Official San Antonio Spurs 2021 Free Agency Discussion Thread

[look_at_g_shred]

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[Degoat]

I hope there’s a summer league this year, that’s honestly one of my favorite parts of the NBA

[ace3g]

3 point shooting and defensive versatility are attributes we should focus on in FA/draft.

I quickly looked through some of the players available (not all fit the criteria above).

Gary Trent Jr.
Bobby Portis
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Juan Toscano-Anderson

and of course.... BOBAN!!!!

[RC_Drunkford]

Definitely keep an eye on players over 32. You know Pop will want some vets

[timvp]

Let's use this as the free agency thread :tu

[TD 21]

I'm going to presume there's a better chance than not that Mills and Dieng are re-signed and that DeRozan, Gay and Lyles are almost certainly gone, while Weatherspoon and Bates-Diop probably are too.

Needs and candidates . . .

Shot creation: Fournier, Dinwiddie (P/O).

Volume 3-point shooting: Hardaway Jr., McDermott, Robinson (R), Forbes (P/O), Korkmaz, Galloway, Mykhailiuk (R), Niang.

Starting four/big wing: Collins (RFA), Markkanen (R), Batum, Porter Jr.

[Dejounte]

Will Barton
Evan Fournier
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Markkanen (since Collins is unrealistic)
Nicholas Batum
Furkan Korkmaz
Doug McDermott

[duncan2150]

One of Mc Dermott or Fournier plus Markannen could be good. I would not mind Tim Hardaway Jr also.

[R. DeMurre]

The perception of Batum sure has changed in the last few months.

[Dejounte]

The perception of Batum sure has changed in the last few months.

We need to always be on the lookout for unmotivated skilled French players.

[mo7888]

Will Barton
Evan Fournier
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Markkanen (since Collins is unrealistic)
Nicholas Batum
Furkan Korkmaz
Doug McDermott

Of that group I'll take Lauri as my big....then Fournier next since he's can create and is a proficient 3 point sniper...

THJ and Barton next

Batum last but would be nice to have if he's cheap

[R. DeMurre]

A few I'm watching:

Paul Reed
Isaac Bonga
Doug McDermott
Rodions Kurucs
Nemanja Bjelica


Tiny tiny sample size of only 4 games & 30 minutes, but since being traded to the Bucks, Kurucs is per 36 averaging 15.6 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 4.8 spg, & 3.6 spg. Feels like he's been around forever but is still only 22. I really liked him as a 20 year old rookie on Brooklyn w/ tons of energy.

[Dejounte]

A few I'm watching:

Paul Reed
Isaac Bonga
Doug McDermott
Rodions Kurucs
Nemanja Bjelica


Tiny tiny sample size of only 4 games & 30 minutes, but since being traded to the Bucks, Kurucs is per 36 averaging 15.6 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 4.8 spg, & 3.6 spg. Feels like he's been around forever but is still only 22. I really liked him as a 20 year old rookie on Brooklyn w/ tons of energy.

Paul Reed is no longer a free agent. They signed him to a 3 year deal.

[R. DeMurre]

Paul Reed is no longer a free agent. They signed him to a 3 year deal.

Damn. I really like him. How much did he get?

[slick'81]

New contract for gay,derozan and patty coming right up.

[RC_Drunkford]

Udonis Haslem (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2549/)
MIA (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/107/cap/)

PF
41





Andre Iguodala (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2652/)
MIA (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/107/cap/)
SF
37



J.J. Redick (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2643/)
DAL (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/98/cap/)
SG
37


Carmelo Anthony (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2283/)
POR (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/116/cap/)
PF
37



Chris Paul (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2609/)
PHX (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/115/cap/)
PG
36


Trevor Ariza (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2513/)
MIA (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/107/cap/)
SF
36


Paul Millsap (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2754/)
DEN (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/99/cap/)
PF
36


P.J. Tucker (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/11059/)
MIL (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/108/cap/)
PF
36



Jared Dudley (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2228/)
LAL (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/105/cap/)
SF
36


Taj Gibson (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6278/)
NYK (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/112/cap/)
PF
36


Kyle Lowry (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2536/)

TOR (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/120/cap/)
PG
35



Goran Dragic (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6146/)

MIA (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/107/cap/)
PG
35





Garrett Temple (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6492/)

CHI (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/64/cap/)
SG
35




Jeff Green (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2720/)





we'll sign at least 2 of these guys 35 and over

[exstatic]

Paul Reed is no longer a free agent. They signed him to a 3 year deal.

League minimum, and no money guaranteed after this year. He could well be a FA this summer if they need cap room.

This is the kind of signing I want us to look at, someone who will vastly outperform their contract, not underperform it. I loved what I saw of hm in the game against the Spurs in the Gubble.

[Leetonidas]

Any good euro/international prospects Spurs could be looking to sign from overseas?

[mo7888]

Any good euro/international prospects Spurs could be looking to sign from overseas?

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-executives-scouts-vote-top-international-players-nikola-mirotic/

Ace put this up earlier today..

[kht]

Knowing us, it'll be an old fuck lol like Pau Gasol.

[GAustex]

Udonis Haslem (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2549/)
MIA (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/107/cap/)
PF
41





Andre Iguodala (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2652/)
MIA (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/107/cap/)
SF
37



J.J. Redick (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2643/)
DAL (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/98/cap/)
SG
37


Carmelo Anthony (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2283/)
POR (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/116/cap/)
PF
37


Chris Paul (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2609/)
PHX (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/115/cap/)
PG
36


Trevor Ariza (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2513/)
MIA (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/107/cap/)
SF
36


Paul Millsap (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2754/)
DEN (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/99/cap/)
PF
36


P.J. Tucker (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/11059/)
MIL (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/108/cap/)
PF
36



Jared Dudley (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2228/)
LAL (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/105/cap/)
SF
36


Taj Gibson (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6278/)
NYK (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/112/cap/)
PF
36


Kyle Lowry (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2536/)
TOR (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/120/cap/)
PG
35


Goran Dragic (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6146/)
MIA (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/107/cap/)
PG
35




Garrett Temple (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6492/)
CHI (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/64/cap/)
SG
35



Jeff Green (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2720/)




we'll sign at least 2 of these guys 35 and over
gross

[KobesAchilles]

Sign Dragic to the MLE
sign Markawhatever
sign DDR to a 2 year max with a 3rd year team option

[exstatic]

Sign Dragic to the MLE
sign Markawhatever
sign DDR to a 2 year max with a 3rd year team option

You lose the MLE when you go way under the cap. I’d rather throw 2 years at CP3 than sign Dragic. No to DDR, or at most, two years.

[KobesAchilles]

You lose the MLE when you go way under the cap. I’d rather throw 2 years at CP3 than sign Dragic. No to DDR, or at most, two years.
I just kinda assumed that signing DDR and Markahwateve would put us at the cap. I wanted CP3 last year but he’s way too expensive. Do we have to use the cap? Jw. Bc I’m all for not doing anything except signing Mark to his deal

[poopbox]

Udonis Haslem (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2549/)
MIA (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/107/cap/)
PF
41





Andre Iguodala (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2652/)
MIA (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/107/cap/)
SF
37



J.J. Redick (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2643/)
DAL (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/98/cap/)
SG
37


Carmelo Anthony (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2283/)
POR (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/116/cap/)
PF
37


Chris Paul (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2609/)
PHX (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/115/cap/)
PG
36


Trevor Ariza (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2513/)
MIA (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/107/cap/)
SF
36


Paul Millsap (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2754/)
DEN (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/99/cap/)
PF
36


P.J. Tucker (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/11059/)
MIL (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/108/cap/)
PF
36



Jared Dudley (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2228/)
LAL (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/105/cap/)
SF
36


Taj Gibson (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6278/)
NYK (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/112/cap/)
PF
36


Kyle Lowry (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2536/)
TOR (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/120/cap/)
PG
35


Goran Dragic (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6146/)
MIA (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/107/cap/)
PG
35




Garrett Temple (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6492/)
CHI (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/64/cap/)
SG
35



Jeff Green (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2720/)




we'll sign at least 2 of these guys 35 and over

I can definitely see us signing milsap to be the new Rudy :cry

[look_at_g_shred]

I'm also team Hardaway. This team needs shooting and he provides that.

[RC_Drunkford]

This team needs a new headcoach, 2 new assistant coaches, a new GM, a Power Forward, and a Small Forward with a 3-point shot

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1385737065812217859?s=19

Yikes

Hope he's not a S&T target.

[Mr. Body]

I couldn't stand Jason Terry and I've never been in the same room as him.

[The Truth #6]

Weird that Cuban would divulge this. But that’s probably just his style.

[TD 21]

Still think it'll be Mills decision whether to return or sign with a pseudo contender and I realize they heavily value his supposed off court value, but it doesn't make sense to give a small guard at the tail end of his prime, who'll be coming off playing in the Olympics, 3/$30-36M when they could sign Forbes, whose a half decade younger, for half or even less the price.

Shooting a blistering 43.9% from 3 on significant volume, no reason to think he won't decline his relatively paltry $2.45 M p/o and the Bucks, already slated to be in the tax, can't afford to give him a raise (and have two lower cost, younger shooters signed in 2nd rounders Nwora and Merrill).

This would also open up more minutes for Jones.

[exstatic]

Still think it'll be Mills decision whether to return or sign with a pseudo contender and I realize they heavily value his supposed off court value, but it doesn't make sense to give a small guard at the tail end of his prime, who'll be coming off playing in the Olympics, 3/$30-36M when they could sign Forbes, whose a half decade younger, for half or even less the price.

Shooting a blistering 43.9% from 3 on significant volume, no reason to think he won't decline his relatively paltry $2.45 M p/o and the Bucks, already slated to be in the tax, can't afford to give him a raise (and have two lower cost, younger shooters signed in 2nd rounders Nwora and Merrill).

This would also open up more minutes for Jones.

Or, they could just PLAY Vassel, instead of ruining a fixed mistake by reacquiring the no defense Forbes.

[talkspurs]

Nathan Knight could be someone to look at.

[TD 21]

Or, they could just PLAY Vassel, instead of ruining a fixed mistake by reacquiring the no defense Forbes.

Vassell is going to play, but probably more so at the expense of Walker IV (who likely needs to play his way into the long term plans at this point).

They need as much shooting as they can get and as a 15-20 mpg backup, no longer played alongside fellow defensive liabilities, he'd be fine.

They're not just going to replace Mills and Gay in the rotation with Vassell and Samanic.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/MacPena/status/1270075491878342656?s=19

Could Spencer become a Spur this offseason? He'd probably be my favorite free agent out of JC, Lauri, etc...

Pop loves his three guard line-ups, and they wouldn't be half bad if Mills wasn't a part of them.

Obviously depends on the price. I'd love to get him at Derrick's rate of $17 mil a year.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/dfllqLqAZak

"Tech guy with a jumper" lmao

Maybe since SA is close to Austin, he'd be interested...

[Dejounte]

BZUI6lLBKOo

Hmmm.....

[TD 21]

Another name to keep an eye on is Nunn (R). They Heat have bigger fish to fry and given his sporadic role, have never seemed entirely sold on him.

He's a quintessential 6th man (undersized two, scorer/shooter).



https://twitter.com/MacPena/status/1270075491878342656?s=19

Could Spencer become a Spur this offseason? He'd probably be my favorite free agent out of JC, Lauri, etc...

Pop loves his three guard line-ups, and they wouldn't be half bad if Mills wasn't a part of them.

Obviously depends on the price. I'd love to get him at Derrick's rate of $17 mil a year.


He's a shameless self promoter (between his connections to White and Marks, they should have a good sense of whether he'd fit though), but I've got him as a candidate all the same because he makes his off season home in San Antonio and his latest torn ACL likely means he'll probably only be able to command something like a 2 year (p/o) contract, which is ideal.

He's not a shooter, but he'll at least attempt volume 3's and is (was?) adept at getting to the rim/line and making plays.

[Dejounte]

He's a shameless self promoter (between his connections to White and Marks, they should have a good sense of whether he'd fit though), but I've got him as a candidate all the same because he makes his off season home in San Antonio and his latest torn ACL likely means he'll probably only be able to command something like a 2 year (p/o) contract, which is ideal.

He's not a shooter, but he'll at least attempt volume 3's and is (was?) adept at getting to the rim/line and making plays.

Based off that podcast I just finished listening to, Spencer sounds like an immensely intellectual individual (relative to most athletes). I think he's simply aware of who he is as a basketball player.

I read that a $17 mil contract brings $85 mil of tax to the Nets if he is kept -- if there was any doubt he's not leaving the Nets after this season. I know their owner is one of the richest, but still.

https://twitter.com/SBondyNYDN/status/1374423829489938433

Thinking Dallas & Toronto are the biggest competitors for his services.

[TD 21]

Based off that podcast I just finished listening to, Spencer sounds like an immensely intellectual individual (relative to most athletes). I think he's simply aware of who he is as a basketball player.

I read that a $17 mil contract brings $85 mil of tax to the Nets if he is kept -- if there was any doubt he's not leaving the Nets after this season. I know their owner is one of the richest, but still.

https://twitter.com/SBondyNYDN/status/1374423829489938433

Thinking Dallas & Toronto are the biggest competitors for his services.

He is, he's just desperate for people to know that.

The moment they acquired Harden was the moment he was gone. With 3 elite on ball creators, there's obviously no place for him anymore.

I can't see the link to the tweet, but agreed on the competitors. Both have a need and can offer a bigger platform.

The Spurs could offer the most money and no established pecking order.

[Dejounte]

He is, he's just desperate for people to know that.

The moment they acquired Harden was the moment he was gone. With 3 elite on ball creators, there's obviously no place for him anymore.

I can't see the link to the tweet, but agreed on the competitors. Both have a need and can offer a bigger platform.

The Spurs could offer the most money and no established pecking order.

I agree with you on the type of contract he'll likely net. Spencer is 28, I think he'll be put on the same recurring contract Rudy Gay has had all these years he's been a Spur. Fits in line with his personality of wanting to bet on himself, while also giving the Spurs flexibility to maneuver around with contracts. I think that'll be part of the appeal of being a Spur for him-- Spurs will probably convince him that they'll re-sign him for every year his contract is up.

[SpursDynasty85]

Spencer buying a house in SA is old news no? Happened like last summer and it was mainly for his daughter right?

Edit: NM looks like it was for his GF who was raised in SA. Makes sense... Would be surprised if he came and we didn't have a trade ready to sell some of our younger assets too. Link below.

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/06/09/spencer-dinwiddie-of-the-brooklyn-nets-buys-home-in-san-antonio/

[exstatic]

Spencer buying a house in SA is old news no? Happened like last summer and it was mainly for his daughter right?

Edit: NM looks like it was for his GF who was raised in SA. Makes sense... Would be surprised if he came and we didn't have a trade ready to sell some of our younger assets too. Link below.

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/06/09/spencer-dinwiddie-of-the-brooklyn-nets-buys-home-in-san-antonio/

His GF is Andre Robersons sister.

[Fusternino]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-demar-derozan-has-kept-a-young-spurs-squad-afloat/

It's happening.

[Fusternino]

No love for Harrell, Jeff Green, JaMychal Green?

[R. DeMurre]

Isaac Bonga has been in the league three years and is the same age (21) as some players in the upcoming draft. He won't turn 22 until next season. He's already a defensive force, with an impressive defensive impact-- here are his on court/off court #s for his first three years:

Wizards '20-21:
Defense, points per 100 possessions with Bonga: 106.0
Defense, points per 100 possessions without Bonga: 115.7

Wizards '19-20:
Defense, points per 100 possessions with Bonga: 109.6
Defense, points per 100 possessions without Bonga: 121.3

Lakers '18-19:
Defense, points per 100 possessions with Bonga: 96.0
Defense, points per 100 possessions without Bonga: 111.7

Obviously, his offense is still a work in progress, but he's shown flashes of being able to hit the three, and though his original potential as a 6'9" PG (with a 7' wingspan) didn't pan out, he still has better handles than someone like Danny Green or Bruce Bowen. Signing him would essentially be like drafting a guy out of college who's already guaranteed to provide top rate D-- which would make him valuable off the bench-- with the added bonus that if he can advance offensively, he could be a true quality player.

http://www.82games.com/2021/20WAS8.HTM
http://www.82games.com/1920/19WAS13.HTM
http://www.82games.com/1819/18LAL9.HTM

[exstatic]

No love for Harrell, Jeff Green, JaMychal Green?

No. Harrell is a rim runner in a 3 point league. JeGreen is over the hill, and jaGreen is a never was, also on the wrong side of 30.

You don’t have to use caproom to sign sub par FAs. Harrison Barnes is better than any of those scrubs, and has posted career highs in both assist and rebounds, and shot 39% from deep. Sacto is very open to moving him, as they have young mouths to feed. He’s 28.

[R. DeMurre]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-demar-derozan-has-kept-a-young-spurs-squad-afloat/

It's happening.

"Since acquiring DeRozan, the Spurs rank last in the total number of catch-and-shoot three attempts, but on those attempts, they hit 37.5 percent — third in the league."

This guy's own stats poke a hole in his argument. Averaging a decent percentage from anywhere doesn't matter if you're not actually shooting.

[mo7888]

We know the FA class is devoid of high level talent (some decent roll players though)... Any thoughts on players on large salaries that teams might be willing to move because of fit or salary cap needs?

[TD 21]

Off the top . . .

RFA's: Collins, Graham, Monk, Markkanen, Nunn, Robinson, Ball, Hart.

Under contract: Walker, Rozier III, Love, Porzingis, Gordon, Wall, Wiggins, Turner, Bledsoe, Horford, Ross, McCollum, Barnes, Hield.

[mo7888]

Off the top . . .

RFA's: Collins, Graham, Monk, Markkanen, Nunn, Robinson, Ball, Hart.

Under contract: Walker, Rozier III, Love, Porzingis, Gordon, Wall, Wiggins, Turner, Bledsoe, Horford, Ross, McCollum, Barnes, Hield.

That's a solid list... I think Nola may look at offers on Ingram as well (not that we will necessarily be in the game there) because of the fit with Zion.

On your list, I'd be very interested in McCollum.

[TD 21]

That's a solid list... I think Nola may look at offers on Ingram as well (not that we will necessarily be in the game there) because of the fit with Zion.

On your list, I'd be very interested in McCollum.

I don't see it.

He's the iffiest one on the list, but the Spurs don't have the piece (with Lillard turning 31, the target would have to be a prime big guard - wing) and a small guard, who's not quite All-Star caliber (in the West, at least), turning 30, with a bloated contract, wouldn't make much sense either way.

[mo7888]

I don't see it.

He's the iffiest one on the list, but the Spurs don't have the piece (with Lillard turning 31, the target would have to be a prime big guard - wing) and a small guard, who's not quite All-Star caliber (in the West, at least), turning 30, with a bloated contract, wouldn't make much sense either way.

You don't see the fit with McCollum or you don't see us having the assets to get it done?

I think he fits great next to either Murray or White (better than anyone else on the list at least). I'm not sure we'd have the stomach to outbid other teams for him though.

[TD 21]

You don't see the fit with McCollum or you don't see us having the assets to get it done?

I think he fits great next to either Murray or White (better than anyone else on the list at least). I'm not sure we'd have the stomach to outbid other teams for him though.

Ingram.

McCollum would fit fine, but like I said, the Spurs don't have the piece they need and it doesn't make sense to get in a bidding war.

[mo7888]

Ingram.

McCollum would fit fine, but like I said, the Spurs don't have the piece they need and it doesn't make sense to get in a bidding war.

Gotcha.... I agree with all of that..

[CGD]

I think it’s time to start thinking about consolidating the young assets.

— I don’t think the White/Murray works long term. Feels like it’s time to sell high of Derrick and develop Tre.

— One of the Lonnie-Keldon-Vassel trio need to probably be moved for size. I’ve seen enough of Lonnie, imperfect as he is, to ea to keep him. Keldon is my favorite young guy, but think he could fetch something nice.

— Gotta keep Luka for now. Drew’s and Portle are on bargain deals, but replaceable.

[exstatic]

We know the FA class is devoid of high level talent (some decent roll players though)... Any thoughts on players on large salaries that teams might be willing to move because of fit or salary cap needs?

Barnes and Horford. Sacto was shopping Barnes at the deadline, because they have young mouths to feed. OKC has flat shut down Horford to tank. They both had good years.

[PrimeMinister]

Don’t make moves just to make moves

“consolidating” could be the right course of action if the right deal presents itself but right now the idea of “just package Keldon for size” is easier said than done.

The ideal outcome of this offseason is some decent role player signings that fill gaps in the roster but don’t take priority in the pecking order over any of the young players. We have the skeleton outline of a rebuild but until next season there’s not enough body of work of the young players to know who needs to be traded and for what and when, or even if that’s the right path forward. To this point derozan, aldridge, the infrastructure of the veterans and rotations have all been a life vest when next year we see who sinks and who swims.

I personally think there’s a few swimmers on this roster.

[Dejounte]

Players screaming for more minutes: Luka, KBD

Player screaming for more shots but-not-really-because-he-disappears-a-lot-but-has-hopefully-turned-the-corner: Lonnie

Players screaming for less minutes: Gay, Mills, maybe White

I really wish there was a scenario where KBD finds minutes next season. Doubtful, but who knows.

[exstatic]

Players screaming for more minutes: Luka, KBD

Player screaming for more shots but-not-really-because-he-disappears-a-lot-but-has-hopefully-turned-the-corner: Lonnie

Players screaming for less minutes: Gay, Mills, maybe White

I really wish there was a scenario where KBD finds minutes next season. Doubtful, but who knows.

It’ll be tough for KBD if they go back to the standard 2way rules next year where they can only spend 45 total days with the big club.

[Dejounte]

It’ll be tough for KBD if they go back to the standard 2way rules next year where they can only spend 45 total days with the big club.

That's if they renew the 2-way contract with KBD. They have an option to outright sign him, which could be a possibility if they go for a big fish and then small fish with their cap space instead of multiple medium fish.

[R. DeMurre]

That's if they renew the 2-way contract with KBD. They have an option to outright sign him, which could be a possibility if they go for a big fish and then small fish with their cap space instead of multiple medium fish.


Who are your current small fish favorites?

[TD 21]

Somehow missed probably the most realistic and best fit among creators, Burks. Injury prone and entering his 30s, he's the prototypical Spurs signing.

He's also the ideal 6th man/White insurance and could probably be had for 2 years at the MLE. Even if they had to exceed it some, he's such a good fit and it won't make any difference, so it'd be fine.

Big guard and equally adept on/off ball, so he can play with either or both Murray/White some and even play the "closer" role some too, but isn't good/durable enough to gripe about a 25 mpg 6th man role at the same time.

[Dejounte]

John Collins has been turning in some underwhelming performances lately for someone who's supposedly a max player.

Lauri too (the underwhelming performances part), but we all knew that.


https://youtu.be/Pkahj5fZ5E0

[PrimeMinister]

Luka>Lauri

Collins is off the board in my mind... Atlanta has every reason to match if they don’t care about the tax.

At this point the FA board for San Antonio is pretty barren. A lot of FAs that don’t fit the timeline of the team. The late season push made by Drew makes me agreeable to keeping the same center rotation next year. Holmes seems to like Sacramento and will likely be more expensive than he benefits this franchise. Noel could be interesting but not that interesting.

Dougie McD on a 2 year deal or some crap will be the headline. And to be honest it’s probably better that way. Young players need to start developing their own pecking order and adding too many veterans that pop relentlessly will shoehorn touches to regardless of their production is not something I want to see again.

[mo7888]

Another FA that may be out there is Budenholzer... Milwaukee is rumored to be making a change if they don't make the finals.

[Dejounte]

Another FA that may be out there is Budenholzer... Milwaukee is rumored to be making a change if they don't make the finals.

I'm skeptical... If Bud can't take an MVP caliber player to a ring, how would it be any different here?

[exstatic]

I'm skeptical... If Bud can't take an MVP caliber player to a ring, how would it be any different here?

Everyone here needs to be OK with not making the Finals for a long time, if ever. The events that made us a contender were longer odds than the Avengers beating Thanos. Winning the lottery, and drafting DRob, then winning again ten years later, and getting Tim.

A really good result for a small market team is the second round.

[TD 21]

Another FA that may be out there is Budenholzer... Milwaukee is rumored to be making a change if they don't make the finals.

I doubt he'll want to wait at least a season and even though his star has dimmed some, it's hard to believe anyone likely to have options is choosing quite possibly the least promising situation in the league, connections be damned.



I'm skeptical... If Bud can't take an MVP caliber player to a ring, how would it be any different here?

Coaches are not nearly that important.

Budenholzer has had a youngish MVP caliber player with a fatal flaw and a team that lacked (and probably lacks) the star power and experience to overcome it. Swap him with shameless, unethical Nurse or Vogel results don't change.

[jjspur]

With San Antonio not being a top level free agent destination, good role players or up and coming player should be the priority.
Lauri Markannen, Josh Hart, Gary Trent Jr., Norman Powell if he doesn't resign with Portland. maybe some players coming off the last year of their contract.

[mo7888]

I'm skeptical... If Bud can't take an MVP caliber player to a ring, how would it be any different here?

The problem there isn't Bud...it's what the FO has given him to put around the freak... (Not saying that would be any better with our FO though)

[Seventyniner]

Bud is a year off of Pop's timeline though. I'm pretty sure Pop wants that all-time wins record and he should get it next season, even if the Spurs suck. Unless Bud is willing to wait a year as Pop's assistant with an ironclad promise that Pop will relinquish the reins at the end of next year, or if Pop surprises me and retires at the end of this season anyway, I don't think Bud is coming back to SA any time soon.

I would love for this to happen fwiw. The best coaches are usually overrated, but Bud is quite solid and would be a great successor to Pop imo.

[mo7888]

Bud is a year off of Pop's timeline though. I'm pretty sure Pop wants that all-time wins record and he should get it next season, even if the Spurs suck. Unless Bud is willing to wait a year as Pop's assistant with an ironclad promise that Pop will relinquish the reins at the end of next year, or if Pop surprises me and retires at the end of this season anyway, I don't think Bud is coming back to SA any time soon.

I would love for this to happen fwiw. The best coaches are usually overrated, but Bud is quite solid and would be a great successor to Pop imo.

That's all true... you just have to hope that no other team is interested in him this offseason and maybe he'd take a coach in waiting gig for 2 year..

[exstatic]

That's all true... you just have to hope that no other team is interested in him this offseason and maybe he'd take a coach in waiting gig for 2 year..

Pop’s not going to be here two more years. Olympics, if they happen, the coaching record, and he’s out. He’ll get the record next year.

[mo7888]

Pop’s not going to be here two more years. Olympics, if they happen, the coaching record, and he’s out. He’ll get the record next year.

Correct...that's why I said year 2...and not 2 years...

[exstatic]

Correct...that's why I said year 2...and not 2 years...

My bad. Looked like you just omitted the s after ‘2 year’.

[R. DeMurre]

Interesting to see what's happening with Khem Birch now in Toronto. Coach Nurse has set him free, and he's having the best run of his career after being a low minutes/good metrics guy for 4 years in Orlando, a place well known for being poor at development. I'm hoping the Spurs can use their superior scouting skills to strike gold with at least one underappreciated free agent this summer, rather than throw big money at an overvalued guy.

https://raptorsrapture.com/2021/04/27/toronto-raptors-1-crazy-stat-khem-birch-2021/

[exstatic]

Interesting to see what's happening with Khem Birch now in Toronto. Coach Nurse has set him free, and he's having the best run of his career after being a low minutes/good metrics guy for 4 years in Orlando, a place well known for being poor at development. I'm hoping the Spurs can use their superior scouting skills to strike gold with at least one underappreciated free agent this summer, rather than throw big money at an overvalued guy.

https://raptorsrapture.com/2021/04/27/toronto-raptors-1-crazy-stat-khem-birch-2021/

Not sold. He’s a rim runner in a league where teams are wholesale dumping them to get shooting bigs.

[The Truth #6]

This thread is making me realize that Pop will likely be back next year. I was getting ready for changes next year but that probably won’t happen.

[timtonymanu]

What dogshit veteran will this team overpay in the offseason when all the quality free agents say no to coming here and will take away playing time from Vassell and whoever our next draft pick is?

[Degoat]

What dogshit veteran will this team overpay in the offseason when all the quality free agents say no to coming here and will take away playing time from Vassell and whoever our next draft pick is?

Id say Paul Milsap or Evan Fournier lol leave it to the spurs to finally have a lot of cap space in one of the worst free agency classes

[poopbox]

Id say Paul Milsap or Evan Fournier lol leave it to the spurs to finally have a lot of cap space in one of the worst free agency classes

I can totally see Milsap being the new Rudy Gay next year :lol

[exstatic]

This thread is making me realize that Pop will likely be back next year. I was getting ready for changes next year but that probably won’t happen.

Wishful thinking. He’s not going to walk away less than 30 games shy of the coaching record.

[exstatic]

Id say Paul Milsap or Evan Fournier lol leave it to the spurs to finally have a lot of cap space in one of the worst free agency classes

It wasn’t a bad class even a year ago. The pandemic made multiple guys sign lesser paying extensions rather than play out their contract and sign a higher paying new one.

[rankingtear]

Daniel Theis - a switchy center with a decent 3 ball. 28

Furkan Korkmaz - a 6-7 shooter whose getting time at PF. 23

[Dex]

This thread is making me realize that Pop will likely be back next year. I was getting ready for changes next year but that probably won’t happen.

Pop's not leaving until he gets the All-Time record. So probably one more year, at least.

I agree that his decisions have been more questionable as of late, but for all he's done, I'd say he deserves that much.

[pad300]

As a reclamation project (for the minimum), Rodion Kurucs might be interesting. I'm not sure why his shooting cratered this year, though?

[R. DeMurre]

As a reclamation project (for the minimum), Rodion Kurucs might be interesting. I'm not sure why his shooting cratered this year, though?

It seems like he's more effective as a SF, but with his last two teams he has been used as a small ball PF or C, and that hasn't worked.

The sample size for his shooting %s this year is really tiny, so I don't think it means too much.

[exstatic]

As a reclamation project (for the minimum), Rodion Kurucs might be interesting. I'm not sure why his shooting cratered this year, though?

Kurucs also had some sort of battery issue with a GF a couple of years ago.

[The Truth #6]

Wishful thinking. He’s not going to walk away less than 30 games shy of the coaching record.

For a while the prevailing thought was: one more year and then Olympics as the final gig. But obviously the pandemic happened and the assumption now is he sticks around. I get it. And I doubt he will announce anything.

[hoopdreams11]

Tory Craig

[look_at_g_shred]

THJ and Duncan Robinson

[mo7888]

If we end up helping DDR get somewhere with a S&T, what players do you think we'd target to get back (assuming we want players as opposed to picks)?

[Dejounte]

2021-2022 projected roster

Murray
White
Lonnie
Tre
Vassell
Luka
Eubanks
Dieng
Poeltl
2021 FRP
Keldon
KBD

That's 12 players (assumes Dieng is re-signed and KBD comes back on a real contract as opposed to a 2-way)

2022-2023 projected roster

Murray
White
Lonnie
Tre
Vassell
Luka
Eubanks
Dieng
Poeltl
2021 FRP
Keldon
KBD
2022 FRP

That's 13 players (assumes Lonnie is re-signed)

Then in 2022-2023, add the first round pick that year and it becomes 14 players.

The roster seems full in a few years to the point where the team would not be able to draft a player and have room for them, so perhaps we could see a small shake-up. It's also possible KBD doesn't stick, and one or both of Luka & Lonnie are let go. That would then give way for roster flexibility (but for what? The Spurs aren't expected to sign big fish in regular years). The Spurs' view of Luka is such an enigma and this off-season should reveal everything about how they feel. As for Lonnie, I'm starting to feel his late season surge and the bonding with his teammates indicates he's here for the long-term.

By the way the roster is becoming full, I could see the Spurs giving up a future draft pick + DeMar this season for a bigger fish. Maybe a player from another team becomes disgruntled.

[mo7888]

2021-2022 projected roster

Murray
White
Lonnie
Tre
Vassell
Luka
Eubanks
Dieng
Poeltl
2021 FRP
Keldon
KBD

That's 12 players (assumes Dieng is re-signed and KBD comes back on a real contract as opposed to a 2-way)

2022-2023 projected roster

Murray
White
Lonnie
Tre
Vassell
Luka
Eubanks
Dieng
Poeltl
2021 FRP
Keldon
KBD
2022 FRP

That's 13 players (assumes Lonnie is re-signed)

Then in 2022-2023, add the first round pick that year and it becomes 14 players.

The roster seems full in a few years to the point where the team would not be able to draft a player and have room for them, so perhaps we could see a small shake-up. It's also possible KBD doesn't stick, and one or both of Luka & Lonnie are let go. That would then give way for roster flexibility (but for what? The Spurs aren't expected to sign big fish in regular years). The Spurs' view of Luka is such an enigma and this off-season should reveal everything about how they feel. As for Lonnie, I'm starting to feel his late season surge and the bonding with his teammates indicates he's here for the long-term.

By the way the roster is becoming full, I could see the Spurs giving up a future draft pick + DeMar this season for a bigger fish. Maybe a player from another team becomes disgruntled.

Anyone particular in mind who that player is we may go after with DDR?

[Dejounte]

Anyone particular in mind who that player is we may go after with DDR?

Easy. Look at teams who were big disappointments this year.

Warriors - I'll take Draymond but they won't give him up
Raptors - Hopefully Siakam
Celtics - Fournier, Smart
Heat - Duncan Robinson

I see these teams as trade partners.

Other teams with bad records aren't really disappointments since losing is such a common thing for them.

I mean, the Pelicans have nowhere to go and are relying heavily on the improvement of Zion and Ingram. Maybe they'll shake it up.

I don't see anyone drafting in the top 5 to make any big splash since they want to see how they'll build around their next big hope from this draft.

Then there are rising teams who feel like they need another year to grow and they think experience will help them take the next step: Grizzlies & Kings.

Actually, my dark horse trade partner are the Hornets since MJ and his gambling habits always want to go all-in on everything.

Edit: oops, I forgot the Bulls after they made that disastrous trade

[mo7888]

Easy. Look at teams who were big disappointments this year.

Warriors - I'll take Draymond but they won't give him up
Raptors - Hopefully Siakam
Celtics - Fournier, Smart
Heat - Duncan Robinson

I see these teams as trade partners.

Other teams with bad records aren't really disappointments since losing is such a common thing for them.

I mean, the Pelicans have nowhere to go and are relying heavily on the improvement of Zion and Ingram. Maybe they'll shake it up.

I don't see anyone drafting in the top 5 to make any big splash since they want to see how they'll build around their next big hope from this draft.

Then there are rising teams who feel like they need another year to grow and they think experience will help them take the next step: Grizzlies & Kings.

Actually, my dark horse trade partner are the Hornets since MJ and his gambling habits always want to go all-in on everything.

Edit: oops, I forgot the Bulls after they made that disastrous trade

I think Siakam should be the target on that list if we are going to do this (I do think GS would move Draymond but I don't want him).. . Fournier-Smart wouldn't be bad either if the years on Fournier's contract aren't prohibitive. DR (while I love the name and fit) I am concerned with the contract he'd command.

MJ is intriguing and I guess a deal with them would center around a pick and one young guy?

Another interesting partner would be the Mavs with Porzingis. I do think they are going to really explore moving him and they might value a guy that can score like DDR to take pressure off of Luka from time to time.

[Dejounte]

I think Siakam should be the target on that list if we are going to do this (I do think GS would move Draymond but I don't want him).. . Fournier-Smart wouldn't be bad either if the years on Fournier's contract aren't prohibitive. DR (while I love the name and fit) I am concerned with the contract he'd command.

MJ is intriguing and I guess a deal with them would center around a pick and one young guy?

Another interesting partner would be the Mavs with Porzingis. I do think they are going to really explore moving him and they might value a guy that can score like DDR to take pressure off of Luka from time to time.

Porzingas is sooooo far from a culture fit for the Spurs that I don't see it happening. Looking at their roster... man, they haven't surrounded Luka well at all.

I would include future picks for Siakam, maybe even include this year's pick if we somehow beat the play-in and get a worse pick (15th).

[Dejounte]

Siakam bought his mom a house in Houston:

https://twitter.com/Raptors/status/1391559017303007232

[mo7888]

Porzingas is sooooo far from a culture fit for the Spurs that I don't see it happening. Looking at their roster... man, they haven't surrounded Luka well at all.

I would include future picks for Siakam, maybe even include this year's pick if we somehow beat the play-in and get a worse pick (15th).

I'd definitely include a pick or a young guy for Siakam. I'm not as down on Porzingis or his cultural fit as most here. I would trade DDR and a pick for him.

[R. DeMurre]

I'd love to read a book someday by RC Buford or Pop where they talk about trade attempts that didn't materialize, draft picks that were swooped up one or two spots before the Spurs' pick, etc... That would be good reading, considering how notoriously tight lipped the FO usually is about their behind the scenes action.

[Degoat]

So what’s the over/under on the spurs ever bringing Nikola Milutinov over? Lol I was watching his highlights from this past season and he looked really good, he’s still relatively young at 26

[exstatic]

So what’s the over/under on the spurs ever bringing Nikola Milutinov over? Lol I was watching his highlights from this past season and he looked really good, he’s still relatively young at 26

Likely never. You can still play a non-switchable big in Europe. Not so much in the NBA.

[BackHome]

A switchable big with no offense vs a non switchable big with offense that’s tough one.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

A switchable big with no offense vs a non switchable big with offense that’s tough one.

It's not been a tough decision since 2016.

[exstatic]

A switchable big with no offense vs a non switchable big with offense that’s tough one.

While Jakob isn’t prolific, he’s Shaq level efficient. While I could go along with low scoring, I can’t with ‘no offense’. He sets some of the best screens in the league, leading to buckets, and had 8 assists the other night, accounting for at LEAST 16 points, plus what he scored.

[keithington1]

Dinwiddie is the most attractive free agent to me. I know he has a player option and is coming off injury but he is a difference maker. He has ties to SA and D White so the fit makes sense

[intlspurshk]

To maximize what you can obtain from Jakob, SPURS need a star PG. It is unfortunate that SPURS decided not to tank this year to have a chance to draft top 5 pick

[duncan2150]

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/nba-free-agents-2021-bulls-lauri-markkanen-test-market

[mo7888]

I'm seeing it reported that the Mavs will be interested in R Holmes and John Collins this summer. To get Collins they have to hope Atl doesn't match a max offer or work out a S&T with them. I wonder if we could edge in on the S&T and get something out of it?

[Prime BEEF]

Dinwiddie is the most attractive free agent to me. I know he has a player option and is coming off injury but he is a difference maker. He has ties to SA and D White so the fit makes sense
Agreed

[rjv]

dinwiddie has indicated that he wants to be the starting PG and wants to get paid market value for a starting PG in the league (he mentioned somewhere between 20-25 mil) so not sure how that would work with the spurs.

[exstatic]

dinwiddie has indicated that he wants to be the starting PG and wants to get paid market value for a starting PG in the league (he mentioned somewhere between 20-25 mil) so not sure how that would work with the spurs.

It wouldn’t. The Spurs play Moneyball, and that’s not a value signing. His 3 point shooting is for shit, and he’s scored 20ppg once. He’s kind of a homeless man’s DeRozan.

[JeffDuncan]

Dinwiddie doesn’t shoot well enough. They all want to be starters but he’s a backup in this league. Even at that he’d need to be on a team where he can feed good shooters in the bench unit. Seems to me.

[EasyMoney]

The Nets big 3 are all free agents next year. Right? Watch, a lot of teams are going to save their money for next year, if that's the case. Spurs just have to play it safe this off season. There is no home run play that is going to get them to contention. They should Kickstart rebuild and get demar to do a sign and trade

[exstatic]

The Nets big 3 are all free agents next year. Right? Watch, a lot of teams are going to save their money for next year, if that's the case. Spurs just have to play it safe this off season. There is no home run play that is going to get them to contention. They should Kickstart rebuild and get demar to do a sign and trade

I honestly don’t want any of their three drama queens, nor would any of them be interested in us.

[Sugus]

The roster seems full in a few years to the point where the team would not be able to draft a player and have room for them, so perhaps we could see a small shake-up. It's also possible KBD doesn't stick, and one or both of Luka & Lonnie are let go. That would then give way for roster flexibility (but for what? The Spurs aren't expected to sign big fish in regular years). The Spurs' view of Luka is such an enigma and this off-season should reveal everything about how they feel. As for Lonnie, I'm starting to feel his late season surge and the bonding with his teammates indicates he's here for the long-term.

By the way the roster is becoming full, I could see the Spurs giving up a future draft pick + DeMar this season for a bigger fish. Maybe a player from another team becomes disgruntled.

:danceclub

Speak it into existence, my guy :tu

[rjv]

rc is big on luka and the spurs treatment of him shouldn't be read into too deeply. pop is often hardest on those he has higher hopes or expectations for. the key to me is in how luka handles his treatment. this is why i am hoping the summer league takes place because it would be a great opportunity for him. of course, i have no idea as to whether or not luka has any olympic aspirations or fits into the croatian national team's roster which would then likely keep him from any summer league involvement.

[timvp]

Regarding Markkanen, would the Spurs really sign a guy who whined so much about touches that it got Pop's friend Jim Boylen fired? Not only that, Markkanen trashed Boylen after he was gone. Unless there's more to the story, I can't imagine he's at the top of San Antonio's wish list.

IIRC, Markkanen whined about touches. Boylen told him to rebound more if he wanted more touches. Markkanen said he'd need to average 40 rebounds to get enough touches ... or something like that.

[duncan2150]

Regarding Markkanen, would the Spurs really sign a guy who whined so much about touches that it got Pop's friend Jim Boylen fired? Not only that, Markkanen trashed Boylen after he was gone. Unless there's more to the story, I can't imagine he's at the top of San Antonio's wish list.

IIRC, Markkanen whined about touches. Boylen told him to rebound more if he wanted more touches. Markkanen said he'd need to average 40 rebounds to get enough touches ... or something like that.

Depends on the level of confidence POP gives to Boylen because Boylen had some issues with pretty everyone in Chicago.

I still think the Spurs will be high on Markannen and that there will be his likely landing spot if he leaves Chicago.

[FutureMan]

Markkanen would be great for the Spurs especially if you believe in the Spurs system. Also we shouldn’t be signing anyone unless they can hit threes. Might have to take a flyer on McDermott too. Guy is shooting lights out right now and hell always has.

[SAGirl]

I like douggie Mcbucketts... Doug McDermott baby! Not interested in Dinwiddie. Spurs need a wing that can shoot. McDermott can do that and more.

[SAGirl]

Regarding Markkanen, would the Spurs really sign a guy who whined so much about touches that it got Pop's friend Jim Boylen fired? Not only that, Markkanen trashed Boylen after he was gone. Unless there's more to the story, I can't imagine he's at the top of San Antonio's wish list.

IIRC, Markkanen whined about touches. Boylen told him to rebound more if he wanted more touches. Markkanen said he'd need to average 40 rebounds to get enough touches ... or something like that.
Boylen didn’t get fired on Marakkanen’s account, come on... that was a long time coming.

[timvp]

Boylen didn’t get fired on Marakkanen’s account, come on... that was a long time coming.

Oh yeah, everyone hated Boylen and Markkanen was just one voice in the choir. As far as I could tell, Boylen was a terrible coach and deserved to get fired.

But, the point remains, will the Spurs really want to sign a player who's response to tough coaching was to run to the media? To get Markkanen, the Spurs will have to give him a sizeable contract. I just don't think he'd pass their background check, IMO.

[SAGirl]

Oh yeah, everyone hated Boylen and Markkanen was just one voice in the choir. As far as I could tell, Boylen was a terrible coach and deserved to get fired.

But, the point remains, will the Spurs really want to sign a player who's response to tough coaching was to run to the media? To get Markkanen, the Spurs will have to give him a sizeable contract. I just don't think he'd pass their background check, IMO.
You might be right. The rumors about him being a subject of interest might turn out to be much ado about nothing. However, IIRC Rudy Gay was combative with the Sacramento organization firing Malone, and went to the media with team issues on more than one occasion very critical of things there. It’s ancient history and it was Sacramento but I suppose the Spurs will do their investigations.

Marakkanen has come across really measured and careful any time I have seen him talk. I do hope they add a shooter who can start for the team they need a starter level player that can shoot, as much as I like McBucketts would you start him?

[ragas]

Oh yeah, everyone hated Boylen and Markkanen was just one voice in the choir. As far as I could tell, Boylen was a terrible coach and deserved to get fired.

But, the point remains, will the Spurs really want to sign a player who's response to tough coaching was to run to the media? To get Markkanen, the Spurs will have to give him a sizeable contract. I just don't think he'd pass their background check, IMO.

True. Question is, do you take him for 10-15 mill per? I think so, if the Spurs think he has some hidden defensive potential. Do you pay him more? Hell, no! That's too much risk.

[exstatic]

True. Question is, do you take him for 10-15 mill per? I think so, if the Spurs think he has some hidden defensive potential. Do you pay him more? Hell, no! That's too much risk.

Chicago will match at that price. He’s restricted, and I think they offered him more than that on his extension.

[duncan2150]

Chicago will match at that price. He’s restricted, and I think they offered him more than that on his extension.


I Think so, something between 15-20 and maybe chicago may not match but 10 it's the MLE he will take more.

[Dejounte]

Chicago will match at that price. He’s restricted, and I think they offered him more than that on his extension.

The Bulls are not going to match over $15mil for a player who:

1) averaged barely 10 pts since having Vucevic on the team. He has no hope of improving this since he will never have a bigger role than he does now
2) is not happy being on the team
3) if another team offers more than two years, the Bulls are not going to match that. Makes no sense when his value is getting lower by the day. The final outcome of that would be a buyout. The point of matching is to save value. Keeping Lauri brings negative value because his stock will never go up and they'll never find a trade partner if they couldn't get one this past trade deadline

[duncan2150]

The Bulls are not going to match over $15mil for a player who:

1) averaged barely 10 pts since having Vucevic on the team. He has no hope of improving this since he will never have a bigger role than he does now
2) is not happy being on the team
3) if another team offers more than two years, the Bulls are not going to match that. Makes no sense when his value is getting lower by the day. The final outcome of that would be a buyout. The point of matching is to save value. Keeping Lauri brings negative value because his stock will never go up and they'll never find a trade partner if they couldn't get one already


Yes but ragas was talking about 10-15 per year so that's not over 15. Like i said over 15 i also think they will not match.

[Dejounte]

Yes but ragas was talking about 10-15 per year so that's not over 15. Like i said over 15 i also think they will not match.

I misread, but I'll say the Bulls don't even go higher than 13$mil. I think there's mutual disgust between the Bulls and Lauri.

[exstatic]

I misread, but I'll say the Bulls don't even go higher than 13$mil. I think there's mutual disgust between the Bulls and Lauri.

They match, and flip him later, as long as the amount isn’t too high. I think they offered him like $15-16 on his extension. They’ll go at least that high.

As long as it isn’t an overpay, they’ll match.

[mo7888]

They match, and flip him later, as long as the amount isn’t too high. I think they offered him like $15-16 on his extension. They’ll go at least that high.

As long as it isn’t an overpay, they’ll match.

Then we should put it to the test and make them match in that range.

[FutureMan]

This is the perfect guy and perfect time to do a contract that decreases over time. Something like 17,16,15,14. With how terrible the Spurs are right now he would easily be a top 2 player if DeRozan leaves. If he is utilized correctly, of course.

[exstatic]

This is the perfect guy and perfect time to do a contract that decreases over time. Something like 17,16,15,14. With how terrible the Spurs are right now he would easily be a top 2 player if DeRozan leaves. If he is utilized correctly, of course.

Chicago isn’t financially crunched. They just didn’t and don’t want to pay him $20M, and neither should we. When I was throwing out a number, I was using that as average annual. Yours is 15.5, and they’d match that, since that is at, or a little below what they offered as an extension.

Poor rebounder, poor defender, no thanks.

[Dejounte]

Chicago isn’t financially crunched. They just didn’t and don’t want to pay him $20M, and neither should we. When I was throwing out a number, I was using that as average annual. Yours is 15.5, and they’d match that, since that is at, or a little below what they offered as an extension.

Poor rebounder, poor defender, no thanks.

Their situation then is different from their situation now. What they offered in the past doesn't matter in this context, especially considering his value is way less this offseason than it was last offseason because 1) he is a redundant piece and 2) he is in a reduced role and his performance did not meet their expectations coming into the 2020-2021 season.

[duncan2150]

Their situation then is different from their situation now. What they offered in the past doesn't matter in this context, especially considering his value is way less this offseason than it was last offseason because 1) he is a redundant piece and 2) he is in a reduced role and his performance did not meet their expectations coming into the 2020-2021 season.

And if they sign someone with their capspace at something like 20 m, they will probably don't want markannen back at more than 15-17 mo.

[rankingtear]

CHI would go after Lonzo or Dinwiddie per WOJ.

[look_at_g_shred]

CHI would go after Lonzo or Dinwiddie per WOJ.
I could def see that

[R. DeMurre]

Chicago potentially has a ton of cap space, so I could see them matching a reasonable offer for Markkanen, if to only use him later as trade bait. The players I find interesting on the Bulls are Thad Young and Tomas Satoransky-- both have partially guaranteed contracts for next year, and the Bulls might view them as not essential to a future team built around Lavine and Vucevic. They are both net positive players (Young's surprisingly high), and I think they'd add very nice depth. Nabbing them in a trade would be a nice under-the-radar move, and an upgrade over Gay and Mills.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Chicago desperately need a PG and their cap math is going to be very difficult in the summer. There's Aminu's $10 mil player option and then they have to decide what to do with Satoransky's and Thad's partially guaranteed deals. They could convince Aminu to opt out and promise to sign him for a long term contract at less $ per year to get some additional cap space, but at the same time they'll very likely have to fully guarantee the other contracts, because they have very few players under contract in the first place. A lot depends on whether they luck into a top 4 draft pick as well.

I could definitely see them refusing to match a Markkanen offer that is even cheaper than expected , say $12-13 mil per. I can definitely see him going to Toronto.

[KingKev]

I wouldn’t touch Lauri with a 10ft pole. Just throw Luka to the Wolves, see what he has and save yourself 15mm a year. We probably won’t be a playoff next year regardless.

[rankingtear]

Richaun Holmes: 20+
Tim Hardaway Jr: up to 20
Spencer Dinwiddie : 15+
Norman Powell: 20+

Bruce Brown, Alex Caruso, THT, Nerlens Noel : 12+

Devonte Graham: 13-16

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2943499-nba-insiders-see-these-under-the-radar-free-agents-getting-huge-paydays

Powell and THJ are candidates to lessen the blow of losing DDR usage while modernizing the offense. I like Powell , super efficient on and off ball but a little undersized at 6'3 215.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1395046550871711749?s=19

Lmao wow

[exstatic]

And if they sign someone with their capspace at something like 20 m, they will probably don't want markannen back at more than 15-17 mo.

To do that, they’d have to renounce Markkanen, which changes everything. He would no longer be restricted.

[duncan2150]

Chicago potentially has a ton of cap space, so I could see them matching a reasonable offer for Markkanen, if to only use him later as trade bait. The players I find interesting on the Bulls are Thad Young and Tomas Satoransky-- both have partially guaranteed contracts for next year, and the Bulls might view them as not essential to a future team built around Lavine and Vucevic. They are both net positive players (Young's surprisingly high), and I think they'd add very nice depth. Nabbing them in a trade would be a nice under-the-radar move, and an upgrade over Gay and Mills.

They don't have a ton of cap space, they could have a max of nearly 23 millions with renoucing everyone ( Markannen, Theis, Temple..) , i think theis will stay and that could climb to 32 m if they renounce to young or sato, unlikely imo.

[Prime BEEF]

$25M/yr for Allen? Geez

[SAGirl]

Chicago will match at that price. He’s restricted, and I think they offered him more than that on his extension.
They may be able to work out a sign and trade with Chicago... I am not particularly advocating for this. If they were to trade for someone Markkanen would not be my choice. I am just pointing out that it’s an avenue and Chicago might be enticed simply by the fact that Markkanen can turn into a distressed and devalued asset playing from the bench if that’s what they do. This summer might be the chance they have to get something for one of their past first round picks.

[SAGirl]

The Bulls are not going to match over $15mil for a player who:

1) averaged barely 10 pts since having Vucevic on the team. He has no hope of improving this since he will never have a bigger role than he does now
2) is not happy being on the team
3) if another team offers more than two years, the Bulls are not going to match that. Makes no sense when his value is getting lower by the day. The final outcome of that would be a buyout. The point of matching is to save value. Keeping Lauri brings negative value because his stock will never go up and they'll never find a trade partner if they couldn't get one this past trade deadline

100% agree. I see a sign and trade as more likely than matching. It’s in their interest to cooperate with his agent to find him a spot. Ultimately some team may just bypass that all together with an offer sheet and force their hand...

[Truckules]

Reggie Bullock is someone that I hope the Spurs take a look at. He shot .410 from 3 this year and was pretty good defensively. However, I wonder if there was an under the table agreement between him and the Knicks during his last negotiations. Bullock agreed to a 2 year $21M deal then renegotiated down to 2 year $8M which gave them the space to sign Marcus Morris after he reneged with the Spurs. Hard to see someone giving away $13M unless they knew they were getting it back somehow.

[Dex]

$25M/yr for Allen? Geez

If that is what sets the price for this market, the Spurs money may not go as far as we hoped.

[R. DeMurre]

I like Allen, but this is such a Cleveland move. And to think, some people were bothered here when Poeltl got $9mil/year.

[Prime BEEF]

If that is what sets the price for this market, the Spurs money may not go as far as we hoped.
Yeah doesn’t look good. We’ll overpay for a good player or overpay for a washed up vet. Either way we’ll be overpaying. Just have to accept that now.

[SpurPadre]

Yeah doesn’t look good. We’ll overpay for a good player or overpay for a washed up vet. Either way we’ll be overpaying. Just have to accept that now.

One rationale that was used for not tanking into a top 10 pick here was because of the cap space that we have in a weak free agent class and now this news. Re-siging DeRozan by default is a definite possibility and I think we have to accept that too.

[exstatic]

One rationale that was used for not tanking into a top 10 pick here was because of the cap space that we have in a weak free agent class and now this news. Re-siging DeRozan by default is a definite possibility and I think we have to accept that too.

Everyone thought they would re-sign Forbes and Belinelli last summer, too.

One thing you can take to the bank is that the Spurs rarely come off a financial decision they’ve made. The buzz is that the salary isn’t the issue, it’s the length. If you’ve observed the Spurs over the past 20 years, they watch when a decent FA class is lined up, and they clean their cap sheet for that summer. The next one is apparently 2023, and giving DeRozan more than 2 years fucks that up.

[Prime BEEF]

One rationale that was used for not tanking into a top 10 pick here was because of the cap space that we have in a weak free agent class and now this news. Re-siging DeRozan by default is a definite possibility and I think we have to accept that too.
True. Accept the possibility but not want it to happen. Not sure I can take DeRozan, Mills and Gay getting contracts. That would really test my fandom. If that happens, I might finally move to checking the scores online vs watching the games.

[John B]

I like Allen, but this is such a Cleveland move. And to think, some people were bothered here when Poeltl got $9mil/year.
Big V put 23 and 23 last night. You get what you pay for.

[BackHome]

I am starting to look at 2022 draft class and it is really looking good - just sign a one year filler player we gotta put a team but would rather roll with the kids and let’s see how they do without DEROZZ, Gay, and Mills - So at end off 2022 season we should have a good idea which players we should keep and which we should trade/let go so it’s a win win in my eyes.

[Sugus]

I like Allen, but this is such a Cleveland move. And to think, some people were bothered here when Poeltl got $9mil/year.

Reading back on the Poeltl signing thread in hindsight is great, tbh. He's excellent value for what he provides on the court (Valanciunas makes almost double what Jak does, for reference). That Allen contract would be disgusting, and might severely hamper CLE's ability to retain all of Sexton, Garland, and their next lottery pick prospect. Paying top dollar for non-ball handling C's in today's league is a big mistake.

Btw, did you get my PM, my guy?

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1395525205385256961?s=19

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/RealQuintonMayo/status/1395403675301027848?s=19

[mo7888]

https://twitter.com/RealQuintonMayo/status/1395403675301027848?s=19

DDR and Westbrook.... I just don't see that working...

[Dejounte]

DDR and Westbrook.... I just don't see that working...

Would love to see it happen just so Rummpd can call his new team a farce

[ace3g]

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[Robz4000]

https://twitter.com/RealQuintonMayo/status/1395403675301027848?s=19

Would be abortionball at its finest tbh.

[Dejounte]

DeMar for Bertans and Rui Hachimura

Back to being an all international team

Poeltl, Austria
Bertans, Latvia
Rui, Japan
Dieng, Senegal
Samanic, Croatia
+Whoever we pick up in the draft

It probably will be something like Bertans + Ish Smith though if the rumor was remotely true

[SpurPadre]

Everyone thought they would re-sign Forbes and Belinelli last summer, too.

One thing you can take to the bank is that the Spurs rarely come off a financial decision they’ve made. The buzz is that the salary isn’t the issue, it’s the length. If you’ve observed the Spurs over the past 20 years, they watch when a decent FA class is lined up, and they clean their cap sheet for that summer. The next one is apparently 2023, and giving DeRozan more than 2 years fucks that up.

I’m sure you realize DeRozan is way better than Forbes and Belinelli so to compare them in terms of re-signing is not on the same level. I don’t think DeRozan fits on this team and we would be better off not re-signing him in terms of long term future outlook. I’ve seen how the Spurs operate but I’ve also seen enough to understand that free agents of consequence by and large do not want to play in San Antonio. I think they’ve been burned way too many times hoping for that reality to change so I think they’ll look at DeRozan more closely than any of us would like. The draft is our best possible hope and will continue to be that way until we develop a Big 3 again that others would like to play with. That’s just my opinion, though. PATFO might think bringing him back with an improved Murray, Keldon, Walker, Vassell and a less brittle White would be a better option next season. I hope that isn’t the case but we have to brace ourselves for that possibility.

[exstatic]

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Don’t care about Holmes at all. I’d like to be involved in their garage sale, though.

[mo7888]

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6:28pm · 20 May 2021 (https://twitter.com/NBCSKings/status/1395521732346368002) · TweetDeck (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

Looks like there is opportunity there... absord a good contract for little return or get paid draft compensation to take a worse contract...

[TD 21]

Looks like there is opportunity there... absord a good contract for little return or get paid draft compensation to take a worse contract...

People's minds will probably mostly drift towards Barnes, but I'm sure the Kings will concentrate on Hield first (+ draft compensation to Thunder?), Bagley III second.

Suffice it to say, neither are Spurs material.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/1395861260055588864?s=19

It's what I noted in the game thread: DeMar was talking in past tense.

[Leetonidas]

https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/1395861260055588864?s=19

It's what I noted in the game thread: DeMar was talking in past tense.

Is that 60 mil in cap space figure legit? Coulda swore I saw the Spurs having like 49 mil if they renounce the free agents rights

[BacktoBasics]

DDR and Westbrook.... I just don't see that working...

Westbrook doesn’t work with anyone who’s allowed to shoot the ball.

[ace3g]

Most of the Pacers’ key rotation players are under contract for next season, but Doug McDermott (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mcderdo01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) is one important contributor who will be an unrestricted free agent this summer. McDermott addressed his situation after Thursday’s game, as J. Michael of The Indianapolis Star relays (via Twitter (https://twitter.com/ThisIsJMichael/status/1395578526594699264)): “I want to be a Pacer. It’s been a great three years. It’s been a great place to call home. I hope I can continue that.”

[exstatic]

Is that 60 mil in cap space figure legit? Coulda swore I saw the Spurs having like 49 mil if they renounce the free agents rights

I think it’s actually like $47M.

[exstatic]

Westbrook doesn’t work with anyone who’s allowed to shoot the ball.

Or rebound it.

[Mr. Body]

DeMar for Bertans and Rui Hachimura

Back to being an all international team

Poeltl, Austria
Bertans, Latvia
Rui, Japan
Dieng, Senegal
Samanic, Croatia
+Whoever we pick up in the draft

It probably will be something like Bertans + Ish Smith though if the rumor was remotely true

I can't imagine paying Bertans $15,000,000 each of the next four years. WAS would be ecstatic to get rid of him.

[exstatic]

I can't imagine paying Bertans $15,000,000 each of the next four years. WAS would be ecstatic to get rid of him.

Bertans shooting fell off this year, and he’s a one trick pony. If you want shooting, you can get it in the second round. Trey Murphy is 6’9”, his shooting line is 50/43/93 and he plays great team defense.

[Dejounte]

I can't imagine paying Bertans $15,000,000 each of the next four years. WAS would be ecstatic to get rid of him.

It's more about biting the Bertans bullet to attain Rui.

Add young talent and see who rises to the top.

Bertans would work the same way Mills would work.... IF POP WOULD STOP OVERPLAYING THEM.

[Teamduncan21]

Is that 60 mil in cap space figure legit? Coulda swore I saw the Spurs having like 49 mil if they renounce the free agents rights

I think some extension are counter in the 49m

[Mr. Body]

It's more about biting the Bertans bullet to attain Rui.

Add young talent and see who rises to the top.

That's a hell of a poisonous bite. If Bertans had two years left maybe. I like Rui generally but his advanced numbers are pretty awful.

[Dejounte]

That's a hell of a poisonous bite. If Bertans had two years left maybe. I like Rui generally but his advanced numbers are pretty awful.

I'm not a huge fan of Rui either, but having more horses in this race wouldn't hurt.

[Mr. Body]

I'm not a huge fan of Rui either, but having more horses in this race wouldn't hurt.

I'd take Rui if some other team took Bertans. Don't want that guy, don't want that salary.

[rankingtear]

SAC would lose Holmes they can't go over 11.5 mil. Guessing CHA or TOR. He hasn't been paid yet, he would take the money.

[Spursfanfromafar]

One key free agent the Spurs should try to sign should be Bobby Portis, who will most likely give up his player option and try free agency. I think he is better than Lauri Markkanen.

[mo7888]

SAC would lose Holmes they can't go over 11.5 mil. Guessing CHA or TOR. He hasn't been paid yet, he would take the money.

They'll trade Bagley or Barnes to create more room..

[PrimeMinister]

One key free agent the Spurs should try to sign should be Bobby Portis, who will most likely give up his player option and try free agency. I think he is better than Lauri Markkanen.

big time agree with this and good find.

[Seventyniner]

It's more about biting the Bertans bullet to attain Rui.

Add young talent and see who rises to the top.

Bertans would work the same way Mills would work.... IF POP WOULD STOP OVERPLAYING THEM.

The return package better include at least one first. Draft capital is the real prize Washington has to offer.

The real moonshot is if Washington sees DDR as their missing piece to "contention" and is willing to do a Jrue Holliday-type deal. Can't hurt to ask.

[DesignatedT]

Tim Hardaway Jr? He’s an FA right?

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

In the off season thread I stated a good pick up would be Bobby Portis.

so far he is playing really well in the first game of the playoffs.

[exstatic]

Bobby Portis beat the shit out of teammate Niko Mirotic in practice, breaking multiple bones in his face, causing a concussion, and hospitalizing him. I’m thinking the Spurs take a hard pass on that shit.

[ace3g]

After today these are still my FA targets

Gary Trent Jr.
Bobby Portis
Tim Hardaway Jr.

[rjv]

Tim Hardaway Jr? He’s an FA right?

Spurs need shooters. Hardaway will be a pretty hot commodity in a weak class.

[Robz4000]

Honestly at this point there are no FAs I like tbh. Spurs would be better off using their cap space to take on bad contracts for picks.

[objective]

Would anyone be interested in taking on Kevin Love for free, absorbing him into capspace? Maybe the Spurs can even get additional compensation by taking him, who knows?

2 more years and declining, 31.26 and 28.94

Just throwing it out there. Stretch 4 who could probably be a better smallball 5 than other choices, and can help the Spurs pretend to be competitive.

[tbdog]

Would anyone be interested in taking on Kevin Love for free, absorbing him into capspace? Maybe the Spurs can even get additional compensation by taking him, who knows?

2 more years and declining, 31.26 and 28.94

Just throwing it out there. Stretch 4 who could probably be a better smallball 5 than other choices, and can help the Spurs pretend to be competitive.

Cav's honestly need to give 2 firsts for it to happen.

[Degoat]

Unfortunately I think the time of teams attaching picks just to get off bad contracts is over imo maybe I’m wrong but you really put your team behind for potentially several seasons doing that.

[EricB]

Trent JR is a stud. Collins first however.

[Atl Spur]

Lauri / Trent might actually might work.......

[JeffDuncan]

Would anyone be interested in taking on Kevin Love ...

Houston might, to help them tank better. Or is that what you had in mind for the Spurs?

If you just want to throw money around, for no sane reason, we could probably get Udonis Haslem if we offer him the supermax.

[EricB]

Lauri / Trent might actually might work.......


id rather pocket the money rather than spend on Markannen.

[EricB]

I'd love to read a book someday by RC Buford or Pop where they talk about trade attempts that didn't materialize, draft picks that were swooped up one or two spots before the Spurs' pick, etc... That would be good reading, considering how notoriously tight lipped the FO usually is about their behind the scenes action.


will never happen but one of the two of the great trades that was going to happen but failed at the last second, one Brent Barry for JR Smith, the other getting Ron Artest at the deadline

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Honestly at this point there are no FAs I like tbh. Spurs would be better off using their cap space to take on bad contracts for picks.

Looking at the actual contracts around the league there are very few players teams would be willing to dump and attach picks. Cavs aren’t giving a lottery pick to get rid of Love. Can’t see OKC sending more than a Clippers late 1st for Horford. Besides their eventual need for cap space would be for the very same purpose - to hoard more picks. GS are also not going to attach their picks to Wiggins’s contract. They need it for matching purposes in any potential star trade they’d look to pull off.

[EricB]

rc is big on luka and the spurs treatment of him shouldn't be read into too deeply. pop is often hardest on those he has higher hopes or expectations for. the key to me is in how luka handles his treatment. this is why i am hoping the summer league takes place because it would be a great opportunity for him. of course, i have no idea as to whether or not luka has any olympic aspirations or fits into the croatian national team's roster which would then likely keep him from any summer league involvement.


exacty. Pop thinks he has the next Porzingis but with defense in Luka. If Pop were to stick around, which he won’t, it would be because of Luka.

[EricB]

Regarding Markkanen, would the Spurs really sign a guy who whined so much about touches that it got Pop's friend Jim Boylen fired? Not only that, Markkanen trashed Boylen after he was gone. Unless there's more to the story, I can't imagine he's at the top of San Antonio's wish list.

IIRC, Markkanen whined about touches. Boylen told him to rebound more if he wanted more touches. Markkanen said he'd need to average 40 rebounds to get enough touches ... or something like that.


ding ding and ding

[EricB]

Oh yeah, everyone hated Boylen and Markkanen was just one voice in the choir. As far as I could tell, Boylen was a terrible coach and deserved to get fired.

But, the point remains, will the Spurs really want to sign a player who's response to tough coaching was to run to the media? To get Markkanen, the Spurs will have to give him a sizeable contract. I just don't think he'd pass their background check, IMO.


boylen is also buds with Pop RC etc. while a bad coach like a certain other former assistant who became a head coach, they’re not fans of players who talk shit about them.

[EricB]

https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/1395861260055588864?s=19

It's what I noted in the game thread: DeMar was talking in past tense.


they both knew they were parting ways the day the Spurs didn’t want to give him more than a 2 year extension

[R. DeMurre]

will never happen but one of the two of the great trades that was going to happen but failed at the last second, one Brent Barry for JR Smith, the other getting Ron Artest at the deadline

I remember the JR Smith rumor, when he was with New Orleans. When did the Artest deal almost happen?

[venitian navigator]

I don't like any of the free agents on the market, except maybe for Portis and Trent...imho if we find the right partner we could use our free cap space to entice some teams to avoid the lux tax giving us players of actual value...

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Not a big fan of Lauri M.

He isn’t gonna be able to start alongside Jakob because he isn’t nimble enough to guard most 4’s in today’s NBA. He isn’t that good on defense and he is soft offensively around the hoop for his size.

[PrimeMinister]

Luka will be a definitively better player than Lauri by ASB next year.

[JeffDuncan]

Found him! The perfect free agency signing for the Spurs.

Jay Scrubb.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/scrubja01.html

I can’t understand why he isn’t with the Spurs already.

[keithington1]

Lauri makes sense. If your starting Murray White Johnson Poeltl. That’s 4 better be a knockdown shooter.

[Dejounte]

Patty Mills has removed his "San Antonio Spur" from his IG bio.

Bye, Patty!

[DavidTheGoliath]

Patty Mills has removed his "San Antonio Spur" from his IG bio.

Bye, Patty!

Dont give us hope :depressed

[Degoat]

Patty Mills has removed his "San Antonio Spur" from his IG bio.

Bye, Patty!

Thats gotta mean Pop is gone for sure lol and if that’s the case I bet all the vets will be gone tbh

[PrimeMinister]

We as fans tend to default to familiar names, so here’s some upcoming FAs that fit a younger mold and could be reasonably attainable. There’s a not a ton of top flight talent, but there’s some rotation caliber players still in the early stages of their careers that could improve given the right situation.

Derrick Jones Jr, Hamidou Diallo, Malik Monk, Semi Ojeleye, Bruce Brown, Isaiah Hartenstein, Amir Coffey, Niang is on the very fringe of this category but has skills the spurs could use at a probably decent price.

On a higher tier- Gary Trent is interesting but I’d imagine Toronto is hanging on there. THJ is good but old relative to some of the young players. No clue what type of money he might command but wouldn’t hate an offer. Bobby Portis could make a lot of sense. Hell, throw an offer at Kendrick Nunn because he can shoot and it’s fun to fuck with Pat.

I like KBD. Take a flier on him and see what he can do next year, also serves as a bit of insurance at the 3/4 off the bench if Luka doesn’t stick.

Lauri sucks. don’t want him. Allen is going to get stupid money, ditto for Holmes. Collins is going to get a fat overpay. All these names people recognize are going anywhere but San Antonio and I see a lot of people not happy about it.

Not a lot of flash but the spurs could definitely stand to supplement their young core with a few of these names that don’t cost too much long term, dont take priority as a veteran on the pecking order over the young players, and most importantly match the timeline of the rest of the team. Reclamation projects and lottery tickets that have the potential to benefit the team for years to come are the moves I want to see.

[R. DeMurre]

We as fans tend to default to familiar names, so here’s some upcoming FAs that fit a younger mold and could be reasonably attainable. There’s a not a ton of top flight talent, but there’s some rotation caliber players still in the early stages of their careers that could improve given the right situation.

Derrick Jones Jr, Hamidou Diallo, Malik Monk, Semi Ojeleye, Bruce Brown, Isaiah Hartenstein, Amir Coffey, Niang is on the very fringe of this category but has skills the spurs could use at a probably decent price.

On a higher tier- Gary Trent is interesting but I’d imagine Toronto is hanging on there. THJ is good but old relative to some of the young players. No clue what type of money he might command but wouldn’t hate an offer. Bobby Portis could make a lot of sense. Hell, throw an offer at Kendrick Nunn because he can shoot and it’s fun to fuck with Pat.

I like KBD. Take a flier on him and see what he can do next year, also serves as a bit of insurance at the 3/4 off the bench if Luka doesn’t stick.

Lauri sucks. don’t want him. Allen is going to get stupid money, ditto for Holmes. Collins is going to get a fat overpay. All these names people recognize are going anywhere but San Antonio and I see a lot of people not happy about it.

Not a lot of flash but the spurs could definitely stand to supplement their young core with a few of these names that don’t cost too much long term, dont take priority as a veteran on the pecking order over the young players, and most importantly match the timeline of the rest of the team. Reclamation projects and lottery tickets that have the potential to benefit the team for years to come are the moves I want to see.

If Dieng doesn't stay, I'd add Luke Kornet to that list. Also Bjelica and Isaac Bonga.

[EasyMoney]

Murray / Jones
White / Walker
Johnson / Vassell
Draft pick / Gay / Samanic / KBD
Poeltl / free agent / Eubanks

2 spots left. 1 for the 2nd rd pick, if they have one. Also, a veteran for the lockerroom. Understanding they won't play much.

[Atl Spur]

Walter and gay should not be on the team moving forward....

[KingKev]

Murray / Jones
White / Walker
Johnson / Vassell
Draft pick / Gay / Samanic / KBD
Poeltl / free agent / Eubanks

2 spots left. 1 for the 2nd rd pick, if they have one. Also, a veteran for the lockerroom. Understanding they won't play much.

Something like this is xmy desired outcome if we strike out on John Collins and can’t move DDR for something of value Straight to the draft lottery, top 5 pick likely.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://www.si.com/nba/2021/05/24/nba-offseason-needs-lottery-teams-warriors-pelicans-raptors


San Antonio Spurs (33–39)

Key returners: Dejounte Murray, Derrick White, Keldon Johnson, Lonnie Walker
Key free agents: DeMar DeRozan, Rudy Gay, Patty Mills
2021 draft picks: Own first; own second

This summer feels like an inflection point for the Spurs, with several key veterans hitting free agency and San Antonio’s array of young players in line for increased minutes next season. Gregg Popovich is set to coach Team USA at the Summer Olympics, but speculation persists as to when he’ll opt to retire from the NBA. DeMar DeRozan had a strong three-year run with the Spurs but will test the market, and might be more interested in joining a playoff team on his next contract. San Antonio has a ton of cap space. What they’ll do with it—and how hard they’ll lean into a youth movement—is less clear.

The Spurs have built effectively through the draft, with Dejounte Murray, Derrick White and Keldon Johnson all panning out as late first-round finds and forming the core of the team moving forward. Devin Vassell and Lonnie Walker should take steps forward. The Spurs will add another lottery pick to the mix. These players need minutes, although it may not correlate to more wins in the short term, and it’s not San Antonio’s style to tank. Whether it makes sense to spend to keep any or all of DeRozan, Gay or Mills (who’s been with the organization for a decade) is a fair question. All three players should be in demand on the market, and have plenty left in the tank.

If San Antonio chooses, it can adopt the popular strategy of using cap space to absorb other teams’ unwanted contracts for future draft picks. The Spurs will need to address their bench regardless, particularly if their veterans depart. With White and Murray’s extensions already done and little else on the books long-term, it’s a route worth considering, as opposed to signing stopgap players in free agency. The Spurs can also look to extend Walker early, although he may choose to let next season play out to try to increase his market value.

[B1gduff]

This name isn't a big name, but depending on what happens with Sac and Louis King, I would not mind the Spurs taking a shot at him.
He was projected to a first roubd pickm but got hurt and didn't play at all and went undrafted which suprised alot of people. He a solid defensive player, standing arounf 6'7/8 with an 7ft wingspan. In six games, he averaged 1.2 steals per game and in G-league he's shown the abilty to be a solid 3 and D guy, which could be his ceiling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N83fgTYIfdI

Just look at this guy, he can do a bit of everything, bring up the ball, score in the mid-range, 3pts and can defend! reminds me alot of green. Hopefully the Kings don't resign him and we pick him up.

[Atl Spur]

We need to sign Duncan Robinson......

[The Truth #6]

This name isn't a big name, but depending on what happens with Sac and Louis King, I would not mind the Spurs taking a shot at him.
He was projected to a first roubd pickm but got hurt and didn't play at all and went undrafted which suprised alot of people. He a solid defensive player, standing arounf 6'7/8 with an 7ft wingspan. In six games, he averaged 1.2 steals per game and in G-league he's shown the abilty to be a solid 3 and D guy, which could be his ceiling.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N83fgTYIfdI

Just look at this guy, he can do a bit of everything, bring up the ball, score in the mid-range, 3pts and can defend! reminds me alot of green. Hopefully the Kings don't resign him and we pick him up.

Great find. I remember him from the draft. Absolutely worth a flyer.

[Em-City]

Players who I think a re gone: Derozan, Mills (because pop's gone), Lyles.

Sucks that this is a really bad free agency class.


Areas of need:
- volume 3pt shooter:
Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk (for the min)
Reggie bullock - 30 y.o, Knicks will be keen to keep him and will be upwards of $10m per year IMO
Evan Fournier - 28 y.o. good fit, but would impact development of the younger guys a bit too much

- 3&D wing defender:
Otto Porter - 28 y.o. I think a lot of teams will overlook him and if he can get his 3 ball going next season he'll be a bargain
David Nwaba - 28 y.o, but room to improve he's looked good in a few Houston games, but injuries held him back
Georges Niang - 28 y.o. If Utah don't re-sign, he could be a great glue guy
Kelly Oubre - 25 y.o. had a down season, but could bounce back to his Phoenix ways in a different setting
Josh hart - 26 y.o. still young, but the 3 isn't so good, and he overlaps a bit with keldon johnson's skillset
THT (although the 3 ball isn't quite there)

- stretch 4/5:
Gorgui Dieng 28 y.o. - re-signing is a no-brainer, always been a fan
Daniel theis 29 y.o. he was clicking with vucevic so bulls will probably try to keep him
Jamychal green 31 y.o. probably hates San Antonio since summer league
Kelly Olynyk 30 y.o. probably will get an overpay
Isaiah Hartenstein - 23 y.o. probably the only young options and could be had cheap given the logjam in CLE
Zach Collins - 23 y.o. looked like he was going to break out, before injuries - could be worth an unguaranteed look if spurs whiff on all the others
Nico Melli - 30 y.o. not the most mobile big, so may struggle to share the floor with poeltl
Dwayne Dedmon 32 y.o. too old, but could have been an option if spurs hadn't burnt that bridge.
Jarred Vanderbilt - 22 y.o. has potential, but isn't shooting the 3

as an aside, I would be keen on nerlens if poeltl wasn't rostered.

[exstatic]

We need to sign Duncan Robinson......

No. We don’t have the defense that miami has that can cover for his slow ass.

You can get a better version in the draft, late first or second, in the form of Trey Murphy from Virginia. His shooting numbers are 50/43/93, he plays elite team defense, he’s 6’8”, and he won’t cost you $20M

[Atl Spur]

No. We don’t have the defense that miami has that can cover for his slow ass.

You can get a better version in the draft, late first or second, in the form of Trey Murphy from Virginia. His shooting numbers are 50/43/93, he plays elite team defense, he’s 6’8”, and he won’t cost you $20M

I would actually like both ( less the 20 million more like 12-15 ); two elite shooters sounds great!

[PrimeMinister]

This name isn't a big name, but depending on what happens with Sac and Louis King, I would not mind the Spurs taking a shot at him.
He was projected to a first roubd pickm but got hurt and didn't play at all and went undrafted which suprised alot of people. He a solid defensive player, standing arounf 6'7/8 with an 7ft wingspan. In six games, he averaged 1.2 steals per game and in G-league he's shown the abilty to be a solid 3 and D guy, which could be his ceiling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N83fgTYIfdI

Just look at this guy, he can do a bit of everything, bring up the ball, score in the mid-range, 3pts and can defend! reminds me alot of green. Hopefully the Kings don't resign him and we pick him up.

good find. Exactly the kind of player the spurs need to be pursuing this offseason. Diamonds in the rough on possible 2 way deals that can be converted.

agree on Duncan. Too expensive. 27. Can’t defend. Not good enough to make use of his skills. Pass.

[Atl Spur]

Sharp shooters are hard to come by; you can have the project player but I’ll take the proven commodity! He would really open up the court and has terrific bball IQ.

[mo7888]

Sharp shooters are hard to come by; you can have the project player but I’ll take the proven commodity! He would really open up the court and has terrific bball IQ.

Sure, but 12-15M isn't gonna get him so what's the point?

[Atl Spur]

Sure, but 12-15M isn't gonna get him so what's the point?

If the market demands 20 million so be it...... supply & demand. He fills a gapping hole

[Atl Spur]

He takes big shots without hesitation, we have no one like him on our roster. Chip would make him more efficient/effective

[mo7888]

If the market demands 20 million so be it...... supply & demand. He fills a gapping hole

If the market demands $20M for his services then the market is over valuing what he brings and we should allocate those resources elsewhere. He has value and I'd love to have him but not at that price.

[Atl Spur]

If the market demands $20M for his services then the market is over valuing what he brings and we should allocate those resources elsewhere. He has value and I'd love to have him but not at that price.

We don’t know what price his services will command so I won’t do that dance but if it is possible to sign him we should period!

[Atl Spur]

Murphy is a spot up shooting un proven commodity at the NBA level.... BTW Mo, who or what determines value in your opinion?

[mo7888]

We don’t know what price his services will command so I won’t do that dance but if it is possible to sign him we should period!

Not at any price... If we want to offer a reasonable contract... I'm all for it but if Intel suggests we have to offer $20M to be in the hunt then we should pass and not think twice...

[Atl Spur]

I’ll answer for you again, Supply & Demand! Find me others that do what he does ( Duncan ) at his efficiency/effectiveness ( plus he has some playmaking abilities )... I’ll wait

[mo7888]

I’ll answer for you again, Supply & Demand! Find me others that do what he does ( Duncan ) at his efficiency/effectiveness ( plus he has some playmaking abilities )... I’ll wait

No one is saying he doesn't have a skill...he does...he also has weaknesses too... Supply and Demand is a fools argument when it comes to how an organization allocates resources... would you have given Allan Houston a $100 Million contract? The market demanded it... how about Eddy Curry for $60 Million? The market demanded that too...or Timofey Mozgov and Luol Deng for four years, $136 million combined (since I just don't wanna dump on the Knicks)...since the market demanded it....

The point is that the market can overpay or underpay at times and organizations that recognize that and allocate resources accordingly are in a better position than organizations that don't recognize this and blow their wad in obvious overpays.

[rjv]

No one is saying he doesn't have a skill...he does...he also has weaknesses too... Supply and Demand is a fools argument when it comes to how an organization allocates resources... would you have given Allan Houston a $100 Million contract? The market demanded it... how about Eddy Curry for $60 Million? The market demanded that too...or Timofey Mozgov and Luol Deng for four years, $136 million combined (since I just don't wanna dump on the Knicks)...since the market demanded it....

The point is that the market can overpay or underpay at times and organizations that recognize that and allocate resources accordingly are in a better position than organizations that don't recognize this and blow their wad in obvious overpays.

i never thought i'd overpay for hand sanitizer but i sure as hell did.

[R. DeMurre]

Is the coin flip today televised? I don't see anything...

[mo7888]

i never thought i'd overpay for hand sanitizer but i sure as hell did.

Because there was none available....there are other shooters available... maybe not name brand sanitizer ( I mean shooters)... but they can do a similar job..

[Atl Spur]

No one is saying he doesn't have a skill...he does...he also has weaknesses too... Supply and Demand is a fools argument when it comes to how an organization allocates resources... would you have given Allan Houston a $100 Million contract? The market demanded it... how about Eddy Curry for $60 Million? The market demanded that too...or Timofey Mozgov and Luol Deng for four years, $136 million combined (since I just don't wanna dump on the Knicks)...since the market demanded it....

The point is that the market can overpay or underpay at times and organizations that recognize that and allocate resources accordingly are in a better position than organizations that don't recognize this and blow their wad in obvious overpays.
Hopefully the spurs agree with what I see in him having value at a acceptable price! Can you provide those comps for me?

[Atl Spur]

Is the coin flip today televised? I don't see anything...

I doubt it...

[TimDunkem]

No one is saying he doesn't have a skill...he does...he also has weaknesses too... Supply and Demand is a fools argument when it comes to how an organization allocates resources... would you have given Allan Houston a $100 Million contract? The market demanded it... how about Eddy Curry for $60 Million? The market demanded that too...or Timofey Mozgov and Luol Deng for four years, $136 million combined (since I just don't wanna dump on the Knicks)...since the market demanded it....

The point is that the market can overpay or underpay at times and organizations that recognize that and allocate resources accordingly are in a better position than organizations that don't recognize this and blow their wad in obvious overpays.
Wouldn't listen to that dumb fuck PATFO ass-sniffing casual. He said a few months back that Milutinov is still coming. :lol

[mo7888]

Hopefully the spurs agree with what I see in him having value at a acceptable price! Can you provide those comps for me?

I provided comps on market overpays. What comps are you requesting?

[jjspur]

Players who I think a re gone: Derozan, Mills (because pop's gone), Lyles.

Sucks that this is a really bad free agency class.


Areas of need:
- volume 3pt shooter:
Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk (for the min)
Reggie bullock - 30 y.o, Knicks will be keen to keep him and will be upwards of $10m per year IMO
Evan Fournier - 28 y.o. good fit, but would impact development of the younger guys a bit too much

- 3&D wing defender:
Otto Porter - 28 y.o. I think a lot of teams will overlook him and if he can get his 3 ball going next season he'll be a bargain
David Nwaba - 28 y.o, but room to improve he's looked good in a few Houston games, but injuries held him back
Georges Niang - 28 y.o. If Utah don't re-sign, he could be a great glue guy
Kelly Oubre - 25 y.o. had a down season, but could bounce back to his Phoenix ways in a different setting
Josh hart - 26 y.o. still young, but the 3 isn't so good, and he overlaps a bit with keldon johnson's skillset
THT (although the 3 ball isn't quite there)

- stretch 4/5:
Gorgui Dieng 28 y.o. - re-signing is a no-brainer, always been a fan
Daniel theis 29 y.o. he was clicking with vucevic so bulls will probably try to keep him
Jamychal green 31 y.o. probably hates San Antonio since summer league
Kelly Olynyk 30 y.o. probably will get an overpay
Isaiah Hartenstein - 23 y.o. probably the only young options and could be had cheap given the logjam in CLE
Zach Collins - 23 y.o. looked like he was going to break out, before injuries - could be worth an unguaranteed look if spurs whiff on all the others
Nico Melli - 30 y.o. not the most mobile big, so may struggle to share the floor with poeltl
Dwayne Dedmon 32 y.o. too old, but could have been an option if spurs hadn't burnt that bridge.
Jarred Vanderbilt - 22 y.o. has potential, but isn't shooting the 3

as an aside, I would be keen on nerlens if poeltl wasn't rostered.

Mykhailiuk is a decent shooter could be had fairly cheaply. Almost all the 3 & d wings are decent as well but Porter, Oubre and Hart will cost 7 million plus for sure. Dieng should get an automatic call back. In the short time he was with us, he proved to be a surprisingly valuable addition. Olynyk has the most upside but he is 30 will probably be expensive. Zach Collins might be done in Portland but he tends to get injured alot plus Portland may not have a lot of cap space. Vanderbilt is young and rebounds but doesn't shoot 3's, but when do our centers or pf ever shoot 3 pointers and make them. There are several players on this list, while not stars, could easily be valuable additions to the spurs next year and probably for a reasonable price at that.

[Atl Spur]

I provided comps on market overpays. What comps are you requesting?

Duncan Robinson comps in the league; I’d like to see what their salaries are for my own understanding.

[Atl Spur]

Wouldn't listen to that dumb fuck PATFO ass-sniffing casual. He said a few months back that Milutinov is still coming. :lol

Damn bruh..... you are on one! I’m sorry you aren’t feeling well:)

[mo7888]

Duncan Robinson comps in the league; I’d like to see what their salaries are for my own understanding.

Ok, career 40+ 3pt% guys who can't play Defense-

Reggie Bullock (39%) 4.2 M
Joe Harris (43%) 16.1M
Bryn Forbes (41%) 2.3M
Seth Curry (44%) 7.8M
Davis Bertans (40%) 15M
Joe Ingles (41%) 10.9M

That's an average of 9.6M/year