What is the endgame for poor republiqans?

[Trill Clinton]

It seems like they're content with low paying jobs and being cucked by their own party.

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[spurraider21]

keep them distracted with nonsense like critical race theory and trans bathrooms

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/arF5Xe6H-IN4sz7DXZG5hCOB-3AHwMpFYUMVLMq5QfZ4gDxhumPGpBghpQ8rKN4dirZIA6pU-i2otJxPkp2XeVbc-wRrjLr1u9mhKXYdJ88-pmLArqbqTrN0BIjJO4sEhvTdMYGSYuQ

[FrostKing]

keep them distracted with nonsense like critical race theory and trans bathrooms

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/arF5Xe6H-IN4sz7DXZG5hCOB-3AHwMpFYUMVLMq5QfZ4gDxhumPGpBghpQ8rKN4dirZIA6pU-i2otJxPkp2XeVbc-wRrjLr1u9mhKXYdJ88-pmLArqbqTrN0BIjJO4sEhvTdMYGSYuQ
Money isn't everything in life. If you don't like the society around you, extra spending money won't satisfy you.

[Reck]

Money isn't everything in life

Tell that to the leeching republican voters. They’re the ones who love and beg for government handouts.

[Adam Lambert]

If you don't like the society around you, extra spending money won't satisfy you.

You've described the GOP's poor white outreach strategy to a T.

[Bogie]

Money isn't everything in life. If you don't like the society around you, extra spending money won't satisfy you.


was Poland closed again when you tried to flee?

when are you moving? You said it would be by summer.

Did you lie, yet again?

[Winehole23]

The endgame is refusing to certify the 2024 election if a Democrat wins.

[hater]

Most likely same endgame as poor democrats :lol

[Bogie]

Most likely same endgame as poor democrats :lol


trumptard

[ChumpDumper]

Republicans want to end US democracy.

Full stop.

[hater]

Republicans want to end US democracy.

Full stop.

#blueanon

Full stop. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

#blueanon

Full stop. :lolWhy make it harder to vote, hater?

Why move to make decertification of electors by state legislators possible, hater?

Why strip a secretary of state of power over elections, hater?

Explain.

[Reck]

#blueanon

Full stop. :lol

:lol Still trying to make that stick 2 months later.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Good. Eliminate the entitlement crap and let's reverse the trend of budget deficits. I used to be pissed off because it was "taxpayer dollars" when reality it's more printed-out dollars that add to the national debt and ultimately inflation.

It's time for the US in general to impose large-scale sequestration, raise corporate tax on high-earning corporations, raise interest rates to 90s levels, end tariffs to end this shortage-of-everything crap, and in general impose contractionary economic policy. America needs this DESPERATELY.

[FrostKing]

You've described the GOP's poor white outreach strategy to a T.
Both parties do it. As is life in multiculturalism and alternative life styles.

[hater]

:lol Still trying to make that stick 2 months later.

Stilm triggers you :lol

#blueanon alert

[Adam Lambert]

Both parties do it. As is life in multiculturalism and alternative life styles.

Sounds like you don't like the society around you.

I'm sorry.

[hater]

Why make it harder to vote, hater?

Why move to make decertification of electors by state legislators possible, hater?

Why strip a secretary of state of power over elections, hater?

Explain.

You said republicans. You said full stop :lol. Had you said some republicans legislators you might have had a semblance of a point

[ChumpDumper]

You said republicans. You said full stop :lol. Had you said some republicans legislators you might have had a semblance of a pointAll these are Republican policies.

I see no Republican opposition to them.

Full stop.

Now explain them.

[Adam Lambert]

You said republicans. You said full stop :lol. Had you said some republicans legislators you might have had a semblance of a point

#NotAllRepublicans :cry :cry :cry

[hater]

#NotAllRepublicans :cry :cry :cry

Better :tu

[Adam Lambert]

Better :tu

Bullshit.

Most Republicans support these policies and the ones who supposedly don't are silent enablers.

Name a single prominent republican in congress or the media who has spoken out on the GOP's voter suppression tactics.

[FrostKing]

Sounds like you don't like the society around you.

I'm sorry.
I'm okay with it here for now. It is comforting to know I have a place to go if I reach a point I've had enough. Which is why I am so anti-warmonger recognizing other people's homelands have been destroyed. But I'm also against forcing social change overseas.

[hater]

Bullshit.

Most Republicans support these policies and the ones who supposedly don't are silent enablers.

Name a single prominent republican in congress or the media who has spoken out on the GOP's voter suppression tactics.

So you guys went fr9m Republicans full stop. To most republicans :lol

Better :tu

[Adam Lambert]

So you guys went fr9m Republicans full stop. To most republicans :lol

Better :tu

Not sure why you're confused by this. Both statements are correct.

Do you think full stop means "all"?

[Adam Lambert]

Anyway I have no evidence that all Republicans don't support voter suppression, since I have yet to see a single one express any opposition.

[spurraider21]

Anyway I have no evidence that all Republicans don't support voter suppression, since I have yet to see a single one express any opposition.
yep. "even" liz cheney who has been a vocal opponent of the "stolen election" crap still supports the suppression laws.

they still want trumpism but while distancing themselves from trump

[ChumpDumper]

:lol hater really hates US democracy

[MultiTroll]

Heard a few Repugs talk about forming a 3rd party.

Most seem to want to continue their illicit fund flow so cow tow to tRumpler and his brainwashed followers.

[Winehole23]

:lol hater really hates US democracyseems hater hates Americans generically. he seems to respect certain asshole strongmen though.

[hater]

:lol hater really hates US democracy

Full stop :lmao


#blue:loln:loln

[hater]

#blue:(n:(n

[hater]

Anyway I have no evidence that all Republicans don't support voter suppression, since I have yet to see a single one express any opposition.

Theres no reason not to investigate :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Full stop :lmao


#blue:loln:lolnYou're having a lot of trouble explaining your Republican voter suppression schemes, hater.

Why?

[hater]

You're having a lot of trouble explaining your Republican voter suppression schemes, hater.

Why?

Nope I dont care about that or republicunts. Most politicians are snakes on both sides.

I just laugh at your blueanon theory and your full stop :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Nope I dont care about that or republicunts. Most politicians are snakes on both sides.

I just laugh at your blueanon theory and your full stop :lmao:lol hater folds

Full stop.

[FrostKing]

Anyway I have no evidence that all Republicans don't support voter suppression, since I have yet to see a single one express any opposition.
To be fair, limiting people to voting only once can be labeled "suppression".

[hater]

Full stop.

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

To be fair, limiting people to voting only once can be labeled "suppression".Who voted twice?

Be specific.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao:lol hater in full fold

[Winehole23]

swing and a miss

[CosmicCowboy]

Anyway I have no evidence that all Republicans don't support voter suppression, since I have yet to see a single one express any opposition.

Do you consider asking for an ID to vote to be "suppression"?

[ChumpDumper]

:lolThis straw man again.

[RandomGuy]

keep them distracted with nonsense like critical race theory and trans bathrooms

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/arF5Xe6H-IN4sz7DXZG5hCOB-3AHwMpFYUMVLMq5QfZ4gDxhumPGpBghpQ8rKN4dirZIA6pU-i2otJxPkp2XeVbc-wRrjLr1u9mhKXYdJ88-pmLArqbqTrN0BIjJO4sEhvTdMYGSYuQ

Eyup.

[RandomGuy]

Do you consider asking for an ID to vote to be "suppression"?

A poll tax is a poll tax, no matter how you phrase it.

Why is this such a hard concept for you? You are fairly bright, otherwise.

[Adam Lambert]

To be fair, limiting people to voting only once can be labeled "suppression".

No, it can't.

[ChumpDumper]

A poll tax is a poll tax, no matter how you phrase it.

Why is this such a hard concept for you? You are fairly bright, otherwise.Yep, make whatever government ID you want to require free and easily obtainable.

Now CC can address all his party's suppression schemes.

[RandomGuy]

Poll Taxes
Begun in the 1890s as a legal way to keep African Americans from voting in southern states, poll taxes were essentially a voting fee. Eligible voters were required to pay their poll tax before they could cast a ballot. A “grandfather clause” excused some poor whites from payment if they had an ancestor who voted before the Civil War, but there were no exemptions for African Americans.


[ID that costs money]
Begun in the 1900s as a legal way to keep African Americans from voting in southern states, [IDs that cost money] were essentially a voting fee. Eligible voters were required to pay [the fees required for the ID] before they could cast a ballot.

[RandomGuy]

To be fair, limiting people to voting only once can be labeled "suppression".

:lol

No.

"vote more than once" myth :rollin

[Adam Lambert]

Do you consider asking for an ID to vote to be "suppression"?

It's certainly on the lower end of the spectrum, but unless those ID's are provided for free and without transportation or any other requirement other than being eligible to vote, then yes.

We shouldn't be allowing the state to set requirements that they can control or restrict through access or cost.

But I'm more concerned with the reduction of polling places in demographically specific precincts, reduction of early voting, removal of eligible voters from registries, and the other plainly obvious voter suppression tactics currently happening under Republican legislatures.

[RandomGuy]

Yep, make whatever government ID you want to require free and easily obtainable.

Now CC can address all his party's suppression schemes.

The fascist party has decided democracy is inconvenient to them.

"hurr dee durr, voter fraud durr, we need voter IDs for this HUGE problem, durrrp."

:rolleyes

[RandomGuy]

To be fair, limiting people to voting only once can be labeled "suppression".

Con man: Voter fraud is a huge problem, you need to pass this law I wrote to prevent it.

Rubes like you: wow, we totally believe your sales pitch, we'll do it.

(court challenge to stupid law)

Con man: Well gee darn, you got sued. I happen to be a lawyer, here are my fees, since I am an expert on this law you can hire me to consult on your defense.

Rubles like you: Duh, I was too busy fingerpainting with my own waste to read the contract, sure, here is some money.

Con man: tee hee.

https://www.propublica.org/article/kris-kobach-voter-fraud-kansas-trial

[FrostKing]

Requiring some sort of documentation is not considered suppression in the 1st World.

[boutons_deux]

We shouldn't be allowing the state to set requirements that they can control or restrict through access or cost.


The Repugs yet again and forever "fuck the Constitution. We are White Male Supremacists heading towards fascism"

"Is voting protected by the Constitution?

Several constitutional amendments (the Fifteenth, Nineteenth, and Twenty-sixth specifically) require that voting rights of U.S. citizens cannot be abridged on account of race, color, previous condition of servitude, sex, or age (18 and older);

the constitution as originally written did not establish any such rights ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_rights_in_the_United_States




Another Constitution screw up was leaving voting rights enforcement and permission to the states.

Voter registration should be automatic at age 18, voting should be mandatory, and all voters able to choose voting by mail with the ballots automatically mailed to them. Ballots should have QR or similar coding tied to a national database to prevent duplicates.

NONE of this will pass because the Constitution allows the Senate Repugs, elected by a national minority, to block it all.

[RandomGuy]

Requiring some sort of documentation is not considered suppression in the 1st World.

What problem does it solve, geenyus?

[ChumpDumper]

Requiring some sort of documentation is not considered suppression in the 1st World.Great, we've already stated our position on ID.

Poll taxes are illegal.

What about everything else you refuse to even acknowledge?

[Adam Lambert]

Requiring some sort of documentation is not considered suppression in the 1st World.

We're not talking about "some sort of documentation." You have to be registered to vote. Your vote will not count if you are not registered. The system we have in place works. Countless GOP efforts have been made to prove it doesn't, and they've all failed.

You know what really doesn't happen in the 1st World? The majority of an opposition party refusing to certify a legitimate election. A mob of the losing candidates supporters descending on the nation's capitol, at his beckoning, over some outlandish stolen election conspiracy theory. That same candidate still being considered the leading choice for the next election and requiring hopefuls to kiss his ass in order to hold onto their seats. But here we are.

[koriwhat]

You know what really doesn't happen in the 1st World? The majority of an opposition party refusing to certify a legitimate election.

Are we talking about 2016? :lmao

Go suck some more establishment dick you stupid fuck!

[Spurs Homer]

OWNING THE LIBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hater]

Are we talking about 2016? :lmao

Go suck some more establishment dick you stupid fuck!

:lmao muh russia

These idiots cried that Pootin chose our president in 2016 :lmao

A poor bastard even posted as pavlov for 4 years :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

:lol moar straw men

:lol hater is triple folded

declares victory

[boutons_deux]

"Your vote will not count if you are not registered. "

In red/Confederate states, if you don't vote, your registration is purged, unknown to you, so you can't vote and have to discover that you aren't registered, and complete the voter-suppression obstacle course to re-register.

[hater]

:lol moar straw men

:lol hater is triple folded

declares victory

You believed Pootin chose our president for 4 years :lmao

Full stop :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

You believed Pootin chose our president for 4 years :lmao

Full stop :lmaoPost where I said that.

Or fold again, hater.

Do it.

[hater]

Post where I said that.

Or fold again, hater.

Do it.

:lmao you posted as pavlov for 4 years saying it

:lmao full stop

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao you posted as pavlov for 4 years saying it

:lmao full stopThen it will be easy for you to find an example.

Your claim.

Back it up.

Or fold again like so much derp.

[Winehole23]

this sounds about right: voting as a mere "recommendation" to gerrymandered state legislatures

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[Bogie]

Both parties do it. As is life in multiculturalism and alternative life styles.


if only you had another option you continue to say you have. I mean just because it was closed the day you got on a plane and flew over there from America, doesn’t mean it’s closed now. You racist piece of garbage

[Bogie]

The fascist party has decided democracy is inconvenient to them.

"hurr dee durr, voter fraud durr, we need voter IDs for this HUGE problem, durrrp."

:rolleyes


Cc is all about the Trump ideas, just hates being linked with the leader of the party he blindly supports.

that tends to be more of an old white guy whose been gifted life problem. But if he really didn’t want to associate with trump, he would have actually voted against him, and he certainly wouldn’t have continued to vote for the very people that enable him. He damn sure would not continue to spout rw talking points and defend the party he leads at all costs.

but one time he voted for a dem in a local race, so he really isn’t just another trumper.

[Winehole23]

GOP seeking ever new ways to nullify election results

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[Thread]

To crush you and then lamentate the women.

[Adam Lambert]

:lmao muh russia

These idiots cried that Pootin chose our president in 2016 :lmao

A poor bastard even posted as pavlov for 4 years :lmao

You know you're flailing when you decide to be hype-man for a koriwhat post. :lmao :lmao

There's no both sidesing this. 147 Republican congressmen voted to overturn the 2020 election. There is no comparable example of that degree on the Democratic side.

Sorry Trumptard.

[Adam Lambert]

:lmao you posted as pavlov for 4 years saying it

:lmao full stop

But at least you know what full stop means now.

[FrostKing]

if only you had another option you continue to say you have. I mean just because it was closed the day you got on a plane and flew over there from America, doesn’t mean it’s closed now. You racist piece of garbage
:lol angry lil man

[DarrinS]

Spurminaror triggered AF. :lmao

[Adam Lambert]

Spurminaror triggered AF. :lmao

You mean by hater? lol no

By the Republican Party's effort to overturn democracy? Yeah, you could say that makes me angry.

[DarrinS]

You mean by hater? lol no

By the Republican Party's effort to overturn democracy? Yeah, you could say that makes me angry.

Spare me the fake outrage

[DMC]

:lol "overturn democracy".. such hyperbole

Every 4 years someone is trying to take a shit on democracy. Hell just recently weren't you and many others here crying about the Electoral College? You want to change the process if it helps you win. It's always about winning. Do you really expect your opponent to have a different approach? Go ahead and claim that popular vote is true democracy since that will help you feel like you're maintaining some moral high ground. You know you want to.

[spurraider21]

:lol "overturn democracy".. such hyperbole

Every 4 years someone is trying to take a shit on democracy. Hell just recently weren't you and many others here crying about the Electoral College? You want to change the process if it helps you win. It's always about winning. Do you really expect your opponent to have a different approach? Go ahead and claim that popular vote is true democracy since that will help you feel like you're maintaining some moral high ground. You know you want to.
democracy doesnt require an electoral college. republicans were literally trying to overturn election results in various states after the fact. that's a direct assault on democracy.

but yeah if you wanted to get into what is "more" or "less" democratic i'd say the popular vote is preferable to the electoral college because only in the former does every american's vote count the same for federal elections. democrats trying to abolish the electoral college in favor of a national popular vote wouldnt be an assault on democracy, it would be an assault on the electoral college

[DMC]

:lol "overturn democracy".. such hyperbole

Every 4 years someone is trying to take a shit on democracy. Hell just recently weren't you and many others here crying about the Electoral College? You want to change the process if it helps you win. It's always about winning. Do you really expect your opponent to have a different approach? Go ahead and claim that popular vote is true democracy since that will help you feel like you're maintaining some moral high ground. You know you want to.


democracy doesnt require an electoral college. republicans were literally trying to overturn election results in various states after the fact. that's a direct assault on democracy.

but yeah if you wanted to get into what is "more" or "less" democratic i'd say the popular vote is preferable to the electoral college because only in the former does every american's vote count the same for federal elections

Thanks for being so predictable.

[spurraider21]

[/B]



Thanks for being so predictable.
pre-empting a valid point doesnt make it invalid

[DMC]

pre-empting a valid point doesnt make it invalid

If we don't have a true democracy, how can democracy be overturned?

Why do you accept the EC results when your candidate wins but cry foul when your candidate loses? Go ahead again and claim "not me" as you step in again to be the legal counsel.

[Th'Pusher]

If we don't have a true democracy, how can democracy be overturned?

Why do you accept the EC results when your candidate wins but cry foul when your candidate loses? Go ahead again and claim "not me" as you step in again to be the legal counsel.

I think you enjoy getting shit on...

Fucking ridiculous argument.

[DMC]

I think you enjoy getting shit on...

Fucking ridiculous argument.

How many times was the previous POTUS called an illegitimate president? How many people said he lost the election and that Putin put him into power?

Tell me about this democracy that existed suddenly on January 6th while this illegitimate POTUS was still in power. You can't, you'll blather on and on about mundane, predictable shit.

[DarrinS]

Yeah, four years of "muh Russia". Ignore these people.

[Th'Pusher]

How many times was the previous POTUS called an illegitimate president? How many people said he lost the election and that Putin put him into power?

Tell me about this democracy that existed suddenly on January 6th while this illegitimate POTUS was still in power. You can't, you'll blather on and on about mundane, predictable shit.

The rules of the game are the EC. People can dislike the rules all they want, but that doesn’t change the fact they’re the rules and they’re enshrined In the constitution. Still, striving to change the rules of the game for a more representative democracy doesn’t mean the existing system is not a “true democracy”.

You’re a ridiculous clown.

[Th'Pusher]

Yeah, four years of "muh Russia". Ignore these people.

Dmc is ridiculous. You’re just a fucking idiot.

[DarrinS]

Democracy lives on despite the hysteria.

[Millennial_Messiah]

democracy doesnt require an electoral college. republicans were literally trying to overturn election results in various states after the fact. that's a direct assault on democracy.

but yeah if you wanted to get into what is "more" or "less" democratic i'd say the popular vote is preferable to the electoral college because only in the former does every american's vote count the same for federal elections. democrats trying to abolish the electoral college in favor of a national popular vote wouldnt be an assault on democracy, it would be an assault on the electoral college
It wouldn't be an assault on "democracy" of the USA union per se but it would definitely be a huge blow to the 10th Amendment and state's rights/originalist federalism in general. If you're going to go full popular vote then you might as well abolish the 10th and declare the US as a Unitary country and the states just effectively territories like provincial districts in most countries in the world.

like for example, Brexit was a national popular vote, and the pro-Brexit peeps had to overcome all of Scotland, London and the other major cities and still won the popular vote

[DarrinS]

Dmc is ridiculous. You’re just a fucking idiot.

I'm wounded. :cry

[Th'Pusher]

I'm wounded. :cry

Your lack of self awareness prevents you from being wounded by anything I say.

[TimDunkem]

You’re lack of self awareness prevents you from being wounded by anything I say.
And lack of sobriety, tbh.

[DarrinS]

Your lack of self awareness prevents you from being wounded by anything I say.

I'm not a subscriber to Russiagate or Q, so what can you say that would bother me?

A: nada

[Th'Pusher]

I'm not a subscriber to Russiagate or Q, so what can you say that would bother me?

A: nada

You don’t have the ability to consider opinions that conflict with your worldview as legitimate. Your bias prevents you from seeing why Jan 6 was, and DJT is, a threat to our democracy even if they didn’t succeed. You’re just kind of a dumb, short, skinny, formerly “conservative” but mentally malleable based on current events drunk.

[TimDunkem]

You don’t have the ability to consider opinions that conflict with your worldview as legitimate. Your bias prevents you from seeing why Jan 6 was and DJT are a threat to our democracy even if they didn’t come to fruition. You’re just kind of a dumb, short, skinny, formerly “conservative” but mentally malleable based on current events drunk.
Darrin is the same guy who said we hit herd immunity in in April 2020. :lmao

[DMC]

The rules of the game are the EC. People can dislike the rules all they want, but that doesn’t change the fact they’re the rules and they’re enshrined In the constitution. Still, striving to change the rules of the game for a more representative democracy doesn’t mean the existing system is not a “true democracy”.

You’re a ridiculous clown.

As always your response has absolutely nothing to do with what you quoted.

[Th'Pusher]

As always your response has absolutely nothing to do with what you quoted.

:lol pussy. Explain why a the US doesn’t have a “true democracy” you fucking hyperbolic clown.

[DMC]

:lol pussy. Explain why a the US doesn’t have a “true democracy” you fucking hyperbolic clown.

How could it have a true democracy if Putin can put a person into the Oval Office?

[DMC]

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic Rep. John Lewis says he’s doesn’t consider Donald Trump a “legitimate president,” blaming the Russians for helping the Republican win the White House.

The Georgia congressman and leader in the civil rights movement of the 1960s said he will skip next week’s inauguration of Trump at the Capitol, joining several other Democrats who have decided to boycott the historic event.

“You know, I believe in forgiveness. I believe in trying to work with people. It will be hard. It’s going to be very difficult. I don’t see this president-elect as a legitimate president,” Lewis said in an interview with NBC’s “Meet the Press” that will air on Sunday.

[DMC]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/09/30/hillary-clinton-calls-trump-illegitimate-president-sot-ip-vpx.cnn

Hillary calls Trump an illegitimate president

[DMC]

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/america-is-not-a-democracy/550931/

The Atlantic

America is Not a Democracy (2018)

[Th'Pusher]

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic Rep. John Lewis says he’s doesn’t consider Donald Trump a “legitimate president,” blaming the Russians for helping the Republican win the White House.

The Georgia congressman and leader in the civil rights movement of the 1960s said he will skip next week’s inauguration of Trump at the Capitol, joining several other Democrats who have decided to boycott the historic event.

“You know, I believe in forgiveness. I believe in trying to work with people. It will be hard. It’s going to be very difficult. I don’t see this president-elect as a legitimate president,” Lewis said in an interview with NBC’s “Meet the Press” that will air on Sunday.

And how does that ridiculous, politically motivated and hyperbolic statement make the US not a “true democracy” as you put it DMC?

I read this as you are just as hyperbolic and politically motivated as John Lewis.

Great job you fucking clown.

[Th'Pusher]

How could it have a true democracy if Putin can put a person into the Oval Office?

Putin didn’t put a person in the Oval Office. The American people did via the EC.

[DarrinS]

Darrin is the same guy who said we hit herd immunity in in April 2020. :lmao

Nope. Prove it.

A: he can't

[TimDunkem]

Nope. Prove it.

A: he can't

Herd Immunity April 2020.

[Th'Pusher]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/09/30/hillary-clinton-calls-trump-illegitimate-president-sot-ip-vpx.cnn

Hillary calls Trump an illegitimate president

More political theatre. Completely irrelevant and not challenged legally as DJT did.

Stop bothsidesing this thing you fucking ridiculous moron.

[spurraider21]

If we don't have a true democracy, how can democracy be overturned?
not sure what you mean by true democracy. do you mean a direct democracy where everybody votes on everything? a republic of democratically elected officials is still democratic. if an election is held, and the losers are seeking to invalidate or overturn those results, then i would consider than an attack on the democratic system


Why do you accept the EC results when your candidate wins but cry foul when your candidate loses? Go ahead again and claim "not me" as you step in again to be the legal counsel.
i have always accepted the EC results as valid because that's the rule of law. i didnt call trump an illegitimate president just because he won the EC while losing the popular vote. i just think the system is stupid and we should try to improve it.

[DarrinS]

Herd Immunity April 2020.

Nope.

[Winehole23]

Putin didn’t put a person in the Oval Office. The American people did via the EC.Biden won the same way. Both won fair and square.

[Th'Pusher]

not sure what you mean by true democracy. do you mean a direct democracy where everybody votes on everything? a republic of democratically elected officials is still democratic. if an election is held, and the losers are seeking to invalidate or overturn those results, then i would consider than an attack on the democratic system


i have always accepted the EC results as valid because that's the rule of law. i didnt call trump an illegitimate president just because he won the EC while losing the popular vote. i just think the system is stupid and we should try to improve it.

Shit on. Multiple men, lining up to shit on dmc as he sits back and enjoys it. I indulge far less frequently than many on this site, but it is fun shitting on dmc. He’ll take any ridiculous position just to experience a virtual Cleveland steamer on his chest. A real fucking pervert imho.

[Th'Pusher]

Biden won the same way. Both won fair and square.

That’s right. Biden just happened to also win the popular vote

[DarrinS]

Putin didn’t put a person in the Oval Office. The American people did via the EC.

Putin never put a person in the Oval Office.

But, this kind of talk made half the country go insane.

[Winehole23]

Putin never put a person in the Oval Office.

But, this kind of talk made half the country go insane.Your side is doing it now, do you approve?

[Th'Pusher]

Putin never put a person in the Oval Office.

But, this kind of talk made half the country go insane.

Half the country is a bit of a stretch, but ok, what’s the solution to making the country accept reality and not “go insane”?

[DarrinS]

Your side is doing it now, do you approve?

There's no nightly news about whether Biden might be a a Russian puppet. Its refreshing.

[Th'Pusher]

There's no nightly news about whether Biden might be a a Russian puppet. Its refreshing.

See. You’re part of the problem. You don’t acknowledge the fact that half the country doesn’t believe Biden was legitimately elected. Do you believe Biden was legitimately elected?

[Winehole23]

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/america-is-not-a-democracy/550931/

The Atlantic

America is Not a Democracy (2018)iT's a RePrEsEnTaTivE rEpUbLiC, we know

There were 59 evidence-free election challenges. Trump then lobbied governors, election officials and state legislatures to overturn the popular vote. He also coaxed and tended the putsch on Jan. 6th.

State legislatures are now stripping power from election officials who didn't play ball with Trump or who are Democrats, passing laws designed to suppress voting in dozens of states while telling credulous GOP voters that the election was stolen from them; racial and partisan gerrymanders will happen later this year.

Leaving out the last (which the GOP pursues scientifically and has completely normalized) is the rest of this within the norms of our representative republic, in your opinion?

[DarrinS]

See. You’re part of the problem. You don’t acknowledge the fact that half the country doesn’t believe Biden was legitimately elected. Do you believe Biden was legitimately elected?

Bewildered and bemused basement Biden is immensely popular. Why would any question it?

[Winehole23]

Bewildered and bemused basement Biden is immensely popular. Why would any question it?You think he stole the election?

[Th'Pusher]

Bewildered and bemused basement Biden is immensely popular. Why would any question it?

Why are you being coy? Do you think DJT won the election?

[DarrinS]

You think he stole the election?

HE didn't do anything. He barely knows what's happening.

[Winehole23]

HE didn't do anything. He barely knows what's happening.Was it a legit election in your opinion?

Why or why not?

[Th'Pusher]

FFS. I don’t know why I bother. DarrinS is a fucking moron. He’s too fucking stupid to understand he believes in Q Propaganda. How the fuck we hire these idiots to code is beyond me. Completely absent of logic and reason.

[DarrinS]

Was it a legit election in your opinion?

Why or why not?

I don't think Russians had a big influence.

[Winehole23]

Darrin has always been allergic to simple questions about his point of view. I like to call this pattern "the cowardice of his convictions."

[Th'Pusher]

Dmc at least knew when to tuck his tail and run. This beer drunk fuck is going to die on the hill that DJT tells him to. Fucking pathetic.

[baseline bum]

Darrin has always been allergic to simple questions about his point of view. I like to call this pattern "the cowardice of his convictions."

Karrin is just as pointless to interact with as Derp.

[DarrinS]

FFS. I don’t know why I bother. DarrinS is a fucking moron. He’s too fucking stupid to understand he believes in Q Propaganda. How the fuck we hire these idiots to code is beyond me. Completely absent of logic and reason.

You can go fuck yourself.

And quote ONE single Q theory I believe in. Good luck.

[Th'Pusher]

You can go fuck yourself.

And quote ONE single Q theory I believe in. Good luck.

You believe that DJT won the 2020 election but you’re too much of a pussy to actually admit it.

Fucking pathetic.

[DarrinS]

Karrin is just as pointless to interact with as Derp.

Fuck you, too.

[DarrinS]

You believe that DJT won the 2020 election but you’re too much of a pussy to actually admit it.

Fucking pathetic.

See. You can't find one pro-Q post. Fuck off.

[Th'Pusher]

See. You can't find one pro-Q post. Fuck off.

Tell me Biden won the 2020 election fair and square.

[DarrinS]

Tell me Biden won the 2020 election fair and square.

Biden is POTUS.

[Th'Pusher]

Biden is POTUS.

Not what I asked pussy. Admit he won the election fair and square.

[Winehole23]

Karrin is just as pointless to interact with as Derp.I don't get why some people are so afraid to speak their minds on an anonymous board, tbh.

[DarrinS]

Not what I asked pussy. Admit he won the election fair and square.


According to the data, he won fair and square. You okay?

[DarrinS]

We'll get through this, but Biden is barely coherent.

[Winehole23]

According to the data, he won fair and square. You okay?Do you think the election was dicked with, or that Trump got cheated somehow? According to you, I'm not asking about the popular vote totals, but the actual election.

Do you think the 2020 election was free and fair and above board?

[Th'Pusher]

According to the data, he won fair and square. You okay?

The data? As In The election results? Again, why cant you just express a fucking opinion?

Oh, I know why. Because your opinion would be in line with what Q told you.

Fucking codemonkey :lol

[baseline bum]

The data? As In The election results? Again, why cant you just express a fucking opinion?

Oh, I know why. Because your opinion would be in line with what Q told you.

Fucking codemonkey :lol

Because he Derps when you ask him a question

[DarrinS]

The data? As In The election results? Again, why cant you just express a fucking opinion?

Oh, I know why. Because your opinion would be in line with what Q told you.

Fucking codemonkey :lol

Yes, the election results. That's the data.

Again, point to my so-called Q support.

Good luck.

[DarrinS]

Because he Derps when you ask him a question

Ask me a question.

[Winehole23]

Ask me a question.

Do you think the election was dicked with, or that Trump got cheated somehow? According to you, I'm not asking about the popular vote totals, but the actual election.

Do you think the 2020 election was free and fair?

[Th'Pusher]

Yes, the election results. That's the data.

Again, point to my so-called Q support.

Good luck.

Your q support is all over this thread you fucking idiot. You’ve done everything you can do to call Biden an illegitimate president which is exactly Q’s message. And you spread it like a moron because you don’t like liberals. You’re a simpleton to the core.

[DarrinS]

Do you think the election was dicked with, or that Trump got cheated somehow? According to you, I'm not asking about the popular vote totals, but the actual election.

Do you think the 2020 election was free and fair?

Yes


We good now?

[DarrinS]

Your q support is all over this thread you fucking idiot. You’ve done everything you can do to call Biden an illegitimate president which is exactly Q’s message. And you spread it like a moron because you don’t like liberals. You’re a simpleton to the core.

Nope. GFY

[Th'Pusher]

Nope. GFY

So weak. So spineless. So addicted. I feel sorry for you and for your poor family.

[Winehole23]

Yes


We good now?jeez, that was hard enough

[Th'Pusher]

jeez, that was hard enough

Because it was forced. His online cred was at stake :lol

[DarrinS]

We've all seen Joe attempt speaking. Criticism of his ability is not questioning the results of the election.

[Winehole23]

Your q support is all over this thread you fucking idiot. You’ve done everything you can do to call Biden an illegitimate president which is exactly Q’s message. And you spread it like a moron because you don’t like liberals. You’re a simpleton to the core.Fwiw, I've seen little support for Q-related stuff from Darrin. IMHO he needn't be an adherent to have doubts about the election (which he did express in the wake of Biden's win, but seems to be distancing himself from now) or to carry grudges about the Mueller investigation and two impeachments, which he likewise does.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes, the election results. That's the data.

Again, point to my so-called Q support.

Good luck.

Qtards think that the data has been manipulated and that Trump really won the election.

Nice to see you still play the weasel.

[DarrinS]

Anyone want to post a pro-Qanon theory I've EVER posted?

Good luck.

[Bogie]

:lol angry lil man


yes you really are a frightened little man who hates everything you’re scared of

when are you leaving for Poland? You said you were

[ChumpDumper]

Darrin did believe the 2020 election was stolen early on.

I'll find the post if he demands it.

And he didn't believe we achieved herd immunity in April 2020.

It was June.


The way the NYC curve looks, it appears that covid just burned through that city. Sure, they locked down, only to have vast majorities infected indoors. Putting covid patients in nursing homes surely didn't help. This thing only burns out when it runs out of fuel, just like a brush fire.

We have spikes in the southern states now, because we locked down early and opened early. Even our current "spikes" are a mere blip compared to what happened in the northeast.

He will never admit how wrong he was.

[DMC]

A lot of hand-wringing over the fact that the leaders of the Democratic Party said the entire process was compromised by Russia. Obviously we don't have a democracy if Putin can put a president in office. I don't care if you believe it or not. You support the party. It can't only be a democracy when you want to use that as a talking point.

[DMC]

Religion is the real Q

[ChumpDumper]

h:lolnest br:lolker

[hater]

You know you're flailing when you decide to be hype-man for a koriwhat post. :lmao :lmao

There's no both sidesing this. 147 Republican congressmen voted to overturn the 2020 election. There is no comparable example of that degree on the Democratic side.

Sorry Trumptard.

Of course theres no comparison

Democrats spent millions on a hoax and 4 years of muh russia fairy tales :lol

Nothing compares to that level.of stupidity

[RandomGuy]

Cc is all about the Trump ideas, just hates being linked with the leader of the party he blindly supports.

that tends to be more of an old white guy whose been gifted life problem. But if he really didn’t want to associate with trump, he would have actually voted against him, and he certainly wouldn’t have continued to vote for the very people that enable him. He damn sure would not continue to spout rw talking points and defend the party he leads at all costs.

but one time he voted for a dem in a local race, so he really isn’t just another trumper.

That is about my assessment.

Smart enough to know better, just doesn't have the critical thinking skills to find his way out of the fetid swamp.

He stands in the prison of ignorance, holding the key in his hand, but it is invisible to him.

[RandomGuy]

Darrin did believe the 2020 election was stolen early on.

I'll find the post if he demands it.

And he didn't believe we achieved herd immunity in April 2020.

It was June.



He will never admit how wrong he was.

Darrin on the other hand, is just a more easily manipulated idiot.

[Winehole23]

Religion is the real Q"Sky God"

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[Winehole23]

A lot of hand-wringing over the fact that the leaders of the Democratic Party said the entire process was compromised by Russia. Obviously we don't have a democracy if Putin can put a president in office. I don't care if you believe it or not. You support the party. It can't only be a democracy when you want to use that as a talking point."The Left"

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[RandomGuy]

A lot of hand-wringing over the fact that the leaders of the Democratic Party said the entire process was compromised by Russia. Obviously we don't have a democracy if Putin can put a president in office. I don't care if you believe it or not. You support the party. It can't only be a democracy when you want to use that as a talking point.

Putin has made it plain that western style liberal democracy is, to him, an existential threat.

He acts on that, the way one might expect from a former KGB colonel.

This is plain, and these efforts have been rather transparent, and corroborated by allied intelligence.

Do you not think that if Putin decided that one party or another was more in his interest, he would act on that?

Seems like a shocking degree of niavitee to think otherwise, tbh.

if you want to counter, please get off your lazy ass and provide a quote from Trump with the strongest criticism, public or otherwise, of Vladimir Putin.

[hater]

Putin has made it plain that western style liberal democracy is, to him, an existential threat.

He acts on that, the way one might expect from a former KGB colonel.

This is plain, and these efforts have been rather transparent, and corroborated by allied intelligence.

Do you not think that if Putin decided that one party or another was more in his interest, he would act on that?

Seems like a shocking degree of niavitee to think otherwise, tbh.

if you want to counter, please get off your lazy ass and provide a quote from Trump with the strongest criticism, public or otherwise, of Vladimir Putin.

"Corroborated by allied intelligence" :lmao

Exhibit A of #blueanon

[Bogie]

"Corroborated by allied intelligence" :lmao

Exhibit A of #blueanon

derphater, if you love America so much why do you never say anything positive? And why do you always defend Putin and Assad and of trump?

why would someone that claims to love this country openly support all of the the people and ideals that wish to destroy it?

why are you emulating derp?

[DMC]

"Sky God"

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You're reaching a lot these days.

[DMC]

derphater, if you love America so much why do you never say anything positive? And why do you always defend Putin and Assad and of trump?

why would someone that claims to love this country openly support all of the the people and ideals that wish to destroy it?

why are you emulating derp?

Why did you create an alt when you were perma-banned, your entire history of posting deleted, and return here using the exact same toxic shtick that got you banned in the 1st place?
Why did you lie about it?

[DMC]

Putin has made it plain that western style liberal democracy is, to him, an existential threat.

He acts on that, the way one might expect from a former KGB colonel.

This is plain, and these efforts have been rather transparent, and corroborated by allied intelligence.

Do you not think that if Putin decided that one party or another was more in his interest, he would act on that?

Seems like a shocking degree of niavitee to think otherwise, tbh.

if you want to counter, please get off your lazy ass and provide a quote from Trump with the strongest criticism, public or otherwise, of Vladimir Putin.

If Putin put a person in the WH despite our "democracy" then we don't really have a democracy since the vote didn't decide shit.

Funny how patriotic some of you become when your team colors are flying.

[hater]

derphater, if you love America so much why do you never say anything positive? And why do you always defend Putin and Assad and of trump?

why would someone that claims to love this country openly support all of the the people and ideals that wish to destroy it?

why are you emulating derp?

I dont think Assad or Putin want to destroy america :lmao

Thats an old wives tale. :lol

Its impossible because they are to busy holding up their own house of cards. How in the world would they do amything that could destroy america :lmao

Stop believing in the Eastern Bunny and wake up. Assad can barely wipe his own ass, hows he gonnna destroy america :lmao

And putin, his country is a miserable economy. Sure they have n7kes and weapons to hurt us but not without commiting suicide so that wont happen.

Biggest risk to america is the american corporations, warmongers and all around globalist/neocon freaks. In other words ourselves. Thats why I do what I do.

Wake da fuck up. The real enemy is the greedy dirty MIC/corporate billionaire american scoundrels

[Bogie]

Why did you create an alt when you were perma-banned, your entire history of posting deleted, and return here using the exact same toxic shtick that got you banned in the 1st place?
Why did you lie about it?


A few days ago you said people were obsessed with you, because somehow you matter on this site.

yet you follow me everywhere to the point that you tried to find me off line. I don’t engage you and your false trumptard talking point answers. Yet, you follow me everywhere.

You are the king of weakness and projection. Your self perceived rep here is really all you have in your life. When you die not one person will miss you.

[Bogie]

I dont think Assad or Putin want to destroy america :lmao

Thats an old wives tale. :lol

Its impossible because they are to busy holding up their own house of cards. How in the world would they do amything that could destroy america :lmao

Stop believing in the Eastern Bunny and wake up. Assad can barely wipe his own ass, hows he gonnna destroy america :lmao

And putin, his country is a miserable economy. Sure they have n7kes and weapons to hurt us but not without commiting suicide so that wont happen.

Biggest risk to america is the american corporations, warmongers and all around globalist/neocon freaks. In other words ourselves. Thats why I do what I do.

Wake da fuck up. The real enemy is the greedy dirty MIC/corporate billionaire american scoundrels

so if those are the true enemies, why do you support certain people that enable them, yet not others?

Edit: sorry had to handle something with the kids, but to continue on that question, Trump wanted the military to take over and place him in power. If the mic is the enemy, why would you support trump as strongly as you do?

[DMC]

A few days ago you said people were obsessed with you, because somehow you matter on this site.

yet you follow me everywhere to the point that you tried to find me off line. I don’t engage you and your false trumptard talking point answers. Yet, you follow me everywhere.

You are the king of weakness and projection. Your self perceived rep here is really all you have in your life. When you die not one person will miss you.
Interesting.

Why did you create an alt when you were perma-banned, your entire history of posting deleted, and return here using the exact same toxic shtick that got you banned in the 1st place?
Why did you lie about it?

[Bogie]

Interesting.

Why did you create an alt when you were perma-banned, your entire history of posting deleted, and return here using the exact same toxic shtick that got you banned in the 1st place?
Why did you lie about it?

there really isn’t anything interesting about it. You are the one that chooses to follow me around. I don’t engage you ever. Just because other people embarrass you by exposing how fragile your ego is, should not mean that you need to lash out. But you do, because not only are you intellectually weak, you’re also self aware enough to know how truly limited you are, and you really hate that others see that about you.

telling you you’re a weak and frightened old man isn’t toxic, it’s what everyone on your personal enemies list tells you all the time.

now, keep lashing out old man.

Edit: the idea of someone who constantly seeks confrontation and is small enough to try to dox someone away from a website, calling another living soul “toxic” is really the height of projection. And really goes to prove that every single thing I have said about you is true

[hater]

so if those are the true enemies, why do you support certain people that enable them, yet not others?

Edit: sorry had to handle something with the kids, but to continue on that question, Trump wanted the military to take over and place him in power. If the mic is the enemy, why would you support trump as strongly as you do?

Lol I never supported Dump. Never even voted for him. I did prefer him over shillary and still do.

[Bogie]

Lol I never supported Dump. Never even voted for him. I did prefer him over shillary and still do.


come on, no one believes that. I don’t know why you would keep running that nonsensical schtick

And Hillary is no longer any sort of relevant figure to anyone other than the standard mouth breathing Trumptard

it’s a terrible false equivalence argument, you should feel bad for making it.

but if corporations and the mic are the real problems, why would you continue to support politicians beholden to them?

[hater]

come on, no one believes that. I don’t know why you would keep running that nonsensical schtick

And Hillary is no longer any sort of relevant figure to anyone other than the standard mouth breathing Trumptard

it’s a terrible false equivalence argument, you should feel bad for making it.

but if corporations and the mic are the real problems, why would you continue to support politicians beholden to them?

Lol I never supported politicians with few exceptions: dear dr ron paul, tulsi gabbard. And I did support bernie for a while.


But keep up your fantasies

[Ef-man]

Lol I never supported politicians with few exceptions: dear dr ron paul, tulsi gabbard. And I did support bernie for a while.


But keep up your fantasies


Noone knows for sure, Cindy

[spurraider21]

A lot of hand-wringing over the fact that the leaders of the Democratic Party said the entire process was compromised by Russia. Obviously we don't have a democracy if Putin can put a president in office. I don't care if you believe it or not. You support the party. It can't only be a democracy when you want to use that as a talking point.
how many of them tried to overturn election results, have states decertify their results, actually objected to the confirmation of the electoral college, and immediately sought to change voting laws right after that election?

this is a false equivalency

and the "i dont care if you believe it or not" is laughable

[Winehole23]

"What your (presumed) party leaders said in the past binds you now whether you agreed with them or not."

[koriwhat]

:lmao muh russia

These idiots cried that Pootin chose our president in 2016 :lmao

A poor bastard even posted as pavlov for 4 years :lmao

Not only did they cry but they also refused to certify the legitimate election of 2016. Shhh don't tell the commies of this actual history.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol kori doesn't even get basic facts right.

[Chucho]

Why did you create an alt when you were perma-banned, your entire history of posting deleted, and return here using the exact same toxic shtick that got you banned in the 1st place?
Why did you lie about it?

because he's more like derp than he knows, but not as smart and twice as angry.

[DMC]

because he's more like derp than he knows, but not as smart and twice as angry.

Seems like he has a shitty life and blames anyone successful for it. You can tell he has a shitty life because he thinks it's lofty aspirations to fly on a plane to another city or own a home.

[DMC]

how many of them tried to overturn election results, have states decertify their results, actually objected to the confirmation of the electoral college, and immediately sought to change voting laws right after that election?

this is a false equivalency

and the "i dont care if you believe it or not" is laughable

How did they try to do that, at gunpoint with the military behind them? I recall in 2000 a lot of trying to overturn shit was going on. In 2016 it was all about Russia interfering. Hell, a sitting POTUS launched an investigation into the primary candidate of the opposition. Democracy my ass.

[DMC]

"What your (presumed) party leaders said in the past binds you now whether you agreed with them or not."

Why not? You call anyone who disagrees with you a Trumptard.

[ChumpDumper]

moar honest brokering

[RandomGuy]

Do you not think that if Putin decided that one party or another was more in his interest, he would act on that?

if you want to counter, please get off your lazy ass and provide a quote from Trump with the strongest criticism, public or otherwise, of Vladimir Putin.



[sidesteps question, repeats strawman, is again too lazy/dishonest to try finding anything critical that Trump said about Putin]

The last two elections have been razor thin electoral college wins. the question remains.

Or do you want to keep repeating your strawman?

[RandomGuy]

Why not? You call anyone who disagrees with you a Trumptard.

Say something meaningfully critical of Donald Trump.

or keep the label.

[Winehole23]

Why not? You call anyone who disagrees with you a Trumptard.I haven't called anyone a Trumptard.

[Winehole23]

DMC flailing and making shit up :lol

[spurraider21]

How did they try to do that, at gunpoint with the military behind them?
no. first by trying to get it done through an unprecedented number of post-election lawsuits nationwide, by having the president call governors and secretaries of state asking them to find votes for him, by trying to force Pence to unilaterally (and unconstitutionally) disregard the electoral votes (see gohmert lawsuit), and then by attempting to block certification of the electoral college on january 6 (both through congress and violent mob)


I recall in 2000 a lot of trying to overturn shit was going on.
like what? gore wanted hand recount in florida. the court stepped in and stopped it. there were no follow up suits, gore conceded immediately following the SCOTUS ruling, and there were no formal objections to the certification.

what is this "trying to overturn shit" that you claim was going on?


In 2016 it was all about Russia interfering.
again. clinton conceded the day after the election. there were no formal objections during the certification process. people saying there was russian interference is not the same as trying to overturn the election.

were there random celebrities trying to convince the electors to vote against trump? sure. but no real effort by anybody with the power to do so


Hell, a sitting POTUS launched an investigation into the primary candidate of the opposition. Democracy my ass.
first, that's not what democracy means

second, the investigation wasn't even known to the public until after the election, so it had no impact on votes

third, please provide a citation that the president launched that investigation

[Bogie]

because he's more like derp than he knows, but not as smart and twice as angry.

what an ironic post.

Why do you still support Trump, and the people that enable him?

[Adam Lambert]

Spare me the fake outrage

Dude can't decide if I'm "triggered" or faking it.

You need to synch up your insults.

[Bogie]

Lol I never supported politicians with few exceptions: dear dr ron paul, tulsi gabbard. And I did support bernie for a while.


But keep up your fantasies

So since Putin can’t do anything to damage america, why were all of those Republican senators in Moscow? Why did the nra funnel millions of Russian dollars into propaganda?

[Adam Lambert]

A lot of hand-wringing over the fact that the leaders of the Democratic Party said the entire process was compromised by Russia. Obviously we don't have a democracy if Putin can put a president in office. I don't care if you believe it or not. You support the party. It can't only be a democracy when you want to use that as a talking point.

147 Democrats in congress did not vote to overturn Trump's election.

There is no comparison, despite your desperation to find one.

[Adam Lambert]

Conservatives will go to great lengths to distract from the fact that their political party is overrun with derps and ducks types now.

If they made any effort to squash the radical nutjobs in their party, they might find themselves with a moderate Republican Party that normal people can vote for. Instead, they elevate the crazies and require fealty to a guy who was such a godawful president that he lost reelection to a corpse.

[Thread]

Conservatives will go to great lengths to distract from the fact that their political party is overrun with derps and ducks types now.

If they made any effort to squash the radical nutjobs in their party, they might find themselves with a moderate Republican Party that normal people can vote for. Instead, they elevate the crazies and require fealty to a guy who was such a godawful president that he lost reelection to a corpse.

Oh, hi fart face.

[Winehole23]

Why not? You call anyone who disagrees with you a Trumptard.One example will suffice, but you won't find one -- I don't use the T-word.

"You're an idiot" is more of a DMC bingo square, tbh.

[Adam Lambert]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

1397951169406849025

[DMC]

That worked out so well last time. None of the firearms have magazines, a couple are ROTM, maybe even props.

[DMC]

147 Democrats in congress did not vote to overturn Trump's election.

There is no comparison, despite your desperation to find one.

If they did it would be part of the democratic process our forefathers put into place.

[Winehole23]

DMC: did you ever find any receipts for your claim I call everyone who disagrees with me a Trumptard?

Did you even find one? :lol

[ChumpDumper]

DMC going full candy and nuts

[DMC]

no. first by trying to get it done through an unprecedented number of post-election lawsuits nationwide, by having the president call governors and secretaries of state asking them to find votes for him, by trying to force Pence to unilaterally (and unconstitutionally) disregard the electoral votes (see gohmert lawsuit), and then by attempting to block certification of the electoral college on january 6 (both through congress and violent mob)

How much of it was legal?


like what? gore wanted hand recount in florida. the court stepped in and stopped it. there were no follow up suits, gore conceded immediately following the SCOTUS ruling, and there were no formal objections to the certification.

:lol "the court stepped in". That's a bit misleading.. It went to the supreme court. Gore's team kept fighting the results. I don't blame them, there's provisions in the election law to allow it and the courts are there to interpret those laws. It's part of the election process, but it's not really about democracy. It's about who has their people placed in the courts. This is why "pack the court" means anything. Judges are not robots.



what is this "trying to overturn shit" that you claim was going on?

They were trying to overturn the ruling of the canvassing board, then to overturn the ruling of the lower courts. All these rulings were about the results of the election. You can instead say "nuh uh it was about the counts" but it's the same thing.


again. clinton conceded the day after the election. there were no formal objections during the certification process. people saying there was russian interference is not the same as trying to overturn the election.

Clinton wasn't the POTUS. (Trump president, not Clinton, etc..)
Clinton pushed the idea that a duly elected POTUS wasn't duly elected. Others in her party did the same. They called into question the integrity of the democratic process, and in doing so (because they lost), have illustrated that democracy only seems to exist after you've won, as obviously it suddenly began to exist after the 2020 election so that it could be attacked on January 6th. Quite the anomaly.


were there random celebrities trying to convince the electors to vote against trump? sure. but no real effort by anybody with the power to do so

No one said anything about celebrities. Lewis was a rep, not a celebrity. Clinton was the dem candidate, not a celebrity. Even Biden said Trump was not a legitimate POTUS. Just face it, when a side loses (and someone always does) the other side claims the process is rigged. It happens in team sports more and more, and it happens in politics. Rigged systems are not democratic. If they aren't rigged, then no one believes the system is democratic so you have to wonder why suddenly they believe a non-existing democracy was attacked.



first, that's not what democracy means

second, the investigation wasn't even known to the public until after the election, so it had no impact on votes

third, please provide a citation that the president launched that investigation
Never said it affected votes.

What's True
Under the Obama administration, the FBI launched an investigation into the Trump campaign's relationship with Russian operatives — a covert operation at the time that required the bureau to request court approval to secretly monitor Carter Page, a former adviser to Trump. -Snopes


Oh now still shitting yellow is going to tell me what his professor said democracy means.

[DMC]

DMC flailing and making shit up :lol

"DMC thinks"

[Winehole23]

"DMC thinks"still waiting for receipts. got any?

[Winehole23]

in b4

"I don't do fetch missions"

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[DMC]

One example will suffice, but you won't find one -- I don't use the T-word.

"You're an idiot" is more of a DMC bingo square, tbh.
Shitskin tards resentful of the natural superiority of white people; of course.


wheels falling off derp's idiot wagon


Skepticism is good, but solipsism is a danger.

The person who depends exclusively on his own mind to judge the world is ipso facto an idiot.


"Don't be fooled by the fact that he walks like an idiot, talks like an idiot and acts like an idiot, he really is one."

[DMC]

in b4

"I don't do fetch missions"

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You need to put trademark logo on some of those, those are mine. Get your own. Some are Dale's. Stop stealing his shit. Get your own shit. I got my own shit. Stop stealing it.

[Winehole23]

so, I called derp an idiot. guilty as charged.

and I did use the word tard, not at Nathan89, but restating something he said that included the word tard.

[DMC]

so, I called derp an idiot. guilty as charged.

and I did use the word tard, not at Nathan89, but restating something he said that included the word tard.

Let us proceed

[Winehole23]

Ergo, DMC's claim that I call "everyone who disagrees (with me) a Trumptard" is not only way off base, it's completely mistaken. There's not a single example of me doing so. :lol

[Winehole23]

You need to put trademark logo on some of those, those are mine. Get your own. Some are Dale's. Stop stealing his shit. Get your own shit. I got my own shit. Stop stealing it.I'm gonna keep making fun of your highly cliched mannerisms.

Enjoy!

[spurraider21]

How much of it was legal?
none of it. thats why all the lawsuits failed. was trump asking secretaries of states/governors to find him votes legal? right now thats the subject of a criminal investigation. was the jan 6 insurrection legal? no.


:lol "the court stepped in". That's a bit misleading.. It went to the supreme court. Gore's team kept fighting the results. I don't blame them, there's provisions in the election law to allow it and the courts are there to interpret those laws. It's part of the election process, but it's not really about democracy. It's about who has their people placed in the courts. This is why "pack the court" means anything. Judges are not robots.
the 2000 election is an incredibly complicated story. under florida law, after the statewide machine recount, because the margin was so thin (less than 600 votes for the state), gore was entitled to have manual (hand) recounts on a county by county basis, which he requested from 4 counties. bush sued to stop those recounts in federal court and lost. when it was clear that some of the counties were not going to finish their recounts by the deadline, that went to court and ultimately the florida supreme court ruled that the recounts could continue. after a separate dispute, the florida supreme court made another ruling, this time that the recount results must be made part of the official state results. this is what bush appealed to the supreme court

in the meantime, the florida secretary of state (who was co-chair of bush's florida campaign) certified the election results even though 2 of the county recounts were incomplete. gore then issued a formal election challenge on those grounds.

florida' secretary of state then certified bush as the winner before the recounts were concluded and therefore did not incorporate the results from some of the recounts into the election results. gore therefore sought a formal election contest and the florida supreme court ruled that the recounted results must be factored into florida's official count. the florida supreme court ultimately ruled that using only 4 hand recounted counties was inappropriate, and ordered a statewide hand recount for all "undervote" ballots.

the US supreme court then made 2 rulings. one was a 7-2 ruling that the 4 county-wide recounts were unconstitutional because there was no uniform standard of review for ballots between counties. the second was a 5-4 ruling... which ruled that there was no time to set up a state-wide standard and that therefore the recounts must stop.

this is not remotely similar to trump/biden. trump got literally every recount he was entitled to, including full hand recount of georgia, and partial hand recount in wisconsin. bush/gore wasn't about vague allegations of fraud meant to invalidate vote counts, but was an attempt to secure a recount of results


They were trying to overturn the ruling of the canvassing board, then to overturn the ruling of the lower courts. All these rulings were about the results of the election. You can instead say "nuh uh it was about the counts" but it's the same thing.
if you are going to claim that a request for a recount is the same as what was sought in 2020 then you are out of your mind. in 2020 trump got all kinds of audits/recounts in various states and counties. bush/gore was literally about trying to recount 4 counties in one state.


Clinton wasn't the POTUS. (Trump president, not Clinton, etc..)
never claimed otherwise. weird flex


Clinton pushed the idea that a duly elected POTUS wasn't duly elected. Others in her party did the same. They called into question the integrity of the democratic process, and in doing so (because they lost), have illustrated that democracy only seems to exist after you've won, as obviously it suddenly began to exist after the 2020 election so that it could be attacked on January 6th. Quite the anomaly.
clinton conceded the day after the election and never issued any form of election contest or legal action attempting to overturn anything


No one said anything about celebrities. Lewis was a rep, not a celebrity. Clinton was the dem candidate, not a celebrity. Even Biden said Trump was not a legitimate POTUS. Just face it, when a side loses (and someone always does) the other side claims the process is rigged. It happens in team sports more and more, and it happens in politics. Rigged systems are not democratic. If they aren't rigged, then no one believes the system is democratic so you have to wonder why suddenly they believe a non-existing democracy was attacked.
lip service is very different from actually objecting to or challenging the results.


Never said it affected votes.
then how was the investigation an attack on democracy?


What's True
Under the Obama administration, the FBI launched an investigation into the Trump campaign's relationship with Russian operatives — a covert operation at the time that required the bureau to request court approval to secretly monitor Carter Page, a former adviser to Trump. -Snopes
this does not say that obama, the president, launched any investigation


Oh now still shitting yellow is going to tell me what his professor said democracy means.
dont need a professor. we can appeal to dictionaries.

you said the fact there was an investigation launched into a candidate and followed it with "democracy my ass"

please, tell me how the existence of an investigation contradicts the notion that this is a democracy?

[DMC]

none of it. thats why all the lawsuits failed. was trump asking secretaries of states/governors to find him votes legal? right now thats the subject of a criminal investigation. was the jan 6 insurrection legal? no.


So they failed, democracy and the legal system working as expected. Nothing was compromised. Trespassing is never legal but the system was able to absorb it.


the 2000 election is an incredibly complicated story. under florida law, after the statewide machine recount, because the margin was so thin (less than 600 votes for the state), gore was entitled to have manual (hand) recounts on a county by county basis, which he requested from 4 counties. bush sued to stop those recounts in federal court and lost. when it was clear that some of the counties were not going to finish their recounts by the deadline, that went to court and ultimately the florida supreme court ruled that the recounts could continue. after a separate dispute, the florida supreme court made another ruling, this time that the recount results must be made part of the official state results. this is what bush appealed to the supreme court
I know. Several courts were involved in the process, and each side was trying to do anything in their legal power to win. Democracy was in the hands of the courts.


in the meantime, the florida secretary of state (who was co-chair of bush's florida campaign) certified the election results even though 2 of the county recounts were incomplete. gore then issued a formal election challenge on those grounds.

I know the story.


florida' secretary of state then certified bush as the winner before the recounts were concluded and therefore did not incorporate the results from some of the recounts into the election results. gore therefore sought a formal election contest and the florida supreme court ruled that the recounted results must be factored into florida's official count. the florida supreme court ultimately ruled that using only 4 hand recounted counties was inappropriate, and ordered a statewide hand recount for all "undervote" ballots.

the US supreme court then made 2 rulings. one was a 7-2 ruling that the 4 county-wide recounts were unconstitutional because there was no uniform standard of review for ballots between counties. the second was a 5-4 ruling... which ruled that there was no time to set up a state-wide standard and that therefore the recounts must stop.

this is not remotely similar to trump/biden. trump got literally every recount he was entitled to, including full hand recount of georgia, and partial hand recount in wisconsin. bush/gore wasn't about vague allegations of fraud meant to invalidate vote counts, but was an attempt to secure a recount of results

Sounds like they all got every recount they were "entitled to", per the supreme court.


if you are going to claim that a request for a recount is the same as what was sought in 2020 then you are out of your mind. in 2020 trump got all kinds of audits/recounts in various states and counties. bush/gore was literally about trying to recount 4 counties in one state.

Not the same but another indication that democracy only goes as far as you can push it through the judicial process. It doesn't matter what the people vote for, it only matters what you can certify and win in court.


never claimed otherwise. weird flex
not a flex, just reminding you that Clinton wasn't in office after the election so did not have the power to do anything.


clinton conceded the day after the election and never issued any form of election contest or legal action attempting to overturn anything

She had Jill Stein do it on her behalf. Hillary was too busy licking her wounds and without POTUS power to move mountains, she couldn't do anything. She held no office at the time.



lip service is very different from actually objecting to or challenging the results.

Only in how much power they hold to actually do anything. If they are calling the POTUS illegitimate and they do not take action, it's most likely because they lack the power to do so and would like to remain wealthy.


then how was the investigation an attack on democracy?

Where did I say it was an attack on democracy? That's not my shit, that's someone else's shit.
The investigation shows that democracy is only a façade. While Hillary was being excused for her email scandal, Trump was being investigated. We don't need to rehash the facts surrounding the events.


this does not say that obama, the president, launched any investigation

It's long been held (especially here) that what happens under your watch, especially by your administration, is your doing. You cannot duck out of that.


dont need a professor. we can appeal to dictionaries.

Fine, let's use the dictionary:

democracy
[ dih-mok-ruh-see ]SHOW IPA


See synonyms for democracy on Thesaurus.com
noun, plural de·moc·ra·cies.
government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
a state having such a form of government:
The United States and Canada are democracies.
a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.
political or social equality; democratic spirit.
the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; the common people with respect to their political power.

At any time either elected official acted to do anything, they were acting as "elected agents" so you cannot say that Trump was less of an elected agent than was Obama. The question is whether or not they acted in the best interest of those who elected them (and the country as a whole). When a sitting POTUS uses the power of office to launch an investigation into a presidential candidate (and don't be so naive as to pretend you don't believe the POTUS knew the GOP candidate was being investigated) they are now acting as an agent to their party, not to the people they purport to represent.


you said the fact there was an investigation launched into a candidate and followed it with "democracy my ass"

please, tell me how the existence of an investigation contradicts the notion that this is a democracy?

You can call any shitty governing system a democracy if you want to play a game semantical hide and seek.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol DMC

[DMC]

I'm gonna keep making fun of your highly cliched mannerisms.

Enjoy!

Because you don't have your own shit. You have to tweet other people's shit. Enjoy being marginal.

[spurraider21]

So they failed, democracy and the legal system working as expected. Nothing was compromised. Trespassing is never legal but the system was able to absorb it.
a failed attack on democracy is an attack on democracy nevertheless


I know. Several courts were involved in the process, and each side was trying to do anything in their legal power to win. Democracy was in the hands of the courts.

I know the story.

Sounds like they all got every recount they were "entitled to", per the supreme court.
if you know the story, then you know that the requests and the scale of the efforts are non-comparable


Not the same but another indication that democracy only goes as far as you can push it through the judicial process. It doesn't matter what the people vote for, it only matters what you can certify and win in court.
not necessarily. if republicans controlled congress the certification process would have been a hell of a lot more contentious. that was the gameplan even after their legal attempts failed. hell some in congress (and trump himself) were even pushing for pence to unilaterally cancel the election results


not a flex, just reminding you that Clinton wasn't in office after the election so did not have the power to do anything.
false. clinton could have sought legal election challenges and chose not to. she conceded then she pouted for a few years.


She had Jill Stein do it on her behalf. Hillary was too busy licking her wounds and without POTUS power to move mountains, she couldn't do anything. She held no office at the time.
:lol no. they tried to convince clinton and her team to initiate election contests or recount requests. she declined. stein then sought a recount and paid all the money to get it done. clinton's attorney said that they didnt want to initiate anything because they saw no evidence of hacking or efforts to fuck with vote totals, but they "participated" in the recount to ensure there was no fuckery.

suggesting that clinton solicited stein to do so on her behalf is conspiracy-bait


Only in how much power they hold to actually do anything. If they are calling the POTUS illegitimate and they do not take action, it's most likely because they lack the power to do so and would like to remain wealthy.
they could have tried issuing formal objections or filing lawsuits the way trumpers did. they didn't.


Where did I say it was an attack on democracy? That's not my shit, that's someone else's shit.
you didnt use the word attack, but you followed that sentence with "Democracy my ass"

please explain what you meant by that, then.


The investigation shows that democracy is only a façade. While Hillary was being excused for her email scandal, Trump was being investigated. We don't need to rehash the facts surrounding the events.
Clinton was investigated. Trump was investigated. Clinton was exonerated. Trump was exonerated. I'm glad we don't need to rehash those facts. I'm wondering how this demonstrates that democracy is a facade, particularly when you arent claiming that in had any impact on votes or the election


It's long been held (especially here) that what happens under your watch, especially by your administration, is your doing. You cannot duck out of that.
long held by who?

does that mean trump was responsible for the special counsel investigation into trump? :lol

i also think it would be incredibly shitty if a law enforcement agency chose to NOT launch an investigation into somebody just because they were a political candidate. the right thing to do would be to investigate but not in a public manner that would influence a future election. they kept the trump investigation under wraps until after the election.


Fine, let's use the dictionary:

democracy
[ dih-mok-ruh-see ]SHOW IPA


See synonyms for democracy on Thesaurus.com
noun, plural de·moc·ra·cies.
government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
a state having such a form of government:
The United States and Canada are democracies.
a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.
political or social equality; democratic spirit.
the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; the common people with respect to their political power.

At any time either elected official acted to do anything, they were acting as "elected agents" so you cannot say that Trump was less of an elected agent than was Obama. The question is whether or not they acted in the best interest of those who elected them (and the country as a whole). When a sitting POTUS uses the power of office to launch an investigation into a presidential candidate (and don't be so naive as to pretend you don't believe the POTUS knew the GOP candidate was being investigated) they are now acting as an agent to their party, not to the people they purport to represent.
when did i make this claim?

the first definition you cited says that the power is vested in the people and exercised by their elected agents under a free electoral system. this definition doesnt say anything about acting "in the best interests" of anybody. if people want to elect corrupt dickheads they can do that. if people want to elect somebody who they believe will act in their best interests, then they should do that. people who thought trump was that... were naive in my opinion.


You can call any shitty governing system a democracy if you want to play a game semantical hide and seek.
no. i can call a shitty governing system a democracy is the power is vested in the people and that power is exercised by them or by elected agents under a free electoral system. as far as i know, in the US, the people do have the power to kick out awful leaders like trump. that trump and other republicans tried to weaken that structure is something to be concerned about, for sure.

[Winehole23]

DMC:pure mismemory plus sophistry

[DMC]

DMC:pure mismemory plus sophistry

Quite the quandary, Smedley.

[DMC]

a failed attack on democracy is an attack on democracy nevertheless


if you know the story, then you know that the requests and the scale of the efforts are non-comparable


not necessarily. if republicans controlled congress the certification process would have been a hell of a lot more contentious. that was the gameplan even after their legal attempts failed. hell some in congress (and trump himself) were even pushing for pence to unilaterally cancel the election results


false. clinton could have sought legal election challenges and chose not to. she conceded then she pouted for a few years.


:lol no. they tried to convince clinton and her team to initiate election contests or recount requests. she declined. stein then sought a recount and paid all the money to get it done. clinton's attorney said that they didnt want to initiate anything because they saw no evidence of hacking or efforts to fuck with vote totals, but they "participated" in the recount to ensure there was no fuckery.

suggesting that clinton solicited stein to do so on her behalf is conspiracy-bait


they could have tried issuing formal objections or filing lawsuits the way trumpers did. they didn't.


you didnt use the word attack, but you followed that sentence with "Democracy my ass"

please explain what you meant by that, then.


Clinton was investigated. Trump was investigated. Clinton was exonerated. Trump was exonerated. I'm glad we don't need to rehash those facts. I'm wondering how this demonstrates that democracy is a facade, particularly when you arent claiming that in had any impact on votes or the election


long held by who?

does that mean trump was responsible for the special counsel investigation into trump? :lol

i also think it would be incredibly shitty if a law enforcement agency chose to NOT launch an investigation into somebody just because they were a political candidate. the right thing to do would be to investigate but not in a public manner that would influence a future election. they kept the trump investigation under wraps until after the election.


when did i make this claim?

the first definition you cited says that the power is vested in the people and exercised by their elected agents under a free electoral system. this definition doesnt say anything about acting "in the best interests" of anybody. if people want to elect corrupt dickheads they can do that. if people want to elect somebody who they believe will act in their best interests, then they should do that. people who thought trump was that... were naive in my opinion.


no. i can call a shitty governing system a democracy is the power is vested in the people and that power is exercised by them or by elected agents under a free electoral system. as far as i know, in the US, the people do have the power to kick out awful leaders like trump. that trump and other republicans tried to weaken that structure is something to be concerned about, for sure.
I'm not doing line item responses with you since you like to put words in my mouth and then act like it was accidental. You're a lawyer, it's not accidental that you change someone's wording to suit your argument instead of finding a better argument.

There was no attack on democracy. At no point in time was democracy ever threatened, regardless of the pearl clutching going on here like Hitler 2.0 was imminent. We had a shitty leader with a huge ego. He pushed the limits of the office and stepped over the line on a few occasions. Had democracy been threatened we'd have seen some bills introduced to rid the BoR of Amendments.. oh wait, that's what the democrats do.

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The US government was literally attacked on Jan 6th.

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Trump asked Brad to find votes for him after the state certification. Is that kosher?

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The US government was literally attacked on Jan 6th.

Yes. This I agree with. You can attack a building of the government but that doesn't mean democracy was attacked. Did the riots attack free commerce?

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Trump and his proxies asked five dozen courts to set aside elections based on literally nothing and bullshit.

Is that democracy?

[DMC]

Trump asked Brad to find votes for him after the state certification. Is that kosher?

No, but it's not an attack on democracy unless he was simultaneously undermining the constitutional provisions that govern the electoral process, in congress and the supreme court. It's so en vogue now to claim the opposition is anti-American. Saying they were attacking democracy is akin to McCarthy era finger pointing.

I mean, if democracy was under attack, what damage did it suffer? Can you provide an estimate of the damages without trying to sound snarky or deflecting?

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Trump and his proxies asked five dozen courts to set aside elections based on literally nothing and bullshit.

Is that democracy?

Did they?

According to the dictionary definition of "democracy" the elected official can do whatever he wants as he's an elected agent of the people. They don't have to have the best interest of their constituents in mind.

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Yes. This I agree with. You can attack a building of the government but that doesn't mean democracy was attacked. Did the riots attack free commerce?Free commerce isn't the US government. They were trying to stop the EC results from being certified. It was an attack on the US constitution and the form of government.

The US Congress was interrupted and evacuated -- a per se crime -- and ~55 US officers went top the hospital. It was a battle, not a parade march. Rebellion, to put a finer point on it.

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Free co0mmerce isn't the US government. They were trying to stop the EC results from being certified. It was an attack on the US constitution and the form of government.

The US Congress was interrupted -- a per se crime -- and ~55 US opfficers went top the hospital. It was a battle, not a parade march.

Democracy isn't the US government either. Regardless what political system we use, it's still the US government. The only way they could stop anything was to abide by the rules even if they had to find loopholes. If someone violates a campaigning distance rule at a polling place, are they attacking democracy? They are trying to change the votes by violating the laws.

The people attacking the building were breaking laws. They were attacking the building maybe to delay/disrupt the certification. That wasn't an attack on democracy. They weren't trying to change the way America is governed by overthrowing the institutions of government. They were unarmed.

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Rebellion is a loophole?

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Democracy isn't the US government either. Regardless what political system we use, it's still the US government. The only way they could stop anything was to abide by the rules even if they had to find loopholes.the US Congress is the US government. Whether or not it's a democracy, attacking it is per se illegal.

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Rebellion is a loophole?

If they were arrested then the system absorbed it. They have the right to peacefully assemble and to petition the government for redress of their grievances. They don't have the right to break into the building. You see disruptions of proceedings all the time during congressional hearings. Is that an attack on democracy?

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the US Congress is the US government. Whether or not it's a democracy, attacking it is per se illegal.

But was democracy itself attacked? Do you equate the federal government with democracy?

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No, but it's not an attack on democracy unless he was simultaneously undermining the constitutional provisions that govern the electoral process, in congress and the supreme court. It's so en vogue now to claim the opposition is anti-American. Saying they were attacking democracy is akin to McCarthy era finger pointing.

I mean, if democracy was under attack, what damage did it suffer? Can you provide an estimate of the damages without trying to sound snarky or deflecting?I didn't say democracy was under attack, I said our government and our constitution were attacked.

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But was democracy itself attacked? Do you equate the federal government with democracy?such as it is colloquially and normatively understood, yes.

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I didn't say democracy was under attack, I said our government and our constitution were attacked.

You jumped into a discussion/argument against the comment that our democracy was attacked. I don't care to address multiple parallel claims unrelated to the one you're jumping in to defend.

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You jumped into a discussion/argument against the comment that our democracy was attacked. I don't care to address multiple parallel claims unrelated to the one you're jumping in to defend.Sorry you can't handle multiple takes and a fluid, mature conversation. That's your limitation, not mine.

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You mean by hater? lol no

By the Republican Party's effort to overturn democracy? Yeah, you could say that makes me angry.

I didn't say democracy was under attack, I said our government and our constitution were attacked.


Sorry you can't handle multiple takes and a fluid, mature conversation. That's your limitation, not mine.

If you want to equate disinterest to inability then whatever makes you feel better. I don't care to argue a point I didn't make. Sorry you don't have anyone to talk to tonight.

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If they were arrested then the system absorbed it. They have the right to peacefully assemble and to petition the government for redress of their grievances. They don't have the right to break into the building. You see disruptions of proceedings all the time during congressional hearings. Is that an attack on democracy?The assembly wasn't peaceable.

There was no attempt to present a petition, nor any oppportunity given for the US Congress to address the complaint.

No speeches, no formal grievance, just violent breaking and entering in an attempt to "stop the steal."

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The assembly wasn't peaceable.

There was no attempt to present a petition, nor any oppportunity given for the US Congress to address the complaint.

No speeches, no formal grievance, just violent breaking and entering in an attempt to "stop the steal."

It was mostly peaceful

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If you want to equate disinterest to inability then whatever makes you feel better. I don't care to argue a point I didn't make. Sorry you don't have anyone to talk to tonight.
You want to give up?

Fine by me.

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America isn't a democracy, wasn't founded as democracy.

the land-preferred, population-insensitive Senate, and the disenfranchising Electoral College were huge fuckups, as were the numerous compromises to accommodate the slave owning states or territories.

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It was mostly peaceful
Bullshit. That's ridiculous.

The US Congress was violently broken into and evacuated. Five people died and 55 US officers went to the hospital.

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What do you think would have happened if the mob got their hands on Pence or Pelosi?

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I'm not doing line item responses with you since you like to put words in my mouth and then act like it was accidental. You're a lawyer, it's not accidental that you change someone's wording to suit your argument instead of finding a better argument.

There was no attack on democracy. At no point in time was democracy ever threatened, regardless of the pearl clutching going on here like Hitler 2.0 was imminent. We had a shitty leader with a huge ego. He pushed the limits of the office and stepped over the line on a few occasions. Had democracy been threatened we'd have seen some bills introduced to rid the BoR of Amendments.. oh wait, that's what the democrats do.
what words did i put in your mouth?

for instance, you said this verbatim

"Hell, a sitting POTUS launched an investigation into the primary candidate of the opposition. Democracy my ass."

so, when you said "Democracy my ass" was that not inferring that we dont actually have a democracy?

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Yes. This I agree with. You can attack a building of the government but that doesn't mean democracy was attacked. Did the riots attack free commerce?
the riots were specifically aimed at stopping the peaceful transfer of power as a result of a free democratic election. the goal of the riot was to thwart the results of the election. how that can be characterized as anything but an attack on democracy is beyond me.

you can call it a weak or ineffective attack, and thats fine.

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No, but it's not an attack on democracy unless he was simultaneously undermining the constitutional provisions that govern the electoral process, in congress and the supreme court. It's so en vogue now to claim the opposition is anti-American. Saying they were attacking democracy is akin to McCarthy era finger pointing.

I mean, if democracy was under attack, what damage did it suffer? Can you provide an estimate of the damages without trying to sound snarky or deflecting?
yeah. 53% of republicans today believe that Trump was the true winner of the election. a significant portion of our country has lost any faith in the fairness of our elections based on nothing but repeated unfounded claims which manifested most directly on jan 6

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If you want to equate disinterest to inability then whatever makes you feel better. I don't care to argue a point I didn't make. Sorry you don't have anyone to talk to tonight.Your indifference is not meaningfully distinguishable from inability. No one but you can tell the difference.

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If they were arrested then the system absorbed it. They have the right to peacefully assemble and to petition the government for redress of their grievances. They don't have the right to break into the building. You see disruptions of proceedings all the time during congressional hearings. Is that an attack on democracy?Code Pink holding up a sign in the gallery and yelling is not equivalent to a thousand people breaking into a putatively closed and secure US building to prevent the US Congress from certifying a free and fair election.