Harris staff says climate, economy among 'main drivers' of migration after Guatemala president blames US

[ducks]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/harris-staff-migration-main-drivers-guatemala-president-us

[CosmicCowboy]

climate change? What s fucking idiot.


But, in an interview aired Sunday, Giammattei said he and Harris "are not on the same side of the coin" on the issue, and blamed what he saw as a more welcoming message to migrants by the new administration for the surge.

"The message changed too: ‘We’re going to reunite families, we’re going to reunite children,’" he told CBS News. "The very next day, the coyotes were here organizing groups of children to take them to the United States."

"We asked the United States government to send more of a clear message to prevent more people from leaving," he said.

[Spurtacular]

In-built excuses for the scammers.

[DMX7]

She's not wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

"I’m thinking of corruption, violence and poverty, the lack of economic opportunity, the lack of climate adaptation and climate resilience, the lack of good governance," she said last month.

:lol Just say you resent her because she's a woman, Trumptards.

[Thread]

"I’m thinking of corruption, violence and poverty, the lack of economic opportunity, the lack of climate adaptation and climate resilience, the lack of good governance," she said last month.

:lol Just say you resent her because she's a woman, Trumptards.

She also incited to riot..."they're out there, stay there, don't ever come back from there, keep rioting, keep burning, keep getting big screens outta the Target. Don't come home."

[boutons_deux]

Harris wrong

Guatemala guy is right

USA/CIA has been fucking up Central and South American countries for decades, long before this centuries AGW shitshow.

Immigrants fleeing the USA-made shitholes to USA are blowback, just like 9/11 was.

[Adam Lambert]

climate change? What s fucking idiot.

No dumber than suggesting the US suddenly has a "Come One Come All" message towards migrants.

[hater]

Her stupidity is not surprising

She polled 7% nationwide for a reason

[DMX7]

Harris wrong

Guatemala guy is right

USA/CIA has been fucking up Central and South American countries for decades, long before this centuries AGW shitshow.

Immigrants fleeing the USA-made shitholes to USA are blowback, just like 9/11 was.

Oh please, nobody in their right mind believes it's USA's fault. I guess you blame corruption in Germany on the USA too now, huh?

[hater]

Harris wrong

Guatemala guy is right

USA/CIA has been fucking up Central and South American countries for decades, long before this centuries AGW shitshow.

Immigrants fleeing the USA-made shitholes to USA are blowback, just like 9/11 was.

Truth nuke

[boutons_deux]

CIA activities in Guatemala

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Guatemala

... repeat for decades in every Central and most South American countries, eg, Pinochet

[hater]

:lmao :lol

https://twitter.com/eInuevoestado/status/1401908263810174979?s=19

[hater]

:lmao

https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1401968979485204490?s=19

[Adam Lambert]

LMAO five people

[hater]

CIA activities in Guatemala

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Guatemala

... repeat for decades in every Central and most South American countries, eg, Pinochet

Yup

Plenty of documented direct damage done by US empire. Its lunacy to denty it

[DMX7]

The intervention there is because it was already a disaster.

These clowns want us to believe it would be Scandinavia like if only for big bad USA intervening. :lol

[hater]

The intervention there is because it was already a disaster.

These clowns want us to believe it would be Scandinavia like if only for big bad USA intervening. :lol

Im pretty sure Latin America would be better off without the dozens of US backed coups and right wing militias :lmao

Its not even close :lmao

These clowns want us to believe Scandinavia would still be Scandinavia had dozens of coups and rightwing military juntas happened there :lmao

[DMX7]

Im pretty sure Latin America would be better off without the dozens of US backed coups and right wing militias :lmao

Its not even close :lmao

These clowns want us to believe Scandinavia would still be Scandinavia had dozens of coups and rightwing military juntas happened there :lmao

Better off? Would the GDP per capita rank 115th instead of 118th? LMAO... :lol

[hater]

Better off? Would the GDP per capita rank 115th instead of 118th? LMAO... :lol

:lmao this is like telling a rape victim that she wouldt be better off without the rape as she would still make $20/hr at Target :lmao

LOL and useless drabble all we know is they would be better off without US ineterventions.

All the killings, murders, coups, tens of thousans of dissapeared ppl, military juntas, human rights violations, raping and pillaging of natural resources. LOL only a blind person would say that without all those things somehow these countries would not be better off :lmao

[ducks]

I want South Dakota gov to run for President
She has a pussy
I want becky to coach the spurs
She has a pussy

[DMX7]

All the killings, murders, coups, tens of thousans of dissapeared ppl, military juntas, human rights violations, raping and pillaging of natural resources. LOL only a blind person would say that without all those things somehow these countries would not be better off :lmao

That's all the USA's fault? LMAO, total bullshit. :lol

[hater]

That's all the USA's fault? LMAO,. :lol

Yup

[pgardn]

It was also the US's fault after WWII to get Western Europe back on its feet as well as Japan.
Meanwhile, the Soviets made a shithole out of Eastern Europe that they are still digging out of.

We have made egregious errors in C. America and S. America. But now its time to try and stand on your own.
Btw, the major problem Harris and the US has with Guatemala and the president is his stacking of the judiciary. They have no legal system separate from him... Sound familiar Bill Barr and Donny? But lets just skip over this tactic and go bash our foolish backing of corrupt leaders, and then treat the corrupt leaders now as good guys because... of what we did. Move forward at some point. Guatemala is run by a guy who believes he owns the law.

[hater]

:lmao most likely the worst vice president we have had in decades :lmao :lol

https://twitter.com/DeMarco575/status/1402236625917259783?s=20

[hater]

:lmao

https://twitter.com/Andy57088135/status/1402338842074570759?s=19

[Winehole23]

She's not wrong.Beg to differ, I think VP Harris is one hundred percent wrong.

She's wrong about history and she's wrong about seeking asylum under US law. It is 100% legal to petition for asylum in person in the US, and US policy has had something to do with chronic political instability in the region.

Fwiw, I also think it's shameful that the USA would say this to any group of people seeking asylum from organized violence and political oppression.

[boutons_deux]

USA warring on VZ

Even The New York Times Now Admits That It’s US Sanctions, Not Socialism, That’s Destroying Venezuela

The facile right-wing talking point that the economic crisis facing Venezuela “proves” that “socialism always ends in failure” has become so hackneyed by overuse that it has attained its own tongue-in-cheek name.

evidence of an economic war against the Venezuelan government ever since Hugo Chavez was first elected in 1998.

US-imposed sanctions have augmented these factors as well as compounded the suffering felt by ordinary Venezuelans.

In a May 30 article (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/30/world/americas/venezuela-gang-maduro.html) in The New York Times about how organized crime groups have stepped in to provide services in certain Caracas neighborhoods,

The US government’s intention behind the sanctions, meanwhile, is straightforward. Its goal is to goad the country’s populace into turning against its government via a brutal form of collective punishment – something which is illegal (https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v2_rul_rule103) according to international law.

This crippling form of non-military warfare, more accurately described as an economic blockade, has led to (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cuba-economy-un/us-trade-embargo-has-cost-cuba-130-billion-un-says-idUSKBN1IA00T) roughly $130 billion in damage to Cuba’s economy

inflicted severe suffering (https://www.coha.org/the-backlash-to-u-s-cuba-normalization-and-the-misuse-of-human-rights/) on Cuba’s civilian population according to mainstream (https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/44000/amr250072009eng.pdf) human rights organizations and academic research (https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/44000/amr250072009eng.pdf).

sanctions actually lead to increases in corruption and organized criminal activity in the countries they target.

“Not only are sanctions… frequently ineffective, they also can be counterproductive… encourage government corruption and the development of transnational organized crime.”

sanctioned governments tend to become less democratic and are more likely to engage in human rights abuses, restrict women’s rights, and curb media freedoms.”

[B]Washington bases its decision to impose sanctions on a very simple criterion – whether or not a country is obediently serving its economic and geostrategic interests and accommodating its preferred neoliberal economic system.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/08/even-the-new-york-times-now-admits-that-its-us-sanctions-not-socialism-thats-destroying-venezuela/

ad nauseam, for 100 years, throughout Central and South America.

[Winehole23]

I understand the bare knuckles political calculation for saying this. The 10-20% of Americans who rabidly care about this.

Like the ostensible precedent -- Obama/Bidens's historically aggressive border enforcement from 2008-2016 -- Biden will earn no bipartisan brownie points for being tuff, no matter how tough he is. Just all the shame.

[hater]

Kopmala is a GOPer plain and simple

Biden democrats will never admit to the following 2 truths:

1) Biden is in the Right. (Yes GOP currently is in the Far Right. Thats true)
2) Kamala is to the Right of Biden. In other words she is closer to the Far Right than to the Center.

Cheerleaders here will never admit or accept this. But its the plain truth.

[ElNono]

:lmao most likely the worst vice president we have had in decades :lmao :lol

https://twitter.com/DeMarco575/status/1402236625917259783?s=20

Can't wait till she's POTUS, tbh

[DarrinS]

Can't wait till she's POTUS, tbh

Not gonna happen

[DarrinS]

Kopmala is a GOPer plain and simple

Biden democrats will never admit to the following 2 truths:

1) Biden is in the Right. (Yes GOP currently is in the Far Right. Thats true)
2) Kamala is to the Right of Biden. In other words she is closer to the Far Right than to the Center.

Cheerleaders here will never admit or accept this. But its the plain truth.

No

[ElNono]

Not gonna happen

I don't think there's a choice if old joe kicks the bucket

[Ef-man]

I don't think there's a choice if old joe kicks the bucket

In before darrins’ liver falls off from drinking should Kamala ever be inaugurated

[hater]

No

Yes. And you are extreme right wing ma nig.

[hater]

Not gonna happen

Shes got the best chance out of every single human alive. And thats scary

[Spurtacular]

:lmao most likely the worst vice president we have had in decades :lmao :lol

https://twitter.com/DeMarco575/status/1402236625917259783?s=20

"And I haven't been to Europe."

Reminds me of back in the day the Democrats and their blue anon minions saying that sh** like this made it so GWB didn't have the necessary foreign policy experience.

[Spurtacular]

Can't wait till she's POTUS, tbh

Why?

[ElNono]

Why?

to trigger the neckbeards

[hater]

to trigger the neckbeards

So u rather have one of the worst president ever to trigger ppl you dont like??

Lol

[Will Hunting]

:lol Biden has successfully been able duck the border shit sandwich by making Kamala the scapegoat for it. Great political move on his part.

[Will Hunting]

Can't wait till she's POTUS, tbh
She’s unelectable at the top of the ticket.

If Biden doesn’t run in 2024 Roy Cooper is the best candidate imo.

[Will Hunting]

I’m not even sure who likes Kamala other than Resist Twitter wine moms. She didn’t really ad any value as the VP pick and she’s Hillary-like in the sense she’s driven purely by political ambition but lacks any real ideals she’s known for.

[hater]

I’m not even sure who likes Kamala other than Resist Twitter wine moms. She didn’t really ad any value as the VP pick and she’s Hillary-like in the sense she’s driven purely by political ambition but lacks any real ideals she’s known for.

Militant heffers and shillary die hards love them some Kopmala.

I doubt anyone else likes her. Cheerleqders tolerate and 3ven defend her but thats cheerleaders for you.

She polleed 7% maximum nationwide and is as unlikeable as Shillary. Except at least Hillary had brains, this thing has the intellect of a marmot

[Will Hunting]

Militant heffers and shillary die hards love them some Kopmala.
not sure how either one of those demographics are any different than Resist Twitter wine moms :lol

[hater]

not sure how either one of those demographics are any different than Resist Twitter wine moms :lol

I would pepper in some emo males and some males that have never had sex in there tbqh

Also some of those males who like fat women walking on them with stilettos on

[Will Hunting]

I would pepper in some emo males and some males that have never had sex in there tbqh
Na, the emo males/incels are either tankies or paleocons, one extreme or the other.

[hater]

:lmao

Old Joe throwing Kopmala under the bus already :lmao

“Some administration officials are quietly perplexed about the Vice President’s answers to some questions, in particular the particular question she got from Lester Holt where she equated the question about the border with Europe. There was hope the trip would be a success, and in the end, they feel it may have been overshadowed by some of her answers to these questions,” CNNs Diamond reported.

:lmao border with Europe

[hater]

:lmao

https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1402577440296226818?s=19

[Adam Lambert]

Disappointed in the radical open border Democrats that our resident conservative chicken littles warned us of. Shockingly they have yet to live up to their reputation.

[hater]

Im more dissapointed that these open border Democrats actually have a near Far Right Border policy tbqh

But not surprised. Biden/Kamala = not quite GOP far right but as close as can be

[ElNono]

So u rather have one of the worst president ever to trigger ppl you dont like??

Lol

We already had the worst president ever the last 4 years and made it. People overreact to these things.

[ElNono]

She’s unelectable at the top of the ticket.

If Biden doesn’t run in 2024 Roy Cooper is the best candidate imo.

Oh I know. I was just mentioning the scenario where Joe doesn't wake up one morning, which is not super far-fetched either, considering his age.

[ChumpDumper]

Im more dissapointed that these open border Democrats actually have a near Far Right Border policy tbqh

But not surprised. Biden/Kamala = not quite GOP far right but as close as can beTurns out they were never open border.

Because they never said they were open border.

Shocking.

[hater]

We already had the worst president ever the last 4 years and made it. People overreact to these things.

So lets get another one just to trigger the cons yay!

[hater]

Turns out they were never open border.

Because they never said they were open border.

Shocking.

Its legal for anyone to seek asylum. This human rights practice should never be discouraged. Unless you are a rightwinger

[ChumpDumper]

Its legal for anyone to seek asylum. This human rights practice should never be discouraged. Unless you are a rightwingerNot open border.

[Millennial_Messiah]

She’s unelectable at the top of the ticket.

If Biden doesn’t run in 2024 Roy Cooper is the best candidate imo.
Roy Cooper is a good one because he's from NC so theoretically he could lose MI/WI/PA and still win the election by winning NC/GA and the rest of the Democrat states.

[Chucho]

I like Harris. I like how she has the balls to stand up to the drug mules and rapists and criminals from latin America and tells them to stay the hell out of our country.

She's far better at putting them in their places than that Orange Clown was.

[hater]

Not open border.

Borders are open to asylum seekers. By law.

Unless you are a right winger, right winger.

[hater]

I like Harris. I like how she has the balls to stand up to the drug mules and rapists and criminals from latin America and tells them to stay the hell out of our country.

She's far better at putting them in their places than that Orange Clown was.

Called it. Shes as close to far right as can be :tu

[ChumpDumper]

Borders are open to asylum seekers. By law.

Unless you are a right winger, right winger.That is not an open border policy.

Why lie?

[Dirks_Finale]

:lol Biden has successfully been able duck the border shit sandwich by making Kamala the scapegoat for it. Great political move on his part.

Swamp creature extraordinaire has many tricks up his sleeve. :lol

[hater]

Not open border.

But legal asylum application yes correct?

[hater]

That is not an open border policy.

Why lie?

About what?

[ChumpDumper]

But legal asylum application yes correct?That's not an open border policy.

[hater]

That's not an open border policy.

Kagala said dont come to asylum seekers. Thats a right wing policy. Sorry to break it to you

[hater]

Had kopmala said if you are planning to cross illegally do not come but you are welcome to apply legally. That would be differeng.

She said DO NOT COME

Thats a rightwing (near far rightwing) policy

[koriwhat]

Harris just like Biden are both dumbfucks who have no clue whatthefuck they're doing other than fucking up and destroying this great nation which was their plan all along. Prove me wrong!

Climate this and climate that... Fuck that nonsense already!

[Will Hunting]

Roy Cooper is a good one because he's from NC so theoretically he could lose MI/WI/PA and still win the election by winning NC/GA and the rest of the Democrat states.
I think he’d do fine in the Midwest too, certainly better than Kamala would.

Whitmer or Klob as his VP would also help in the Midwest however I’d prefer Klob takeover for Schumer as majority leader, that way Manchin and Sinema would be threatened with a stapler and various other types of office supplies being thrown at their face if they don’t get in line.

[Will Hunting]

Swamp creature extraordinaire has many tricks up his sleeve. :lol
Are you a boomer? The way you unironically make corny MAGAboomer jokes like “swamp creature” has some serious boomer vibes.

[Will Hunting]

Really don’t see anything wrong with Harris’s statement btw telling people not to come. Iirc there are ways to apply for asylum without traveling thousands of miles and showing up at the border with nothing but an empty mouth to feed.

[hater]

Really don’t see anything wrong with Harris’s statement btw telling people not to come. Iirc there are ways to apply for asylum without traveling thousands of miles and showing up at the border with nothing but an empty mouth to feed.

"There are ways"

How? pls enlighten us

[ChumpDumper]

Kagala said dont come to asylum seekers. Thats a right wing policy. Sorry to break it to you

No.

[Will Hunting]

"There are ways"

How? pls enlighten us
I said iirc, didn’t claim to know for sure.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I think he’d do fine in the Midwest too, certainly better than Kamala would.

Whitmer or Klob as his VP would also help in the Midwest however I’d prefer Klob takeover for Schumer as majority leader, that way Manchin and Sinema would be threatened with a stapler and various other types of office supplies being thrown at their face if they don’t get in line.
Whitmer is despised in Michigan. I've been there -- just a couple months ago and met a lot of people. They all hate her, not just for the shutdown and mask crap but also for lying about "fixing the roads", picking and choosing who can and can't get state unemployment pay, and just being a bitch in general. These are mostly millennials I've hung around that just can't stand her anymore.

And most of those people I've talked to, actually voted for her in 2018 on the empty promises she broke, also because she wasn't affiliated with Rick Snyder who they blamed for the Flint water pollution crisis.

[Dirks_Finale]

Are you a boomer? The way you unironically make corny MAGAboomer jokes like “swamp creature” has some serious boomer vibes.

No.

Plenty of non-boomers use that term.

[Will Hunting]

Whitmer is despised in Michigan. I've been there -- just a couple months ago and met a lot of people. They all hate her, not just for the shutdown and mask crap but also for lying about "fixing the roads", picking and choosing who can and can't get state unemployment pay, and just being a bitch in general.
Remember when you used the same anecdotal bullshit to say Biden would do worse in Minnesota than he would in Wisconsin?

[Will Hunting]

No.

Plenty of non-boomers use that term.
Sure and plenty of non-boomer Democrats unironically refer to Trump as “the former guy” but it’s still cringe boomer humor in both cases.

Do you follow Catturd on Twitter? Don’t lie :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Remember when you used the same anecdotal bullshit to say Biden would do worse in Minnesota than he would in Wisconsin?

I'm genuinely surprised that Trump was actually that close in WI. There probably needs to be an audit done there, because I think Biden won by closer to Obama 12 - like figures there. Then again I did spend a lot more time in Madison than in the Twin Cities.

Michigan is definitely more conservative than Wisconsin in general... if you gave Wayne County to Canada, then Michigan would be as ruby red as say Tennessee.

[Dirks_Finale]

I'm sure she is hated in the rural areas, which is to be expected. Detroit and other fairly metro areas, kinda doubt that.


Whitmer is despised in Michigan. I've been there -- just a couple months ago and met a lot of people. They all hate her, not just for the shutdown and mask crap but also for lying about "fixing the roads", picking and choosing who can and can't get state unemployment pay, and just being a bitch in general. These are mostly millennials I've hung around that just can't stand her anymore.

And most of those people I've talked to, actually voted for her in 2018 on the empty promises she broke, also because she wasn't affiliated with Rick Snyder who they blamed for the Flint water pollution crisis.

[Dirks_Finale]

I'm genuinely surprised that Trump was actually that close in WI. There probably needs to be an audit done there, because I think Biden won by closer to Obama 12 - like figures there. Then again I did spend a lot more time in Madison than in the Twin Cities.

I think there was a poll that had Biden +17 in Wisconsin right before the election :lol

[Will Hunting]

I'm genuinely surprised that Trump was actually that close in WI. There probably needs to be an audit done there, because I think Biden won by closer to Obama 12 - like figures there. Then again I did spend a lot more time in Madison than in the Twin Cities.
Where in MI did you talk to people about Whitmer?

[Millennial_Messiah]

I'm sure she is hated in the rural areas, which is to be expected. Detroit and other fairly metro areas, kinda doubt that.

I'm not talking rural... I'm talking Grand Rapids and Muskegon, Battle Creek, Traverse City, west coast shoreline in general... like I say you take away Wayne county where all the crime is, Michigan is red as Tennessee. I mean there's still a few places like Flint which is black dominated and Ann Arbor which is a college town but still... you get the picture.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Where in MI did you talk to people about Whitmer?
All throughout my journey in the western half of the state. Didn't even go to the UP at all.

[Will Hunting]

I think there was a poll that had Biden +17 in Wisconsin right before the election :lol
:lmao it was an A+ rated pollster too.

If the Wisconsin Democratic Party wasn’t elite tier, that state would have turned completely red by now. Only chance the Dems have at surviving in WI is if the St. Paul suburbs continue to make a push into WI.

[Will Hunting]

I'm not talking rural... I'm talking Grand Rapids and Muskegon, Battle Creek, Traverse City, west coast shoreline in general... like I say you take away Wayne county where all the crime is, Michigan is red as Tennessee. I mean there's still a few places like Flint which is black dominated and Ann Arbor which is a college town but still... you get the picture.
Saying “take away Wayne County and MI is red” is the equivalent of saying “take away my uncle’s dick and he becomes my aunt”

[Millennial_Messiah]

I think there was a poll that had Biden +17 in Wisconsin right before the election :lol

Quinnipiac, which admittedly has a leftward bias, but if you went by the highway and town signs that would be about right. then again I didn't go to more red places like Green Bay or the lake towns (Oshkosh, Appleton, Manitowoc, Fond-du-Lac) which are probably more GOP tilted. Madison is the Seattle of the upper north in terms of largely white political hippies and it's also a bigtime college town. Milwaukee has similar demographics to Detroit.

[Will Hunting]

Quinnipiac, which admittedly has a leftward bias, but if you went by the highway and town signs that would be about right. then again I didn't go to more red places like Green Bay or the lake towns (Oshkosh, Appleton, Manitowoc, Fond-du-Lac) which are probably more GOP tilted. Madison is the Seattle of the upper north in terms of largely white political hippies and it's also a bigtime college town. Milwaukee has similar demographics to Detroit.
it wasn’t Quinnipiac, that’s the thing. Iirc it was an ABC News/WaPo poll, which is supposed to be top tier.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao it was an A+ rated pollster too.

If the Wisconsin Democratic Party wasn’t elite tier, that state would have turned completely red by now. Only chance the Dems have at surviving in WI is if the St. Paul suburbs continue to make a push into WI.
Not sure if I agree... the Democrats have not one but two strongholds in the state that they can forever count on in Milwaukee and Madison, by far the largest cities in the state. I don't get why it isn't even more blue than it is. Especially compared to Michigan where it's one big city and the rest of the state that hates the Democrats.

Even in Illinois they only have one, though it just so happens to be the 3rd largest city and 4th largest metro area in the USA.

[hater]

I said iirc, didn’t claim to know for sure.

:lmao

There are no ways thus why ppl walk to the border for asylum

[Millennial_Messiah]

The other thing about Wisconsin and Michigan is they're not particularly all that religious there on average, there are isolated church-goers but it's definitely not the bible belt, which helps democrats survive despite the demographics generally not in their favor compared to the South and say, Northeast or West Coast where there are tons of minorities unlike the North/Upper Midwest.

[Will Hunting]

Not sure if I agree... the Democrats have not one but two strongholds in the state that they can forever count on in Milwaukee and Madison, by far the largest cities in the state. I don't get why it isn't even more blue than it is. Especially compared to Michigan where it's one big city and the rest of the state that hates the Democrats.

Even in Illinois they only have one, though it just so happens to be the 3rd largest city and 4th largest metro area in the USA.
Milwaukee/Dane County don’t have anywhere near enough people to anchor Democrats in the state the way Cook County anchors Democrats in Illinois. It’s not about how many strongholds you have, it’s about what the stronghold’s population is as a % of the state. The WOW counties (Milwaukee suburbs) are also still ruby red. If they start trending blue the way other suburbs have then WI could very well stay blue but the WOW counties have a large swath of uneducated people who make into the 6 figures which is basically a surefire Republican vote.

In NC for example Democrats still can’t get over the edge because Mecklenburg and Wake County together are only 20% of the state vs. GA where the greater Atlanta MSA is 60% of the state.

Keep in mind with WI I think Biden got at least 35% of the vote in every single county, even the rurals, point being Democrats have a lot of room to potentially fall with working class white voters in WI than they have in states like PA.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Milwaukee/Dane County don’t have anywhere near enough people to anchor Democrats in the state the way Cook County anchors Democrats in Illinois. It’s not about how many strongholds you have, it’s about what the stronghold’s population is as a % of the state. The WOW counties (Milwaukee suburbs) are also still ruby red. If they start trending blue the way other suburbs have then WI could very well stay blue but the WOW counties have a large swath of uneducated people who make into the 6 figures which is basically a surefire Republican vote.

In NC for example Democrats still can’t get over the edge because Mecklenburg and Wake County together are only 20% of the state vs. GA where the greater Atlanta MSA is 60% of the state.

Keep in mind with WI I think Biden got at least 35% of the vote in every single county, even the rurals, point being Democrats have a lot of room to potentially fall with working class white voters in WI than they have in states like PA.

Yeah PA has two democrat strongholds and one is still a majority-black city and still one of the ten most populous in the USA. I think MI is the reddest of the three, WI in the middle, and PA the bluest. WI and MI are a lot alike in that outside the urban big cities they are mostly whites without a college degree as opposed to suburbs in the South. The college educated whites are mainly clustered in Ann Arbor and Madison, and the nice outer west Detroit suburbs like Bloomington Hills, Farmington Hills, Troy, Southfield, etc.

North Carolina really surprises me, I didn't expect it to go back red after 2008 but it has every time since. Especially considering it's such an epicenter of education and technology and millennials these days. So many college towns, so many colleges there. I expected it'd be Virginia South but it's not.

[Will Hunting]

The other thing about Wisconsin and Michigan is they're not particularly all that religious there on average, there are isolated church-goers but it's definitely not the bible belt, which helps democrats survive despite the demographics generally not in their favor compared to the South and say, Northeast or West Coast where there are tons of minorities unlike the North/Upper Midwest.
No doubt, the Democrats will always have better margins with uneducated white voters in WI/MI than they’ll have with uneducated white voters in MS/AL, but the problem is those voters in WI/MI are still trending red, while the black population in Milwaukee is declining in general. The fact Dane County is growing quickly is the only thing saving Dems in WI.

[Millennial_Messiah]

No doubt, the Democrats will always have better margins with uneducated white voters in WI/MI than they’ll have with uneducated white voters in MS/AL, but the problem is those voters in WI/MI are still trending red, while the black population in Milwaukee is declining in general. The fact Dane County is growing quickly is the only thing saving Dems in WI.
Yeah there's a theory out there in the tech world that Madison, Silicon Valley, Raleigh/Durham, and Austin will make up a diamond of the big four epicenters of 21st century technology. Madison definitely has Austin like demographics, attitudes, education rates etc. The issue with Madison is its geography, the city itself has a hard time expanding outward because it's surrounded by large bodies of water with little room for growth in the city limits, though there's almost infinite room in the suburbs.

[Will Hunting]

Yeah PA has two democrat strongholds and one is still a majority-black city and still one of the ten most populous in the USA. I think MI is the reddest of the three, WI in the middle, and PA the bluest. WI and MI are a lot alike in that outside the urban big cities they are mostly whites without a college degree as opposed to suburbs in the South. The college educated whites are mainly clustered in Ann Arbor and Madison, and the nice outer west Detroit suburbs like Bloomington Hills, Farmington Hills, Troy, Southfield, etc.

North Carolina really surprises me, I didn't expect it to go back red after 2008 but it has every time since. Especially considering it's such an epicenter of education and technology and millennials these days. So many college towns, so many colleges there. I expected it'd be Virginia South but it's not.
North Carolina is a big retirement destination for Republicans in the northeast, that’s why. The increase of younger libs in NC for the reasons you describe has been largely offset by the increase of retirees from other states / GOP voters moving up from the Deep South. The black belt counties in NC are also losing population.

imo MI is the bluest of those 3 and it’s not close. The Dems came dangerously close to taking the state leg back last year, while it has several blue patches in places like Lansing that are outside the Detroit MSA. It’s also voted bluer then PA/WI in literally every recent presidential election. If Gary Peters ran the same dogshit campaign in WI or PA he probably loses imo.

[Will Hunting]

Basically for a state to turn solid blue, it needs a population center to anchor the Dem vote. In Colorado, it was Denver. In Virginia, it was the DC suburbs. In Georgia it was Atlanta. Neither Charlotte nor Raleigh/Durham are the type of massive population center that dominates how NC votes.

[ElNono]

So lets get another one just to trigger the cons yay!

Sure, worth the snowflake meltdown for sure.

[hater]

Sure, worth the snowflake meltdown for sure.

Yay!!!

[hater]

:lmao

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