The American Scam: wealthiest americans paid from .1%-3% taxes while average americans 15%-30%

[hater]

https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trove-of-never-before-seen-records-reveal-how-the-wealthiest-avoid-income-tax


This country is one big scam.and a joke

[hater]

No one among the 25 wealthiest avoided as much tax as Buffett, the grandfatherly centibillionaire. That’s perhaps surprising, given his public stance as an advocate of higher taxes for the rich. According to Forbes, his riches rose $24.3 billion between 2014 and 2018. Over those years, the data shows, Buffett reported paying $23.7 million in taxes.

That works out to a true tax rate of 0.1%, or less than 10 cents for every $100 he added to his wealth.

In the coming months, ProPublica will use the IRS data we have obtained to explore in detail how the ultrawealthy avoid taxes, exploit loopholes and escape scrutiny from federal auditors.

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I don't blame 'em. That's the whole idea:::pay as little tax as one can lawfully get away with.

[hater]

Its a completely different picture for middle-class Americans, for example, wage earners in their early 40s who have amassed a typical amount of wealth for people their age. From 2014 to 2018, such households saw their net worth expand by about $65,000 after taxes on average, mostly due to the rise in value of their homes. But because the vast bulk of their earnings were salaries, their tax bills were almost as much, nearly $62,000, over that five-year period.

[hater]

I don't blame 'em. That's the whole idea:::pay as little tax as one can lawfully get away with.

They can afford lawyers and accountants. Is it fair to average joes?

[hater]

https://twitter.com/Terry_Yurick/status/1403354913292255236?s=19

[hater]

"Over five years with a half a trillion dollars of assets, they've paid collectively under $15 billion in taxes," Bannon said, arguing that this is "the reason the game is rigged."

They don't pay any taxes anyway," the former Trump administration official continued. "You've got to start increasing the marginal tax increases for the wealthy."

Bannon took aim at conservatives and Republicans who argue against raising taxes on the rich. He said their arguments against raising taxes are the same as their defense of free trade. Bannon called out Trump Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin and economic adviser Gary Cohn for opposing tax hikes on the rich, saying they "went absolutely nuts" when he suggested an increase.

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They can afford lawyers and accountants. Is it fair to average joes?

You have to educate yourself and take advantage of what can be legally taken advantage of. It's all right there, you just have to ferret it out. That's what the wife is for.

[Will Hunting]

https://twitter.com/Terry_Yurick/status/1403354913292255236?s=19
In fairness to Bannon he got fired by Trump after recommending against tax cuts and saying Trump should increase taxes.

[CosmicCowboy]

No one among the 25 wealthiest avoided as much tax as Buffett, the grandfatherly centibillionaire. That’s perhaps surprising, given his public stance as an advocate of higher taxes for the rich. According to Forbes, his riches rose $24.3 billion between 2014 and 2018. Over those years, the data shows, Buffett reported paying $23.7 million in taxes.

That works out to a true tax rate of 0.1%, or less than 10 cents for every $100 he added to his wealth.

In the coming months, ProPublica will use the IRS data we have obtained to explore in detail how the ultrawealthy avoid taxes, exploit loopholes and escape scrutiny from federal auditors.

You keep confusing net worth with income. He buys and holds stocks which have increased in value. Taxes aren't due until he sells. He lives modestly so he has a relatively modest actual income.

[hater]

You keep confusing net worth with income. He buys and holds stocks which have increased in value. Taxes aren't due until he sells. He lives modestly so he has a relatively modest actual income.

Lol u are telling me they made no income from 2014-2018 :lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

Lol u are telling me they made no income from 2014-2018 :lmao

No. Buffet had a taxable income of 125 million. Read your own article.

[SpursforSix]

You keep confusing net worth with income. He buys and holds stocks which have increased in value. Taxes aren't due until he sells. He lives modestly so he has a relatively modest actual income.

Yep. A very simplistic analogy would be a middle class home owner who's home value doubled over the last few years. He shouldn't have to (and isn't required to) pay taxes based on the new value.
That being said, something probably should be done but I don't know how that would work. It seems like it would require the IRS to give refunds in cases where net worth dropped.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/dicktofel/status/1402190917034024965?s=19

[hater]

Taken together, it demolishes the cornerstone myth of the American tax system: that everyone pays their fair share and the richest Americans pay the most. The IRS records show that the wealthiest can — perfectly legally — pay income taxes that are only a tiny fraction of the hundreds of millions, if not billions, their fortunes grow each year.

[CosmicCowboy]

Taken together, it demolishes the cornerstone myth of the American tax system: that everyone pays their fair share and the richest Americans pay the most. The IRS records show that the wealthiest can — perfectly legally — pay income taxes that are only a tiny fraction of the hundreds of millions, if not billions, their fortunes grow each year.

Again...whining about net worth (asset value) increasing. Net worth is not the same as reportable income. Why so jealous? Tax is not paid until assets are sold.

[hater]

Again...whining about net worth (asset value) increasing. Net worth is not the same as reportable income. Why so jealous? Tax is not paid until assets are sold.

Comprehension is key. The point is these rich fuckfaces need to have a minimum tax rate and not reduce their rate to the minimum thanks to their teams of accountants and lawyers.

Ilm be fine with a 35-40 minimum tax rate :tu. And yes I mean on their yearly INCOME. But take 9ut most of their reductions and cuts and like said, minimum 40%

Just like Bannon says.

Its stupid and a scam to agree that average joe must pay 20-30% yearly while these fucks pay 10-15% at most

[DMC]

One major issue being overlooked here is, for a lot of Americans, their income is their net worth. So what they pay as income taxes is, in effect, a tax on their net worth. That's not the fault of the tax code or the federal government or the evil rich people. It's often a simple issue of poor personal management skills; time, money, relationships, health... all being poorly managed and all suffering from deferred maintenance. On the flip side, people with a substantial net worth may not have an actual taxable income greater than just a mid level manager salary. That's because either they are much better at managing those things or they have the wherewithal to hire someone to manage it for them.

[DMC]

Comprehension is key. The point is these rich fuckfaces need to have a minimum tax rate and not reduce their rate to the minimum thanks to their teams of accountants and lawyers.

Ilm be fine with a 35-40 minimum tax rate :tu. And yes I mean on their yearly INCOME. But take 9ut most of their reductions and cuts and like said, minimum 40%

Just like Bannon says.

Its stupid and a scam to agree that average joe must pay 20-30% yearly while these fucks pay 10-15% at most

The average joe doesn't pay 30% income tax :lol

You're like the ambassador for misinformation.

[hater]

The average joe doesn't pay 30% income tax :lol

You're like the ambassador for misinformation.

20-30% is about right Nancy

Even someone who makes 100k a year is an average joe next to these rich fucks. Sorry to break it to you

[DMC]

Again...whining about net worth (asset value) increasing. Net worth is not the same as reportable income. Why so jealous? Tax is not paid until assets are sold.

His house in Florida with the swimming pool must have weighed heavily on his mind, guilt and all.

[DMC]

20-30% is about right Nancy

Even someone who makes 100k a year is an average joe next to these rich fucks. Sorry to break it to you

Average isn't a comparison :lol

Not understanding basic finances OR math :lol

The average income in 2019 was 31K.

The average income tax rate was 14.6%

moar fake news from the panic wizard

[hater]

His house in Florida with the swimming pool must have weighed heavily on his mind, guilt and all.

Of course Im jealous. I pay 30% taxes while these fucks pay single digits mostly

Only an idiot would not be pissed, Nancy :lol

[hater]

https://twitter.com/kevinmo47625053/status/1402471098164289536?s=19

[baseline bum]

:cry poor rich people :cry

The middle class pays a wealth tax in the form of property tax on their home

[DMC]

Of course Im jealous. I pay 30% taxes while these fucks pay single digits mostly

Only an idiot would not be pissed, Nancy :lol

Too cheap to hire an accountant :lol
Penny wise, pound foolish :lol

Probably has gargoyles in front of his house :lol

[DMC]

:cry poor rich people :cry

The middle class pays a wealth tax in the form of property tax on their home

Goalpost move sighted

Property taxes has made many a millionaire into a working man again.

[baseline bum]

Yep. A very simplistic analogy would be a middle class home owner who's home value doubled over the last few years. He shouldn't have to (and isn't required to) pay taxes based on the new value.


??? In Texas your property tax can go up 10% in a year, so your property tax could double in 7 years.

[SpursforSix]

??? In Texas your property tax can go up 10% in a year, so your property tax could double in 7 years.

It's why I said it was a simplistic comparison. I was really just talking about being taxed by the IRS for gains that you hadn't realized.

So in the last few years, someone's home value could have easily doubled but it would be completely unfair for the IRS to expect you to pay taxes based on that increase.

As to property tax, that's a whole 'nother level of bullshit. We live in a home built in the 90's in the country. But now that there's been a bunch of developments built, our home is getting comp'd against brand new homes on a square footage basis. And as to property taxes, they never go down.

[DMC]

nm

[hater]

:cry poor rich people :cry

The middle class pays a wealth tax in the form of property tax on their home

:lmao the retards here bending over backwards for their idols Musk , Buff3t and Zuckadick

[Will Hunting]

Of the numerous issues our tax code has in terms of not taxing rich people enough, I don't see the issue with unrealized capital gains going untaxed, which seems to be the crux of the complaint.

The much bigger problem is the bullshit myth that capital gains should be taxed at a reduced rate because taxing them at the ordinary income tax rates would "impede innovation."

[hater]

Ive worked for big corps that maintain billion $ private funds. They have entire departments of tax experts and lawyers for compliance.

Using things like creating d9zens of shell companies for each deal they reduce their taxes to basically nil. And thats just a minuscule thing in their arsenal.

:lmao and idiots here think billionaires play by the book :lmao :lmao :lol

[SpursforSix]

Of the numerous issues our tax code has in terms of not taxing rich people enough, I don't see the issue with unrealized capital gains going untaxed, which seems to be the crux of the complaint.

The much bigger problem is the bullshit myth that capital gains should be taxed at a reduced rate because taxing them at the ordinary income tax rates would "impede innovation."

This is right. One year (or whatever) is just an arbitrary cutoff. It should all be taxed the same.

[SpursforSix]

Ive worked for big corps that maintain billion $ private funds. They have entire departments of tax experts and lawyers for compliance.

Using things like creating d9zens of shell companies for each deal they reduce their taxes to basically nil. And thats just a minuscule thing in their arsenal.

:lmao and idiots here think billionaires play by the book :lmao :lmao :lol

I think most billionaires do play by the book. No reason not to. They have tons of tax advantages without having to do anything illegal to minimize what they pay in. I'm sure they have the best accountants to ensure that all their benefits are by the book.

[Will Hunting]

I think most billionaires do play by the book. No reason not to. They have tons of tax advantages without having to do anything illegal to minimize what they pay in. I'm sure they have the best accountants to ensure that all their benefits are by the book.
Right. The issue isn't the players, it's the game.

[Will Hunting]

Ive worked for big corps that maintain billion $ private funds. They have entire departments of tax experts and lawyers for compliance.

Using things like creating d9zens of shell companies for each deal they reduce their taxes to basically nil. And thats just a minuscule thing in their arsenal.

:lmao and idiots here think billionaires play by the book :lmao :lmao :lol
Not sure specific tax benefit you're even talking about but creating multiples entities for each new deal isn't some novel concept and it does nothing in and of itself to reduce tax liability :lol, most of those entities are pass through LLCs that get taxed the same way that their parent entity does.

[SpursforSix]

Right. The issue isn't the players, it's the game.

That's it in a nutshell.

[hater]

I think most billionaires do play by the book. No reason not to. They have tons of tax advantages without having to do anything illegal to minimize what they pay in. I'm sure they have the best accountants to ensure that all their benefits are by the book.

Making shell companies in the Cayman Islands to avoid taxation is not playing by the book. IMHO

[SpursforSix]

Making shell companies in the Cayman Islands to avoid taxation is not playing by the book. IMHO

Which billionaires are doing this?

[hater]

Which billionaires are doing this?

Better question is who doesnt


According to an early report on the study in The Guardian, Henry’s research

shows that at least £13tn [$21 trillion] – perhaps up to £20tn [$31 trillion] – has leaked out of scores of countries into secretive jurisdictions such as Switzerland and the Cayman Islands with the help of private banks, which vie to attract the assets of so-called high net-worth individuals. Their wealth is, as Henry puts it, “protected by a highly paid, industrious bevy of professional enablers in the private banking, legal, accounting and investment industries taking advantage of the increasingly borderless, frictionless global economy“. According to Henry’s research, the top 10 private banks, which include UBS and Credit Suisse in Switzerland, as well as the US investment bank Goldman Sachs, managed more than £4tn [$6.2 trillion] in 2010, a sharp rise from £1.5tn five years earlier.

[CosmicCowboy]

Better question is who doesnt


According to an early report on the study in The Guardian, Henry’s research

shows that at least £13tn [$21 trillion] – perhaps up to £20tn [$31 trillion] – has leaked out of scores of countries into secretive jurisdictions such as Switzerland and the Cayman Islands with the help of private banks, which vie to attract the assets of so-called high net-worth individuals. Their wealth is, as Henry puts it, “protected by a highly paid, industrious bevy of professional enablers in the private banking, legal, accounting and investment industries taking advantage of the increasingly borderless, frictionless global economy“. According to Henry’s research, the top 10 private banks, which include UBS and Credit Suisse in Switzerland, as well as the US investment bank Goldman Sachs, managed more than £4tn [$6.2 trillion] in 2010, a sharp rise from £1.5tn five years earlier.

Seriously dude...why would someone with a multi-billion legitimately earned net worth risk getting busted for tax evasion?

[SpursforSix]

Better question is who doesnt


According to an early report on the study in The Guardian, Henry’s research

shows that at least £13tn [$21 trillion] – perhaps up to £20tn [$31 trillion] – has leaked out of scores of countries into secretive jurisdictions such as Switzerland and the Cayman Islands with the help of private banks, which vie to attract the assets of so-called high net-worth individuals. Their wealth is, as Henry puts it, “protected by a highly paid, industrious bevy of professional enablers in the private banking, legal, accounting and investment industries taking advantage of the increasingly borderless, frictionless global economy“. According to Henry’s research, the top 10 private banks, which include UBS and Credit Suisse in Switzerland, as well as the US investment bank Goldman Sachs, managed more than £4tn [$6.2 trillion] in 2010, a sharp rise from £1.5tn five years earlier.

That's good info but I'll need more than that if you're going to tie it into people like Buffet, Gates, etc.

[hater]

That's good info but I'll need more than that if you're going to tie it into people like Buffet, Gates, etc.

Sorry cant divulge much more.

Im 100% sure those 2 are doing it tho. And most are

[Will Hunting]

Seriously dude...why would someone with a multi-billion legitimately earned net worth risk getting busted for tax evasion?
Particularly when you can already drive a Mack Truck through the current tax code without risking criminal liability :lol

[Will Hunting]

Making shell companies in the Cayman Islands to avoid taxation is not playing by the book. IMHO
Sure it is, the problem is the book fucking sucks and allows rich Americans to utilize overseas tax havens with impunity.

[hater]

Its not that they personally do this. They invest in these funds that have whole armies of ppl that will do this for them. All they say is a promise of a minimum 3x return on the investment and no need to ask any more questions.

[Spurs Homer]

hey - something we all knew for years and years -

yet the cult still backed trump and his tax scam -

same posters here - like hater - supported and voted for the biggest criminal offender and is #stillwithhim



why is this suddenly news?

[hater]

Seriously dude...why would someone with a multi-billion legitimately earned net worth risk getting busted for tax evasion?

Lol

Theres zero chance of them.getting busted as its the Fund and Fund Managers who manage this money. As I said they have teams of tax lawyers and compliance experts.

[SpursforSix]

hey - something we all knew for years and years -

yet the cult still backed trump and his tax scam -

same posters here - like hater - supported and voted for the biggest criminal offender and is #stillwithhim



why is this suddenly news?

Sorry to inform you but taking advantage of tax loopholes isn't confined to one particular party. It's really the .3% (maybe even .1%) vs everyone else.

[spurraider21]

Sorry to inform you but taking advantage of tax loopholes isn't confined to one particular party. It's really the .3% (maybe even .1%) vs everyone else.
agreed. but only one party has a wing that wants to aggressively change the tax code to go after that 0.3%, while the other party just cut their taxes a few years ago

[SpursforSix]

agreed. but one one party has a wing that wants to aggressively change the tax code to go after that 0.3%, while the other party just cut their taxes a few years ago

I didn't disagree with the tax break you're talking about as it applied to most small businesses. If you're talking about the 15% break. The problem is applying over all businesses regardless of their profitability or size.
I don't really know how to get around that without hiring a massive amount of IRS agents that look at every business on an individual basis. I guess the same thing could be said about the stimulus packages.

[spurraider21]

I didn't disagree with the tax break you're talking about as it applied to most small businesses. If you're talking about the 15% break. The problem is applying over all businesses regardless of their profitability or size.
I don't really know how to get around that without hiring a massive amount of IRS agents that look at every business on an individual basis. I guess the same thing could be said about the stimulus packages.
and cutting income tax rates across the board, including the wealthy (though middle class cuts were only temporary), cutting the corporate tax rate, doubling the estate tax exemption...

[DMC]

Not sure specific tax benefit you're even talking about but creating multiples entities for each new deal isn't some novel concept and it does nothing in and of itself to reduce tax liability :lol, most of those entities are pass through LLCs that get taxed the same way that their parent entity does.

You already know hater is lying his ass off, closest he ever came to "large corporation" is running a leaf blower on the grounds.

[hater]

Not sure specific tax benefit you're even talking about but creating multiples entities for each new deal isn't some novel concept and it does nothing in and of itself to reduce tax liability :lol, most of those entities are pass through LLCs that get taxed the same way that their parent entity does.

another example, the use of a shell company in a tax haven makes it possible to move profits to that shell company, in a strategy called tax evasion. A United States company buying products from overseas would have to pay US taxes on the profits, but to avoid this, it may buy the products through a non-resident shell company based in a tax haven, where it is described as an offshore company. The shell company would purchase the products in its name, mark up the products and sell them on to the US company, thereby transferring the profit to the tax haven. (The products may never actually physically pass through that tax haven, and be shipped directly to the US company.) As the shell company is not based in the United States, its profit is not subject to US income tax, and as it is an offshore company in the tax haven jurisdiction, it is not taxed there either. Under the tax haven law, the profits are deemed not to have been made in the jurisdiction, with the sale deemed to have taken place in the United States.


Wikipedia

[Spurs Homer]

Sorry to inform you but taking advantage of tax loopholes isn't confined to one particular party. It's really the .3% (maybe even .1%) vs everyone else.

never said or thought it was only one party -

but this is not news and the tax scam was just more of a transfer of wealth - yet cult supporters cheered it on

[ElNono]

How about Soros and Bill Gates though? I know Soros gives employment to millions of antifa heroes, tbh...

[pgardn]

You have to educate yourself and take advantage of what can be legally taken advantage of. It's all right there, you just have to ferret it out. That's what the wife is for.

Me, myself and I...

Except not on your level.

[hater]

You already know hater is lying his ass off, closest he ever came to "large corporation" is running a leaf blower on the grounds.

:lmao

I wish I was lying Nancy. Im not proud of it

[SpursforSix]

and cutting income tax rates across the board, including the wealthy (though middle class cuts were only temporary), cutting the corporate tax rate, doubling the estate tax exemption...

I’ll take your word for it. I’m definitely not tuned in to all that.

[SpursforSix]

never said or thought it was only one party -

but this is not news and the tax scam was just more of a transfer of wealth - yet cult supporters cheered it on

Idk. As to the transfer of wealth, it happens every time there’s a market correction. The people that need the money cash out and those that don’t 1) hold, 2) buy more, 3) short

[spurraider21]

I’ll take your word for it. I’m definitely not tuned in to all that.
Wouldn’t ask you to take my word for it. Can wiki the tax cuts and jobs act of 2017

[Spurtacular]

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[boutons_deux]

Private Inequity:

How a Powerful Industry Conquered the Tax System

The I.R.S. almost never audits private equity firms,

even as whistle-blowers have filed claims alleging illegal tax avoidance.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/12/business/private-equity-taxes.html

[CosmicCowboy]

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Your gas tax numbers are ridiculously wrong.

[CosmicCowboy]

Fed + state tax in Texas is 38 cents per gallon

[spurraider21]

They’re taking the per gallon gas tax and thinking it’s a %

[Ef-man]

They’re taking the per gallon gas tax and thinking it’s a %

Will not mention names but math was never a thing for the low iq.

The low iq get fooled by gab every time.

[DMC]

They’re taking the per gallon gas tax and thinking it’s a %

If gas was a dollar a gallon though

[DMC]

btw no one earning only 100 pays 33% income tax

It's like saying "if you earn 1 dollar and pay 33% income tax, that leaves you with 67 cents. Then you buy something for 67 cents and pay taxes, you're fucking BROKE! and all you have to show for it is 67 cents worth of shit!"

[spurraider21]

If gas was a dollar a gallon though
indeed

[Will Hunting]

btw no one earning only 100 pays 33% income tax

It's like saying "if you earn 1 dollar and pay 33% income tax, that leaves you with 67 cents. Then you buy something for 67 cents and pay taxes, you're fucking BROKE! and all you have to show for it is 67 cents worth of shit!"
Anyone paying a 33% effective tax rate needs to fire their accountant :lol

[DMC]

Anyone paying a 33% effective tax rate needs to fire their accountant :lol

:lol hater

[DMC]

Of course Im jealous. I pay 30% taxes while these fucks pay single digits mostly

Only an idiot would not be pissed, Nancy :lol


Anyone paying a 33% effective tax rate needs to fire their accountant :lol

:lol

[ElNono]

btw no one earning only 100 pays 33% income tax

It's like saying "if you earn 1 dollar and pay 33% income tax, that leaves you with 67 cents. Then you buy something for 67 cents and pay taxes, you're fucking BROKE! and all you have to show for it is 67 cents worth of shit!"

It's written for dumb, dumb people. Apparently, some fell for it.

[Will Hunting]

It’s always funny seeing the guy on the right (DMC/CC) telling the guy on the left (Derp/Chris) how retarded he is :lol

https://i.redd.it/c06kz8z9ajfy.jpg

[Spurtacular]

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[spurraider21]

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/076/434/928/original/d32c3374426a2b95.png
great reason to worship the guy who gave the rich massive tax cuts

[Will Hunting]

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/076/434/928/original/d32c3374426a2b95.png
:lmao McConnell and Trump giving Soros a tax handout

[SpursforSix]

:lmao McConnell and Trump giving Soros a tax handout

maybe at some point people will realize it’s not right vs. left, black vs. white. Not even the 1% vs. the 99%.

[Will Hunting]

maybe at some point people will realize it’s not right vs. left, black vs. white. Not even the 1% vs. the 99%.
So what is it?

[SpursforSix]

So what is it?

Mexicans vs Koreans

[SpursforSix]

So what is it?

For real though….it’s some % lower than 1%. I don’t know what that number actually is. But it’s generational wealth that can live a high lifestyle without decreasing their net worth. Huge difference between someone making $500,000 and the top.

[Will Hunting]

For real though….it’s some % lower than 1%. I don’t know what that number actually is. But it’s generational wealth that can live a high lifestyle without decreasing their net worth. Huge difference between someone making $500,000 and the top.
Ah ok, I see what you’re saying. I agree.

[Thread]

Ah ok, I see what you’re saying. I agree.

Will just broke his Stipulaton Cherry to being wrong about something.

Congratulations, fart face.

It only took ya, what 60 years? I'll get the Kodak, hold on, Will.

[Will Hunting]

Will just broke his Stipulaton Cherry to being wrong about something.

Congratulations, fart face.

It only took ya, what 60 years? I'll get the Kodak, hold on, Will.
60 years? Sorry, I’m not a boomer.

[Thread]

60 years? Sorry, I’m not a boomer.

Don't be purposely obtuse. I gave ya a nice Dutch rub. Perhaps it'll resonate to that peanut of a brain you have and you'll break your Cogent Thought Cherry.

[Ef-man]

Don't be purposely obtuse. I gave ya a nice Dutch rub. Perhaps it'll resonate to that peanut of a brain you have and you'll break your Cogent Thought Cherry.

Sweetheart!!! Punkinpuss!!! What happened? Are you so down on your luck that you are giving Dutch rubs to anonymous men on ST?

Oh, how you have brought yourself down so low.

Damn that trump!

[Thread]

Sweetheart!!! Punkinpuss!!! What happened? Are you so down on your luck that you are giving Dutch rubs to anonymous men on ST?

Oh, how you have brought yourself down so low.

Damn that trump!

He made President, by God, Ef. All you could do was stand by and watch in abject horror. And now he'll be President forever while you badger him to the grave and beyond. That'll teach him and any other person who is not on the schedule to be President from even thinking about running ever again.

Congratulations.

[Ef-man]

He made President, by God, Ef. All you could do was stand by and watch in abject horror. And now he'll be President forever while you badger him to the grave and beyond. That'll teach him and any other person who is not on the schedule to be President from even thinking about running ever again.

Congratulations.

The former guy has ruined you Thread, absolutely ruined you and he laughed all the way to the bank in Maralago.

How many checks did the former guy ever sent you?

He jacked up my taxes but he kept the cream and gave you the swill.

The damn one-termer has you dickmatized even though he mistreated you.

Stockholm syndrome has you it its grip.

You need a halfway house to recover punkinpuss, as he destroyed you like ducks destroys English (yes that bad).