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KoriEllis
04-02-2003, 07:27 PM
Okay, by all reasonable estimates the Spurs will have:

:duncan
:bowen
:parker
:ginobili
:rose

on the books. For argument sake, let's say that the Spurs make the qualifying offer to :jackson and he is on the team.

Now, you have six roster spots available and approximately $15 million to spend (yes, I'm aware that this number will vary -- it's a hypothetical).

Spend the money as you wish and fill the roster.

You know who the max free agents are -- so don't say stuff like "Kidd takes $2million".

BE RC! :queen

Patrick Davis
04-02-2003, 07:33 PM
Sign J. O'Neal for max

sign J.Posey for 3-4 mil,

try and pick up Boykins cheap, if he goes, unsigned.

the rest you can just fill out, maybe bring up Scola.

as I have said, I don't envy Pop and RC this offseason.

KoriEllis
04-02-2003, 07:39 PM
Patrick, fill out your roster with players that would take the minimum. Name them.

CosmicCowboyXXX
04-02-2003, 07:54 PM
What that guys name that plays for the Bullets?

he is playing for the minimum and is pretty good...

Michael...uhhhh

oh yeah....Michael Jordan...get him!

Jimcs50
04-02-2003, 08:00 PM
CC, your Alzhiemers is showing...they have not been the Bullets for 5 yrs, they are the Wizzards now.:)

Patrick Davis
04-02-2003, 08:03 PM
I would hope we could get this, but I doubt it would all happen.

J.O'Neal max
J.Posey 3-4 mil
E.Boykins cheap
K.Willis vet min
D.Dial min
Scola min

I would perfer Speedy to Boykins. But I don't think we will be able to afford him and give him the playing time he wants.

now, how bout your's kori.

Jimcs50
04-02-2003, 08:04 PM
Sign O'Neil, Scola, Willis,Speedy and another journyman PF/center like PJ Brown.

KoriEllis
04-02-2003, 08:17 PM
O'Neal - max
Odom - 3 mil
Skinner - 1 mil
Willis - minimum
Raja Bell - minimum
Mike Batiste - minimum

Patrick Davis
04-02-2003, 08:23 PM
Ohh yeah, if I could get Odom for 3 mil I would be all over it, Odom > Posey, but I doubt we could get him. If we could, I'd be quite happy.

Jimcs50
04-02-2003, 08:23 PM
Kori, why are you not signing Speedy?

KoriEllis
04-02-2003, 08:27 PM
I like Speedy but think he'll get more money somewhere else.

timvp
04-02-2003, 08:35 PM
Okay, everyone has $15M to spend.

Here is how much everyone costs:

$12.5M
Jason Kidd
Jermaine O'Neal

$10.5M
Elton Brand

$7M
Gary Payton
Gilbert Arenas
Michael Olowokandi
Andre Miller
Karl Malone
Lamar Odom
Brad Miller
Jerry Stackhouse
Rip Hamilton
Reggie Miller

$5M
Corey Maggette
Juwan Howard
Rasho Nesterovic
Keon Clark
Jason Terry
PJ Brown
Alonzo Mourning
James Posey
Scottie Pippen
Pegrag Drobnjak

$3M
Eric Piatkowksi
Darrell Armstrong
Kenny Thomas
Tyrone Hill
Derrick Coleman
Elden Campbell
Lucious Harris
Robert Horry
Anthony Peeler

$2M
Dion Glover
Jumaine Jones
Donnell Harvey
Jon Barry
Earl Boykins
Kenny Anderson
Antonio Daniels
Jim Jackson
Speedy Claxton
Voshon Lenard
Steve Smith
Malik Allen
Tyronn Lue
Luis Scola (including buyout)


$1M
DerMarr Johnson
Rafer Alston
Shammond Williams
Brian Skinner
Brian Scalabrine

Minimum ($0)
Travis Best
LaPhonso Ellis
Scott Williams
Tracy Murray
Mark Bryant
Raja Bell
Mike Batiste
Kevin Willis
Mark Jackson
Charles Oakley
Mark Blount
Walter McCarty
Fred Hoiberg
Kendell Gill
Erick Strickland

Jimcs50
04-02-2003, 08:43 PM
We can get Travis Best for minimum???? Hell, they we need to get his ass...he can play.

KoriEllis
04-02-2003, 08:44 PM
Okay, if according to timvp's pricelist I cannot have Odom for cheap, then here's my alternative team... with no max free agent.

Odom 7mil
PJ Brown 5mil
Piatkowski 3mil
Willis min
Bell min
Batiste

baseline bum
04-02-2003, 08:44 PM
Trade 1st round pick for a second rounder with no guaranteed money

MAX-SIGNING

Jason Kidd @ $12 million

REMAINING CAPSPACE

a) Try to sign Alonzo Mourning with the other $3 million if his physical is OK.. huge gamble but a potentially huge payoff too - he's easily the best defensive 5 out there
b) Robert Horry @ $3 million if the Lakers dump him
c) Luis Scola @ $1.75 million, Anthony Peeler @ $1.25 million
d) Luis Scola @ $1.75 million, Lee Nailon @ $1.25 million
e) Luis Scola @ $2.2 million, Brian Scalabrine @ $0.8 million
e) Eric Piatkowski @ $2.2 million, Brian Scalabrine @ $0.8 million

opportunistic minimum pick-ups

FIRST CHOICES:

Mark Jackson
Kevin Willis
Jamal Sampson
Charles Oakley
Steve Kerr

OTHERS:

C - Mark Blount, Mengke Batere
PF - Walter McCarty
SF - Brian Scalabrine
SG - Fred Hoiberg, Voshon Lenard, Kendall Gill, Tracy Murray
PG - Mark Jackson, Steve Kerr, Travis Best, Eric Strickland

timvp
04-02-2003, 08:46 PM
First Option:
C- Jermaine O'Neal ($12.5M)
PF - Tim Duncan
SF - Bruce Bowen
SG - Stephen Jackson
PG - Tony Parker
C - Kevin Willis (minimum)
PF - Malik Rose
SF - Kendell Gill (minimum)
SG - Manu Ginobili
PG - Speedy Claxton ($2M)
C - Scott Williams (minimum)
SG - Steve Kerr (minimum)


Second Option:
C - PJ Brown ($5M)
PG - Tim Duncan
SF - Lamar Odom ($7M)
SG - Stephen Jackson
PG - Tony Parker
C - Kevin Willis (minimum)
PF - Malik Rose
SF - Eric Piatkowski ($3M)
SG - Manu Ginobili
PG - Summer League Find (minimum)
C - Scott Williams (minimum)
SG - Steve Kerr (minimum)

baseline bum
04-02-2003, 08:47 PM
Jermaine O'Neal is eligible to get the same money Kidd can, and will get it because the Spurs, Nuggets, and Jazz would pay it in a heartbeat to get him

timvp
04-02-2003, 08:49 PM
Holy sheet. WTF?:wtf

One of my teams copied the team of the Princess:queen . And I didn't even look at her selections:shock

Lucky guess and even luckier marriage:fro

KoriEllis
04-02-2003, 08:56 PM
Baseline, you are right about O'Neal's salary.

But where did you get that Horry and Peeler are FA's??

timvp
04-02-2003, 08:57 PM
Changed it, BBum.

Are Horry and Peeler free agents? I'm pretty sure Peeler isn't and I'm not sure about Horry.

KoriEllis
04-02-2003, 08:59 PM
According to Patricia's site, neither are FA's.

Robert Horry .......... 7/29/97 7 $35 million t-opt '04

Anthony Peeler ........ ?? 6 $13.1 million p-opt '04

baseline bum
04-02-2003, 09:01 PM
The Lakers hold an option on Horry. Minnesota also holds an option on Peeler, which I don't see them picking up if they have to pay big money to keep Rasho. I think he'll be the odd-man out there, because even if they get Rasho at $6 million or so their payroll will be almost $65 million. Peeler's $3.7 million team option (especially since it will cost them $7.4 million) looks really expensive to me if I'm Kevin McHale, especially if I can keep Kendall Gill more cheaply.

baseline bum
04-02-2003, 09:02 PM
www.hoopshype.com/salaries/minnesota.htm (http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/minnesota.htm)
www.hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm (http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm)

timvp
04-02-2003, 09:03 PM
Base, I'm not sure about Peeler's info being right on that site. The Spurs thought about going after him this summer when they were trying to deal AD, but didn't make the trade because AP wasn't coming off the books 'til 04.

Patrick Davis
04-02-2003, 09:04 PM
Didn't Kerr say he was gonna retire along side David. Could be wrong, but I thought I read that.

timvp
04-02-2003, 09:05 PM
Kerr has left the door open a little bit. He'd probably come back if a team wanted him.

baseline bum
04-02-2003, 09:09 PM
Maybe I'm wrong about Peeler. I'm pretty sure LA has an option on Horry though (they were considering trading him to a team looking to free up space under the cap this offseason, and that $5 million may not look so good if they have an eraly-round flame-out).

KoriEllis
04-02-2003, 09:12 PM
You may be right about Horry. I think I remember reading that somewhere else as well.

Peeler is a big question mark though. I has seen it various places and no consensus on 03 or 04 for the ending year.

pfc2002
04-02-2003, 09:22 PM
Here's what I do:
Rasho at 5 million
Scola
Chris Kaman
Overpriced decent Big (with contract that expires after 2004) from CKaman trade
Devin Brown
Summer league PG

genghisrex
04-02-2003, 09:23 PM
The Lakers definitely have an option on Horry for 2004. That's why he was mentioned as trade bait near the deadline -- i.e. for teams looking to clear 2003 cap space.

KoriEllis
04-02-2003, 09:25 PM
Hi Genghis!

Good to see you.

Who would you spend the money on?

BE RC!
:)

genghisrex
04-02-2003, 09:57 PM
Hey, Kori. :)

Here's my list:

1. Jason Kidd - 12 mil (max)
2.a. Tyrone Hill - 2-3 mil
2.b. Lee Nailon - 1 mil (if Hill comes for 2)
3. Kevin Willis - min
4. Brian Skinner or other young big - min
5. Mark Jackson, Travis Best, Erick Strickland, Steve Kerr, or Shammond Williams - min
6. Voshon Lenard, Kendall Gill, Raja Bell, Calbert Cheaney, or Terrence Morris - min

If Kidd doesn't come, then

1. Jermaine O'Neal - 12 mil (max)
2. Speedy Claxton - 2 mil
3. Lee Nailon - 1 mil
4. Kevin Willis - min
5 & 6. see above

If O'Neal doesn't come, then

1. Brad Miller - 7 mil
2. Lamar Odom - 6 mil
3. Speedy Claxton - 2 mil
4. Kevin Willis - min
5 & 6. see above

KoriEllis
04-02-2003, 10:01 PM
Solid choices Genghis. So you would opt for Kidd before O'Neal?

I am with you on Tyrone Hill being a possibility. Pop loves that guy.

Mark in Austin
04-02-2003, 10:27 PM
I think the cap will go up a little, and that we have some flex in salaries, so I would go after:

Brand and Payton. I know that goes over by 2.5 but I think it could happen.

Then my line up would be

Parker
Payton 7M
Sjax
Brand 10.5M
Duncan

Bench
Ginobili
Rose
Willis min.
Raja Bell min.
Scott Williams min.
draft pick min.
Kerr min.

BUT if I have to play by the rules as written, then I would go after:

Parker
Manu
Odom 7M
PJ Brown 5M
Duncan

Bench

Speedy 2M
Jack
Bowen
Rose
Willis min
Scola 2M
Raja Bell min

Guru of Nothing
04-02-2003, 11:56 PM
I won't bother with the minute details.

First choice: Jermaine O'Neal.

Second Choice: Gary Payton and Brad Miller.

I also want Kevin Willis and Speedy back.

Regarding Jason Kidd, I won't bitch if we sign him, but Parker has improved SO much, right before our eyes. I recall during Duncan's first two years it took us Spurs fans a while before we agreed Duncan was the man in SA, over DRob. Similarly, Tony Parker's stature is mushrooming. A few years from now, when that silly thread pops up, asking who was the greatest steal (or is it gift?) of all time in the draft, Tony Parker might be everyone's obvious response.

Now, having said that, I believe that the game long ago evolved to the point where the lines between the 5 positions on the floor are blurred, and I can buy into a Parker/Kidd backcourt, but mismatches will continue to be a fact of life. To that end, I think Payton (for three years) matched with Parker presents a stronger backcourt than does Kidd/Parker.

Adios

baseline bum
04-03-2003, 12:03 AM
pfc, that's the stupidest idea I've ever seen regarding free agency. I'm both shocked and awed by how bad of an idea that is.

spurster
04-03-2003, 12:27 AM
Brand (10.5M)
Claxton (2M)
Scola (2M)
Willis min
Mark Jackson min
Gill min
Batiste min

timvp
04-03-2003, 01:48 AM
Horry and Peeler added to the list.

Marcus Bryant
04-03-2003, 01:54 AM
Kidd
Tyrone Hill

or

Payton
Miller or KClark or (gag) Olowokandi

or

JO'Neal


No matter what the Spurs will leave this summer with, they will have added some good quality talent. Much more than a NBA contender (hopefully champ) should be able to add. The main problem I have with most Spurs fans is that they are too concerned about filling 'needs' by position. The Spurs cannot pass up on the opportunity to add a great player as a teammate for Duncan. That is why I give Gary Payton, albeit a 35 year old GP, much more weight than some of the younger players. What this team needs most is the kind of player whom you would want Duncan to go into a game 7 with, not just a player who will help you put together a good regular season record. Look at Dallas...they have the best record in the league and they absolutely are horrid versus any of the other contending teams. They manage to beat up on the sorry teams with their collection of talent though.

That's why adding a great player this summer is of paramount concern for me and having a perfect lineup is secondary.

timvp
04-03-2003, 02:05 AM
That is why I give Gary Payton, albeit a 35 year old GP, much more weight than some of the younger players. What this team needs most is the kind of player whom you would want Duncan to go into a game 7 with

Very good point. Of all the available players, Payton might be the player you'd most want on your team in a game 7. That makes him a very intruiging option.

genghisrex
04-03-2003, 02:32 AM
So you would opt for Kidd before O'Neal?Yeah... I've oscillated between the two a little, but I just think that Kidd is a better player with that extra something (more talent/leadership/whatever) that O'Neal doesn't have.

I don't think either of them fits "perfectly" on this team -- O'Neal will cramp some of Duncan's offense and isn't really a center, while Kidd will obviously affect Parker and neither is really a SG.

I guess I feel that Kidd will be more willing or able to adapt his game to fit the team than O'Neal (although I believe that either of them could work very well here). I see Kidd more as a great complementary star, while O'Neal strikes me as a better primary star.

Parker's a great PG, but he has a superb scoring instinct, too, which makes me think that he and Kidd would mesh well.

I could go either way, though, and if Pop/RC can bring one of them to this team, I'll be thrilled.

timvp
04-03-2003, 02:55 AM
I see Kidd more as a great complementary star, while O'Neal strikes me as a better primary star.

Parker's a great PG, but he has a superb scoring instinct, too, which makes me think that he and Kidd would mesh well.

I could go either way, though, and if Pop/RC can bring one of them to this team, I'll be thrilled.

That is a good argument for Jason Kidd, and a main reason why I think Kidd would work.

He'd make Duncan better and could pair with Parker to form a great backcourt. There is a chance that a Kidd/Parker backcourt could implode, but it is a risk worth taking.

O'Neal is also an awesome option. I think he'd be great next to Duncan, especially defensively.

pfc2002
04-03-2003, 03:01 AM
pfc, that's the stupidest idea I've ever seen regarding free agency. I'm both shocked and awed by how bad of an idea that is.

I'm shocked and awed at what an idiot you are. You also one of those wise guys that was sure the lakers were going to win this year and laughed off the people who said the spurs would do it... God I think you are also one of the jackasses who was clamoring for the SAR trade for Rose and SSMith. Not only was that stabbing a loyal player in the back but Malik is playing great and a HUGE part of our success..

You are such a bozo. When you have a championship team of young guys hitting their prime you don't go out and blow 12 million on one guy just because you can...

Man in Black1
04-03-2003, 03:27 AM
:brotha

I'm with G-Rex. Nice call.

Anyways pfc. You don't stand pat just because you've got a team that can win it all. You fine-tune and bring in additional talent because to do so, increases your odds of repeating. This team that we see now will not be the same come July 1. Robinson, Smith, Ferry, possibly Kerr, GONE. Bateer-No man's land, Speedy-Could be here but if Kidd comes, not a chance, and KWill, despite his advanced age, he is still a very good backup. So how can one just stand pat?

I'm hoping that Kidd makes it here and the already rich PJ Brown will find San Antonio to be his greatest chance at winning a title and accept a MLE type contract.
Couple that with a solid core of Tim, Tony, Manu, Malik, & SJax plus some surprises like Scola and other solid but willing to play for the cheap, players. Dynasty...its coming.

A prominent guy once told me..."believe" I'm glad I've never stopped.
:fro

timvp
04-03-2003, 03:47 AM
I'm hoping that Kidd makes it here and the already rich PJ Brown will find San Antonio to be his greatest chance at winning a title and accept a MLE type contract.

I don't see the money to get Kidd AND get someone (Brown) for around $5M. The cap room just isn't there. If you get Kidd, you basically have $2M to fill out the rest of your roster.

Plus you probably won't have the money to bring over Scola either.




P.S.

Believe.

Patrick Davis
04-03-2003, 04:20 AM
You need to make an addition this offseason. Not a gaurd. Possibly a swingman.

gunawanspurs
04-03-2003, 08:35 AM
Hello, people !:)

Newbie in this forum, but should be easy to recognize if you're also a member/ex member of the old/new SR forum
:wink

As my first post, i'd like to drop my 2 centz here about this summer free agency

1st option

Jermaine O'Neal at Max

The rest of caproom to Speedy

Sign Willis, Mark Blount, some young studs ( 2nd # draftees maybe ) at SF and PG spots

2nd option

Gary Payton

a. Brad Miller + keeping up the 1st # draft
b. Rasho + Pike
c. PJ Brown + Pike

After that, getting Kidd is not a bad consolation prize this summer IMHO :vomit

KoriEllis
04-03-2003, 08:48 AM
Welcome gunawanspurs!

Solid first post! :fro

Stick around!

Jimcs50
04-03-2003, 12:09 PM
I am much more handsome than RC Buford.:)

CosmicCowboyXXX
04-03-2003, 12:52 PM
I just have to go with J O'Neal if available...

Ther argument that he might not "work" well with Tim has some merit, but think about the rotations and a core lineup of:

4/5

Duncan
O'Neal
Rose
Scola

1/2/3

Parker
Claxton
Ginobilli
S Jackson
Bowen

Wow!

theres your 9 man playoff rotation
for the next 5 years if Scola works out...

All young to "prime" players...

The most dominant frontcourt in the NBA

The quickest backcourt in the NBA

excellent perimeter defenders in Bowen, Ginobilli, Parker...and SJax and Speedy aren't exactly chopped liver...

the new "Twin Towers" in the paint defensively...

I gotta go with O'Neal if available...

Jimcs50
04-03-2003, 12:59 PM
Hear hear!

Big Syke
04-03-2003, 04:42 PM
Give me Kidd and Scola.

Or Corey Maggette, Tyrone Hill, Lucious Harris and Robert Horry.

Damn talk about awesome role players to add to your championship team.

Holy shit:shock

KoriEllis
04-03-2003, 06:30 PM
Didn't Scola sign for 5 years on his current team?

Is he planning on (or are the Spurs planning on him) being in a Spurs uni soon?

scott
04-03-2003, 06:40 PM
Trade Scola's rights to LA for Kobe Bryant, rework Kobe's contract so that he is making around $1mil a year.

Sign and trade SJax to Orlando for TMac, rework TMac's deal like Kobe's.

Use Stem-Cell technology to fix David Robinson's back

C: Healthy, Techno-DRob
PF: Duncan
SF: TMac
SG: Kobe
PG: Parker

Bench

Malik
Bowen
Manu
Willis
Mark Madsen (part of Kobe trade)
Bateer
talk Zarko Paspaj out of retirement

timvp
04-03-2003, 06:43 PM
Welcome G. Make yourself at home.

Big Syke - Those are indeed some nice role players to fit under the cap. Good job.

SpursForever
04-03-2003, 07:01 PM
If I'm RC Buford, I'm scared.

Patrick Davis
04-03-2003, 07:26 PM
way to dodge the question SF. why don't you actually try answering it.

Marcus Bryant
04-03-2003, 09:21 PM
Yeah, there's nothing more to be scared of than TD, TP, Ginobili, Rose, SJax, Clax, and $15 million in cap space.

Scary indeed.

baseline bum
04-03-2003, 09:25 PM
How scared can one be with most of a title-contender returning intact and the money to add a Hall-of-Fame caliber player on top of that?

timvp
04-03-2003, 09:59 PM
Unless Buford is scared of options, I think he'll be a'ight.

Truthsayer
04-03-2003, 10:07 PM
I doubt O'neal and Kidd are going anywhere. Elton Brand will probably wait till he is an unrestricted FA before he moves.

Therefore:
PG - Parker, Speedy
SG - Payton, Manu, Jackson
SF - Bowen, Jackson
PF - Karl Malone, Luis Scola
C - Duncan, Malik, Willis

Duncan is already playing center much of the time.

Speedy is a great player, but I think a lot of GM's question his durability. I think he can be re-signed for $1.5M. I don't think re-signing Speedy counts against the cap.

Payton, two yr contract - $6.5M, $7.5M
Malone, two yr contract - $6.5M, ($7.5M team option)
Scola, three yr contract - $2.0M, $2.2M, $2.4M
Speedy, three yr contract - $1.5M, $1.7M, ($2.0M player option)
Willis, two yr contract - vet minimum

Starting lineup:
PG - Parker
SG - Payton
SF - Bowen
PF - Karl Malone
C - Tim Duncan

Pretty damn awesome!

Man in Black1
04-03-2003, 10:41 PM
:brotha

See, I"m not Kidd slanted :fro

Truthsayer has a seriously viable lineup that evokes thoughts of a dynasty.

Marcus Bryant
04-03-2003, 10:59 PM
Karl Malone? No thanks. He will demand the rock too much and when he doesn't get it, he will complain. He's all about breaking Abdul-Jabbar's record at this point.

Big Syke
04-03-2003, 11:25 PM
F Karl Malone. San Antonio doesn't want him.

Truthsayer
04-03-2003, 11:31 PM
Karl will score more with fewer shots. Playing next to Payton, Parker, and Duncan - no one can afford to double Malone.

I think Karl wants a ring.

Mark in Austin
04-04-2003, 01:25 AM
The idea of Payton and Maolone intrigues me. But I think it will take three year contracts to get either one of 'em.

(BTW, Malone would only have to average 8 pts a game to break the record in the 3 year time frame)

timvp
04-04-2003, 01:49 AM
I don't know about Payton and Malone. Both are up there in age and both are used to being focal points. I'm not sold that they'd be able to handle being role players for the Spurs.

Maybe one of them, but both of them would cause problems.

Patrick Davis
04-04-2003, 04:23 AM
All you brand lovers, would you take Malone for one season if we could get Brand the next. I don't know if it would work out, but would you if you could?

Truthsayer
04-04-2003, 06:17 AM
Stockton and Malone shared the spotlight for many years without the soap opera that exists in LA. I don't see Malone as having an ego problem.

As for Payton, I think he really wants a ring. He's always played great defense and Pop likes that. He'll have a young stud or two behind him (Manu and Jack) and that will keep him on his toes.

baseline bum
04-04-2003, 12:56 PM
Claxton's going to cost the team capspace, so I don't think he should be brought back unless the Spusr are very unsuccessful this summer or Speedy agrees to a minimum deal.

Big Syke
04-04-2003, 04:36 PM
Are you guys CRAZY?!? Why would you want to give Malone a ring. Let steroid infested rogaine boy retire with nothing. Wanting Malone goes against everything about being a Spurs fan:cuss

Patrick Davis
04-04-2003, 05:21 PM
Malone is also a great pf. I was posing the question, he signs for one year to get his ring. then we get Brand the next season. Good team for years to come. Just an option. Some people can look past hatred to good basketball.

baseline bum
04-04-2003, 05:45 PM
This is the one extension to the Holting-pattern I am for, if RC can get some kind of verbal commitment from Brand after he signs for the qual-offer.

timvp
04-04-2003, 05:48 PM
Extending this cap space would be a tough task, I would assume. The only way to get it done is to sign only 1-year contracts this offseason. That would probably mean losing guys like Stephen Jackson and Speedy Claxton.

Plus, the cap space would be less because the current contracts will count more against the cap next season.

baseline bum
04-04-2003, 06:05 PM
timvp, Im going to guess a $42.5 million cap in 2004-05.

Assuming Duncan doesn't opt out the Spurs have $24.2 million comitted to 3 players (I'm including the slot Duncan's salary will take in the team's capspace while he is a free agent). Brand's deal will be $10.625 million. About $3 million will go for roster spots under 11. I'm not sure if Ginobili counts 150% of his prev salary for his qual offer, or 300% of his prev salary. If 150% it will cost $2.3 million and the Spurs would still have room for Jax to be making about $2.7 million. If it's 300% for Manu the Spurs would just squeeze enough room in for Brand.

Not my first option, but in the off-chance they could get an oral agreement from Elton and get Malone to play one season it doesn't seem too bad. I love Jax, but I'd move him in a second to get Brand.

timvp
04-04-2003, 06:19 PM
I agree that Brand is the type of player that you bend over backwards for. If you can get him, you get him.

pfc2002
04-04-2003, 06:27 PM
Not my first option, but in the off-chance they could get an oral agreement from Elton and get Malone to play one season it doesn't seem too bad. I love Jax, but I'd move him in a second to get Brand.

you're the guy that said you were shocked and awed about my ideas' being so bad right right? This is the worst one I've heard so far.

You'd get rid of an important memeber of what looks to be a championship team that has given us a new look will sign for realitively cheap for Karl Malone and an oral commitment from EBrand? you'd be laughed out any GMs office in the nba (even Scott Layden) if you gave that plan AND mentioned you thought you knew basketball in the same sentence. that is truly priceless...

genghisrex
04-04-2003, 06:31 PM
Well, of course. SJax >>> Brand. Duh. Idiots. :rolleyes

pfc2002
04-04-2003, 06:35 PM
hehehhe... that's your response. I don't even know what to say to you ghengis you either a) thought altanta would have made a deal for DFerry and SSmith for SAR or b) can't admit that now that we are primed for a championship shipping either BBowen or Malik for SAR was absolutely stupid. You've proven your (lack) of basketball smarts.

the point is SJAX + whoevever after winning a championship >>>> EBrand in 2004 with 40 year old Karl Malone. I can't imagine anyone who knows the buisness of basketball wouldn't smile when they heard that.

genghisrex
04-04-2003, 06:39 PM
pfc, you've hardly proven your point w.r.t. to Atlanta. The reason the Hawks wouldn't go for that is because they wanted equivalent talent -- i.e. SAR is worth boat loads more than Smitty + Rose/Bowen/Kerr/Ferry.

pfc2002
04-04-2003, 06:45 PM
You can never know how we would have done with SAR on this team. What we do know is that we look like we are going to win it all without him + will have room for a Max FA next year. ALSO 2 very important pieces do things that SAR couldn't Bowen is the best perimeter defender we have, Malik can play center and clear some space (in fact he can guard shaq) -- SAR can do neither. definately not a sure thing that we'd be a better team with SAR on it.

We win the championship and we have the cap space, Bowen and Malik were important parts pretty mucheveryone this side of you will acknowledge that it was a blessing that it didn't happen.

FYI to the folks out there. the goal is to win as many championships as you can NOT find a guy willing to get paid MAX money. THANKS

genghisrex
04-04-2003, 07:19 PM
You can never know how we would have done with SAR on this team. What we do know is that we look like we are going to win it all without him + will have room for a Max FA next year. ALSO 2 very important pieces do things that SAR couldn't Bowen is the best perimeter defender we have, Malik can play center and clear some space (in fact he can guard shaq) -- SAR can do neither. definately not a sure thing that we'd be a better team with SAR on it.You're absolutely right -- not a sure thing. Had the SAR deal been on the table -- which we know it wasn't -- it's a risk I would have taken unless we knew that another top player (Kidd, O'Neal, or Brand) was a lock to come here. I'm not ashamed by that as you apparently think that I should be.


We win the championship and we have the cap spaceCap space is meaningless unless we use it, which you apparently are opposed to doing.


Bowen and Malik were important parts pretty mucheveryone this side of you will acknowledge that it was a blessing that it didn't happen.I don't think many people are complaining about it not happening, but at the same time I don't think it's quite as black-and-white as you'd like to think. I'm happy where the Spurs are, no doubt. I believe we'd be here with SAR, and I'd be happy there too. I don't think I'm the only one that feels this way, but if I am, so what? I have my convictions and I'm sticking to them.

Believe it or not, pfc, I'm not quite as vested in the FO's moves as you may think. I'm a big Spurs fan, I'm opinionated, and I like to play "fantasy GM" as much as anybody else. When it comes down to it, though, I fully recognize that Pop/RC are calling the shots and that no matter how much I campaign for this move or protest another it matters exactly diddly squat.

pfc2002
04-04-2003, 07:27 PM
Believe it or not, pfc, I'm not quite as vested in the FO's moves as you may think. I'm a big Spurs fan, I'm opinionated, and I like to play "fantasy GM" as much as anybody else. When it comes down to it, though, I fully recognize that Pop/RC are calling the shots and that no matter how much I campaign for this move or protest another it matters exactly diddly squat.

I'm a big spurs fan too and also like to play "fantasy gm" -- I too know that no one that matters gives a rats arse about what I think. Pop/RC have done a great job so I trust they got some good stuff up their sleaves.

I like that people have opinions and I like having an opinion. It's just when some one someone blasts mine and says they are "shocked and awed" at how stupid it was :rolleyes and then comes up with that :wtf ...

baseline bum
04-04-2003, 09:45 PM
pfc, you ignorant slut - you want to sign a shitty rebounder like Rasho just so you can be under the cap to make the same offer to Manu that the team can make no matter who it signs. You have Rasho and Scola taking Rose's place too, so don't give me this shit about being loyal to the players who get us there.

Sign Rasho at $5 million (no fucking way - he'll cost at least $6 M)
Sign Scola at $2 million
Sign Jax at $3 million
trade first rounder next season
draft scrub bitch Chris Kaman this season & give 3 yr guaranteed deal
sign a bunch of shitty scrubs to one-year deals

2004-05 comitted salary

$13.2795 M - Tim Duncan salary slot
$5.5 M - Rasho
$4.725 M - Rose
$4.106667 M - Bowen
$3.3 M - Jackson
$2.2 M - Scola
$1.545 M - Parker
$1.4677 M - 4 empty roster spots under 11
$0.7197 M - scrub Chris Kaman

TOTAL - $36.844 M

Assume a cap at $42.5 M
capspace = $5.656 M

MCX will likely be about $5 M, so you've wasted $7 M of cap space just to pay Manu an extra $650 K. Brilliant

Peter
04-04-2003, 10:56 PM
Pass on Kidd/JO'Neal/Payton for Nesterovic? F*ck that.

pfc2002
04-04-2003, 11:05 PM
what kind of dipshit are you?? you think Chris Kaman is going to be available as the last pick in the first round -- you are absolutely on crack -- the guy will be top 10 NO DOUBT. If you think Chris Kaman is a scrub you haven't watched college basketball at all.

The numbers 5 Million were the one assumed by Timvp in his post on numbers to work with -- I agree there is no way he'll get 5 million but I was workign with the numbers we got.

what kind of retard are you? Karl Malone instead of SJax so you could get Brand in 2004. that's epic... win a championship sign some fossil so you can get your max free agent.

you think scola is going to get 2 million???? are you crazy?
that's like the salary of the 10 th pick in the first round

Man in Black1
04-05-2003, 12:23 AM
:brotha

Hmm....

Chris Kaman....

I look at him and I think back in all the basketball I've watched and I see....2 players. Kent Benson or Steve Stiponovich.

All-world in College and then in the NBA...mediocre at best.

Patrick Davis
04-05-2003, 04:57 AM
Kaman may be allright, I'll take someone I know what I'm getting.

KoriEllis
04-06-2003, 01:50 PM
So I guess we are all in agreement that RC's job this summer won't be easy -- but it sure will be fun! :smokin2

Big Syke
04-07-2003, 04:19 PM
Kaman is good if you haven't seen him play you will be surprised.

T Park Num 9
04-07-2003, 11:28 PM
J oneal

Voshon Leonard

Kendall Girl errr Gill



resign Speedy Jack and Manu to an extension.

genghisrex
04-16-2003, 02:12 PM
Manu can't be extended, T Park. The CBA only allows contracts of 4+ years to be extended.

timvp
04-17-2003, 02:47 PM
The more I see Parker perform and the more I watch JO'Neal, the more I think that the answer to the riddle of Summer 2003 resides in Indy.

Marcus Bryant
05-07-2003, 07:19 PM
WTF?

The Spurs can pay Manu the MCE in 2004. You don't pass on a Kidd or JO'Neal for him. Sorry.

Nbadan
05-19-2003, 05:39 AM
I don't think the Spurs pass on Jermaine or Jason either, but what if they pass on San Antonio? Let's have a discussion about who the Spurs should go after if O'Neal and Kidd are out of the picture.

I for one, believe the Spurs should take a 2 year chance on Mourning.

T Park Num 9
06-17-2003, 05:50 AM
prob is marcus, in two years Manu may be worth MORE than the MCE.

Give manu two offseasons to improve and gel with Duncan??

Good lord.




Jermaine Oneal
resign Willis
resign Jack
resign Speedy
vet min for Mike Batiste
vet min for Lucious Harris


Trade draft pick for future number ones with teams like Clippers or Bucks.

Especially the Bucks.
Who will be a lottery team this time next year.

Aggie Hoopsfan
06-17-2003, 06:21 PM
Kaman's stock is dropping. No thanks anyways, I'd rather offer PJ Brown.

AHF

T Park Num 9
06-20-2003, 04:25 AM
Kaman is a stiff.

Can you say, Greg Kite?


I still go along with the Spurs draft someone for someone and trade him somewhere else for future picks or second round picks
or who knows, a package deal for a certain player.

Rick Von Braun
06-26-2003, 11:54 PM
Well... Chris Kaman stock didnt' drop that much... he was pick #7 after all.

-R

Rick Von Braun
06-26-2003, 11:56 PM
Nbadan said:
I for one, believe the Spurs should take a 2 year chance on Mourning.

Hmm.. that might be an intresting idea if JO, Kidd, and Brand are not available. I guess it all depends on the medical report.

-R

Aggie Hoopsfan
06-27-2003, 01:15 AM
Rick,

Come on now, the Clippers?

AHF