Oklahoma governor signs 3 anti-abortion bills into law

[ducks]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/oklahoma-governor-signs-3-anti-190413977.html

[Spurtacular]

God's Country.

[pgardn]

God's Country.

fkn hypocrite...

Oklahoma will resume executions by early-to-mid 2021 at the earliest, Hunter told committee members. The state is currently fighting a lawsuit in federal court, brought on by attorneys of death row inmates

[Spurtacular]

fkn hypocrite...

Oklahoma will resume executions by early-to-mid 2021 at the earliest, Hunter told committee members. The state is currently fighting a lawsuit in federal court, brought on by attorneys of death row inmates

You're manstrating.

[pgardn]

You're manstrating.

why do you post about God's work ya fkn hypocrite?
You pretend to know what God wants concerning a HUMAN LIFE.
fckstick...

[Spurtacular]

why do you post about God's work ya fkn hypocrite?
You pretend to know what God wants concerning a HUMAN LIFE.
fckstick...

You're bleeding. Go take care of yourself.

[pgardn]

You're bleeding. Go take care of yourself.

And your rules are absolutely useless.
You apply them randomly.
Does your God do this?

This is what you do when you cage yourself through dumb ass statements. Bleed...

[Spurtacular]

And Idaho. Blue anons getting their shit kicked in.

Idaho governor signs bill banning abortions after fetal heartbeat detected (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/idaho-governor-signs-bill-banning-abortions-after-fetal-heartbeat-detected/ar-BB1g747b?ocid=msedgdhp)

[ElNono]

As long as Roe vs Wade is still the law of the land, it's merely a distraction to give bible thumpers a hard on.

Fortunately the US Constitution guarantees the separation of church and state, tbh...

And if this court thinks otherwise, might be time to pack the court, problem solved :tu

[pgardn]

And Idaho. Blue anons getting their shit kicked in.

Idaho governor signs bill banning abortions after fetal heartbeat detected (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/idaho-governor-signs-bill-banning-abortions-after-fetal-heartbeat-detected/ar-BB1g747b?ocid=msedgdhp)

Still have the death penalty since 1973 ruling.
Give your rules on human life.

Hypocrite....

[ElNono]

Still have the death penalty since 1973 ruling.
Give your rules on human life.

Hypocrite....

god is also a revengeful asshole...

[Spurtacular]

Still have the death penalty since 1973 ruling.
Give your rules on human life.

Hypocrite....

You still trying to equate the death penalty and abortion?

You're too stupid to realize that by your logic that would make you a hypocrite too.

Fucking moron.

[Spurtacular]

As long as Roe vs Wade is still the law of the land, it's merely a distraction to give bible thumpers a hard on.

Fortunately the US Constitution guarantees the separation of church and state, tbh...

And if this court thinks otherwise, might be time to pack the court, problem solved :tu

Based on nothing in the Constitution, tbh.

[ElNono]

Based on nothing in the Constitution, tbh.

Wrong.

In January 1973, the Supreme Court issued a 7–2 decision ruling that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides a "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion. But it also ruled that this right is not absolute, and must be balanced against the government's interests in protecting women's health and protecting prenatal life.

[pgardn]

You still trying to equate the death penalty and abortion?

You're too stupid to realize that by your logic that would make you a hypocrite too.

Fucking moron.

Both human lives or not?

Answer, moron.

[pgardn]

Wrong.

In January 1973, the Supreme Court issued a 7–2 decision ruling that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides a "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion. But it also ruled that this right is not absolute, and must be balanced against the government's interests in protecting women's health and protecting prenatal life.

How many times does his face get kicked in.
Actually its good reading for people with a functional brain to see the subhuman brain.

[ElNono]

How many times does his face get kicked in.
Actually its good reading for people with a functional brain to see the subhuman brain.

If the argument is that the SCOTUS erred at that time, it's difficult to understand why it took so long to reverse it considering it has been challenged in almost every single administration.

Plus, Congress could've made a law in the past 45 years defining what's legal or isn't about abortion, so being mad at the SCOTUS is at the very least misguided.

[pgardn]

If the argument is that the SCOTUS erred at that time, it's difficult to understand why it took so long to reverse it considering it has been challenged in almost every single administration.

Plus, Congress could've made a law in the past 45 years defining what's legal or isn't about abortion, so being mad at the SCOTUS is at the very least misguided.

Derp aint contemplating this.
So its a good post either way.

Honestly the rules concerning a human life when people are making rules, as they must, and we have not even a good definition of life is amazing to me. This is why law, that we must have in a society, seems so awkward in terms of science.
Which people are clearly using, heartbeat, fetal stages, on and on...

I have this discussion with my father and sometimes I just dont have faith in our consistency. And when I dont, it seems so useless. Because if it does not have consistency, then it starts bordering on hypocrisy.
"Oh its a life because, but you forfeited your life as a human because..."

[Spurtacular]

Both human lives or not?

Answer, moron.

Of course they're both human lives you fucking moron.

[pgardn]

Of course they're both human lives you fucking moron.

So where are the protests about the death penalty from your tiny brain?
The DEATH penalty makes it God's country you fckn ass wipe?

[pgardn]

So where are the protests about the death penalty from your tiny brain?
The DEATH penalty makes it God's country you fckn ass wipe?

Oh no.
A stunning moment for derp.
He thought I was talking about mother and child.
Now he is going to have to explain another human life he did not take into account...

God derp, you are so ruthless in your stupidity.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Oklahoma ... Idaho .. yep people clamoring to get into those oases (no offense timvp and Kori Ellis)

[ElNono]

Oh no.
A stunning moment for derp.
He thought I was talking about mother and child.
Now he is going to have to explain another human life he did not take into account...

God derp, you are so ruthless in your stupidity.

Ultimately, this is just another abject failure of religion, tbh... god can't speak for himself, so we get a plethora of charlatans with the whole "what would god do" stupidity, basically making shit up as they go. Some of them getting very rich off the gullible as well.

tbh, I can't hate the players, gotta hate the game...

[pgardn]

Ultimately, this is just another abject failure of religion, tbh... god can't speak for himself, so we get a plethora of charlatans with the whole "what would god do" stupidity, basically making shit up as they go. Some of them getting very rich off the gullible as well.

tbh, I can't hate the players, gotta hate the game...

I understand completely.
But there are players who do see the inconsistency.
There are all types of theologians who point this out. Some are "believers" whatever that ultimately is, and some are into comparing and contrasting this need for human beings to present higher powers in so many varying forms.

And in so many religions god did speak for "himself" through humans, and its up to our fancies to interpret this. Derp does this on such a thin level... I dont even get why some people take this on without feeling some sort of guilt.

[ElNono]

I understand completely.
But there are players who do see the inconsistency.
There are all types of theologians who point this out. Some are "believers" what ever that ultimately is, and some are into compare and contrasting this need for human beings to present higher powers in so many varying forms.

I have no problem with people believing in whatever they want to believe. But this topic (abortion) drops right into the 'forcing your religion by taking away somebody else's right' territory.

I mean, derp certainly confirmed what this is about for him, and I'm glad he's honest about that. Not everyone is.

[Winehole23]

the frankly paternalistic war against bodily autonomy for women in medical decisions continues apace.

equality for women is threatened in beaucoup GOP states.

https://cnsmaryland.org/2021/04/21/anti-abortion-bills-on-the-rise-among-state-legislatures/

[Spurtacular]

So where are the protests about the death penalty from your tiny brain?
The DEATH penalty makes it God's country you fckn ass wipe?

Aside from the potential for fallibility, what's wrong with the death penalty?

[Spurtacular]

I have no problem with people believing in whatever they want to believe. But this topic (abortion) drops right into the 'forcing your religion by taking away somebody else's right' territory.

I mean, derp certainly confirmed what this is about for him, and I'm glad he's honest about that. Not everyone is.

:lol The "right" to kill. :lolK

[pgardn]

I have no problem with people believing in whatever they want to believe. But this topic (abortion) drops right into the 'forcing your religion by taking away somebody else's right' territory.

I mean, derp certainly confirmed what this is about for him, and I'm glad he's honest about that. Not everyone is.

Yes the innocent "baby".
But then once you are _____ old we can kill you because you are no longer a human life. Or you forfeit your human life. That is so audaciously hypocritical... its worse that he is honest. And he is not honest, he just flat out does not see it. I dont give points for blind contradiction.

[pgardn]

Aside from the potential for fallibility, what's wrong with the death penalty?

The same thing that you think is wrong with abortion you stupid piece of shit.
No fallibility needed dumb fck.

[Spurtacular]

The same thing that you think is wrong with abortion you stupid piece of shit.

Use your words, Cuck Garden.

What's wrong with the death penalty?

[pgardn]

Use your words, Cuck Garden.

What's wrong with the death penalty?

Whats wrong with abortion, just say it.
And then you will get your answer dumb ass.

[ElNono]

Other than the whole hypocrisy of "life is precious" but not really if you're a sinner and the whole other hypocrisy of hiding behind religion but forgetting that jesus taught about compassion and forgiveness and enduring evil?

Outside of all that, nothing wrong with capital punishment.

[Spurtacular]

Whats wrong with abortion, just say it.
And then you will get your answer dumb ass.

You don't want to say. Your opinion must not be important.

[pgardn]

Other than the whole hypocrisy of "life is precious" but not really if you're a sinner and the whole other hypocrisy of hiding behind religion but forgetting that jesus taught about compassion and forgiveness and enduring evil?

Outside of all that, nothing wrong with capital punishment.

so go ahead derp, NoNo spelled it out for you.
And throw in Original Sin for the fetus.
Your thoughts?

[Spurtacular]

Other than the whole hypocrisy of "life is precious" but not really if you're a sinner and the whole other hypocrisy of hiding behind religion but forgetting that jesus taught about compassion and forgiveness and enduring evil?

Outside of all that, nothing wrong with capital punishment.

This is clearly a standard buzzword at this point.

[Spurtacular]

Other than the whole hypocrisy of "life is precious" but not really if you're a sinner and the whole other hypocrisy of hiding behind religion but forgetting that jesus taught about compassion and forgiveness and enduring evil?

Outside of all that, nothing wrong with capital punishment.

Well, you don't believe in either; so, you must be for capital punishment. :tu

[pgardn]

This is clearly a standard buzzword at this point.

It is a word that stabs you directly in your brain. Its perfect.
You call it a buzzword because you are a hypocrite.

[Spurtacular]

It is a word that stabs you directly in your brain. Its perfect.
You call it a buzzword because you are a hypocrite.

It's never hurt me at all. It's a barely specious argument that blue anons have been taught to rely upon.

[pgardn]

It's never hurt me at all. It's a barely specious argument that blue anons have been taught to rely upon.

You dont believe a human life is precious.
Thats all I can gather from your inability to explain yourself.

blue anon... "oh, a buzzword..."
You are a total mess.

[ElNono]

This is clearly a standard buzzword at this point.

So you got nothing, ok

[Spurtacular]

You dont believe a human life is precious.
Thats all I can gather from your inability to explain yourself.

blue anon... "oh, a buzzword..."
You are a total mess.

Because I want to dipose the world of murderers? :lolK

[Spurtacular]

So you got nothing, ok

Not at all; I said you clearly believe in capital punishment based on what you put forth.
No need to argue about it.
For what it's worth, I'm open to the idea of not having it based on humanitarian grounds.
But this BS about mixing it up with abortion doesn't move the needle. It's desperate.

[pgardn]

Because I want to dipose the world of murderers? :lolK

So a murderer is NOT a human life?

[ElNono]

so go ahead derp, NoNo spelled it out for you.
And throw in Original Sin for the fetus.
Your thoughts?

This brings out another issue with religion. Because it's the creation of humans, and spread and interpreted by humans, it really is and means anything you want it to be or mean.

And thus you have this problem where the same people that used to burn 'witches' at the stake are the same people talking about the sanctity of life.

It can always be argued that people were wrong then, and know better now, but can you make that claim? It wasn't god that illuminated people into realizing that what they were doing was wrong.

It was education, science, societal evolution, etc, which apparently still need to take a back seat to the transparent dummy in the sky.

[Spurtacular]

So a murderer is NOT a human life?

By order of the state a person forfeits his life upon taking the life of someone else.

It's always been this way in our nation's history. George Washington put traitors to death.

He didn't cry about how these kinds of cowards should live.

[ElNono]

Also, dovetailing onto fallibility, something derp brought up, that's not minor. It's pretty huge. Especially when there's really no reason why you couldn't keep these people locked up for life (other than the administrative cost).

Overall, it's less of an issue now, because we're not burning up heretics and witches, but on the other hand, we keep developing science like DNA tests, which have gotten quite a few wrongly imprisoned people (some on deathrow) free.

[pgardn]

By order of the state a person forfeits his life upon taking the life of someone else.

It's always been this way in our nation's history. George Washington put traitors to death.

He didn't cry about how these kinds of cowards should live.

So any man who kills in battle is no longer considered a human life?

[ElNono]

By order of the state a person forfeits his life upon taking the life of someone else.

Where's that in the US Constitution?

[ElNono]

Also, how you reconcile that with your religious teachings? (this is a trick question)

[pgardn]

Honest to God derp is such a dumbass.
He cant face his own hypocrisy.
Derp should be put to death for cowardice. Cowards cannot be called a human life.

[pgardn]

Also, dovetailing onto fallibility, something derp brought up, that's not minor. It's pretty huge. Especially when there's really no reason why you couldn't keep these people locked up for life (other than the administrative cost).

Overall, it's less of an issue now, because we're not burning up heretics and witches, but on the other hand, we keep developing science like DNA tests, which have gotten quite a few wrongly imprisoned people (some on deathrow) free.

ElNN

You are giving him way too much credit.
He has not proceeded past the very basic definition of a human life.

[pgardn]

The mention of George Washington?

Oh yeah, this should definitely sway our definition of a human life.

wtf... This derp is pure molded thought. Its just minimal and reeks.

[Spurtacular]

The mention of George Washington?

Oh yeah, this should definitely sway our definition of a human life.

wtf... This derp is pure molded thought. Its just minimal and reeks.

Coherence will never be your friend. What's wrong with George Washington?

[Spurtacular]

Honest to God derp is such a dumbass.
He cant face his own hypocrisy.
Derp should be put to death for cowardice. Cowards cannot be called a human life.

You literally just made my case for the death penalty, you fucking moron.

Way to checkmate yourself. :lol :lmao :rollin

[pgardn]

You literally just made my case for the death penalty, you fucking moron.

Way to checkmate yourself. :lol :lmao :rollin

Okay.
So cowards like derp, even if they don’t kill are not human life’s. Anyone who kills is no longer a human life. The people who carry out the executions derp demands for cowards, soldiers and murderers are no longer human lives as they have killed. So now they must be killed (by who derp, the executioners automatically are not human lives once their duty is done).

Keep going derp, beautiful stuff potato head.

[pgardn]

I need to keep feeding the 6x ST MVP

A naked display of stupidity is underway.

[pgardn]

Abandon ship derp?

Move to another thread.

[ElNono]

Not at all; I said you clearly believe in capital punishment based on what you put forth.
No need to argue about it.
For what it's worth, I'm open to the idea of not having it based on humanitarian grounds.
But this BS about mixing it up with abortion doesn't move the needle. It's desperate.

Missed this. I don't have to be for or against capital punishment, because I'm not the one preaching about the sanctity of life.

If you do, however, preach that, then certainly the disconnect is readily apparent. There's really no way to spin this, either life is precious or it isn't.

What's really left unsaid is that what we're really being offered here is that the preciousness of life is really balanced against some traditionalist moral code or values, that largely has nothing to do with religion either.

This has never really been about the sanctity of life or protecting the unborn or even religion, it's an excuse to impose a selective moral code, that's why it always has been on shaky grounds.

It's not surprising when a women decides to exercise her right to an abortion, plenty of these same people refer to her as a whore. What is that if not a direct moral condemnation?

[ElNono]

Hey ElNono

Why don't you address posts instead of trying to prevent other viewers from seeing them?
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487&page=215&p=10494101&viewfull=1#post10494101


You know the deal, stop posting, and I'll stop doing that. It's all in your hands, tbh

[Trill Clinton]

Why aren't these anti-abortion dweebs so passionate about babies and children killed or abused/neglected by their parents? It selfish to force these mothers and parents who are ill equipped to bring children in this world they have no emotional attachment to.

[spurraider21]

the inability to undo a mistake is a big one re: the death penalty

i also think its just devoid of any moral value. you dont get anything out of it. it doesnt undo the wrong done. its purely retribution, which i dont think has any moral value. valid intentions of criminal sentences are deterrence, safety of society from dangerous individuals, and where possible, reformation. i dont think there are any good indicators or statistical evidence that death penalty vs life provides any further deterrence

[ElNono]

the inability to undo a mistake is a big one re: the death penalty

i also think its just devoid of any moral value. you dont get anything out of it. it doesnt undo the wrong done. its purely retribution, which i dont think has any moral value. valid intentions of criminal sentences are deterrence, safety of society from dangerous individuals, and where possible, reformation. i dont think there are any good indicators or statistical evidence that death penalty vs life provides any further deterrence

It's the eye for an eye thing, which again, has really nothing to do with Christian values or anything like that, just a very primitive form of legalized revenge.

[Chucho]

fkn hypocrite...

Oklahoma will resume executions by early-to-mid 2021 at the earliest, Hunter told committee members. The state is currently fighting a lawsuit in federal court, brought on by attorneys of death row inmates

There's a difference. A massive difference.