View Full Version : Is Pops all time most losses in Playoffs an untouchable record?
MultiTroll
04-08-2021, 05:18 PM
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With most of the top 20 being permanently retired (barring a miracle), it appears it would be decades -if ever.
For you Pop Haters who think this diminishes him, bear in mind a coach has to be in the playoffs in order to lose them. As you can see thus most of the top 20 losses are also in the top 20 for wins. Pop is by far the Most 1st Round Outs coach another possibly untouchable record.
Pops % has sadly dropped to .599 as he stubbornly refuses to accept a front office entitlement position.
.599 = 14th for playoff win %.
Entire chart link:
NBA Coach Register | Basketball-Reference.com (basketball-reference.com) (https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/NBA_stats.html)
MultiTroll
04-08-2021, 05:23 PM
1 Gregg Popovich 114 .599
2 Pat Riley 111 .606
3 George Karl 105 .432
4 Phil Jackson* 104 .688
5 Jerry Sloan 104 .485
6 Lenny Wilkens 98 .449
7 Larry Brown 93 .518
8 Don Nelson 91 .452
9 Doc Rivers 89 .506
10 Rick Adelman 78 .503
MultiTroll
04-08-2021, 05:28 PM
Still active
89 Doc Rivers
66 Rick Carlisle
54 Erik Spoelstra
GAustex
04-08-2021, 05:34 PM
Tim Duncan is an all time great.
Spurtacular
04-08-2021, 05:48 PM
It's not a record that will speak to the casual when the win percent is .599.
Even for non casuals, it is hard to argue against that too hard.
Floyd Pacquiao
04-08-2021, 05:53 PM
What’s pops playoff record without Duncan?
MultiTroll
04-08-2021, 06:06 PM
What’s pops playoff record without Duncan?
W/O Duncan
&
W/O Prime Kawhi will be an answer.
daslicer
04-08-2021, 06:10 PM
What’s pops playoff record without Duncan?
He got to ride Kawhi for one year after Duncan retired. His playoff record post Kawhi is 4-8.
He got to ride Kawhi for one year after Duncan retired. His playoff record post Kawhi is 4-8.
4-11 post-Zaza (or 12 depending on how you want to treat game 1). Though they did win the prior game without Kawhi.
Whatever happened to OP not posting in the Spurs forum under that alt?
MultiTroll
04-08-2021, 08:07 PM
4-11 post-Zaza (or 12 depending on how you want to treat game 1). Though they did win the prior game without Kawhi.
4-12. Pop and Softridge get the game 1 loss guaranteed.
Ya the game before cliching vs Houston was a thing of beauty. Rookie DJ Murray going off for 11/10/5 in only 24 minutes.
Softridge shooting well. Johny Simmons ballin.
Popped limiting Bryn Forbes to 4 minutes even tho it meant sleeping on the couch that night.
Good times.
Spurs were rolling to the 2017 Championship.
166-102
MultiTroll
04-08-2021, 08:10 PM
What’s pops playoff record without Duncan?
166-102 with Duncan and Prime Kawhi.
Unless Duncan missed some playoff games.
*This includes Duncan forced to have Matt Bonner as the starting PF in some playoff games which were predictably lost.
exstatic
04-08-2021, 08:14 PM
Doc will get it if he coaches long enough. He’s barely over .500
ElNono
04-09-2021, 05:48 AM
Doc will get it if he coaches long enough. He’s barely over .500
this. Doc has a great shot at it...
BatManu20
04-09-2021, 08:12 AM
Doc will beat this record as well as the all-time wins record. He’s only 59 and he only coaches contenders (Orlando, Boston, Clippers, Sixers, etc).
Fireball
04-09-2021, 08:22 AM
thats as dumb as the statistic about Kobe missing more FGs than anybody else ...
MultiTroll
04-09-2021, 09:05 AM
thats as dumb as the statistic about Kobe missing more FGs than anybody else ...
You mean you think Pops record is as ridiculously unbeatable as Kobes?
Well true, but as the guys have mentioned Doc Rivers is mathematically within range.
MultiTroll
04-09-2021, 09:12 AM
Doc will get it if he coaches long enough. He’s barely over .500
this. Doc has a great shot at it...
Doc will beat this record as well as the all-time wins record. He’s only 59 and he only coaches contenders (Orlando, Boston, Clippers, Sixers, etc).
Very true. After the 6ers underachieve Doc will probably find another owner who falls for it. Or just milk Balmer for years. Guy must be unreal in interviews. Or knows where the bodies are.
But how many more years can and will Pop add to his total? Or will he make the playoffs ever again? Conceivable Pop coaches 5 more years? (no trolling)
Should Pop be allowed to coach until he passes away? - Page 2 (spurstalk.com) (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289896&page=2&p=10475810#post10475810)
Rick Carlisle have a long term shot if Cuban adds another prime player and cast to go with Doncic?
exstatic
04-09-2021, 09:15 AM
Very true. After the 6ers underachieve Doc will probably find another owner who falls for it. Or just milk Balmer for years. Guy must be unreal in interviews. Or knows where the bodies are.
But how many more years can and will Pop add to his total? Or will he make the playoffs ever again? Conceivable Pop coaches 5 more years? (no trolling)
Should Pop be allowed to coach until he passes away? - Page 2 (spurstalk.com) (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289896&page=2&p=10475810#post10475810)
Rick Carlisle have a long term shot if Cuban adds another prime player and cast to go with Doncic?
He could end up doing it with the 76ers. He’s 25 behind, and that could be done in 3-4 playoff runs.
KobesAchilles
04-09-2021, 09:35 AM
Does Pop really have more 1st round exits than Jerry Sloan? Idk why but I find that hard to believe.
*** edit** I looked it up. Lenny Wilkens has 9 first round exits. Doc Rivers, Rick Adelman, and Jerry Sloan have 8 first round exits. Carlisle has 7
Pop only has 6 which is tied with Larry Brown
MultiTroll
04-09-2021, 10:39 AM
^ nicely done.
I often miscount the 2010 sweep by the Suns as 1st round. (It was 2nd round.)
KobesAchilles
04-09-2021, 11:46 AM
^ nicely done.
I often miscount the 2010 sweep by the Suns as 1st round. (It was 2nd round.)
I somehow missed the KING OF FIRST ROUND EXITS!!! George Karl has 14 first round exits :lol
KobesAchilles
04-09-2021, 11:48 AM
Also Flip Saunders and Nate McMillan have 7 and 8 first round exits respectively. Pop only having 6 seems like quite the achievement tbh
daslicer
04-09-2021, 12:32 PM
Also Flip Saunders and Nate McMillan have 7 and 8 first round exits respectively. Pop only having 6 seems like quite the achievement tbh
I would say Nate and Flip having that many first round exits isn’t shocking since they coached mostly threadmill teams that were first round teams. Phil Jackson in comparison to Pop only has two first round exits.
He's also 2 away from having the most playoff wins of all time, so....I think this just shows he has coached a lot of playoff games. Which means he has been very successful in his career of getting his team to the playoffs.
But I get it, any excuse to bash Pop and what not. So trendy. Very bold of you.
paperboy77
04-09-2021, 12:53 PM
Still active
89 Doc Rivers
66 Rick Carlisle
54 Erik Spoelstra
Docs got a really good chance to surpass gramps.
KobesAchilles
04-09-2021, 01:24 PM
I would say Nate and Flip having that many first round exits isn’t shocking since they coached mostly threadmill teams that were first round teams. Phil Jackson in comparison to Pop only has two first round exits.
Phil Jackson also had the greatest player of all time. And two top 10 players of all time on the same team. Though I do believe that I would rather have Phil coach than Pop just bc the goal is winning and he won the most. Plus he made it to the Finals like 14 times? 13? Something ridiculous like that.
I compare Pop more to Pat Riley and Riles had 5 first round exits so Pop is right there with him
exstatic
04-09-2021, 01:51 PM
I would say Nate and Flip having that many first round exits isn’t shocking since they coached mostly threadmill teams that were first round teams. Phil Jackson in comparison to Pop only has two first round exits.
Both teams Phil took over, the Bulls and the Lakers, had made it to a conference finals before he took the reins. You’ll notice that he wanted no part of coaching the Knicks, taking the FO job instead. He only wanted near perfect situations.
spurs10
04-09-2021, 01:56 PM
Yes if you appear in the playoffs for decade upon decade you have a chance of having some losses in with the wins. The Spurs won 5 championships in a 15 year period. That is insane.
GAustex
04-09-2021, 02:16 PM
^ I know right! Tim Duncan is a total badass
Ed Helicopter Jones
04-09-2021, 02:50 PM
^ I know right! Tim Duncan is a total badass
Losses are on the coach and wins are because of the player...correct?
GAustex
04-09-2021, 03:02 PM
No loses suck. Loses in the playoffs suck worse and Tim Duncan is the reason they were there in the first place not poop.
No loses suck. Loses in the playoffs suck worse and Tim Duncan is the reason they were there in the first place not poop.
Reading comprehension: F
exstatic
04-09-2021, 06:09 PM
Reading comprehension: F
GAustex
04-09-2021, 07:02 PM
Spurs won 5 chips in 15 due to Tim. Sniff away coach crotch sniffers
exstatic
04-09-2021, 07:04 PM
Spurs won 5 chips in 15 due to Tim. Sniff away coach crotch sniffers
You still haven’t answered the question he asked. That’s why we’re mocking your reading comp.
GAustex
04-09-2021, 07:12 PM
I responded to Spurs10 above my initial post. And then reiterated. If you mean 'Copters question then you get a lot of loses if you get there a lot which is what Tim enabled.
Its fundamental like Tim.
Pop has lots of wins and lots of loses cause of Tim.
daslicer
04-09-2021, 10:09 PM
Phil Jackson also had the greatest player of all time. And two top 10 players of all time on the same team. Though I do believe that I would rather have Phil coach than Pop just bc the goal is winning and he won the most. Plus he made it to the Finals like 14 times? 13? Something ridiculous like that.
I compare Pop more to Pat Riley and Riles had 5 first round exits so Pop is right there with him
In the NBA coaching is very overrated. I have always looked at it this way that if Phil,Pop,Riley didn't get to coach the guys they coached they would be nobodies. You can knock Phil for having Michael,Shaq, Kobe but Pop would not have been successful without Duncan either who is a top 5 in my eyes.
daslicer
04-09-2021, 10:10 PM
Both teams Phil took over, the Bulls and the Lakers, had made it to a conference finals before he took the reins. You’ll notice that he wanted no part of coaching the Knicks, taking the FO job instead. He only wanted near perfect situations.
And look at Pop without a top 5 all time great what has he done the last few years? Nothing other than meaningless first round exits and most likely back to back lottery appearances.
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