View Full Version : Biden set to announce $200 billion for universal pre-K in sweeping new proposal
ducks
04-27-2021, 06:27 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/27/politics/universal-pre-k-200-billion/index.html
Winehole23
04-27-2021, 08:27 PM
The focus on investment in and direct aid to families is already a motif. Republicans, are you paying attention?
The proposal will direct the funds toward universal pre-school for all three- and four-year-olds through a national partnership with states, the official said. The White House estimates it will benefit 5 million children and save the average family $13,000 when the plan is fully implemented.
The proposal marks a key plank of Biden's roughly $1.8 trillion American Families Plan, the second prong of his sweeping $4 trillion in spending on physical infrastructure, research and development, home care, child care, paid family and medical leave and extensions of key anti-poverty tax credits.
:tu
ducks
04-27-2021, 08:30 PM
I do not think it is the governments job to educate my kids
I do not send my kids to public schools
They are teaching the true history of the country. They do not teach the good and bad things in USA history
All you posters with parents who die and leave them their house and some investments all totally over $1 million (don't think your inheritance won't reach that especially by the time your parents pass - any decent house in Miami NOW is about 1/2 million) won't think Biden's plan is so great when you have to fork over a whopping 40% capital gains tax + Obamacare investment tax. How is Biden's plan being paid for - NO STEP-UP in value on that house your parents paid $50k for - instead prepare to sell that house just to pay the taxes and cry over what little is left of your inheritance.
There will be a mad rush to sell houses that have appreciated and use those $250k exemptions to avoid paying taxes. Except, of course, those seniors who don't know, or can't sell their house - or should I say poor ordinary folks (not the rich ones who have their tax lawyers and accountants to help navigate them around paying these taxes).
One of the most people's friendlier president we had in some time. Women who have children in particular are cashing in big with Biden.
ducks
04-28-2021, 04:16 PM
One of the most people's friendlier president we had in some time. Women who have children in particular are cashing in big with Biden.
If they love handouts
Anti-poverty measures - what a joke. Imo, the 2 things that would help lift people out of poverty the most is emphasis on a 2-parent home and better education through school choice. Lebron, instead of his "social justice" comments, ought to be out there pushing the benefits of being/staying with the same woman your entire adult life. And instead of bowing to the teachers' unions (voting Dem), parents should be demanding school choice so that they and their kids can decide what will best lift them out of poverty (a good education) - not following STUPID policies like getting rid of VA's calculus classes.
Trill Clinton
04-28-2021, 06:03 PM
A president who actually cares for our children?https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/whoo.png
Blake
04-28-2021, 06:46 PM
Anti-poverty measures - what a joke. Imo, the 2 things that would help lift people out of poverty the most is emphasis on a 2-parent home and better education through school choice. Lebron, instead of his "social justice" comments, ought to be out there pushing the benefits of being/staying with the same woman your entire adult life. And instead of bowing to the teachers' unions (voting Dem), parents should be demanding school choice so that they and their kids can decide what will best lift them out of poverty (a good education) - not following STUPID policies like getting rid of VA's calculus classes.
What a pile of shit
One of the most people's friendlier president we had in some time. Women who have children in particular are cashing in big with Biden.
We'll see how people friendly he is when you're forking over half of your inheritance. Oh but, it's only the rich it's gonna affect. Sorry, dear - that 1 million that year will be easily met by the time your parents pass.
Cash in big for 18 years and pay for 50 years? Or CHOOSE not to have children and pay for 70 years?
spurraider21
04-28-2021, 06:51 PM
What a pile of shit
school choice just fucks over everybody who cant afford private school tuition or doesnt have the means to have their kids commute to a farther school. its just a way for wealthier americans who pay for private school to be subsidized
What a pile of shit
says the man who sends his child to private, RELIGIOUS school - I guess public school must not be so hot after all.
school choice just fucks over everybody who cant afford private school tuition or doesnt have the means to have their kids commute to a farther school. its just a way for wealthier americans who pay for private school to be subsidized
We'll see what you have to say about the subject when your doctor wife starts popping out the kids. Now, don't take into consideration the school zone(s) you live in when you buy that nice house.
spurraider21
04-28-2021, 07:09 PM
We'll see what you have to say about the subject when your doctor wife starts popping out the kids. Now, don't take into consideration the school zone(s) you live in when you buy that nice house.
we're expecting our first child in just over 2 months. that doesnt mean i suddenly feel inclined to fuck over poor people so i can have them subsidize private school tuitions. the goal should be to improve the conditions of the schools that everybody has access to, not divert funding from the struggling schools to the ones that are already doing just fine
we're expecting our first child in just over 2 months. that doesnt mean i suddenly feel inclined to fuck over poor people so i can have them subsidize private school tuitions. the goal should be to improve the conditions of the schools that everybody has access to, not divert funding from the struggling schools to the ones that are already doing just fine
Big congrats there my bro. :tu
Blake
04-28-2021, 08:07 PM
says the man who sends his child to private, RELIGIOUS school - I guess public school must not be so hot after all.
I'm not begging for a handout to pay for her to go to RELIGIOUS private school.
It paid off tho. She had a great high school experience and has scholarship offers rolling in.
we're expecting our first child in just over 2 months. that doesnt mean i suddenly feel inclined to fuck over poor people so i can have them subsidize private school tuitions. the goal should be to improve the conditions of the schools that everybody has access to, not divert funding from the struggling schools to the ones that are already doing just fine
Congratulations - prepare yourself for the wildest ride ever. Even with an empty nest here, parenthood never stops.
The money should follow the student - like in Canada and Finland (iirc). Competition improves the product - not subsidizing teachers' unions and poorly managed schools - that's just more of the same.
I'm not begging for a handout to pay for her to go to RELIGIOUS private school.
It paid off tho. She had a great high school experience and has scholarship offers rolling in.
I'm all for the money following the student. Your child is just as entitled to an education as any other child. Who says it must be a public school - we should change this kind of thinking. You/your child should get to choose what's best for the child.
I'm not begging for a handout to pay for her to go to RELIGIOUS private school.
It paid off tho. She had a great high school experience and has scholarship offers rolling in.
I know you didn't send her there for the religion part but that you felt it was the best place for her. I'm glad it worked out. Not everyone can afford to do what you did though. But I feel that they also should have a choice - not be stuck in whatever poorly performing school that serves their zip code.
Adam Lambert
04-28-2021, 08:25 PM
Those of you who think the poor should get off their lazy asses and get jobs should be happy about this. Now more single mothers have an incentive to get a job because their entire paycheck won't be going to daycare.
Sorry, I'm in such a snitty mood - just found out that (aspie) ds might fail one of his classes - that's why he's not been so hot on graduation. I've got to re-think the whole moving him out and finding another apartment this late in the game (if he fails).
Don't you guys have free PK where you are? We do here. And it won't do squat. Buying technology for each child to play books on tape will do more for educational outcomes than that glorified baby sitting. Do you know that they discourage teaching phonics here in PK (in effect hold back the kids) just so they can all be at the same level in Kindergarten (like it'll stay that way for long).
Blake
04-28-2021, 08:49 PM
I know you didn't send her there for the religion part but that you felt it was the best place for her. I'm glad it worked out. Not everyone can afford to do what you did though. But I feel that they also should have a choice - not be stuck in whatever poorly performing school that serves their zip code.
Boo capitalism Hooray socialism!
Boo capitalism Hooray socialism!
Labels ... Is that what education is in Canada and Finland - the bastions of socialism? Somehow they manage to have the money follow the student and I'm sure have better educational outcomes than we do. You all can call it what you want but nobody could be happy with this system - I certainly wasn't and look at the drastic measures I took to avoid it.. I live here so these are the elementary, middle and senior high I must go to? We keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results - insanity. And now we're going to add pre-k to it - more madness and pay for it with the upheaval of the real estate market.
Isitjustme?
04-28-2021, 10:04 PM
ducks in here reporting good news like its bad news.
ElNono
04-28-2021, 10:27 PM
All you posters with parents who die and leave them their house and some investments all totally over $1 million (don't think your inheritance won't reach that especially by the time your parents pass - any decent house in Miami NOW is about 1/2 million) won't think Biden's plan is so great when you have to fork over a whopping 40% capital gains tax + Obamacare investment tax. How is Biden's plan being paid for - NO STEP-UP in value on that house your parents paid $50k for - instead prepare to sell that house just to pay the taxes and cry over what little is left of your inheritance.
There will be a mad rush to sell houses that have appreciated and use those $250k exemptions to avoid paying taxes. Except, of course, those seniors who don't know, or can't sell their house - or should I say poor ordinary folks (not the rich ones who have their tax lawyers and accountants to help navigate them around paying these taxes).
I still think it's pretty great. Now what is your argument?
ElNono
04-28-2021, 10:29 PM
I'm all for the money following the student. Your child is just as entitled to an education as any other child. Who says it must be a public school - we should change this kind of thinking. You/your child should get to choose what's best for the child.
If you're a byproduct of changing that kind of thinking, maybe we shouldn't change it, tbh.
If you're a byproduct of changing that kind of thinking, maybe we shouldn't change it, tbh.
You think that public education in this country is good? Lol - we must have very different standards of what a good education is.
I still think it's pretty great. Now what is your argument?
Iirc, you are one of those who subscribe to the Dave Ramsey thinking of paying off for the house - no debt. Biden's plan will be a pariah to your heirs.
If it passes, the way to go is to sell any house with a lot of equity, take that $250k/$500k exemption - use some of what your heirs would have paid Biden in taxes as down payment for another home and invest the rest elsewhere.
You, of course, are entitled to your opinion. I am of the opinion that there is hardly anything that government does that is run efficiently or well (or better than what private can do).
Adam Lambert
04-28-2021, 11:33 PM
Ah yes the old "young people will be paying this off for years" canard that we only hear when there's a deficit under a Democrat presidency.
spurraider21
04-28-2021, 11:47 PM
All you posters with parents who die and leave them their house and some investments all totally over $1 million (don't think your inheritance won't reach that especially by the time your parents pass - any decent house in Miami NOW is about 1/2 million) won't think Biden's plan is so great when you have to fork over a whopping 40% capital gains tax + Obamacare investment tax. How is Biden's plan being paid for - NO STEP-UP in value on that house your parents paid $50k for - instead prepare to sell that house just to pay the taxes and cry over what little is left of your inheritance.
There will be a mad rush to sell houses that have appreciated and use those $250k exemptions to avoid paying taxes. Except, of course, those seniors who don't know, or can't sell their house - or should I say poor ordinary folks (not the rich ones who have their tax lawyers and accountants to help navigate them around paying these taxes).
:lol brushing off million dollar inheritances as if everybody gets that
truly an elitist
ElNono
04-28-2021, 11:55 PM
You think that public education in this country is good? Lol - we must have very different standards of what a good education is.
I think it speaks for itself with every post we make...
Iirc, you are one of those who subscribe to the Dave Ramsey thinking of paying off for the house - no debt. Biden's plan will be a pariah to your heirs.
If it passes, the way to go is to sell any house with a lot of equity, take that $250k/$500k exemption - use some of what your heirs would have paid Biden in taxes as down payment for another home and invest the rest elsewhere.
You, of course, are entitled to your opinion. I am of the opinion that there is hardly anything that government does that is run efficiently or well (or better than what private can do).
No idea who Dave Ramsey is, but sounds like he understands economics. That said, I don't think it has anything to do with your argument.
You argument is that you have nothing, and you inherit a million dollar house, and why should you pay taxes on that?... I mean, it's income. Over half a million is not enough? You had nothing, you suddenly have over half a million and the first thing that comes to your mind is that the glass is half empty?
You must be the life of the party...
:lol brushing off million dollar inheritances as if everybody gets that
truly an elitist
Well, you and your wife's own incomes/gains will probably take up more than a quarter of that by themselves by then - not counting the inheritance. And God forbid parent on both sides go in the same year.
This will (edit: likely) apply to you.
I think it speaks for itself with every post we make...
No idea who Dave Ramsey is, but sounds like he understands economics. That said, I don't think it has anything to do with your argument.
You argument is that you have nothing, and you inherit a million dollar house, and why should you pay taxes on that?... I mean, it's income. Over half a million is not enough? You had nothing, you suddenly have over half a million and the first thing that comes to your mind is that the glass is half empty?
You must be the life of the party...
Dave Ramsey is fine for people who have trouble being disciplined with their money - who spend instead of investing. It would make no sense to build up lots of home equity under Biden's plan - especially in this day of LOW interest rates (and high stock market).
You and I have very different opinions on WHOSE money that actually is. You are probably ok with the government taking half of yours, but I'm not. I'm not slaving away so that the government can take half of it and waste it on whatever rubbish pet project they deem important (like $80 billion on more IRS workers - have you ever called the IRS and gotten a straight answer). I'm working hard so that my children can have a better life - I want whatever I leave to go to them - not the government.
pgardn
04-29-2021, 08:12 AM
You think that public education in this country is good? Lol - we must have very different standards of what a good education is.
Absolutely it is.
If you live in a wealthy area you are more likely to have excellent public schools especially in the advanced classes.
And we are all wealthy right, I mean the gap in wealth is closing, all ships are rising so good news.
And public Money should not follow kids if they go to private schools who dont allow all the public in that area in. Taxes follow kids. Everyone is entitled. And since most states separate kids on the basis of where they live here we are. So solve this. You dont get my tax money for your kid to go to a school as my kid is not allowed into because he is a heathen.
coyotes_geek
04-29-2021, 09:08 AM
You think that public education in this country is good? Lol - we must have very different standards of what a good education is.
Public education in this country is uneven. It's usually really good in the affluent suburbs, and not so much in the poorer urban and rural areas. I'm actually with you on vouchers, but they should be allocated on a sliding scale that adjusts for family income and the performance of applicable public school.
coyotes_geek
04-29-2021, 09:14 AM
The best thing we could do for public education though, at least in Texas, is drastically reduce the number of school districts we have. The smaller the districts, the more likely you end up with districts that only serve one end of the economic spectrum or the other.
baseline bum
04-29-2021, 09:25 AM
Dave Ramsey is fine for people who have trouble being disciplined with their money - who spend instead of investing. It would make no sense to build up lots of home equity under Biden's plan - especially in this day of LOW interest rates (and high stock market).
You and I have very different opinions on WHOSE money that actually is. You are probably ok with the government taking half of yours, but I'm not. I'm not slaving away so that the government can take half of it and waste it on whatever rubbish pet project they deem important (like $80 billion on more IRS workers - have you ever called the IRS and gotten a straight answer). I'm working hard so that my children can have a better life - I want whatever I leave to go to them - not the government.
:cry Waaaaaah :cry $80 billion to go after tax cheats but Trump busts a $2.3 trillion hole in our deficit to give himself and other rich people a tax cut and not a word against
Blake
04-29-2021, 09:40 AM
If we end up with a voucher system, we can effectively say goodbye to the public school system as we know it. It'll be more like our current college system which frankly sucks.
Chucho
04-29-2021, 10:39 AM
Good stuff. Parents can really use this.
RandomGuy
04-29-2021, 11:51 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/27/politics/universal-pre-k-200-billion/index.html
Sounds like a good start. :tu
RandomGuy
04-29-2021, 11:52 AM
I do not think it is the governments job to educate my kids
I do not send my kids to public schools
They are teaching the true history of the country. They do not teach the good and bad things in USA history
That explains a lot. :lol
You were homeschooled.
ducks
04-29-2021, 02:01 PM
That explains a lot. :lol
You were homeschooled.
I did not saw that I went to public school
hater
04-29-2021, 02:07 PM
Given that our shit military is spending 30 billion on a worthless missile defense system. Where each Interceptor will cost 500 million EACH
I see this pre K thing as a great thing :tu
hater
04-29-2021, 02:09 PM
I do not think it is the governments job to educate my kids
I do not send my kids to public schools
They are teaching the true history of the country. They do not teach the good and bad things in USA history
I dont think its our governments job to spend 1 trillion dollars a year on worthless military spending. But here we are :lol
Ef-man
04-29-2021, 02:22 PM
Given that our shit military is spending 30 billion on a worthless missile defense system. Where each Interceptor will cost 500 million EACH
I see this pre K thing as a great thing :tu
Related article on military asking for more funds as they are unsure of things.
Navy at ‘Unacceptable Risk’ From Missiles, Pentagon Tester Warns.
The U.S. Navy “currently does not have a well-defined strategy or funding” for testing to determine whether radar and self-defense systems on board many of its vessels can stop anti-ship cruise missiles, according to the Pentagon’s acting director of combat testing.
The shortfalls are “creating an unacceptable risk in our ability to evaluate the operational effectiveness and survivability of future ships in combat,” according to Raymond O’Toole, acting director of operational testing and evaluation. His remarks came in a prepared statement for a hearing Wednesday by a Senate Armed Services subcommittee examining the Defense Department’s acquisition system.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-28/navy-at-unacceptable-risk-from-missiles-pentagon-tester-warns
Trill Clinton
04-29-2021, 02:25 PM
I did not see that when I went to public school
fify
That explains a lot. :lol
You were homeschooled.
Do you mean individualized, personal instruction from someone who loves you most in the world? That homeschooling? Or the disaster of online learning/zoom meetings with public school teachers that's being conflated with schooling at home?
hater
04-29-2021, 02:47 PM
Related article on military asking for more funds as they are unsure of things.
Navy at ‘Unacceptable Risk’ From Missiles, Pentagon Tester Warns.
The U.S. Navy “currently does not have a well-defined strategy or funding” for testing to determine whether radar and self-defense systems on board many of its vessels can stop anti-ship cruise missiles, according to the Pentagon’s acting director of combat testing.
The shortfalls are “creating an unacceptable risk in our ability to evaluate the operational effectiveness and survivability of future ships in combat,” according to Raymond O’Toole, acting director of operational testing and evaluation. His remarks came in a prepared statement for a hearing Wednesday by a Senate Armed Services subcommittee examining the Defense Department’s acquisition system.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-28/navy-at-unacceptable-risk-from-missiles-pentagon-tester-warns
U should look into that 20 billion dollar Interceptor program. Its a joke :lol
They plan to have 31 missiles total. Thats it for 28 billion :lol 10 of them will be used for practice so.we are down to 21. Thats enough to intercept all N Korean missiles EXCEPT unless Kim Jong decides to use multiple warheads. If he uses 1 missile w 5 warheads, it would take ALL our interceptors to take it out. Then Kim Jong can launch his 2nd missile :lmao :lol
koriwhat
04-29-2021, 03:08 PM
All that money to teach kids how to color outside the lines... :lmao
koriwhat
04-29-2021, 03:09 PM
You think that public education in this country is good? Lol - we must have very different standards of what a good education is.
Pub edu is nothing more than indoctrination/propaganda. These people who say otherwise are simply dipshits or trying to keep the institutional propaganda machine going.
ducks
04-29-2021, 03:16 PM
All that money to teach kids how to color outside the lines... :lmao
It is daycare
koriwhat
04-29-2021, 03:18 PM
It is daycare
Indeed it is. Maybe PedoBiden needs to allocate $200 billion to ST for all the babies here.
Ef-man
04-29-2021, 03:27 PM
It is daycare
Sad day indeed for “dgaf” joey when ducks has a better understanding of the issues at hand and corrects him.
RandomGuy
04-29-2021, 03:58 PM
Do you mean individualized, personal instruction from someone who loves you most in the world? That homeschooling? Or the disaster of online learning/zoom meetings with public school teachers that's being conflated with schooling at home?
Sorry most parents don't have applicable degrees or formal training in pedagogy.
Or for that matter time.
Home schooling is, with some exceptions, a solution for entitled, spoiled twits who are afraid their kids will pick up actual critical thinking skills to overcome their religious or political indoctrination, IMO.
RandomGuy
04-29-2021, 04:00 PM
I think it speaks for itself with every post we make...
No idea who Dave Ramsey is, but sounds like he understands economics. That said, I don't think it has anything to do with your argument.
You argument is that you have nothing, and you inherit a million dollar house, and why should you pay taxes on that?... I mean, it's income. Over half a million is not enough? You had nothing, you suddenly have over half a million and the first thing that comes to your mind is that the glass is half empty?
You must be the life of the party...
Sense of entitlement a mile wide.
Sorry most parents don't have applicable degrees or formal training in pedagogy.
Or for that matter time.
Home schooling is, with some exceptions, a solution for entitled, spoiled twits who are afraid their kids will pick up actual critical thinking skills to overcome their religious or political indoctrination, IMO.
And where are they going to pick up those actual critical thinking skills? In public schools, from public school teachers? - lol. Talk about the first source of political indoctrination - public schools and now they're gonna get them at 3-4 years old.
It doesn't take degrees, training or loads of money to educate kids. It's the basics - 3 Rs (and lots of reading) - and less of that indoctrination, xxxxxxxxx history month, incessant testing and lining up. Give them a strong foundation in math and reading - even writing can wait - if exposed to a lot of read-alouds and reading material (history, science, good children's literature).
ducks
04-29-2021, 04:57 PM
Poll: 71 Percent of US Voters Say Illegal Immigrants Shouldn't Get Any Aid
Blake
04-29-2021, 05:13 PM
Pub edu is nothing more than indoctrination/propaganda. These people who say otherwise are simply dipshits or trying to keep the institutional propaganda machine going.
Lol what do you think private school education is then?
ElNono
04-29-2021, 11:32 PM
Dave Ramsey is fine for people who have trouble being disciplined with their money - who spend instead of investing. It would make no sense to build up lots of home equity under Biden's plan - especially in this day of LOW interest rates (and high stock market).
You and I have very different opinions on WHOSE money that actually is. You are probably ok with the government taking half of yours, but I'm not. I'm not slaving away so that the government can take half of it and waste it on whatever rubbish pet project they deem important (like $80 billion on more IRS workers - have you ever called the IRS and gotten a straight answer). I'm working hard so that my children can have a better life - I want whatever I leave to go to them - not the government.
You made your decision when you chose to live in this country. You live in this society and it has rules, including paying your taxes. If it sucks so bad to live here with those rules, then move somewhere else. And if you don't want to move, then deal with the rules.
I also happen not to be an extremely greedy person that's consistently thinking about only myself and my pocket. I do think government provides certain services that are absolutely required, like Medicaid, and wish they would expand more in the healthcare area, even though I probably wouldn't qualify for those benefits. Everything isn't about me and my money. There's people really struggling out there, and despite donations, etc, it's just not enough.
And there's other areas I don't like how government runs things, and if there's anything I can do to change that, I try to do it. In general, I find that I have no control, so I don't see the need to consistently have to whine about things I don't control.
ElNono
04-29-2021, 11:36 PM
Do you mean individualized, personal instruction from someone who loves you most in the world? That homeschooling? Or the disaster of online learning/zoom meetings with public school teachers that's being conflated with schooling at home?
How does loving somebody has absolutely any bearing to having qualifications as a solid instructor/teacher? I mean, you can literally ruin a person's life with terrible education, no matter how much you love him/her.
ElNono
04-30-2021, 01:27 AM
Hey ElNono
Why don't you address posts instead of trying to prevent other viewers from seeing them?
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487&page=215&p=10494101&viewfull=1#post10494101
You know the deal, stop posting, and I'll stop doing that. It's all in your hands, tbh
ElNono
04-30-2021, 03:12 AM
You're just making yourself look like a horse's a-s. This isn't going to stop me from posting. The viewers know how to do page searches on consecutive post numbers so they can get around your spam posts.
oh ok... clearly doesn't bother you at all, that's why you're following me around... lmao
RandomGuy
04-30-2021, 11:48 AM
And where are they going to pick up those actual critical thinking skills? In public schools, from public school teachers? - lol. Talk about the first source of political indoctrination - public schools and now they're gonna get them at 3-4 years old.
It doesn't take degrees, training or loads of money to educate kids. It's the basics - 3 Rs (and lots of reading) - and less of that indoctrination, xxxxxxxxx history month, incessant testing and lining up. Give them a strong foundation in math and reading - even writing can wait - if exposed to a lot of read-alouds and reading material (history, science, good children's literature).
As I said before. Being exposed to ideas that differ from parents is the first step in unwinding homeschooler's indoctrination.
So many people that go that route do so because they want brainwashed kids. I will stand by that.
Do you understand what the Dunning Kruger effect is?
leemajors
04-30-2021, 12:51 PM
Good stuff. Parents can really use this.
It's rare to find a situation where both parents do not have to work, and it is a fantastic idea. Daycare is expensive af.
Chucho
04-30-2021, 01:47 PM
It's rare to find a situation where both parents do not have to work, and it is a fantastic idea. Daycare is expensive af.
Oh yeah. It's like half a month's rent for most fams and that's just 1 kid.
spurraider21
04-30-2021, 02:03 PM
Oh yeah. It's like half a month's rent for most fams and that's just 1 kid.
i already know its gonna cost me an arm and a leg. i work from home but that doesnt mean i can chase around a kid throughout the day. and since we've moved cross country, its not like i can have grandparents taking shifts either.
Chucho
04-30-2021, 02:07 PM
i already know its gonna cost me an arm and a leg. i work from home but that doesnt mean i can chase around a kid throughout the day. and since we've moved cross country, its not like i can have grandparents taking shifts either.
Yeah, same here. Been working from home for the last 3 years. It's definitely not like having a 10 year old that will go hang out in their room and be relatively quiet compared to an infant/toddler/small kid.
Oh yeah. It's like half a month's rent for most fams and that's just 1 kid.
And this is exactly what my calculation was when I had 3 kids. If one costs so much, daycare for 3 would be not worth it (me working) - not to mention just looking into what goes on in some of these places. We could never consider private school for 3. So I homeschooled. I'm not saying it's for everyone or many people - it's a lifestyle decision. And somehow, we managed to make it work. I found other ways to supplement our income and with the internet, remote working, technology these days - there is a myriad of options to make more income. We do not have to be pigeon-holed into thinking that things have to be a certain way.
You made your decision when you chose to live in this country. You live in this society and it has rules, including paying your taxes. If it sucks so bad to live here with those rules, then move somewhere else. And if you don't want to move, then deal with the rules.
I also happen not to be an extremely greedy person that's consistently thinking about only myself and my pocket. I do think government provides certain services that are absolutely required, like Medicaid, and wish they would expand more in the healthcare area, even though I probably wouldn't qualify for those benefits. Everything isn't about me and my money. There's people really struggling out there, and despite donations, etc, it's just not enough.
And there's other areas I don't like how government runs things, and if there's anything I can do to change that, I try to do it. In general, I find that I have no control, so I don't see the need to consistently have to whine about things I don't control.
You might not like my ideas or opinions but at least, some random poster might think hey, this might affect me if my wife's and my parent die in the same year or they have a house and 401k they want to go to their child - maybe I should sell that house, take the exemptions and get to leave what I made to my child instead of half of it going to the government.
Seems to me that one big difference between you and me is you trust government to "do good" with our taxes - I DON'T. I want to keep as much of it as possible so I (not the government) get to make the decision about how it's spent - including having the ability to help others. I don't want that decision/options taken from me because the government has taken so much of my money.
ElNono
05-01-2021, 04:16 AM
You might not like my ideas or opinions but at least, some random poster might think hey, this might affect me if my wife's and my parent die in the same year or they have a house and 401k they want to go to their child - maybe I should sell that house, take the exemptions and get to leave what I made to my child instead of half of it going to the government.
Seems to me that one big difference between you and me is you trust government to "do good" with our taxes - I DON'T. I want to keep as much of it as possible so I (not the government) get to make the decision about how it's spent - including having the ability to help others. I don't want that decision/options taken from me because the government has taken so much of my money.
No it isn't your money. X% of your income and expenses goes to the government in the form of taxes. You know your obligation up front, and it's part of the rules of living in this society. If you don't pay, you're gonna get in deep ship, including potentially jail. Sometimes those taxes go up, sometimes they go down.
How you or I feel about whether the government "does good" or not with that money, is completely immaterial to this point. The most you can do is go cast a vote when the time is right and hope for the best. Then government is going to do or spend in whatever they want.
You don't have control over it and you never had, that's all in your head. The whining is just that, whining. If you don't like how a particular government spends what it collect from taxes, the only exit is literally divorce that government and go live under some other government with their rules (and taxes). Be it another state, another country, etc.
As far as how the government uses that money, I do have different opinions on specific areas. I listed some in my previous post. Other than general commentary and exchange of ideas or opinions, it's really largely academic.
You made your decision when you chose to live in this country. You live in this society and it has rules, including paying your taxes. If it sucks so bad to live here with those rules, then move somewhere else. And if you don't want to move, then deal with the rules.
I also happen not to be an extremely greedy person that's consistently thinking about only myself and my pocket. I do think government provides certain services that are absolutely required, like Medicaid, and wish they would expand more in the healthcare area, even though I probably wouldn't qualify for those benefits. Everything isn't about me and my money. There's people really struggling out there, and despite donations, etc, it's just not enough.
And there's other areas I don't like how government runs things, and if there's anything I can do to change that, I try to do it. In general, I find that I have no control, so I don't see the need to consistently have to whine about things I don't control.
You can be sure that I will be dealing with the rules (if this passes). I will be selling my home, taking the exemptions, moving to the other house and establishing residence (repeat and rinse) and I'll be giving the proceeds (subject to yearly limit) to the kids while I'm alive to avoid giving half of it to the government. And if I, with my feeble mind, can avoid these taxes, you can be sure that the rich (or anyone who earns a million dollars in a year) has tax lawyers and accountants who can do it (better) too - see what keeping more of your money can do - buy info/services. It's the poor or middle class who aren't aware of it, who'll get hit - so please see this a public service to those who it might affect.
You must have missed ALL those posts on education, politics, tennis, health/medicine, books, basketball, royal family, raising kids, etc. - although I have spared you all one big one - religion.
And keep on with that attitude that government will "do good" with our taxes and you have no control. And I'll keep whining.
BTW, those who were skeptical a year ago about my post on FAS and SPXL when they were in the teens, they closed at 108 and 98 respectively. I sold on the way up and didn't wait the year for long term gains (pay 0, 15 or 20% taxes depending on tax bracket instead of ordinary income rates) - but that's just my philosophy and me not being greedy - lol. Yes, I know, triple-leveraged :-( but relatively safe content (financial and S&P 500 indices). My new darling is TQQQ (Nasdaq-100) - it's way too high to buy now but it did have it's bounces into the 80s and even 70s. And, as always, this is NOT investment advice.
No it isn't your money. X% of your income and expenses goes to the government in the form of taxes. You know your obligation up front, and it's part of the rules of living in this society. If you don't pay, you're gonna get in deep ship, including potentially jail. Sometimes those taxes go up, sometimes they go down.
How you or I feel about whether the government "does good" or not with that money, is completely immaterial to this point. The most you can do is go cast a vote when the time is right and hope for the best. Then government is going to do or spend in whatever they want.
You don't have control over it and you never had, that's all in your head. The whining is just that, whining. If you don't like how a particular government spends what it collect from taxes, the only exit is literally divorce that government and go live under some other government with their rules (and taxes). Be it another state, another country, etc.
As far as how the government uses that money, I do have different opinions on specific areas. I listed some in my previous post. Other than general commentary and exchange of ideas or opinions, it's really largely academic.
It isn't MY money? My husband and I didn't already earn it and could put it under a mattress instead of risking it on rental property/stock market? For your information, I pay every single penny that the government is entitled to by law. I do not cheat on my taxes, but if I can LEGALLY avoid paying them, then I would be stupid to pass on that.
Some of you think that this free pk sounds all fine and wonderful until how we pay for it affects you. I'm just telling you that it's unlikely that the rich will be paying - it's those unaware/unable to use the exemptions/yearly limits/long-term instead of short.
baseline bum
05-01-2021, 07:10 AM
It isn't MY money? My husband and I didn't already earn it and could put it under a mattress instead of risking it on rental property/stock market? For your information, I pay every single penny that the government is entitled to by law. I do not cheat on my taxes, but if I can LEGALLY avoid paying them, then I would be stupid to pass on that.
Some of you think that this free pk sounds all fine and wonderful until how we pay for it affects you. I'm just telling you that it's unlikely that the rich will be paying - it's those unaware/unable to use the exemptions/yearly limits/long-term instead of short.
You didn't give a shit about how to pay for Trump's $2.3 trillion hole in the deficit he blew in his tax bill so you can fuck off now with your all of a sudden caring about deficits and how to pay for shit, Wild Cobra.
ElNono
05-01-2021, 03:22 PM
You can be sure that I will be dealing with the rules (if this passes). I will be selling my home, taking the exemptions, moving to the other house and establishing residence (repeat and rinse) and I'll be giving the proceeds (subject to yearly limit) to the kids while I'm alive to avoid giving half of it to the government. And if I, with my feeble mind, can avoid these taxes, you can be sure that the rich (or anyone who earns a million dollars in a year) has tax lawyers and accountants who can do it (better) too - see what keeping more of your money can do - buy info/services. It's the poor or middle class who aren't aware of it, who'll get hit - so please see this a public service to those who it might affect.
You must have missed ALL those posts on education, politics, tennis, health/medicine, books, basketball, royal family, raising kids, etc. - although I have spared you all one big one - religion.
And keep on with that attitude that government will "do good" with our taxes and you have no control. And I'll keep whining.
BTW, those who were skeptical a year ago about my post on FAS and SPXL when they were in the teens, they closed at 108 and 98 respectively. I sold on the way up and didn't wait the year for long term gains (pay 0, 15 or 20% taxes depending on tax bracket instead of ordinary income rates) - but that's just my philosophy and me not being greedy - lol. Yes, I know, triple-leveraged :-( but relatively safe content (financial and S&P 500 indices). My new darling is TQQQ (Nasdaq-100) - it's way too high to buy now but it did have it's bounces into the 80s and even 70s. And, as always, this is NOT investment advice.
Per par, another post that reads me, me, me, me, what do I get, what did I do, why do I have to pay, etc. Full on self-centered boomer shit, which is largely where the whining comes from.
You know we live in a society where not everybody married well like you, right? Have you tried to stop looking at your belly button for a minute and taken a look around? There's people struggling out there, costs of healthcare far outpace inflation and average salary.
We've been trying to tackle that via the private sector for decades, and it's been an utter failure. Now, I have no expectations the government will do the right thing here, like price controls, etc what the rest of the world does. Things like Obamacare didn't address the problem at all. So I don't always think the government does good, but this is undeniably an area where the government, and only the government, can really make substantial changes, and while we do nothing, the people that are hurt the most are indeed the downtrodden.
I mean, I didn't even get a stimulus check. I'm as far away from being in a bad situation as you can possibly imagine, and I'll probably be hit squarely with any tax increases targeting the upper brackets. I worked hard to be where I am, and the glass is definitely half full for me, especially when I look at the field. I'm gonna get taxed more because I'm successful? sure. Should I prefer to be poorer so I don't pay as many taxes? hell no, that's ridiculous.
It isn't MY money? My husband and I didn't already earn it and could put it under a mattress instead of risking it on rental property/stock market? For your information, I pay every single penny that the government is entitled to by law. I do not cheat on my taxes, but if I can LEGALLY avoid paying them, then I would be stupid to pass on that.
Some of you think that this free pk sounds all fine and wonderful until how we pay for it affects you. I'm just telling you that it's unlikely that the rich will be paying - it's those unaware/unable to use the exemptions/yearly limits/long-term instead of short.
If you pay every single penny and don't cheat on your taxes, then that money isn't yours, period. There's a certain amount of money you have to turn in at the end of the tax year, and a certain amount of money you pay when you purchase almost everything and the government won't argue with you whose money it is, will they? They'll take it whether you want to hand it out or not. You never had control over that, the woe is me whining is just that.
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