Another Uncle Denise has Appeared!

[B1gduff]

[The Athletic] The New Orleans Pelicans have been unable to put together the right elements to make rising star Zion Williamson and his family happy, and multiple sources have told The Athletic that certain family members want Williamson on another team.

a part of the article;
Parting ways with Stan Van Gundy after just one season is not the biggest problem facing the New Orleans Pelicans. They have been unable to put together the right elements to make rising star Zion Williamson and his family happy, and multiple sources have told The Athletic that certain family members want Williamson on another team.

Seriously the Nba needs to stop this kind of bs in the league. Dude and his family are pissed? it's only been two years, Zion has only played 85 games into thsoe two years. What the point of having Contracts if a player and his famiy are going to bitch out after only 2 years?

[John B]

Zion has expressed that he's always happy playing in Madison Square Garden. That's probably where he is going. These diva players are spoiled, of course they all follow LeBron, KD, Harden. I mean, I don't fault players who want to play where they want, but I also respect like Giannis' loyalty to the Bucks for signing early, killing all speculations, especially since Lakers signed his scrub younger brother undoubtedly just to lure him. Of course there is the higher incentive to resign with the original team who drafted, etc. I don't know what else to protect the small market teams from becoming doormats to these players.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

It would be sad for the Pels if Zion bolts from NO as well.

I'm pulling for the Bucks to somehow win it all. Really anyone but New Jersey or the Clippers.

But yeah, small market teams are toast in this new prima donna era of superstars getting whatever they want.

[The Truth #6]

It’s all about personal branding, marketing opportunities, and making more money...for the family. Sadly, it feels like basketball is just the gateway. It’s why the league is becoming a joke—there’s very little foundation left. It’s all buzz.

[stephen jackson]

At least the mavs and the pelicans try to keep their stars happy firing whoever they need too to keep em, but it can be a fruitless endeavor. Who knows

[KobesAchilles]

If he gets injured one more time though nobody is going to be offering him max contracts. The only team that would do it is NO and if is injury plagued then upset family or not he will stay in NO. He has the potential to be an MVP but also the potential to be a John Wall contract. High risk/reward

[superbigtime]

Can't picture this guy playing for more than 5 or 6 years

[4lifecowboy]

The mentality of this generation is going to destroy the league as a whole. 10 years from now smaller market teams won't be able to survive.

[lmbebo]

Its really hampering the game/league. Sure the big city markets love it, but can't imagine the total nba fan base is in love with this crap.

[lefty]

The mentality of this generation is going to destroy the league as a whole. 10 years from now smaller market teams won't be able to survive.
lol thinking it wasn't like that back in the good old days :lmao

[4lifecowboy]

lol thinking it wasn't like that back in the good old days :lmao

No it wasn't like this

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

He'll have to be ready to risk the designated rookie extension, which will be over $200 mil to sign the qualifying offer, which is $17 mil. While $17 mil is a lot he'll only be able to sign a normal max contract after that and wouldn't be eligible for the supermax. He might make up the difference from commercials in a big market, but it's a huge risk for an injury prone player. There might be some rookie who'd do this eventually, but I doubt Zion would be the one.

The best thing such players could do would be to force a team to trade them during their rookie deals. If it gets to the QO players are at a huge financial disadvantage.

Fans of small market teams should hope these floodgates never open.

[BackHome]

I agree Zion will have a good career but it will be short due to his hips so his best bet is to get as much money as possible as soon as he can get it. But maybe he is one of the few people who doesn’t place a high value on money and just wants to be in a city he likes and have fun.

[baseline bum]

He'll have to be ready to risk the designated rookie extension, which will be over $200 mil to sign the qualifying offer, which is $17 mil. While $17 mil is a lot he'll only be able to sign a normal max contract after that and wouldn't be eligible for the supermax. He might make up the difference from commercials in a big market, but it's a huge risk for an injury prone player. There might be some rookie who'd do this eventually, but I doubt Zion would be the one.

The best thing such players could do would be to force a team to trade them during their rookie deals. If it gets to the QO players are at a huge financial disadvantage.

Fans of small market teams should hope these floodgates never open.


He'd be a moron to go the QO route with his weight and injury history. If he successfully forces a trade early enough so his new team can offer supermax I hope the owners opt out next summer, lock the players out, and force a hard cap.

[exstatic]

At least the mavs and the pelicans try to keep their stars happy firing whoever they need too to keep em, but it can be a fruitless endeavor. Who knows

WTF are you taking about? The Mavs just fired a guy, and PISSED OFF their star.

[exstatic]

He'd be a moron to go the QO route with his weight and injury history. If he successfully forces a trade early enough so his new team can offer supermax I hope the owners opt out next summer, lock the players out, and force a hard cap.

A hard cap won’t necessarily solve it. Removing the limit on MAX salary, even in the current structure, might. These divas are all cool with playing together as long as they’re all getting as much as they can. What if one of them wants like $65M? You think the others are going to take the scraps to go join him? Let their own greed spread the talent around.

[Texas_Ranger]

Stupid Pelicans, how couldnt u build this guy, that played under 90 games, a championship team. Even tho, if he was that good, he should have had them in the playoffs, cause the team aint even that bad. Pussy ass faggot.

[DeRozan m8]

What a fucking pussy

They've actually put some nice pieces around him, coach may have been a mistake but they're fixing that.

Time this fat cunt got into shape and lived up to his hype, Pelicans and Ingram deserve more

Cunt

[baseline bum]

A hard cap won’t necessarily solve it. Removing the limit on MAX salary, even in the current structure, might. These divas are all cool with playing together as long as they’re all getting as much as they can. What if one of them wants like $65M? You think the others are going to take the scraps to go join him? Let their own greed spread the talent around.

Sorry, forgot to write hard cap + nonguaranteed contracts. I hate the idea that modern NBA contracts only bind teams into paying underperforming players but are meaningless when a player actually worth his contract decides he wants out.

[Perry Mason]

The NBA / owners could fix this problem. Tougher rookie contracts; penalties for refusals to play or leaking damaging commentary about the team or wanting changes to the media. All would be enforceable. This needs to happen IMHO, or the product will keep suffering. Ratings are already terrible. Up to the owners to embrace the old school, hard-nosed culture of coaching and ownership.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

This overweight fuckhead will end up in yellow and purple. Seems destiny

[rjv]

and now, John Hollinger is reporting that NOLA is the NBA franchise least likely to relocate within the next 10 years.

[Dejounte]

Such a great future wow

[lefty]

No it wasn't like this

You are right it was even worse back then.

They were divas even before playing their 1st NBA game
Magic said if thr Bulls and not the Lakers won the coin toss he would play 1 more year in College.
He didn’t want to play for a shit team like thr Bulls and wanted to play with Kareem in L.A

[Seventyniner]

and now, John Hollinger is reporting that NOLA is the NBA franchise least likely to relocate within the next 10 years.

Least? Are you sure you don't mean most? The Lakers or Knicks would move before the Pelicans?

Or do the Pelicans have some sort of extremely restrictive contract that won't let them leave in the next decade unless the new owners pledge their first-born children or some such?

[toki9]

Least? Are you sure you don't mean most? The Lakers or Knicks would move before the Pelicans?

Or do the Pelicans have some sort of extremely restrictive contract that won't let them leave in the next decade unless the new owners pledge their first-born children or some such?

I thin RJV probably meant "most".

I believe this is the relevant article from the Athletic: "While the Pelicans benefit from being able to share some resources with the NFL’s Saints (Benson owns both teams), this is not a market that does gangbusters financially. With the team only committed to its lease in The Big Easy through 2024, sources consistently mention New Orleans as the most likely team to seek relocation in the coming decade. To be clear, Benson is deeply connected to New Orleans and not currently seeking to sell, but losing money while finishing in the lottery has not been an enjoyable side venture to the main business of running the Saints."

[The Truth #6]

Hopefully the Pelicans, not the Spurs, get shipped to Vegas.

[Seventyniner]

I thin RJV probably meant "most".

I believe this is the relevant article from the Athletic: "While the Pelicans benefit from being able to share some resources with the NFL’s Saints (Benson owns both teams), this is not a market that does gangbusters financially. With the team only committed to its lease in The Big Easy through 2024, sources consistently mention New Orleans as the most likely team to seek relocation in the coming decade. To be clear, Benson is deeply connected to New Orleans and not currently seeking to sell, but losing money while finishing in the lottery has not been an enjoyable side venture to the main business of running the Saints."

Thanks, this makes much more sense. imo Seattle is the city most likely to get a relocated team, but I don't remember what their arena situation is.

[Gagnrath]

I agree Zion will have a good career but it will be short due to his hips so his best bet is to get as much money as possible as soon as he can get it. But maybe he is one of the few people who doesn’t place a high value on money and just wants to be in a city he likes and have fun.

The in a city he likes and have fun honestly seem to go a long way to describe Kahwi. Unc and fam are the ones on the money. Leonard is cool playing ball for NBA money any place but between organization and fam he picks fam Everytime even when it puts him in an unpopular spot.

[exstatic]

The in a city he likes and have fun honestly seem to go a long way to describe Kahwi. Unc and fam are the ones on the money. Leonard is cool playing ball for NBA money any place but between organization and fam he picks fam Everytime even when it puts him in an unpopular spot.

No. Not even close. Leonard is NOT cool playing ball any place for NBA money, or he would have stayed in Toronto. He always wanted LA, to the point that he left money on the table ($39M) to go there.

[rjv]

the question is: will zion be the first player to turn down the rookie max extension?

[GreekSpursfan]

It would be sad for the Pels if Zion bolts from NO as well.

I'm pulling for the Bucks to somehow win it all. Really anyone but New Jersey or the Clippers.

But yeah, small market teams are toast in this new prima donna era of superstars getting whatever they want.

this

[exstatic]

the question is: will zion be the first player to turn down the rookie max extension?

Since the advent of the first round rookie scale in the 90s, I can think of two, and there were surely others: Michael Olowokandi and Rasho Nesterovich. Not only did they turn down their extensions, they both signed their year 5 QO and walked out the door.

[rjv]

Since the advent of the first round rookie scale in the 90s, I can think of two, and there were surely others: Michael Olowokandi and Rasho Nesterovich. Not only did they turn down their extensions, they both signed their year 5 QO and walked out the door.

do you happen to know the amount of those extensions? it'd be interesting to see how much more zion would be walking away from. there has to be a reason that it's been almost 20 years since a rookie has turned down the extension.

[Gagnrath]

Family wanted LA... Doesn't seem like Kahwi cared.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Kind of interesting if Zion has similar family dynamics to Leonard. He's certainly more marketable than Kawhi, but he's also very injury prone and I'm not clear on whether he'll have Kawhi's work ethic. His career could prove to be a disappointment if he's not careful. But, maybe he'll follow the Anthony Davis route and coattail his way to a title. Sounds like that's the plan.

[Dingle Barry]

Seattle will get an expansion team. I believe they have some of the money lined up for an arena already.

[daslicer]

Seattle will get an expansion team. I believe they have some of the money lined up for an arena already.

What does Seattle have to do with Uncle Dennis?

[Mark in Austin]

A hard cap won’t necessarily solve it. Removing the limit on MAX salary, even in the current structure, might. These divas are all cool with playing together as long as they’re all getting as much as they can. What if one of them wants like $65M? You think the others are going to take the scraps to go join him? Let their own greed spread the talent around.

Agreed. 10 years ago I would have argued against a hard cap but now it is the only check on the player empowerment era that makes any sense...

[johnnymoore]

No it wasn't like this

Wilt - forced his way to L.A.
Kareem - forced trade to L.A. (N.Y. was 2nd choice)
Elway - forced his way to Denver
Eli Manning - forced his way to NYC
Gretzky - forced trade to L.A.
Schilling - forced his way to Red Sox
Clemens - forced his way to the Yankees

Happens all the time. The difference is it didn't used to play out in the media.

[Dingle Barry]

What does Seattle have to do with Uncle Dennis?

Nothing, I was responding to another post but neglected to quote it.

[florige]

Wilt - forced his way to L.A.
Kareem - forced trade to L.A. (N.Y. was 2nd choice)
Elway - forced his way to Denver
Eli Manning - forced his way to NYC
Gretzky - forced trade to L.A.
Schilling - forced his way to Red Sox
Clemens - forced his way to the Yankees

Happens all the time. The difference is it didn't used to play out in the media.


Yeah that's all true, but super team forming wasn't hardly a thing like it is now. The earliest super team I remember was Drexler and Barkley going to Houston. Nowadays that's like a norm. No way it wouldn't be a Brooklyn/Clippers Finals if Kawhi wasn't vagina hurt again, and Kyrie and Harden weren't injured.