What Gorgui Dieng Brings to the Spurs

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/gorgui-dieng-impact-signing-san-antonio-spurs/

For those who don't want to read the 8+ pages of the other thread, tbh.







The fact that Woj/ESPN hasn't reported this signing makes me a little uneasy after the whole Marcus Morris debacle. Hopefully Stein and Shams aren't wrong . . . . . .

[Robz4000]

https://www.spurstalk.com/gorgui-dieng-impact-signing-san-antonio-spurs/

For those who don't want to read the 8+ pages of the other thread, tbh.







The fact that Woj/ESPN hasn't reported this signing makes me a little uneasy after the whole Marcus Morris debacle. Hopefully Stein and Shams aren't wrong . . . . . .

They're too busy choking on the Lakers/Nets dicks to care.

[EasyMoney]

It's not being reported widely because it's not the Lakers or Nets.

[NASpurs]

Hairy Shoulders is going to the Lakers according to Woj.

[RC_Drunkford]

Nice article. Dieng is also from Senegal like Bobo, maybe that played a part too

[cd98]

Hope he isn't the lottery draft killer.

[timvp]

Still don't see anything from Woj or ESPN but looks like the Express-News is confirming it: https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-set-to-sign-veteran-big-man-Gorgui-Dieng-16059308.php

As others have mentioned, ESPN not saying anything could just be because it's the Spurs and they don't care enough to even report it :lol

[Dex]

Still don't see anything from Woj or ESPN but looks like the Express-News is confirming it: https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-set-to-sign-veteran-big-man-Gorgui-Dieng-16059308.php

As others have mentioned, ESPN not saying anything could just be because it's the Spurs and they don't care enough to even report it :lol

Why report on the Spurs when they can talk about what tacos LeBron plans to have on his Taco Tuesday?

[PhantomDashCam]

I wonder whether we see a S/L change too?

Rudy G in for KJ by the end of the season?

Would bring a little more balance Offensively to both units tbh.
Love KJ btw. Could see this happening though.

[exstatic]

I wonder whether we see a S/L change too?

Rudy G in for KJ by the end of the season?

Would bring a little more balance Offensively to both units tbh.
Love KJ btw. Could see this happening though.

No. It was hard enough getting Rudy out of the SL.

[John B]

Wow. That was a pleasant surprise. Who says doing solid to players don’t mean nothing? Here’s a guy who could sign practically with anybody but rather chose the Spurs. It’s surprisingly weird :lol but I hope he doesn’t change his mind. Welcome big guy!

[Rocalcio]

Nice article. Dieng is also from Senegal like Bobo, maybe that played a part too

Diaw is French.

[Rummpd]

Hold the excitement - the guy was basically cut from a mediocre Memphis squad. He has some potential but Pop will likely subvert it.

[RC_Drunkford]

Diaw is French.

He's Senegalese, he was just born in France. France is a white country

[exstatic]

He's Senegalese, he was just born in France. France is a white country

France is a melting pot, just like us. They have many citizens from their former African colonies, but they are citizens, and you know, French.

Did you know there are black people in England, and they are ENGLISH? Blows the mind, doesn’t it?

[Truth4sale$]

Signing might help the spurs win a few games but it wont help them win a playoff round, until they change up the starting unit for more floor spacing.

[duncan2150]

France is a melting pot, just like us. They have many citizens from their former African colonies, but they are citizens, and you know, French.

Did you know there are black people in England, and they are ENGLISH? Blows the mind, doesn’t it?

You're totally right and i write this from Paris ;)

[BackHome]

Stay safe Duncan I hear there is another Surge of Covid in France be careful.

[KingKev]

He's Senegalese, he was just born in France. France is a white country

haha wow!!! I agree. Lebron should play for team Africa, he was just born in Akron. The USA wasn’t “a white country”before you eradicated natives. I honestly believe America, as racist of a country as it is, could
solve 50% of the problem with simple education. Blows my mind how ignorant a large majority of your country is. Also, America is hardly a “melting pot” as a SEMI astute poster responded above. I guess it’s all relative though.

[Dejounte]

haha wow!!! I agree. Lebron should play for team Africa, he was just born in Akron. The USA wasn’t “a white country”before you eradicated natives. I honestly believe America, as racist of a country as it is, could
solve 50% of the problem with simple education. Blows my mind how ignorant a large majority of your country is. Also, America is hardly a “melting pot” as a SEMI astute poster responded above. I guess it’s all relative though.

I thought Drunkford is in Germany?

Speaking of melting pots... I think spurstalk is a great big one.

[Rocalcio]

He's Senegalese, he was just born in France. France is a white country

You're serious ? How is it possible to be so dumb...

[KingKev]

I thought Drunkford is in Germany?

Speaking of melting pots... I think spurstalk is a great big one.

More like a time bomb. Myself included. Reading most posts on here makes my blood boil and I just add fuel to the fire. Some real dumb asses on here.

[Dejounte]

More like a time bomb. Myself included. Reading most posts on here makes my blood boil and I just add fuel to the fire. Some real dumb asses on here.

You become desensitized to it, trust me. :lmao just enjoy the ride.

[KingKev]

You become desensitized to it, trust me. :lmao just enjoy the ride.

haha well for the record I admire your restraint playa!!

[duncan2150]

Stay safe Duncan I hear there is another Surge of Covid in France be careful.

Thanks, yes Covid is growing here.

Hope Everybody will Be Ok

[duncan2150]

Stay safe Duncan I hear there is another Surge of Covid in France be careful.

Thanks, yes Covid is growing here.

Hope Everybody will Be Ok and that the spurs will make it to the post season with dieng :)

[RC_Drunkford]

France is a melting pot, just like us. They have many citizens from their former African colonies, but they are citizens, and you know, French.

Did you know there are black people in England, and they are ENGLISH? Blows the mind, doesn’t it?


haha wow!!! I agree. Lebron should play for team Africa, he was just born in Akron. The USA wasn’t “a white country”before you eradicated natives. I honestly believe America, as racist of a country as it is, could
solve 50% of the problem with simple education. Blows my mind how ignorant a large majority of your country is. Also, America is hardly a “melting pot” as a SEMI astute poster responded above. I guess it’s all relative though.


You're serious ? How is it possible to be so dumb...

I don't think any of y'all have lived in Europe tbh. Everybody in the US says they American weather they are carribean, latino, african, arab or of european heritage. Europe is a different case. I live in Germany and nobody who was born here and has immigrant parents or grandparents claims to be German, because the people around here will never treat you as one of them and France is actually the worst when it comes down to exactly that. You will always get the question: "Where are you from?" "Oh your german is very good". This is not America. I understand that Americans are narrowminded as fuck so your opinion doesn't surprise me, but it's an entire different thing over here.

Do you think something like this would happen in an NBA game:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvuzThH_MBo

According to y'all this is an Italian player who plays for the Italian national team, but gets monkey chants from Italian fans. You tell me if he feels like he's Italian? He surely doesn't. These players only play for the European national teams, because those teams are better positioned than the African teams. Thus giving them better chances at titles, contracts and so on.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Interesting what John Hollinger had to say about Spurs waiving Aldridge, getting paid to take Chriss, and later release him to make a spot for Dieng:


Three players officially completed buyouts over the weekend. While LaMarcus Aldridge gave back a staggering $7.25 million to the Spurs (which will be “just” $5.8 million in his wallet after factoring in the league’s escrow cut), the pay cuts for Andre Drummond and Gorgui Dieng were more typical. Drummond gave back $794,536 to the Cavs and Dieng returned $699,952 to the Grizzlies; not coincidentally, these are likely the exact amounts of the minimum contracts each will sign upon clearing waivers.

San Antonio gained breathing room for both the Chriss trade and the Dieng signing when Aldridge put 7.25M back on their cap in his buyout. Otherwise, the Spurs would have been over the tax with either move. The Spurs, incidentally, ended up saving money while getting a better player at the same position for their playoff run. Not too shabby.

Basically Hollinger still holds to the $7.25 million theory...

[Dex]

Interesting what John Hollinger had to say about Spurs waiving Aldridge, getting paid to take Chriss, and later release him to make a spot for Dieng:


Three players officially completed buyouts over the weekend. While LaMarcus Aldridge gave back a staggering $7.25 million to the Spurs (which will be “just” $5.8 million in his wallet after factoring in the league’s escrow cut), the pay cuts for Andre Drummond and Gorgui Dieng were more typical. Drummond gave back $794,536 to the Cavs and Dieng returned $699,952 to the Grizzlies; not coincidentally, these are likely the exact amounts of the minimum contracts each will sign upon clearing waivers.

San Antonio gained breathing room for both the Chriss trade and the Dieng signing when Aldridge put 7.25M back on their cap in his buyout. Otherwise, the Spurs would have been over the tax with either move. The Spurs, incidentally, ended up saving money while getting a better player at the same position for their playoff run. Not too shabby.

Basically Hollinger still holds to the $7.25 million theory...

I do think Dieng is the better player at this point...and that's sad considering LMA was a multiple All-Star.

That said, I wouldn't at all be surprised if he gets to Brooklyn and starts playing like he gives a damn again. Dude has just been going through the motions this season.

[KingKev]

I don't think any of y'all have lived in Europe tbh. Everybody in the US says they American weather they are carribean, latino, african, arab or of european heritage. Europe is a different case. I live in Germany and nobody who was born here and has immigrant parents or grandparents claims to be German, because ml the people around here will never treat you as one of them and France is actually the worst when it comes down to exactly that. You will always get the question: "Where are you from?" "Oh your german is very good". This is not America. I understand that Americans are narrowminded as fuck so your opinion doesn't surprise me, but it's an entire different thing over here.

Do you think something like this would happen in an NBA game:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvuzThH_MBo

According to y'all this is an Italian player who plays for the Italian national team, but gets monkey chants from Italian fans. You tell me if he feels like he's Italian? He surely doesn't. These players only play for the European national teams, because those teams are better positioned than the African teams. Thus giving them better chances at titles, contracts and so on.

Well Germany, especially historically is not exactly a model of non prejudice so probably a bad example.

I was born in Canada as a first generation Scottish, Canadian. I lived in Glasgow, Scotland for a few years in my life but was BORN in Canada, therefore I am Canadian. Most European countries are no more ignorant than America. And I will qualify that with I genuinely love the US and respect most of what their nation offers outside of the ignorance of race/politics/religion. Italians, French, Brits are all pretty damn racist too. I could be a black, transvestite turtle who doesn’t speak english. If I was born in Bexar County, I am American. Boris is French. Deniis Schroeder is German. The earth is not flat. Lesson over.

[Jordan Jackson]

Do you think something like this would happen in an NBA game.
According to y'all this is an Italian player who plays for the Italian national team, but gets monkey chants from Italian fans.

Utah Jazz fans enter chat.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Fascinating news if Hollinger is right. Means they could have signed Dieng with part of the MLE to a longer contract.

[ragas]

I don't think any of y'all have lived in Europe tbh. Everybody in the US says they American weather they are carribean, latino, african, arab or of european heritage. Europe is a different case. I live in Germany and nobody who was born here and has immigrant parents or grandparents claims to be German, because the people around here will never treat you as one of them and France is actually the worst when it comes down to exactly that. You will always get the question: "Where are you from?" "Oh your german is very good". This is not America. I understand that Americans are narrowminded as fuck so your opinion doesn't surprise me, but it's an entire different thing over here.

Do you think something like this would happen in an NBA game:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvuzThH_MBo

According to y'all this is an Italian player who plays for the Italian national team, but gets monkey chants from Italian fans. You tell me if he feels like he's Italian? He surely doesn't. These players only play for the European national teams, because those teams are better positioned than the African teams. Thus giving them better chances at titles, contracts and so on.

Bullshit.

[ragas]

Well Germany, especially historically is not exactly a model of non prejudice so probably a bad example.

I mean, really? Did you pay attention what happened in the USA in the last months, years, decades?

[timvp]

Interesting what John Hollinger had to say about Spurs waiving Aldridge, getting paid to take Chriss, and later release him to make a spot for Dieng:


Three players officially completed buyouts over the weekend. While LaMarcus Aldridge gave back a staggering $7.25 million to the Spurs (which will be “just” $5.8 million in his wallet after factoring in the league’s escrow cut), the pay cuts for Andre Drummond and Gorgui Dieng were more typical. Drummond gave back $794,536 to the Cavs and Dieng returned $699,952 to the Grizzlies; not coincidentally, these are likely the exact amounts of the minimum contracts each will sign upon clearing waivers.

San Antonio gained breathing room for both the Chriss trade and the Dieng signing when Aldridge put 7.25M back on their cap in his buyout. Otherwise, the Spurs would have been over the tax with either move. The Spurs, incidentally, ended up saving money while getting a better player at the same position for their playoff run. Not too shabby.

Basically Hollinger still holds to the $7.25 million theory...

Great find, thanks.

So it's possible that Shams' original $7.25 million is right. Woj's number was different because he gave the post-escrow number. Bobby Marks' conclusion could have been wrong because he misinterpreted Woj's wording. This is like a bad game of telephone :lol

Personally, no one I know has a firm number but now I'm starting to think that Aldridge did give up a substantial amount. Hopefully we get real, confirmed numbers soon so we don't have to keep guessing based off of tweets.

But, yeah, now the question is whether Dieng got some sort of multi-year deal. If he got a three-year, $12-15 million contract that is essentially a two-year $8-10 million contract after this season, that would explain a lot.

[KingKev]

Great find, thanks.

So it's possible that Shams' original $7.25 million is right. Woj's number was different because he gave the post-escrow number. Bobby Marks' conclusion could have been wrong because he misinterpreted Woj's wording. This is like a bad game of telephone :lol

Personally, no one I know has a firm number but now I'm starting to think that Aldridge did give up a substantial amount. Hopefully we get real, confirmed numbers soon so we don't have to keep guessing based off of tweets.

But, yeah, now the question is whether Dieng got some sort of multi-year deal. If he got a three-year, $12-15 million contract that is essentially a two-year $8-10 million contract after this season, that would explain a lot.

If Dieng got something in that neighbourhood we are definitely planning to run it back with DDR/Mills and possibly Gay. I hope we are not dumb enough to waste any long term capital midseason on a buyout for a backup center unless a DDR sign and trade is imminent.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Great find, thanks.

So it's possible that Shams' original $7.25 million is right. Woj's number was different because he gave the post-escrow number. Bobby Marks' conclusion could have been wrong because he misinterpreted Woj's wording. This is like a bad game of telephone :lol

Personally, no one I know has a firm number but now I'm starting to think that Aldridge did give up a substantial amount. Hopefully we get real, confirmed numbers soon so we don't have to keep guessing based off of tweets.

But, yeah, now the question is whether Dieng got some sort of multi-year deal. If he got a three-year, $12-15 million contract that is essentially a two-year $8-10 million contract after this season, that would explain a lot.

so LMA is our friend now?

or are ST’s alpha chads going to keep crying ‘abusive boyfriend’

[PrimeMinister]

Bobby marks has some inside info and general knowledge of the nba but when he starts talking it becomes pretty obvious he has no idea from a speculative standpoint what is going on

definition of a gasbag

don’t agree with the assertion that a multi year deal for dieng means anything in regard to plans for Gay or Mills. We have guards and wings- backup big man was an obvious hole that Eubanks needs time to fill if he ever will at all.

[Uriel]

Interesting what John Hollinger had to say about Spurs waiving Aldridge, getting paid to take Chriss, and later release him to make a spot for Dieng:


Three players officially completed buyouts over the weekend. While LaMarcus Aldridge gave back a staggering $7.25 million to the Spurs (which will be “just” $5.8 million in his wallet after factoring in the league’s escrow cut), the pay cuts for Andre Drummond and Gorgui Dieng were more typical. Drummond gave back $794,536 to the Cavs and Dieng returned $699,952 to the Grizzlies; not coincidentally, these are likely the exact amounts of the minimum contracts each will sign upon clearing waivers.

San Antonio gained breathing room for both the Chriss trade and the Dieng signing when Aldridge put 7.25M back on their cap in his buyout. Otherwise, the Spurs would have been over the tax with either move. The Spurs, incidentally, ended up saving money while getting a better player at the same position for their playoff run. Not too shabby.

Basically Hollinger still holds to the $7.25 million theory...
Wow. Thank you Aldridge. Faith in front office restored.

[Seventyniner]

If Dieng got something in that neighbourhood we are definitely planning to run it back with DDR/Mills and possibly Gay. I hope we are not dumb enough to waste any long term capital midseason on a buyout for a backup center unless a DDR sign and trade is imminent.

I disagree here. The Spurs' max cap space (renouncing DDR/Gay/Mills/Lyles) is enough to max one veteran FA but not two. Carving out $4-5M for Dieng doesn't affect that. In fact, I think even if the Spurs hadn't gotten Dieng now, they would be willing to offer him that money in free agency. Having a decent center rotation set for the next two years at $15M per is pretty good imo.

I can't rule out a run-back with the idea of maximizing 2023 cap space, but by then enough of the young players will be on their second contracts that I don't think that will be easy.

[PrimeMinister]

I disagree here. The Spurs' max cap space (renouncing DDR/Gay/Mills/Lyles) is enough to max one veteran FA but not two. Carving out $4-5M for Dieng doesn't affect that. In fact, I think even if the Spurs hadn't gotten Dieng now, they would be willing to offer him that money in free agency. Having a decent center rotation set for the next two years at $15M per is pretty good imo.

I can't rule out a run-back with the idea of maximizing 2023 cap space, but by then enough of the young players will be on their second contracts that I don't think that will be easy.

The fear of Rudy and Demar returning on big deals is in my mind becoming a lot like relitigating the "Forbes and Marco are coming back" conversations from last season

Demar is more impactful than the rest of that field - but even then it seems pretty clear to me with the commitments to derrick and DJ that they are the presumptive leaders at least next year.

Knicks are backing up the truck for Demar. dying to be actually relevant and he's the guy on the market that fits. If Spurs and Derozan were headed toward a max or near max agreement demar would have locked it down already.

[Darius Bieber]

The fear of Rudy and Demar returning on big deals is in my mind becoming a lot like relitigating the "Forbes and Marco are coming back" conversations from last season

Demar is more impactful than the rest of that field - but even then it seems pretty clear to me with the commitments to derrick and DJ that they are the presumptive leaders at least next year.

Knicks are backing up the truck for Demar. dying to be actually relevant and he's the guy on the market that fits. If Spurs and Derozan were headed toward a max or near max agreement demar would have locked it down already.

Man, if Demar goes to the Knicks, the New York media is gonna tear into him anytime he sucks it up... The NY media doesn’t mess around.

[PrimeMinister]

Man, if Demar goes to the Knicks, the New York media is gonna tear into him anytime he sucks it up... The NY media doesn’t mess around.

its a very low bar for the knicks right now and Randle is their golden boy

if he's a part of some 4 seed knick teams that make a push for the second round he will be a hero at MSG tbh

[Prime BEEF]

I went to a university in tx but both of my parents went to Louisville and I grew up a Louisville fan. I’ve watched Gorgui for a longtime now.

Off the court he is a very smart guy and he’s extremely kind and uses his money small fame to give back to his home country and the surrounding area. However, he has done a lot to support Louisville and did a lot in Minnesota to support that community too. anyways he’s just a genuinely good dude.

on the court he’s an excellent rebounder and great defender. He does have some athletic ability but what makes him great is his mind. He has the ability to just to see things before they happen and is just somehow always in the right place. Also in college he was money offensively from the top of the key. He consistently nailed that shot. The Louisville guards would drive to the basket and if they got stuck they’d just kick it out to the top of the key and gorgui would hit it. That shot by gorgui was a huge crutch and bailout play for the 2013 championship team. In the nba gorgui expanded his range a ton but his bread and butter is still that top of the key shot. Oh he’s also a very good free throw shooter.

this a great pickup for the spurs which somewhat bugs me because I’m on team tank. Also Gorgui’s minutes were reduced due to the young franchise players they had at center on the twelves and griz. When he started for the twolves he did very well. I’m not convinced that Poetl is better than gorgui is right now. Poetl will get better I believe but you don’t lose ground at all when you bring gorgui in the game.

[PuzzBeterson]

He's Senegalese, he was just born in France. France is a white country


Smh

[KingKev]

I disagree here. The Spurs' max cap space (renouncing DDR/Gay/Mills/Lyles) is enough to max one veteran FA but not two. Carving out $4-5M for Dieng doesn't affect that. In fact, I think even if the Spurs hadn't gotten Dieng now, they would be willing to offer him that money in free agency. Having a decent center rotation set for the next two years at $15M per is pretty good imo.

I can't rule out a run-back with the idea of maximizing 2023 cap space, but by then enough of the young players will be on their second contracts that I don't think that will be easy.

My goal would to be maximize all optionality this off season given we have a potentially franchise changing summer ahead of us; cap space, young talent, bird rights on a borderline AS like DDR and draft capital. 5mm for Dieng already means a DDR extension and a 20mm player is off the table. We have, call it 7 quality backup players on this roster already. 0 all stars. A deep bench is worthless when you starting lineup is comparable.

[PrimeMinister]

My goal would to be maximize all optionality this off season given we have a potentially franchise changing summer ahead of us; cap space, young talent, bird rights on a borderline AS like DDR and draft capital. 5mm for Dieng already means a DDR extension and a 20mm player is off the table. We have, call it 7 quality backup players on this roster already. 0 all stars. A deep bench is worthless when you starting lineup is comparable.

this team is in a rebuilding phase right now whether or not fans recognize or understand it

making an overarching assessment about the construction of a team in that phase when a huge portion of those "quality backup players" are still on rookie deals or just beginning extensions is.... ridiculous.

go back to threads in 2012 and 2013 and see what the talk around Kawhi was like...

[KingKev]

this team is in a rebuilding phase right now whether or not fans recognize or understand it

making an overarching assessment about the construction of a team in that phase when a huge portion of those "quality backup players" are still on rookie deals or just beginning extensions is.... ridiculous.

go back to threads in 2012 and 2013 and see what the talk around Kawhi was like...

Not comparable. We are in a full blown rebuild, something we haven’t been in since the late 80s. We are perfectly positioned to make a leap into contention. Chipping away one average player at a time does not eventually win sans lottery picks; ie. David Robinson or Tim Duncan. I repeat: we have league leading cap space, young talent, a valuable sign and trade asset in DDR and draft capital. A decent GM worth half his pay grade should be able to turn that into a top 4 western conference team, regardless of how much of a B line city SA is or isn’t.

[PrimeMinister]

Not comparable. We are in a full blown rebuild, something we haven’t been in since the late 80s. We are perfectly positioned to make a leap into contention. Chipping away one average player at a time does not eventually win sans lottery picks; ie. David Robinson or Tim Duncan. I repeat: we have league leading cap space, young talent, a valuable sign and trade asset in DDR and draft capital. A decent GM worth half his pay grade should be able to turn that into a top 4 western conference team, regardless of how much of a B line city SA is or isn’t.

We have the potential for a franchise changing offseason but, and you will learn this, cap space and assets don’t mean there are the available pieces necessary to land anything with that space. Look at the landscape of 2021 free agency and we can revisit this in more detail.

Who is this magic sign and trade destination for derozan and what is the return? Think carefully, because the only sign and trade destination in the offseason in Boston with the right combination of TPE and young players to deal with is now off the market with Fournier’s acquisition.

So- let’s hear the plan. What is your blueprint with the cap space and sign and trade potential the spurs have to get on your preferred path. What team with lottery picks is Demar derozan agreeing to sign with so the spurs can land the prospect of your dreams.

also- remind me what slot Kawhi was picked at?

[Dejounte]

IMO, the Spurs have better trade assets this year than last if they want to move up the draft. However, since the draft is "stronger" this year, teams may be reluctant to trade their lottery pick this year. Then again, teams already with a ton of young talent may not want to add more to their group and instead wants to make win now moves. I see the Pelicans, Warriors, and maybe Pacers being under that category.

[duncan2150]

IMO, the Spurs have better trade assets this year than last if they want to move up the draft. However, since the draft is "stronger" this year, teams may be reluctant to trade their lottery pick this year. Then again, teams already with a ton of young talent may not want to add more to their group and instead wants to make win now moves. I see the Pelicans, Warriors, and maybe Pacers being under that category.


I'm ok with this, they can do a lot of things with this cap space during the draft. Signing fa could be difficult but taking back some contracts in order to move up in the draft or adding some other picks or taking a good player from a team who wants to clear the books a little bit... there are a lot of options on the table.

And with only two teams having nearly the same cap space, the spurs are in a perfect position next summer, we'll see what they will do.

[KingKev]

We have the potential for a franchise changing offseason but, and you will learn this, cap space and assets don’t mean there are the available pieces necessary to land anything with that space. Look at the landscape of the 2021 free agency and we can revisit this in more detail.

Who is this magic sign and trade destination for derozan and what is the return? Think carefully, because the only sign and trade destination in the offseason in Boston with the right combination of TPE and young players to deal with is now off the market with Fournier’s acquisition.

So- let’s hear the plan. What is your blueprint with the cap space and sign and trade potential the spurs have to get on your preferred path. What team with lottery picks is Demar derozan agreeing to sign with so the spurs can land the prospect of your dreams.

also- remind me what slot Kawhi was picked at?

google the term optionality clown. There are multiple teams who may be interested in DDR but can not pay him outright. He has a 38mm cap hold to begin with which already, potentially limits our ability to make moves when the clock strikes midnight if we want to work a sign and trade. I’m not mapping out 50 different scenarios as that is a waste of time but there probably are multiple scenarios that will be on the table. I am only hi-lighting the fact we are far from contention so we should value flexibility versus commitments that get us nowhere. Making long term commitments to backup players when your bench is flooded with backup talent is silly. Those are deals you make after you have your strategy in place. Fill out the front office before you hire back office folks to administrate. That is how my industry works. My opinion is we do not have a long term strategy in place.

Telling me to think carefully because there are no sign and trade options for DDR in the absence of Boston? What careful thought process lead you to that conclusion? I’ll think carefully. Do me a favour and just don’t think at all.

[PrimeMinister]

google the term optionality clown. There are multiple teams who may be interested in DDR but can not pay him outright. He has a 38mm cap hold to begin with which already, potentially limits our ability to make moves when the clock strikes midnight if we want to work a sign and trade. I’m not mapping out 50 different scenarios as that is a waste of time but there probably are multiple scenarios that will be on the table. I am only hi-lighting the fact we are far from contention so we should value flexibility versus commitments that get us nowhere. Making long term commitments to backup players when your bench is flooded with backup talent is silly. Those are deals you make after you have your strategy in place. Fill out the front office before you hire back office folks to administrate. That is how my industry works. My opinion is we do not have a long term strategy in place.

Telling me to think carefully because there are no sign and trade options for DDR in the absence of Boston? What careful thought process lead you to that conclusion? I’ll think carefully. Do me a favour and just don’t think at all.

a little big in the britches for having literally nothing of substance to add or response to anything I ask you

[Chinook]

Great find, thanks.

So it's possible that Shams' original $7.25 million is right. Woj's number was different because he gave the post-escrow number. Bobby Marks' conclusion could have been wrong because he misinterpreted Woj's wording. This is like a bad game of telephone :lol

Personally, no one I know has a firm number but now I'm starting to think that Aldridge did give up a substantial amount. Hopefully we get real, confirmed numbers soon so we don't have to keep guessing based off of tweets.

But, yeah, now the question is whether Dieng got some sort of multi-year deal. If he got a three-year, $12-15 million contract that is essentially a two-year $8-10 million contract after this season, that would explain a lot.

Yes, this is definitely the kind of sideways move I'd hoped the Spurs would look to make at the start of this thread. I will resist rabbit-holing in this thread, but hopefully if the Spurs have space to keep looking at other opportunities for that 15th spot. If they have a decent amount of salary space left over, they might be able to offer a large enough contract to not only take advantage of a surprise buyout but to induce one. It could be the case that Dieng agreed to a buyout solely because he already had a multi-year deal waiting for him. He's not the only fringe guy for whom a $10M/3 deals that's really just a $9M/2 would be enticing.

The MLE typically starts to pro rate on 01/10, I believe. No idea if it's pro-rating this year or how far long it is. Jones already took part of it, so there may not be that much left if Dieng took some himself.

[PrimeMinister]

IMO, the Spurs have better trade assets this year than last if they want to move up the draft. However, since the draft is "stronger" this year, teams may be reluctant to trade their lottery pick this year. Then again, teams already with a ton of young talent may not want to add more to their group and instead wants to make win now moves. I see the Pelicans, Warriors, and maybe Pacers being under that category.

See, Kev, this is what an informed response from a good poster looks like. Thank you, DJ.

I've said before if the spurs identify a prospect in the top of the draft that has 1A talent, everyone should be on the table. I can envision, however remote the possibility, that one of those teams would think about a package to trade down giving the spurs a higher pick. If one was to argue that is the spurs best course of action, I wouldn't really counter.

[KingKev]

See, Kev, this is what an informed response from a good poster looks like. Thank you, DJ.

I've said before if the spurs identify a prospect in the top of the draft that has 1A talent, everyone should be on the table. I can envision, however remote the possibility, that one of those teams would think about a package to trade down giving the spurs a higher pick. If one was to argue that is the spurs best course of action, I wouldn't really counter.

DJ is a smart fella. You are talking a pretty high level strategy in the above yourself; 0 specifics. My goal was never to talk specific trades as the trade deadline has already passed. I’m talking macro not micro. I’d like to go into the offseason full of dry powder. You should absolutely consider all draft day moves but also be positioned to resign or sign and trade DDR while signing or taking on another near max contract whether its free agency or via trade. Everything DJ suggested in the draft I agree with and we should be well positioned to execute.

[mo7888]

Just to add to the DDR S&T part of the discussion- I've seen reports today that the Knocks will make a run at him. That's a worst case scenario for us in regards to S&T I believe. They have the room to absorb him outright. If he prefers another destination then our opportunity to get an asset for him goes up.

[duncan2150]

But if we want a sign and trade for derozan we need to have his rights ? maybe more than 30 millions against our cap ?

[mo7888]

But if we want a sign and trade for derozan we need to have his rights ? maybe more than 30 millions against our cap ?

I wouldn't worry about his cap hold...if we decided we wanted to max out a RFA (Collins maybe) we could renounce the cap hold and move on.

[RC_Drunkford]

Just to add to the DDR S&T part of the discussion- I've seen reports today that the Knocks will make a run at him. That's a worst case scenario for us in regards to S&T I believe. They have the room to absorb him outright. If he prefers another destination then our opportunity to get an asset for him goes up.

I been saying that that would happen since last year tbh. As expected cause the Knicks are hot garbage and somehow like to fuck us over

[Truckules]

Just to add to the DDR S&T part of the discussion- I've seen reports today that the Knocks will make a run at him. That's a worst case scenario for us in regards to S&T I believe. They have the room to absorb him outright. If he prefers another destination then our opportunity to get an asset for him goes up.

The Knicks and Hornets are the two teams I worry about. The Knicks have lots of space but also lots of positions to fill, and I don't know if Demar would want to take a chance on the Knicks filling the rest of the roster with good players. I also don't know how much he would like playing for Thibs. The Hornets have ~$38 million and will need to sign a starting C but other than that they are pretty much set. Borrego's not been a coach for long, but he seems like someone that players like.

[mo7888]

I been saying that that would happen since last year tbh. As expected cause the Knicks are hot garbage and somehow like to fuck us over

I've thought it was likely as well...it's the one place outside of Toronto that he can join up with Lowry as well...I'd prefer to get an asset for him but I'm not to torn up if he ends up in NY either just because it is time to turn that page.

[KingKev]

I wouldn't worry about his cap hold...if we decided we wanted to max out a RFA (Collins maybe) we could renounce the cap hold and move on.

38mm cap hold. It’s a dilemma for sure. The goal for this summer should be maximizing all cap space before the rest of our youth requires an extension. We are in a sweet spot this off season and next to potentially
maximize cap space which means ideally you work a sign and trade for DDR or bring him back at a reasonable cost and pay a top tier RFA like Collins.

[mo7888]

38mm cap hold. It’s a dilemma for sure. The goal for this summer should be maximizing all cap space before the rest of our youth requires an extension. We are in a sweet spot this off season and next to potentially
maximize cap space which means ideally you work a sign and trade for DDR or bring him back at a reasonable cost and pay a top tier RFA like Collins.

I really don't think he's coming back for a reasonable contract. There will be teams that will start him over $30/yr... hopefully he chooses one without enough cap space so we can S&T but, if not we can use our cap space in other deals.

[exstatic]

I Really have a hard time seeing any palatable S&T for DD. After watching the trade deadline,no one is going to give us anything but scraps. I think we’ll either sign him, or wish him well.

[exstatic]

I really don't think he's coming back for a reasonable contract. There will be teams that will start him over $30/yr... hopefully he chooses one without enough cap space so we can S&T but, if not we can use our cap space in other deals.

The scuttlbutt is that it’s not the $$, it’s the length. He’ll be 31, and looking for his last pay day. Spurs probably only want him for two years.

[mo7888]

The scuttlbutt is that it’s not the $$, it’s the length. He’ll be 31, and looking for his last pay day. Spurs probably only want him for two years.

Agreed...

[duncan2150]

I wouldn't worry about his cap hold...if we decided we wanted to max out a RFA (Collins maybe) we could renounce the cap hold and move on.


But you can sign someone with the capspace and then resign him without his cap hold ? it's just that without his rights you can't do a sign and trade.

[mo7888]

But you can sign someone with the capspace and then resign him without his cap hold ? it's just that without his rights you can't do a sign and trade.

Yes, if we renounce we can't S&T...and if he picks one of the other 5 teams with enough cap space there wouldn't be a S&T either... most likely he walks and we use that money elsewhere.

[Prime BEEF]

I Really have a hard time seeing any palatable S&T for DD. After watching the trade deadline,no one is going to give us anything but scraps. I think we’ll either sign him, or wish him well.
Agreed

[cd021]

The scuttlbutt is that it’s not the $$, it’s the length. He’ll be 31, and looking for his last pay day. Spurs probably only want him for two years.
:tu
I could see the Spurs offering something in the neighborhood of 2 years, $60 million but he'd probably want 4 but willing to negotiate down to 3 but that could mean that the Spurs could be deep in the tax down the road if Walker has a big year 4, Keldon continues his upward trajectory and Luka turns out to be a good rotation player.

[cjw]

People need to stop worrying about the cap hold. They can and will carry it into the moratorium, and have a few days to get everything in order. Most likely they’ll have resigned him, he’ll want to go elsewhere and needs a S&T, or can sign elsewhere outright by the time the moratorium ends.

Demar’s cap hold also makes it unlikely they’ll chase a big RFA initially that’s likely to get matched. Having Demar’s cap hold is an asset.


:tu
I could see the Spurs offering something in the neighborhood of 2 years, $60 million but he'd probably want 4 but willing to negotiate down to 3 but that could mean that the Spurs could be deep in the tax down the road if Walker has a big year 4, Keldon continues his upward trajectory and Luka turns out to be a good rotation player.

If Walker has a big year 4 and you have to pay him, KJ and eventually Luka, you can always deal Demar at that point in time assuming he doesn’t fall off a cliff. Lack of three point shooting aside, his game should age decently.

[KingKev]

OP forgot to mention we already have a legit backup 5; an Austrian 7footer who can’t slam dunk. Next goal is acquiring a starting caliber 5.

[cd021]

People need to stop worrying about the cap hold. They can and will carry it into the moratorium, and have a few days to get everything in order. Most likely they’ll have resigned him, he’ll want to go elsewhere and needs a S&T, or can sign elsewhere outright by the time the moratorium ends.

Demar’s cap hold also makes it unlikely they’ll chase a big RFA initially that’s likely to get matched. Having Demar’s cap hold is an asset.



If Walker has a big year 4 and you have to pay him, KJ and eventually Luka, you can always deal Demar at that point in time assuming he doesn’t fall off a cliff. Lack of three point shooting aside, his game should age decently.

I don't have faith in the Spurs trading a player, especially if they've been on the team more than a few seasons, so I'm not in favor of that. They blundered the Aldridge situation but not moving him last deadline or in the off-season.

DeMar should age well but if Walker has a breakout year, Keldon takes a big leap in year three or four, and same for Luka then that 23-24 team could be super-expensive. I think they'll hold firm on two years but offer his the salary that he wants.

Otherwise they could do an S&T though I only see a few teams that would be options (i.e the L.A. teams, and the Bulls) though I think that's relatively unlikely.

[CGD]

Meh, I’m not holding my breath for a S&T. Plus the Spurs will already have a shit ton of capspace, so not sure how valuable a massive TE would be.

It’s time for that process to come to an end.