Beastie Boys doc review

[SpursforSix]

They had a decent run of good to great albums. My favorite was Check Yo Head.

The format was having the two surviving members up on stage in front of a live audience with cutting back and forth between historical clips and their comments. Which was interesting.
But ideally, I was hoping to come away with thinking, "these guys turned out all-right and are good dues".
The reality is that they come across as assholes that never grew up, regardless of what they say during the show. Adam Yauch/MCA (the dead BB) seemed to be the only one that had any kind of personal growth and the remaining two seem to be trying to piggy-back off his good will.

Not to mention that their success seemed to be totally attributable by Yauch and connecting with Rick Rubin at the right time.

In the end, I came away with thinking that Ad-Rock and Mike D were, and are still total assholes.

Maybe I'm wrong but it seemed like a put on and maybe they were trying to damper any claims of them being buttholes and misogynists.

[Spurtacular]

MCA and Mike D to a lesser degree had talent.
Dunno where they are on the a-hole charts.
But I don't think it's prudent to judge them through a 2021 filter.

Haven't seen the doc. Is that the one on Apple?

[Trill Clinton]

One of the most overrated groups in hip hop history tbh

[baseline bum]

One of the most overrated groups in hip hop history tbh

No way, everyone was bumping Licensed to Ill. Even Ice Cube bit the Beastie Boys style on his early CIA albums.

[Trill Clinton]

No way, everyone was bumping Licensed to Ill. Even Ice Cube bit the Beastie Boys style on his early CIA albums.

Actually I won't say they're overrated because I never see them mentioned in the best rap groups discussion. I guess they will be middle of the pack.

[Spurtacular]

One of the most overrated groups in hip hop history tbh

You're not black.

[Spurtacular]

Actually I won't say they're overrated because I never see them mentioned in the best rap groups discussion. I guess they will be middle of the pack.

Name the rap groups that are better than the Beastie Boys.

[SpursforSix]

Actually I won't say they're overrated because I never see them mentioned in the best rap groups discussion. I guess they will be middle of the pack.

Rolling Stone puts 2 of their albums in the top 10 all time hip hop. For what that’s worth.

[leemajors]

Name the rap groups that are better than the Beastie Boys.

EPMD, Eric B and Rakim are two off the top of my head, but I do like the Beastie Boys.

[Trill Clinton]

Rolling Stone puts 2 of their albums in the top 10 all time hip hop. For what that’s worth.

Can't take Rolling Stone serious when it comes to hip hophttps://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/hubie.png

[Spurtacular]

EPMD, Eric B and Rakim are two off the top of my head, but I do like the Beastie Boys.

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[Spurtacular]

Can't take Rolling Stone serious when it comes to hip hophttps://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/hubie.png


Or anything, except Obama killing their reporter for trying to expose the war machine.

But RS totally on the mark IMO. Though it helps that most rap albums are sheeet or something of the like though.

[ohmwrecker]

Beastie Boys are top 5 tbh

[Trill Clinton]

Groups better that BB:

Outkast
The Roots
Tribe Called Quest
NWA
UGK
Mobb Deep
Public Enemy
Clipse
BTNH
3-6 Mafia
Geto Boys

[SpursforSix]

Groups better that BB:

Outkast
The Roots
Tribe Called Quest
NWA
UGK
Mobb Deep
Public Enemy
Clipse
BTNH
3-6 Mafia
Geto Boys

After extensive research and polling, here's pretty much the consensus for top 5 hip hop groups / artists of all time.

1) Eminem
2) Beastie Boys
3) 3rd Bass
4) Kid Rock
5) Vanilla Ice

[SpursforSix]

Groups better that BB:

Outkast
The Roots
Tribe Called Quest
NWA
UGK
Mobb Deep
Public Enemy
Clipse
BTNH
3-6 Mafia
Geto Boys

But for real...you can't say the BB weren't a major influence on hip hop. Just like you can't say that Run DMC wasn't. Even though neither might make someone's modern day list of "best".

You can do the same thing with almost any genre of music. The later the artist, the more they have to build on. Until you get to the point where everything has been done and everything new is derivative.

Anyway, the point of this thread was really to rate the documentary.

[baseline bum]

Groups better that BB:

Outkast
The Roots
Tribe Called Quest
NWA
UGK
Mobb Deep
Public Enemy
Clipse
BTNH
3-6 Mafia
Geto Boys

Damn no love for BDP or Ultramagnetic?

[Trill Clinton]

After extensive research and polling, here's pretty much the consensus for top 5 hip hop groups / artists of all time.

1) Eminem
2) Beastie Boys
3) 3rd Bass
4) Kid Rock
5) Vanilla Ice

looks legit

[Trill Clinton]

But for real...you can't say the BB weren't a major influence on hip hop. Just like you can't say that Run DMC wasn't. Even though neither might make someone's modern day list of "best".

You can do the same thing with almost any genre of music. The later the artist, the more they have to build on. Until you get to the point where everything has been done and everything new is derivative.

Anyway, the point of this thread was really to rate the documentary.

Nah I agree they were. I think their impact is undeniable but as fair as actual skill goes, they're overrated. Same for Run DMC...horrible. you forgot to add Lil Wyte to your top groups list tbh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWHrnMgE4L4

[Trill Clinton]

Damn no love for BDP or Ultramagnetic?

I never got into them. I listed groups who's albums I own or grew up listening to.

[Adam Lambert]

I didn't think they came off as assholes at all. It was an interesting format for a TV doc, but I still liked it.

As for their music, I liked Licensed to Ill back in the day, but then I turned 17. Most of everything from Paul's Boutique on still holds up though.

They're a classic example of a group who didn't earn superstardom, but they made the best of it when they got there.

[Spurtacular]

But for real...you can't say the BB weren't a major influence on hip hop. Just like you can't say that Run DMC wasn't.

Yea, DMC and Aerosmith. Total game changers.

[Spurtacular]

I didn't think they came off as assholes at all. It was an interesting format for a TV doc, but I still liked it.

As for their music, I liked Licensed to Ill back in the day, but then I turned 17. Most of everything from Paul's Boutique on still holds up though.

They're a classic example of a group who didn't earn superstardom, but they made the best of it when they got there.

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[SpursforSix]

Nah I agree they were. I think their impact is undeniable but as fair as actual skill goes, they're overrated. Same for Run DMC...horrible. you forgot to add Lil Wyte to your top groups list tbh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWHrnMgE4L4

I mean...that was kind of my point. Of course today, we look at the early raps as pretty pedantic. Just like one could say that Hendrix (or Page, Beck, Robert Johnson, etc...) wasn't a great guitar player by today's standards. But at their time, they were at the top. Now any decent guitar player can play anything those guys every did. So are they not all time greats? Hendrix still has to be on that list. Even if there are 20 better iterations with superior technical skills.

[SpursforSix]

I didn't think they came off as assholes at all. It was an interesting format for a TV doc, but I still liked it.

As for their music, I liked Licensed to Ill back in the day, but then I turned 17. Most of everything from Paul's Boutique on still holds up though.

They're a classic example of a group who didn't earn superstardom, but they made the best of it when they got there.

I hated "Fight For Your Right" but there were some good cuts on that album. For me, Paul's Boutique and Check Yo' Head were pretty damn good. Anything after was OK but not as good as those two. But that also might have a lot to do with where I was at.

[SpursforSix]

Yea, DMC and Aerosmith. Total game changers.

That definitely opened up a new audience but Raising Hell was a great album without that song.

[benefactor]

Groups better that BB:

Outkast
The Roots
Tribe Called Quest
NWA
UGK
Mobb Deep
Public Enemy
Clipse
BTNH
3-6 Mafia
Geto Boys
Eightball & MJG too

[baseline bum]

Eightball & MJG too


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzmfB5iDxLk

Damn Eightball is fire to begin this track, completely outshines Mr Mike on his own album.

[Adam Lambert]

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What are you struggling to understand, exactly?

"Didn't earn their superstardom" - The Beastie Boys got famous on the strength of being marketable (white) Run DMC clones and briefly became the faces of Rap because MTV wasn't playing rap music by black artists. Their first album was a Rubin production, he could have used anybody and made the same album.

"Made the best of it when they got there" - Paul's Boutique and everything after was much more original, interesting, and good. They made good art instead of making repeated copies of Ill, even though it cost them some sales.

[Spurtacular]

Groups better that BB:

Outkast
The Roots
Tribe Called Quest
NWA
UGK
Mobb Deep
Public Enemy
Clipse
BTNH
3-6 Mafia
Geto Boys


Eightball & MJG too



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzmfB5iDxLk

Damn Eightball is fire to begin this track, completely outshines Mr Mike on his own album.

You faggots got to be trollin'. :lol

[Spurtacular]

What are you struggling to understand, exactly?

"Didn't earn their superstardom" - The Beastie Boys got famous on the strength of being marketable (white) Run DMC clones and briefly became the faces of Rap because MTV wasn't playing rap music by black artists. Their first album was a Rubin production, he could have used anybody and made the same album.

"Made the best of it when they got there" - Paul's Boutique and everything after was much more original, interesting, and good. They made good art instead of making repeated copies of Ill, even though it cost them some sales.

Are they just marketable white people or did they make a kick-ass album that holds up?

You're struggling so much, Sadbert.

[benefactor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzmfB5iDxLk

Damn Eightball is fire to begin this track, completely outshines Mr Mike on his own album.
He and MJG did that on the regular. He went bar for bar with Crime Boss on Chemical Imbalance and they murdered Mase on The Player Way. He went hard on Mr 3-2's song Hit the Highway too

[benefactor]

Ball & G could out write The Beastie Boys in their sleep. Outkast too.

[benefactor]

They work this shit out too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8jm8i2uues

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Just like one could say that Hendrix (or Page, Beck, Robert Johnson, etc...) wasn't a great guitar player by today's standards.

uh duh fuk

[Spurtacular]

Ball & G could out write The Beastie Boys in their sleep. Outkast too.

We get it. You're into black guys.

[SpursforSix]

uh duh fuk

From a technical standpoint. Although Beck is certainly at a different level there.

[MultiTroll]

Who plays guitar on Fight for your Right?

Ad Roc or a hired gun?

[SpursforSix]

Who plays guitar on Fight for your Right?

Ad Roc or a hired gun?

There's no way of knowing.

[MultiTroll]

There's no way of knowing.
per Wiki it was Kerry King, Slayers lead guitarist.

Kerry King - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_King)

[SpursforSix]

per Wiki it was Kerry King, Slayers lead guitarist.

Kerry King - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_King)

So instead of doing that first, you asked SpursTalk where someone else could do it for you.

[MultiTroll]

So instead of doing that first, you asked SpursTalk where someone else could do it for you.
With the SpursesTalk hardkowre rappers i thought one of you might have some accurate info.

Or some additional info beyond Wiki.
Like, "ya when the Beasties played in Houston i was at HEB and talked to Mike D and Kerry on isle 12."

[Dirks_Finale]

And N2Deep, House of Pain and Insane Clown Posse round out the top 8.


After extensive research and polling, here's pretty much the consensus for top 5 hip hop groups / artists of all time.

1) Eminem
2) Beastie Boys
3) 3rd Bass
4) Kid Rock
5) Vanilla Ice

[Dirks_Finale]

Like 9 of those are definitely better than Beastie Boys.



Groups better that BB:

Outkast
The Roots
Tribe Called Quest
NWA
UGK
Mobb Deep
Public Enemy
Clipse
BTNH
3-6 Mafia
Geto Boys

[SpursforSix]

And N2Deep, House of Pain and Insane Clown Posse round out the top 8.

That's where it gets debatable and why I didn't bring them up. Many would try to wedge House of Pain into the top 5 based on a couple of "hits".
But if you dig deep, Vanilla Ice had far superior flow. Listen to Ice's deep cuts and you'll know what I mean.

You could even throw Debra Harry into the conversation although she only had one real rap. But it's pretty iconic. You have to ask...if there was no Blondie, would there be an NWA?

[Dirks_Finale]

That's where it gets debatable and why I didn't bring them up. Many would try to wedge House of Pain into the top 5 based on a couple of "hits".
But if you dig deep, Vanilla Ice had far superior flow. Listen to Ice's deep cuts and you'll know what I mean.

You could even throw Debra Harry into the conversation although she only had one real rap. But it's pretty iconic. You have to ask...if there was no Blondie, would there be an NWA?

Yeah, Vanilla Ice gets clowned on all the time, but the guy could spit and everyone was bumping his sh1t back in the day, even though they won't admit it now. :lol.

And no Vanilla Ice, then no Death Row records which means no east/west rivalry and Big and 2Pac are probably still here. That guy is more legendary then people realize.

[Spurtacular]

Who plays guitar on Fight for your Right?

Ad Roc or a hired gun?

Ad Roc plays it live.

And that's what makes some of these comments amusing.

The Beastie Boys were actual musicians as opposed to some off the street ass clowns and their cheap producers.

Many of their tracks were instrumentals. Listen to Sabotage; wicked backing.

[SpursforSix]

Yeah, Vanilla Ice gets clowned on all the time, but the guy could spit and everyone was bumping his sh1t back in the day, even though they won't admit it now. :lol.

And no Vanilla Ice, then no Death Row records which means no east/west rivalry and Big and 2Pac are probably still here. That guy is more legendary then people realize.

Word.

[MultiTroll]

Ad Roc plays it live.

And that's what makes some of these comments amusing.

The Beastie Boys were actual musicians as opposed to some off the street ass clowns and their cheap producers.

Many of their tracks were instrumentals. Listen to Sabotage; wicked backing.
Will check out.
But as to many bands, even mega super well known bands....they didn't always come up with their own chit.

Hired Gun.
If you have not already seen it:

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTJkZDRkZjItMzg4Ny00OGM2LWFlODMtMmRlYjQxYzE4Nj cyXkEyXkFqcGdeQXRoaXJkLXBhcnR5LXZpZGVvLXVwZGF0ZXI@ ._V1_.jpg

Piped in guitars has also happened, it's not just lip sync that music biz uses.

*Not saying Beastie Mike did not write or play his own studio and live.

[SpursforSix]

Will check out.
But as to many bands, even mega super well known bands....they didn't always come up with their own chit.

Hired Gun.
If you have not already seen it:

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTJkZDRkZjItMzg4Ny00OGM2LWFlODMtMmRlYjQxYzE4Nj cyXkEyXkFqcGdeQXRoaXJkLXBhcnR5LXZpZGVvLXVwZGF0ZXI@ ._V1_.jpg

Piped in guitars has also happened, it's not just lip sync that music biz uses.

*Not saying Beastie Mike did not write or play his own studio and live.

Hired Gun was great. If you liked that, I'd also recommend, 20 Feet From Stardom, which focusing on background singers.

[leemajors]

Ad Roc plays it live.

And that's what makes some of these comments amusing.

The Beastie Boys were actual musicians as opposed to some off the street ass clowns and their cheap producers.

Many of their tracks were instrumentals. Listen to Sabotage; wicked backing.

Flavor Flav can play more instruments himself than all the Beastie Boys combined, who cares.

[Spurtacular]

Will check out.
But as to many bands, even mega super well known bands....they didn't always come up with their own chit.

Hired Gun.
If you have not already seen it:

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTJkZDRkZjItMzg4Ny00OGM2LWFlODMtMmRlYjQxYzE4Nj cyXkEyXkFqcGdeQXRoaXJkLXBhcnR5LXZpZGVvLXVwZGF0ZXI@ ._V1_.jpg

Piped in guitars has also happened, it's not just lip sync that music biz uses.

*Not saying Beastie Mike did not write or play his own studio and live.

Beastie Boys used outside musicians; but they were solid musicians in their own right.
They play instruments all throughout their concerts.

Watched this interview a few years back. it's good. Ad Rock was very into serious music from the start despite the somewhat gimmicky nature of their music at times.

"I always find it strange that musicians don't make their own music."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23ZlUOeiCqo

[SpursforSix]

MCA and Mike D to a lesser degree had talent.
Dunno where they are on the a-hole charts.
But I don't think it's prudent to judge them through a 2021 filter.

Haven't seen the doc. Is that the one on Apple?

Regardless of rap talent, from what I understand, MCA was the one who thought they should play their own instruments. He's also pretty funky on bass. I don't think we get Paul's Boutique or Check Yo' Head without him.
And certainly not Sabotage. Yeah...it's on Apple.