ACA Upheld

[Will Hunting]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/17/politics/supreme-court-affordable-care-act-obamacare/index.html

7-2 opinion, with Alito and Gorsuch dissenting.

[Spurtacular]

Pity post.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I thought it was already upheld by McCain and Co. in 2017?

The only thing that doesn't exist from the original ACA is the individual mandate which was stupid in the first place.

[ChumpDumper]

Pity post.

What do you think a pity post is, derp?

Be specific. Don't show me your crying post or your folding post.

[hater]

:tu good

[Leetonidas]

What do you think a pity post is, derp?

Be specific. Don't show me your crying post or your folding post.


:lmao making a pity post 1 minute after a thread is made. dude is such a try hard but just looks like a complete fool constantly

[Reck]

COVID Barrett coming in clutch. :lol

[Will Hunting]

COVID Barrett coming in clutch. :lol
Too early to know for sure but so for ACB has been a lot more moderate than I expected. I was sure she'd be another Uncle Thomas/Alito.

[Will Hunting]

:lmao Uncle Thomas filing a concurring opinion where he pisses and moans about the ACA w/o getting any of the other justices to join it.

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I thought it was already upheld by McCain and Co. in 2017?

The only thing that doesn't exist from the original ACA is the individual mandate which was stupid in the first place.

...and that about drove Hussein nutty-nuts, the race hustlin' bastard.

[Ef-man]

...and that about drove Hussein nutty-nuts, the race hustlin' bastard.

Not as nutty-nuts as trump who has of yet provided an alternate health care plan.

Trump’s repeal and replace idea was as flawed from the beginning as he had no plan.

His only goal was to appease the big pharma political donation crew and to screw all the poor/middle class that were sick.

[DMX7]

What do you think a pity post is, derp?

Be specific. Don't show me your crying post or your folding post.

He's dumb as a rock. He still doesn't know. :rollin

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Not as nutty-nuts as trump who has of yet provided an alternate health care plan.

Trump’s repeal and replace idea was as flawed from the beginning as he had no plan.

His only goal was to appease the big pharma political donation crew and to screw all the poor/middle class that were sick.

Hussein setting that (mandate with monetary fines prominently placed) was the poison pill into the ACA that is pure Hussein, that fuck. "I'll show these dissidents."

Uh, uh.

[boutons_deux]

This red state governor is pushing to expand Medicaid after the Supreme Court upheld Obamacare

the Democratic governor of Kansas called for her state to finally expand Medicaid expansion.

""Today's Supreme Court decision is a victory for more than one million Kansans with a preexisting condition and the future health of our workforce,"

"It's clear that the Affordable Care Act is the law of the land, and

it's time for Kansas to join 38 states and the District of Columbia by expanding Medicaid

to support our economic growth,

protect our rural hospitals, and

provide quality, affordable healthcare to 165,000 Kansans,"

https://www.rawstory.com/kansas-medicaid-expansion

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This red state governor is pushing to expand Medicaid after the Supreme Court upheld Obamacare

the Democratic governor of Kansas called for her state to finally expand Medicaid expansion.

""Today's Supreme Court decision is a victory for more than one million Kansans with a preexisting condition and the future health of our workforce,"

"It's clear that the Affordable Care Act is the law of the land, and

it's time for Kansas to join 38 states and the District of Columbia by expanding Medicaid

to support our economic growth,

protect our rural hospitals, and

provide quality, affordable healthcare to 165,000 Kansans,"

https://www.rawstory.com/kansas-medicaid-expansion

Race hustler Hussein's mandate is gone.

Knock yourself out.

[ElNono]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/17/politics/supreme-court-affordable-care-act-obamacare/index.html

7-2 opinion, with Alito and Gorsuch dissenting.

Fortunately it was Ken Paxton arguing this case in front of the SCOTUS, tbh... a more seasoned lawyer would've probably put the law in peril...

[Will Hunting]

Fortunately it was Ken Paxton arguing this case in front of the SCOTUS, tbh... a more seasoned lawyer would've probably put the law in peril...
Lack of standing is a pretty black and white issue, only reason SCOTUS took this case up was to clean up the 5th circuit’s trash opinion. I don’t think a better lawyer changes much.

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Lack of standing is a pretty black and white issue, only reason SCOTUS took this case up was to clean up the 5th circuit’s trash opinion. I don’t think a better lawyer changes much.

We changed that barrel of shit race hustler Hussein's $ mandate by God. That was his proudest lay in on that law. He got giddy like when he coerced CNN, well they coerced each other on doctoring the video on the son he never had, but wanted instead of those two daughters he sired, who, if they missed one fucking branch falling the down the ugly tree I ain't defending NBA Champion for the 17th fuckin' time, Will.

"Wake-up, Len, WAKE-UP!!!"

Get some, Will.

[Will Hunting]

We changed that barrel of shit race hustler Hussein's $ mandate by God. That was his proudest lay in on that law. He got giddy like when he coerced CNN, well they coerced each other on doctoring the video on the son he never had, but wanted instead of those two daughters he sired, who, if they missed one fucking branch falling the down the ugly tree I ain't defending NBA Champion for the 17th fuckin' time, Will.

"Wake-up, Len, WAKE-UP!!!"

Get some, Will.
Incoherent boomer gibberish

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Incoherent boomer gibberish

Yeah, I'll just bet it is.

[Chucho]

Yay! A bullshit system that is built around insurance instead of actual healthcare. The governments will crack down on who can go into bathrooms but nary a politician will dare to start a movement for reformation of the actual healthcare of the American people and then there are some here that literally defend it with "capitalism" and laughing emojis last time there was a discussion about it.

[boutons_deux]

Ted Cruz Calls Obamacare a Democratic Plot to Keep People Alive So They Can Vote

WASHINGTON —Outraged by the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision to preserve Barack Obama’s signature legislative achievement, Senator Ted Cruz called the

Affordable Care Act “a thinly veiled Democratic plot to keep people alive so they can vote.”

“A long time ago, Democrats figured out that live people were far more likely to vote than dead ones,” Cruz charged.

“Make no mistake: the Affordable Care Act is a calculated scheme to increase the number of live people.”

He went on,

“Democrats will stop at nothing to get people to vote.

They will get them ballots.

They will get them bottled water.

And, yes, if necessary, they will keep them from dying of a preexisting condition.

It disgusts me.”

Cruz added that, unlike Democrats,

Republicans have “no intention whatsoever of keeping people alive,”

and pointed to Texas’s new “constitutional carry” gun law as a shining example.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/ted-cruz-calls-obamacare-a-democratic-plot-to-keep-people-alive-so-they-can-vote (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/ted-cruz-calls-obamacare-a-democratic-plot-to-keep-people-alive-so-they-can-vote)

[boutons_deux]

Missouri voters for Medicaid Expansion

shithole MO shitbag, homicidal Repug governor nullified their votes, blocked Medicaid Expansion

[spurraider21]

Yay! A bullshit system that is built around insurance instead of actual healthcare. The governments will crack down on who can go into bathrooms but nary a politician will dare to start a movement for reformation of the actual healthcare of the American people and then there are some here that literally defend it with "capitalism" and laughing emojis last time there was a discussion about it.
What are your thoughts on universal single payer or multi payer healthcare provided by tax $

[Will Hunting]

Yay! A bullshit system that is built around insurance instead of actual healthcare. The governments will crack down on who can go into bathrooms but nary a politician will dare to start a movement for reformation of the actual healthcare of the American people and then there are some here that literally defend it with "capitalism" and laughing emojis last time there was a discussion about it.
When you see perfunctory bothsidesism like this^ from conservatives, it's because they have no way to defend their party impeding common sense healthcare reform so they deflect by saying Democrats are equally culpable.

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When you see perfunctory bothsidesism like this^ from conservatives, it's because they have no way to defend their party impeding common sense healthcare reform so they deflect by saying Democrats are equally culpable.


You always used "bothsidesism" Will. We'd never do it till Trump came along and showed us the way, made us fight. That's what galls ya. You had the whole playing field to yourselves.

No more of that happy horseshit. Uh, uh.

[Will Hunting]

We'd never do it
:lmao

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:lmao

:lmao

[Chucho]

When you see perfunctory bothsidesism like this^ from conservatives, it's because they have no way to defend their party impeding common sense healthcare reform so they deflect by saying Democrats are equally culpable.

Um no. This is a generations-old issue. ACA has been a giant financial burden on too many families, IF this helps, great. But it really hasn't changed much aside from "millions more are covered" yet here we are a decade plus later arguing about who gets to be covered.

But yeah, instead of discussing an issue, your auto response was "bothsideism". I didn't say anything to prop up Conservative points other than the system is bullshit and the government is ridiculous for not regulating.

[Will Hunting]

What are your thoughts on universal single payer or multi payer healthcare provided by tax $
Those won't work nearly as well as Trump's plan to sell insurance across state lines would!

Just imagine how much costs would go down if Blue Cross Blue Shield of Georgia was directly competing with Blue Cross Blue Shield of Maryland!!! :lmao

[Chucho]

What are your thoughts on universal single payer or multi payer healthcare provided by tax $

Are our tax dollars best spent on medical care or getting people medical coverage? There's a giant difference and why we're still arguing for people with pre-existing conditions Administrations and decades later. I guess holding the entirety of our government *edit* accountable is "bothsideism".

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Are our tax dollars best spent on medical care or getting people medical coverage? There's a giant difference and why we're still arguing for people with pre-existing conditions Administrations and decades later. I guess holding the entirety of our government is "bothsideism".

Chooch:::the voice of reason & moderation in troubled times.

21:::a horse's patootie.

[Will Hunting]

Um no. This is a generations-old issue. ACA has been a giant financial burden on too many families, IF this helps, great. But it really hasn't changed much aside from "millions more are covered" yet here we are a decade plus later arguing about who gets to be covered.

But yeah, instead of discussing an issue, your auto response was "bothsideism". I didn't say anything to prop up Conservative points other than the system is bullshit and the government is ridiculous for not regulating.
You're propping up conservatives by broadly saying "the government" is not regulating when it's actually Democrats who are trying to regulate things like drug prices while conservatives get in the way. It's an intentional obfuscation to avoid discussing what the actual obstacle to healthcare reform is.

[Will Hunting]

I guess holding the entirety of our government *edit* accountable is "bothsideism".
Uh yeah actually, glibly blaming the politicians who want healthcare reform just as much as you blame the politicians who actively obstruct healthcare reform is by definition what bothsidesism is.

By your logic any time there's a car accident "the entirety of the drivers" should receive equal blame :lol

[Chucho]

You're propping up conservatives by broadly saying "the government" is not regulating when it's actually Democrats who are trying to regulate things like drug prices while conservatives get in the way. It's an intentional obfuscation to avoid discussing what the actual obstacle to healthcare reform is.

See, just say that. But no, you try to frame everyone of differing opinion into one label because that's not what I meant.

And then made a whataboutism post. LOL

Look pal, you could argue easy ignorance, but don't be an assumptive douche hard to have a dialogue with.

[Will Hunting]

See, just say that. But no, you try to frame everyone of differing opinion into one label because that's not what I meant.

And then made a whataboutism post. LOL

Look pal, you could argue easy ignorance, but don't be an assumptive douche hard to have a dialogue with.
So what did you mean exactly?

[Chucho]

Uh yeah actually, glibly blaming the politicians who want healthcare reform just as much as you blame the politicians who actively obstruct healthcare reform is by definition what bothsidesism is.

By your logic any time there's a car accident "the entirety of the drivers" should receive equal blame :lol

Been multiple administrations. The best solution we got was forced medical insurance programs that eliminated choice and coverages as premiums rose year over year and hurt as many as it helped. What good is being "Covered" if we're still arguing over if coverage takes care of everyone.

And LOL with a hard-sell comparison.

[Chucho]

So what did you mean exactly?

I mentioned no side. Me saying "the government" triggered you into hella assumptions and saw you create a whataboutism to fit your view of me.

The ACA sucks. Everyone involved in making it a flawed system sucks. It can be fixed easily and on the cheap with regulation. A ticket to selected coverages sucks.

Just LOL.

[Will Hunting]

Been multiple administrations. The best solution we got was forced medical insurance programs that eliminated choice and coverages as premiums rose year over year and hurt as many as it helped. What good is being "Covered" if we're still arguing over if coverage takes care of everyone.

And LOL with a hard-sell comparison.
I'm definitely not denying that the ACA was a trash healthcare plan that didn't address the actual problem of cost, but it seems like we disagree as to why it was such a trash bill.

[Will Hunting]

I mentioned no side. Me saying "the government" triggered you into hella assumptions and saw you create a whataboutism to fit your view of me.

The ACA sucks. Everyone involved in making it a flawed system sucks. It can be fixed easily and on the cheap with regulation. A ticket to selected coverages sucks.

Just LOL.
So who's getting in the way of regulating? God knows there have been plenty of proposals and efforts to regulate healthcare costs as long as I've been alive, somehow none of them ever get enough votes in congress. Why is that?

[Chucho]

I'm definitely not denying that the ACA was a trash healthcare plan that didn't address the actual problem of cost, but it seems like we disagree as to why it was such a trash bill.

It's insurance focused and does nothing to lower actual healthcare costs and/or improve the quality. I can't be convinced insurance that makes most of the patients and practices choices is a trash system.

[Chucho]

So who's getting in the way of regulating? God knows there have been plenty of proposals and efforts to regulate healthcare costs as long as I've been alive, somehow none of them ever get enough votes in congress. Why is that?

As in your entire life or just recently?

Because recently, the Cult. Overall, during the modern times everyone has had a chance to regulate it.

As long as lobbying exists, our country will always be for sale. The reason I voted Trump in 16 was because I fell for draining the swamp and pretty much jumped off the wagon a few months into. So...yeah, that didn't work out...

[Will Hunting]

It's insurance focused and does nothing to lower actual healthcare costs and/or improve the quality. I can't be convinced insurance that makes most of the patients and practices choices is a trash system.
Sorry I wasn't clear. We agree on why it's a trash bill, it seems like we disagree on how it became a trash bill.

[Will Hunting]

As in your entire life or just recently?

Because recently, the Cult. Overall, during the modern times everyone has had a chance to regulate it.

As long as lobbying exists, our country will always be for sale. The reason I voted Trump in 16 was because I fell for draining the swamp and pretty much jumped off the wagon a few months into. So...yeah, that didn't work out...
My entire life. Heck, even before I was born, Ted Kennedy had a healthcare proposal that would have been infinitely better than what we have now.

And I guess it depends on what you mean by had a chance to regulate it. You need 60 votes in the senate to regulate anything, and even when Obama had 60 "Democrats" in the senate for a few months, 1 of them was Joe Lieberman, who's sole focus at that point was setting up a cushy insurance lobbyist job for himself once his term in the senate was over, which is how the healthcare bill that originally passed in the house in 2009 that actually had cost controls and a public option got chopped up and turned into an insurance industry blowjob.

The Democrats are far from perfect, but right now they're the party that relies exponentially less on lobbying money than the GOP does and seems at least partially beholden to the voters who put them in office.

[spurraider21]

Are our tax dollars best spent on medical care or getting people medical coverage? There's a giant difference and why we're still arguing for people with pre-existing conditions Administrations and decades later. I guess holding the entirety of our government *edit* accountable is "bothsideism".
government provided care would turn doctors/hospitals into government employees/enterprises. government provided coverage (like medicare) is still pretty popular among those who have that coverage.

government provided coverage would certainly be an upgrade to what we have now, imo. it seems to work abroad.

[ElNono]

Lack of standing is a pretty black and white issue, only reason SCOTUS took this case up was to clean up the 5th circuit’s trash opinion. I don’t think a better lawyer changes much.

Funnily enough, the lack of standing is derived from the GOP gutting the penalty, which means there's no actionable damage to the States. Talk about shooting themselves in the foot.

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Funnily enough, the lack of standing is derived from the GOP gutting the penalty, which means there's no actionable damage to the States. Talk about shooting themselves in the foot.

We were never going to turn that over once McCain lived long enough to thumb it down. Christ, he hung on and on and on. Just long enough.

And frankly that is what I thought Ginsburg was going to do, just to smite us. The kicker, El? They were stupid not to be put her on a ventilator.

I digress...once McCain shit the bed we had to be happy just to get the mandate/monetary damages wiped out. And we did. The former aim (to wipe it out) was beyond the pale. The mandate was the common sense bullseye and we nailed it, denying race hustler Hussein his onions, that disturbed fuck.

McCain hung on, the stubborn old bastard.
RBG's family had the decency not to be put her in state of suspended animation, or, whatever the fuck the term is.

[Will Hunting]

Funnily enough, the lack of standing is derived from the GOP gutting the penalty, which means there's no actionable damage to the States. Talk about shooting themselves in the foot.
Their argument was that an bill originally passed in 2010 was made unconstitutional by an amendment to said bill passed in 2017, thus the 2010 bill itself should be gutted rather than the actual amendment that made it unconstitutional. It was a totally incoherent argument.

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Their argument was that an bill originally passed in 2010 was made unconstitutional by an amendment to said bill passed in 2017, thus the 2010 bill itself should be gutted rather than the actual amendment that made it unconstitutional. It was a totally incoherent argument.

Bottom line, Will:::you got no mandate, no bar to monetarily punish people for skipping it. That was the linchpin, the mean spirit that ruled, well, rules race hustler extraordinaire Hussein. That's his thing. Like mother fucker Biden getting installed and immediately closing down the pipeline. BINGO. $1 a gallon price increase, like always when your side gets in there. Stick it to the American, first thing, every time.

The Trumpster had that all taken care of...that Yogi scribe got sliced to ribbons by SRB, , or, ACT, whatever that ragheads name is. Did Trump take a fit? No, because what does it mean when 1 media member is dismembered. It means it's a good start, Will, a good start. But I digress...President Trump jumped on it and the Bat Phone:::"Hey compadre'...I'll make sure you're untouchable, you keep oil at $__ a barrel. Si'?"

"A thank a you, a Mr. a Presi-a-dent. You a good a man. I a send you a dozen of a Jordan Almonds like at the picture a show. Say hi to a Mel. A Chow!"

"Gesundheit, mi' amigo. I have to hang up now, we're fixin' to eat. Some old coot from Arizona sent me a cornbread. Bye."

"Mel,,,lots of butter, so Dale says."

tee, hee.

[Will Hunting]

Bottom line, Will:::you got no mandate, no bar to monetarily punish people for skipping it. That was the linchpin, the mean spirit that ruled, well, rules race hustler extraordinaire Hussein. That's his thing. Like mother fucker Biden getting installed and immediately closing down the pipeline. BINGO. $1 a gallon price increase, like always when your side gets in there. Stick it to the American, first thing, every time.

The Trumpster had that all taken care of...that Yogi scribe got sliced to ribbons by SRB, , or, ACT, whatever that ragheads name is. Did Trump take a fit? No, because what does it mean when 1 media member is dismembered. It means it's a good start, Will, a good start. But I digress...President Trump jumped on it and the Bat Phone:::"Hey compadre'...I'll make sure you're untouchable, you keep oil at $__ a barrel. Si'?"

"A thank a you, a Mr. a Presi-a-dent. You a good a man. I a send you a dozen of a Jordan Almonds like at the picture a show. Say hi to a Mel. A Chow!"

"Gesundheit, mi' amigo. I have to hang up now, we're fixin' to eat. Some old coot from Arizona sent me a cornbread. Bye."

"Mel,,,lots of butter, so Dale says."

tee, hee.
I don't speak retarded boomer, if you want to have a conversation with me clean your brain up and start typing in plain English like a normal person.

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I don't speak retarded boomer, if you want to have a conversation with me clean your brain up and start typing in plain English like a normal person.

Please. Get over yourself, Will. When did you become such a tight ass? Christ, you're President, or, at least fake President. And now, NOW, you pick the time to be crabby and distant.

[Will Hunting]

Please. Get over yourself, Will. When did you become such a tight ass? Christ, you're President, or, at least fake President. And now, NOW, you pick the time to be crabby and distant.
You never used to be so incoherent. Trump losing has made you and all the other MAGAboomers turn into exponentially larger mouthbreathing retards than they already were.

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You never used to be so incoherent. Trump losing has made you and all the other MAGAboomers turn into exponentially larger mouthbreathing retards than they already were.

Bullshit, I've always talked in the 3rd person when in a humorous mood.

You're a hard ass. Snap out of it, please.

[Winehole23]

ACA-mandated free preventive care got struck down by a federal judge, as a violation of religious freedom.


. For the reasons discussed, the remaining Plaintiffs have shown theyare entitled to declaratory and injunctive relief as to their RFRA claims and to declaratory andinjunctive relief and to a universal remedy with respect to their Appointments Clause claim as itrelates to PSTF. Separate final judgment shall issue.SO ORDERED this 30th day of March, 2023https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.330381/gov.uscourts.txnd.330381.113.0_2.pdf


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FseQ7CGaYAcZ3MJ?format=png&name=smallhttps://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/09/prep-hiv-religious-employer-preventive-care.html

[Winehole23]

distinct necropolitical vibe. it's all about the relative disposability of other people.



"your continued existence offends my religion."

[Winehole23]

Surprised no comment here.

This will affect millions of people and does not seem calculated to maintain current US life expectancy.

[boutons_deux]

Will it go to SCOTUS?

I'm pretty sure biden's DOJ will appeal

[boutons_deux]

Surprised no comment here.

This will affect millions of people and does not seem calculated to maintain current US life expectancy.

Spiting the knitter

And

Cruelty is the point

The states that did not expand Medicaid have a higher mortality rate than those states that did. Repugs, the party of death

[boutons_deux]

Weaponizing religious freedom

[Millennial_Messiah]

Surprised no comment here.

This will affect millions of people and does not seem calculated to maintain current US life expectancy.
current US life expectancy sucks and trails europe by a large margin.

the far right wants no healthcare and basically medical darwinism to play out and the far left wants everyone to live to around 75-80 and be euthanized at a specific age to balance the national budget. Healthcare is a lose lose situation.

[Winehole23]

current US life expectancy sucks and trails europe by a large margin.

the far right wants no healthcare and basically medical darwinism to play out and the far left wants everyone to live to around 75-80 and be euthanized at a specific age to balance the national budget. Healthcare is a lose lose situation.US life expectancy is ~77 today. If you're trying to exaggerate, you're failing.

[Millennial_Messiah]

US life expectancy is ~77 today. If you're trying to exaggerate, you're failing.

which is down from before and very mediocre and near the bottom of the first world countries. Being ranked near 50th in life expectancy in a world with ~200 countries is definitely nothing to brag about

[Winehole23]

which is down from before and very mediocre and near the bottom of the first world countries. Being ranked near 50th in life expectancy in a world with ~200 countries is definitely nothing to brag aboutjust pointing out that the extravagant promise of the far left -- life until 80! -- is possibly still within reach.

[Winehole23]

for many women, it might be.

[Hank Scorpio]

which is down from before and very mediocre and near the bottom of the first world countries. Being ranked near 50th in life expectancy in a world with ~200 countries is definitely nothing to brag about

https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1642505978615672832
https://images.mktw.net/im-398467?width=1280&size=1

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/12/16/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses-promo-1608170893853/covid-19-vaccine-doses-promo-1608170893853-superJumbo-v381.png

[boutons_deux]

Before covid vaccines, death rate for repugs and dems was about equal

Trash was the leader in down playing both the pandemic and then vaccines



After a vaccines, the death rate for repugs was greater than For Dems

[Millennial_Messiah]

https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1642505978615672832




The only real correlation I see that applies to pretty much everywhere is race. For example look at the American Indian counties scattered across the USA, from Wisconsin and South Dakota to the west to pretty much the entirety of Alaska. They are fully vaxxed, democrat leaning counties and generally have medicaid. However they are still dying on average in their 50s and 60s.

The Mississippi Delta area of MS, medicaid notwithstanding, and the high percentage of fully vaxxed blacks that live there are another good example. It's not the vax. It's the food, and the lifestyle.

It's whites living longer because they're smarter and eat healthier. And, exercise, and generally don't gain too much weight. Both liberal and conservative whites.

Ever go to Yazoo City and find a broccoli? I couldn't. Greasy Friiiiiiiiiiied chicken, greasier deep-fried fries and cheesy battered and fried tater tots, though? You bet!!! :D