All-Time Franchise Teams

[Robz4000]

With the HoF ceremony this weekend I was going through in my head which franchise has the best all-around team they could put together. Whether said team has players that only played for a season or two or players that spent their entire careers with a franchise, the only caveat is they're the player they were when they played for the team in question. For example, TMac technically played for the Spurs but he was washed up by that point. You can go with either the most talented players or players who you think would make the team best. Let's say roster size is set at 13, the amount that can actually dress.

Spurs:

SL:

-Tony Parker
-Danny Green
-Nephew
-Tim Duncan
-David Robinson

Bench:

-Manu Ginobili
-George Gervin
-LaMarcus Aldridge
-Boris Diaw
-Alvin Robinson
-Sean Elliot
-Dennis Rodman
-James Silas

HM: Bruce Bowen, Artis Gilmore

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

With the HoF ceremony this weekend I was going through in my head which franchise has the best all-around team they could put together. Whether said team has players that only played for a season or two or players that spent their entire careers with a franchise, the only caveat is they're the player they were when they played for the team in question. For example, TMac technically played for the Spurs but he was washed up by that point. You can go with either the most talented players or players who you think would make the team best. Let's say roster size is set at 13, the amount that can actually dress.

Spurs:

SL:

-Tony Parker
-Danny Green
-Nephew
-Tim Duncan
-David Robinson

Bench:

-Manu Ginobili
-George Gervin
-LaMarcus Aldridge
-Boris Diaw
-Alvin Robinson
-Sean Elliot
-Dennis Rodman
-James Silas

HM: Bruce Bowen, Artis Gilmore

gotta start ice, manu or sean. sorry verde

also fuck nephew. leave his ass home

[Robz4000]

gotta start ice, manu or sean. sorry verde

also fuck nephew. leave his ass home

Originally had Manu in the SL, but I felt LDN balanced it out better. Like I said, it's not just about talent, but building the best team.

Was also hard to include Nephew, but decided to anyway for competition's sake.

[GAustex]

Tony Parker
-Manu Ginobili
-George Gervin
-Tim Duncan
-David Robinson

Bench:

-Larry Kenon
-Johnny Moore
-Mike Mitchel
-Bruce Bowen
-Alvin Robinson
-Sean Elliot
-Artis Gilmore
-James Silas

Nah to #2 and LDN lol

[Robz4000]

I'll leave the Lakers, Mavs, Rockets, Suns, etc to our resident fans of those teams, so I'll try my hand at teams without representation here. First up, the T'Pups:

SL:

-Sam Cassel
-Pooh Richardson
-Jimmy Butler
-Kevin Garnett
-Karl-Anthony Towns

Bench:

-Kevin Love
-Al Jefferson
-Wally Szczerbiak
-Stephon Marbury
-Isaiah Rider
-Nikola Pekovic
-Ricky Rubio
-Latrell Sprewell

HM: Doug West, Troy Hudson

[lefty]

Lakers:

- Magic
- Michael cooper
- LeBron
- Gasol
- Shaq

Bench :
- Jerry West
- Byron Scott
- Elgin Baylor
- James Worthy
- Wilt
- Kream
- AD

Coach : Pat Riley

[lefty]

Knicks:

Patrick Ewing

[Mark Celibate]

Mavericks:

SL

- Jason Kidd
- Mark Aguirre
- Rolando Blackman
- Dirk
- Tyson Chandler

Bench:

- Nash
- Terry
- Michael Finley
- Jerry Stackhouse
- Derek Harper
- Josh Howard
- Roy Tarpley
- Sam Perkins

Tough team to put together tbh. Mavs are stacked with wing players but hard to fill out the Center and PF position outside of Dirk and Chandler. I put Tarpley there since he had a better peak over guys like Dampier and Donaldson who may have had better overall tenures in Dallas.

[Neo.]

Mavericks:

SL

- Jason Kidd
- Mark Aguirre
- Rolando Blackman
- Dirk
- Tyson Chandler

Bench:

- Nash
- Terry
- Michael Finley
- Jerry Stackhouse
- Derek Harper
- Josh Howard
- Roy Tarpley
- Sam Perkins

Tough team to put together tbh. Mavs are stacked with wing players but hard to fill out the Center and PF position outside of Dirk and Chandler. I put Tarpley there since he had a better peak over guys like Dampier and Donaldson who may have had better overall tenures in Dallas.

luka?

and I think marion over stack personally

[Mark Celibate]

luka?

and I think marion over stack personally

rofl forgot about Luka. That's a tough call then whether to bump Kidd or Nash off the team IMO. Luka is obviously the starting PG, but I think I'd rather have Nash off the bench than Kidd in order to get that instant offense. I could see Marion over Stackhouse for defensive purposes/smallball while Howard/Finley already provide the same value

[Neo.]

rofl forgot about Luka. That's a tough call then whether to bump Kidd or Nash off the team IMO. Luka is obviously the starting PG, but I think I'd rather have Nash off the bench than Kidd in order to get that instant offense. I could see Marion over Stackhouse for defensive purposes/smallball while Howard/Finley already provide the same value

nah roddy nashroseparker should be starting pg tbqh

[Kim Jong-il]

rofl forgot about Luka. That's a tough call then whether to bump Kidd or Nash off the team IMO. Luka is obviously the starting PG, but I think I'd rather have Nash off the bench than Kidd in order to get that instant offense. I could see Marion over Stackhouse for defensive purposes/smallball while Howard/Finley already provide the same value

Best all-time starting 5 is Nash/Luka/Aguirre/Dirk/Tyson i think.

Best starting 5 for today’s game would be Luka/Jet/Findog/Dirk/Tyson tbhfwiwimho. Surround Luka with shooters and a roll man.

[Dex]

Mavericks:

SL

- Jason Kidd
- Mark Aguirre
- Rolando Blackman
- Dirk
- Tyson Chandler

Bench:

- Nash
- Terry
- Michael Finley
- Jerry Stackhouse
- Derek Harper
- Josh Howard
- Roy Tarpley
- Sam Perkins

Tough team to put together tbh. Mavs are stacked with wing players but hard to fill out the Center and PF position outside of Dirk and Chandler. I put Tarpley there since he had a better peak over guys like Dampier and Donaldson who may have had better overall tenures in Dallas.

I'd go Nash over Kidd in the starting lineup, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

Los Angeles Lakers (George Mikan on Minnesota Timberwolves all-time team)

SL

PG: Gail Goodrich (A good shoot-first PG)
SG: Hot Rod Hundley
SF: Adrian Dantley (Lakers gave up on this perennial 30 pt per game scorer)
PF: Happy Hairston (Horace Grant of his time. Lakers don't set 32 straight win record without him)
C: Zelmo Beatty (Former ABA Playoff MVP who knows how to ring and compete with any center and agile to play in today's NBA)

Bench

- Cotton Nash
- Darral Imhoff
- Mel Counts (Moves into starting line-up if stretch 5 needed)
- Jeff Lamp (All-time end of the bench guy)
- Pat Riley (Player/Coach)
- Don Nelson (Important to keep the luck on your side)
- James Krebs
- Shaquille O'Neal (If refs are allowing him to lower the shoulder, he can come in and save any team; if not, the pure athlete Wilt Chamberlain may be the play)
- Earvin Johnson (For the after parties) or AC Green or Mark Madson if we're going the other way and want to be real clean and wholesome.
- Vlade Divac
- Sasha Vujacic (Need a pure three shooter. Might have to cut a good chemistry guy like Krebs to make numbers)
- Pau Gasol (If another player allowed in the wings. Is a poor man's Vlade; but he led the Lakers to two rings still)
- Jerry West (Might bring him in if forced to play by today's NBA rules and more outside shooting needed)
- Lou Alcindor (May be willing to take on this specialist)

[Mark Celibate]

I'd go Nash over Kidd in the starting lineup, tbh.

Problem is that Nash would just get abused completely on defense by whoever he was guarding. Off the bench makes a little more sense considering he wouldn't go up against as many elite guards tbh

[Texas_Ranger]

Kidd over Nash and its not even close. Nash is one of the worst defensders in NBA history.

[DMC]

I'd take prime Diaw over many on the list.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/1d7snmR/e7e73fda436d393f60e98a6e3b5448c5.jpg

[i'm_still_beta]

Celtics

SL:
Bob Cousy
John Havlichek
Larry Bird
Kevin Mchale
Bill Russell

Bench:
Rajon Rondo
Marcus Smart
Ray Allen
Paul Pierce
Reggie Lewis
Kevin Garnett
Dave Cowens

Reserve:
Dennis Johnson
Bill Sherman
Bill Walton

Head Coach: Red Auerbach
Assistans: Doc Rivers, KC Jones, Tom Heinsohn, Tom Thibodeau, Brad Stevens

[GAustex]

Celtics

SL:
Bob Cousy
John Havlichek
Larry Bird
Kevin Mchale
Bill Russell

Bench:
Rajon Rondo
Marcus Smart
Ray Allen
Paul Pierce
Reggie Lewis
Kevin Garnett
Dave Cowens

Reserve:
Dennis Johnson
Bill Sherman
Bill Walton

Head Coach: Red Auerbach
Assistans: Doc Rivers, KC Jones, Tom Heinsohn, Tom Thibodeau
Tiny archibald
Jo Jo White rpleaces rondo and smart

[DMC]

Celtics

SL:
Bob Cousy
John Havlichek
Larry Bird
Kevin Mchale
Bill Russell

Bench:
Rajon Rondo
Marcus Smart
Ray Allen
Paul Pierce
Reggie Lewis
Kevin Garnett
Dave Cowens

Reserve:
Dennis Johnson
Bill Sherman
Bill Walton

Head Coach: Red Auerbach
Assistans: Doc Rivers, KC Jones, Tom Heinsohn, Tom Thibodeau, Brad Stevens

:lol Today's Celtics destroy that starting 5.

[i'm_still_beta]

:lol Today's Celtics destroy that starting 5.
:lol

Cousy with 25 points and 15 assists in today's nba. And Nash-like efficiency :lol

[DMC]

:lol

Cousy with 25 points and 15 assists in today's nba. And Nash-like efficiency :lol

As soon as he looked down to see the ball while dribbling with one hand up the court someone would strip him and dunk at the opposite end.

[Robz4000]

Celtics

SL:
Bob Cousy
John Havlichek
Larry Bird
Kevin Mchale
Bill Russell

Bench:
Rajon Rondo
Marcus Smart
Ray Allen
Paul Pierce
Reggie Lewis
Kevin Garnett
Dave Cowens

Reserve:
Dennis Johnson
Bill Sherman
Bill Walton

Head Coach: Red Auerbach
Assistans: Doc Rivers, KC Jones, Tom Heinsohn, Tom Thibodeau, Brad Stevens

Wouldn't add Tatum?

[lefty]

:lol Today's Celtics destroy that starting 5.

well duh

[Spurtacular]

Tiny archibald
Jo Jo White rpleaces rondo and smart

I would prefer a Jo Jo White, Sam Jones, or Danny Ainge over Marcus Smart.
But I'd keep Rajon Rondo over Tiny Archibald. You don't want an over dribbler / shoot-first PG with all those weapons.

[Spurtacular]

:lol Today's Celtics destroy that starting 5.

:lol No.

[lefty]

I would prefer a Jo Jo White, Sam Jones or Danny Ainge over Marcus Smart.

:lol

[Spurtacular]

:lol

You've went overboard with your fanatical belief in today's players being so much better than those of yesteryear.

Three HOF'ers >>> Career 37.6 FG Shooter

Actually, Ainge ain't in BB HOF (Should be; but he is in Oregon Sports HOF).

[DMC]

:lol No.

Seriously? Havlicek and Cousy? :lol

Bird sure... maybe Russell in his prime.

These guys are compared to their own peers, in their own eras. No way in hell those guys have anywhere near the skill and handles required to compete against players and schemes today. Most of them would foul out against James Harden right away.

Cousy

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DevotedRaggedEstuarinecrocodile-size_restricted.gif

Havlicek

https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-31-2015/RaJqT5.gif

[DMC]

They have to face stuff like this

https://wp.usatodaysports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2015/06/giphy-1.gif

https://i.gifer.com/7edr.gif

https://i.gifer.com/GOBw.gif

:lol no

[Spurtacular]

Seriously? Havlicek and Cousy? :lol

Bird sure... maybe Russell in his prime.

These guys are compared to their own peers, in their own eras. No way in hell those guys have anywhere near the skill and handles required to compete against players and schemes today. Most of them would foul out against James Harden right away.

Cousy

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DevotedRaggedEstuarinecrocodile-size_restricted.gif

Havlicek

https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-31-2015/RaJqT5.gif


I can see people thinking those guys wouldn't measure up.
It's hard to determine because the ball from the 60's is vastly inferior to later NBA balls.
It's probably where the term "the rock" comes from.

[Spurtacular]

They have to face stuff like this

https://wp.usatodaysports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2015/06/giphy-1.gif

https://i.gifer.com/7edr.gif

https://i.gifer.com/GOBw.gif

:lol no

Defense is about positioning. You're putting too much stock in fancy dribbling and soaring dunks, tbh.

[DMC]

Defense is about positioning. You're putting too much stock in fancy dribbling and soaring dunks, tbh.

Just look at that traffic cone defense in the black and white video with Havlicek :lol

[DMC]

Could you imagine the feast Kawhi would have guarding Cousy? :lol

[GAustex]

Cousey is a stretch
Havlicek would be effective
JoJo White is way better than Smart or Rondo as is Tiny Archibald

[lefty]

Could you imagine the feast Kawhi would have guarding Cousy? :lol

nah bro, Cousy would drop 60 pts on Kawhi

Cuz tough real men herp derp ! Fuck logic!

[lefty]

Cousey is a stretch
Havlicek would be effective
JoJo White is way better than Smart or Rondo as is Tiny Archibald

:lmao

[Spurtacular]

Just look at that traffic cone defense in the black and white video with Havlicek :lol

Most dribbling now would've been a violation back in the day.

Cousy was clearly an elite PG back in his day. It wouldn't suprise me if all external factors being equal he had more agility and speed than a Nash.

Hondo is an all-time scorer even now without the benefits that today's players enjoy.

[DMC]

Most dribbling now would've been a violation back in the day.

Cousy was clearly an elite PG back in his day. It wouldn't suprise me if all external factors being equal he had more agility and speed than a Nash.

Hondo is an all-time scorer even now without the benefits that today's players enjoy.

Well sure, in the very beginning James Naismith was the GOAT but if you're building an all time team you have to consider where the bar is now.

[Spurtacular]

Well sure, in the very beginning James Naismith was the GOAT but if you're building an all time team you have to consider where the bar is now.

Namath played with a bulkier ball and did not have the benefit of all the advancements in sports either (gear, nutrition, field, medical, fitness, etc.).
Just look at football equipment in 90s vs today even.

But Namath was never a great in the first place. He just won a Super Bowl and was a cult of personality from there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qb4m0PDQU8

[lefty]

Most dribbling now would've been a violation back in the day.

Cousy was clearly an elite PG back in his day. It wouldn't suprise me if all external factors being equal he had more agility and speed than a Nash.

Hondo is an all-time scorer even now without the benefits that today's players enjoy.

Just because they dribbled like math teachers whose bowels were about to explode doesn’t mean they would have been good today

[lebomb]

Spurs:

Timmy
D Rob
Gervin
The Claw
Tony Parker

Manu as my 6th

[DMC]

Namath played with a bulkier ball and did not have the benefit of all the advancements in sports either (gear, nutrition, field, medical, fitness, etc.).
Just look at football equipment in 90s vs today even.

But Namath was never a great in the first place. He just won a Super Bowl and was a cult of personality from there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qb4m0PDQU8

Naismith, not Namath. Naismith invented basketball.

[Spurtacular]

Naismith, not Namath. Naismith invented basketball.

I didn't figure you were going with a guy who was never a pro player.

[Neo.]

Namath played with a bulkier ball and did not have the benefit of all the advancements in sports either (gear, nutrition, field, medical, fitness, etc.).
Just look at football equipment in 90s vs today even.

But Namath was never a great in the first place. He just won a Super Bowl and was a cult of personality from there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qb4m0PDQU8


Naismith, not Namath. Naismith invented basketball.


I didn't figure you were going with a guy who was never a pro player.

:lmao derp derpin

[DMC]

I didn't figure you were going with a guy who was never a pro player.

I'm saying before anyone else touched a ball, James Naismith was the best to ever play. So if we want to keep going back in time to reduce the field to only white men who dribble with one hand and look at the ball while doing so, we can do that but the all time team won't have anything to do with fielding the best possible team of the group of past/present players. As we move forward, we might not like the new stars but the odds are they will be more skilled than their predecessors.

[Neo.]

I'm saying before anyone else touched a ball, James Naismith was the best to ever play. So if we want to keep going back in time to reduce the field to only white men who dribble with one hand and look at the ball while doing so, we can do that but the all time team won't have anything to do with fielding the best possible team of the group of past/present players. As we move forward, we might not like the new stars but the odds are they will be more skilled than their predecessors.

tbh youre expecting too much if you think derp will be able to comprehend this

[Spurtacular]

I'm saying before anyone else touched a ball, James Naismith was the best to ever play. So if we want to keep going back in time to reduce the field to only white men who dribble with one hand and look at the ball while doing so, we can do that but the all time team won't have anything to do with fielding the best possible team of the group of past/present players. As we move forward, we might not like the new stars but the odds are they will be more skilled than their predecessors.

That's absurdum reductio, tbh.

I'm okay with the premise that players are more athletic today than in the past.
But if we're going to compare, we should consider where a particular athlete would be whether put into the future or back into the past.
The given player should be a recipient of said advantages or disadvantages.
A Bob Cousy could've very well did all the funky dribbling in our time.
It's silly to think there isn't going to be a level of adaptation.

[DMC]

That's absurdum reductio, tbh.

I'm okay with the premise that players are more athletic today than in the past.
But if we're going to compare, we should consider where a particular athlete would be whether put into the future or back into the past.
The given player should be a recipient of said advantages or disadvantages.
A Bob Cousy could've very well did all the funky dribbling in our time.
It's silly to think there isn't going to be a level of adaptation.

Putting Bob Cousy in the same starting lineup as Larry Bird, KG and Paul Pierce is as silly as putting Charles Atlas in today's Mr Universe. There's no reason to think Charles Atlas couldn't have juiced and bulked to stupidity, but like Cousy there's simply no reason to think that, even if he did, at his very best, he'd be anywhere close to today's stars. You're adding Cousy based on his attributes, not on his projected growth. His attributes against an comparatively miniscule field of competition where some 1st round picks never played a single game, electing instead to teach HS ball.

Back then NBA championship teams were getting schooled by the Harlem Globetrotters. The 1st black man drafted into the NBA went in the 2nd round. Can you imagine today having the entire 1st round nothing but uncoordinated, unathletic white men?

[Rummpd]

Lakers:

- Magic
- Michael cooper
- LeBron
- Gasol
- Shaq

Bench :
- Jerry West
- Byron Scott
- Elgin Baylor
- James Worthy
- Wilt
- Kream
- AD

Coach : Pat Riley

Only Lefty would not start Kareem the true GOAT and Cooper over West or Baylor - what you taking?

[Fat Brandon Bass]

:lmao Derp mistaking Naismith for Namath and going on a rant about football is classic

[lefty]

Only Lefty would not start Kareem the true GOAT and Cooper over West or Baylor - what you taking?

What are YOU taking?
Nobody noticed I left Kobe out :lol

[Spurtacular]

Putting Bob Cousy in the same starting lineup as Larry Bird, KG and Paul Pierce is as silly as putting Charles Atlas in today's Mr Universe. There's no reason to think Charles Atlas couldn't have juiced and bulked to stupidity, but like Cousy there's simply no reason to think that, even if he did, at his very best, he'd be anywhere close to today's stars. You're adding Cousy based on his attributes, not on his projected growth. His attributes against an comparatively miniscule field of competition where some 1st round picks never played a single game, electing instead to teach HS ball.

Back then NBA championship teams were getting schooled by the Harlem Globetrotters. The 1st black man drafted into the NBA went in the 2nd round. Can you imagine today having the entire 1st round nothing but uncoordinated, unathletic white men?

Your premise is that somehow basketball players were so much worse a couple decades prior. Maybe a lot of those guys would've been Division II players by today's standards. But a significant number of them were pro caliber in any generation. Cousy stood out for a reason. Dude led his team to six titles in seven years for a reason.

[Spurtacular]

mistaking Naismith for Namath and going on a rant about football is classic

No. This matter has been explained; that I was of the assumption that he misspelled the name.
But unlike you, I didn't look for a bitch victory from it.
Stop looking for bitch victories, Slob.

[Spurtacular]

Cousy looks good for 89 (92 now).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyCpF1LyeV4

[lefty]

I bet he can dribble with 2 hands now

[Neo.]

No. This matter has been explained; that I was of the assumption that he misspelled the name.
But unlike you, I didn't look for a bitch victory from it.
Stop looking for bitch victories, Slob.

James Naismith

Joe Namath

not sure how you could assume he misspelled it, it looked pretty clear and obvious

lmao thinking bump is mono

derp gonna derp :lmao

[Aspergtacular]

Namath played with a bulkier ball and did not have the benefit of all the advancements in sports either (gear, nutrition, field, medical, fitness, etc.).
Just look at football equipment in 90s vs today even.

But Namath was never a great in the first place. He just won a Super Bowl and was a cult of personality from there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qb4m0PDQU8

I disagree, if Wayne Gretzky played in the sand volleyball conditions that current players play in nowadays, he'd be the undisputed GOAT. He had quite a leg on him back then, and set the record for # of field goals, no doubt his fastball/slider combination would overpower current hitters today

This video really gets my point across.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aegsFtX8XOM

[A Slob's Slob]

I disagree, if Wayne Gretzky played in the sand volleyball conditions that current players play in nowadays, he'd be the undisputed GOAT. He had quite a leg on him back then, and set the record for # of field goals, no doubt his fastball/slider combination would overpower current hitters today

This video really gets my point across.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aegsFtX8XOM

[Biggems]

PG - Parker, Silas, Moore
SG - Gervin, Manu, Robertson
SF - Elliott, Mitchell, Bowen
PF - Duncan, Kenon, Cummings
C - Robinson, Aldridge, Gilmore

[Spurtacular]

I would prefer a Jo Jo White, Sam Jones, or Danny Ainge over Marcus Smart.


:lol


You've went overboard with your fanatical belief in today's players being so much better than those of yesteryear.

Three HOF'ers >>> Career 37.6 FG Shooter

Actually, Ainge ain't in BB HOF (Should be; but he is in Oregon Sports HOF).

Marcus Smart is having the worst 3-point shooting season in NBA history (https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2016/03/28/marcus-smart-by-the-numbers/?p1=article_recirc_well)Some improvement since 2016, but still. :lol