo.com/lamarcus-aldridges-not-listening-nets-212307930.html


"Brooklyn made it known right away that they were very interested," Aldridge said. "[Kevin Durant (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4244/)] hit me quick and said 'Definitely come here.' So kinda just waited it out and weighed my options and I just ended up coming here. It's a pretty good team and I think I could definitely help."

"I don't follow any of that stuff," he said. "If you've followed me during my career, I don't really read clippings and all that type of thing, so I had no clue about it.
"I'm just hear to play basketball. I'm older, so it's an opportunity to be on a winning team and bring some things that I think that can help, and that's all that is."

"It was about a role," Aldridge said. "I help fill a void of having a bigger five man that can score and play defense. ... I think that was a bigger factor."



Shame he didn't buy into that role here...

[cd98]

LMA - First Zoom interview after Nets arrival

https://sports.yahoo.com/lamarcus-aldridges-not-listening-nets-212307930.html


Yeah, but we don't have Kevin Durant to tell him to take that role.
Shame he didn't buy into that role here...

[SpursDynasty85]

LMA - First Zoom interview after Nets arrival

https://sports.yahoo.com/lamarcus-aldridges-not-listening-nets-212307930.html



Shame he didn't buy into that role here...

Bull crap. He gave back $7M and we replaced him with Gorgui Dieng. Thanks Aldridge! Go win your SHIP!

[PrimeMinister]

If the nets are serious about moving away from Jordan-

Aldridge will start a few games - his defensive woes might be hidden by the nets offense. But down the stretch and as they play more capable teams he will be the target of the opposition on every possession- he will be left open to take 3s as his man is used as a free safety to double the ball handler and he will be an unplayable weak link in their chain.

he will be out of their playoff rotation- Claxton will be taking most of not all of his minutes and in playoff games they will alternate looks between Claxton and Jeff Green at the 5 because their other bigs are unplayable garbage.

LA... I want to be mad at how insulting those comments are to people who actually watched games over the last 12 months. But having watched his interviews for the last half decade I know he usually just gets in front of a microphone and says whatever he thinks is the right answer regardless and doesn’t mean anything by it.

[MultiTroll]

:cry:cry He only made upwards of 100 million from the Spurs but gave back so much :cry:cry

:cry He's such a giver. :cry

All for getting ousted in the 1st round twice.

[ace3g]

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LaMarcus Aldridge will start in his Nets debut tonight against the Hornets
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex7I--NU4AE0UFr?format=jpg&name=small (https://t.co/0ToOogAZNq)


6:07pm · 1 Apr 2021 (https://twitter.com/BR_NBA/status/1377759548442701824) · TweetDeck (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

[ace3g]

LA fooled us, nah just kidding, but is having a good game.

https://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/bkn.png&h=100&w=100 Nets



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2-5
0-0
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5
5
1
1
0
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B. Brown (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4065670/bruce-brown) SF

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L. Aldridge (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2983/lamarcus-aldridge) C

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6
6
4
1
0
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+18

9



K. Irving (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6442/kyrie-irving) PG
13
3-6
0-1
0-0
2
3
5
4
0
1
1
2
+16
6

[TimDunkem]

He's actually sprinting and playing hard now. :lmao

[Darius Bieber]

Jesus. He looks like a completely different player out there. I guess the Spurs don’t get the best and most out of their players anymore.

[TimDunkem]

Jesus. He looks like a completely different player out there. I guess the Spurs don’t get the best and most out of their players anymore.
There's just something about this team that alienates some guys who originally didn't mind playing in SA.

Not that I care in this case though because LMA has always been a loser.

[Ice009]

Darn, so he's actually playing his ass off? How is he looking on defense? Is he moving around better?

[tonight...you]

Fresh legs look great to the elderly until a few games in...

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1377804595074752517

[ace3g]

42.2 - 3rd


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ATL
32
22
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81


SA
22
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77

[Leetonidas]

Did LA ever have 6 assists as a Spur?

[daslicer]

Darn, so he's actually playing his ass off? How is he looking on defense? Is he moving around better?

He was moving much better on the defensive end. He made a lot of great rotations.

[RC_Drunkford]

Did LA ever have 6 assists as a Spur?

yeah he had 7 against the Celtics in 2018/19

[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFacvMjSR8c

[Ice009]

If LA still keeps an eye on the Spurs (which I doubt), man, he's going to wake up feeling so much better and happier tomorrow morning knowing he's off of this team and on the Nets now.


He was moving much better on the defensive end. He made a lot of great rotations.

Thanks. I might watch that highlight video. That pretty much says/shows he didn't want to be on the Spurs anymore if he's looking a lot better defensively.

[Kurgan]

He was moving much better on the defensive end. He made a lot of great rotations.

He was obviously phoning it in on the Spurs. Quit on the team pretty much.

[timtonymanu]

Quit on the Spurs

But it’s all “:cry Thank you Aldridge, go get a ring,” from the cuck fans on here.

[timtonymanu]

Up there with Stephen Jackson for me in all time hated Spurs. Just a level below Nephew being a bitch-ass but I have nothing positive to say about LMBeta's time here.

[daslicer]

Quit on the Spurs

But it’s all “:cry Thank you Aldridge, go get a ring,” from the cuck fans on here.

I'm Machiavellian about it. I'm for anybody but the Lakers or Clippers.

[daslicer]

Up there with Stephen Jackson for me in all time hated Spurs. Just a level below Nephew being a bitch-ass but I have nothing positive to say about LMBeta's time here.

I don't know how you can put Aldridge on the same level as Stephen Jackson when it comes to all time hated Spurs. Jackson aided and abetted Kawhi with calling out Pop,Manu,Parker and the media ran with with it. Jackson shitted on the Spurs through the media on every occasion. You can hate Aldridge for quitting and half assing it but he hasn't said anything nasty or negative about the Spurs like Jax did. Jax will always be number 2 for me as most hated Spurs while Kawhi is number 1 all time.

[J_Paco]

If LA still keeps an eye on the Spurs (which I doubt), man, he's going to wake up feeling so much better and happier tomorrow morning knowing he's off of this team and on the Nets now.



Thanks. I might watch that highlight video. That pretty much says/shows he didn't want to be on the Spurs anymore if he's looking a lot better defensively.

Yeah, no shit. The Nets are title contenders if not favorites while the Spurs are heading into a full rebuild.

I'm just happy the guy is gone and the team can focus on making the playoffs. The brutal 2nd half schedule & the team's uneven play are going to make that more daunting a task.

[timtonymanu]

I don't know how you can put Aldridge on the same level as Stephen Jackson when it comes to all time hated Spurs. Jackson aided and abetted Kawhi with calling out Pop,Manu,Parker and the media ran with with it. Jackson shitted on the Spurs through the media on every occasion. You can hate Aldridge for quitting and half assing it but he hasn't said anything nasty or negative about the Spurs like Jax did. Jax will always be number 2 for me as most hated Spurs while Kawhi is number 1 all time.

Aldridge may not have trash talked but his constant laziness and other antics (showing to training camp fat all the time, demanding a trade because he wasn't getting his touches, playing soft on the court while Pop had to baby him to not hurt his feelings, playing half-assed effort when the offense wasn't catering to him) was too much for me. I'm glad he's gone and I won't remember a good thing about his time here. I wonder if he shits his pants in practice when he sees Splitter (who is a Nets assistant) again after the Golden God made him a nonfactor back in the 2014 Portland series.

[james evans]

looking at the highlights of the Nets game last night was sickening. Aldridge played in the paint, he immediately passed out of the double teams, and he rushed to get back on defense. I just think he wanted to get fuck away from popovich. He's actually trying on defense. I wonder how long before Murray wants out

[james evans]

I don't know how you can put Aldridge on the same level as Stephen Jackson when it comes to all time hated Spurs. Jackson aided and abetted Kawhi with calling out Pop,Manu,Parker and the media ran with with it. Jackson shitted on the Spurs through the media on every occasion. You can hate Aldridge for quitting and half assing it but he hasn't said anything nasty or negative about the Spurs like Jax did. Jax will always be number 2 for me as most hated Spurs while Kawhi is number 1 all time.
at some point, we got to stop blaming players if no one wants to stay with us. Because there is a common denominator in all of this shit whether any of us want to admit it or not. Le'ts not forget, Duncan was almost out the door too in free agency during his prime to team up with Tmac and Hill. Popovich has become worse with age. It's getting really bad and I'm just waiting for the inevitable this off season of Maxing out Defrozen and extending mills for $17 million per..

[weeks]

looking at the highlights of the Nets game last night was sickening. Aldridge played in the paint, he immediately passed out of the double teams, and he rushed to get back on defense. I just think he wanted to get fuck away from popovich. He's actually trying on defense. I wonder how long before Murray wants out
I think Pop leaves before murray.

[daslicer]

at some point, we got to stop blaming players if no one wants to stay with us. Because there is a common denominator in all of this shit whether any of us want to admit it or not. Le'ts not forget, Duncan was almost out the door too in free agency during his prime to team up with Tmac and Hill. Popovich has become worse with age. It's getting really bad and I'm just waiting for the inevitable this off season of Maxing out Defrozen and extending mills for $17 million per..

I agree and objectively I can honestly say if I was a player I would hate playing for Pop. The problem is Pop has nothing to live for since his wife died so I have a bad feeling he's going to continue to coach until he can't function anymore. I definitely see him returning after this season since he's obsessed in breaking the all time coaching record for wins. It's really all about him now and not about the team.

[GreekSpursfan]

He wanted out not because of Pop but because the team has no top tier talent and is going nowhere fast. People need to get over their hatred towards Pop. All teams have to go through a period like this but Pop the POBO needs to realise that we need to tank now, lose every game until the end. We should've traded DDR, fuck.
LMA wants a ring and thats the only reason he wanted out. Good luck LMA, go get your ring even though i don't think you will if Lechoke and AD get back in time and healthy.

[John B]

Aldridge with 11 pts, 9 rebs, 6 assists, 2 steals and a block in 30 minutes in his debut with the Nets, as a starter. Not to shabby. He brings them experience and a go to scorer in a Center position. And with plenty of shooters around him, 6 assists, he would be very effective with them. At least it wasn’t the Lakers. I wonder if he retires if they ring this year. I think so.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't understand why people are mad at him tbh. The Nets put him in the post surrounded by 4 3-point shooters. When has that ever been the case here? On the Spurs it was :pop: "Hey LaMarcus you should shoot 3s because DeMar doesn't shoot them". The Nets play him to his strengths, while the Spurs totally eliminated them. Last season they surrounded him with Trey Lyles and Bryn Forbes. If any of y'all would be professional NBA players, y'all would want out too. Especially when the coach wants to bench you for a siginificantly less talented player in Jakob Poeltl who airballs free throws. Of course you would want a change of scenery after that. The Spurs style of play is the total opposite of how Aldridge plays

[rjv]

i'll defer to judgement on LMAs renewed energy when it's crunch time. if he lights up embiid or the greek freak and AD then i'll say "ouch". but a decent game against the hornets doesn't exactly mean he's resurrected his career. the way i figure it, the nets are likely title bound anyway so the addition of LMA to that cast was not something that moved the meter much anyway. and he was not going to be on the spurs roster come this summer.

[daslicer]

I don't understand why people are mad at him tbh. The Nets put him in the post surrounded by 4 3-point shooters. When has that ever been the case here? On the Spurs it was :pop: "Hey LaMarcus you should shoot 3s because DeMar doesn't shoot them". The Nets play him to his strengths, while the Spurs totally eliminated them. Last season they surrounded him with Trey Lyles and Bryn Forbes. If any of y'all would be professional NBA players, y'all would want out too. Especially when the coach wants to bench you for a siginificantly less talented player in Jakob Poeltl who airballs free throws. Of course you would want a change of scenery after that. The Spurs style of play is the total opposite of how Aldridge plays

Agreed. I get why some people in here hate him due to him not always coming in shape when the season started in the past but for me I will never hate him. It's funny they are people who hate him for quitting but also hated him when he had his best season here which was from '17-'19. I honestly feel during that 2 year stretch Aldridge got burned out from carrying all the trash he was surrounded with. Aldridge had to be great on both ends during that stretch for the Spurs just to get into the playoffs. I felt after '19 he figured expanding all his energy for a first round loss wasn't worth it.

[james evans]

He wanted out not because of Pop but because the team has no top tier talent and is going nowhere fast. People need to get over their hatred towards Pop. All teams have to go through a period like this but Pop the POBO needs to realise that we need to tank now, lose every game until the end. We should've traded DDR, fuck.
LMA wants a ring and thats the only reason he wanted out. Good luck LMA, go get your ring even though i don't think you will if Lechoke and AD get back in time and healthy.
And who built this team of no too tier talent as they continue to sign players past their prime or these slow non defensive players for top dollar? Who is responsible for that? Who is responsible fir mills acting like he’s steph curry late in games?

[TD 21]

What did people expect? Of course he was going to be reinvigorated playing on a contender for either the second (I'd argue) or third (depending on your taste of the '17 Spurs) time in his career, while being thrust into the national spotlight for the first time since his first two seasons here and hearing about how bad/washed up he is. I'm sure he also wants to prove that's not the case to himself too.

That doesn't mean he was mailing it in here, though subconsciously I'm sure his effort waned playing on not only a mediocre team, but one that wanted him to play a reduced role for a cadre of role players.

I didn't like the unnecessary dig at the Spurs, but it's par for the course at this point.



at some point, we got to stop blaming players if no one wants to stay with us. Because there is a common denominator in all of this shit whether any of us want to admit it or not. Le'ts not forget, Duncan was almost out the door too in free agency during his prime to team up with Tmac and Hill. Popovich has become worse with age. It's getting really bad and I'm just waiting for the inevitable this off season of Maxing out Defrozen and extending mills for $17 million per..

Yeah and it's basically all the same reasons from people with similar backgrounds.

[PhantomDashCam]

I’m just going to post these two clips here. Some hyperbole, some perhaps over simplification of his impact but telling nonetheless IMHO.

First, post game from LMA himself:


https://youtu.be/hPqdHQxNkU0

Second, some media reaction from KOC:


https://youtu.be/Jq1cnNu8tQQ

Again you can draw own conclusions on how this situation all played out but I will say this, if he continues to play at a high level (and again this is after one game so hard to say), he could’ve benefited the Spurs greatly at the trade dead line (by bringing this same attitude, physical commitment and effort on both ends), rather than being viewed as a roster ballast whose name and prior accomplishments defined his value.

[james evans]

I’m just going to post these two clips here. Some hyperbole, some perhaps over simplification of his impact but telling nonetheless IMHO.

First, post game from LMA himself:


https://youtu.be/hPqdHQxNkU0

Second, some media reaction from KOC:


https://youtu.be/Jq1cnNu8tQQ

Again you can draw own conclusions on how this situation all played out but I will say this, if he continues to play at a high level (and again this is after one game so hard to say), he could’ve benefited the Spurs greatly at the trade dead line (by bringing this same attitude, physical commitment and effort on both ends), rather than being viewed as a roster ballast whose name and prior accomplishments defined his value.
Should have been traded 2 years ago.

[duncan2k5]

Quit on the Spurs

But it’s all “:cry Thank you Aldridge, go get a ring,” from the cuck fans on here.
Makes me sick,tbh

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He was obviously phoning it in on the Spurs. Quit on the team pretty much.

Stop.

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Makes me sick,tbh

Says the dude that hangs on nephs junk to this day. You and the person you're replying to both trashed LMA for years on here. The dude was misused by the coaches and was abused by half ass fans here despite personally carrying the team for three years. You're gotdamn right I hope LMA rings and I hope he fickin wins Finals MVP and hits the winning bucket for you fucking lovers on here that feel so entitled to star players playing up to your expectations. Have some of his future career.

[Degoat]

I’m not mad at LMA or the spurs tbh, honestly it’s the way the league is, it’s bullshit... everyone and their mothers were saying Aldridge was washed, he isn’t he just needed a change of scenery... now he’s not the same all star player but he’s still a very valuable offensive big, and it’s complete crap that the narrative around the league spit out by everyone was that he was washed and wasn’t worth offering any assets for in a trade

[spurs1990]

More I think about it should be natural for Spurs fans to berooting for New Jersey at this point. Firstly, Spurs have history with them as fellow ABA member and they did the honors on ring #2.

Current Spurs alums:
GM - Sean Marks
Coaches - Tiago Splitter, Ime Udoka, Jacque Vaughn

Their uniforms are homages (rip-offs?) To the Spurs silver and black.

Most importantly they should accomplish what matters most and that's to keep LA from winning a championship. The fact that Jersey has three top 10 players, Joe Harris, and the Griffen, Aldridge former franchise guys will not catapult any of these guys legacy. They'll be remembered the same as the Durant Warrirors teams - a ho-hum ring. But it will be good for a new fan base to get a title and especially in NYC area for the 1st time in 50 years.

Once the Gregg-Derozan 2021 campaign ends in late May, we can switch our vote to the lesser evil up in the Northeast.

[daslicer]

I’m not mad at LMA or the spurs tbh, honestly it’s the way the league is, it’s bullshit... everyone and their mothers were saying Aldridge was washed, he isn’t he just needed a change of scenery... now he’s not the same all star player but he’s still a very valuable offensive big, and it’s complete crap that the narrative around the league spit out by everyone was that he was washed and wasn’t worth offering any assets for in a trade

The media and league narrative was LMA had no value since he was not a 3 point shooting big man and was a mid range shooter. That really killed his value. It's the same reason why Demar has low value because he's not a 3 point shooter. I think in LMA's case the narrative was stupid because he could hit 3 pointers when wide open at a decent rate but also had a post up game that was undervalued. Also like you said the narrative was that he was washed up when he wasn't. There are a bunch of idiots know on other basketball message boards that are shocked that LMA is actually a decent player. The outrage is funny I'm seeing from these other boards in people complaining that a player like LMA should have never been bought out and that he should have been traded.

[BillMc]

More I think about it should be natural for Spurs fans to berooting for New Jersey at this point. Firstly, Spurs have history with them as fellow ABA member and they did the honors on ring #2.

Current Spurs alums:
GM - Sean Marks
Coaches - Tiago Splitter, Ime Udoka, Jacque Vaughn

Their uniforms are homages (rip-offs?) To the Spurs silver and black.

Most importantly they should accomplish what matters most and that's to keep LA from winning a championship. The fact that Jersey has three top 10 players, Joe Harris, and the Griffen, Aldridge former franchise guys will not catapult any of these guys legacy. They'll be remembered the same as the Durant Warrirors teams - a ho-hum ring. But it will be good for a new fan base to get a title and especially in NYC area for the 1st time in 50 years.

Once the Gregg-Derozan 2021 campaign ends in late May, we can switch our vote to the lesser evil up in the Northeast.

If they ring, then 1) The Clippers Don't 2) The Lakers Don't and 3) The Knicks look even more pathetic in their own backyard. All good. Also, those 3 assisant coaces (Ime, Tiago and Jacque) are good guys. So I'd be fine with it.

[RC_Drunkford]

If the Spurs really wanted value for LA at the deadline, all they would’ve had to do was dump the ball into the post and let him go to work a.k.a. showcasing him

[mo7888]

If they ring, then 1) The Clippers Don't 2) The Lakers Don't and 3) The Knicks look even more pathetic in their own backyard. All good. Also, those 3 assisant coaces (Ime, Tiago and Jacque) are good guys. So I'd be fine with it.

Excellent points...

[ismael-robert]

Common sense points

[Cryptic Parable]

LMA's time in SAS was wasted and I blame Pop. His coming to the franchise should/could have been the catalyst for drawing interest from other potential stars in destination signing but I believe that was a bust. I didn't really enjoy LMA's time here as a whole but I hope he wins in Brooklyn

[The Truth #6]

If the Spurs really wanted value for LA at the deadline, all they would’ve had to do was dump the ball into the post and let him go to work a.k.a. showcasing him

In retrospect, it’s a good point. I’m trying to remember what was happening at that time… I guess we were actually winning and didn’t want to screw that up by playing him? Also, they we’re probably afraid to play him and have him look worse.

[PrimeMinister]

In retrospect, it’s a good point. I’m trying to remember what was happening at that time… I guess we were actually winning and didn’t want to screw that up by playing him? Also, they we’re probably afraid to play him and have him look worse.

He was getting run off the floor defensively every moment he was on the floor and the team had no time to set aside for 15 seconds of Aldridge post ups when at times his legs looked so shot he couldn’t even back down guards on the low block

I don’t doubt he was out of shape and dogging it to some degree but he definitely benefitted from the time off to get himself in actual condition to play nba games. Kinda sad for a 15 year vet in a contract year with no plans to retire but that’s Aldridge.

[ElNono]

You can absolutely hate nephew and Jax, but objectively speaking, both of those guys also did way, way more for this franchise than LMA ever has. They were both integral parts of championship teams and part of the reason Seattle will have some banners up there after the move.

LMA brought his loser attitude with him, and failed to ride both Duncan and Nephew to a title. Malik Rose did more for this franchise's legacy than this loser, tbh, at 1/4 of the talent and price...

[TD 21]

You can absolutely hate nephew and Jax, but objectively speaking, both of those guys also did way, way more for this franchise than LMA ever has. They were both integral parts of championship teams and part of the reason Seattle will have some banners up there after the move.

LMA brought his loser attitude with him, and failed to ride both Duncan and Nephew to a title. Malik Rose did more for this franchise's legacy than this loser, tbh, at 1/4 of the talent and price...

Remind me again when he was put in position to do what they did? They were role players on teams that were clearly championship material (not really in '03, but Duncan singlehandedly made them so). He was a star on one team that was kind of, sort of championship material, then mostly carried them through a transitional period.

His "loser attitude" has amounted to his teams basically maxing out or exceeding expectations virtually his entire career. Unfortunately for him, he hasn't lived the charmed existence in this league that Scumbag's affluenza ass has.

[daslicer]

You can absolutely hate nephew and Jax, but objectively speaking, both of those guys also did way, way more for this franchise than LMA ever has. They were both integral parts of championship teams and part of the reason Seattle will have some banners up there after the move.

LMA brought his loser attitude with him, and failed to ride both Duncan and Nephew to a title. Malik Rose did more for this franchise's legacy than this loser, tbh, at 1/4 of the talent and price...

Kawhi choked in '16 and then Zaza took him out in '17 so LMA never got the chance to ride Kawhi. Can't compare LMA to Jax. Jax was a good role player that benefited from playing with peak Duncan in '03. Prime Jax would have lead the Spurs to multiple lottery appearances if he switched places with LMA from '17-'19. You are trying hard to justify your hate for LMA but it's ok to just admit that you just hate him without any logical reasoning.

[The Truth #6]

He was getting run off the floor defensively every moment he was on the floor and the team had no time to set aside for 15 seconds of Aldridge post ups when at times his legs looked so shot he couldn’t even back down guards on the low block

I don’t doubt he was out of shape and dogging it to some degree but he definitely benefitted from the time off to get himself in actual condition to play nba games. Kinda sad for a 15 year vet in a contract year with no plans to retire but that’s Aldridge.

+1

[ElNono]

Remind me again when he was put in position to do what they did? They were role players on teams that were clearly championship material (not really in '03, but Duncan singlehandedly made them so). He was a star on one team that was kind of, sort of championship material, then mostly carried them through a transitional period.
His "loser attitude" has amounted to his teams basically maxing out or exceeding expectations virtually his entire career. Unfortunately for him, he hasn't lived the charmed existence in this league that Scumbag's affluenza ass has.


Kawhi choked in '16 and then Zaza took him out in '17 so LMA never got the chance to ride Kawhi. Can't compare LMA to Jax. Jax was a good role player that benefited from playing with peak Duncan in '03. Prime Jax would have lead the Spurs to multiple lottery appearances if he switched places with LMA from '17-'19. You are trying hard to justify your hate for LMA but it's ok to just admit that you just hate him without any logical reasoning.

This is bullshit, he had Kawhi before the injuries and TD at the tail end but coming from back to back finals, all he had to do was get out of the way. What do you mean he wasn't put in position to win a ring?

Instead he started bitching about "muh touches", what his role was, how he'd like to go back to Portland. It's not like he even left money on the table for the team to improve. Kawhi dragged fucking Kyle Lowry and a very modest Toronto team to a championship the very next year he left.

Even in Portland, have you seen him ever pissed off about losing a game? TD, who was the ultimate chill guy and well past his prime, rolled out his big dick in '14 and said straight to the camera "we're getting it this year", and we did. LMA doesn't care.

So Zaza took out Kawhi, ok, and where was LMA? Where was that guy that elevates his game when a teammate goes down? Did we even put up a fight in that series once Kawhi went down? We looked like the Bobcats. LMA curled in fetal position and started booking his vacation.

Heck, that same playoffs, if Manu doesn't bail his sorry ass against the Rockets with that block on Harden after Kawhi went down, I don't even know if we're even talking about Zaza.

What's even worse is the Spurs waited until he was 35 years old to let him go chase a ring instead of ejecting him while he still had some trade value. He's the big man version of Carmelo Anthony, tbh, supremely talented but absolutely loser attitude. All about himself.

And this is not even revisionist history, I'm basically repeating what I said back when we signed him. I've been calling him Carmelo Aldrige since those days, it absolutely sucks I was completely correct about this guy.

[DeRozan m8]

This is bullshit, he had Kawhi before the injuries and TD at the tail end but coming from back to back finals, all he had to do was get out of the way. What do you mean he wasn't put in position to win a ring?

Instead he started bitching about "muh touches", what his role was, how he'd like to go back to Portland. It's not like he even left money on the table for the team to improve. Kawhi dragged fucking Kyle Lowry and a very modest Toronto team to a championship the very next year he left.

Even in Portland, have you seen him ever pissed off about losing a game? TD, who was the ultimate chill guy and well past his prime, rolled out his big dick in '14 and said straight to the camera "we're getting it this year", and we did. LMA doesn't care.

So Zaza took out Kawhi, ok, and where was LMA? Where was that guy that elevates his game when a teammate goes down? Did we even put up a fight in that series once Kawhi went down? We looked like the Bobcats. LMA curled in fetal position and started booking his vacation.

Heck, that same playoffs, if Manu doesn't bail his sorry ass against the Rockets with that block on Harden after Kawhi went down, I don't even know if we're even talking about Zaza.

What's even worse is the Spurs waited until he was 35 years old to let him go chase a ring instead of ejecting him while he still had some trade value. He's the big man version of Carmelo Anthony, tbh, supremely talented but absolutely loser attitude. All about himself.

And this is not even revisionist history, I'm basically repeating what I said back when we signed him. I've been calling him Carmelo Aldrige since those days, it absolutely sucks I was completely correct about this guy.

Jesus christ I've never read so much truth in my life.

It's so nice to see someone who actually has a memory of events, big events too.

This guy was a diva and quitter...there's no rose colored glasses with him.

The way he quit when Zaza happened was so God damn pathetic for a player earning that sort of money.

And also 'ma touches' was what should have got that b1tch sent packing by our FO....

Then again, put himself over the team when he was too garbage to play as a starter...
Didn't work harder to fix it, just pouted and quit on us all like an absolute little bitch

The way he now ran to get carried to the easiest ring possible just sums up everything this entitled, weak cunt is

[daslicer]

You can absolutely hate nephew and Jax, but objectively speaking, both of those guys also did way, way more for this franchise than LMA ever has. They were both integral parts of championship teams and part of the reason Seattle will have some banners up there after the move.

LMA brought his loser attitude with him, and failed to ride both Duncan and Nephew to a title. Malik Rose did more for this franchise's legacy than this loser, tbh, at 1/4 of the talent and price..


1This is bullshit, he had Kawhi before the injuries and TD at the tail end but coming from back to back finals, all he had to do was get out of the way. What do you mean he wasn't put in position to win a ring?

2Instead he started bitching about "muh touches", what his role was, how he'd like to go back to Portland. It's not like he even left money on the table for the team to improve. Kawhi dragged fucking Kyle Lowry and a very modest Toronto team to a championship the very next year he left.

Even in Portland, have you seen him ever pissed off about losing a game? TD, who was the ultimate chill guy and well past his prime, rolled out his big dick in '14 and said straight to the camera "we're getting it this year", and we did. LMA doesn't care.

3.So Zaza took out Kawhi, ok, and where was LMA? Where was that guy that elevates his game when a teammate goes down? Did we even put up a fight in that series once Kawhi went down? We looked like the Bobcats. LMA curled in fetal position and started booking his vacation.

4. Heck, that same playoffs, if Manu doesn't bail his sorry ass against the Rockets with that block on Harden after Kawhi went down, I don't even know if we're even talking about Zaza.

5. What's even worse is the Spurs waited until he was 35 years old to let him go chase a ring instead of ejecting him while he still had some trade value. He's the big man version of Carmelo Anthony, tbh, supremely talented but absolutely loser attitude. All about himself.

And this is not even revisionist history, I'm basically repeating what I said back when we signed him. I've been calling him Carmelo Aldrige since those days, it absolutely sucks I was completely correct about this guy.


Your original post said LMA could have rode Duncan and Kawhi to a title. When I countered by saying Kawhi choked in '16 and he wasn't available in '17 due to Zaza you went into deflection mode and spewed your hatred for LMA. Your second post makes no sense since it goes away from the original argument. I'm still going to address your idiocy in the second post.

1. He did get out of the way. His scoring dropped drastically during his two year stretch playing with Kawhi. TD also became a cripple during the playoffs. Kawhi could have easily won the Thunder series for the Spurs but he disappeared in 3 games during that series which all resulted in losses. The most telling game was game 6 where both LMA and TD had good games but Kawhi was complete garbage. If Kawhi shows up in that game then the Spurs would have gotten a game 7 and won the series.

2. Like I said before his scoring went down in SA during his 2 years with Kawhi. You can say he bitched about his touches but he was a team player and could have pulled a Kobe and decided to get his touches anyways but he didn't. He could have easily rebelled and caused dysfunction in the locker room but he didn't. You have to grow up and accept that 99 percent NBA players that are all-star caliber don't want to sacrifice their scoring. Not even the Warriors when they had their big 3 of Klay-Curry-Durant were willing to sacrifice scoring hence why Kerr played them in garbage time to get their stats. TD,Manu,Tony were the exceptions to the rule. That's never ever going to happen again. Pop also lied to him that he would be a 20 point scorer when recruiting him. So a lot of it is on Pop for not being truthful. It could have saved us the drama since LMA would have then not signed with the Spurs.

3. I don't care that he quit in that series. There was no chance of winning that series once Kawhi was out and you know it. It happens to even the greats from time to time that they check out of a series that they feel is not winnable. How many times did we see Lebron quit a series? It happened a few times early on when he was with the Cavs during his first stint and then he had that embarrassing moment in '11 where he quit against the Mavs. Duncan also had his moment of giving up when he did quit against the Lakers after going down 0-2 in '01. Duncan didn't show up the next two games in LA and was broken. Also I'm not saying he's on the same levels as Lebron,Duncan just to clarify that up with you.

4. Manu was instrumental in winning game 5 but the Spurs don't win game 6 without Lamarcus 34 points on 61 percent shooting and his 12 rebound. If the Spurs lose game 6 they probably lose the series. Manu was also dogshit in that game 6 getting only 2 points on 20 percent shooting. Like always you have Manu's dick up your mouth.

5. Confirming that you hated LMA from day 1 and were determined to hate LMA no matter what. I actually give spur fans a pass for hating him if they hated him because he came into camp out of shape which I did believe was unprofessional but your reasons having nothing to do with it. You are the equivalent of that idiotic racist that tries to find reasons to justify his racism. With that being said I do believe the Spurs should have traded him 2 years ago while his value was still high.

[DeRozan m8]

BTW he started today and got toweled up by the fucking Bulls hahah

-12 and 3 rebounds plus the L

3 rebounds for a centre who can't even shoot the 3 ball much or do anything athletic really

[Ice009]

3. I don't care that he quit in that series. There was no chance of winning that series once Kawhi was out and you know it. It happens to even the greats from time to time that they check out of a series that they feel is not winnable. How many times did we see Lebron quit a series? It happened a few times early on when he was with the Cavs during his first stint and then he had that embarrassing moment in '11 where he quit against the Mavs. Duncan also had his moment of giving up when he did quit against the Lakers after going down 0-2 in '01. Duncan didn't show up the next two games in LA and was broken. Also I'm not saying he's on the same levels as Lebron,Duncan just to clarify that up with you.


I don't disagree with this at all, but I just want to stick up for TD a little bit here. Tim did everything he could do to win games 1 and 2 for the Spurs in the '01 series, but the Spurs just fell short. It was such a tall task missing Derek Anderson who was either the Spurs 2nd or 3rd best player that whole year (I don't know if you guys considered him the 2nd or 3rd best player on the team? I am also not sure how limited he was coming back from the separated shoulder as I didn't have access to watch the games, just followed them online live and live chat info from people watching). Anyway, The Lakers confidence would have been sky high going home after taking two in SA in what was billed as one of the biggest series ever before game 1 started, so I don't blame Tim for packing it in at that point. He had a pretty darn good game 1 and 2, and really didn't have a lot of help offensively that whole series. I think it was a little different there.

Going to the '17 series, LMA didn't play well in any of the Spurs' games in the Warriors series. Maybe because the series started on the road, it was harder for him to get going, but I at least expected huge games from him at home. IMO Manu tried hardest on the team to win a game for the Spurs. LMA was the best equipped to do so, though, but he was unable to get anything going/done in that Warriors series. I don't blame him for checking out after Kawhi went out, but I wonder if he could have given much better effort throughout that series to at least win a single game.

[TD 21]

This is bullshit, he had Kawhi before the injuries and TD at the tail end but coming from back to back finals, all he had to do was get out of the way. What do you mean he wasn't put in position to win a ring?

Instead he started bitching about "muh touches", what his role was, how he'd like to go back to Portland. It's not like he even left money on the table for the team to improve. Kawhi dragged fucking Kyle Lowry and a very modest Toronto team to a championship the very next year he left.

Even in Portland, have you seen him ever pissed off about losing a game? TD, who was the ultimate chill guy and well past his prime, rolled out his big dick in '14 and said straight to the camera "we're getting it this year", and we did. LMA doesn't care.

So Zaza took out Kawhi, ok, and where was LMA? Where was that guy that elevates his game when a teammate goes down? Did we even put up a fight in that series once Kawhi went down? We looked like the Bobcats. LMA curled in fetal position and started booking his vacation.

Heck, that same playoffs, if Manu doesn't bail his sorry ass against the Rockets with that block on Harden after Kawhi went down, I don't even know if we're even talking about Zaza.

What's even worse is the Spurs waited until he was 35 years old to let him go chase a ring instead of ejecting him while he still had some trade value. He's the big man version of Carmelo Anthony, tbh, supremely talented but absolutely loser attitude. All about himself.

And this is not even revisionist history, I'm basically repeating what I said back when we signed him. I've been calling him Carmelo Aldrige since those days, it absolutely sucks I was completely correct about this guy.

:lmao He had one complete playoff run with Scumbag, who underwhelmed during it, then quit during the following one because of a routine ankle injury. Duncan was unfortunately finished the season he arrived.

:lmao Scumbag rested 95 games over 2 seasons, then unwittingly ended up on an iteration of a team that became the league's most complete (top 15 regular season player, tons of 3 and D, secondary creation, size, athleticism, experience, continuity and unmatched urgency given that they knew they had one chance with him) and would have never formed had he not intentionally tanked his value, then had the best team in the league become decimated by injury in the Finals.

:lmao Judging his give a shit level by outward emotion and thinking he had any chance against an unfair team, who with the rules of this era could essentially zone him before he caught the ball, play off of various non shooters and take advantage of the closest thing to a reliable creator being a pushing 40 year old.

He was obviously terrible during '16-'17, but had a heart ailment that prevented him from being in tip top shape entering it, which the genius president/coach neglected to mention until after the season, while his reputation nationally took a beating that it never recovered from.

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If the Spurs really wanted value for LA at the deadline, all they would’ve had to do was dump the ball into the post and let him go to work a.k.a. showcasing him

You know everyone and their mother bitched that he slowed the game down and was the reason we were getting outscored because he was getting beat on the perimeter.

The reality is we've been getting housed without him. The lane is almost always wide open. He clearly lost a step on perimeter D but was still a very real presence inside. And his primary responsibility isn't perimeter defense anyway.

This has been therapeutic for me to see all these LMA haters having their shit pushed in because everything they said was going to happen has not.

[RD2191]

This is bullshit, he had Kawhi before the injuries and TD at the tail end but coming from back to back finals, all he had to do was get out of the way. What do you mean he wasn't put in position to win a ring?

Instead he started bitching about "muh touches", what his role was, how he'd like to go back to Portland. It's not like he even left money on the table for the team to improve. Kawhi dragged fucking Kyle Lowry and a very modest Toronto team to a championship the very next year he left.

Even in Portland, have you seen him ever pissed off about losing a game? TD, who was the ultimate chill guy and well past his prime, rolled out his big dick in '14 and said straight to the camera "we're getting it this year", and we did. LMA doesn't care.

So Zaza took out Kawhi, ok, and where was LMA? Where was that guy that elevates his game when a teammate goes down? Did we even put up a fight in that series once Kawhi went down? We looked like the Bobcats. LMA curled in fetal position and started booking his vacation.

Heck, that same playoffs, if Manu doesn't bail his sorry ass against the Rockets with that block on Harden after Kawhi went down, I don't even know if we're even talking about Zaza.

What's even worse is the Spurs waited until he was 35 years old to let him go chase a ring instead of ejecting him while he still had some trade value. He's the big man version of Carmelo Anthony, tbh, supremely talented but absolutely loser attitude. All about himself.

And this is not even revisionist history, I'm basically repeating what I said back when we signed him. I've been calling him Carmelo Aldrige since those days, it absolutely sucks I was completely correct about this guy.
Great post tbh

[Ice009]

Some pretty good takes from different perspectives and angles when you're not looking at it from a biased point of view. I mean, I've probably been too harsh on him myself. It's good to read these takes/perspectives.

[ElNono]

Your original post said LMA could have rode Duncan and Kawhi to a title. When I countered by saying Kawhi choked in '16 and he wasn't available in '17 due to Zaza you went into deflection mode and spewed your hatred for LMA. Your second post makes no sense since it goes away from the original argument. I'm still going to address your idiocy in the second post.

Well, guess what? We're not talking Kawhi, we're talking LMA, so if there's somebody that's been deflecting from the get go is you not me.


1. He did get out of the way. His scoring dropped drastically during his two year stretch playing with Kawhi. TD also became a cripple during the playoffs. Kawhi could have easily won the Thunder series for the Spurs but he disappeared in 3 games during that series which all resulted in losses. The most telling game was game 6 where both LMA and TD had good games but Kawhi was complete garbage. If Kawhi shows up in that game then the Spurs would have gotten a game 7 and won the series.

No he didn't get out of the way. He took the most shots for that entire series. He was full on 4 more 2PA than the second guy (nephew) for the entire playoff run. I dare you go look it up and tell me I'm wrong. Don't give me revisionist history.

And back to deflecting to nephew and giving this guy a pass. This guy was the big addition in the offseason that was going to put us over the top. I get that nephew was bitchmade, but that doesn't mean giving this loser a pass.


2. Like I said before his scoring went down in SA during his 2 years with Kawhi. You can say he bitched about his touches but he was a team player and could have pulled a Kobe and decided to get his touches anyways but he didn't. He could have easily rebelled and caused dysfunction in the locker room but he didn't. You have to grow up and accept that 99 percent NBA players that are all-star caliber don't want to sacrifice their scoring. Not even the Warriors when they had their big 3 of Klay-Curry-Durant were willing to sacrifice scoring hence why Kerr played them in garbage time to get their stats. TD,Manu,Tony were the exceptions to the rule. That's never ever going to happen again. Pop also lied to him that he would be a 20 point scorer when recruiting him. So a lot of it is on Pop for not being truthful. It could have saved us the drama since LMA would have then not signed with the Spurs.

Go look up the 15-16 playoffs. He took the most fucking shots in the playoffs by a mile. More than nephew, more than Duncan.

I get that a lot of players are prima-donnas, LMA included. But that's exactly why this loser now has to go beg/chase for a ring elsewhere. And I have every right to point it out.


3. I don't care that he quit in that series. There was no chance of winning that series once Kawhi was out and you know it. It happens to even the greats from time to time that they check out of a series that they feel is not winnable. How many times did we see Lebron quit a series? It happened a few times early on when he was with the Cavs during his first stint and then he had that embarrassing moment in '11 where he quit against the Mavs. Duncan also had his moment of giving up when he did quit against the Lakers after going down 0-2 in '01. Duncan didn't show up the next two games in LA and was broken. Also I'm not saying he's on the same levels as Lebron,Duncan just to clarify that up with you.

It wouldn't been nice to show some fight, and at least that you care. I get that he was never in the mold of the big 3. Which is exactly why this team stuck too long with this loser.


4. Manu was instrumental in winning game 5 but the Spurs don't win game 6 without Lamarcus 34 points on 61 percent shooting and his 12 rebound. If the Spurs lose game 6 they probably lose the series. Manu was also dogshit in that game 6 getting only 2 points on 20 percent shooting. Like always you have Manu's dick up your mouth.

We can all play that game. If the Spurs lose that game 5 at home they probably lose the series as well. See how easy it is? Now you're trying to deflect to Manu, and I'm not going to bite. The point is that this guy had to be constantly bailed out or carried, because he never owned the role he was supposed to have.

I see the constant bitching and deflection about Zaza (some of it is fair), but I want to make sure people don't forget that LMA was ready to fold in the previous series as well.


5. Confirming that you hated LMA from day 1 and were determined to hate LMA no matter what. I actually give spur fans a pass for hating him if they hated him because he came into camp out of shape which I did believe was unprofessional but your reasons having nothing to do with it. You are the equivalent of that idiotic racist that tries to find reasons to justify his racism. With that being said I do believe the Spurs should have traded him 2 years ago while his value was still high.

Sorry, got spoiled with the big 3, actual winners that understood what was to sacrifice to win, and made sure you knew they were going to fight for it.

You keep deflecting to racism and what not (I have a few posts here in case you didn't notice, people know who I am), what you can't spin is this loser came and went just like we thought he would: empty handed.

[daslicer]

I don't disagree with this at all, but I just want to stick up for TD a little bit here. Tim did everything he could do to win games 1 and 2 for the Spurs in the '01 series, but the Spurs just fell short. It was such a tall task missing Derek Anderson who was either the Spurs 2nd or 3rd best player that whole year (I don't know if you guys considered him the 2nd or 3rd best player on the team? I am also not sure how limited he was coming back from the separated shoulder as I didn't have access to watch the games, just followed them online live and live chat info from people watching). Anyway, The Lakers confidence would have been sky high going home after taking two in SA in what was billed as one of the biggest series ever before game 1 started, so I don't blame Tim for packing it in at that point. He had a pretty darn good game 1 and 2, and really didn't have a lot of help offensively that whole series. I think it was a little different there.

Going to the '17 series, LMA didn't play well in any of the Spurs' games in the Warriors series. Maybe because the series started on the road, it was harder for him to get going, but I at least expected huge games from him at home. IMO Manu tried hardest on the team to win a game for the Spurs. LMA was the best equipped to do so, though, but he was unable to get anything going/done in that Warriors series. I don't blame him for checking out after Kawhi went out, but I wonder if he could have given much better effort throughout that series to at least win a single game.

1. I remember the series with Lakers really well since I was a senior in hschool. I don't blame Tim for quitting after the first two games since he gave it his all and it still wasn't good enough to beat the Lakers which definitely wasn't his fault since the team didn't have the talent especially with Derek being injured. With that being said I do remember Tim giving up after those first two games because he was complete trash the next two games and it had nothing to do with the Lakers defense. He just checked out which I still don't blame him for. It has to be a mindfuck to give your all the first two games and still lose especially when you have the best playoff game of your career and still lose. Tim learned from that series and became mentally tougher the next year and nearly took out the Lakers in '02. I remember Tim being embarrassed from that series because he did say in the '02 series that he wasn't going to go down this time without a fight.

2. Lamarcus was good the first game against the Warriors. That game was the first time I had seen Kawhi and Lamarcus play good together at the same time in the playoffs. It seemed like they had finally figured out how to play with each other. They were running plays for each other and it kind of reminded me of the synergy Kobe-Shaq had when they played against the Spurs in game 1 in '01. I felt we were heading for the biggest upset of all time up until Zaza took it away from us. Once Zaza took out Kawhi the team quit because they knew the series was over. Also Pop really didn't have any fight in him in that series. Pop's stupid ass didn't even bother to call out Zaza for his cheap shot. I remember him first saying it wasn't a dirty play and then the dip shit acknowledging it a few days later it was dirty. By then it was too late and I felt Lamarcus and some guys on the team felt why the fuck should we fight hard to win 1 game when our coach isn't fighting hard enough for us. You better believe if Kerr,Riley,Phil jackson was in that situation they wouldn't have let up on Zaza and would have called him out from the beginning along with getting him suspended.

3. Winning 1 game against the Warriors without Kawhi was impossible the way they were set up. This Warriors team only got 1 loss in the whole entire playoffs and it took Lebron and the Cavs a team that is more talented than the Kawhi-less Spurs playing out of their ass to get that game.

[ElNono]

:lmao He had one complete playoff run with Scumbag, who underwhelmed during it, then quit during the following one because of a routine ankle injury. Duncan was unfortunately finished the season he arrived.

Yet, he was the big addition. He never embraced it. Here we go putting on Kawhi a responsibility that was largely shared.

I get the hate for Scumbag, but that shouldn't give this guy a pass. Agree about Duncan though, wheels fell off, but he did put a valiant effort.


:lmao Scumbag rested 95 games over 2 seasons, then unwittingly ended up on an iteration of a team that became the league's most complete (top 15 regular season player, tons of 3 and D, secondary creation, size, athleticism, experience, continuity and unmatched urgency given that they knew they had one chance with him) and would have never formed had he not intentionally tanked his value, then had the best team in the league become decimated by injury in the Finals.

You mean the team that never won anything before or or since he left? That team?

Look I don't like nephew anymore than you do, but pretending that he wasn't integral to two championship runs is just being silly, tbh.


:lmao Judging his give a shit level by outward emotion and thinking he had any chance against an unfair team, who with the rules of this era could essentially zone him before he caught the ball, play off of various non shooters and take advantage of the closest thing to a reliable creator being a pushing 40 year old.

I agree with you about being the wrong guy at the wrong time. I don't know what Pop was thinking building big when the whole league was going small, and I'm not pinning that on LMA.


He was obviously terrible during '16-'17, but had a heart ailment that prevented him from being in tip top shape entering it, which the genius president/coach neglected to mention until after the season, while his reputation nationally took a beating that it never recovered from.

There's another discussion to be had on why we kept him for as long as we did, that's not on him. Don't want to be told I'm deflecting...

[ElNono]

I don't disagree with this at all, but I just want to stick up for TD a little bit here. Tim did everything he could do to win games 1 and 2 for the Spurs in the '01 series, but the Spurs just fell short. It was such a tall task missing Derek Anderson who was either the Spurs 2nd or 3rd best player that whole year (I don't know if you guys considered him the 2nd or 3rd best player on the team? I am also not sure how limited he was coming back from the separated shoulder as I didn't have access to watch the games, just followed them online live and live chat info from people watching). Anyway, The Lakers confidence would have been sky high going home after taking two in SA in what was billed as one of the biggest series ever before game 1 started, so I don't blame Tim for packing it in at that point. He had a pretty darn good game 1 and 2, and really didn't have a lot of help offensively that whole series. I think it was a little different there.

Going to the '17 series, LMA didn't play well in any of the Spurs' games in the Warriors series. Maybe because the series started on the road, it was harder for him to get going, but I at least expected huge games from him at home. IMO Manu tried hardest on the team to win a game for the Spurs. LMA was the best equipped to do so, though, but he was unable to get anything going/done in that Warriors series. I don't blame him for checking out after Kawhi went out, but I wonder if he could have given much better effort throughout that series to at least win a single game.

Fuck, TD battled on a bum knee to the bitter end.

[DeRozan m8]

You know everyone and their mother bitched that he slowed the game down and was the reason we were getting outscored because he was getting beat on the perimeter.

The reality is we've been getting housed without him. The lane is almost always wide open. He clearly lost a step on perimeter D but was still a very real presence inside. And his primary responsibility isn't perimeter defense anyway.

This has been therapeutic for me to see all these LMA haters having their shit pushed in because everything they said was going to happen has not.

Lma is a little bitch and quit on us...why are you being such a cuck?

He quit on you too...yet here you are sucking his cock.

Stfu

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Lma is a little bitch and quit on us...why are you being such a cuck?

He quit on you too...yet here you are sucking his cock.

Stfu

He didn't quit on us. He was being sent to the bench and read his rites. Pop and company were taking him out of the end of games and every half ass spur fan was bitching he needed to either traded or benched for Jacob so they could push the tempo?

Quit taking twos, they say. Make more threes they say. Why doesn't he shoot more threes, they say? Why does LMA only have two shots that half they say? He's not asserting himself they say. Holy shit, so many of you are fucking schizophrenic or psychotic or both.

Lmao.

LMA said ok, my style doesn't fit what either the coaches or fans want, let me get out to another opportunity, be a good teammate in the interim, give back gobs of cash so the Spurs can have some flexibility. Etc.

He handled this exactly as he should and good for him. Hope he rangs.

EABOD, capische?

[daslicer]

Well, guess what? We're not talking Kawhi, we're talking LMA, so if there's somebody that's been deflecting from the get go is you not me.



No he didn't get out of the way. He took the most shots for that entire series. He was full on 4 more 2PA than the second guy (nephew) for the entire playoff run. I dare you go look it up and tell me I'm wrong. Don't give me revisionist history.

And back to deflecting to nephew and giving this guy a pass. This guy was the big addition in the offseason that was going to put us over the top. I get that nephew was bitchmade, but that doesn't mean giving this loser a pass.



Go look up the 15-16 playoffs. He took the most fucking shots in the playoffs by a mile. More than nephew, more than Duncan.

I get that a lot of players are prima-donnas, LMA included. But that's exactly why this loser now has to go beg/chase for a ring elsewhere. And I have every right to point it out.



It wouldn't been nice to show some fight, and at least that you care. I get that he was never in the mold of the big 3. Which is exactly why this team stuck too long with this loser.



We can all play that game. If the Spurs lose that game 5 at home they probably lose the series as well. See how easy it is? Now you're trying to deflect to Manu, and I'm not going to bite. The point is that this guy had to be constantly bailed out or carried, because he never owned the role he was supposed to have.

I see the constant bitching and deflection about Zaza (some of it is fair), but I want to make sure people don't forget that LMA was ready to fold in the previous series as well.



Sorry, got spoiled with the big 3, actual winners that understood what was to sacrifice to win, and made sure you knew they were going to fight for it.

You keep deflecting to racism and what not (I have a few posts here in case you didn't notice, people know who I am), what you can't spin is this loser came and went just like we thought he would: empty handed.

You are the one that brought up Kawhi in the first place when you said in your own words Lamarcus could have rode Kawhi. It's clear you are the one deflecting.

1. You want to keep screaming Lamarcus took the most shots in that series fine and that's great selective accounting. You don't factor in most of his shots came in the first two games where he shot 33/44 which was 75 percent and average 39.5 points. Kawhi took the most shot attempts in games 4-6. If we are being honest I have said this in many posts prior going all the way back to the '16 series if you want to dig up my old posts which was both LMA and Kawhi choked in the series against the Thunder. Kawhi in games 2,4,6, and Lamarcus in games 4 and 5.

2. I don't even know why you get angry about LMA taking more shots than Tim during the playoff run. Tim is my favorite player of all time but he was washed up in the playoffs. He was just that bad. It was painful to watch him struggle to run up and down the court. Also the Spurs swept the Grizzlies that year with Lamarcus taking the most shots. It really comes down to the Thunder series when we debate this and I have already given you my answer above.

3. Yeah I really didn't care about him quitting since I mentally checked out of that series as a fan once Kawhi got taken out by Zaza. I didn't even bother to watch any of the games after game 1. Pop showed to me he didn't give shit when he refused to call out the Warriors dirty hatchet job of using Zaza right after game 1.

4 Yeah I know you are not going to bite since you have Manu's dick shoved hard in your mouth. Going by your logic we can also say Robert Horry,Fisher have bailed out Shaq,Duncan,Kobe during the playoffs when they had bad games by hitting clutch shots. It still doesn't take away that those 3 guys were the main reason why their teams won the series. Manu was just good role player in that series but good role players can't carry stars. Lamarcus' numbers in the Rockets series was better than his regular season numbers so I really don't know what else you wanted from him. Hell he even deferred to Kawhi like you wanted since Kawhi had the most FGA attempts the first 5 games of that series. Just like a woman you can't be happy even when you get what you want.

5. I appreciated the big 3 and never took them for granted. I enjoyed them as much as I could knowing it was a once in a lifetime deal to have 3 star players who cared about winning over stats. Unfortunately those type of players are a needle in haystack. Currently in the league I believe only Jokic fits that mold and maybe Giannis but we'll see.

[daslicer]

He didn't quit on us. He was being sent to the bench and read his rites. Pop and company were taking him out of the end of games and every half ass spur fan was bitching he needed to either traded or benched for Jacob so they could push the tempo?

Quit taking twos, they say. Make more threes they say. Why doesn't he shoot more threes, they say? Why does LMA only have two shots that half they say? He's not asserting himself they say. Holy shit, so many of you are fucking schizophrenic or psychotic or both.

Lmao.

LMA said ok, my style doesn't fit what either the coaches or fans want, let me get out to another opportunity, be a good teammate in the interim, give back gobs of cash so the Spurs can have some flexibility. Etc.

He handled this exactly as he should and good for him. Hope he rangs.

EABOD, capische?

He was going to get hated by these people simply because he could never measure up to Tim Duncan which very few will ever measure up to in this game. I have been given the advice "Never walk into a situation trying to fill in the shoes of a great man because you will be judged unfairly against that man's legacy." Lamarcus made that mistake by coming to the Spurs.

[daslicer]

Lma is a little bitch and quit on us...why are you being such a cuck?

He quit on you too...yet here you are sucking his cock.

Stfu

I always pride myself in not being a hypocrite so I can't be upset at Lamarcus quitting this year. I would have quit to if I had to play for a senile 100 year old coach who has an ego the size of a mountain. Who constantly makes stupid game time decisions along with line ups that don't make sense. It's like working a job where your superiors are dumb and incompetent along with the work environment being toxic. Chances are you going to be looking for a new job on the side and once you get that job you will quit.

[ElNono]

You are the one that brought up Kawhi in the first place when you said in your own words Lamarcus could have rode Kawhi. It's clear you are the one deflecting.

Hey, I'm not the one using Kawhi as an excuse to give this guy a pass.


1. You want to keep screaming Lamarcus took the most shots in that series fine and that's great selective accounting. You don't factor in most of his shots came in the first two games where he shot 33/44 which was 75 percent and average 39.5 points. Kawhi took the most shot attempts in games 4-6. If we are being honest I have said this in many posts prior going all the way back to the '16 series if you want to dig up my old posts which was both LMA and Kawhi choked in the series against the Thunder. Kawhi in games 2,4,6, and Lamarcus in games 4 and 5.

I'm simply responding to the argument that he got out of the way. Not only he did not, he turned around and demanded a bigger role.


2. I don't even know why you get angry about LMA taking more shots than Tim during the playoff run. Tim is my favorite player of all time but he was washed up in the playoffs. He was just that bad. It was painful to watch him struggle to run up and down the court. Also the Spurs swept the Grizzlies that year with Lamarcus taking the most shots. It really comes down to the Thunder series when we debate this and I have already given you my answer above.

That was a fair answer, and I don't necessarily disagree with it. I think nephew douchebaggery does overshadow LMA's chokes, and that's just not right, IMVHO.


3. Yeah I really didn't care about him quitting since I mentally checked out of that series as a fan once Kawhi got taken out by Zaza. I didn't even bother to watch any of the games after game 1. Pop showed to me he didn't give shit when he refused to call out the Warriors dirty hatchet job of using Zaza right after game 1.

Turns out you weren't getting paid what he was getting paid, nor you had the role he had in that team, so cool story about your feels, but completely immaterial to the fact that he shriveled and quit, tbh.

Nothing personal, I'm ok with you quitting on the Spurs, I'm not ok with him quitting on the team.


4 Yeah I know you are not going to bite since you have Manu's dick shoved hard in your mouth. Going by your logic we can also say Robert Horry,Fisher have bailed out Shaq,Duncan,Kobe during the playoffs when they had bad games by hitting clutch shots. It still doesn't take away that those 3 guys were the main reason why their teams won the series. Manu was just good role player in that series but good role players can't carry stars. Lamarcus' numbers in the Rockets series was better than his regular season numbers so I really don't know what else you wanted from him. Hell he even deferred to Kawhi like you wanted since Kawhi had the most FGA attempts the first 5 games of that series. Just like a woman you can't be happy even when you get what you want.

You can drag Horry, Fisher, the whole '96 Bulls team if you want too (why not?), and still doesn't contradict a word I said. In the overtime for that game, LMA missed 2 freethrows, his only shot, and had two turnovers. He got bailed out by Danny Green and Manu. Again, demands bigger role, shrinks when it matters.

Demanded to be paid and have the role of a leader, never acted like one.


5. I appreciated the big 3 and never took them for granted. I enjoyed them as much as I could knowing it was a once in a lifetime deal to have 3 star players who cared about winning over stats. Unfortunately those type of players are a needle in haystack. Currently in the league I believe only Jokic fits that mold and maybe Giannis but we'll see.

Totally agree with that. I got spoiled, I admit it. Then again, that makes me reflect on divas like LMA. Don't forget he didn't start his act here on the Spurs. When he left Portland, shit like this was already being written:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/blazers/2015/07/04/why-lamarcus-aldridge-left-the-trail-blazers/29718151/

He always wanted to be presented as The Man, but he never assumed the responsibility that came with it.

[Slippy]

You know everyone and their mother bitched that he slowed the game down and was the reason we were getting outscored because he was getting beat on the perimeter.

The reality is we've been getting housed without him. The lane is almost always wide open. He clearly lost a step on perimeter D but was still a very real presence inside. And his primary responsibility isn't perimeter defense anyway.

This has been therapeutic for me to see all these LMA haters having their shit pushed in because everything they said was going to happen has not.

So true, been thinking this too . Thought Lamarcus out would solve our defensive problems.

Reality bites haha

[daslicer]

Hey, I'm not the one using Kawhi as an excuse to give this guy a pass.



I'm simply responding to the argument that he got out of the way. Not only he did not, he turned around and demanded a bigger role.



That was a fair answer, and I don't necessarily disagree with it. I think nephew douchebaggery does overshadow LMA's chokes, and that's just not right, IMVHO.



Turns out you weren't getting paid what he was getting paid, nor you had the role he had in that team, so cool story about your feels, but completely immaterial to the fact that he shriveled and quit, tbh.

Nothing personal, I'm ok with you quitting on the Spurs, I'm not ok with him quitting on the team.



You can drag Horry, Fisher, the whole '96 Bulls team if you want too (why not?), and still doesn't contradict a word I said. In the overtime for that game, LMA missed 2 freethrows, his only shot, and had two turnovers. He got bailed out by Danny Green and Manu. Again, demands bigger role, shrinks when it matters.

Demanded to be paid and have the role of a leader, never acted like one.



Totally agree with that. I got spoiled, I admit it. Then again, that makes me reflect on divas like LMA. Don't forget he didn't start his act here on the Spurs. When he left Portland, shit like this was already being written:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/blazers/2015/07/04/why-lamarcus-aldridge-left-the-trail-blazers/29718151/

He always wanted to be presented as The Man, but he never assumed the responsibility that came with it.

You brought up Kawhi in the first place. If you didn't want it to to about Kawhi you shouldn't have mentioned his name.

1. Fine if you are upset about LMA demanding more touches in the summer of '17.

2. Nothing to say here.

3. My feels? More like I knew the team was going to get their ass whooped every game without Kawhi. I rather be smart and not waste my time watching 2 hours of trash every night but hey I get you still being checked in that series since you are a hardcore Manutard. I more disappointing no one injured Curry,Klay,Durant after that Zaza hatchet job. I'm old school so I would have loved to see retaliation. I was fine with him quitting. He made up for it a year later against the Warriors. Either way Spurs were not winning that series.

4. Duncan missed a bunch of key free throws in game 5 against the Pistons and would have been labeled a choker if Horry didn't hit that 3. Your logic is just stupid. LMA showed up big for game 6 but that doesn't count in your eyes because of what happened in Game 5 proving that you are just a hater.

5. I remember that article and actually read it when it came out back in '15. Aldridge is definitely flawed and was jealous of Lillard. He was immature and didn't know what he wanted. When he got to be the man from '17-'19 he was pretty good in leading the Spurs to the playoffs. Only a Lebron,Durant,Harden,Jokic,Giannis level talent could have lead that Spurs team to a top seed. LMA is not on that level but he gave it his all during that 2 year stretch. I can't be unhappy about the results.

[DeRozan m8]

I always pride myself in not being a hypocrite so I can't be upset at Lamarcus quitting this year. I would have quit to if I had to play for a senile 100 year old coach who has an ego the size of a mountain. Who constantly makes stupid game time decisions along with line ups that don't make sense. It's like working a job where your superiors are dumb and incompetent along with the work environment being toxic. Chances are you going to be looking for a new job on the side and once you get that job you will quit.

If you are being paid over 20m per year, you suck it the fuck up.

THEN, when your contract is up, you do what you like.

Pop may have an ego, but LMAs was just as big.
He couldn't handle coming off the bench...which he wouldn't have had to, if he actually worked to earn the 20m he was being given.

Bad enough that he was wasting so much cap and not performing, even worse he quit on the team for being a failure.

With his track record of being a diva and quitter, and then the choice he made to run to the easiest, already over stacked team, for the easiest ring...I'm really not sure how anyone respects this guy.

[ElNono]

You brought up Kawhi in the first place. If you didn't want it to to about Kawhi you shouldn't have mentioned his name.

Of course I can mention his name in the context of bringing more hardware to this franchise than LMA. That's entirely factual, and as much as I hate nephew, it would be hard to argue we would have won in '14 if he wasn't there. He wasn't a bit player that year either.

Again, completely different than using nephew to excuse LMA.


3. My feels? More like I knew the team was going to get their ass whooped every game without Kawhi. I rather be smart and not waste my time watching 2 hours of trash every night but hey I get you still being checked in that series since you are a hardcore Manutard. I more disappointing no one injured Curry,Klay,Durant after that Zaza hatchet job. I'm old school so I would have loved to see retaliation. I was fine with him quitting. He made up for it a year later against the Warriors. Either way Spurs were not winning that series.

They're still your feelings, and that's ok. Completely irrelevant when it comes to LMA quitting on this team, but you're certainly entitled to your opinion.


4. Duncan missed a bunch of key free throws in game 5 against the Pistons and would have been labeled a choker if Horry didn't hit that 3. Your logic is just stupid. LMA showed up big for game 6 but that doesn't count in your eyes because of what happened in Game 5 proving that you are just a hater.

No he would not. He had two championships under his belt by that point, actually carrying his teams, something LMA never has done and will never do. There was absolutely no doubt who TD was at that point. Tim wasn't just demanding to be the leader, he fully embraced it. There's really no comparison between the two, tbh...


5. I remember that article and actually read it when it came out back in '15. Aldridge is definitely flawed and was jealous of Lillard. He was immature and didn't know what he wanted. When he got to be the man from '17-'19 he was pretty good in leading the Spurs to the playoffs. Only a Lebron,Durant,Harden,Jokic,Giannis level talent could have lead that Spurs team to a top seed. LMA is not on that level but he gave it his all during that 2 year stretch. I can't be unhappy about the results.

He's always been bitchmade. The Spurs sold 'culture and selflessness' and he was the complete antithesis of that. First season and he was already bitching about his touches.

I'm not going to say he's the reason this team is in shambles, there's more reasons than a single player for that.

Going back to my first post ITT, as much as people hate Jax or Nephew (I would even say rightly so), those guys were integral in hanging another banner up there. Jax draining bombs in '03 and Nephew was all over '14. LMA was never even close to that.

[ElNono]

He didn't quit on us. He was being sent to the bench and read his rites. Pop and company were taking him out of the end of games and every half ass spur fan was bitching he needed to either traded or benched for Jacob so they could push the tempo?

Quit taking twos, they say. Make more threes they say. Why doesn't he shoot more threes, they say? Why does LMA only have two shots that half they say? He's not asserting himself they say. Holy shit, so many of you are fucking schizophrenic or psychotic or both.

Lmao.

LMA said ok, my style doesn't fit what either the coaches or fans want, let me get out to another opportunity, be a good teammate in the interim, give back gobs of cash so the Spurs can have some flexibility. Etc.

He handled this exactly as he should and good for him. Hope he rangs.

EABOD, capische?

We all knew this by the 2nd or 3rd season he was here, tbh... yet, not only he rode out his contract but the Spurs also handsomely rewarded him with a fully guaranteed contract extension when they really didn't need to, but he certainly didn't mind signing.

He never really gave the Spurs a discount either until he got desperate with coattailing for a ring. So let's stop pretending this guy did the franchise any favors.

The LMA era, for a storied franchise like the Spurs, was simply an abject failure. That said, it's also true it's not all his fault, tbh. Despite demanding to be the man, it was clear he was never going to be more than a decent second banana, and the FO should've addressed that much earlier.

[timtonymanu]

offsetformation slurp slurp. What a cuck.

daslicer I got no issue with though. His points have been valid in here.

[TD 21]

Yet, he was the big addition. He never embraced it. Here we go putting on Kawhi a responsibility that was largely shared.

I get the hate for Scumbag, but that shouldn't give this guy a pass. Agree about Duncan though, wheels fell off, but he did put a valiant effort.



You mean the team that never won anything before or or since he left? That team?

Look I don't like nephew anymore than you do, but pretending that he wasn't integral to two championship runs is just being silly, tbh.



I agree with you about being the wrong guy at the wrong time. I don't know what Pop was thinking building big when the whole league was going small, and I'm not pinning that on LMA.



There's another discussion to be had on why we kept him for as long as we did, that's not on him. Don't want to be told I'm deflecting...

? He wanted the responsibility that came with being a "big addition". That was essentially what his complaints were after his second season. Granted, it was for personal accolades and not altruistic reasons, but still. Scumbag was a superstar and the one who underperformed in the playoffs.

Nah, I mean the team that was a perennial 50+ win team, with an emerging young core, that had a better record when Scumbag sat/left than with him. Obviously, they wouldn't have sniffed a (tainted) championship without him and the Warriors injuries, but let's not pretend they were mediocre. You just see the lack of another prototypical superstar and think the puke who's only ever won anything with pristine circumstances "carried them".

Aldridge was as good as the Spurs could do in free agency and a no brainer signing. Outside of a few glamour markets, you don't get to pick your stars.

[ElNono]

? He wanted the responsibility that came with being a "big addition". That was essentially what his complaints were after his second season. Granted, it was for personal accolades and not altruistic reasons, but still. Scumbag was a superstar and the one who underperformed in the playoffs.

He wanted to be The Man, period. He whined about his touches and role right after his first season. He just wanted to be the big ticket without putting in the work. Came from vacations fat, then whined about not being selected an All Star. It's all the same theme.


Nah, I mean the team that was a perennial 50+ win team, with an emerging young core, that had a better record when Scumbag sat/left than with him. Obviously, they wouldn't have sniffed a (tainted) championship without him and the Warriors injuries, but let's not pretend they were mediocre. You just see the lack of another prototypical superstar and think the puke who's only ever won anything with pristine circumstances "carried them".

I want to point out I didn't call Toronto mediocre, I call them modest. And that's what they were, on a Eastern conference where Lebron was the only real challenge, they were perennially hoping DeRozan would take them over the hump year after year and he couldn't. Nephew didn't have any trouble getting them to the Finals at least. The thing with injuries is that they're part of the game. Happened to us, happened to teams we played against. But you gotta be there in the first place to reap the benefits, and that's something Toronto were never able to do before Scumbag or since he left.


Aldridge was as good as the Spurs could do in free agency and a no brainer signing. Outside of a few glamour markets, you don't get to pick your stars.

I never argued he was a bad signing, I simply stated you sort of knew what you were getting. Portland tried to build around Aldrige and what they got in return was him getting jealous and leaving. Completely bitchmade.

The muh touches/muh role saga should've been a warning sign, and there was no reason for the Spurs to hold on to him after nephew left. Again, not all of this is his fault, but some of it is.

[TD 21]

He wanted to be The Man, period. He whined about his touches and role right after his first season. He just wanted to be the big ticket without putting in the work. Came from vacations fat, then whined about not being selected an All Star. It's all the same theme.



I want to point out I didn't call Toronto mediocre, I call them modest. And that's what they were, on a Eastern conference where Lebron was the only real challenge, they were perennially hoping DeRozan would take them over the hump year after year and he couldn't. Nephew didn't have any trouble getting them to the Finals at least. The thing with injuries is that they're part of the game. Happened to us, happened to teams we played against. But you gotta be there in the first place to reap the benefits, and that's something Toronto were never able to do before Scumbag or since he left.



I never argued he was a bad signing, I simply stated you sort of knew what you were getting. Portland tried to build around Aldrige and what they got in return was him getting jealous and leaving. Completely bitchmade.

The muh touches/muh role saga should've been a warning sign, and there was no reason for the Spurs to hold on to him after nephew left. Again, not all of this is his fault, but some of it is.

First he "didn't embrace it", now he "wanted to be The Man, period". Which one is it?

Scumbag didn't get the same Raptors DeRozan did. Their young players took a significant step forward, the Spurs gave them an additional 3 and D wing and the flexibility to shift Ibaka to his modern position and they acquired Gasol. He also never had to go through James or a remotely healthy Warriors, yet barely eked it out.

[Ice009]

I don't know why people call that Raptors championship a tainted one when the Warriors did nothing but face injured teams throughout their run. Sure the Raptors probably don't beat a healthy Warriors team (95% of us would say no way including me), but when people call the Warriors one of the best teams of all time when they either played injured teams, or never faced teams that were injured during their run, I don't see why they get a pass and the Raptors don't.

Their first Championship, the Clippers choked after beating the Spurs, and the Spurs had injuries to Splitter and Parker (if those two were healthy, I truly believe the Spurs would have been playing them in the WCF), and Cleveland was missing it's second best player in the finals. If the Spurs were healthy, they may not have even won that first one IMO.

Also, like previously mentioned, a lot of teams that have won it all deal with teams that have injuries that could have changed the series and they get passes, so why don't the Raptors? I believe the Raptors would have won it again if Kawhi stayed and solidified themselves as a legit team.

[daslicer]

I don't know why people call that Raptors championship a tainted one when the Warriors did nothing but face injured teams throughout their run. Sure the Raptors probably don't beat a healthy Warriors team (95% of us would say no way including me), but when people call the Warriors one of the best teams of all time when they either played injured teams, or never faced teams that were injured during their run, I don't see why they get a pass and the Raptors don't.

Their first Championship, the Clippers choked after beating the Spurs, and the Spurs had injuries to Splitter and Parker (if those two were healthy, I truly believe the Spurs would have been playing them in the WCF), and Cleveland was missing it's second best player in the finals. If the Spurs were healthy, they may not have even won that first one IMO.

Also, like previously mentioned, a lot of teams that have won it all deal with teams that have injuries that could have changed the series and they get passes, so why don't the Raptors? I believe the Raptors would have won it again if Kawhi stayed and solidified themselves as a legit team.

Warriors had a lot of luck during all 3 of their title runs. They benefited greatly from injures in all 3 title runs. Cavs missing Kyrie and Love in '15, They took out Kawhi in '17, Chris Paul tears his hamstring right after the Rockets go up 3-2 on them.

I have always felt the Warriors players were mentally soft but injuries prevented them from being tested mentally. I still will never forget how down and depressed they were in game 1 of the 2017 WCF. Spurs go up by 20 and Warriors have this arrogance that they will comeback at cut the lead to 10-12 then the Spurs pushed it all the way up to 24-26 points. When the Spurs did that I could see Curry,Klay,Dray,Durant all broken on the bench mentally. They all had that look of hopelessness on their faces. Right after Kawhi got taken out by Zaza I saw Curry's face light up on the bench like a kid on Christmas morning. Always hated those fuckers and felt they were front runners.

This is evident now with both Curry and Draymond faking injuries to get out of playing games since they can't handle the ass whoopings they are getting.

[TD 21]

I don't know why people call that Raptors championship a tainted one when the Warriors did nothing but face injured teams throughout their run. Sure the Raptors probably don't beat a healthy Warriors team (95% of us would say no way including me), but when people call the Warriors one of the best teams of all time when they either played injured teams, or never faced teams that were injured during their run, I don't see why they get a pass and the Raptors don't.

Their first Championship, the Clippers choked after beating the Spurs, and the Spurs had injuries to Splitter and Parker (if those two were healthy, I truly believe the Spurs would have been playing them in the WCF), and Cleveland was missing it's second best player in the finals. If the Spurs were healthy, they may not have even won that first one IMO.

Also, like previously mentioned, a lot of teams that have won it all deal with teams that have injuries that could have changed the series and they get passes, so why don't the Raptors? I believe the Raptors would have won it again if Kawhi stayed and solidified themselves as a legit team.

:lmao Scumbag's unethical behavior destroyed his value to such an extent that the "trade" that was consummated only occurred because of that. If not for that, had the Raptors even wanted to get in the game, Siakam, among other things (mostly picks) would have had to be in it and considering they barely won with him, they obviously wouldn't have won without him.

Also, the Warriors weren't just injured, they were decimated. A few minutes of Durant, Thompson in and out until eventually permanently out, Iguodala and Looney played injured (not hurt), Cousins rushed back from a significant injury and was nowhere near ready to play.

[ElNono]

First he "didn't embrace it", now he "wanted to be The Man, period". Which one is it?

It's both. He wanted the world to know he was The Man, but he didn't want the responsibility that came with it. He never lead anything in this team. First one to quit when the going got tough.


Scumbag didn't get the same Raptors DeRozan did. Their young players took a significant step forward, the Spurs gave them an additional 3 and D wing and the flexibility to shift Ibaka to his modern position and they acquired Gasol. He also never had to go through James or a remotely healthy Warriors, yet barely eked it out.

He went through James at least once before (in '14), so it's not like he has to prove anything there. It's really simple, DeRozan doesn't ring with that team.

I don't care how much you want to downplay nephew's run and how much you hate him, he's got the hardware, which is what all the teams play for. He got lucky? Maybe. That's not his fault and part of the game.

[ElNono]

I don't know why people call that Raptors championship a tainted one when the Warriors did nothing but face injured teams throughout their run. Sure the Raptors probably don't beat a healthy Warriors team (95% of us would say no way including me), but when people call the Warriors one of the best teams of all time when they either played injured teams, or never faced teams that were injured during their run, I don't see why they get a pass and the Raptors don't.

Their first Championship, the Clippers choked after beating the Spurs, and the Spurs had injuries to Splitter and Parker (if those two were healthy, I truly believe the Spurs would have been playing them in the WCF), and Cleveland was missing it's second best player in the finals. If the Spurs were healthy, they may not have even won that first one IMO.

Also, like previously mentioned, a lot of teams that have won it all deal with teams that have injuries that could have changed the series and they get passes, so why don't the Raptors? I believe the Raptors would have won it again if Kawhi stayed and solidified themselves as a legit team.

You can say they got lucky, sure, but I don't know how you can hold it against them. It's generally not their fault the other team got hurt (Zaza notwithstanding).

Sure, a healthy Warriors team makes for a much different series, and probably end result, but, again, it wasn't Toronto's fault they got hurt.

[TD 21]

It's both. He wanted the world to know he was The Man, but he didn't want the responsibility that came with it. He never lead anything in this team. First one to quit when the going got tough.



He went through James at least once before (in '14), so it's not like he has to prove anything there. It's really simple, DeRozan doesn't ring with that team.

I don't care how much you want to downplay nephew's run and how much you hate him, he's got the hardware, which is what all the teams play for. He got lucky? Maybe. That's not his fault and part of the game.

Except he did. He literally requested star minutes/usage (again, not saying for altruistic reasons), then dragged a terrible team mired in turmoil into the playoffs in a deep conference. Anything less than his best in '17-19 and they don't tie the record playoff streak, which clearly mattered to them.

:lmao You couldn't sound more like a Stockholm syndrome casual. Souped up Bowen didn't "go through James", arguably the GOAT team performance in playoff history did.

It is really simple: He needed pristine circumstances to win in '19 and has never done anything notable without them. By unwittingly creating a scenario that otherwise wouldn't have existed, he destroyed the credibility of it.

[daslicer]

1. Of course I can mention his name in the context of bringing more hardware to this franchise than LMA. That's entirely factual, and as much as I hate nephew, it would be hard to argue we would have won in '14 if he wasn't there. He wasn't a bit player that year either.

Again, completely different than using nephew to excuse LMA.



2.They're still your feelings, and that's ok. Completely irrelevant when it comes to LMA quitting on this team, but you're certainly entitled to your opinion.



3. No he would not. He had two championships under his belt by that point, actually carrying his teams, something LMA never has done and will never do. There was absolutely no doubt who TD was at that point. Tim wasn't just demanding to be the leader, he fully embraced it. There's really no comparison between the two, tbh...



4. He's always been bitchmade. The Spurs sold 'culture and selflessness' and he was the complete antithesis of that. First season and he was already bitching about his touches.

I'm not going to say he's the reason this team is in shambles, there's more reasons than a single player for that.

Going back to my first post ITT, as much as people hate Jax or Nephew (I would even say rightly so), those guys were integral in hanging another banner up there. Jax draining bombs in '03 and Nephew was all over '14. LMA was never even close to that.


1. This exactly what you said in the original post I responded to "LMA brought his loser attitude with him, and failed to ride both Duncan and Nephew to a title" I pointed it out to you a million times he could not ride Kawhi because Kawhi choked in '16 and got taken out in '17. Don't punk out and deflect. Own your original statement. I'm not into the deflection game.

2. Accusing me of being in my feels is real funny coming from a guy who constantly has Manu's dick shoved in his mouth in here 24/7.

3. Ok so your new logic is that guys who won championships like Duncan,Lebron,Shaq,Kobe all get passes for having to be bailed by role players in crucial playoff games despite choking in those games because they had won titles before but LMA doesn't get that pass despite showing up to win game 6 of the Rockets series since he hadn't won a title before. So I guess we will be able to retroactively give LMA a pass for game 5 of the Rockets series since he will win a title with the Nets this year going by your logic.

4. Truth is you don't want to admit it that 90 percent of NBA star players are bitchmade. Durant is the biggest bitchmade player in the league and is going to win a title this year. Like I said before Jokic and possibly Giannis are the only superstar players I can think of that are not bitch made in the current NBA. Players care about their stats first before winning. Even your boy Jax a lowly role player was selfish about his stats hence him getting cut by the Spurs in '13.

I blame Pop for the current mess the Spurs are in. He should have traded LMA in the summer of '18 once he was forced to get rid of Kawhi but selfishly didn't want to coach a lottery team.

LMA never got to play with '03 Duncan like Jax did and didn't get the privilege of even playing with '14 Duncan like Kawhi did. Again stupid comparison by you. You hate Lamarcus it's ok to admit it.

[ElNono]

Except he did. He literally requested star minutes/usage (again, not saying for altruistic reasons), then dragged a terrible team mired in turmoil into the playoffs in a deep conference. Anything less than his best in '17-19 and they don't tie the record playoff streak, which clearly mattered to them.

:lmao regular season championships... is that what we're celebrating now? How did that season end, and where was LMA? Sorry, real season starts in May.


:lmao You couldn't sound more like a Stockholm syndrome casual. Souped up Bowen didn't "go through James", arguably the GOAT team performance in playoff history did.

He was the Finals MVP, period, you can't spin it. You hated that team all season, I remember it well. I called your ass out mid season when you were doing your debbie downer thing, and when they won it you were right back celebrating like nothing happened.

Don't get it wrong, I don't like nephew one inch more than you do, but I'm not going to deny he was dominant, and he certainly has the hardware to back it up.


It is really simple: He needed pristine circumstances to win in '19 and has never done anything notable without them. By unwittingly creating a scenario that otherwise wouldn't have existed, he destroyed the credibility of it.

You're trying to downplay a guy that was integral, if not outright the best player, in winning two NBA titles with two different teams while trying to prop up a career loser lauding the virtues of regular season accomploishments... that's how ridiculous this is at this point. :lol

I get it, you have profound hate for nephew and he cut you deep. I think he was the ultimate douchebag too, but at some point you have to admit he was good enough to the point where the Spurs were building the franchise around him.

[TD 21]

:lmao regular season championships... is that what we're celebrating now? How did that season end, and where was LMA? Sorry, real season starts in May.



He was the Finals MVP, period, you can't spin it. You hated that team all season, I remember it well. I called your ass out mid season when you were doing your debbie downer thing, and when they won it you were right back celebrating like nothing happened.

Don't get it wrong, I don't like nephew one inch more than you do, but I'm not going to deny he was dominant, and he certainly has the hardware to back it up.



You're trying to downplay a guy that was integral, if not outright the best player, in winning two NBA titles with two different teams while trying to prop up a career loser lauding the virtues of regular season accomploishments... that's how ridiculous this is at this point. :lol

I get it, you have profound hate for nephew and he cut you deep. I think he was the ultimate douchebag too, but at some point you have to admit he was good enough to the point where the Spurs were building the franchise around him.

:lmao What did you want him (or anyone) to do with the '17-'19 Spurs?

:lmao Spouting results without context. Typical Stockholm syndrome casual.

:lmao Thinking I hated the '14 Spurs (a truly absurd comment) and still ignoring that they caught a major break with Ibaka missing the first two games.

:lmao Bringing up irrelevant things (like what caliber of player Scumbag is) and thinking his souped up Bowen ass was a candidate for best player on the '14 Spurs.

[daslicer]

:lmao regular season championships... is that what we're celebrating now? How did that season end, and where was LMA? Sorry, real season starts in May.



He was the Finals MVP, period, you can't spin it. You hated that team all season, I remember it well. I called your ass out mid season when you were doing your debbie downer thing, and when they won it you were right back celebrating like nothing happened.

Don't get it wrong, I don't like nephew one inch more than you do, but I'm not going to deny he was dominant, and he certainly has the hardware to back it up.



You're trying to downplay a guy that was integral, if not outright the best player, in winning two NBA titles with two different teams while trying to prop up a career loser lauding the virtues of regular season accomploishments... that's how ridiculous this is at this point. :lol

I get it, you have profound hate for nephew and he cut you deep. I think he was the ultimate douchebag too, but at some point you have to admit he was good enough to the point where the Spurs were building the franchise around him.

Kawhi was definitely not outright the best player on the '14 squad. He was tied with Manu for third in scoring during the '14 playoff run.

[ElNono]

1. This exactly what you said in the original post I responded to "LMA brought his loser attitude with him, and failed to ride both Duncan and Nephew to a title" I pointed it out to you a million times he could not ride Kawhi because Kawhi choked in '16 and got taken out in '17. Don't punk out and deflect. Own your original statement. I'm not into the deflection game.

And I called bullshit on that, because he had Kawhi before the injuries and instead of getting out of the way, he started pouting about his touches and his role (fact). Then you went into spin mode on how he did get out of the way, despite I dared you to show me that he did. And you didn't, because you know you were doing revisionist history.

Everybody can read what we post here, tbh... when you changed your tune and said they both choked, now that's fair. I don't mind people ganging up on that douchebag nephew, but don't give this guy a pass in the process.


2. Accusing me of being in my feels is real funny coming from a guy who constantly has Manu's dick shoved in his mouth in here 24/7

You keep trying to crowbar Manu in this convo, you should know by now it doesn't work. I didn't say the whole 'feels' thing in a demeaning manner, I was simply pointing it out based on what you posted. Namely:


3. I don't care that he quit in that series.


3. Yeah I really didn't care about him quitting since I mentally checked out of that series as a fan once Kawhi got taken out by Zaza. I didn't even bother to watch any of the games after game 1.


3. My feels? More like I knew the team was going to get their ass whooped every game without Kawhi. I rather be smart and not waste my time watching 2 hours of trash every night but hey I get you still being checked in that series since you are a hardcore Manutard. I more disappointing no one injured Curry,Klay,Durant after that Zaza hatchet job. I'm old school so I would have loved to see retaliation. I was fine with him quitting.

See? it's all about how you feel. Look, you can feel however you want, tbh, we're not talking about you (or Manu), we're talking about LMA. He wasn't getting paid to quit when the going got tough. That's not what leaders do. Not season after season after season.
Sure, probably the series ends the same way. But show a little fight. At least pretend that you care. Do it for your teammates.


3. Ok so your new logic is that guys who won championships like Duncan,Lebron,Shaq,Kobe all get passes for having to be bailed by role players in crucial playoff games despite choking in those games because they had won titles before but LMA doesn't get that pass despite showing up to win game 6 of the Rockets series since he hadn't won a title before. So I guess we will be able to retroactively give LMA a pass for game 5 of the Rockets series since he will win a title with the Nets this year going by your logic.

No, it's not a new logic. Players that have the hardware, and in this case, multiple hardware leading their teams throughout the whole playoffs and finals have always happened to get the benefit of the doubt for a poor game, a poor decision, or even a poor series here or there. Like it or not this game is about winning that LOBT, and the winners do get to write history. Kerr didn't get "The Last Dance", Jordan did. Does Jordan gets that show if he loses the 6 finals? No he doesn't. You don't get participation trophies in this thing.

LMA know this too well also, that's why he quit on this team (again) a few weeks ago hoping somebody will give him a ring. He just will never be in the upper echelon of true winners in this league though, because despite demanding to be the absolute leader, he always cared more about himself than the team winning.


4. Truth is you don't want to admit it that 90 percent of NBA star players are bitchmade. Durant is the biggest bitchmade player in the league and is going to win a title this year. Like I said before Jokic and possibly Giannis are the only superstar players I can think of that are not bitch made in the current NBA. Players care about their stats first before winning. Even your boy Jax a lowly role player was selfish about his stats hence him getting cut by the Spurs in '13.

I already agreed that this league if full of bitchmade. But I also think there's an extra special category of flat out losers like Carmelo or LMA in this league, where not only they're bitchmade, their pettiness get in the way of winning.

KD is absolutely bitchmade, but he didn't get in the way of the Dubs ringing. He didn't quit when everybody were saying on his second season he was playing iso too much.


I blame Pop for the current mess the Spurs are in. He should have traded LMA in the summer of '18 once he was forced to get rid of Kawhi but selfishly didn't want to coach a lottery team.

LMA never got to play with '03 Duncan like Jax did and didn't get the privilege of even playing with '14 Duncan like Kawhi did. Again stupid comparison by you. You hate Lamarcus it's ok to admit it.

Agree about Pop, but both Jax and Nephew, as much hate as you possibly can have for them, are a big part of the reason we have two more banners at the AT&T.

Never hid my disgust for LMA either, tbh, and while it completely blows to be 100% correct about him, it does suck the Spurs didn't move him while they could still fetch something for him.

[ElNono]

Kawhi was definitely not outright the best player on the '14 squad. He was tied with Manu for third in scoring during the '14 playoff run.

Arguable. He was the Finals MVP, and you can't spin that. He had to defend the best player in the league at the time, perhaps all time, for the entire series. He wasn't even getting plays called for him then.

[daslicer]

1. And I called bullshit on that, because he had Kawhi before the injuries and instead of getting out of the way, he started pouting about his touches and his role (fact). Then you went into spin mode on how he did get out of the way, despite I dared you to show me that he did. And you didn't, because you know you were doing revisionist history.

Everybody can read what we post here, tbh... when you changed your tune and said they both choked, now that's fair. I don't mind people ganging up on that douchebag nephew, but don't give this guy a pass in the process.



You keep trying to crowbar Manu in this convo, you should know by now it doesn't work. I didn't say the whole 'feels' thing in a demeaning manner, I was simply pointing it out based on what you posted. Namely:







See? it's all about how you feel. Look, you can feel however you want, tbh, we're not talking about you (or Manu), we're talking about LMA. He wasn't getting paid to quit when the going got tough. That's not what leaders do. Not season after season after season.
Sure, probably the series ends the same way. But show a little fight. At least pretend that you care. Do it for your teammates.



No, it's not a new logic. Players that have the hardware, and in this case, multiple hardware leading their teams throughout the whole playoffs and finals have always happened to get the benefit of the doubt for a poor game, a poor decision, or even a poor series here or there. Like it or not this game is about winning that LOBT, and the winners do get to write history. Kerr didn't get "The Last Dance", Jordan did. Does Jordan gets that show if he loses the 6 finals? No he doesn't. You don't get participation trophies in this thing.

LMA know this too well also, that's why he quit on this team (again) a few weeks ago hoping somebody will give him a ring. He just will never be in the upper echelon of true winners in this league though, because despite demanding to be the absolute leader, he always cared more about himself than the team winning.



I already agreed that this league if full of bitchmade. But I also think there's an extra special category of flat out losers like Carmelo or LMA in this league, where not only they're bitchmade, their pettiness get in the way of winning.

KD is absolutely bitchmade, but he didn't get in the way of the Dubs ringing. He didn't quit when everybody were saying on his second season he was playing iso too much.



Agree about Pop, but both Jax and Nephew, as much hate as you possibly can have for them, are a big part of the reason we have two more banners at the AT&T.

Never hid my disgust for LMA either, tbh, and while it completely blows to be 100% correct about him, it does suck the Spurs didn't move him while they could still fetch something for him.

1. Actually I did prove to you LMA got out of the way in the '16 playoffs when Kawhi lead the team in FGA in games 4-6 against the Thunder. The Spurs ended up losing all 3 of those games against the thunder. He deferred to him again in the '17 playoffs when Kawhi lead the Spurs in FGA in every game that he played except game 1 against in Warriors in which he was on pace to have the most FGA again until Zaza took him out.

2. Jax and Kawhi played big roles in winning those 2 titles as good role players. Jax lucked out playing with peak Duncan who statically had the third best playoff run of all time. Duncan also statistically was the best player on the '14 team not by a big margin like he was on the 4 others but that goes to show you how good he was in '14. LMA didn't get to play with that Duncan so we will never know how successful he would have been with either '03 or '14 Duncan incarnations. If you want to be angry about LMA choking in games 4 and 5 of the Thunder series fine but other than that he was not put in the position to win a title.

So what were you right about LMA? That he didn't win titles with the Spurs? That's not really a Nostradamus prediction right there considering what transpired with Zaza taking out Kawhi and then the Spurs losing Kawhi. Let me ask you a question what was your expectations of what LMA could provide the Spurs from '17-'19? Did you expect the team to be a title contender with him?

[daslicer]

Arguable. He was the Finals MVP, and you can't spin that. He had to defend the best player in the league at the time, perhaps all time, for the entire series. He wasn't even getting plays called for him then.

So going by your logic Andre Iguodala was the best player on the Warriors during the Warriors playoff run in '15. Also Cedric Maxwell was the best Celtic player on the '81 Celtics title team because he won Finals MVP.

[ElNono]

So going by your logic Andre Iguodala was the best player on the Warriors during the Warriors playoff run in '15. Also Cedric Maxwell was the best Celtic player on the '81 Celtics title team because he won Finals MVP.

Not my logic at all, that's entirely your claim. I said it was arguable, and that you can't spin his Finals MVP (which means he did something right).

Who was the best player in the '14 squad in your opinion? IMO, it's very difficult to pin it on one specific guy that year. Kawhi certainly up there though, IMVHO.

[daslicer]

Not my logic at all, that's entirely your claim. I said it was arguable, and that you can't spin his Finals MVP (which means he did something right).

Who was the best player in the '14 squad in your opinion? IMO, it's very difficult to pin it on one specific guy that year. Kawhi certainly up there though, IMVHO.

Statistically I go with Tim Duncan. He was second in scoring on the team during the playoffs, and lead the team in rebounds, along with being the defensive anchor in the paint. He wasn't the best by a big margin like he was on the first 4 titles but I give him the edge. The big 3 statistically all performed better than Kawhi in the Mavs and Thunder series. Kawhi wasn't consistently good enough in the '14 playoffs to be considered the best player on the Spurs. Did he deserve Finals MVP? Yes he did I'm not going to dispute that but he wasn't the best player for the whole entire playoff run. That's simply not true.

[ElNono]

1. Actually I did prove to you LMA got out of the way in the '16 playoffs when Kawhi lead the team in FGA in games 4-6 against the Thunder. The Spurs ended up losing all 3 of those games against the thunder. He deferred to him again in the '17 playoffs when Kawhi lead the Spurs in FGA in every game that he played except game 1 against in Warriors in which he was on pace to have the most FGA again until Zaza took him out.

Except that's not what you said. Let's see:


1. He did get out of the way. His scoring dropped drastically during his two year stretch playing with Kawhi.

and I responded:


No he didn't get out of the way. He took the most shots for that entire series. He was full on 4 more 2PA than the second guy (nephew) for the entire playoff run. I dare you go look it up and tell me I'm wrong. Don't give me revisionist history.

Go ahead, look that up ('16) and tell me I'm wrong. Here: https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2016.html

And goes without saying he was the top shot taker as well in the regular season despite not being the top scorer (neither was he in the playoffs).

But you're correct they both choked that year.


2. Jax and Kawhi played big roles in winning those 2 titles as good role players. Jax lucked out playing with peak Duncan who statically had the third best playoff run of all time. Duncan also statistically was the best player on the '14 team not by a big margin like he was on the 4 others but that goes to show you how good he was in '14. LMA didn't get to play with that Duncan so we will never know how successful he would have been with either '03 or '14 Duncan incarnations. If you want to be angry about LMA choking in games 4 and 5 of the Thunder series fine but other than that he was not put in the position to win a title.

I'm unhappy with LMA's entire tenure on the Spurs, because I already knew this guy was a serial quitter with an inflated ego. And turns out that, indeed, he was all of those things.

The Spurs wasted a lot of time and money on him. Now, I don't think the original signing was wrong, you can always take a flyer on a guy like that and see if you can change him, but it became clear fairly soon that was not happening and they should have ejected this loser a long time ago.

As far as Jax and Kawhi, I'm simply pointing out that no matter how much you hate them, they were important cogs, within their roles, in having two more banners hanging from the AT&T. Let's call it a silver lining. LMA doesn't even have that.


So what were you right about LMA? That he didn't win titles with the Spurs? That's not really a Nostradamus prediction right there considering what transpired with Zaza taking out Kawhi and then the Spurs losing Kawhi. Let me ask you a question what was your expectations of what LMA could provide the Spurs from '17-'19? Did you expect the team to be a title contender with him?

I was right he was a quitter, that he wanted to be known as the man but not actually be one when it mattered. I was right he was a diva, and despite being on an actual contending team coming off a championship, the first thing he could think about is demand more touches.

I'm comfortable in stating that while Kawhi was here this was a contending team. Am I incorrect? My expectation was that he was going to swallow his ego chasing a ring and take a back seat to an emerging star in Kawhi, and try to learn a few things like not coming into camp fat from a legend like Tim.

Clearly my expectations were too high.

[ElNono]

Statistically I go with Tim Duncan. He was second in scoring on the team during the playoffs, and lead the team in rebounds, along with being the defensive anchor in the paint. He wasn't the best by a big margin like he was on the first 4 titles but I give him the edge. The big 3 statistically all performed better than Kawhi in the Mavs and Thunder series. Kawhi wasn't consistently good enough in the '14 playoffs to be considered the best player on the Spurs. Did he deserve Finals MVP? Yes he did I'm not going to dispute that but he wasn't the best player for the whole entire playoff run. That's simply not true.

That's fair. I think there were a lot of unsung heroes that year. Splitter was very solid in a number of series. Even Pop, for all the shit he pulls off these days, I thought that was the best coaching job he did in many, many years (probably fueled by the fuckup the year before).

[weeks]

LMA is just a weird fucking dude.

[DMC]

Kawhi was definitely not outright the best player on the '14 squad. He was tied with Manu for third in scoring during the '14 playoff run.

Player and scorer not necessarily the same thing.

[DMC]

Except that's not what you said. Let's see:



and I responded:



Go ahead, look that up ('16) and tell me I'm wrong. Here: https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2016.html

And goes without saying he was the top shot taker as well in the regular season despite not being the top scorer (neither was he in the playoffs).

But you're correct they both choked that year.



I'm unhappy with LMA's entire tenure on the Spurs, because I already knew this guy was a serial quitter with an inflated ego. And turns out that, indeed, he was all of those things.

The Spurs wasted a lot of time and money on him. Now, I don't think the original signing was wrong, you can always take a flyer on a guy like that and see if you can change him, but it became clear fairly soon that was not happening and they should have ejected this loser a long time ago.

As far as Jax and Kawhi, I'm simply pointing out that no matter how much you hate them, they were important cogs, within their roles, in having two more banners hanging from the AT&T. Let's call it a silver lining. LMA doesn't even have that.



I was right he was a quitter, that he wanted to be known as the man but not actually be one when it mattered. I was right he was a diva, and despite being on an actual contending team coming off a championship, the first thing he could think about is demand more touches.

I'm comfortable in stating that while Kawhi was here this was a contending team. Am I incorrect? My expectation was that he was going to swallow his ego chasing a ring and take a back seat to an emerging star in Kawhi, and try to learn a few things like not coming into camp fat from a legend like Tim.

Clearly my expectations were too high.

LMA did what LMA has always done. He started in KD's shadow and was unfairly compared to him early on. He was better than he should have been given he's basically a 2pt jumper guy with some around the rim abilities. There are very very few NBA stars who don't have huge egos. You won't see another Manu Ginobili, Tim Duncan or Dirk Nowitzki most likely. They are individual corporations now, fighting for their bottom lines.

[duncan2k5]

Can't believe ppl are still defending this emo, egotistical quitter who bailed on every team because there was another player taking the shine.... He demanded a trade after the most team success he has ever had, and mailed it in this year because he felt we weren't good enough... Then had the audacity to demand another trade after being benched for poor play

[KobesAchilles]

Arguable. He was the Finals MVP, and you can't spin that. He had to defend the best player in the league at the time, perhaps all time, for the entire series. He wasn't even getting plays called for him then.
Dude put up 12 points a game in the first round. Wtf kinda best player does that? Hell I can't think of a team that won a chip when their best player put up 12 points a game in a 7 game series. Hell what team could even win round 1 when their best player gives them that shit?

[KobesAchilles]

Player and scorer not necessarily the same thing.
He sucked the entire round1. He was pretty damn good the second round. He sucked in round 3 and was awful the first 2 games of the Finals. Then he had THREE amazing games of his life and it was awesome! It was epic! It got us that damn ring! But those were the only 3 games he was ever the best player on our team

[lefty]

Seattle will have some banners up there after the move.

.
:lol

[lefty]

Not my logic at all, that's entirely your claim. I said it was arguable, and that you can't spin his Finals MVP (which means he did something right).

Who was the best player in the '14 squad in your opinion? IMO, it's very difficult to pin it on one specific guy that year. Kawhi certainly up there though, IMVHO.
Finals MVP is totally spinnable tbh

Bird only scored 15 ppg in the 81 FInals, but his impact was much bigger than Maxwell's and he made clutch plays, not just in the Finals but in the entire playoffs

MJ stole the 96 FInals MVP from Rodman; Demar Dejordan only had 1 good game, Rodman was more instrumental in those Finals

Kareem should have won Finals MVP in 1980; sure, Tragic had that great game 6, but Kareem absolutely destroyed the entire 76ers frontline in the previous 5 games; the only reason Tragic won it was because the media liked him more than Kream

[RD2191]

LMA quit on the Spurs multiple times, period. Anyone arguing otherwise is a cocksucking homer. Just because he did it "professionally" doesn't mean shit. Spurs accomplished jack shit with him and he has only himself to blame. Requesting a trade after a historic Spurs regular season and a deep playoff run just because you weren't getting your touches? :lol gtfo Dude's a quitter and a loser, always has been. Didn't do shit in Portland, didn't do shit in SA, fuck him.

[daslicer]

He sucked the entire round1. He was pretty damn good the second round. He sucked in round 3 and was awful the first 2 games of the Finals. Then he had THREE amazing games of his life and it was awesome! It was epic! It got us that damn ring! But those were the only 3 games he was ever the best player on our team

Agreed. He was a very good role player during that playoff run but he was not even close to being a star yet. He showed flashes of it in the Blazers series, and the final 3 games of the Miami series but outside of that he was just a good role player.

[daslicer]

Player and scorer not necessarily the same thing.

In NBA history the best player on a title contender is always the 1 or second scorer on the team. The only time this wasn't true was when Bill Russell was on the Celtics and Magic on the Lakers. In Magic's case he was usually third in scoring on the Lakers but his play making also generated a ton of points. Name me a time when the best player on NBA championship team wasn't the number 1 or 2 option in scoring.

[daslicer]

LMA quit on the Spurs multiple times, period. Anyone arguing otherwise is a cocksucking homer. Just because he did it "professionally" doesn't mean shit. Spurs accomplished jack shit with him and he has only himself to blame. Requesting a trade after a historic Spurs regular season and a deep playoff run just because you weren't getting your touches? :lol gtfo Dude's a quitter and a loser, always has been. Didn't do shit in Portland, didn't do shit in SA, fuck him.

:lol But he will ring in Brooklyn.

[K...]

It can be both true that LMA was a punk ass pansy bitch and also the best post duncan player (not including the player who can't even wipe his own ass anymore) we will see in many years. People who hate LMA are in for a sore experience as there are 500 lma types for every duncan.

There's an entire seperate thread about "did lma quit" this thread for trolling about how lma scoring 12 points is the difference between the spurs making the playoff.

[DMC]

In NBA history the best player on a title contender is always the 1 or second scorer on the team. The only time this wasn't true was when Bill Russell was on the Celtics and Magic on the Lakers. In Magic's case he was usually third in scoring on the Lakers but his play making also generated a ton of points. Name me a time when the best player on NBA championship team wasn't the number 1 or 2 option in scoring.

You're moving the goalposts a little bit. You said best scorer now you're moving it to number one or number two.

So if we take it to a single game, Patty Mills is the high scorer on the game does that make him the best player on the floor? What if Kawhi Leonard only has 10 point but he has five steals 7 blocks at about 15 rebounds?

The best player on the floor isn't dependent on his individual numbers that game or even that series, if LeBron James was playing he would be the best player on the floor regardless of who else is on the floor and whatever their results were in that series because how can the best player in the NBA not be the best player on a team?

[Ice009]

LMA did what LMA has always done. He started in KD's shadow and was unfairly compared to him early on. He was better than he should have been given he's basically a 2pt jumper guy with some around the rim abilities. There are very very few NBA stars who don't have huge egos. You won't see another Manu Ginobili, Tim Duncan or Dirk Nowitzki most likely. They are individual corporations now, fighting for their bottom lines.

What do you mean by LMA started in KD's shadow? I don't recall them playing together. Did they play together in college, or do you mean when Seattle still had a team and it was Portland and Seattle in the same state?

[Darius Bieber]

Dude is 8-12 with 22 points in 23 minutes :lmao

[Ice009]

Dude is 8-12 with 22 points in 23 minutes :lmao

Great for us :(. We don't have any big men on the team capable of doing that.

[daslicer]

Dude is 8-12 with 22 points in 23 minutes :lmao

He even caught an alley-oop from Kyrie.

[K...]

if he succeeds this is an indictment of Kawhi as hard to work with since the stars have no problem giving him touches.

[kht]

LMA really couldn't come off the bench for us and give us 15 minutes a night? Really??

[offset formation]

It's straight fucking karma that LMA is in a good position and having great game after game after the Spurs misused him. All while ppl here trashed him unrelentingly.

I also love the supposed facts ppl here quote about his selfishness. Not one teammate has ever said that about him. He's actually been a great teammate. His assist numbers went up year after year since arriving in SA.

I'm now more convinced Pop just didn't know how to use him and wasted our biggest FA signing ever. Doubtful this happens again. Our fanbase is trash based on how they talked about LMA.

[offset formation]

LMA really couldn't come off the bench for us and give us 15 minutes a night? Really??

Would you want to when you feel like you still have something to give and that you aren't ready to play limited minutes. I don't blame him one bit. He was misused here. And it shows.

I'm increasingly aware of Pop's inadequacies in rotations, that first showed themselves with how he played Bryn.

Now it's clear that he misused LMA from the get go such that LMA was immediately perturbed at how he was being used his first year here with nephew. Then he stuck around and tried to be the player pop wanted while neph spit in our face. LMA was a consummate pro his entire time here (fact).

[slick'81]

Lma proving hes not done

[daslicer]

He had 3-4 dunks in this game and 2 blocks on Zion . He looked pretty happy like a man who had been released from prison.

Z3P0qaDBUHo

[slick'81]

But that buyout though

[ismael-robert]

How's their D? He's standing around paint so able to close out on 3s?

[duncan2k5]

It's hilarious how easily swayed ppl are... HE DIDN'T WANNA BE HERE! why pine over him? He had more than 12 shots a game when he played with Kawhi and made the WCF and still was jealous... He had more than 12 shots a game with Lillard and still was jealous... The only reason he seems happier now is he would look stupid as fuck pouting over touches on a team with Kyrie, KD, and harden

[daslicer]

It's hilarious how easily swayed ppl are... HE DIDN'T WANNA BE HERE! why pine over him? He had more than 12 shots a game when he played with Kawhi and made the WCF and still was jealous... He had more than 12 shots a game with Lillard and still was jealous... The only reason he seems happier now is he would look stupid as fuck pouting over touches on a team with Kyrie, KD, and harden

He chose to play with the Net's big 3 so he should be happy. I would say he's happy that he's now on a title contender for the first time in 4 years.

[james evans]

This is really a bad look for Popovich. AGAIN!! Bad.

[ElNono]

https://media.tenor.com/images/c1707fa67f9c7d5d6a0bb1dae682a1af/tenor.gif

[ElNono]

It's hilarious how easily swayed ppl are... HE DIDN'T WANNA BE HERE! why pine over him? He had more than 12 shots a game when he played with Kawhi and made the WCF and still was jealous... He had more than 12 shots a game with Lillard and still was jealous... The only reason he seems happier now is he would look stupid as fuck pouting over touches on a team with Kyrie, KD, and harden

Didn't know they also have Blake Griffin and Deandre Jordan... if these guys don't ring this year, it's going to be hilarious.

[tbdog]

The nets are by in far the favourites. And that's without Durant.

[DeRozan m8]

It's straight fucking karma that LMA is in a good position and having great game after game after the Spurs misused him. All while ppl here trashed him unrelentingly.

I also love the supposed facts ppl here quote about his selfishness. Not one teammate has ever said that about him. He's actually been a great teammate. His assist numbers went up year after year since arriving in SA.

I'm now more convinced Pop just didn't know how to use him and wasted our biggest FA signing ever. Doubtful this happens again. Our fanbase is trash based on how they talked about LMA.

Stfu cuck bitch

[DeRozan m8]

Lma is a straight up bitch

Couldn't even put the effort in to earn tens of millions...

Weak ass quitter...hope he gets an injury real soon

[exstatic]

LMA really couldn't come off the bench for us and give us 15 minutes a night? Really??

Wouldn’t.

[Ice009]

Darn, he looks real good there. I don't know what the Spurs are doing anymore :(. Doesn't seem like they have any kind of direction at all.

[exstatic]

Darn, he looks real good there. I don't know what the Spurs are doing anymore :(. Doesn't seem like they have any kind of direction at all.

LaMarcus is a delicate little flower. My guess is that they told him not to go into the bubble because they had a trade worked out, and when Klay got injured and that fell through, he pouted and dogged it to the point they had to come up with the hip injury to cover his bullshit.

[GreekSpursfan]

This is really a bad look for Popovich. AGAIN!! Bad.

This a good look, we don't have talent, he let the man go get his ring, he did the right thing unless you think we're very talented and to that i say lol.

[Dex]

Son of a bitch put up 22/3/2 in 22 minutes last night.

Benedict "LaMarcus" Arnold.

[lefty]

Why are you guys mad?

He wants a ring, and let's be real it's not happening anytime soon in San Antonio

"tRaItOr"


STFU you would have done the same thing

:lol smh

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

If he had played with the effort he's showing on the Nets he wouldn't have been benched here. He's boxing out hard, making deliberate cuts to the basket, closing out on D, decisive help defense, and his mobility is suddenly a lot better. You know none of that was "taught" to him in the last two weeks. It's disappointing, but I guess he's willing to try if he sees that ring as a possibility. I don't know how you blame Pop and the Spurs for that.

[daslicer]

Why are you guys mad?

He wants a ring, and let's be real it's not happening anytime soon in San Antonio

"tRaItOr"


STFU you would have done the same thing

:lol smh

Surprisingly I agree with you.

[Leetonidas]

It's hilarious how easily swayed ppl are... HE DIDN'T WANNA BE HERE! why pine over him? He had more than 12 shots a game when he played with Kawhi and made the WCF and still was jealous... He had more than 12 shots a game with Lillard and still was jealous... The only reason he seems happier now is he would look stupid as fuck pouting over touches on a team with Kyrie, KD, and harden

Kawhi didn't want to he here either yet you use every chance you can to jump to his defense....

[lefty]

Surprisingly I agree with you.
:bobo

[Bynumite]

Aldridge is old and softer than ever. Making Drummond look like prime Shaq :lol







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJhfxYlqzVw&ab_channel=MLGHighlights

[DeRozan m8]

Why are you guys mad?

He wants a ring, and let's be real it's not happening anytime soon in San Antonio

"tRaItOr"


STFU you would have done the same thing

:lol smh

Spoken like a cuck with no integrity.

You always take the easy path and quit in life?

Pathetic

[RD2191]

LaSharkus quit on the Spurs, multiple times. How is this even debatable? :lol

[rankingtear]

LaSharkus quit on the Spurs, multiple times. How is this even debatable? :lol

ok, faggot.

[Chinook]

The Thunder signing Deck to a multi-year deal is basically what I was wanting the Spurs to do with some of the huge savings they got from Aldridge's buyout. I wasn't hoping for Deck specifically, but that kind of sideways thinking is what I really want SA to use to fill that 15th spot. I don't know who'd be available, but I imagine there are some decent candidates out there.

[Seventyniner]

I guess this is the right place for this stat, but I never realized that LMA has the second-lowest individual career TOV% in NBA history, behind Ryan Anderson. I would have guessed that all the leaders would be spot-up shooters, but the top 20 includes LMA, Al Jefferson, Dirk, and AD.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/tov_pct_career.html

[lefty]

Spoken like a cuck with no integrity.

You always take the easy path and quit in life?

Pathetic

Lmao

[JuneJive]

The Thunder signing Deck to a multi-year deal is basically what I was wanting the Spurs to do with some of the huge savings they got from Aldridge's buyout. I wasn't hoping for Deck specifically, but that kind of sideways thinking is what I really want SA to use to fill that 15th spot. I don't know who'd be available, but I imagine there are some decent candidates out there.

One of the main reasons OKC signed Deck was to cross the salary floor threshold.

[MannyIsGod]

The Thunder signing Deck to a multi-year deal is basically what I was wanting the Spurs to do with some of the huge savings they got from Aldridge's buyout. I wasn't hoping for Deck specifically, but that kind of sideways thinking is what I really want SA to use to fill that 15th spot. I don't know who'd be available, but I imagine there are some decent candidates out there.

Why would the Spurs make a signing for a 15th man that gives them less flexibility this summer?

[Chinook]

Why would the Spurs make a signing for a 15th man that gives them less flexibility this summer?

Why would the Spurs spend some of their 2020 salary space to reduce the amount of 2021 salary space they'd have to pay for a player? It's actually pretty obvious. This isn't the NFL -- free space doesn't roll over. Obviously, the Spurs shouldn't sign guys they don't want for the hell of it. But they definitely should be looking to target international players who have a chance to be in the rotation next season by using their relatively rare salary space at this time of the season.

[Chinook]

One of the main reasons OKC signed Deck was to cross the salary floor threshold.

Eh, if you don't cross, you just have to cut checks to the guys already on the team in order to reach the floor. It's not actually a big deal not to reach it.

[Seventyniner]

I wonder if some Thunder players got pissed off when the team signed Deck, which effectively denied those players extra money. The same used to happen with the Process Sixers iirc.

[RD2191]

To whichever mod deleted my thread, go fuck yourself.

[daslicer]

I guess this is the right place for this stat, but I never realized that LMA has the second-lowest individual career TOV% in NBA history, behind Ryan Anderson. I would have guessed that all the leaders would be spot-up shooters, but the top 20 includes LMA, Al Jefferson, Dirk, and AD.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/tov_pct_career.html

That's an interesting stat. I looked up Tim Duncan on there and he was like 10 slots away from being in last place. Really insane how LMA was arguably the best of all time at not being turnover prone.

[cjw]

That's an interesting stat. I looked up Tim Duncan on there and he was like 10 slots away from being in last place. Really insane how LMA was arguably the best of all time at not being turnover prone.

They only show the top 250. Search for any point guard and they’re not on the list, which makes it telling.

[daslicer]

They only show the top 250. Search for any point guard and they’re not on the list, which makes it telling.

I would say Point Guards are not on there because by default they would have a higher turnover rate due to handling the balling more so than any other position.

[MannyIsGod]

Why would the Spurs spend some of their 2020 salary space to reduce the amount of 2021 salary space they'd have to pay for a player? It's actually pretty obvious. This isn't the NFL -- free space doesn't roll over. Obviously, the Spurs shouldn't sign guys they don't want for the hell of it. But they definitely should be looking to target international players who have a chance to be in the rotation next season by using their relatively rare salary space at this time of the season.

But signing a multiyear deal now reduces the amount of space they have this summer? Free space certainly isn't going to roll over but you were talking about a multiyear deal. I assume if they wanted to do that they could have just signed Dieng to a multiyear deal but I think in their eyes the reduced space this summer isn't worth a lower tier rotation player. Now, that may or may not be the case, but as they've put a lot of plans into motion to have maximum flexibility this summer I don't think they're going to change that for a lower tier rotation player (and honestly they shouldn't).

[Chinook]

But signing a multiyear deal now reduces the amount of space they have this summer? Free space certainly isn't going to roll over but you were talking about a multiyear deal. I assume if they wanted to do that they could have just signed Dieng to a multiyear deal but I think in their eyes the reduced space this summer isn't worth a lower tier rotation player. Now, that may or may not be the case, but as they've put a lot of plans into motion to have maximum flexibility this summer I don't think they're going to change that for a lower tier rotation player (and honestly they shouldn't).

If the Spurs cared about maximum flexibility, they would not have extended White. When push comes to shove, there's little functional difference between the $50 Million they are currently slated to have and the $46 Million or so they'd have after this deal. You could easily make the argument that using their buying power now gives them a better shot at international free agents (since most NBA teams don't have the salary space to offer players mid-sized multi-year deals until the off-season) and that using some salary space this year, the team could save on future years. Like they could offer a $22M/4 deal that'd basically be a $21M/3 with a million for a signing bonus. They'd end up saving something like $1.5 Million a year in salary by using space that was going to expire anyway.

I'm not saying there's a player who's worth that and who is also willing/able to come over. I am saying that if such a player exists, the Spurs should strongly consider making a move like that.

[cjw]

I would say Point Guards are not on there because by default they would have a higher turnover rate due to handling the balling more so than any other position.

Right, what I was saying is the fact that no PGs are on the list = shows you that Duncan wasn’t near “bottom” of list. He’s still top 250 in lowest career TO percentage.

The Aldridge stat blew me away though - didn’t realize his turnovers were so low.

[Leetonidas]

To whichever mod deleted my thread, go fuck yourself.
I don't wish injuries on anyone but...fuck Jamal Murray:lol

[EasyMoney]

To whichever mod deleted my thread, go fuck yourself.

Lol

[daslicer]

Right, what I was saying is the fact that no PGs are on the list = shows you that Duncan wasn’t near “bottom” of list. He’s still top 250 in lowest career TO percentage.

The Aldridge stat blew me away though - didn’t realize his turnovers were so low.

Yes I get what you are saying in him being top 250 in lowest career TO's.

[exstatic]

I don't wish injuries on anyone but...fuck Jamal Murray:lol

Nah. He’s not an asshole like so many top players. Sucks for Denver. There was a time a couple of years ago that the two man lineup of Jokic/Murray+3 was better than the GS death lineup.

When I saw the video,I knew it was an ACL. It was the same, contactless, awkward landing and instant agony that DJ had. Some moron actually asked if he could be back for the playoffs.

[DeRozan m8]

Did this fuckin clown even thank the fans or anything after he quit on us all and departed? (Legit wondering, I don't follow the cunt)

[MannyIsGod]

If the Spurs cared about maximum flexibility, they would not have extended White. When push comes to shove, there's little functional difference between the $50 Million they are currently slated to have and the $46 Million or so they'd have after this deal. You could easily make the argument that using their buying power now gives them a better shot at international free agents (since most NBA teams don't have the salary space to offer players mid-sized multi-year deals until the off-season) and that using some salary space this year, the team could save on future years. Like they could offer a $22M/4 deal that'd basically be a $21M/3 with a million for a signing bonus. They'd end up saving something like $1.5 Million a year in salary by using space that was going to expire anyway.

I'm not saying there's a player who's worth that and who is also willing/able to come over. I am saying that if such a player exists, the Spurs should strongly consider making a move like that.

There's a big difference between Derrick White and some dude that might play. I'd say that for a end of the bench type of player, that 4 million IS a big functional difference.

[MultiTroll]

Watching the Nyets with injury faking Blake Griffin (Pistons) etc is reminding me of what a joke the

:cry:cry classy buyout :pop: :cry:cry

of Softridge was.