Why are super progressive cities dystopian hellholes?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Nope.

https://i.imgur.com/PdYcLXH.png

that graph proves nothing... the million dollar question I asked is "what defines the DFW Arlington metro area"? Is it specifically Fort Worth to the east Dallas suburbs and excluding areas west of I35W / north of I-820 / TX-183/114/121.

[Will Hunting]

Work from home though? Most (medium or large) companies that did work from home since March of 2020 are allowing either permanent WFH for the employees that are adjusted to WFH and have tenure working from home for the company, or at very worst hybrid system where they'll ask you to go in one week or two out of the month, with travel expenses paid or reimbursed by the company. I don't know what company you work for but you seem to be in the educated white-collar WFH-caliber tier type of work.

My best friend in Fort Worth just had a second baby and has been working from home for 2 years now, he says he'll never go "back to the office" -- 9-5 office work day for most white collar jobs is dead.

I've been completely WFH since 03/13/2020 and will never go back to the office either citing that COVID-19 has given me a permanent disability of "social anxiety" which means I have to work remotely in order to succeed. It's mostly bullshit, but, the truth is I don't miss the days of commuting in traffic literally 10 times a week, even when gas prices were reasonable.

Living in Vermont seems ideal if you can get great wifi up there to work remotely. Property taxes are low compared to New Hampshire which has high property tax and no sales tax; so if you really need to go to a Walmart or Costco to stock up in bulk, just take an hour or less drive east to your nearest NH big box store and shop where there's no sales tax.

EDIT: they actually have a Costco right by Burlington though. :lol so no need to waste all that gas to drive to south of Manchester if you need to go to a store like that.
https://www.costco.com/warehouse-locations/colchester-vt-314.html
Yeah I guess I could move up there since I'm WFH, but I don't really have a job that I know I'm going to want to still have 10 yrs from now, and it'd be harder to find a new job if I'm all the way up in Burlington.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yeah I guess I could move up there since I'm WFH, but I don't really have a job that I know I'm going to want to still have 10 yrs from now, and it'd be harder to find a new job if I'm all the way up in Burlington.

I'm pretty confident WFH will be the norm for such careers as yours or mine the further we move into the digital age regardless of covid et al. You say you're in finance; my best friend is a financial analyst who majored in finance, but guess what? The lines between finance, IT, data analytics, decision science, risk management etc. are rapidly becoming blurred. Today's financial analysts are using Excel and even are likely to have at least a working reading understanding of stuff like SQL and even Python. All of that stuff can be done from home. You don't have to be a programmer per se to score a long term high-paying WFH career. Maybe they'll ask you to travel like a few times a year but if you're in say Burlington VT you can afford to commute to some big city 3-4 times a year no problem without giving up your cushy home office.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Gainesville, GA


The bleach spill is the third chemical spill at the plant in 14 months. The two previous leaks in 2021 happened when the plant was under different ownership.


In January 2021, six workers died when a line carrying nitrogen was ruptured (https://www.ajc.com/news/crime/a-deadly-day-at-a-georgia-poultry-plant-an-aching-aftermath/WJMAUPZ5F5E6HEAIWF65T457LM/), releasing a frigid, odorless cloud. Less than two months later complaints of an ammonia leak emerged (https://www.ajc.com/news/crime/feds-investigate-latest-leak-at-gainesville-poultry-plant-where-6-died/OYRFWV4QA5GCFGORWEHLVSV53Y/).

Labor advocates say the recurrence of chemical leaks at the poultry plant is indicative of workers’ lax safety rights in the meatpacking industry.https://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-news/recurring-chemical-leaks-rattle-poultry-workers/RMAW2YA4FBBNRNCZCXIXHACYCM/

[SnakeBoy]

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[ElNono]

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Mental health is a big issue. Fortunately this wasn't that Texas shithole where 19 kids got mowed down, tbh...

[Ef-man]

Strict gun laws in NY work.

[SnakeBoy]

Strict gun laws in NY work.

The NY mass shooting was only a week ago :lol

[Ef-man]

The NY mass shooting was only a week ago :lol

The one in upstate NY where the white suprematist killed the black folk and you were so moved by the tragedy to posted this shit? How caring of you.


He looks Ukrainian


Called it

[SnakeBoy]

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[ElNono]

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Either old footage or fake news... LAPD retired Crown Vics in 2020:

https://www.hotcars.com/lapd-crown-victoria-cop-car-facts/

You fell for it all the same...

[DMC]

Either old footage or fake news... LAPD retired Crown Vics in 2020:

https://www.hotcars.com/lapd-crown-victoria-cop-car-facts/

You fell for it all the same...
From 2014.

[Winehole23]

turns out crime has risen about as much in rural as urban areas.

what do they have in common?

epochal economic and social dislocation due to COVID, tbh

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[ElNono]

turns out crime has risen about as much in rural as urban areas.

what do they have in common?

epochal economic and social dislocation due to COVID, tbh

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Scaring suburbanites is simply more effective, as it's a much larger population.

[Winehole23]

the more money they get, the worse they do.

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[Winehole23]

inefficient bureaucracy, tbh

[DMC]

the more money they get, the worse they do.


Sounds like another group of people we know.

[SnakeBoy]

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[Ef-man]

Great, all we need, more ducks.

Educators no longer need college degree to teach in Arizona public schools.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/PWFXTq6/Screen-Shot-2022-07-12-at-1-35-51-AM.png

Saw this earlier today. Los Angeles Saturday afternoon. Homeless man attacked her with a club. This is Olympian. Represented your country, our country.

I remember couple months ago young employee raped and murder by homeless. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often as they are lined up and in communities now.

#1 comment by foreigners when they visit California

[FrostKing]

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Ah didn't see. Yeah I live here. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often. Must be frightening for women. Locals know which areas to avoid.

[FrostKing]

Edit: Remember it was problem for short time in Germany and people were outraged. Authorities stepped in.

The homeless are increasing here in California. It seems drugs are keeping them hiding. Breaking into cars becoming more frequent. But calculated group hits on homes in this neighborhood was stopped shortly.

I don't see big picture solution in California or the West. How can this country not allow gun ownership??

[ElNono]

Edit: Remember it was problem for short time in Germany and people were outraged. Authorities stepped in.

The homeless are increasing here in California. It seems drugs are keeping them hiding. Breaking into cars becoming more frequent. But calculated group hits on homes in this neighborhood was stopped shortly.

I don't see big picture solution in California or the West. How can this country not allow gun ownership??

Shooting them up or jailing them isn't a solution to that problem, tbh...

[DMC]

Shooting them up or jailing them isn't a solution to that problem, tbh...

Shooting them needs to be revisited

[FrostKing]

Shooting them up or jailing them isn't a solution to that problem, tbh...
I don't know solution. Why does Europe seem to avoid this?

[Chucho]

California has zero inclination to solve the homeless problem they are exclusively responsible for.

Many of the myths are already dispelled. 85+% of CA homeless are CA natives, they don't know for certain because LA decided it wasn't important to count the homeless and get demographic information. They cited "Covid concerns". This count was scheduled for this past April when everyone had been moving about Cali maskless for about 6 months prior to.

The state enables the drug market, businesses and residents simply don't report most of the homeless crimes because the police have been neutered and can't/wont do anything about them.

The people paying the exorbitant taxes to live in the shithole that is downtown LA are getting really sick and tired of it. Same goes in the Bay area, Portland and Seattle. Seattle might be the biggest shithole of all, to be honest. They're never going to get another NBA franchise with how disgusting that city has become.

There's no hyperbole here. In California in 2022, being a derelict junkie gives you more freedoms than being an upstanding citizen.

Morally and intellectually dishonest people will try and brag about this place, but cosigning this state and government is basically Alt-Lefters trying to pwn the Repugz.

[Chucho]

I don't know solution. Why does Europe seem to avoid this?

Because Europe isn't openly genociding the working classes out of existence like California is intent to do.

[SnakeBoy]

I don't know solution. Why does Europe seem to avoid this?

It's pretty simple...Incarcerate criminals, institutionalize mentally ill.

After that the conversation (rehabilitation/treatment) becomes more complicated but you can't move onto step two without completing step 1. Modern libs seem to think the kind thing to do is just let these people live in squalor and have :cryfeelings:cry as they drive by them.

[DMC]

There's no solution to homelessness in California short of removing them. Cali spent 500m to address gender equality while people are being attacked by homeless folks on the streets. The NIBYs ensure no decent housing units or work start programs will happen in affluent areas. If everything has to be in the slums, you'll get slum people.

[FrostKing]

Because Europe isn't openly genociding the working classes out of existence like California is intent to do.
This is true but not the main reason I think brother.

I do see more and more people living in their cars....

[SnakeBoy]

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[ElNono]

I don't know solution. Why does Europe seem to avoid this?

If you been to Paris, Madrid, etc, you would've seen them. Then you have a better social network in Europe, along with less drug usage.

ie:
https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/drug-use/by-country/

[ElNono]

California has zero inclination to solve the homeless problem they are exclusively responsible for.

Many of the myths are already dispelled. 85+% of CA homeless are CA natives, they don't know for certain because LA decided it wasn't important to count the homeless and get demographic information. They cited "Covid concerns". This count was scheduled for this past April when everyone had been moving about Cali maskless for about 6 months prior to.

The state enables the drug market, businesses and residents simply don't report most of the homeless crimes because the police have been neutered and can't/wont do anything about them.

The people paying the exorbitant taxes to live in the shithole that is downtown LA are getting really sick and tired of it. Same goes in the Bay area, Portland and Seattle. Seattle might be the biggest shithole of all, to be honest. They're never going to get another NBA franchise with how disgusting that city has become.

There's no hyperbole here. In California in 2022, being a derelict junkie gives you more freedoms than being an upstanding citizen.

Morally and intellectually dishonest people will try and brag about this place, but cosigning this state and government is basically Alt-Lefters trying to pwn the Repugz.

I live in LA, tbh... you see tons of these people that have a car and live in it, for example. This is stuff you don't see in other States. The lack of affordable housing is a huge part of this.

Also, during COVID you would rarely see them. Back then they put most of them into hotel and motels (look up Project RoomKey). That program ended though, now it's back to what it was.

[ElNono]

There's no solution to homelessness in California short of removing them. Cali spent 500m to address gender equality while people are being attacked by homeless folks on the streets. The NIBYs ensure no decent housing units or work start programs will happen in affluent areas. If everything has to be in the slums, you'll get slum people.

There is a solution, and it does start with affordable housing and a middle finger to NIMBYs, tbh

[ElNono]

This is true but not the main reason I think brother.

I do see more and more people living in their cars....

Yep, I was pretty surprised about that. In NJ, Texas, even Vegas, you see the typical hobo, but not that.

[DMC]

Starbucks closing 16 stores in dystopian hellholes.

"After careful consideration, we are closing some stores in locations that have experienced a high volume of challenging incidents that make it unsafe to continue to operate," a spokesperson told CNN Business in an email.
The stores are in Seattle; Los Angeles; Philadelphia; Washington, DC, and Portland, Oregon. They will be closed by the end of July.


RACIST!!!!!

[SnakeBoy]

Starbucks closing 16 stores in dystopian hellholes.

"After careful consideration, we are closing some stores in locations that have experienced a high volume of challenging incidents that make it unsafe to continue to operate," a spokesperson told CNN Business in an email.
The stores are in Seattle; Los Angeles; Philadelphia; Washington, DC, and Portland, Oregon. They will be closed by the end of July.


RACIST!!!!!

:lol

[DMC]

Starbucks closing 16 stores in dystopian hellholes.

"After careful consideration, we are closing some stores in locations that have experienced a high volume of challenging incidents that make it unsafe to continue to operate," a spokesperson told CNN Business in an email.
The stores are in Seattle; Los Angeles; Philadelphia; Washington, DC, and Portland, Oregon. They will be closed by the end of July.


RACIST!!!!!

Left up in here..

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[Th'Pusher]

Starbucks closing 16 stores in dystopian hellholes.

"After careful consideration, we are closing some stores in locations that have experienced a high volume of challenging incidents that make it unsafe to continue to operate," a spokesperson told CNN Business in an email.
The stores are in Seattle; Los Angeles; Philadelphia; Washington, DC, and Portland, Oregon. They will be closed by the end of July.


RACIST!!!!!

Likely a business decision based primarily on ROI. Nothing to see here.

[Spurminator]

Left up in here..

https://i.gifer.com/g2vI.gif


A whole 16? How many locations do you think Starbucks has in those cities? :lmao

:cry Why won't anyone respond to my stupid post, I'm so lonely :cry

[Winehole23]

Likely a business decision based primarily on ROI. Nothing to see here.backlash against labor organizing might be part of that calculation

[DMC]

Likely a business decision based primarily on ROI. Nothing to see here.

They explained it in plain English. :lol

[DMC]

A whole 16? How many locations do you think Starbucks has in those cities? :lmao

:cry Why won't anyone respond to my stupid post, I'm so lonely :cry

16 fewer than before :lol

[Winehole23]

They explained it in plain English. :lollol reflexively swallowing corporate PR

[Spurminator]

16 fewer than before :lol

Not for long.

[SnakeBoy]

16 fewer than before :lol

:lol

[DMC]

lol reflexively swallowing corporate PR

:lol acting like "too many thugs" is better PR than "financial decision".

[ElNono]

Starbucks closing 16 stores in dystopian hellholes.

"After careful consideration, we are closing some stores in locations that have experienced a high volume of challenging incidents that make it unsafe to continue to operate," a spokesperson told CNN Business in an email.
The stores are in Seattle; Los Angeles; Philadelphia; Washington, DC, and Portland, Oregon. They will be closed by the end of July.

RACIST!!!!!

Frankly, as somebody living Los Angeles, there's a Starbucks seemingly every 5 blocks since there's one in almost every supermarket as well.

Always reminds me of Duane Reade in New York, but I didn't think it was sustainable.

[ElNono]

Small sample:

https://snipboard.io/mQPEer.jpg

How many do you need?

[DMC]

Frankly, as somebody living Los Angeles, there's a Starbucks seemingly every 5 blocks since there's one in almost every supermarket as well.

Always reminds me of Duane Reade in New York, but I didn't think it was sustainable.

Why shift the narrative to "Starbucks is lying"? What need do they have to say it's due to incidents and just look at those cities :lol This seems like some creative soft shoe from the left here to avoid admitting even the left thinks these cities are shitholes.

[koriwhat]

Why shift the narrative to "Starbucks is lying"? What need do they have to say it's due to incidents and just look at those cities :lol This seems like some creative soft shoe from the left here to avoid admitting even the left thinks these cities are shitholes.

They are shit holes. LA was a shell of what it was when I first visited back in like 2005 to when I last visited in 2019. Disgusting city but still there's some shimmer of light to it. Maybe I just got old but it seemed more homeless occupied that city as well as a very shitty people. I enjoyed half the time I was out there though.

[DMC]

The excuse and misdirection crew came in like a spec ops team :lol

[SnakeBoy]

Portland’s mayor declares state of emergency due to historic levels of gun violence

:lmao

[DMC]

Portland’s mayor declares state of emergency due to historic levels of gun violence

:lmao
Probably economic downturn, Mayor is using a convenient excuse. There's no gun violence in Portland.

[ElNono]

Portland’s mayor declares state of emergency due to historic levels of gun violence

:lmao


Probably economic downturn, Mayor is using a convenient excuse. There's no gun violence in Portland.

Wheeler said the goal is to reduce fatal shootings by 10% over the next two years by increasing community-based interventions.

:tu:tu:tu

[DMC]

Wheeler said the goal is to reduce fatal shootings by 10% over the next two years by increasing community-based interventions.

:tu:tu:tu

He should have Antifa police the district with bats.

[ElNono]

He should have Antifa police the district with bats.

maybe hand them over the local PD SWAT gear...

[monosylab1k]

A whole 16? How many locations do you think Starbucks has in those cities? :lmao

:cry Why won't anyone respond to my stupid post, I'm so lonely :cry

:lol

[ElNono]

Why shift the narrative to "Starbucks is lying"? What need do they have to say it's due to incidents and just look at those cities :lol This seems like some creative soft shoe from the left here to avoid admitting even the left thinks these cities are shitholes.

I missed this post. Who said they're lying? Certainly not in my post.

[DMC]

I missed this post. Who said they're lying? Certainly not in my post.


backlash against labor organizing might be part of that calculation


lol reflexively swallowing corporate PR

[Winehole23]

the Republican firehose of lies has something to do with this misperception

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[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfejbU7XkAYxKTv?format=jpg&name=medium

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[Blake]

Which conservative city is a Utopian paradise?

[Joseph Kony]

what happened to fat fuck DMC anyway? did he finally die from his morbid obesity?

[spurraider21]

what happened to fat fuck DMC anyway? did he finally die from his morbid obesity?
conscripted in russia

[boutons_deux]

Why are rural youth migrating from their toxic s*** hole counties to urban areas for better jobs and education and lifestyle?

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[boutons_deux]

Yep, I was pretty surprised about that. In NJ, Texas, even Vegas, you see the typical hobo, but not that.

People having enough money to own a car but not enough to afford a house or rent

[Winehole23]

OMG I saw a homeless person!

https://crooksandliars.com/files/mediaposters/2022/10/51269.jpg



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[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Filch1PWAAEjdwx?format=jpg&name=medium


Some causes of death other than homicide seem pretty relevant to assessing safety. Your risk of getting killed on the subway or in a subway station is much higher in New York City than in a place with no subway, for example, but if you add up all risks related to getting to work or school or wherever else it is you need to go, it’s a different story. New Yorkers are only about as third as likely to die in transportation accidents of any kind as Americans are overall. Put homicide and transportation risks together, and New York starts looking like a refuge from the American carnage (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-20/full-text-president-donald-trump-s-2017-inaugural-address?sref=c4Ex4pvh).https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-06-07/is-new-york-city-more-dangerous-than-rural-america

[Winehole23]

The overall lesson seems to be that the more urban your surroundings, the less danger you face. High homicide rates in some cities mean that the central counties in large metropolitan areas are on the whole slightly more dangerous than the suburban counties, but that’s the only exception. The risk of death from truly external causes, as defined here, is three times higher in rural and small-town America than in the country’s largest city.

[boutons_deux]

Repugs pander to their ignorant, stupid rurals in toxic counties by LYING about city life.

"suicides of despair" from drugs, guns, alcohol are more prevalent in rural counties, causing a drop in whites' longevity even before the pandemic.

[vy65]

The super progressive metropolis of Houston, Texas is under a boil water notice today ...

[Winehole23]

The super progressive metropolis of Houston, Texas is under a boil water notice today ...the hollowing out of the commons and contempt for public goods is where the emphasis belongs in this thread, tbh.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

U.S. News Best Places to Live rankings

2019: Austin #1
2021: Austin #5
2022: Austin #14
2023: Austin #40

[Adam Lambert]

I've had the privilege of spending the last week in the dystopian hellhole of London and about to head to the even more dystopian hellhole of Paris. Please pray for my safety. I don't know how people survive in this dystopia when they could live in Waco instead.

[Extra Stout]

The crime thing is not entirely red versus blue. There are regional cultures at play too. The Northeast has a vastly lower crime rate than the equally blue Pacific Northwest. Portland, Seattle, and San Francisco have ridiculous property crime rates, whereas New York and Boston do not. This has been a rapid change over the past fifteen years.

I don’t like rural Southern whites because in my experience 90% of them are hateful racists who come at me because of whom I married, but sociologically it has been interesting to watch that cohort rapidly adopt all the social dysfunction, including violent crime, of the black underclass. We could discern root causes of poverty and dysfunction of both groups if we wanted to.

But we don’t.

I also think it’s interesting that an overtly white supremacist fascist movement in Idaho doesn’t have near the violent crime problem that the equally white supremacist fascist South does.

Thoughts?

[Extra Stout]

Oh, and wresting the America’s Biggest Shithole title away from past winners Detroit and St. Louis is…

Albuquerque.

How did that happen? Did they decide that glory was to be found in emulating the drug-underworld TV shows set there?

[Winehole23]

The crime thing is not entirely red versus blue. There are regional cultures at play too. The Northeast has a vastly lower crime rate than the equally blue Pacific Northwest. Portland, Seattle, and San Francisco have ridiculous property crime rates, whereas New York and Boston do not. This has been a rapid change over the past fifteen years.

I don’t like rural Southern whites because in my experience 90% of them are hateful racists who come at me because of whom I married, but sociologically it has been interesting to watch that cohort rapidly adopt all the social dysfunction, including violent crime, of the black underclass. We could discern root causes of poverty and dysfunction of both groups if we wanted to.

But we don’t.

I also think it’s interesting that an overtly white supremacist fascist movement in Idaho doesn’t have near the violent crime problem that the equally white supremacist fascist South does.

Thoughts?What you're saying reminds me of this cultural take on gun violence I read the other day based on the book American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America (http://https://nationhoodlab.org/a-balkanized-federation/)

Not sure how that maps onto Idaho vs Deep South, if I had to guess, I'd venture that guns in Idaho have historically been more related to brute survival than enforcing a racial caste system.


Once you understand how the country was colonized — and by whom — a number of insights into the problem are revealed.


Forget the U.S. Census divisions, which arbitrarily divide the country into a Northeast, Midwest, South and West using often meaningless state boundaries and a willful ignorance of history. The reason the U.S. has strong regional differences is because our swath of the North American continent was settled by rival colonial projects that had very little in common, often despised one another and spread without regard for today’s state boundaries.


Those colonial projects — Puritan-controlled New England, the Dutch-settled area around what is now New York City; the Quaker-founded Delaware Valley; the Scots-Irish-led upland backcountry of the Appalachians; the West Indies-style slave society in the Deep South; the Spanish project in the southwest and so on — had different ethnographic, religious, economic and ideological characteristics. They were rivals and sometimes enemies, with even the British ones lining up on opposite sides of conflicts like the English Civil War in the 1640s. They settled much of the eastern half and southwestern third of what is now the U.S. in mutually exclusive settlement bands before significant third party in-migration picked up steam in the 1840s.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/04/23/surprising-geography-of-gun-violence-00092413

[DarrinS]

The crime thing is not entirely red versus blue. There are regional cultures at play too. The Northeast has a vastly lower crime rate than the equally blue Pacific Northwest. Portland, Seattle, and San Francisco have ridiculous property crime rates, whereas New York and Boston do not. This has been a rapid change over the past fifteen years.

I don’t like rural Southern whites because in my experience 90% of them are hateful racists who come at me because of whom I married, but sociologically it has been interesting to watch that cohort rapidly adopt all the social dysfunction, including violent crime, of the black underclass. We could discern root causes of poverty and dysfunction of both groups if we wanted to.

But we don’t.

I also think it’s interesting that an overtly white supremacist fascist movement in Idaho doesn’t have near the violent crime problem that the equally white supremacist fascist South does.

Thoughts?



The crime stats are racist. Definitely don't look those up.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The crime stats are racist. Definitely don't look those up.

Still salty? Sorry statistical normalization shows you as a racist shitbag.

[DarrinS]

Still salty? Sorry statistical normalization shows you as a racist shitbag.

Nope. Statistically, blacks commit more violent crimes against whites.

[DarrinS]

And, its not close.

[Winehole23]

The crime stats are racist. Definitely don't look those up.what do they say, profe?

[Winehole23]

And, its not close.Source?

[Winehole23]

All vibes, D?

[Winehole23]

I found this contextualization convincing, ymmv.

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[Winehole23]

e.g.,

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[Adam Lambert]

Still salty? Sorry statistical normalization shows you as a racist shitbag.

:lol Insecure white Darrin is desperate to pigeonhole blaming the blacks into the conversation.

[FrostKing]

Catch 22. Can't crack down on crime without data illustrating a rise. This scares politicians.

The general plan seems to be keep the homeless centralized and sedated.

[ElNono]

I found this contextualization convincing, ymmv.

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What's white on white?

[ChumpDumper]

The crime stats are racist. Definitely don't look those up.


Nope. Statistically, blacks commit more violent crimes against whites.


And, its not close.

Did you ever decide what your Allen shooting narrative is?

[Adam Lambert]

What's white on white?

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[Adam Lambert]

tl;dr version: The original chart that duped the Incel King is based on raw numbers that do not account for population size. Any "on white" crime stat as a raw number is going to be larger than "on (other race)" because whites are the most populous by far. This is without even getting into other factors like poverty and average age. Don't expect insecure racists like Darrin to read or accept the numbers.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

tl;dr version: The original chart that duped the Incel King is based on raw numbers that do not account for population size. Any "on white" crime stat as a raw number is going to be larger than "on (other race)" because whites are the most populous by far. This is without even getting into other factors like poverty and average age. Don't expect insecure racists like Darrin to read or accept the numbers.

That is just it. Darrin knows what data normalization is. He has had his face rubbed in it several times. Yet he always goes back to the source.

[pgardn]

It seems people have not visited or lived for any length of time poor white communities in the south. Holy shit... talk about hell holes... All the kids leave if they can, white drugs of choice run rampant. Drugs bought on government checks.

Its an unequal distribution of wealth that drives this. All of this imo. This is the CORE of the problem. And it starts very early in childhood and then schooling. It is a vicious cycle that has eroded any sort of middle class. Which of course many members of the board think they are in when too large a proportion of our population lives a total shit existence in comparison. Work, work, work, kids an afterthought. But, let them be born, and then dont give a shit about their actual life that follows a birth.

[ElNono]

It seems people have not visited or lived for any length of time poor white communities in the south. Holy shit... talk about hell holes... All the kids leave if they can, white drugs of choice run rampant. Drugs bought on government checks.

But, but... I was told super progressive cities are the dystopian hellholes...

[Winehole23]

Not even in the same league as the 1970s-1990s

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[boutons_deux]

Trash counties have a higher homicide rate and covid death rate than Biden counties.

[boutons_deux]

Don't be fooled —

DeSantis' own state has worse crime than the 'woke' cities he attacks

But actually, "The murder rate in San Francisco is significantly lower than that of the entire state of Florida — an incredible statistic, given that crime is usually more concentrated in cities.

The murder rate in Los Angeles is significantly lower than major Florida cities like Miami and Tallahassee.

And Jacksonville has consistently had the highest murder rate in the state, despite a series of Republican mayors and lead prosecutors."


things are unlikely to improve under DeSantis' leadership,

as he has set up a policy of importing police officers from areas with "anti-cop" policies — and

many of the police who have taken up the offer have criminal charges themselves (https://www.rawstory.com/desantis-cop-bonus/).

‹https://www.rawstory.com/ron-desantis-2661042692/

[Spurminator]

Maybe Republicans are just pussies.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4tXcScXwAAdjwH?format=jpg

[Winehole23]

Great crime data explainer here:

https://theappeal.org/fbi-crime-data-2022/?new_thumbnail=twitter

The 2022 FBI crime stats:

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-2022-crime-in-the-nation-statistics

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[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLIC-I0XgAAYus2?format=jpg&name=small

[Thread]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLIC-I0XgAAYus2?format=jpg&name=small

Winester; a runnin' just as fast as he can.

Winester

[Winehole23]

det election year narrative, tho

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[Thread]

det election year narrative, tho

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...we figured if Russia gets away with it, no reason whatsoever the U.S. can't. We got nothin' on Russia, sweetheart.

[boutons_deux]

Search:

"murder rate in Texas and Florida"

[Winehole23]

Search:

"murder rate in Texas and Florida""so long as the right people are getting shot and thrown in prison, fine"

Texans love their gun violence, it's wish fulfillment.

[Thread]

"so long as the right people are getting shot and thrown in prison, fine"

Texans love their gun violence, it's wish fulfillment.

You ain't turnin' Texas, fart-facePERIOD

[Ef-man]

det election year narrative, tho

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Throwing pearls before magas

[Thread]

Throwing pearls before magas
:lmao:lmao:lmao

[FrostKing]

I was told - given option of jail or money to bus elsewhere

Saw an Altuve jersey bum in Oceanside today...

[Winehole23]

By the numbers: An Axios analysis of data from the Major Cities Chiefs Association (https://majorcitieschiefs.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/MCCA-Violent-Crime-Report-2024-and-2023-Midyear.pdf) found an overall 6% decline in violent crime among 69 cities during the first six months of 2024 compared to the same period last year.



54 of the 69 major cities in the report saw drops in violent crime — defined as homicide, rape, robbery and aggravated assault — in the first half of 2024, according to the Axios review.
Columbus, Ohio, experienced the largest percentage decline in violent crime in the nation, with a massive 41% drop so far in 2024. Omaha, Nebraska, was second with a 30% decrease.
Miami and Washington, D.C., so far, have seen 29% declines in violent crime.
Austin, Texas, saw a 28% drop, followed by New Orleans with a 26% decrease. Both cities have been under fire for rising crime rates (https://www.fox7austin.com/news/murders-on-the-rise-in-austin-as-police-deal-with-staffing-shortage) in recent years.


The intrigue: The Axios review also found that the number of homicides in the 69 reported cities fell by more than 17% during the first half of 2024 compared to the last period last year.


Boston experienced a dramatic 78% drop in homicides.
Philadelphia was among others that saw a big fall in homicides, with a 42% decrease in 2024.

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/12/violent-crime-harris-trump-election

[Winehole23]

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[RandomGuy]

Search:

"murder rate in Texas and Florida"

Eyup. Living in red states is not good for your health.

[koriwhat]

Got to love them "stats" that have been so skewed in the last half decade or more but more so recently with the local PD's and FBI not counting such lawlessness like they did before. "Robberies are down..." Well, when you don't include robberies and the like in your stats then sure they're down. :lmao

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Got to love them "stats" that have been so skewed in the last half decade or more but more so recently with the local PD's and FBI not counting such lawlessness like they did before. "Robberies are down..." Well, when you don't include robberies and the like in your stats then sure they're down. :lmao

They stopped doing the national stats because cops were cooking the books pretty famously. Now there are PACs that count the police wire.

This was quite some time ago of course so with this new baseline an analysis of 4 year time frames makes sense given the nature of presidential politics.

Of course you go the nihilist route. Joey doesn't care about your stats.

[TSA]

Great crime data explainer here:

https://theappeal.org/fbi-crime-data-2022/?new_thumbnail=twitter

The 2022 FBI crime stats:

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-2022-crime-in-the-nation-statistics

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https://x.com/TomBevanRCP/status/1846511376216314240

When the FBI originally released the “final” crime data for 2022 in September 2023, it reported that the nation’s violent crime rate fell by 2.1%. This quickly became, and remains, a Democratic Party talking point to counter Donald Trump’s claims of soaring crime.

But the FBI has quietly revised those numbers, releasing new data that shows violent crime increased in 2022 by 4.5%. The new data includes thousands more murders, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults.

The Bureau – which has been at the center of partisan storms – made no mention of these revisions in its September 2024 press release.

RCI discovered the change through a cryptic reference on the FBI website that states: “The 2022 violent crime rate has been updated for inclusion in CIUS, 2023.” But there is no mention that the numbers increased. One only sees the change by downloading the FBI’s new crime data and comparing it to the file released last year.

[ChumpDumper]

https://x.com/TomBevanRCP/status/1846511376216314240

When the FBI originally released the “final” crime data for 2022 in September 2023, it reported that the nation’s violent crime rate fell by 2.1%. This quickly became, and remains, a Democratic Party talking point to counter Donald Trump’s claims of soaring crime.

But the FBI has quietly revised those numbers, releasing new data that shows violent crime increased in 2022 by 4.5%. The new data includes thousands more murders, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults.

The Bureau – which has been at the center of partisan storms – made no mention of these revisions in its September 2024 press release.

RCI discovered the change through a cryptic reference on the FBI website that states: “The 2022 violent crime rate has been updated for inclusion in CIUS, 2023.” But there is no mention that the numbers increased. One only sees the change by downloading the FBI’s new crime data and comparing it to the file released last year.

:lol even this article says violent crime was down in 2023.

[TSA]

:lol even this article says violent crime was down in 2023.

“I have checked the data on total violent crime from 2004 to 2022,” Carl Moody, a professor at the College of William & Mary who specializes in studying crime, told RealClearInvestigations. “There were no revisions from 2004 to 2015, and from 2016 to 2020, there were small changes of less than one percentage point. The huge changes in 2021 and 2022, especially without an explanation, make it difficult to trust the FBI data.”

"The actual changes in crimes are extensive. The updated data for 2022 report that there were 80,029 more violent crimes than in 2021. There were an additional 1,699 murders, 7,780 rapes, 33,459 robberies, and 37,091 aggravated assaults. The question naturally arises: should the FBI’s 2023 numbers be believed?"

Of course ChumpDumper believes the 2023 numbers :lol

"Another problem with FBI crime data is its reliance on reported crimes. Most crimes go unreported, with only about 45% of violent crimes and 30% of property crimes brought to the police’s attention, according to the National Crime Victimization Survey. Since the FBI only tracks reported incidents and this gap is so large, researchers argue that when the media discusses crime rates based on FBI data, they should clarify that it reflects “reported” crime, not give the impression that total crime is changing.

A half-century ago, the DOJ provided a total crime measure, including both reported and unreported crime. The results of the department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics 2023 National Crime Victimization Survey, released in mid-September, tell a very different story from the FBI data.

The NCVS interviews 240,000 people each year about their personal experiences.

Instead of the FBI’s 3.5% drop in the reported violent crime rate in 2023, the NCVS found a 4.1% increase in the reported violent crime rate. Even with the revised FBI numbers, in 2022, the FBI’s 4.5% increase pales in comparison to the NCVS’s 29.1% increase.

While the FBI claims that serious violent crime has fallen by 5.8% since Biden took office, the NCVS numbers show that total violent crime has risen by 55.4%. Rapes are up by 42%, robbery by 63%, and aggravated assault by 55% during Biden’s term. Since the NCVS started, the largest previous increase over three years was 27% in 2006, so the increase under Biden was slightly more than twice as large.

The increases shown by the NCVS during the Biden-Harris administration are by far the largest percentage increases over any three years, slightly more than doubling the previous record."

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2024/10/16/stealth_edit_fbi_quietly_revises_violent_crime_sta ts_1065396.html

[ChumpDumper]

“I have checked the data on total violent crime from 2004 to 2022,” Carl Moody, a professor at the College of William & Mary who specializes in studying crime, told RealClearInvestigations. “There were no revisions from 2004 to 2015, and from 2016 to 2020, there were small changes of less than one percentage point. The huge changes in 2021 and 2022, especially without an explanation, make it difficult to trust the FBI data.”

"The actual changes in crimes are extensive. The updated data for 2022 report that there were 80,029 more violent crimes than in 2021. There were an additional 1,699 murders, 7,780 rapes, 33,459 robberies, and 37,091 aggravated assaults. The question naturally arises: should the FBI’s 2023 numbers be believed?"

Of course ChumpDumper believes the 2023 numbers :lol

"Another problem with FBI crime data is its reliance on reported crimes. Most crimes go unreported, with only about 45% of violent crimes and 30% of property crimes brought to the police’s attention, according to the National Crime Victimization Survey. Since the FBI only tracks reported incidents and this gap is so large, researchers argue that when the media discusses crime rates based on FBI data, they should clarify that it reflects “reported” crime, not give the impression that total crime is changing.

A half-century ago, the DOJ provided a total crime measure, including both reported and unreported crime. The results of the department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics 2023 National Crime Victimization Survey, released in mid-September, tell a very different story from the FBI data.

The NCVS interviews 240,000 people each year about their personal experiences.

Instead of the FBI’s 3.5% drop in the reported violent crime rate in 2023, the NCVS found a 4.1% increase in the reported violent crime rate. Even with the revised FBI numbers, in 2022, the FBI’s 4.5% increase pales in comparison to the NCVS’s 29.1% increase.

While the FBI claims that serious violent crime has fallen by 5.8% since Biden took office, the NCVS numbers show that total violent crime has risen by 55.4%. Rapes are up by 42%, robbery by 63%, and aggravated assault by 55% during Biden’s term. Since the NCVS started, the largest previous increase over three years was 27% in 2006, so the increase under Biden was slightly more than twice as large.

The increases shown by the NCVS during the Biden-Harris administration are by far the largest percentage increases over any three years, slightly more than doubling the previous record."

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2024/10/16/stealth_edit_fbi_quietly_revises_violent_crime_sta ts_1065396.html

So what's your conspiracy theory here?

Please just answer since you're pimping this in two threads.

[Ef-man]

:lol even this article says violent crime was down in 2023.

FBI better hire Ms. Cleo so they can claim that all crime (reported and not reported crime) was captured.

"Another problem with FBI crime data is its reliance on reported crimes. Most crimes go unreported, with only about 45% of violent crimes and 30% of property crimes brought to the police’s attention, according to the National Crime Victimization Survey. Since the FBI only tracks reported incidents and this gap is so large, researchers argue that when the media discusses crime rates based on FBI data, they should clarify that it reflects “reported” crime, not give the impression that total crime is changing."

[ChumpDumper]

FBI better hire Ms. Cleo so they can claim that all crime (reported and not reported crime) was captured.

"Another problem with FBI crime data is its reliance on reported crimes. Most crimes go unreported, with only about 45% of violent crimes and 30% of property crimes brought to the police’s attention, according to the National Crime Victimization Survey. Since the FBI only tracks reported incidents and this gap is so large, researchers argue that when the media discusses crime rates based on FBI data, they should clarify that it reflects “reported” crime, not give the impression that total crime is changing."

So violent crime was EVEN WORSE under his Trump.:lol

[TSA]

So violent crime was EVEN WORSE under his Trump.:lol

:lol not even close

the NCVS numbers show that total violent crime has risen by 55.4%. Rapes are up by 42%, robbery by 63%, and aggravated assault by 55% during Biden’s term. Since the NCVS started, the largest previous increase over three years was 27% in 2006, so the increase under Biden was slightly more than twice as large.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol not even close

the NCVS numbers show that total violent crime has risen by 55.4%. Rapes are up by 42%, robbery by 63%, and aggravated assault by 55% during Biden’s term. Since the NCVS started, the largest previous increase over three years was 27% in 2006, so the increase under Biden was slightly more than twice as large.

:lmao YOU just said that up to 40% violent crime isn't reported.

Whatever the statistics were for your Trump -- THEY WERE ACTUALLY EVEN WORSE ACCORDING TO YOU.

Thanks, TSAnon!:tu

[Ef-man]

*Crime up based on NCVS personal experiences interviews. :lol

[TSA]

So what's your conspiracy theory here?

Please just answer since you're pimping this in two threads.

It's clear the Biden administration wanted a talking point to feed to their media mouthpieces during an election year. This is no different than the current administration constantly revising job numbers down after their media mouthpieces have been given their talking points.

[TSA]

:lmao YOU just said that up to 40% violent crime isn't reported.

Whatever the statistics were for your Trump -- THEY WERE ACTUALLY EVEN WORSE ACCORDING TO YOU.

Thanks, TSAnon!:tu

Not worse than the Biden administration. You're just flailing at this point.

[ChumpDumper]

Poli regurgitating TSA is really pretty boring.

He needs to state the conspiracy theory he's believing here.

That's the fun stuff.

[ChumpDumper]

Not worse than the Biden administration.How do you know?

Any number you post is as much as 40% off.

It's just like your failure to understand margin of error in polls.

[TSA]

FBI better hire Ms. Cleo so they can claim that all crime (reported and not reported crime) was captured.


*Crime up based on NCVS personal experiences interviews. :lol

Pick a lane :lol

[Ef-man]

Pick a lane :lol

There is no lane, Ms. Cleo and personal experiences interviews lead to shit statistics.

[Winehole23]

immigration makes the US richer and safer

NYC is a very safe city, as US cities go.

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https://x.com/paulkrugman/status/1847270085146108055

[Winehole23]

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