Paul, Booker or Ayton for Finals MVP?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Topic.

[Spurtacular]

CP FG: 56.4
Booker: 43.5

If that gap doesn't significantly narrow, it's CP all day.

Media don't give a sh** about rebounding and defense unless a dude doing something historic.

[Millennial_Messiah]

CP FG: 56.4
Booker: 43.5

If that gap doesn't significantly narrow, it's CP all day.

Media don't give a sh** about rebounding and defense unless a dude doing something historic.

Plus DeAndre don't shoot THREEEEEEEEEE33333333EEEEEEZZZZZZ!!!!! Why again was he picked #1 overall then?! :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

I agree that JesusChrist Paul is the FMVP and long awaited.

CP3 >>>> Nash

[koriwhat]

I agree that JesusChrist Paul is the FMVP and long awaited.

CP3 >>>> Nash

He's always been better than Nash but what sours me on Paul are his dirty moves from time to time like tripping, kicking, fake fouls, etc... Such a great player who still resorts to bs play.

[Millennial_Messiah]

He's always been better than Nash but what sours me on Paul are his dirty moves from time to time like tripping, kicking, fake fouls, etc... Such a great player who still resorts to bs play.

& Nash didn't? Does he get a pass because he's white and woke, tbh?

[koriwhat]

& Nash didn't? Does he get a pass because he's white and woke, tbh?

How stupid...

[Spurtacular]

You put Nash for CP on these Suns, they're still where they are. CP ain't proving he's better than Nash; let's stop with that, tbh.

[Thread]

You put Nash for CP on these Suns, they're still where they are. CP ain't proving he's better than Nash; let's stop with that, tbh.

He was all ready to make that leap when Horry hip checked him like in the roller derby.

I was so happy.

[Millennial_Messiah]

He was all ready to make that leap when Horry hip checked him like in the roller derby.

I was so happy.
But. That made it::::

Duncan: 4

Kobe: 3

[Thread]

But. That made it::::

Duncan: 4

Kobe: 3

At that point in the life I didn't mind. Wasn't that in the aftermath of (the rape) and we were just in the gloaming at that point? We didn't know whether to shit, or, go blind. Old man Buss was in a funk, Kobe was in a funk---just grateful to be on the other side of the walls. I wasn't in Championship mode for the Lakers, I was in Championship mode to keep the Suns from becoming Champion. You guys were there for me. I was very susceptible that season, very vulnerable, I was in a state of shock over (the rape), then the Suns rise up and my innards got energized, the old hate came to a nice boil and I was able to function on the crest of that hatred.

Slowly Kobe got his dauber back, we went on, I recovered, you shit a Miami bed, rebounded a bit with Leonard, life keeps moving forward.

But in the end you guys staved off the Suns Championship breakout for a good while. & I thanked ya's at the time, profusely.

We've had good times, MM. Fantastic times, both winning and losing. Regrettably it's went by too quick as it's apt to do.

[Rummpd]

Bucks in this weird year might come back then this debates shifts to who has been best player / Giannis

[Millennial_Messiah]

At that point in the life I didn't mind. Wasn't that in the aftermath of (the rape) and we were just in the gloaming at that point? We didn't know whether to shit, or, go blind. Old man Buss was in a funk, Kobe was in a funk---just grateful to be on the other side of the walls. I wasn't in Championship mode for the Lakers, I was in Championship mode to keep the Suns from becoming Champion. You guys were there for me. I was very susceptible that season, very vulnerable, I was in a state of shock over (the rape), then the Suns rise up and my innards got energized, the old hate came to a nice boil and I was able to function on the crest of that hatred.

Slowly Kobe got his dauber back, we went on, I recovered, you shit a Miami bed, rebounded a bit with Leonard, life keeps moving forward.

But in the end you guys staved off the Suns Championship breakout for a good while. & I thanked ya's at the time, profusely.

We've had good times, MM. Fantastic times, both winning and losing. Regrettably it's went by too quick as it's apt to do.
I would argue that Kobe never "lost his dauber" from 2005-2008. He just had a poor supporting cast.

The biggest obstacle to the Suns that year were David Stern's beloved Mavericks, but the Nellie We Believe Warriors (much more likeable than the 2015-2019 variety) staged the greatest upset in NBA history, doing it 5 on 8 no less with the refs firmly in Derp Nowinzki's lap that year. Which left almost nothing between the Suns and an NBA title. But Stern would not let the Suns win it in '07, come hell or high water. Bowen could rough up whoever, Horry for Amare AND Boris Diaw was the most lopsided suspension of all time and a bogus one at that. David Stern was the real NBA champion that year.

[DMC]

If CP3 gets hurt (I figure the odds are about 70:30 he does), and the Suns still win, Booker will be the reason. If the Suns lose for whatever reason, Middleton and Giannis will be fighting each other for it.

But if the Suns win and CP3 is intact, just the story alone will get him the MVP if he is anywhere close.

[Spurtacular]

At that point in the life I didn't mind. Wasn't that in the aftermath of (the rape) and we were just in the gloaming at that point? We didn't know whether to shit, or, go blind. Old man Buss was in a funk, Kobe was in a funk---just grateful to be on the other side of the walls. I wasn't in Championship mode for the Lakers, I was in Championship mode to keep the Suns from becoming Champion. You guys were there for me. I was very susceptible that season, very vulnerable, I was in a state of shock over (the rape), then the Suns rise up and my innards got energized, the old hate came to a nice boil and I was able to function on the crest of that hatred.

Slowly Kobe got his dauber back, we went on, I recovered, you shit a Miami bed, rebounded a bit with Leonard, life keeps moving forward.

But in the end you guys staved off the Suns Championship breakout for a good while. & I thanked ya's at the time, profusely.

We've had good times, MM. Fantastic times, both winning and losing. Regrettably it's went by too quick as it's apt to do.

Those Suns would've been champions in many other years, tbh.

Also, I was watching a video about how they could've been multi winners if they had held onto Joe Johnson longer. Tragic.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Those Suns would've been champions in many other years, tbh.

Also, I was watching a video about how they could've been multi winners if they had held onto Joe Johnson longer. Tragic.

yeah, JJ was a classic 90s style iso scorer and never really had a great efficiency rating after he left Phoenix. But in that system with Amare and all those shooters he would have balled out. He was really the Suns' only other option than Nash for creating offense and after JJ left, it put even more burden on Nash's back to do everything to keep the Suns afloat.

The Marion for Shaq trade was the death knell, tbh

[lefty]

CP3


Booker is just a glorified Kobe

[Arcadian]

I do have Chris Paul ranked higher than Nash, mainly because he's a two-way player. Paul led the league in steals 6 times, while Nash is one of the worst defenders ever. Paul also had more All-NBA selections.

[Spurtacular]

I do have Chris Paul ranked higher than Nash, mainly because he's a two-way player. Paul led the league in steals 6 times, while Nash is one of the worst defenders ever. Paul also had more All-NBA selections.

Do you have CP ranked ahead of Curry? Because that is what Nash would be in today's NBA. Except probably a better version of him.

[Dirks_Finale]

CP all day long. Not even close.

[Will Hunting]

CP is more complete than Nash was in terms of leader and also just scoring, albeit Nash never had a backcourt scoring threat like Booker to take pressure off of him.

CP is finals MVP at this point imo.

I like Ayton being included in the poll. I never in a million years thought he’d develop into an elite defensive anchor the way he has, it’s a total 180 from his year at UofA where he was a huge defensive liability.

[Mark Celibate]

I would argue that Kobe never "lost his dauber" from 2005-2008. He just had a poor supporting cast.

The biggest obstacle to the Suns that year were David Stern's beloved Mavericks, but the Nellie We Believe Warriors (much more likeable than the 2015-2019 variety) staged the greatest upset in NBA history, doing it 5 on 8 no less with the refs firmly in Derp Nowinzki's lap that year. Which left almost nothing between the Suns and an NBA title. But Stern would not let the Suns win it in '07, come hell or high water. Bowen could rough up whoever, Horry for Amare AND Boris Diaw was the most lopsided suspension of all time and a bogus one at that. David Stern was the real NBA champion that year.

Mavs didn't really own the Suns tbh. They beat them in 06 but Amare was injured. I think the Suns actually split with them in their 67 win 2006-07 season. Would've been a tough series for Dallas imo

[JamStone]

I think all three are viable at the moment depending what happens the rest of the he way. But I agree CP3 is in the catbird seat. I don’t think he’s a lock by any means. ONLy if the rest of the series goes as the first two games, he’d be my bet for MVP.

[baseline bum]

Doesn't make sense to talk Finals MVP at 2-0. Middleton might start showing up at home and actually make this a long series.

[Isitjustme?]

Doesn't make sense to talk Finals MVP at 2-0. Middleton might start showing up at home and actually make this a long series.

If Jrue keeps up his defense and just goes like 17 and 7 on 50% shooting rest of the way the Bucks have a great chance still. Really rooting for him as he's one of my favorite non-Spurs but he's been struggling so hard on offense

[baseline bum]

If Jrue keeps up his defense and just goes like 17 and 7 on 50% shooting rest of the way the Bucks have a great chance still. Really rooting for him as he's one of my favorite non-Spurs but he's been struggling so hard on offense

I'm a Holiday fan too, but he ain't Kawhi and you aren't getting him being your defensive ace and putting up an efficient 20 a night. Being the second scorer is Middleton's only job. He was decent in Game 1 but what a fucking trainwreck in Game 2.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Mavs didn't really own the Suns tbh. They beat them in 06 but Amare was injured. I think the Suns actually split with them in their 67 win 2006-07 season. Would've been a tough series for Dallas imo

Mavs and Suns would have gone 7 but Mavs had HCA, yes they split on each other's home court so it would have been a nail biter. The refs loved to suck on Dirk and Josh Howard's cocks that year for some reason. Only chance the Suns had that year was to make the pace a track meet all game and shoot a very high % from three, because they had nobody to stop Dirk or Howard.

Mavs (+ refs) definitely owned the Spurs in 06 and 07 tbh. Dallas would have eliminated SA in 5 in 07 and probably won the ship had they gotten past GSW.

[Spurtacular]

Mavs and Suns would have gone 7 but Mavs had HCA, yes they split on each other's home court so it would have been a nail biter. The refs loved to suck on Dirk and Josh Howard's cocks that year for some reason. Only chance the Suns had that year was to make the pace a track meet all game and shoot a very high % from three, because they had nobody to stop Dirk or Howard.

Mavs (+ refs) definitely owned the Spurs in 06 and 07 tbh. Dallas would have eliminated SA in 5 in 07 and probably won the ship had they gotten past GSW.

Spurs would've exacted their revenge. They should've won in 06 as it was.
But Mavs going out definitely made it easier for them.

[Thread]

I'm a Holiday fan too, but he ain't Kawhi and you aren't getting him being your defensive ace and putting up an efficient 20 a night. Being the second scorer is Middleton's only job. He was decent in Game 1 but what a fucking trainwreck in Game 2.

Holiday has had his chance, his day in the sun. Milwaukee has only their selves to blame now that he has assumed what they feared he'd assume. The league is full of these types, of which the vast lion's share never come to fruition.

It's like when you pick up a hooker, with the fervent belief in your heart of hearts, bumster, that you're gonna get exactly what you bargained for because you laid out your cash for it and you didn't grudge it to the hooker.

No, you're damn lucky to get out with your life and the cash is GWTW. 2 hours later you forget all about the life you saved being your own. All you can think about is that beautiful cash.

ADDENDUM:::20-30 years later a clash of PTSD hits ya as you recall the incident(s) and it's all about the life you saved being your own,,,give or take a buck or 2. tee, hee.

[Mark Celibate]

Mavs and Suns would have gone 7 but Mavs had HCA, yes they split on each other's home court so it would have been a nail biter. The refs loved to suck on Dirk and Josh Howard's cocks that year for some reason. Only chance the Suns had that year was to make the pace a track meet all game and shoot a very high % from three, because they had nobody to stop Dirk or Howard.

Mavs (+ refs) definitely owned the Spurs in 06 and 07 tbh. Dallas would have eliminated SA in 5 in 07 and probably won the ship had they gotten past GSW.

still can't believe what happened with Golden State. Dallas looked like they were on a mission against every other team, but went 0-3 against GS in the regular season despite going 67-15. You can tell it was getting in their heads at the end of the season when they knew they were going to play them too. They "rested" their starters in a late season road game against the Warriors because they knew they had their number and didn't want to get embarrassed right before the playoffs started. And then they changed their starting lineup in Game 1 despite being the 1 seed:lmao

[Millennial_Messiah]

still can't believe what happened with Golden State. Dallas looked like they were on a mission against every other team, but went 0-3 against GS in the regular season despite going 67-15. You can tell it was getting in their heads at the end of the season when they knew they were going to play them too. They "rested" their starters in a late season road game against the Warriors because they knew they had their number and didn't want to get embarrassed right before the playoffs started. And then they changed their starting lineup in Game 1 despite being the 1 seed:lmao

Well they knew playing big ball with Dampier/Diop was a losing battle against the smallball death lineup unless the Warriors were trotting out Biedrins, which they did maybe 10 minutes out of a game. Against a lineup of Harrington/Jackson/Richardson (or Pietrus)/Ellis (or Pietrus)/Davis, the Avery Johnson slowball isoball scheme just wasn't going to work, especially on defense.

Those GSW were fun as hell to watch, much more so than the Curry pussyball GSWiggers, but unfortunately the We Believe 2007 GSW team were only about 8 men deep and the lack of depth killed them against Utah the next round.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Spurs would've exacted their revenge. They should've won in 06 as it was.
But Mavs going out definitely made it easier for them.
If you go by "hand is part of the ball" foul theory, the Spurs should have been up 1 with the basketball, Mavs would have had to foul.

But who would you really have trusted to hit two pressure free throws in that situation? Manu of 2006 was not Manu of 2005.

[Mark Celibate]

Well they knew playing big ball with Dampier/Diop was a losing battle against the smallball death lineup unless the Warriors were trotting out Biedrins, which they did maybe 10 minutes out of a game. Against a lineup of Harrington/Jackson/Richardson (or Pietrus)/Ellis (or Pietrus)/Davis, the Avery Johnson slowball isoball scheme just wasn't going to work, especially on defense.

Those GSW were fun as hell to watch, much more so than the Curry pussyball GSWiggers, but unfortunately the We Believe 2007 GSW team were only about 8 men deep and the lack of depth killed them against Utah the next round.

not to mention the Jazz had the physicality to slow the game down and hurt them inside. Boozer went off that series from what I remember. Meanwhile Dallas had "stone hands" Dampier and Diop who was nonexistent on offense. Both those guys were there just to slow down elite bigs but were useless against small ball teams like Golden State

[Millennial_Messiah]

not to mention the Jazz had the physicality to slow the game down and hurt them inside. Boozer went off that series from what I remember. Meanwhile Dallas had "stone hands" Dampier and Diop who was nonexistent on offense. Both those guys were there just to slow down elite bigs but were useless against small ball teams like Golden State
thing is, back then "small ball teams like Golden State" didn't exist outside of the Bay Area, CA. The next closest team was the Suns but if they took Amare out then, well there goes their best scorer and second best offensive engine. And the Suns had nobody to stop Dirk while the Warriors largely mitigated Dirk by throwing multiple guys at him (Harrington, Jackson and Pietrus) who were all very physical and frustrating. Sure, they called fouls, and GSW led the league in technical fouls by a mile, but it was a little bit like the Legion of Boom Seattle Seahawks where "they can't call holding every time" theory came into place.

[Mark Celibate]

thing is, back then "small ball teams like Golden State" didn't exist outside of the Bay Area, CA. The next closest team was the Suns but if they took Amare out then, well there goes their best scorer and second best offensive engine. And the Suns had nobody to stop Dirk while the Warriors largely mitigated Dirk by throwing multiple guys at him (Harrington, Jackson and Pietrus) who were all very physical and frustrating. Sure, they called fouls, and GSW led the league in technical fouls by a mile, but it was a little bit like the Legion of Boom Seattle Seahawks where "they can't call holding every time" theory came into place.

agree with that. That GS team had the classic "chimp out after every foul call" strategy to eventually wear out the refs enough to where they got too mentally fatigued to call every foul.

[baseline bum]

still can't believe what happened with Golden State. Dallas looked like they were on a mission against every other team, but went 0-3 against GS in the regular season despite going 67-15. You can tell it was getting in their heads at the end of the season when they knew they were going to play them too. They "rested" their starters in a late season road game against the Warriors because they knew they had their number and didn't want to get embarrassed right before the playoffs started. And then they changed their starting lineup in Game 1 despite being the 1 seed:lmao

Still the most stunning series I ever saw, god Nelson bent AJ over that series. Spurs had a matchup nightmare like that as the 1-seed with the Suns in 03 where Marbury would turn into Prime Jordan against them every time but they got rescued by Stephen Jackson having a big series.

[Millennial_Messiah]

agree with that. That GS team had the classic "chimp out after every foul call" strategy to eventually wear out the refs enough to where they got too mentally fatigued to call every foul.

then again, the Avery Johnson era Mavericks were by far the least likeable Dallas teams. Howard, Terry, Stackhouse... yuck. They were pretty reminiscent of the Durant-Westbrick era OKC teams that followed. Lots of isoball, little ball movement, lots of free throws from soft ticky tack foul calls... pretty much winning games from the free throw line.

[baseline bum]

thing is, back then "small ball teams like Golden State" didn't exist outside of the Bay Area, CA. The next closest team was the Suns but if they took Amare out then, well there goes their best scorer and second best offensive engine. And the Suns had nobody to stop Dirk while the Warriors largely mitigated Dirk by throwing multiple guys at him (Harrington, Jackson and Pietrus) who were all very physical and frustrating. Sure, they called fouls, and GSW led the league in technical fouls by a mile, but it was a little bit like the Legion of Boom Seattle Seahawks where "they can't call holding every time" theory came into place.

Suns could throw Diaw and Marion on Dirk. Diaw was pretty good against Dirk in the 06 WCF, dropped Dirk's shooting percentage like 7 points vs what Nowitzki did to the Spurs in the second round. That Mavs team peaked early and I think wasn't nearly as good as their record.

[MultiTroll]

Greek Freak.

Butthurt Suns phans when Freak finally gets a modicum amount of help.

This is like watching Timmy Dunkar with Popped sending Bonner in.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Suns could throw Diaw and Marion on Dirk. Diaw was pretty good against Dirk in the 06 WCF, dropped Dirk's shooting percentage like 7 points vs what Nowitzki did to the Spurs in the second round. That Mavs team peaked early and I think wasn't nearly as good as their record.

FYI they did start out 0-4, but yeah, they had three enormously long winning streaks in '06-07 that were both before March. They were 0-3 against GSW, 2-2 against the Suns and 3-1 against the Spurs, with the only loss being the very first game of the season. They also lost both late season games against GSW in the latter stretch of the '06 season, but one was on a fluky miracle shot by Jason Richardson and before the Baron Davis era. All 3 Dallas losses to GSW in 2007 were after the Davis/Jackson trade near the trade deadline.

[Mark Celibate]

Still the most stunning series I ever saw, god Nelson bent AJ over that series. Spurs had a matchup nightmare like that as the 1-seed with the Suns in 03 where Marbury would turn into Prime Jordan against them every time but they got rescued by Stephen Jackson having a big series.

Rewatching that series, the most aggravating part of it (besides Dirk choking) was Dallas never committing a hard foul and just letting GS get layup after layup. Baron Davis getting into the lane damn near every possession and not having Dampier or Diop knocking him on his a$$ at all should've gotten Avery fired the minute after the series was over tbh

I honestly think they were scared to do it because GS had the 'goons' on their team whereas Dallas didn't. they were probably scared someone like Jackson, Barnes, or Harrington would punk them in return

[Mark Celibate]

Still the most stunning series I ever saw, god Nelson bent AJ over that series. Spurs had a matchup nightmare like that as the 1-seed with the Suns in 03 where Marbury would turn into Prime Jordan against them every time but they got rescued by Stephen Jackson having a big series.

Rewatching that series, the most aggravating part of it (besides Dirk choking) was Dallas never committing a hard foul and just letting GS get layup after layup. Baron Davis getting into the lane damn near every possession and not having Dampier or Diop knocking him on his a$$ at all should've gotten Avery fired the minute after the series was over tbh

I honestly think they were scared to do it because GS had the 'goons' on their team whereas Dallas didn't. they were probably scared someone like Jackson, Barnes, or Harrington would punk them in return. you could tell GS had zero fear of Dallas, :lol there was that one play where Matt Barnes was falling out of bounds and intentionally threw the ball off of Terry's head because he knew they weren't going to do anything about it

[Rummpd]

Giannis the best player by far on floor is the logical choice

[Will Hunting]

Mavs and Suns would have gone 7 but Mavs had HCA, yes they split on each other's home court so it would have been a nail biter. The refs loved to suck on Dirk and Josh Howard's cocks that year for some reason. Only chance the Suns had that year was to make the pace a track meet all game and shoot a very high % from three, because they had nobody to stop Dirk or Howard.

Mavs (+ refs) definitely owned the Spurs in 06 and 07 tbh. Dallas would have eliminated SA in 5 in 07 and probably won the ship had they gotten past GSW.
Imo the way those 3 teams worked was Phoenix was a bad matchup for Dallas, SA was a bad matchup for Phoenix, and Dallas was a bad matchup for SA (I know Dallas beat Phoenix in ‘06 but there was no Amare and iirc Raja Bell was injured after game 1…the Suns were a lot more competitive in that series than they should have been). Marion and Diaw both guarded Dirk decently well while the Mavs didn’t have an answer for Amare, Damp and Diop were nowhere near athletic enough to guard him. The ‘07 series would have been close but the Mavs just didn’t have a way to punish Phoenix for going small which is how you beat those Suns teams.

Also we’ll never know the full extent of it but I’m pretty sure Dirk was playing through an injury against GS that year and it was more severe than Dallas led on. He didn’t look right the entire series and it didn’t seem like pure choking it seemed like he was physically off.

[Will Hunting]

not to mention the Jazz had the physicality to slow the game down and hurt them inside. Boozer went off that series from what I remember. Meanwhile Dallas had "stone hands" Dampier and Diop who was nonexistent on offense. Both those guys were there just to slow down elite bigs but were useless against small ball teams like Golden State
Even if they were useless changing your starting lineup after winning 67 games was a horrible move by Avery, it was more or less a concession that they would try to beat GS at its own small ball game. I’d classify guys like Nazr Mohammad and Fabricio Oberto as stiff big men but Popovich never took them out of the rotation against Phoenix and they gave the Suns small lineups fits in a lot of ways.

[baseline bum]

Rewatching that series, the most aggravating part of it (besides Dirk choking) was Dallas never committing a hard foul and just letting GS get layup after layup. Baron Davis getting into the lane damn near every possession and not having Dampier or Diop knocking him on his a$$ at all should've gotten Avery fired the minute after the series was over tbh

I honestly think they were scared to do it because GS had the 'goons' on their team whereas Dallas didn't. they were probably scared someone like Jackson, Barnes, or Harrington would punk them in return. you could tell GS had zero fear of Dallas, :lol there was that one play where Matt Barnes was falling out of bounds and intentionally threw the ball off of Terry's head because he knew they weren't going to do anything about it

I wonder why Dallas didn't force the ball out of Davis' hand in Game 6. Golden State was about to end that series 4-1 and then Dallas just started doubling Davis without the ball in the 4th quarter of Game 5 and the Warriors fell apart. You'd think they'd have gone back to that in Game 6 when it saved their season a couple of night before.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Rewatching that series, the most aggravating part of it (besides Dirk choking) was Dallas never committing a hard foul and just letting GS get layup after layup. Baron Davis getting into the lane damn near every possession and not having Dampier or Diop knocking him on his a$$ at all should've gotten Avery fired the minute after the series was over tbh

I honestly think they were scared to do it because GS had the 'goons' on their team whereas Dallas didn't. they were probably scared someone like Jackson, Barnes, or Harrington would punk them in return

Yeah, Dallas was too soft, while GS was gangsta and had like 5-6 guys that were not afraid to punk a bitch or cuss out a ref and get a technical foul... story of the series. I don't think Dirk really choked. Dirk had an epic game 5 and saved the Mavs from complete humiliation there. Mavs were down 10 with 3 minutes to play and Dirk dominated the rest of that game on both sides of the court and the Mavs won.

Funny thing is, Avery did get fired johnny on the spot after basically the same thing happened the next year with Chris Paul against the Pelicans. But the Mavs were hardly favorites there as the 7 seed.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Even if they were useless changing your starting lineup after winning 67 games was a horrible move by Avery, it was more or less a concession that they would try to beat GS at its own small ball game. I’d classify guys like Nazr Mohammad and Fabricio Oberto as stiff big men but Popovich never took them out of the rotation against Phoenix and they gave the Suns small lineups fits in a lot of ways.

Actually he did to some degree, the Duncan - Manu - Bowen - Parker - Barry or Finley lineup was pretty common in '07 (just Barry in '05), but Mohammed definitely got more playing time in '05 than he did against the Mavs in '06. Poop's gameplan against the Mavs was just atrocious. Not playing any bigs, not playing Robert Horry enough and well, obviously you can't play Duncan against Dirk because of foul trouble, so they threw guys that were way too small to guard Dirk and naturally it never worked.

Spurs were never going to beat the Avery Johnson Dallas team in a 7 game series even if Dirk wasn't 100%. AJ had Poop figured out and he knew it.

[Rummpd]

Ayton is a joke as Giannis got 41 with no shot more than 5 feet. Pathetic defender against the top tier.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Ayton is a joke as Giannis got 41 with no shot more than 5 feet. Pathetic defender against the top tier.

So basically Giannis is just Shaq with wheels? And worse free throw shooting

[ducks]

The geek makes alot of people bitches
I would love to have suns center on spurs

[Thread]

Jeez, I don't feel quite as bad about LeBron quitting now that Booker quit last night.

Now of course Media will bend over backwards to muddy the waters over Booker, in order to keep him upright, but he quit.

[Rummpd]

So basically Giannis is just Shaq with wheels? And worse free throw shooting

Much better defender and last night 13-17 and is a team player who did not diva himself out of Orlando and LA. So your thread is a fail.

[Isitjustme?]

*****

[Mark Celibate]

Imo the way those 3 teams worked was Phoenix was a bad matchup for Dallas, SA was a bad matchup for Phoenix, and Dallas was a bad matchup for SA (I know Dallas beat Phoenix in ‘06 but there was no Amare and iirc Raja Bell was injured after game 1…the Suns were a lot more competitive in that series than they should have been). Marion and Diaw both guarded Dirk decently well while the Mavs didn’t have an answer for Amare, Damp and Diop were nowhere near athletic enough to guard him. The ‘07 series would have been close but the Mavs just didn’t have a way to punish Phoenix for going small which is how you beat those Suns teams.

Also we’ll never know the full extent of it but I’m pretty sure Dirk was playing through an injury against GS that year and it was more severe than Dallas led on. He didn’t look right the entire series and it didn’t seem like pure choking it seemed like he was physically off.

yep, the Dampier signing was made because they were getting abused routinely by bigs like Webber, Shaq, and Duncan. While the move made sense and paid off against those teams, him and Diop were not a threat at all offensively. Ironically enough the small ball teams (i.e. teams that were built just like the previous Don Nelson teams) gave Dallas fits afterward because their bigs were useless on both offense and defense.

I also think Damp was a contract thief IMO, since he actually was a quality center in Golden State before he got to the Mavericks and averaged a double-double in 2003-04. Once Dallas signed him his production fell big time in 2004, and was basically a stiff the rest of his career onward

[ducks]

The geek

[baseline bum]

Well this thread looks retarded now, like everything else op posts

[MultiTroll]

Maybe OP can discuss this with the women he hooks up with on his upcoming trip.

[ducks]

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1415514487445020672?s=20

[ducks]

Lol thread

[ElNono]

OP needs to log in with his Bad Takes alt...

[Rummpd]

Told you posts ago this was bad karma as Mr. MVP in Giannis even when they were down 0-2

[Millennial_Messiah]

Looks like this thread was the ultimate jinx a-la the "Spring will be dry in Texas" thread from the club. :lmao

So I had to change my avatar up a bit.

[Ef-man]

MVP Choker - CP0&forever

[Isitjustme?]

https://i.imgur.com/iQQm9rt.jpg

[ElNono]

Well this thread looks retarded now, like everything else op posts

[lefty]

So basically Giannis is just Shaq with wheels? And worse free throw shooting
https://media.tenor.com/images/6fb64c5692880cf88f4979c1bf66f2a8/tenor.gif

[Millennial_Messiah]

https://media.tenor.com/images/6fb64c5692880cf88f4979c1bf66f2a8/tenor.gif

Nets series/regular season.

But Giannis did up his free throw shooting like the MVP Shaq years for the Finals tbh.

And Giannis' game 6 performance against the Suns was on Par with Timmy Duncan's 2003 Nets Game 6 performance, tbh. I can't decide which one was better, but both were legendary.

[Spurtacular]

Nets series/regular season.

But Giannis did up his free throw shooting like the MVP Shaq years for the Finals tbh.

And Giannis' game 6 performance against the Suns was on Par with Timmy Duncan's 2003 Nets Game 6 performance, tbh. I can't decide which one was better, but both were legendary.

Because they let Shaq shoot 'em from 13 feet away. :lol

[lefty]

Nets series/regular season.

But Giannis did up his free throw shooting like the MVP Shaq years for the Finals tbh.

And Giannis' game 6 performance against the Suns was on Par with Timmy Duncan's 2003 Nets Game 6 performance, tbh. I can't decide which one was better, but both were legendary.
Shaq is a career 53% shooter from the FT line, Gannis 71%

But yeah they both make them when it matters

[Spurtacular]

Shaq is a career 53% shooter from the FT line, Gannis 71%

But yeah they both make them when it matters

Yea, Shaq made his 12 footers when they mattered.

Actually though, the difference never made sense still; it gives credence to the ball control conspiracy theorists.

[Ef-man]

https://media.giphy.com/media/Ou18ZgE49Fss0/giphy.gif

[ElNono]

Nets series/regular season.

But Giannis did up his free throw shooting like the MVP Shaq years for the Finals tbh.

And Giannis' game 6 performance against the Suns was on Par with Timmy Duncan's 2003 Nets Game 6 performance, tbh. I can't decide which one was better, but both were legendary.

It's time to let go, Andy...


https://media.tenor.com/images/6fb64c5692880cf88f4979c1bf66f2a8/tenor.gif

[Millennial_Messiah]

It's time to let go, Andy...

Nah, I'd still take Timmy's 20 point/20 rebound quad double to close the series... remember back then in the Finals nobody was scoring above the 80s points wise... teams didn't get to 90 because everything was grind it out, halfcourt basketball... none of this frenetic pace, fastbreak off made baskets kind of ball. Today's NBA sucks.