Serious question did Lebron's woke religion kill the NBA?

[Thebesteva]

First off I dont give two shits about politics on either side. I have liberal and republican friends, a good person is a good person. But I have to be honest and let you know as a former Los Angelino (moved 2016) after talking to many Laker fans during the 2020 bubble and asking them if they are watching the Lakers dominance about 80-90% said they stopped watching due to identity politics. I was pretty surprised because most of these people are left leaning but they said it just isnt fun any more with all the social justice stuff Lebron has been doing. They stated while they support social justice they want an escape from all the reminders and Lebron constantly reminded them of how messed up the world is.

More surprisingly none of these fan started watching again in 2021 despite all that stuff some what calming down. I have no problem with liberals but lets be honest woke is another level and the 70-80% decrease I am seeing in ratings isnt about streaming online. There was a pretty similar thread on Realgm last week with 10+ pages of responses and I skimmed through it and most either 100% blamed woke bs or others kept downplaying it. Oddly enough those people were woke fans themselves and stated its streaming + no defense + too many calls.

Is anyone else noticing this phenomenon happening in not just the NBA but all sports? It just happened to me this year too...had enough of the BS. I haven't seen a Laker game this season, I stopped when the commentators, league, and overall players wouldn't shut up about Joe Biden. They are welcome to speak but we are welcome to turn it off. I have never missed a Laker playoff game in my life. I possibly wont watch this post season. It doesnt feel like the NBA anymore. Feels like the democratic party with basketballs wearing Laker uniforms tbh.

[baseline bum]

Imagine not watching a championship team because you're Still With Trump

[FrostKing]

I had a similar talk with my sister yesterday. She lives in Berlin and works in Academia so she holds many of these woke views. I told her I really hope to visit her this summer because I need an escape from what American culture/society has transformed into. Is the rhetoric really necessary on for example social media? Not people's posts or content but there are ads displayed in the headings and in the user interface. Even on Tinder, Yelp and Netflix.

I am completely avoiding ESPN. Once again even the advertisement and scrolling text on the screen. It is completely unavoidable.

To be exact even in my friends group text I dread when too much politics is posted from conservative perspective. I loved working the day of the Chauvin trail verdict. Was entirely disconnected.

Sadly I don't think American society will ever return to normal. As substance abuse and depression will continue to rise as a result.

[Dirks_Finale]

It seems the same is happening with the Spurs. Many fans are not following it as closely and it's not just because the team is a .500 club, it's because Pop won't STFU about social issues and race hustling. And oh yeah, he still goes on these weird Trump rants when the bad orange man has been gone for months now. It seems that maybe Pop has a guilty conscience for making big $ off the backs of black folks. The media asks him what went wrong for the Spurs tonight and he has a snide, 6 word response(the other team scored more points). But if they ask him about Trump or Abbott he goes on a 15 minute diatribe. It's clear where his mind is at and I don't think it's on basketball.

[Texas_Ranger]

dont know bout LeBron, but politics did for sure. Even here in Europe people are just rolling their eyes when they see all the kneeling and all the jerseys players were wearing last year.

[Thebesteva]

Sadly I don't think American society will ever return to normal. As substance abuse and depression will continue to rise as a result.


Breaks my heart but I agree with you. I'm so happy most my childhood were the mid 80's-90's. I'm both grateful and very sad for todays youth to see that they wont ever come close to growing up in such an amazing time in human history.

[Thebesteva]

It seems the same is happening with the Spurs. Many fans are not following it as closely and it's not just because the team is a .500 club, it's because Pop won't STFU about social issues and race hustling. And oh yeah, he still goes on these weird Trump rants when the bad orange man has been gone for months now. It seems that maybe Pop has a guilty conscience for making big $ off the backs of black folks. The media asks him what went wrong for the Spurs tonight and he has a snide, 6 word response(the other team scored more points). But if they ask him about Trump or Abbott he goes on a 15 minute diatribe. It's clear where his mind is at and I don't think it's on basketball.

Pop and Kerr should just run for congress or make a show like the view at this point. It's so embarrassing what has become of those two. I cant believe Pop is trying to pull that shit in Texas. Lebron in LA it sorta makes sense but Pop doing that in Texas has surprised me.

[Dirks_Finale]

Pop and Kerr should just run for congress or make a show like the view at this point. It's so embarrassing what has become of those two. I cant believe Pop is trying to pull that shit in Texas. Lebron in LA it sorta makes sense but Pop doing that in Texas has surprised me.

Hey, that is not a bad idea :lol

The panel: Pop, Kerr, Rev Sharpton, Don Lemon. They'll need a quasi-Republican like Mitt Romney(after he gets primaried) to appear to offer some shallow resistance to their talking points. They can have special guests on like multi-millionaire Lebron to offer revisionist history as to why America sucks and has always sucked.

[spurraider21]

:lmao OP triggered af

[Thebesteva]

:lmao OP triggered af

No, I am sincerely curious as to why the NBA ratings are down 70-80%. That is an astronomical decrease in all honesty let’s not kid ourselves.

hey btw congrats on Biden acknowledging the genocide. I hear your people will get their lands back now :lmao

[spurraider21]

No, I am sincerely curious as to why the NBA ratings are down 70-80%. That is an astronomical decrease in all honesty let’s not kid ourselves.

its not like you start or stop watching the NBA based on what the ratings are. you have a personal reason for not watching and its because ur triggered af



hey btw congrats on Biden acknowledging the genocide. I hear your people will get their lands back now :lmao

i never saw that as a realistic outcome. lack of recognition that it ever happened was always fairly insulting though, tbh

turkish trolls seething in comments to every biden tweet since then has been pretty refreshing tho. kind of like you in this thread

[lefty]

I had a similar talk with my sister yesterday. She lives in Berlin and works in Academia so she holds many of these woke views. I told her I really hope to visit her this summer because I need an escape from what American culture/society has transformed into. Is the rhetoric really necessary on for example social media? Not people's posts or content but there are ads displayed in the headings and in the user interface. Even on Tinder, Yelp and Netflix.

I am completely avoiding ESPN. Once again even the advertisement and scrolling text on the screen. It is completely unavoidable.

To be exact even in my friends group text I dread when too much politics is posted from conservative perspective. I loved working the day of the Chauvin trail verdict. Was entirely disconnected.

Sadly I don't think American society will ever return to normal. As substance abuse and depression will continue to rise as a result.

:lol triggered

[FrostKing]

Breaks my heart but I agree with you. I'm so happy most my childhood were the mid 80's-90's. I'm both grateful and very sad for todays youth to see that they wont ever come close to growing up in such an amazing time in human history.
Constantly reminding people they are different and better/worse is uniting. Entire generation of victims :lol

[Thebesteva]

its not like you start or stop watching the NBA based on what the ratings are. you have a personal reason for not watching and its because ur triggered af

You dont get it do you? The NBA just lost 80% of its audience. Im simply asking what peoples takes are on this. How is responding lol triggered an answer? Im not surprised tho based on the quality of posters responding in such fashion. Sounds more like woke faggots being offended. Also we dont stop watching because we are offended we stop because the product sucks now.

Am I supposed to pretend it doesnt suck and push through it? You can tell the difference between a good series you wanna keep watching and a bad one on TV right? Same shit here except I think it has to do with the politics. You are welcome to disagree and say no I think its other reasons. Trolling has never really been your thing spurraider.

[FrostKing]

This is the entertainment industry. Being talked down to and guilt tripped is an interesting strategy.

[ElNono]

You dont get it do you? The NBA just lost 80% of its audience. Im simply asking what peoples takes are on this. How is responding lol triggered an answer? Im not surprised tho based on the quality of posters responding in such fashion. Sounds more like woke faggots being offended. Also we dont stop watching because we are offended we stop because the product sucks now.

Am I supposed to pretend it doesnt suck and push through it? You can tell the difference between a good series you wanna keep watching and a bad one on TV right? Same shit here except I think it has to do with the politics. You are welcome to disagree and say no I think its other reasons. Trolling has never really been your thing spurraider.

I think the pandemic has a lot to do with this. Lots of people that love to go to the games, and watch their teams while they're on the road.

The whole compressed season, bubble, plus no fans in attendance is a killer. We'll see what happens when the pandemic is largely over and the public can attend games again.

Outside of video games, a lot of entertainment businesses are going through the same.

[Mark Celibate]

I'd be surprised if it was just social media alone. For me, I stopped watching sports regularly years ago and it would've happened regardless of the political climate. I'll still have a game on if company is over or if I'm over at a friend's house. I think the main problem is the fact that it's rammed down our throats when watching the actual games. Despite social media's popularity, people don't spend hours out of their day after work scrolling through Lebron's instagram feed or w/e. The problem is that we can't even escape it during the actual broadcasts of the game. Whether it's the kneeling, political warm up shirts during layup lines, or being reminded that the orange man is bad by the commentators. The worst, IMO, was when I was at a friend's house a few months ago and some game was about to start. They were doing "pregame analysis" or atleast that's what I thought it was going to be....instead it was some former player pointing into the camera, lecturing me on how I was the white devil, and that I need to vote for Biden and get Trump out of office. I tuned in for a basketball game, not to watch a CNN re-run

It just seems to have gotten out of control lately. I understand athletes/coaches have always had political stances, but now they can't just STFU for 2 seconds with all the social media or chances to go viral on Youtube. Like a poster said earlier, Pop uses his interviews now to go for the big-time, heavy hitta "Trump man is bad rant" YouTube goods just for ratings

[lefty]

I’m enjoying this thread

A lot of sensitive racist small dicked beta cuck snowflakes getting triggered by Hollywoodi and a basketball players :lol

[FrostKing]

I’m enjoying this thread

A lot of sensitive racist small dicked beta cuck snowflakes getting triggered by Hollywoodi and a basketball players :lol
Wouldn't tuning in to the black supremacy be beta cuck?

[lefty]

Wouldn't tuning in to the black supremacy be beta cuck?
no, beta cuck is in white supremacist’s DNA :lol

[Kim Jong-il]

:lmao why do the most blatant Trumptards always start things off with “I don’t even care about politics!”

[FrostKing]

no, beta cuck is in white supremacist’s DNA :lol
And black supremacist too?

[Kim Jong-il]

Here’s how I make sure I don’t get bombarded with politics when watching sports.

1. I just watch the games.
2. I don’t spend my entire existence worried about what LeBron says when he’s not on the court, or what Fox News says about what LeBron says.

I’m guessing OP spends WAY more time fixated on #2 than #1.

[FrostKing]

Here’s how I make sure I don’t get bombarded with politics when watching sports.

1. I just watch the games.
2. I don’t spend my entire existence worried about what LeBron says when he’s not on the court, or what Fox News says about what LeBron says.

I’m guessing OP spends WAY more time fixated on #2 than #1.
Cool and how do you avoid hearing what ESPN says about what LeBron says while the game airs on ESPN?

Use to be able to turn off the audio but now there is even imagery. Maybe you watch the games with sound off and eyes closed?

[FrostKing]

https://youtu.be/o8-RqCw2Qtg

Car commercial :lol

[Mark Celibate]

Here’s how I make sure I don’t get bombarded with politics when watching sports.

1. I just watch the games.
2. I don’t spend my entire existence worried about what LeBron says when he’s not on the court, or what Fox News says about what LeBron says.

I’m guessing OP spends WAY more time fixated on #2 than #1.

that's true. IMO, I was just looking at it from an outsider perspective. Like I mentioned earlier, I stopped following sports when I did just because it was too time consuming; didn't really have anything to do with politics at the time. Just pointing out things that I find are over the top nowadays whenever I do find myself watching a game. Having commentators/ESPN analysts basically tell me ( a grown adult ) how to think and who to vote for would get tiresome. Both liberal and conservative. Mainstream media obviously leans left, but I also get nauseated hearing conservatives whine about Pedro/Tyrone all the time. But to your point, I think it is also equally autistic for someone to completely stop watching because they get too offended by politics and can't separate the two.

[Kim Jong-il]

Cool and how do you avoid hearing what ESPN says about what LeBron says while the game airs on ESPN?

Use to be able to turn off the audio but now there is even imagery. Maybe you watch the games with sound off and eyes closed?
:lmao if you’re so much of a sensitive little bitch that you can’t ignore 20 seconds of commentary in a 3 hour game, then go watch My Little Pony.

[Kim Jong-il]

https://youtu.be/o8-RqCw2Qtg

Car commercial :lol
Your broke Polack ass can’t afford a Lexus anyways.

[FrostKing]

Your broke Polack ass can’t afford a Lexus anyways.
So fragile you need your political views reinforced during a basketball game.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Luck the Fakers tbh

[GAustex]

Product is not as good as once was. The pushing and shoving more physical play was more interesting than that now-IMO.

Second is the pollicization. Taking sides on anything and everything is hurting business.

I wish it were not so. It is just the way things are now which is sad.

[Spurtacular]

Left been progressively getting worse about being in our face in entertainment over the last two or three decades.
I think the final straw has been blm, scamdemic, etc.

Oscars ratings:
2019 - 29.6 million
2020 - 23.6 million
2021 - 9.85 million

[lefty]

Left been progressively getting worse about being in our face in entertainment over the last two or three decades.
I think the final straw has been blm, scamdemic, etc.

Oscars ratings:
2019 - 29.6 million
2020 - 23.6 million
2021 - 9.85 million
Man a lot of asshurt Trumpist stopped watching the Oscars

Well, there is always baseball

And Nascar « I turn to the left better than you »

[daboom1]

Get woke, go broke.

All facets of entertainment have become propaganda outlets.

I recommend youtube for critical thinking.

[Spurtacular]

Man a lot of asshurt Trumpist stopped watching the Oscars

Well, there is always baseball

And Nascar « I turn to the left better than you »

This is exactly the bull sh** that made people leave.

They're not tuning in to get the middle finger.

Actions have consequences.

[Kim Jong-il]

So fragile you need your political views reinforced during a basketball game.
r/selfawarewolves

[Kim Jong-il]

Get woke, go broke.

All facets of entertainment have become propaganda outlets.

I recommend youtube for critical thinking.
LeBron is close to being a billionaire. You still live with your parents (and hide in your room when they watch Maddow).

[Spurtacular]

LeBron is close to being a billionaire. You still live with your parents (and hide in your room when they watch Maddow).

Suckling those nuts. Par.

[Kim Jong-il]

Suckling those nuts. Par.
Don’t talk to me about what you and Chris do at night, thanks.

[Spurtacular]

:cry

For what it's worth, slob, Lebron admitted he doesn't give a sh** about people after he lost the 2011 Finals because he's living the life and they aren't.

People have realized that they don't have to support primadonnas. It's a good thing, not a bad thing.

[Kim Jong-il]

For what it's worth, slob, Lebron admitted he doesn't give a sh** about people after he lost the 2011 Finals because he's living the life and they aren't.

People have realized that they don't have to support primadonnas. It's a good thing, not a bad thing.
I don’t support LeBron in any way, besides watching him play basketball. Sorry you’re too sensitive for that.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Imagine not watching the Lakers

fify

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c341fe7765e2295be7dfd7cbb8029648/tenor.gif

[ambchang]

White men trying to keep the coloured under control by with drawing their ill gotten money that they earned off the backs of coloured people, and are proud of it.

:lol Amerikkka

[Mark Celibate]

White men trying to keep the coloured under control by with drawing their ill gotten money that they earned off the backs of coloured people, and are proud of it.

:lol Amerikkka

And now we have the dumb opinion....

[Spurtacular]

I don’t support LeBron in any way, besides watching him play basketball. Sorry you’re too sensitive for that.

I don't care what you do. I'm just telling you that LeBron stated his outlook on slobs like you.

Most people continued to watch basketball. But then when someone who was already self-outed as a total a**hole started pulling all his political nonsense, we see how the nosedive finally came.

[KobesAchilles]

It was a combination of a lot of things tbh. One this stupid lack of physical play and everyone just jacking up 3s. It's a really shitty game now. There's no defense, no real difference in playing styles, and star players have no shame in teaming up to win rings anymore. Also teams are tanking to start the season now instead of waiting til the all star break. None of these help the product.

I actually think two things killed the NBA. The first is social media. The NBA got hardcore into posting highlight videos and it was a great investment, but it doesn't really bring in any new fans. And with players no speaking their minds on social media, which hey idgaf about since I don't know any of them, but a shit ton of people get their feelings hurt by their opinions. Now instead of Lebron's words going to like just the people who read the sports page in the LA Times they go to like 35 million people nationwide and different media outlets across our country. And people who don't care about sports are all of a sudden being thrust into hearing about political stances of a sports player. They have no problem stating their stance though if you ask them :lol

The second is the giant pay raise the players get. Shit I know that players are going to make a shit ton of money. But when you make THAT much money, you automatically distance yourself from the common folk. Nobody wants to hear any bitching about your job when you make 40 million a year. Factory workers, graveyard shift workers, manual labor workers all have shitty jobs that are hard. They don't want to hear from basketball players how "hard" they work when they make 1000xs more than them. They also don't want to hear any complaints about their job as well. There are absolute scrub players who don't even play a minute that make a million dollars. Role players now get 20 million to be good once every 5 games.

For the absolute better for NBA players, they are no longer a part of our society. But it's not so good for the NBA going forward. The league will stagnate, but hey what a ride it was

[lefty]

Well maybe that’s a good thing

Maybe Muricans will watch less sports on TV and actually play those sports and stop being SO FAT

[lefty]

It was a combination of a lot of things tbh. One this stupid lack of physical play and everyone just jacking up 3s. It's a really shitty game now. There's no defense, no real difference in playing styles, and star players have no shame in teaming up to win rings anymore. Also teams are tanking to start the season now instead of waiting til the all star break. None of these help the product.

I actually think two things killed the NBA. The first is social media. The NBA got hardcore into posting highlight videos and it was a great investment, but it doesn't really bring in any new fans. And with players no speaking their minds on social media, which hey idgaf about since I don't know any of them, but a shit ton of people get their feelings hurt by their opinions. Now instead of Lebron's words going to like just the people who read the sports page in the LA Times they go to like 35 million people nationwide and different media outlets across our country. And people who don't care about sports are all of a sudden being thrust into hearing about political stances of a sports player. They have no problem stating their stance though if you ask them :lol

The second is the giant pay raise the players get. Shit I know that players are going to make a shit ton of money. But when you make THAT much money, you automatically distance yourself from the common folk. Nobody wants to hear any bitching about your job when you make 40 million a year. Factory workers, graveyard shift workers, manual labor workers all have shitty jobs that are hard. They don't want to hear from basketball players how "hard" they work when they make 1000xs more than them. They also don't want to hear any complaints about their job as well. There are absolute scrub players who don't even play a minute that make a million dollars. Role players now get 20 million to be good once every 5 games.

For the absolute better for NBA players, they are no longer a part of our society. But it's not so good for the NBA going forward. The league will stagnate, but hey what a ride it was

There was no defense before either lol

[daboom1]

I think it's safe to say the NBA became unwatchable after TD retired

The wheels fell off

[Joseph Kony]

Qtards opinions mean fuckall, i'll tell you why the ratings are down:

1. the product this year is garbage. teams are constantly missing key guys, big time players like lebron/AD missing huge chunks of the season, Brooklyn guys have only played 168 mins together, and every night teams are playing half a squad of no names against their opponent

2. no fans in the arenas most of the year. a lot of people cant watch without the crowd as it takes away from the enjoyment/immersion of the game

3. :lol television ratings. only boomers look at TV ratings being indicative of anything. more people shift away from cable, there arent a lot of other good ways to consistently watch ball, and with a lot of people having financial setbacks in the last year, cable is probably one of the first things to get cut. not only that, but again, most people dont watch TV anymore. when you can stream games illegally or just follow them online, why pay for cable?

4. threepoint spamfests constantly lead to blowouts and boring games on national television. people are tired of players load managing and not playing in marquee games so they're tuning out.

5. the "woke" shit probably plays a role but its being vastly overstated. ratings are down across all sports. iirc stanley cup had pitiful ratings this year and they're the most non-woke league full of white dudes in sports, so whats the problem here?

6. no interesting storylines this year (that would interest casuals)



faggots like derp and qhrisbot love stroking each other to Oscar ratings or whatever stupid ass talking point chuck callesto or tucker carlson gives them, but they're certified board retards and everyone knows this. the reality is there are a multitude of factors but the biggest ones are the product on the court is just not as entertaining as it was because of constant threepoint spamfest blowouts and the covid protcols forcing guys to sit out make for a bad product

[Spurtacular]

I think it's safe to say the NBA became unwatchable after TD retired

The wheels fell off

The fact that a capable player like TD was sitting on the bench at end of games vs. the Warriors was a sad commentary on the league tbh.

[ambchang]

White men didn’t financially benefit from slavery

[Neo.]

I think it's safe to say the NBA became unwatchable after TD retired

The wheels fell off


The fact that a capable player like TD was sitting on the bench at end of games vs. the Warriors was a sad commentary on the league tbh.

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[daboom1]

The NBA was looking to go fast paced fun and gun D'antoni style for a long time. TD and the Spurs were "boring". The writing was on the wall.

[KobesAchilles]

There was no defense before either lol
That’s what you took away from it? :lol
There was defense when I was a kid growing up btw. Sorry you didn’t get to see the Bulls in the 90s smothering teams or the 99-03 Spurs or heck even the 04-05 Pistons.

[lefty]

That’s what you took away from it? :lol
There was defense when I was a kid growing up btw. Sorry you didn’t get to see the Bulls in the 90s smothering teams or the 99-03 Spurs or heck even the 04-05 Pistons.

I did watch the Bulls in the 90s and didn’t see all that amazing D or muhphysicality every nostslgic dude is talking about : lol

I mean look at this shit :lmao

https://youtu.be/5zQAGYRjaIs

90s Knicks « defense » :lmao
Ian Mahinmi :lmao

https://youtu.be/vcktdn1WnaU

[baseline bum]

That’s what you took away from it? :lol
There was defense when I was a kid growing up btw. Sorry you didn’t get to see the Bulls in the 90s smothering teams or the 99-03 Spurs or heck even the 04-05 Pistons.

Lefty's trolling. A few years ago he was a Jordan stan who used to shit on today's NBA for all the softness and three point shooting :lol

[FrostKing]

Well maybe that’s a good thing

Maybe Muricans will watch less sports on TV and actually play those sports and stop being SO FAT
I've been watching alot of Food Network


https://i.ibb.co/r02db5t/foodtv-tocbracket-0.jpg
Guy's Tournament of Champions was intense

[lefty]

Lefty's trolling. A few years ago he was a Jordan stan who used to shit on today's NBA for all the softness and three point shooting :lol

Lol we’re not robots , opinions can change
I removed nostalgia goggles that’s all

[Neo.]

Lol we’re not robots , opinions can change
I removed nostalgia goggles that’s all

lol its funny to me bc we used to argue relentlessly against each other on this same topic. then I had stopped posting here for a couple years, come back and see you agreeing with me. i was convinced you were trolling at first too :lol

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Qtards opinions mean fuckall, i'll tell you why the ratings are down:

1. the product this year is garbage. teams are constantly missing key guys, big time players like lebron/AD missing huge chunks of the season, Brooklyn guys have only played 168 mins together, and every night teams are playing half a squad of no names against their opponent

2. no fans in the arenas most of the year. a lot of people cant watch without the crowd as it takes away from the enjoyment/immersion of the game

3. :lol television ratings. only boomers look at TV ratings being indicative of anything. more people shift away from cable, there arent a lot of other good ways to consistently watch ball, and with a lot of people having financial setbacks in the last year, cable is probably one of the first things to get cut. not only that, but again, most people dont watch TV anymore. when you can stream games illegally or just follow them online, why pay for cable?

4. threepoint spamfests constantly lead to blowouts and boring games on national television. people are tired of players load managing and not playing in marquee games so they're tuning out.

5. the "woke" shit probably plays a role but its being vastly overstated. ratings are down across all sports. iirc stanley cup had pitiful ratings this year and they're the most non-woke league full of white dudes in sports, so whats the problem here?

6. no interesting storylines this year (that would interest casuals)



faggots like derp and qhrisbot love stroking each other to Oscar ratings or whatever stupid ass talking point chuck callesto or tucker carlson gives them, but they're certified board retards and everyone knows this. the reality is there are a multitude of factors but the biggest ones are the product on the court is just not as entertaining as it was because of constant threepoint spamfest blowouts and the covid protcols forcing guys to sit out make for a bad product

yep i'd also add the bit about nba marketing focus on drawing in the casuals (ie social media strategy, highlights, also i think broader rule changes like the 3pters, high scores, less defense, prop up snowflake shooters, etc.) while neglecting/annoying actual fans ... and not drawing in the casuals because WHY WOULD YOU FOCUS ON MARKETING BASKETBALL TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T REALLY LIKE BASKETBALL

[lefty]

lol its funny to me bc we used to argue relentlessly against each other on this same topic. then I had stopped posting here for a couple years, come back and see you agreeing with me. i was convinced you were trolling at first too :lol

:bobo

[lefty]

Also other sports/leagues have done a good job gaining a lot of new, younger fans through good PR/com/use of social media

Formula 1 is a good example of that

[Spurtacular]

Lol we’re not robots , opinions can change
I removed nostalgia goggles that’s all

And went overboard. Athleticism is not a be all.
Today's player lacks fortitude. Game is soft as Charmin now.

[lefty]

And went overboard. Athleticism is not a be all.
Today's player lacks fortitude. Game is soft as Charmin now.
Yeah it was so soft back in the days that Kareem and Magic looked at the refs instead of tracking back everytime someoe stripped the ball from them

Or Jordan who cried to Stern because the Pistons were to tough for him
Or Jordan who complained to the refs every night during his career

Tough guys

[Spurtacular]

Yeah it was so soft back in the days that Kareem and Magic looked at the refs instead of tracking back everytime someoe stripped the ball from them

Or Jordan who cried to Stern because the Pistons were to tough for him
Or Jordan who complained to the refs every night during his career

Tough guys

But that's the point. Stern had to soften it up for his pets; but the game on the whole was tougher. Bird and Dr. J never bitched.

[lefty]

But that's the point. Stern had to soften it up for his pets; but the game on the whole was tougher. Bird and Dr. J never bitched.

Bird?
Are you sure?

[FrostKing]

Lol we’re not robots , opinions can change
I removed nostalgia goggles that’s all
Please put the goggles back on old man

[Mr. Body]

No, shitty refereeing killed the NBA.

[Isitjustme?]

But I have to be honest and let you know as a former Los Angelino (moved 2016) after talking to many Laker fans during the 2020 bubble and asking them if they are watching the Lakers dominance about 80-90% said they stopped watching due to identity politics.
There is no way 80 to 90% of people even know what the phrase identity politics even means lmfao

[Spurtacular]

Bird?
Are you sure?

If we're not counting calling out with cause as bitching, then yea, I'm quite sure.

[Spurtacular]

No, shitty refereeing killed the NBA.

For purists. It garnered all kinds of money for the league in theory.

[lefty]

Please put the goggles back on old man

OldSteveRogersNoIdontThinkIWill.gif

[lefty]

If we're not counting calling out with cause as bitching, then yea, I'm quite sure.

If he was a real man he wouldn’t have ran away from his daughter
He is a fucking pussy

[lefty]

No, shitty refereeing killed the NBA.
So that means the NBA died in the 80s-90s

[FrostKing]

OldSteveRogersNoIdontThinkIWill.gif

https://youtu.be/4kMZ23T9VHE

[Spurtacular]

https://youtu.be/4kMZ23T9VHE

Saw them a few times back in the day. Had I realized they'd be the best at what they did, I'd have went to more.

[ElNono]

Get woke, go broke.

All facets of entertainment have become propaganda outlets.

I recommend youtube for critical thinking.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[ambchang]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31363197/golden-state-warriors-coach-steve-kerr-laments-failure-box-pay-attention-detail-modern-nba

Kerr suggests it’s shit fundamentals.

[lefty]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31363197/golden-state-warriors-coach-steve-kerr-laments-failure-box-pay-attention-detail-modern-nba

Kerr suggests it’s shit fundamentals.
Translation: Kerr is mad his team is getting skullfucked

A few years ago he said he was amazed by today’s players skills and fundamentals

[Dirks_Finale]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31363197/golden-state-warriors-coach-steve-kerr-laments-failure-box-pay-attention-detail-modern-nba

Kerr suggests it’s shit fundamentals.

He has a valid point, but things do tighten up quite a bit in the postseason and he knows that.

I would say Pop and the load management cult of today have led to an overall lack of a sense of urgency in the regular season.

[ambchang]

Translation: Kerr is mad his team is getting skullfucked

A few years ago he said he was amazed by today’s players skills and fundamentals

He said skills. And he still reiterated that. Don’t recall he marvelled at :lol today’s nbas fundamentals.

[weeks]

It fuckin sucks and it's corny as hell. It's like those commercials where they beg for shit using poor kids or whatever to guilt trip you, imagine how annoying it would be to watch those on every break and see it on court. Stop demanding shit from me

[james evans]

Lebron isn't "woke". He's a puppet. White folks present so called "revolutionaries" to the public that pacify black folks into thinking they are a danger to the establishment. Kneeling aint accomplishing shit. When lebron starts addressing those sweat shops that are making shoes responsible for his billionaire status, the european jew's involvement in it, and other important events that the NBA has conspired to keep quiet in building up his brand, such as fixing games, then we know he's not being controlled.. Other than that, Lebron is a goddamn tool...

[daslicer]

Lebron isn't "woke". He's a puppet. White folks present so called "revolutionaries" to the public that pacify black folks into thinking they are a danger to the establishment. Kneeling aint accomplishing shit. When lebron starts addressing those sweat shops that are making shoes responsible for his billionaire status, the european jew's involvement in it, and other important events that the NBA has conspired to keep quiet in building up his brand, such as fixing games, then we know he's not being controlled.. Other than that, Lebron is a goddamn tool...

Surprisingly I agree. Historically civil rights leaders MLK,Malcom X did not become a threat to the establishment until they questioned the economic disparities in this country. You will never see Lebron speak out against wealth inequality since he's part of the elite 1 percent. The establishment prefers conversations and protests about racial issues versus talking about their role in creating wealth inequality in this country.

[ambchang]

Lebron isn't "woke". He's a puppet. White folks present so called "revolutionaries" to the public that pacify black folks into thinking they are a danger to the establishment. Kneeling aint accomplishing shit. When lebron starts addressing those sweat shops that are making shoes responsible for his billionaire status, the european jew's involvement in it, and other important events that the NBA has conspired to keep quiet in building up his brand, such as fixing games, then we know he's not being controlled.. Other than that, Lebron is a goddamn tool...


Surprisingly I agree. Historically civil rights leaders MLK,Malcom X did not become a threat to the establishment until they questioned the economic disparities in this country. You will never see Lebron speak out against wealth inequality since he's part of the elite 1 percent. The establishment prefers conversations and protests about racial issues versus talking about their role in creating wealth inequality in this country.

:tu

[MarCowMar]

I’m enjoying this thread

A lot of sensitive racist small dicked beta cuck snowflakes getting triggered by Hollywoodi and a basketball players :lol

I used to watch NBA and NFL regularly because the NBA and NFL used to be a fun way to for people of all backgrounds to come together and enjoy watching the world's best athletes compete for a couple of hours.

Now Hollywood, sports leagues, and major corporations have made their mission clear and that mission is sowing division. If not partaking in that division is being triggered, then pass me a pussy hat.

My sports purchases are cancelled. My streaming services are cancelled. Sodas and fast food, cancelled. TV is disconnected and on a shelf in the closet. I check in here because I have fond memories of this team and the people here. I worry that Pop's irrational hatred of Trump is due to him being a Freemason Satanist, but maybe he is just nuts. The team will be better off when he is gone.

At any rate, my $$$ and viewing time won't be coming back to professional sports for the foreseeable future. Best wishes to everyone here in navigating the turbulent times ahead and remember this:

They want you DIVIDED.
DIVIDED BY RACE.
DIVIDED BY CLASS.
DIVIDED BY RELIGION.
DIVIDED BY POLITICAL AFFILIATION.
DIVIDED AS HUMAN BEINGS.
DIVIDED you are WEAK.
TOGETHER you are STRONG.
WHEN YOU ARE STRONG YOU THINK FOR YOURSELF.
WHEN YOU ARE STRONG YOU CHALLENGE WHAT YOU ARE TOLD TO BELIEVE.
WHEN YOU ARE STRONG YOU ARE AWAKE.
WHEN YOU ARE STRONG YOU ARE NO LONGER CONTROLLED.

https://qanon.pub/?q=They%20want%20you%20DIVIDED

[ambchang]

I used to watch NBA and NFL regularly because the NBA and NFL used to be a fun way to for people of all backgrounds to come together and enjoy watching the world's best athletes compete for a couple of hours.

Now Hollywood, sports leagues, and major corporations have made their mission clear and that mission is sowing division. If not partaking in that division is being triggered, then pass me a pussy hat.

My sports purchases are cancelled. My streaming services are cancelled. Sodas and fast food, cancelled. TV is disconnected and on a shelf in the closet. I check in here because I have fond memories of this team and the people here. I worry that Pop's irrational hatred of Trump is due to him being a Freemason Satanist, but maybe he is just nuts. The team will be better off when he is gone.

At any rate, my $$$ and viewing time won't be coming back to professional sports for the foreseeable future. Best wishes to everyone here in navigating the turbulent times ahead and remember this:

They want you DIVIDED.
DIVIDED BY RACE.
DIVIDED BY CLASS.
DIVIDED BY RELIGION.
DIVIDED BY POLITICAL AFFILIATION.
DIVIDED AS HUMAN BEINGS.
DIVIDED you are WEAK.
TOGETHER you are STRONG.
WHEN YOU ARE STRONG YOU THINK FOR YOURSELF.
WHEN YOU ARE STRONG YOU CHALLENGE WHAT YOU ARE TOLD TO BELIEVE.
WHEN YOU ARE STRONG YOU ARE AWAKE.
WHEN YOU ARE STRONG YOU ARE NO LONGER CONTROLLED.

https://qanon.pub/?q=They%20want%20you%20DIVIDED

:wow you must really hate trump your unpatriotic yankee.

[TDfan2007]

You dont get it do you? The NBA just lost 80% of its audience. Im simply asking what peoples takes are on this. How is responding lol triggered an answer? Im not surprised tho based on the quality of posters responding in such fashion. Sounds more like woke faggots being offended. Also we dont stop watching because we are offended we stop because the product sucks now.

Am I supposed to pretend it doesnt suck and push through it? You can tell the difference between a good series you wanna keep watching and a bad one on TV right? Same shit here except I think it has to do with the politics. You are welcome to disagree and say no I think its other reasons. Trolling has never really been your thing spurraider.

I think you just answered your own question, tbh...

[Texas_Ranger]

NBA announces new social justice award named after Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
The annual award will recognize players making strides in the fight for social justice.


LOL, LeBron is winning this for sure.

[ElNono]

NBA announces new social justice award named after Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
The annual award will recognize players making strides in the fight for social justice.


LOL, LeBron is winning this for sure.

#winning

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1393139315727798278?s=19

#winning

[lefty]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1393139315727798278?s=19

#winning
yeah because it’s all Lebron’s fault

Brilliant, thorough analysis

[ambchang]

Whiteys can’t understand the difference between correlation and causation, it seems.

Also seems to be proud of being ultra sensitive and :cry I’m not going t play if you if you are mean to me :cry

[Leetonidas]

when fans are in stands, half of teams arent sitting out due to COVID protocols/injuries, and this dumb play in tournament are gone, the ratings will be fine

[GAustex]

So you say
I am not convinced ratings will return
the product is not as intriguing as in the past and the politics on top is a heavy yoke to bear.
Headwinds for increasing viewership are strong.
I will believe it when i see it

[140]

The on-court product is the biggest issue. It's shit. Everything else is just noise tbh

[FrostKing]

NBA announces new social justice award named after Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
The annual award will recognize players making strides in the fight for social justice.


LOL, LeBron is winning this for sure.
"But MJ never won the Jabbar"


when fans are in stands, half of teams arent sitting out due to COVID protocols/injuries, and this dumb play in tournament are gone, the ratings will be fine
Why would fans not enjoy more competitive games? I understand the players being upset. More proof that their attitude is part of the problem.

[Neo.]

rules definitely need to be adjusted a bit to improve the game

extend the 3pt line 12-18 inches
make the corner 3 the same distance
enforce flopping penalties more
clear up definitions that award so many fouls to offensive players that blatantly initiate contact (especially unnatural moves, like jumping sideways into a defender on your hip, or swing-through moves)

[lefty]

Meh they should just remove the 3 pt line altogether imho but we all know that’s bot happening

Or if they keep it as it is, they should just remove the zone D
Zone D has definitely led to more 3 pt shooting

If they extend it, players will adapt overtime and it will be same shit

[Neo.]

Meh they should just remove the 3 pt line altogether imho but we all know that’s bot happening

Or if they keep it as it is, they should just remove the zone D
Zone D has definitely led to more 3 pt shooting

If they extend it, players will adapt overtime and it will be same shit

i think the 3 is a good part of the game, its just become too easy of a shot. but before it was overly spammed, i felt it was a fun part of the game, allowed for some major momentum swings, and helps space the middle for post players. im afraid that if you take away the line, then theres basically no reason to play defense more than 18 feet out, and it will just be a sloppy mess in the paint, and the defense conceding a bunch of long 2s.

i prefer seeing zone d to seeing blatant hand checking. but you have to have one or the other, otherwise its literally impossible to play good defense and scoring will be 150ppg+.

i mostly think if they adjust fould definitions to get rid of the cheap fouls that offensive players initiate, that will bring back a lot more of the physicality to the game, and encourage more mid-range and post-ups, and fix the vast majority of the problems. if i had to choose one aspect to adjust, it would easily be rule definitions over adjusting the 3pt line.

[lefty]

i think the 3 is a good part of the game, its just become too easy of a shot. but before it was overly spammed, i felt it was a fun part of the game, allowed for some major momentum swings, and helps space the middle for post players. im afraid that if you take away the line, then theres basically no reason to play defense more than 18 feet out, and it will just be a sloppy mess in the paint, and the defense conceding a bunch of long 2s.

i prefer seeing zone d to seeing blatant hand checking. but you have to have one or the other, otherwise its literally impossible to play good defense and scoring will be 150ppg+.

i mostly think if they adjust fould definitions to get rid of the cheap fouls that offensive players initiate, that will bring back a lot more of the physicality to the game, and encourage more mid-range and post-ups, and fix the vast majority of the problems. if i had to choose one aspect to adjust, it would easily be rule definitions over adjusting the 3pt line.
3 pt line definitely has its place in the game , I think it was more fun was it was only a part of the game like it was in 1990´s - when there was no zone D.

When Majerle made 6 three pointers in a Finals game , or if he made a long 3 people would talk about it the next day. Now you have guys like Curry or Dame who make 10 three pointers a night from the logo after a doing a sick crossover dribble and we’re like « meh it’s normal » it’s like watching someone make free throws:lol

[ElNono]

Should shorten the 3 point line, tbh...

This is all for the casuals, you niglets don't get it. The fans of the game will always be there in some capacity or another.

The fans take care of filling up the shitty parts of the arena, the corporate tixs go to the casuals, and the teams cash in whether they show up or not.

Same thing with ratings, all about the casual fan that wants to watch "history in the making" and "350 points scored in a game for the first time ever"

[Dirks_Finale]

Yeah they are more likely to add a 4 pointer before they ditch the 3.


Meh they should just remove the 3 pt line altogether imho but we all know that’s bot happening

Or if they keep it as it is, they should just remove the zone D
Zone D has definitely led to more 3 pt shooting

If they extend it, players will adapt overtime and it will be same shit

[lefty]

Should shorten the 3 point line, tbh...


Why? DK is retired

[Neo.]

3 pt line definitely has its place in the game , I think it was more fun was it was only a part of the game like it was in 1990´s - when there was no zone D.

When Majerle made 6 three pointers in a Finals game , or if he made a long 3 people would talk about it the next day. Now you have guys like Curry or Dame who make 10 three pointers a night from the logo after a doing a sick crossover dribble and we’re like « meh it’s normal » it’s like watching someone make free throws:lol

i think its a bit of a stretch to say when steph or dame does it that its normal or "meh", it definitely still amazes people, its just not a new thing anymore. but tbh thats the same for all exceptional skills, whether it was dirks fade, kareems skyhook, or mikes turnaround. they are iconic shots that initially wowed people to no end, but in time lost their luster and just became routine, expected shots for those particular guys.

but i think that by lengthening the 3pt line, it will discourage coaches allowing average joes to chuck like them since %s will certainly drop, and thus the mathematical justification for doing it will no longer exist. it will keep those super deep, difficult 3pointers more exclusive to the truly elite shooters, or someone having an unbelievably hot night. no different than an average player trying to imitate mikes fadeaway, where if they cant make it and keep taking it, they will inexplicably get benched. players get benched for "doing too much", but the 3pt shot is so easy right now that crappy shooters can still hit 33% which mathematically justifies them shooting. make it harder to where they are consistently shooting 25%, and coaches wont allow it nearly as much.

[lefty]

i think its a bit of a stretch to say when steph or dame does it that its normal or "meh", it definitely still amazes people, its just not a new thing anymore. but tbh thats the same for all exceptional skills, whether it was dirks fade, kareems skyhook, or mikes turnaround. they are iconic shots that initially wowed people to no end, but in time lost their luster and just became routine, expected shots for those particular guys.

but i think that by lengthening the 3pt line, it will discourage coaches allowing average joes to chuck like them since %s will certainly drop, and thus the mathematical justification for doing it will no longer exist. it will keep those super deep, difficult 3pointers more exclusive to the truly elite shooters, or someone having an unbelievably hot night. no different than an average player trying to imitate mikes fadeaway, where if they cant make it and keep taking it, they will inexplicably get benched. players get benched for "doing too much", but the 3pt shot is so easy right now that crappy shooters can still hit 33% which mathematically justifies them shooting. make it harder to where they are consistently shooting 25%, and coaches wont allow it nearly as much.

Yes today few players would be able to shoot from behind a 4 pt line, an exclusive group of players as you say, but players will eventually adapt and the next generation of average joes will be able to shoot 4 pointers

[Neo.]

Yes today few players would be able to shoot from behind a 4 pt line, an exclusive group of players as you say, but players will eventually adapt and the next generation of average joes will be able to shoot 4 pointers

perhaps they will adapt, although i dont think its quite that easy as there are still physical human limitations. otherwise then by that theory, in 50 more years everyone will be able to consistently hit 90 foot heaves.

but regardless if a player can consistently shoot from 28+, they are not average by any means. thats exceptional.

[Thread]

He got caught indicting White for wanting him just for the high probability of #17. Caught us dead to rights, on-the-spot. We rose up and gave him in the finger.

We'll then he was conflicted. "Should I win it, or, deny White their onions, their (want), their (need)?" tee, hee. Because it was like money from home. Guaranteed. Just show up and iron out the bubbles on the BLM decals and tip the fuckin' ball. 48 minutes later #17 and White forgets that mother fucker.

He couldn't help himself>>>A real Black woulda got in his streets, knelt at the mid court and refused to move.

Thanks LeBron for #17. Now, shut the fuck up.

[lefty]

perhaps they will adapt, although i dont think its quite that easy as there are still physical human limitations. otherwise then by that theory, in 50 more years everyone will be able to consistently hit 90 foot heaves.

but regardless if a player can consistently shoot from 28+, they are not average by any means. thats exceptional.

In 50 years they won’t even have to get in the arena, they will literally shoot from the parking lot :lol

[DMC]

NBA has a few issues.

1. Lack of a true face of the NBA. Lebron has tried to be that and has been somewhat successful but he's too political to represent a private business very well.
2. Too much talent on too few teams. This was ok back when there were 1 or 2 games on TV but now you can watch every game of every team from your living room. Why would you want to when 90% of them are farm teams?
3. COVID-19
4. They keep remaking themselves to try to improve their earnings. They should have shitcanned things like the dunk contest a long time ago and just award the best in-game dunk of the year. You might see better in game dunks if they did. Compounding the issue is when a non NBAer can out dunk any of them and they show it on TV with NBA personalities commenting.
5. Player contracts are worthless. If your team isn't a large market team and you get a good draft pick, there's a good chance that pick will sit out and demand a trade. I'd give the NBA more thought if teams started kicking these people out. So you're a good shooter and you can dunk? Too bad you reneged on your contract. Now you're not eligible to play in the NBA. Good luck in China. The NBA has to enforce this though, it cannot be franchises fighting over this player like dogs over a bone.

What isn't a problem in the NBA

1. The 3 pt shot. If players are getting better at it, so be it. I want to see out of this world skills.
2. Boring teams. If teams play fundamental basketball and they can fill their seats, that's their brand of ball and the rules shouldn't change to make them more exciting.
3. Players having political opinions. Players are stars, people want their opinions and they are allowed to have them, and maybe it's incumbent upon them to voice their opinion on sensitive social issues. There's a fine line though between having an opinion and being a mouthpiece, and like anyone else in the spotlight, they will be held responsible for the things they say.

[FrostKing]

NBA is in a catch 22 with the politics. They are a League centered on star players/image. It suits them with popularity of social media. Central reason why the game (not necessarily any longer the League) is so popular globally.

Currently the League is a hostage to what occurs socially & culturally to the singular player demographic - American black males.

Note: MLB is 60% white male but NBA is 75% black male.

NBA needs more diversity. Then this stuff will still have a place in the League but it won't be so one-sided and repetitive. Consider when Kanter and his political issues were a hot topic and Jeremy Lin & his experience. Imagine Yao Ming playing today.

[DMC]

NBA is in a catch 22 with the politics. They are a League centered on star players/image. It suits them with popularity of social media. Central reason why the game (not necessarily any longer the League) is so popular globally.

Currently the League is a hostage to what occurs socially & culturally to the singular player demographic - American black males.

Note: MLB is 60% white male but NBA is 75% black male.

NBA needs more diversity. Then this stuff will still have a place in the League but it won't be so one-sided and repetitive. Consider when Kanter and his political issues were a hot topic and Jeremy Lin & his experience. Imagine Yao Ming playing today.

Anus Cancer's issues never really caught my attention. Jeremy Lin, I think, made more of a few comments at him than was probably needed just to get the attention. Yao Ming playing today wouldn't really mean anything, the NBA is already blowing China. I mean, Yao was raised to play ball, his mom and dad were forced to have a child together and that child was forced to play basketball. Great example.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/MhpTbY3/Screenshot-20210517-102656-Chrome.jpg

[lefty]

The biggest MJ slurper after Skip :lol

Jordan scores a normal layup
“A gorgeous move… by Michael Jordan”

[FrostKing]

During my morning stretch I channel surfed and clicked on Knicks/Hawks. Took me a few moments to realize who the "MLK" are. Not even their team colors. Imagine putting on a German football match (playoff no less) and the team has Martin Luther initials across the chest. Confusing.

Players lounging around the bench area. All the clothing contains some ambiguous word. If not some $100 walmart hoodie.

The product is messy and amateurish. For their sake it changes after Covid but this has inmates running the asylum vibe all over it.

[i'm_still_beta]

The biggest MJ slurper after Skip :lol

Jordan scores a normal layup
“A gorgeous move… by Michael Jordan”
Huh? What about Bob Costas?

[lefty]

Huh? What about Bob Costas?
Him too

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/CtSMJLn/Screenshot-20210602-104202-Chrome.jpg

Basketball in America is a sinking ship

[Thread]

During my morning stretch I channel surfed and clicked on Knicks/Hawks. Took me a few moments to realize who the "MLK" are. Not even their team colors. Imagine putting on a German football match (playoff no less) and the team has Martin Luther initials across the chest. Confusing.

Players lounging around the bench area. All the clothing contains some ambiguous word. If not some $100 walmart hoodie.

The product is messy and amateurish. For their sake it changes after Covid but this has inmates running the asylum vibe all over it.

...it was either let 'em run it, or, face dire consequences.

[baseline bum]

The biggest MJ slurper after Skip :lol

Jordan scores a normal layup
“A gorgeous move… by Michael Jordan”

Ahmad Rashad was the worst.

[Thread]

Ahmad Rashad was the worst.

That's right, bum! They used to drive around together, uh, tights.