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Ed Helicopter Jones
06-14-2021, 11:20 AM
I wonder if Pop might consider following Coach K's plan to announce he is retiring after the 2021-2022 season? That would give him the opportunity to have an emotional press conference followed by a season long retirement ceremony at each city the Spurs play in. Pre game ceremonies, speeches by hall of fame players, continuing coverage by ESPN, etc. I can definitely see this happening the narcissist that Pop is.
Can't see that Pop would want that. He looked uncomfortable just having Tim recognize him in his HOF induction speech.
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Carlisle out in Dallas. Hmm.....
Related, what the hell is going on in Dallas. Unrest in their front office, Donnie Nelson canned, reports of Luka being unhappy, longtime coach jumping ship...not a fun time for Mavs fans.
BG_Spurs_Fan
06-17-2021, 03:33 PM
Carlisle is the last coach you'd want for developing young players.
Dejounte
06-17-2021, 03:41 PM
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Carlisle out in Dallas. Hmm.....
Related, what the hell is going on in Dallas. Unrest in their front office, Donnie Nelson canned, reports of Luka being unhappy, longtime coach jumping ship...not a fun time for Mavs fans.
Dallas has a GREAT future tho….. :lmao
Texas_Ranger
06-17-2021, 03:44 PM
Dallas has a GREAT future tho….. :lmao
better than the spurs
better than the spurs
Only because they have Luka. That would flip real fast if he were to leave
slick'81
06-17-2021, 04:05 PM
Only because they have Luka. That would flip real fast if he were to leave
He wont. He is set to sign a 5 year 200 million dollar extension
He wont. He is set to sign a 5 year 200 million dollar extension
I mean, he could also grab the bag and then try to force his way out in a year or two. Seems to be the superstar mantra these days.
Texas_Ranger
06-17-2021, 04:33 PM
Only because they have Luka. That would flip real fast if he were to leave
If the mavs dont get him the right pieces and if they are a first round exit team for the next 3 years, then he'll want out. Right now i dont think he really cares who's the coach, but rather who he has to play with.
slick'81
06-17-2021, 04:39 PM
If the mavs dont get him the right pieces and if they are a first round exit team for the next 3 years, then he'll want out. Right now i dont think he really cares who's the coach, but rather who he has to play with.
this x1000000 and its not like cuban isnt going to get lukas input on the next hc
Seventyniner
06-17-2021, 05:44 PM
I mean, he could also grab the bag and then try to force his way out in a year or two. Seems to be the superstar mantra these days.
This. All the supermax does is force him to play nice for another year, maybe year and a half.
EricB
06-18-2021, 12:08 AM
better than the spurs
yeah the front office strive along with a meddling owner who pissed off his franchise player is such an upgrade over what the Spurs have right now.
Texas_Ranger
06-18-2021, 02:08 AM
yeah the front office strive along with a meddling owner who pissed off his franchise player is such an upgrade over what the Spurs have right now.
the mavs will probably get a good gm and a solid coach. Doncic is already a superstar. What the fuck do the spurs have?? bunch of role players and a coach that is shit without Tim.
GreekSpursfan
06-18-2021, 02:16 AM
We need to tank, no time to get cute, RC and Pop don't you dare go after Carlisle and continue this treadmilling shit. Get a top guy to build around first and then a coach.
slick'81
06-18-2021, 03:40 AM
yeah the front office strive along with a meddling owner who pissed off his franchise player is such an upgrade over what the Spurs have right now.
Isnt that exactly what happend when fo/pop/medical staff etc pissed off kawhi. Whats with the hipocracy here? All spurs have to show for it is demar fucking derozan,yikes
exstatic
06-18-2021, 06:24 AM
Isnt that exactly what happend when fo/pop/medical staff etc pissed off kawhi. Whats with the hipocracy here? All spurs have to show for it is demar fucking derozan,yikes
Uh, no. Our ownership has not been meddlesome since Red in the 1990s.
Nothing the Spurs could have done, or not done, would have kept Kawhi in SA. History bears this out. He walked away from a damn good Toronto team and a chance to defend a title, as well as $39M by not signing a Bird deal to defend that title. He was always going to LA. Anyone who tells you different is selling some sort of agenda.
The Truth #6
06-18-2021, 07:17 AM
Exactly. The intent was clear.
“I need to be in LA to be closer to Derrick Fisher’s daughter who has cancer.” (That would have been hilarious).
But no matter what he did or didn’t say, he was LA bound.
Sugus
06-18-2021, 10:42 AM
the mavs will probably get a good gm and a solid coach. Doncic is already a superstar. What the fuck do the spurs have?? bunch of role players and a coach that is shit without Tim.
Lol, that's not all the Mavs have. The Mavs have a big time disadvantage considering their turmoil: a ticking clock. Luka got too good, too quick, and they jumped the gun at getting him a #2 with Zingis (I can understand the trade but I wouldn't have made it given Kristaps' physical profile and the contract he'd have to be signed to). Now their superstar is pissed, and apparently played a part in getting his own HC sacked, their #2 shat the bed in the big stage and has a huge contract that no team wants, not to mention his injury history; they can't look for their Robin at the top of the draft since Luka, like Harden, is a floor-raiser kind of star and won't tolerate blatant tanking while he's there.
It's beginning to look mighty possible that Luka wants out in a year or two, and mighty improvable that the Mavs' FO can turn the team into a true contender in the short time they have with the pieces they do. I'm guessing they'll bank on getting Zingis a "full healthy off-season" and mostly run it back next season with whatever coach, then when they fall flat again, it'll get interesting. If there's one superstar in the league with the power to pull a "LeBron", it's absolutely Luka - and he's got the attitude for it, too.
Spurs, meanwhile, do lack the superstar, but have the much better supporting cast already in place and developing. If they were to tank the next two years, they perfectly could land that star and develop him naturally with a fleshed out, young team around him, no bad contracts hindering capspace, no picks owed to other teams, etc. But of course, if you're consistently looking at the Spurs' half empty part of the glass, and other teams' filled half, you're never gonna see this perspective.
It's about time to bump that "Spurs have the worst future..." thread, for good :lol
Lol, that's not all the Mavs have. The Mavs have a big time disadvantage considering their turmoil: a ticking clock. Luka got too good, too quick, and they jumped the gun at getting him a #2 with Zingis (I can understand the trade but I wouldn't have made it given Kristaps' physical profile and the contract he'd have to be signed to). Now their superstar is pissed, and apparently played a part in getting his own HC sacked, their #2 shat the bed in the big stage and has a huge contract that no team wants, not to mention his injury history; they can't look for their Robin at the top of the draft since Luka, like Harden, is a floor-raiser kind of star and won't tolerate blatant tanking while he's there.
It's beginning to look mighty possible that Luka wants out in a year or two, and mighty improvable that the Mavs' FO can turn the team into a true contender in the short time they have with the pieces they do. I'm guessing they'll bank on getting Zingis a "full healthy off-season" and mostly run it back next season with whatever coach, then when they fall flat again, it'll get interesting. If there's one superstar in the league with the power to pull a "LeBron", it's absolutely Luka - and he's got the attitude for it, too.
Spurs, meanwhile, do lack the superstar, but have the much better supporting cast already in place and developing. If they were to tank the next two years, they perfectly could land that star and develop him naturally with a fleshed out, young team around him, no bad contracts hindering capspace, no picks owed to other teams, etc. But of course, if you're consistently looking at the Spurs' half empty part of the glass, and other teams' filled half, you're never gonna see this perspective.
It's about time to bump that "Spurs have the worst future..." thread, for good :lol
in watching the playoffs, i've noticed that a lot of teams have really awful supporting casts to help their superstar whereas the spurs have a solid supporting cast but no superstar.
MultiTroll
06-18-2021, 11:54 AM
Will Grandpa be a squatter so long that New Orleans picks the 1st woman coach?
Some talk the assistant has a real shot.
exstatic
06-18-2021, 12:32 PM
Will Grandpa be a squatter so long that New Orleans picks the 1st woman coach?
Some talk the assistant has a real shot.
If it’s offered, she should take it. Any assistant who’s never been a HC should take an offer, even if it’s not the best gig. Every HC job is a countdown to being fired. Get the experience.
MultiTroll
06-18-2021, 12:52 PM
If it’s offered, she should take it. Any assistant who’s never been a HC should take an offer, even if it’s not the best gig. Every HC job is a countdown to being fired. Get the experience.
The current New Orleans female assistant is the talk. Meaning Becky would not be the 1st. Unless Grandpa is leaving as mospur received intell that heavily points.
KobesAchilles
06-18-2021, 01:00 PM
Cuban is absolute shit and Luka SHOULD leave them if this is what he’s going to be surrounded by. Also it would be nice if Luka left bc he’s just really damn good and I don’t want him in our division
Spurs are missing quite a bit where a superstar doesn’t fix our issues. Yeah we make the playoffs with a Luka/Jokic etc but we have a lot of pieces that don’t fit well and honestly I don’t see us being any better than this years Denver which is good for a second round sweep.
We need a clear number 2 player that goes along with our role players. Ironically the Mavs May have shown us the way to contention but they just fucked it up. Draft a superstar (duh) and then trade the farm (picks wise) for a #2 player that is disgruntled and hopefully keep a Derick White and that would be a solid 3 player/creator
daslicer
06-18-2021, 01:21 PM
Cuban is absolute shit and Luka SHOULD leave them if this is what he’s going to be surrounded by. Also it would be nice if Luka left bc he’s just really damn good and I don’t want him in our division
Spurs are missing quite a bit where a superstar doesn’t fix our issues. Yeah we make the playoffs with a Luka/Jokic etc but we have a lot of pieces that don’t fit well and honestly I don’t see us being any better than this years Denver which is good for a second round sweep.
We need a clear number 2 player that goes along with our role players. Ironically the Mavs May have shown us the way to contention but they just fucked it up. Draft a superstar (duh) and then trade the farm (picks wise) for a #2 player that is disgruntled and hopefully keep a Derick White and that would be a solid 3 player/creator
That actually is a great strategy like you said in theory. It just blew up in the Mavs face because Porzingis wasn't that guy.
Chomag
06-18-2021, 01:29 PM
There are allot of good coaches out there now, if Pop doesn't announce what his plans are soon its kind of like he would be holding the franchise hostage
MultiTroll
06-18-2021, 01:35 PM
We need a clear number 2 player that goes along with our role players. Ironically the Mavs May have shown us the way to contention but they just fucked it up. Draft a superstar (duh) and then trade the farm (picks wise) for a #2 player that is disgruntled and hopefully keep a Derick White and that would be a solid 3 player/creator
DJ Murrays incremental progress is encouraging. I had him at Prime Kawhi Lite ceiling as a rookie. Ok he's got a long way to go to get there, but if he keeps up his rate of growth and rate of physical growth i still think Lite is possible. Bear in mind he's had possibly the worst coach in the league including forcing him to play an entire season with Brynn Forms as a backcourt mate. Also horribly misplaced as soley a pg when it's obvious he's more of a 2 and even a 2-3 vs smaller lineups.
White if he could stay on the court. Between DJ and white they make a good 2B to a star.
It's really hard to say how much further along all three would be if Grandpa dictator had not been absolutely wasting time and progress with Pet Patty, Bryn Bryn and Pet Aldridge.
MultiTroll
06-18-2021, 01:36 PM
There are allot of good coaches out there now, if Pop doesn't announce what his plans are soon its kind of like he would be holding the franchise hostage
:lol Like he hasn't already.
bigfan
06-18-2021, 01:38 PM
Pop is a class act and will wait until the end of the NBA season to announce anything. I am betting he has coached his last Spurs game. Hate to see him go but time waits for nobody.
MultiTroll
06-18-2021, 01:48 PM
Pop is a class act and will wait until the end of the NBA season to announce anything. I am betting he has coached his last Spurs game. Hate to see him go but time waits for nobody.
How is waiting until the end of the NBA season
:cry classy :cry
So as not to take attention away from the playoffs? Uh, i guess IF Becky is already the choice.
Sugus
06-18-2021, 03:06 PM
in watching the playoffs, i've noticed that a lot of teams have really awful supporting casts to help their superstar whereas the spurs have a solid supporting cast but no superstar.
That's exactly it, and it fucking sucks. We've been hearing it and seeing it all playoffs long, almost each series.
Dame has no help. Embiid has no help. Jokic has no help (well Murray was out with injury, but still). And so on. And right over here in SanAn, we've got all the help you could need, and further assets to get you some extra help if what we have isn't enough.... But no. We just have to be such an unattractive FA market, that most stars, nevermind superstars, would laugh at the idea of willingly forcing a trade to the Spurs rather than entertain the thought. Oh, but not before saying what a classy org we have, how much they respect Pop, and all that shit.
I know I should be used to it by now, but it's still annoying, and I don't feel a lot of pity for those stars crying for help, only to try to force their way to the top 3 good climate destinations any chance they get.
John B
06-18-2021, 03:55 PM
That's exactly it, and it fucking sucks. We've been hearing it and seeing it all playoffs long, almost each series.
Dame has no help. Embiid has no help. Jokic has no help (well Murray was out with injury, but still). And so on. And right over here in SanAn, we've got all the help you could need, and further assets to get you some extra help if what we have isn't enough.... But no. We just have to be such an unattractive FA market, that most stars, nevermind superstars, would laugh at the idea of willingly forcing a trade to the Spurs rather than entertain the thought. Oh, but not before saying what a classy org we have, how much they respect Pop, and all that shit.
I know I should be used to it by now, but it's still annoying, and I don't feel a lot of pity for those stars crying for help, only to try to force their way to the top 3 good climate destinations any chance they get.
Demar if he's signing back, needs to recruit other players and force their way to San Antonio. I don't know if Kyle Lowry would be ideal at his age. Maybe trade either White/Murray plus Poeltl and pick(s) to get a Zion. I don't know. It just that Pop is not the gambling man, and would rather build up. But right now it is a lot of scattered pieces. I feel that Pop is reluctant to move on until the Spurs are competitive. I also hope he stays to get that all-time winningest coach within reach, and shove in Phil Jackson's face as he GOAT.
I know I should be used to it by now, but it's still annoying, and I don't feel a lot of pity for those stars crying for help, only to try to force their way to the top 3 good climate destinations any chance they get.
exactly-although i will give credit to giannis and damon for staying put.
TD 21
06-18-2021, 04:39 PM
If this ends up true, my sense is the delay is he'll wait until after the Olympics to announce it so as to not have to deal with the added attention it'd otherwise cause and that a succession plan is already in order and it will be Hardy.
If it were going to be Hammon, we probably wouldn't constantly be hearing hear name in the mix for so many openings.
KobesAchilles
06-18-2021, 04:41 PM
Are we just waiting for Bud to get fired? Bc the longer he waits the less candidates will be available and we may pick from the bottom of the barrel
Dejounte
06-18-2021, 04:42 PM
If this ends up true, my sense is the delay is he'll wait until after the Olympics to announce it so as to not have to deal with the added attention it'd otherwise cause and that a succession plan is already in order and it will be Hardy.
If it were going to be Hammon, we probably wouldn't constantly be hearing hear name in the mix for so many openings.
Good point, Hardy was frequently mentioned for interviews with other teams last year along with Becky. Maybe this past season was an audition of sorts and Pop decided Hardy was the cream of the crop.
slick'81
06-18-2021, 04:43 PM
If this ends up true, my sense is the delay is he'll wait until after the Olympics to announce it so as to not have to deal with the added attention it'd otherwise cause and that a succession plan is already in order and it will be Hardy.
If it were going to be Hammon, we probably wouldn't constantly be hearing hear name in the mix for so many openings.
Heard hardys name come up this off season. If spurs stay in house he probably gets a shot
TD 21
06-18-2021, 04:49 PM
If Hardy and not Hammon is the successor, the national media will overlook probably the determining factor (seniority) and instead heap criticism on the Spurs.
Established, big money coaches, who can pick and choose, like Budenholzer, make no sense for a team early in a rebuild and vice versa. What does is going with a younger coach, especially one who's already established relationships with the youth.
Dejounte
06-18-2021, 04:52 PM
Funny. I recall thinking to myself how much Hardy sounded so much like Pop (minus the assholery) in interviews when he was first hired on as an assistant coach.
paperboy77
06-18-2021, 09:37 PM
Pop can fuck off already. Ticks me off watching some of these rookies step up in the playoffs while Greg will not even try. How fucking easy is basketball really? Meaning it's not rocket science. You tell that rookie what his role will be and whats expected and bam.. let him play. Only caveat to this is that you should not expect a rookie to be the lead-role on the team. Outside of that, if you're first rounder you should be able to perform.
In the past I might have not considered this due to us winning and other teams rolling out rookies losing. Not the case now days. Pop gotta go.
offset formation
06-18-2021, 10:03 PM
That's exactly it, and it fucking sucks. We've been hearing it and seeing it all playoffs long, almost each series.
Dame has no help. Embiid has no help. Jokic has no help (well Murray was out with injury, but still). And so on. And right over here in SanAn, we've got all the help you could need, and further assets to get you some extra help if what we have isn't enough.... But no. We just have to be such an unattractive FA market, that most stars, nevermind superstars, would laugh at the idea of willingly forcing a trade to the Spurs rather than entertain the thought. Oh, but not before saying what a classy org we have, how much they respect Pop, and all that shit.
I know I should be used to it by now, but it's still annoying, and I don't feel a lot of pity for those stars crying for help, only to try to force their way to the top 3 good climate destinations any chance they get.
maybe being in Austin would change our cache. Despite SA being a bigger city, Austin clearly has the cooler mystique.
KobesAchilles
06-18-2021, 11:44 PM
DJ Murrays incremental progress is encouraging. I had him at Prime Kawhi Lite ceiling as a rookie. Ok he's got a long way to go to get there, but if he keeps up his rate of growth and rate of physical growth i still think Lite is possible. Bear in mind he's had possibly the worst coach in the league including forcing him to play an entire season with Brynn Forms as a backcourt mate. Also horribly misplaced as soley a pg when it's obvious he's more of a 2 and even a 2-3 vs smaller lineups.
White if he could stay on the court. Between DJ and white they make a good 2B to a star.
It's really hard to say how much further along all three would be if Grandpa dictator had not been absolutely wasting time and progress with Pet Patty, Bryn Bryn and Pet Aldridge.
Im not sold on DJ until he starts making 3s. He is more of a mini-DDR than Kawhi. And idgaf about percentage (too much) but the guy needs to be taking more than 3 a game and making more than 1 a game. Although he did shoot a horrendous.317 percentage, if he upped it to like 6 a game and made 2.5 then that would help him overall. It frees up his midrange that he loves and also his drive to the hoop game
His feel for the game is a question mark. It does seem like you can learn it but some people have it and some people don’t. Does Murray have the smarts to pick it up? Idk but that comes with more reps. This is a make or break year for Murray in my eyes (not the Spurs) and will tell us the type of player he’s going to be. This might be his ceiling or maybe he becomes more like Jamal Murray?
tbdog
06-19-2021, 03:49 AM
Watching Utah choke makes me wonder how much X&O don't matter as much anymore. It's all about rotations and motivations. Silver is the worst CEO of NBA history. The game has become this 3 point chucking mess. There are like 5 max centers in the NBA.
tbdog
06-19-2021, 03:52 AM
Im not sold on DJ until he starts making 3s. He is more of a mini-DDR than Kawhi. And idgaf about percentage (too much) but the guy needs to be taking more than 3 a game and making more than 1 a game. Although he did shoot a horrendous.317 percentage, if he upped it to like 6 a game and made 2.5 then that would help him overall. It frees up his midrange that he loves and also his drive to the hoop game
His feel for the game is a question mark. It does seem like you can learn it but some people have it and some people don’t. Does Murray have the smarts to pick it up? Idk but that comes with more reps. This is a make or break year for Murray in my eyes (not the Spurs) and will tell us the type of player he’s going to be. This might be his ceiling or maybe he becomes more like Jamal Murray?
I always felt that Murray has Beverly like career with more intangibles. He seems like a natural leader. There are lots of players in the NBA that you could say 'if only he could shoot.'. Murray is one of them that turns into an all-star if he learns to shoot. The other stuff; feel for the game, that's the difference between all-stars and stars.
mo7888
06-19-2021, 08:44 AM
Watching Utah choke makes me wonder how much X&O don't matter as much anymore. It's all about rotations and motivations. Silver is the worst CEO of NBA history. The game has become this 3 point chucking mess. There are like 5 max centers in the NBA.
That's 5 max centers too many the way the game is played... Gobert was almost unplayable in stretches in the 2nd half and his contract going forward handicaps them to the point that they'll never seriously compete for a championship.
pad300
06-19-2021, 10:09 AM
... if he upped it to like 6 a game and made 2.5 then that would help him overall. It frees up his midrange that he loves and also his drive to the hoop game
...
That seems a little much to ask. 2.5/6 = .41666. This last year there were a total of 7 players who shot better than .416 from 3 on more than 6 attempts per game...
KobesAchilles
06-19-2021, 11:06 AM
That seems a little much to ask. 2.5/6 = .41666. This last year there were a total of 7 players who shot better than .416 from 3 on more than 6 attempts per game...
Ah then up it to 7. My point really is that I want him to attempt and make more 3s per game. Somewhere around 2 would be nice. I didn’t really do the stats on it :lol
Bc Murray shoots a low number of free throws which hurts his game too. So he needs to improve somewhere. I mean once DDR leaves, I think our next highest FTA players is White at like 3.6 a game. More midrange from Murray isn’t the answer
Of course if Lonnie ever goes into contact instead of avoiding contact that would send him to the line like 7 a game. Nobody can stay with his first step. He needs Manu to teach him the tricks of the trade
KobesAchilles
06-19-2021, 11:13 AM
That's 5 max centers too many the way the game is played... Gobert was almost unplayable in stretches in the 2nd half and his contract going forward handicaps them to the point that they'll never seriously compete for a championship.
Gobert is an example of an analytics darling that doesn’t play out in the real world. He’s a great rim protector apparently but I feel like nobody is really scared of him. You look at the analytics and it’s like he holds opponents to 39% shooting around the rim all season long! And I’m like well how come they always get lit the fuck up during playoffs? Bc his D is overrated and easily exploited. The Clippers shouldn’t be scoring 130 a game with no Kawhi. But you play small against Utah and make him guard the perimeter and then he becomes useless bc he can’t post anybody to save his life and make you pay offensively when you play small. Utah isn’t going anywhere with him on the floor. Cute regular season team.
Don should team up with Luka. That would be fun to see.
Prime BEEF
06-19-2021, 02:59 PM
Watching Utah choke makes me wonder how much X&O don't matter as much anymore. It's all about rotations and motivations. Silver is the worst CEO of NBA history. The game has become this 3 point chucking mess. There are like 5 max centers in the NBA.
Yup
KobesAchilles
06-19-2021, 10:29 PM
Whelp no Bud for us…
slick'81
06-19-2021, 10:33 PM
Whelp no Bud for us…
Will hardy ftw
tmtcsc
06-19-2021, 10:50 PM
That's exactly it, and it fucking sucks. We've been hearing it and seeing it all playoffs long, almost each series.
Dame has no help. Embiid has no help. Jokic has no help (well Murray was out with injury, but still). And so on. And right over here in SanAn, we've got all the help you could need, and further assets to get you some extra help if what we have isn't enough.... But no. We just have to be such an unattractive FA market, that most stars, nevermind superstars, would laugh at the idea of willingly forcing a trade to the Spurs rather than entertain the thought. Oh, but not before saying what a classy org we have, how much they respect Pop, and all that shit.
I know I should be used to it by now, but it's still annoying, and I don't feel a lot of pity for those stars crying for help, only to try to force their way to the top 3 good climate destinations any chance they get.
Dame has McCullough and a talented 7 footer. Embid has Simmons and Tobias Harris. Jokic had Aaron Gordon for the playoff run and will have Murray when he returns. The Spurs have NOTHING but role players. I'm including DeRozan in that equation because the dude doesn't shoot 3's or play defense. We have a bunch of young players who don't know how to win.
Sugus
06-20-2021, 04:13 PM
Dame has McCullough and a talented 7 footer. Embid has Simmons and Tobias Harris. Jokic had Aaron Gordon for the playoff run and will have Murray when he returns. The Spurs have NOTHING but role players. I'm including DeRozan in that equation because the dude doesn't shoot 3's or play defense. We have a bunch of young players who don't know how to win.
Aha, and why are the Spurs lacking those star caliber players in the first place? Yeah, they suck as a market for FAs. How many McCollum or Harris-level players did the Lakers have before LeBron signed with them? Do tell...
tmtcsc
06-20-2021, 05:54 PM
Aha, and why are the Spurs lacking those star caliber players in the first place? Yeah, they suck as a market for FAs. How many McCollum or Harris-level players did the Lakers have before LeBron signed with them? Do tell...
I don't think it has anything to do with super stars not wanting to live in San Antonio, its hot climate or this being a small-market. Nothing is small in this global economy. Kawhi wanted to go back to LA. I think players prioritize money first and winning second. If the Spurs have the salary space, they'll attract quality FA's. Morris was ready to come here until he got a better offer from NY. Aldridge came here over LA. The Spurs were one year removed from winning a Championship & Aldridge preferred the Spurs message and commitment to winning Championships.
The worst part of the Spurs situation now is that they don't have the same caliber of players who could compete for rings. That could make a big difference to a superstar who wants to win.
Whelp no Bud for us…
Still in play tbh. He’s been kinda crappy this post season in all honesty. But for a young team like Spurs (not win now group like Bucks), he’d be good
KobesAchilles
06-20-2021, 10:33 PM
76ers are gonna drop Simmons for nothing. I would take a good look into this. DJ for Simmons? Plus whatever filler we need salary wise.
Stump
06-20-2021, 10:45 PM
76ers are gonna drop Simmons for nothing. I would take a good look into this. DJ for Simmons? Plus whatever filler we need salary wise.
Simmons has a horrible contract. We're not giving them Dejounte, or anything else of value up for Simmons.
Gibbz
06-20-2021, 11:12 PM
I'm cool with bringing in Simmons, but why on fucking earth would SA ever give them DJ--a legitimate asset--for him? He's owed $147 mil over the next four seasons and just came off the most humiliating series possible.
KobesAchilles
06-20-2021, 11:28 PM
I'm cool with bringing in Simmons, but why on fucking earth would SA ever give them DJ--a legitimate asset--for him? He's owed $147 mil over the next four seasons and just came off the most humiliating series possible.
It’s more for fit I believe. I’m probably the only one :lol
But it makes everyone play their position. White the PG at all times. Lonnie solely as SG and not guarding Jayson Tatum or Lebron. KJ as SF and he isn’t an undersized PF on defense giving up significant size and weight. Ben at PF on defense and really a secondary playmaker on offense that can learn how to rim run and push the transition. And Gieng at the 5 or whoever we can get to space the floor. Add Mark for shooting off the bench, Vassell and Poeltl with Luka
tbdog
06-21-2021, 01:53 AM
Playing poeltl and Simmons together would be hell for spacing. Then White and Johnson so so 3 point shooting would be a further disaster. Even if Curry and Klay was our backcourt, the spacing would be iffy. At least Draymond Green took and made 3s every game.
tbdog
06-21-2021, 02:00 AM
Just for the record, I am not oppose of getting Simmons, even on that contract. I am not sure if Sixers would want Murray, but more likely want White and DDR instead. I also think Simmons is likely Portland bound.
In saying that, if Spurs are an option, then more drastic changes would be required. Like they would need to go for Duncan Robinson pretty damn hard as he is the best shooter available. And Luka and Johnson would hopefully be better shooters. Also I'll try and tie up a PF stick that could shoot at the expense of Poeltl.
exstatic
06-21-2021, 06:45 AM
It’s more for fit I believe. I’m probably the only one :lol
But it makes everyone play their position. White the PG at all times. Lonnie solely as SG and not guarding Jayson Tatum or Lebron. KJ as SF and he isn’t an undersized PF on defense giving up significant size and weight. Ben at PF on defense and really a secondary playmaker on offense that can learn how to rim run and push the transition. And Gieng at the 5 or whoever we can get to space the floor. Add Mark for shooting off the bench, Vassell and Poeltl with Luka
You know why they put Lonnie on those players, don’t you? He’s one of the worst help defenders in the NBA, so you put him on someone you NEVER help off of. :lol. He’s just flat awful on rotations.
EricB
06-22-2021, 11:27 AM
the mavs will probably get a good gm and a solid coach. Doncic is already a superstar. What the fuck do the spurs have?? bunch of role players and a coach that is shit without Tim.
you do know the owner ignores the GM and still does what he feels like personal wise and the coach, they had a great coach, you’re not getting one better than Carlisle that’s available.
also fuck off with this isn’t shit without tim bullshit.
EricB
06-22-2021, 11:28 AM
Isnt that exactly what happend when fo/pop/medical staff etc pissed off kawhi. Whats with the hipocracy here? All spurs have to show for it is demar fucking derozan,yikes
ah we’re still believing that lie are we
MultiTroll
06-22-2021, 11:55 AM
also fuck off with this isn’t shit without tim bullshit.
166-102 w Duncan and Prime Kawhi. Zero missed playoffs.
4-12 without. 2 missed playoffs b2b.
Like another cup?
Texas_Ranger
06-22-2021, 12:02 PM
you do know the owner ignores the GM and still does what he feels like personal wise and the coach, they had a great coach, you’re not getting one better than Carlisle that’s available.
also fuck off with this isn’t shit without tim bullshit.
Cuban is a retard if he really trusts that gambler more than the FO, so if he continues to do so, he will lose Doncic for sure, as he wont wanna play for a team with a bunch of d leaguers. Carlisle has not really been a good coach. Perhaps 10 years ago, now not so much. Anyone that tells your 7'3 guy to not play in the post is not that smart of a coach.
and spurs have been shit without tim and so has been pop. Show me it aint so.
R. DeMurre
06-22-2021, 12:15 PM
One way to make centers more relevant again would be to adopt the Euroleague cylinder rule, where once the ball touches the rim it's live. I would be in favor of this rule, as the ref miss so many cylinder calls anyway.
Aggie Hoopsfan
06-22-2021, 12:19 PM
166-102 w Duncan and Prime Kawhi. Zero missed playoffs.
4-12 without. 2 missed playoffs b2b.
Like another cup?
Cut Eric some slack, he was the original Spurstalk Popsucker.
TD 21
06-22-2021, 03:08 PM
One way to make centers more relevant again would be to adopt the Euroleague cylinder rule, where once the ball touches the rim it's live. I would be in favor of this rule, as the ref miss so many cylinder calls anyway.
With the athletic freaks that roam the NBA, there's no way that'd fly because they'd bat damn near everything on the rim, off.
MultiTroll
06-22-2021, 03:30 PM
Embid has Simmons
and your point is?
R. DeMurre
06-22-2021, 05:20 PM
With the athletic freaks that roam the NBA, there's no way that'd fly because they'd bat damn near everything on the rim, off.
Right, making play near the rim by bigs more important... the only thing it changes is shots that aren't swishes. Why wouldn't you want that?
TD 21
06-22-2021, 06:16 PM
Right, making play near the rim by bigs more important... the only thing it changes is shots that aren't swishes. Why wouldn't you want that?
I just think it'd look gimmicky and circus like. Also, I know you didn't suggest it, but let's face it, the league would never do anything with the intention of benefitting bigs.
spurraider21
06-22-2021, 06:18 PM
no contender would want simmons, but bad/mediocre teams would want him because he's still a very good player and provides a floor. i'd love him here for a new look spurs, assuming derozan would be gone and murray would be part of the trade. or a derozan S&T that also includes murray as part of the package
spurraider21
06-22-2021, 06:23 PM
Simmons has a horrible contract. We're not giving them Dejounte, or anything else of value up for Simmons.
:lol i love dejounte, but this is insane
Aggie Hoopsfan
06-22-2021, 07:18 PM
$33 million a year for a worse playoff choker than DDR. No thanks.
Gibbz
06-22-2021, 08:52 PM
If the Spurs trade Dejounte on a 4/63 for Ben Simmons on a 5/177 this franchise really is fucked beyond repair.
KobesAchilles
06-22-2021, 09:01 PM
If the Spurs trade Dejounte on a 4/63 for Ben Simmons on a 5/177 this franchise really is fucked beyond repair.
So we go from the 10th seed to the 12th seed?
Gibbz
06-22-2021, 09:04 PM
So we go from the 10th seed to the 12th seed?
Why would SA commit almost triple the money to a player similar to DJ who's already content here? Things can change quickly in the NBA. That contract is an anchor.
talkspurs
06-22-2021, 09:22 PM
:lol i love dejounte, but this is insane
Ben simmons is a name and is paid for that. DJ has shown more improvement and although does not have the accolades (because of name) is the better Defender of PG. Simmons is more switchable but DJ his more 3s points and other stats are not far off except maybe blocks. FT to DJ and FG to ben but the bigger difference is in FT. Also DJ takes tough shots and is willing to shoot it. I was one of the biggest supporters of DJ before the season and I would not trade him for Simmons.
KobesAchilles
06-23-2021, 12:35 AM
Why would SA commit almost triple the money to a player similar to DJ who's already content here? Things can change quickly in the NBA. That contract is an anchor.
I’m just in for it so we don’t have to be out of position every damn game. White guards point guards. Lonnie guards shooting guards. KJ guards SF. Ben guards PF and whoever is C guards the other C. I’m tired of being undersized at every wing position. This let’s draft 6’4 guys and play them at the same time is stupid.
spurraider21
06-24-2021, 01:00 PM
$33 million a year for a worse playoff choker than DDR. No thanks.
to be fair its hard for derozan to choke in the playoffs when he cant even get that far
spurraider21
06-24-2021, 01:01 PM
so... was OP wrong? other teams are scooping up coaches. no word on pop actually stepping down...
The Truth #6
06-24-2021, 01:03 PM
so... was OP wrong? other teams are scooping up coaches. no word on pop actually stepping down...
It's cool. We have Will Hardy. *sarcasm
BackHome
06-24-2021, 01:53 PM
If Pop leaves will hire a shitty coach and tank hard and depending on where we draft we keep him or let him go after one or two terrible years.
slick'81
06-24-2021, 02:39 PM
so... was OP wrong? other teams are scooping up coaches. no word on pop actually stepping down...
I believe op started a similar thread last season or so and was also wrong. Exstatic said its well known pop will step down after the olympics.which would mean sours have already eyed a successor. Of course they could also be full of shit
I believe op started a similar thread last season or so and was also wrong. Exstatic said its well known pop will step down after the olympics.which would mean sours have already eyed a successor. Of course they could also be full of shit
yeah-ST speculation is usually way off but occasionally gets something right. it helps to have sources but unless woj or shams suddenly become posters on this board, we just have to go with what we have. of course, consistency builds credibility so maybe OP gets a feather in his cap on this one. but it's not exactly as if someone would be going way out on the ledge for declaring that a 72 year old coach is going to walk away from a team that is facing a rebuild.
slick'81
06-24-2021, 03:07 PM
yeah-ST speculation is usually way off but occasionally gets something right. it helps to have sources but unless woj or shams suddenly become posters on this board, we just have to go with what lwe have. of course, consistency builds credibility so maybe OP gets a feather in his cap on this one. but it's not exactly as if someone would be going way out on the ledge for declaring that a 72 year old coach is going to walk away from a team that is facing a rebuild.
no doubt.if there was ever a year for pop to step away it this one- Lma gone,demar supposedly out the door.i cant see pop staying on another season to coach a bunch of youngsters to another lottery. Of course pop could stay on and demar/patty/gay etc could return to appease pop and make another "run" for the playoffs
objective
06-24-2021, 03:35 PM
Pop retiring so late into the summer well after all the other coaching vacancies happen would really screw the next head coach and to not have it announced already would be some big bad.
If Hammon gets one of the other jobs first she's probably taking at least one of the coaching interns with her for her staff, and/or maybe that other rookie assistant.
Pop already couldn't fill his bench with any quality or experienced assistants.
Even if Hardy is the designated successor, how the hell is he supposed to fill a staff after every other job has filled up and taken every assistant that any team would be interested in? It sure isn't like Hardy has some deep varied resumé with contacts around the league who will drop what they're doing to join him, he's functionally a nobody in the NBA.
And nobody will be real eager to join such a nobody on a team with a bleak future, relatively poor ownership, and the heavy expectations of following a legendary coach. It's a recipe for looking for a new job in a couple of years.
One of the reported issues with Nate Bjorkgren in Indiana was that he couldn't get any good assistants to join him, and as a result had the kind of bad staff that wanted to fight players and couldn't help Bjorkgren control the locker room, so much that Pritchard as GM had to give multiple locker room speeches and meetings as well as have to sit near the bench to step in to manage things.
Any Pop retirement now would probably doom Hardy to failure. It's not like Bill Self is likely to screw his university over in the same way to come so late in the process, again having to have issues filling his staff.
BatManu20
06-24-2021, 03:38 PM
Never say never, but it looks like the Sixers aren’t trading Simmons and are going to give him one more offseason to prove himself. Let’s move on from this fairytale tbh.
With that said, when tf are we going to know if Pop is returning or not tbh.
1408091987157344262
slick'81
06-24-2021, 03:46 PM
Pop retiring so late into the summer well after all the other coaching vacancies happen would really screw the next head coach and to not have it announced already would be some big bad.
If Hammon gets one of the other jobs first she's probably taking at least one of the coaching interns with her for her staff, and/or maybe that other rookie assistant.
Pop already couldn't fill his bench with any quality or experienced assistants.
Even if Hardy is the designated successor, how the hell is he supposed to fill a staff after every other job has filled up and taken every assistant that any team would be interested in? It sure isn't like Hardy has some deep varied resumé with contacts around the league who will drop what they're doing to join him, he's functionally a nobody in the NBA.
And nobody will be real eager to join such a nobody on a team with a bleak future, relatively poor ownership, and the heavy expectations of following a legendary coach. It's a recipe for looking for a new job in a couple of years.
One of the reported issues with Nate Bjorkgren in Indiana was that he couldn't get any good assistants to join him, and as a result had the kind of bad staff that wanted to fight players and couldn't help Bjorkgren control the locker room, so much that Pritchard as GM had to give multiple locker room speeches and meetings as well as have to sit near the bench to step in to manage things.
Any Pop retirement now would probably doom Hardy to failure. It's not like Bill Self is likely to screw his university over in the same way to come so late in the process, again having to have issues filling his staff.
Again,this is assuming pop even steps away. Just a year ago he said "why would i retire". If pop were to step away after the olympics it would definitely not help the spurs in filling out the bench for hardy etc as you said
slick'81
06-24-2021, 03:47 PM
Never say never, but it looks like the Sixers aren’t trading Simmons and are going to give him one more offseason to prove himself. Let’s move on from this fairytale tbh.
With that said, when tf are we going to know if Pop is returning or not tbh.
1408091987157344262
Yea that was a pipe dream for sure
SPURt
06-24-2021, 04:00 PM
Never say never, but it looks like the Sixers aren’t trading Simmons and are going to give him one more offseason to prove himself. Let’s move on from this fairytale tbh.
With that said, when tf are we going to know if Pop is returning or not tbh.
1408091987157344262
They’re trying to preserve trade value :stirpot:
my own two cents is that if pop is set to retire, the team must already have a plan in place for who steps in and i'd imagine it woud be mostly internal but because this seems so off-in terms of that a change of transition would be happening now-it wouldn't surprise me at all if he stays another year. the thinking is that pop would walk away now but the thing is that pop might actually be invested in these players, to the point where he wants another year to coach them up, with an actual summer league, practice days and a training camp. again, i have no leads, no sources-just what i think could be the case.
BatManu20
06-24-2021, 04:48 PM
Had the Bucks lost in the 2nd Round again to a beat up Nets team, I think Coach Bud would’ve been canned and the Spurs would’ve thought long and hard about bringing him back in to be Pop’s replacement, either this season or next. He’s not getting canned now though, even if they lose to the Hawks.
slick'81
06-24-2021, 04:52 PM
Had the Bucks lost in the 2nd Round again to a beat up Nets team, I think Coach Bud would’ve been canned and the Spurs would’ve thought long and hard about being going home back into to be Pop’s replacement, with ether this season or next. He’s not getting canned now though, even if they lose to the Hawks.
i was hoping this back when atl canned him ,but oh well. Lots of spurs assistants have come and gone since- monty,bud,quin,ime and maybe becky etc. in the end it all comes down to when greg popovich is ready to finally say goodbye
ducks
08-06-2021, 07:56 PM
Hope so !
MoSpur02
08-07-2021, 07:49 AM
https://twitter.com/mikefinger/status/1423881679991545859?s=21
I hope he was just saying “bye” as he didn’t wanna answer the question, but who knows. As I stated back in May, from what I understand they were talking as if he has already decided to retire. Hope I’m wrong.
YoungbuckMurray
08-07-2021, 08:19 AM
https://twitter.com/mikefinger/status/1423881679991545859?s=21
I hope he was just saying “bye” as he didn’t wanna answer the question, but who knows. As I stated back in May, from what I understand they were talking as if he has already decided to retire. Hope I’m wrong.
the part that doesn’t make sense to me if they already know he’s retiring and that Becky is the next coach is why would she have been interviewing. Unless it’s not Becky and they know pop is retiring or they don’t know.
HankChinaski
08-07-2021, 08:28 AM
He is not stepping down. He enjoys what he does and he is a man of routine and structure. He most likely would hate retirement.
MultiTroll
08-07-2021, 12:01 PM
https://twitter.com/mikefinger/status/1423881679991545859?s=21
I hope he was just saying “bye” as he didn’t wanna answer the question, but who knows. As I stated back in May, from what I understand they were talking as if he has already decided to retire. Hope I’m wrong.
Silly headgames. :lol
EricB
08-07-2021, 12:07 PM
I’ve been told all expectations are is that he’s coming back.
The Truth #6
08-07-2021, 01:08 PM
I’ve been told all expectations are is that he’s coming back.
Is this a 180 from what you heard before? Or do you think he was always coming back? Seems like you have some inside info...
NO LIMIT ARMY COMMANDER
08-07-2021, 01:09 PM
According to my sources, Pop will……..stay tuned
baseline bum
08-07-2021, 01:13 PM
He is not stepping down. He enjoys what he does and he is a man of routine and structure. He most likely would hate retirement.
Always figured he'd spend his retirement making wine.
NO LIMIT ARMY COMMANDER
08-07-2021, 01:17 PM
Always figured he'd spend his retirement making wine.
Maybe he’ll get a handle here. What better way to spend one’s time?
MultiTroll
08-07-2021, 01:32 PM
I’ve been told all expectations are is that he’s coming back.
Give a source or STFU.
timvp
08-07-2021, 01:37 PM
One interesting tidbit I've heard directly is that the coaches association and the agents who rep coaches really wants Pop to keep coaching. They want Pop to normalize NBA coaches coaching beyond the age of 70. As it is, they believe that age discrimination makes it nearly impossible to keep coaching beyond the early 60s. If Pop can have success into his 70s, that'd help other older coaches (specifically 70-year-old Mike D'Antoni) stay in the game longer.
As for what Pop will do ... I don't know. MoSpur02 is a proven insider so I'd say trust what he says until proven otherwise, tbh.
The Truth #6
08-07-2021, 01:42 PM
When the pinot noir hangover subsides, he’ll likely assess and let people know, I guess?
Seventyniner
08-07-2021, 01:47 PM
One interesting tidbit I've heard directly is that the coaches association and the agents who rep coaches really wants Pop to keep coaching. They want Pop to normalize NBA coaches coaching beyond the age of 70. As it is, they believe that age discrimination makes it nearly impossible to keep coaching beyond the early 60s. If Pop can have success into his 70s, that'd help other older coaches (specifically 70-year-old Mike D'Antoni) stay in the game longer.
As for what Pop will do ... I don't know. MoSpur02 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11593) is a proven insider so I'd say trust what he says until proven otherwise, tbh.
I don't think Pop's recent coaching performance with the Spurs is helping the "over 70s can still coach dammit!" argument. The gold medal will help, but not by much if the Spurs continue to struggle.
Even though Pop has more than earned the right to go out on his own terms, it would be kind of bullshit for him to retire this late in the offseason. He's presumably had a hand in all of the team's decisions this summer, and it's not a good look to jerk around free agents like that. Of course we're talking McDermott and Zollins so who cares what they think, they aren't stars right.
RC_Drunkford
08-07-2021, 01:58 PM
you don't construct a roster and then change the headcoach afterwards. That wouldn't make sense
Kurgan
08-07-2021, 02:00 PM
Yeah, the Forbes signing should be a big clue that Pop is returning
Mugen
08-07-2021, 02:11 PM
One interesting tidbit I've heard directly is that the coaches association and the agents who rep coaches really wants Pop to keep coaching. They want Pop to normalize NBA coaches coaching beyond the age of 70. As it is, they believe that age discrimination makes it nearly impossible to keep coaching beyond the early 60s. If Pop can have success into his 70s, that'd help other older coaches (specifically 70-year-old Mike D'Antoni) stay in the game longer.
As for what Pop will do ... I don't know. MoSpur02 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11593) is a proven insider so I'd say trust what he says until proven otherwise, tbh.
I don't think he's helping the cause tbh :lol
The Truth #6
08-07-2021, 03:55 PM
Yeah, the Forbes signing should be a big clue that Pop is returning
I agree with that.
But then I look at Will Hardy leaving. If Pop had one more year, wouldn't he stick around and see if he could become the next HC, especially if Becky gets a gig somewhere else?
It's confusing. But, it's looking like he's returning at this point unless they unveil Becky and a bunch of assistants that they've been keeping under wraps. Seems unlikely. Seems more like Pop has kept the organization waiting for him to make up his mind.
MoSpur02
08-07-2021, 04:22 PM
One interesting tidbit I've heard directly is that the coaches association and the agents who rep coaches really wants Pop to keep coaching. They want Pop to normalize NBA coaches coaching beyond the age of 70. As it is, they believe that age discrimination makes it nearly impossible to keep coaching beyond the early 60s. If Pop can have success into his 70s, that'd help other older coaches (specifically 70-year-old Mike D'Antoni) stay in the game longer.
As for what Pop will do ... I don't know. MoSpur02 is a proven insider so I'd say trust what he says until proven otherwise, tbh.
Ownership really WANTS him to keep coaching. They have made that known to him over and over. The contract he is on is like year to year basically. They worked hard to convince him to stay as coach last season and I think the year before as well. He stayed and I think that had to do with the vets on the team and wanting to compete for the playoffs.
As we all know those vets are all gone so this off session is totally different from those in the past. I haven’t heard anything since late May so something could’ve changed. I for one still want him to coach and hope he does.
GreekSpursfan
08-07-2021, 04:32 PM
We'll definitely miss Pop when he's gone and obviously we need it because we need to be absolute a$$ the next couple of years and he might prevent us from it so that being said i'm gonna make my prediction and say that this was the last time he coached.
Allan Rowe vs Wade
08-07-2021, 04:36 PM
i want pop to coach until he dies and possibly afterward. the el cid strategy
Ocotillo
08-07-2021, 04:37 PM
I can see him wanting to just disappear and not have a farewell tour so could be a reason for him hanging it up now. I would be a perplexed if he did just leave the organization in a lurch though so that goes against him just hanging it up. Any chance he would do like Riles and move to the front office and have Becky take over? Not sure, what he would do in the front office though, R.C. is president and Wright is GM. What do Barry and Ferry do? Maybe co-president?
buttsR4rebounding
08-07-2021, 04:38 PM
i want pop to coach until he dies and possibly afterward. the el cid strategy
Has anybody actually checked for a pulse lately?
Harry Callahan
08-07-2021, 05:50 PM
I think so late in the game with the season coming very soon, we will know for sure very soon as well.
I hope he gives it another go. He might enjoy working with and actually developing the young guys knowing there are no unrealistic expectations for the short term (1 to 2 years).
Uriel
08-07-2021, 08:12 PM
https://twitter.com/mikefinger/status/1423881679991545859?s=21
I hope he was just saying “bye” as he didn’t wanna answer the question, but who knows. As I stated back in May, from what I understand they were talking as if he has already decided to retire. Hope I’m wrong.
Do you know what sayonara means? It means goodbye. He's gone.
MoSpur02
08-07-2021, 08:36 PM
Do you know what sayonara means? It means goodbye. He's gone.
I do know what it means, which is why I said he hope he was just saying bye.
Dennis the Menace
08-07-2021, 08:41 PM
If Pop being back means a worse record and better draft selection, we’ll then I’m all for it.
ismael-robert
08-07-2021, 08:51 PM
Uriel did u not see the follow up tweet? Adds more context/
NickiRasgo
08-07-2021, 08:53 PM
I'm a bit convinced after the Derozan trade that he'll retire then the Spurs signed Forbes again so I don't know. lol
timvp
08-08-2021, 02:11 PM
Knowing Pop, the day he does retire, there won't be an announcement. Training camp will start, Pop won't be there and that's how everyone will find out.
Either that or in a press release where his retirement is buried beneath the news of a new Coyote costume washer.
MultiTroll
08-08-2021, 04:42 PM
Ownership really WANTS him to keep coaching. They have made that known to him over and over. The contract he is on is like year to year basically. They worked hard to convince him to stay as coach last season and I think the year before as well. He stayed and I think that had to do with the vets on the team and wanting to compete for the playoffs.
As we all know those vets are all gone so this off session is totally different from those in the past. I haven’t heard anything since late May so something could’ve changed. I for one still want him to coach and hope he does.
Have you heard of ANYONE within the org suggest and have it reach ownership/managements ears that perhaps a coach more in tune with modern basketball strategy would improve the TEAMS chances?
From whoever is just below President of Everything Spurs Lord Pop on down to the nightime custodial staff.
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/bryn-forbes-and-patty-mills-of-the-san-antonio-spurs-talk-against-the-picture-id901301050
DPG21920
08-08-2021, 05:55 PM
One interesting tidbit I've heard directly is that the coaches association and the agents who rep coaches really wants Pop to keep coaching. They want Pop to normalize NBA coaches coaching beyond the age of 70. As it is, they believe that age discrimination makes it nearly impossible to keep coaching beyond the early 60s. If Pop can have success into his 70s, that'd help other older coaches (specifically 70-year-old Mike D'Antoni) stay in the game longer.
As for what Pop will do ... I don't know. MoSpur02 is a proven insider so I'd say trust what he says until proven otherwise, tbh.
Is he having success though? Missing the playoffs likely 3 years in a row? Beyond that it’s a unique situation where Pop is a huge figure and basically can’t be fired.
Not sure other teams will feel the same way with other coaches regardless due to the uniqueness of the situation paired with some serious lackluster results/coaching last few years.
And I don’t mean any disrespect to Pop; he’s a legend. I’m just questioning this line of thinking.
Chomag
08-08-2021, 09:13 PM
Signing back Forbes is all the answer that we need to know
NO LIMIT ARMY COMMANDER
08-08-2021, 10:03 PM
What better way to TANK than to have Pop on the sideline?
MannyIsGod
08-08-2021, 10:32 PM
Knowing Pop, the day he does retire, there won't be an announcement. Training camp will start, Pop won't be there and that's how everyone will find out.
Either that or in a press release where his retirement is buried beneath the news of a new Coyote costume washer.
One of the reasons I think he'll retire is I don't think he wants the all time win record. If he coaches this year I have a hard time believing he doesn't get it.
MoSpur02
08-08-2021, 10:50 PM
Have you heard of ANYONE within the org suggest and have it reach ownership/managements ears that perhaps a coach more in tune with modern basketball strategy would improve the TEAMS chances?
From whoever is just below President of Everything Spurs Lord Pop on down to the nightime custodial staff.
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/bryn-forbes-and-patty-mills-of-the-san-antonio-spurs-talk-against-the-picture-id901301050
No I have not. Like I said ownership really likes Pop. I am sure if/when Pop decides to retire that they will have someone already in mind lined up. That’s just my opinion though.
I'm hoping Pop sticks around for another season or two, but when I read that there was "bad intel" from the Spurs in regards to Hammond when she was interviewing for other teams, I kind of got the feeling she was being protected for a possible promotion.
MultiTroll
08-08-2021, 11:28 PM
I don't think he wants the all time win record.
Based on?
MultiTroll
08-08-2021, 11:43 PM
No I have not. Like I said ownership really likes Pop. I am sure if/when Pop decides to retire that they will have someone already in mind lined up. That’s just my opinion though.
Is it safe to say you would hear if there were voices that thought of another way to go, such as not starting Bryn Forms and Patty together for large stretches?
Remember that video of Tim Dunc and Becky on the sideline seeming reacting and talking about the lineup card with a WTF conversation seeming to be had.
Or no, it's entirely possible there were/are voices questioning and you would not be privy to such?
While i have zero intentions of raining on anyone's Pop Oly parade, a. it's apples and oranges we're talking NBA here. b. holy cow France was within 3 albeit on defense with 10 seconds left. I'm sincerely glad the choke did not happen.
Ed Helicopter Jones
08-09-2021, 01:32 AM
Four more years Pop!
slick'81
08-09-2021, 01:41 AM
Get ready becky your time is now
EricB
08-09-2021, 11:02 AM
Is this a 180 from what you heard before? Or do you think he was always coming back? Seems like you have some inside info...
i hadn’t really asked the last few months and over time. Only time I’ve ever asked I was told the replacement plan had 3 coaches in mind
budenholzer
becky hammond
Jay Wright
i asked recently before the draft and was told “as far as we know he’s coming back”
my source hasn’t been wrong yet, things may change etc, but as of before the draft, he’s coming back.
also he’s the #1 driving force behind letting the youth free. He’s advocated for it since the bubble.
its no surprise he’s the guy who pop really really wanted at the olympics
i hadn’t really asked the last few months and over time. Only time I’ve ever asked I was told the replacement plan had 3 coaches in mind
budenholzer
becky hammond
Jay Wright
i asked recently before the draft and was told “as far as we know he’s coming back”
my source hasn’t been wrong yet, things may change etc, but as of before the draft, he’s coming back.
also he’s the #1 driving force behind letting the youth free. He’s advocated for it since the bubble.
its no surprise he’s the guy who pop really really wanted at the olympics
i'm all for hammond getting her shot, and part of me has been hoping that it's with the spurs but if jay wright is available, i think the spurs have to hire him.
Uriel
08-09-2021, 11:37 AM
What’s Brett Brown doing these days?
MultiTroll
08-09-2021, 01:16 PM
also he’s the #1 driving force behind letting the youth free. He’s advocated for it since the bubble.
:rollin
The hours given to Aldridge, Patty and Gay sure back that up. :rolleyes
The Bubble never happens if Bryn Bryn and LMA don't get injured.
Mugen
08-09-2021, 01:25 PM
Btw, EricB's "source" was the hot dog vendor in Section 305 :lol
MultiTroll
08-09-2021, 02:07 PM
My sources are telling me he might be back and he might not.
RC_Drunkford
08-09-2021, 03:43 PM
Btw, EricB's "source" was the hot dog vendor in Section 305 :lol
no it’s a random twitter account from a guy called James Greene who has 30 followers
Leetonidas
08-09-2021, 03:51 PM
Does anyone actually believe Pop is retiring at this point? Training camp is in like 6 weeks, there's no way he wouldn't have announced it by now if he was retiring
MultiTroll
08-09-2021, 04:31 PM
Does anyone actually believe Pop is retiring at this point? Training camp is in like 6 weeks, there's no way he wouldn't have announced it by now if he was retiring
Nope.
The pet Bryn signing was classic power trip move.
You sure showed us Pop.
spurraider21
08-09-2021, 05:43 PM
waiting for an update from tspence
MoSpur02
08-09-2021, 09:15 PM
waiting for an update from tspence
:lol
Tspence is/was legendary
EricB
08-10-2021, 04:35 PM
no it’s a random twitter account from a guy called James Greene who has 30 followers
its not but hey, you do you.
MultiTroll
08-10-2021, 06:14 PM
Btw, EricB's "source" was the hot dog vendor in Section 305 :lol
Do they cut the mustard?
Chomag
08-16-2021, 04:26 PM
I honestly don't see this happening now. Do y'all really think he would announce his retirement with only a few weeks before training camp?
MultiTroll
09-14-2021, 07:11 PM
Not coach the Spurs next season and will retire. I spoke with my source and there is a good amount of “we’re going to miss him” talk going around. Nothing official yet, but that is the feeling in the Spurs organization. I know a lot of people are speculating that he will retire after this past season especially after that one picture of him sitting alone so this might not be news, but thought I would share what I heard from my source.
Update Sept 14th with 3 weeks to go until Game 1.
He's got to be in.
BackHome
09-14-2021, 10:31 PM
Pop is going to coach this upcoming year and a very good chance he coaches one more year after that.
KobesAchilles
09-17-2021, 09:40 AM
Pop is going to coach this upcoming year and a very good chance he coaches one more year after that.
Considering 2 years is how long it will take him to break the record...
exstatic
09-17-2021, 10:07 AM
Considering 2 years is how long it will take him to break the record...
Nope. The #9 draft pick team, the Kings, won 31 games in a shortened 72 game season. Hard to see a team trying to win in an 82 game season not win 26 games.
offset formation
09-17-2021, 11:06 AM
34-48, gets it done.
The Truth #6
09-17-2021, 12:42 PM
Yeah, if he wants that record then probably keeping Young? Shit, who knows how he approaches this season?
MultiTroll
09-20-2021, 08:57 PM
i hadn’t really asked the last few months and over time.
Update?
Or at this time is no update needed? He's not going to drama queen a replacement at this late stage / getting his #1 priority signing of Bryn Forbes means it's a lock he is staying?
MultiTroll
09-20-2021, 08:58 PM
i want pop to coach until he dies and possibly afterward. the el cid strategy
Can we get a Ghost of Pop creation up and have him sending Bryn Forbes into the starting lineup?
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