Dejounte Murray and Derrick White trade rumors

[SAGirl]

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[ducks]

They certainly are not untouchable but the spurs front office can not give them away
Mills yes not those two

[SAGirl]

I think they would only make them available for a top draft pick they like, most likely nothing will happen.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

White would be a key bench PG for a contending team that can deal with his DNPs

Dejounte I want to believe in as our current and future top dog... but for me he has a year to get rid of the flaming hot garbage stints he shows ... wouldnt cry if eitherr were traded for the right deal

Dumping Lonnie i think is addition by subtraction

[objective]

It's funny that this 'news' comes from Zach Harper

Of course the 'news' is absurd and obvious. Spurs willing to trade non-franchise players who don't even command max money for the right offer? Wow!

But it's fitting that' it's Harper who is an un-seriious 'jokey' style media person. He's not Zach Lowe, he has no sources. He gets by by making quips and trying to be one of those 'funny' NBA media people.

But because no one looks to him for serious news or commentary, he knows he has to trawl the ignored underserved fanbases to get any attention. Nobody serious gives a damn about reporting on the Spurs, so there's an avenue for cheap attention by quipsters. It's a living, I guess.

[slick'81]

Just more non news. Spurs "could" rebuild or "could" keep demar. Pop "could"retire blah blah blah


Still find it hard to believe spurs deal white after just giving him that fat extension. Not to mention pops love affair with dejounte

[Dejounte]

Like I said in the other thread:

1) DJ, as we all know, is a social media diva. He would be blowing up his IG or Twitter if it was anywhere close to truth. Dude is all about loyalty, and probably would have unfollowed the Spurs on all his accounts.

2) Spurs going to let this come out while Pop is not in town to sooth his sons and tell them “Son, it’s okay. Everything will be fine”? I don’t think so. He’s not gonna throw away 5 years or so of having a relationship with these two and then say “see you later” on the phone when a trade is accepted. It wouldn’t sound personable, which we know is his reputation with players he cares about.

[Russ]

The Spurs view Dejounte as their now and future leader.

If this rumor gains traction the Spurs might take the rare (for them) step of publicly denying it. If they really value Dejounte, that is (and they seem to).

I think the Spurs feel their rebuild is going reasonably well. That said, they also likely feel they need a significant addition to shake things up, not just someone to address their shooting needs or be a great glue guy.

In the end, when all things are said and done, more things are usually said than done.

[Mr. Body]

This sounds like the Becky Hammon stuff coming out of Portland, just sheer made-up bullshit.

[R. DeMurre]

Spurstalk seems to fluctuate a lot between "CIA POP" and "If the players knew this they'd be talking about it."

[EasyMoney]

The article does not mention that tbe spurs are looking to make a move. It merely predicts they could be available if they choose to want to make a move. The good old fashioned "if they could make a move they could trade some pieces" shtick to generate clicks.

[exstatic]

This all comes from that Hawks insider. Apparently, they’re available, but the Spurs want a big price, so probably nothing happens. I don’t think they’re “shopping them”, rather, this is probably feedback from GMs who’ve called SA.

[Degoat]

While I don’t believe either Dejounte or DWhite will get traded, it does make one wonder what their value is

[R. DeMurre]

Hate to beat a dead horse, but the Spurs just haven't recovered yet from the knock out blow of Kawhi demanding a trade. A trio of White/Murray/Kawhi would've been pretty damned good, and that's the background those guys were drafted with. I think they became muddled for a couple of years thinking the two pronged mid range attack thing might work, but it clearly didn't, and now it's time to refocus. I hope they will be a little more aggressive than usual because it seems like that's necessary now. Continuity and "corporate knowledge" are great concepts when you have Timmy, Manu, and Tony, but I don't know if it holds water with the current roster. Look at the final four teams in the playoffs: Phoenix is led by new player CP3, Milwaukee's Big 3 was finalized by adding Jrue, Kawhi and PG have only played together for two years, and nearly all of Brooklyn's roster is newly assembled. Continuity works with Hall of Famers a tad better than it does with a bunch of mostly middling role players.

[K...]

it would be scandalous if the spurs were not putting their best assets for sale, but not fire sale.

[8sy21vd]

White would be a key bench PG for a contending team that can deal with his DNPs

Dejounte I want to believe in as our current and future top dog... but for me he has a year to get rid of the flaming hot garbage stints he shows ... wouldnt cry if eitherr were traded for the right deal

Dumping Lonnie i think is addition by subtraction

Agreed on all counts. White needs to stay healthy and Murray needs to expand his shot next season but the Spurs would be foolish to deal either unless they get a high return. They s/b trying to dump Walker and work a sign and trade to offload Derozan to the Fake Show.

[ismael-robert]

I'd just like to say for long time there have been lot of ignorant comments about White's durability...dude landed on jakobs foot...his ankle didn't freaking give out on its own...freak accident that happens a lot in nba u don't blame the player n call them injury prone for that

[Mr. Body]

I'd just like to say for long time there have been lot of ignorant comments about White's durability...dude landed on jakobs foot...his ankle didn't freaking give out on its own...freak accident that happens a lot in nba u don't blame the player n call them injury prone for that

Injury prone means normal accidents and wear and tear affect a player worse than others. This season there were lots of injuries because bodies were pushed to their limit. Derrick White might just always be at that point.

[TimDunkem]

Meh neither are very good.

[tbdog]

I've felt more so than ever that the Murray and White duo is never going to work without doing some rotational trickery to reduce shared minutes.

Walker is possibly our best shooter next year.

[BackHome]

Walker needs to make a dramatic step up next season in playing smart basketball understanding how to play individual and team defense. He also needs to be doing some boxing or judo because he is scarred of contact and I think those sports teaches you how to take a hit or fall and keep going - Right now the biggest obstacle for Walker is himself, he just needs to believe and work hard and let it happen

[4lifecowboy]

I've felt more so than ever that the Murray and White duo is never going to work without doing some rotational trickery to reduce shared minutes.

Walker is possibly our best shooter next year.

Walker still is our best shot at a three level scorer, Murray and White pretty much bring the same thing to the table. White is is closes to his ceiling.

[4lifecowboy]

Walker needs to make a dramatic step up next season in playing smart basketball understanding how to play individual and team defense. He also needs to be doing some boxing or judo because he is scarred of contact and I think those sports teaches you how to take a hit or fall and keep going - Right now the biggest obstacle for Walker is himself, he just needs to believe and work hard and let it happen

What he needs is a consistent role, and plays designed to get him the ball.

[Spursfanfromafar]

This is nonsense. Zach Harper has never really broken any news or come up with any trade insights ever.

[rankingtear]

Makes sense for a high pick in this draft. I really like Keon Johnson if we are rebuilding the next 2 years. White+12 for Wiggins+7. Bouknight is also an option. Don't think they can get you in the top 6.

[exstatic]

White+12 for 7 is an overpay in this draft. Throw Wiggins rotting carcass $65M remaining deal, and no fucking way.

[rascal]

trade White for a draft pick high enough to draft Moses Moody. So replace White with Moody.

[rascal]

If I was running the Spurs I'd have both Moody and Mikal Bridges on the roster. Moody at the 2 and Bridges at the 3.

[EasyMoney]

If I was running the Spurs I'd have both Moody and Mikal Bridges on the roster. Moody at the 2 and Bridges at the 3.


And how would you acquire Mikal bridges?

[rascal]

And how would you acquire Mikal bridges?

I would have gotten him on his draft night. I was in here at the time of his draft saying the Spurs need to get this guy.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I would have gotten him on his draft night. I was in here at the time of his draft saying the Spurs need to get this guy.

He was drafted 10th. The Spurs had the 18th pick.

[buttsR4rebounding]

He was drafted 10th. The Spurs had the 18th pick.

Damn details.

[R. DeMurre]

:lol

[callo1]

DJ was the most consistent player last season. No way I would trade him.

[KobesAchilles]

DJ was the most consistent player last season. No way I would trade him.
He had a great April but a really really really sucky May by comparison. The dude ended the year shooting 9% from 3 his last 10 games. He was anything but consistent last year tbh. 29% in March, 40% in April and then 9% in May.Some games he was great and others he was horrible. I mean you can say that May was just a slump but man 9% is hard to defend. We need him to be shooting and making more 3s. That’s just a fact.

The reason why you would trade Murray over White is bc he can’t shoot the 3 ball

[tmtcsc]

There isn't a player on this roster that's untouchable. Zip. Not one. In fact, Lonnie4 for a bag of Funyuns please. At least those yellow bags are easy to find every time you need them.

[R. DeMurre]

DJ was the most consistent player last season. No way I would trade him.


Kind of impossible to say without knowing the exact context... Straight up for Patrick Beverley? No thanks. For Anunoby and Chris Boucher? Sure.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/ericsal_7/status/1414196471289819136?s=21

also possible the Spurs don’t view White as a full time Pg anymore. The question could be Murray vs Mills rather than Murray vs White for the PG conversation

[JeffDuncan]

I think they would only make them available for a top draft pick they like, most likely nothing will happen.


There is not any such real rumor. It’s a fabrication by a wannabe trying to get noticed by somebody somehow.

At this time, the Spurs have two players under contract who have shown they can play the pg: Murray and White.

That’s it.

Neither is going anyplace until and unless the team comes up with another proven point guard.

[SAGirl]

There is not any such real rumor. It’s a fabrication by a wannabe trying to get noticed by somebody somehow.

At this time, the Spurs have two players under contract who have shown they can play the pg: Murray and White.

That’s it.

Neither is going anyplace until and unless the team comes up with another proven point guard.
I do believe this rumor. I don’t think they are shopped lightly. There’s rumors the team wants major asssets. They likely won’t get what they want so the two are likely to stay put that doesn’t mean they weren’t available for a high price. They need to do due diligence frankly so I am quite fine which them looking around to see if they can extract assets. I am actually glad to hear it not because I dislike either guy but because they aren’t untradeable for the right offer.

[exstatic]

I do believe this rumor. I don’t think they are shopped lightly. There’s rumors the team wants major asssets. They likely won’t get what they want so the two are likely to stay put that doesn’t mean they weren’t available for a high price. They need to do due diligence frankly so I am quite fine which them looking around to see if they can extract assets. I am actually glad to hear it not because I dislike either guy but because they aren’t untradeable for the right offer.
“shopped” means that the Spurs are making the calls. I believe other teams are calling them, and while not being outright shut down, the Spurs are asking a very high price.

[mo7888]

“shopped” means that the Spurs are making the calls. I believe other teams are calling them, and while not being outright shut down, the Spurs are asking a very high price.

If that's the case (and it probably is) then it stands to reason the the Spurs leaked this to increase demand.

[BackHome]

Yeah I don't see the Spurs shopping these players but as someone mentioned no one on this team is untouchable. If the right trade comes along I would trade any of these young players. This team is not built well we good a bunch of guards which is good but only if your following a page from OK and going to use them to do a trade to get someone you really want.

[SAGirl]

“shopped” means that the Spurs are making the calls. I believe other teams are calling them, and while not being outright shut down, the Spurs are asking a very high price.
However you term it they likely have made calls inquiring for players. They should do it even if it’s pro forma that’s nothing outrageous

[Degoat]

DJ sort of addressed the trade rumors on IG

[Dejounte]

DJ sort of addressed the trade rumors on IG

Before he takes it down:

CRNgxFUsJOL

"Rumors can be true and rumors can be false. I'm just thankful and grateful for the highs, the lows, the blessings, the lessons, the setbacks, the comebacks, the LOVE and the HATE! 100! This shit is all hard work and dedication fasho! #DM5"

Not sure what to take away from that...

Is he saying it's true or is he saying it's false?

Photos are in the Spurs gym, so maybe not?

His words are surprisingly mature, which is why I'm leaning towards no...

But I'm obviously just speculating because it's fun...

[Degoat]

I doubt any deal happens, I did think it was a little odd that he wasn’t wearing any spurs gear… but I’m grasping at straws with that lol

[Dejounte]

I doubt any deal happens, I did think it was a little odd that he wasn’t wearing any spurs gear… but I’m grasping at straws with that lol

Still following the Spurs accounts for what it's worth...

Edit: By the way, what did I tell y'all about DJ being a social media diva :lmao

[spurs1990]

He had a great April but a really really really sucky May by comparison. The dude ended the year shooting 9% from 3 his last 10 games. He was anything but consistent last year tbh. 29% in March, 40% in April and then 9% in May.Some games he was great and others he was horrible. I mean you can say that May was just a slump but man 9% is hard to defend. We need him to be shooting and making more 3s. That’s just a fact.

The reason why you would trade Murray over White is bc he can’t shoot the 3 ball

DeRozan went 6-39 from 3 in February, March, April and May.
He went 1-16 in March through May.

Just got to get rid of him and these young guards and swingmen will put up better numbers without DeRozan dominating the ball. I think what I'm getting at is I can stomach any of the shooting woes from the 2016-2020 draft picks when we've seen what the offensive anchor did these last two wretched seasons.

[EricB]

I doubt any deal happens, I did think it was a little odd that he wasn’t wearing any spurs gear… but I’m grasping at straws with that lol


wearing new balance. He’s smart when it comes to his brand.

[EricB]

“shopped” means that the Spurs are making the calls. I believe other teams are calling them, and while not being outright shut down, the Spurs are asking a very high price.


correct.

[Sugus]

Before he takes it down:

CRNgxFUsJOL

"Rumors can be true and rumors can be false. I'm just thankful and grateful for the highs, the lows, the blessings, the lessons, the setbacks, the comebacks, the LOVE and the HATE! 100! This shit is all hard work and dedication fasho! #DM5"

Not sure what to take away from that...

Is he saying it's true or is he saying it's false?

Photos are in the Spurs gym, so maybe not?

His words are surprisingly mature, which is why I'm leaning towards no...

But I'm obviously just speculating because it's fun...

Definitely a "nothing-burger" kind of post, just to address the issue (and capitalize on it, guy ain't wearing that NB shit for free). Obviously no trade has materialized so far so it's not like DJ would know anything either way... Also, I too was a bit surprised with his wording on the post (:lol), he usually doesn't sound so well-structured (and didn't he always capitalize Every Starting Letter Of Every Word Too?).

Maybe he's finally famous/popular/well-repped enough to get ghost writers lmao

[KobesAchilles]

DeRozan went 6-39 from 3 in February, March, April and May.
He went 1-16 in March through May.

Just got to get rid of him and these young guards and swingmen will put up better numbers without DeRozan dominating the ball. I think what I'm getting at is I can stomach any of the shooting woes from the 2016-2020 draft picks when we've seen what the offensive anchor did these last two wretched seasons.
I just hope that DJ doesn’t become a Demar DeRozan. I mean shooting 9% from 3 is like you said very Demar like. Can DJ actually learn to shoot 3s? How much longer do we give him? He has a midrange game but without the 3 ball he will be limited on what he can do offensively as a number 1 player. He becomes very easy to game plan for if he doesn’t just start taking and making these shots. Personally, I don’t believe he will ever become a 3 point shooter and we should trade him now while his value is high. But waiting a year might be better too when he will get more shots and put up a higher ppg. Teams love guys who score 20 ppg.

[jiggy_55]

:lol), he usually doesn't sound so well-structured (and didn't he always capitalize Every Starting Letter Of Every Word Too?).

Maybe he's finally famous/popular/well-repped enough to get ghost writers lmao
But He Did Capitalize Every Letter In The Actual Post :downspin:

[Dingle Barry]

Does NB not make underwear?

[slick'81]

Does NB not make underwear?


Or socks apparently

[Dejounte]

But He Did Capitalize Every Letter In The Actual Post :downspin:

yeah, I wasn’t going to put the effort of capitalizing every word for my sanity :lmao

by maturity, I meant he didn’t partake in too much slander like he has done in the past Sugus

[John B]

I just hope that DJ doesn’t become a Demar DeRozan. I mean shooting 9% from 3 is like you said very Demar like. Can DJ actually learn to shoot 3s? How much longer do we give him? He has a midrange game but without the 3 ball he will be limited on what he can do offensively as a number 1 player. He becomes very easy to game plan for if he doesn’t just start taking and making these shots. Personally, I don’t believe he will ever become a 3 point shooter and we should trade him now while his value is high. But waiting a year might be better too when he will get more shots and put up a higher ppg. Teams love guys who score 20 ppg.

Tony Parker was shooting low 30's and even 20's 3pt percentage early on in his career, but was in the 40's percentage in the beautiful games 2013-14. The beautiful game finds and gives better 3 pt percentage.

I think DJ has better shooting forms than TP. They just have to keep on moving the ball, hard crisp pass, especially in a team that doesn't have a lot of "great" individual talents.

They haven't been good at it because of personnel (new vs veteran players who knows how to win), plus exacerbated by luck of practice time together. Then finally succumbing to ISO plays to try to win games and not trusting the system.

I like DJ (and White) because they're long and can rim run and push the tempo (of course I agree nobody is untouchable in this current roster). I think DJ has the burning desire to be a star, and that's why I like him.

Spurs need players who are willing to pass, and able to hit open shots when available (vs Demar refusing to hit the open 3's). I wander how Demar would perform in a beautiful game when it's a catch and shoot, great look 3's?

[rjv]

personally, i hope DJ is still on the roster at the start of the year. if we lose white, i'd only be okay with it if it meant it was part of a big time FA acquisition and i think this is highly unlikely.

[cd98]

I doubt either of these guys are going anywhere. But if one goes, it's probably White because he is older by a little.

[KobesAchilles]

Tony Parker was shooting low 30's and even 20's 3pt percentage early on in his career, but was in the 40's percentage in the beautiful games 2013-14. The beautiful game finds and gives better 3 pt percentage.

I think DJ has better shooting forms than TP. They just have to keep on moving the ball, hard crisp pass, especially in a team that doesn't have a lot of "great" individual talents.

They haven't been good at it because of personnel (new vs veteran players who knows how to win), plus exacerbated by luck of practice time together. Then finally succumbing to ISO plays to try to win games and not trusting the system.

I like DJ (and White) because they're long and can rim run and push the tempo (of course I agree nobody is untouchable in this current roster). I think DJ has the burning desire to be a star, and that's why I like him.

Spurs need players who are willing to pass, and able to hit open shots when available (vs Demar refusing to hit the open 3's). I wander how Demar would perform in a beautiful game when it's a catch and shoot, great look 3's?l

No offense but that’s a terrible comparison. Tony Parker had elite handles and elite speed. He was literally the fastest player in the NBA with the ball in his hands, could get to the rim at will against literally anybody and was a one man fast break. This allowed him to be a poor 3 point shooter bc having a midrange game was enough for him to score consistently at a high rate. You either ducked under the screen and he got to his spot or you put the big man on him and he got to the rim. Dejounte is none of these things and play’s literally nothing like Tony Parker.

The beautiful game relied on Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili being able to take their man off the dribble on a pick n roll and have the defense collapses on them. Manu was such a fantastic passer that he didn’t even have to be that fast for it to work while Tony was so blazing fast and such a great passer in traffic around the paint that it made up for the fact that he wasn’t an elite passer. DJ is a horrible passer. He can’t get to the rim consistently enough, isn’t crafty like Manu and fast like Tony. Derrick White fits this mold better than DJ simply bc he is crafty and he is a good passer.

When Demar came into the league he was basically DJ. So shitting on him isn’t going to work. Bc he didn’t have much of a handle, he wasn’t a high prospect, his jumper was trash, yet he was an athlete. Dejounte also doesn’t take wide open 3s so I don’t see where he even fits in the beautiful game. He doesn’t create open 3s consistently enough to initiate the beautiful game and he doesn’t make open 3s enough to be the beneficiary of others creating for him

[John B]

l

No offense but that’s a terrible comparison. Tony Parker had elite handles and elite speed. He was literally the fastest player in the NBA with the ball in his hands, could get to the rim at will against literally anybody and was a one man fast break. This allowed him to be a poor 3 point shooter bc having a midrange game was enough for him to score consistently at a high rate. You either ducked under the screen and he got to his spot or you put the big man on him and he got to the rim. Dejounte is none of these things and play’s literally nothing like Tony Parker.

The beautiful game relied on Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili being able to take their man off the dribble on a pick n roll and have the defense collapses on them. Manu was such a fantastic passer that he didn’t even have to be that fast for it to work while Tony was so blazing fast and such a great passer in traffic around the paint that it made up for the fact that he wasn’t an elite passer. DJ is a horrible passer. He can’t get to the rim consistently enough, isn’t crafty like Manu and fast like Tony. Derrick White fits this mold better than DJ simply bc he is crafty and he is a good passer.

When Demar came into the league he was basically DJ. So shitting on him isn’t going to work. Bc he didn’t have much of a handle, he wasn’t a high prospect, his jumper was trash, yet he was an athlete. Dejounte also doesn’t take wide open 3s so I don’t see where he even fits in the beautiful game. He doesn’t create open 3s consistently enough to initiate the beautiful game and he doesn’t make open 3s enough to be the beneficiary of others creating for him

But the point is how to increase that 3pt percentage, particularly of DJ. I noted that TP was not a good 3pt shooter early on in his career, shooting even in 20's. BUT the beautiful game elevated ALL their 3pt percentage.

People were able to catch and shoot with the beautiful game. Finding great wide-open looks, instead of contested or having to create your own shot.

Patty Mills' percentage also suffered the last few years, coz he was relied on to facilitate, instead of catch and shoot.

And with the lack of "great" individual talent of this roster, it is even more critical for them to move the ball, make hard cuts to the basket, motion offense.

I'm saying DJ has better shooting form than TP, and can definitely elevate his 3pt percentage.

It's not easy, it takes a lot of practice time together, to memorize the plays that took several seasons for players in the past to get a grip on. I'm not sure if the present roster is capable, or it would easily break and goes back to ISO when they start fumbling the ball and gets behind. Personally I have doubts.

[KobesAchilles]

But the point is how to increase that 3pt percentage, particularly of DJ. I noted that TP was not a good 3pt shooter early on in his career, shooting even in 20's. BUT the beautiful game elevated ALL their 3pt percentage.

People were able to catch and shoot with the beautiful game. Finding great wide-open looks, instead of contested or having to create your own shot.

Patty Mills' percentage also suffered the last few years, coz he was relied on to facilitate, instead of catch and shoot.

And with the lack of "great" individual talent of this roster, it is even more critical for them to move the ball, make hard cuts to the basket, motion offense.

I'm saying DJ has better shooting form than TP, and can definitely elevate his 3pt percentage.

It's not easy, it takes a lot of practice time together, to memorize the plays that took several seasons for players in the past to get a grip on. I'm not sure if the present roster is capable, or it would easily break and goes back to ISO when they start fumbling the ball and gets behind. Personally I have doubts.
Yes but him and Manu were the ones who made the beautiful game possible. Saying that beautiful game raised his 3 point percentage doesn’t take away from the fact that we haven’t been able to play the beautiful game once him and Maun retired. Without TP or Manu there is no beautiful game.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

For the right offer, any player on a non-playoff team is probably available. Otherwise you just keep the same team and don't change your course.

[Thomas82]

For the right offer, any player on a non-playoff team is probably available. Otherwise you just keep the same team and don't change your course.

This is the likely outcome for the Spurs this year.

[Seventyniner]

For the right offer, any player on a non-playoff team is probably available. Otherwise you just keep the same team and don't change your course.

The endowment effect is real. Teams, by and large, value a player they already have far more than an equivalent player they don't have.

There is something to be said for continuity and loyalty to players, but the endowment effect is recognized for a reason.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

The endowment effect is real. Teams, by and large, value a player they already have far more than an equivalent player they don't have.

There is something to be said for continuity and loyalty to players, but the endowment effect is recognized for a reason.

We all know the Spurs value that continuity. The Spurs seem to be the least risk-taking group in the league when it comes to trades, and it seems like most potential trade partners have avoided San Antonio the last few years.

[TheGreatYacht]

Would be a crime against humanity to trade the best player on the team. White can go though.

[rascal]

Damn details.

I would have traded for him. I had threads at the time before the draft saying the spurs needed to move up in a trade and draft him.

[rascal]

We all know the Spurs value that continuity. The Spurs seem to be the least risk-taking group in the league when it comes to trades, and it seems like most potential trade partners have avoided San Antonio the last few years.

Poor management to be the least risk- taking team in the league.

[Kindergarten Cop]

The endowment effect is real. Teams, by and large, value a player they already have far more than an equivalent player they don't have.

There is something to be said for continuity and loyalty to players, but the endowment effect is recognized for a reason.

I agree with this 100%.

I also feel that it is the complete opposite for a great deal of (not all) fans when you scour online forums - in that they greatly overvalue players on other teams, while they underrate some of the players on their own team (especially when their contracts are figured in).

[talkspurs]

I am convinced more each year that Sam Presti was actually the better GM especially when it came to trades. I think he also had a few good picks that he pushed for.

[jermaine]

Notice he's not in any Spurs gear like usual.

[exstatic]

I am convinced more each year that Sam Presti was actually the better GM especially when it came to trades. I think he also had a few good picks that he pushed for.

James Harden has entered the chat…

[exstatic]

Notice he's not in any Spurs gear like usual.

He’s in NB gear, which he endorses. He’s also IN the Spurs practice facility.

[John B]

We all know the Spurs value that continuity. The Spurs seem to be the least risk-taking group in the league when it comes to trades, and it seems like most potential trade partners have avoided San Antonio the last few years.

In the past it’s because of continuity and learning Pop’s intricate system, which in the past took new players a whole season to learn. But I honestly don’t see it the last two seasons, but heavy Demar/DJ ISO and high screens.

[R. DeMurre]

We all know the Spurs value that continuity. The Spurs seem to be the least risk-taking group in the league when it comes to trades, and it seems like most potential trade partners have avoided San Antonio the last few years.

Continuity makes sense when you have Timmy, Manu, & Tony... but with this team? I just don't see it. They need talent more than continuity.

Milwaukee added Jrue, Phoenix added CP3, Brooklyn added Harden to an already newly constructed team, and the Clippers as configured have only been together for two seasons. Last year's final teams-- the Lakers and the Heat-- had newly added key members. Continuity is a concept for successful teams, not teams that limp meekly into the 10th spot.

[talkspurs]

James Harden has entered the chat…

Better then what we got for Kawhi.

[TheGreatYacht]

Hope they trade Lonnie so the kid can reach his full potential and can stop being a pass out option for Fatty Mills and Rudy's corpse

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

It's funny that this 'news' comes from Zach Harper

Of course the 'news' is absurd and obvious. Spurs willing to trade non-franchise players who don't even command max money for the right offer? Wow!

But it's fitting that' it's Harper who is an un-seriious 'jokey' style media person. He's not Zach Lowe, he has no sources. He gets by by making quips and trying to be one of those 'funny' NBA media people.

But because no one looks to him for serious news or commentary, he knows he has to trawl the ignored underserved fanbases to get any attention. Nobody serious gives a damn about reporting on the Spurs, so there's an avenue for cheap attention by quipsters. It's a living, I guess.

knocked it right out the park with your response !!!! I was literally going to post the same thing you did but you worded it so eloquently that I had to give you a thumbs up and your props in writing!

[4lifecowboy]

IMO one of them White or Murray are going to be packaged with Derozan in a trade. More than likely a west coast team, preferably Golden State. Something like Derozan, White, and Poetl for Wiggins, Wiseman, and 7th.

[buttsR4rebounding]

IMO one of them White or Murray are going to be packaged with Derozan in a trade. More than likely a west coast team, preferably Golden State. Something like Derozan, White, and Poetl for Wiggins, Wiseman, and 7th.

I didn't think you could package other players with a player being signed and traded. So DDR would be traded for Wiggins. White and Poeltl combine for salary of just under 25 million. Wiseman around 9m. I think these players swapping like you indicate would be a great deal for GS chances of competing for another championship and really fast tracks the Spurs reboot basically giving up White. I really like Poeltl and think he is one of the great values in the NBA, but I don't think anyone thinks he will be a difference maker for the Spurs. I just don't see how it works and GS just doesn't have filler to even it out. Looney is on the books for 5 million, but everyone else is under 3 million besides Steph, Klay, and Donkey. Maybe Oubre can be part of a S&T for White if the Spurs think he could be part of their future and Oubre was so inclined. Big IFS.

[Chinook]

You can package players under contract with S&T'd players. That's not an issue. The issues are:

A) You can't agree to an S&T deal before the moratorium. So you can't include picks. You can't even wink-wink it or use the rights of the drafted players to get around it. It's a clear violation of the CBA and "doesn't happen all the time", before someone cartwheels in here with that explanation.

B) GS would be hard-capped if they took back an S&T'd player. There's very little chance DeRozan goes there at this point.

[Chinook]

You can package players under contract with S&T'd players. That's not an issue. The issues are:

A) You can't agree to an S&T deal before the moratorium. So you can't include picks. You can't even wink-wink it or use the rights of the drafted players to get around it. It's a clear violation of the CBA and "doesn't happen all the time", before someone cartwheels in here with that explanation.

B) GS would be hard-capped if they took back an S&T'd player. There's very little chance DeRozan goes there at this point.

[objective]

There's a recent Locked on Bulls podcast where the they cover Dejounte Murray trade speculation.

Starts about 30 minutes in, but in short they love the idea of Murray on the Bulls especially as they think he'll be attainable for Lauri in a S&T

Lots of Murray love and stats

[Chinook]

That's probably where the RGMers keep getting that DJM-for-Mark trade shit from. That's a horrible, horrible offer from Chicago, and this is ME of all people saying it.

[Leetonidas]

The Spurs could sign Lauri outright if they wanted. Why would they send Murray in exchange for him? Makes no sense

[tonight...you]

There's a recent Locked on Bulls podcast where the they cover Dejounte Murray trade speculation.

Starts about 30 minutes in, but in short they love the idea of Murray on the Bulls especially as they think he'll be attainable for Lauri in a S&T

Lots of Murray love and stats
That would be a travesty of epic proportions.
Of course the Bulls' guys love the idea.

[Mugen]

The Spurs could sign Lauri outright if they wanted. Why would they send Murray in exchange for him? Makes no sense

"A trade that makes no sense? That's my cue"

https://www.nba.com/resources/static/team/v2/spurs/Schad/img/Spurs/Headshots/brian.jpg

[objective]

Locked on Bulls also covers that Murray and Levine are tight as they're both from Seattle and that Levine 'liked' a Photoshop of Murray in a bulls uniform on Twitter or Instagram

[Dejounte]

I was told fans of other teams didn’t think DJ was that valuable

[Chinook]

I was told fans of other teams didn’t think DJ was that valuable

You do realize that projected trade is valuing Murray as essentially nothing, right? A Mark sign-and-trade has about as little value as you can imagine something having given that SA has cap and the Bulls don't seem willing to match any contract that's not a pittance. This is more evidence of Murray's value being low, not high. Those same fans are balking at the idea of adding a bust like Coby White into the deal.

[exstatic]

You do realize that projected trade is valuing Murray as essentially nothing, right? A Mark sign-and-trade has about as little value as you can imagine something having given that SA has cap and the Bulls don't seem willing to match any contract that's not a pittance. This is more evidence of Murray's value being low, not high. Those same fans are balking at the idea of adding a bust like Coby White into the deal.

Are you really using the musings of a bunch of Bulls fans to validate your shitty opinion of Murray?

[Chinook]

Are you really using the musings of a bunch of Bulls fans to validate your shitty opinion of Murray?

No, I'm showing why using the Bulls chatter to make a snide remark makes no sense.

It shows a horrible lack of reading comprehension, since my response to the chatter is derision at those fans for thinking Murray could be had for so little.

You're off your game with this post. It's hard to keep up the anti-hero edge lord meme if you miss this badly on a post this straightforward

[TD 21]

Examining potential trade destinations for Dejounte Murray (basketballnews.com) (https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/examining-potential-landing-spots-for-dejounte-murray)

[Frenchfred]

I wouldn't trade Murray, his salary is not high compared to players with similar stats; he is a good defender. When we have to sign the other youngsters we need cap space and Murray doesn't take that much of it.

[NK123]

I think that neither will be traded.
This is a decoy to trade the other players in the roster like LW4, Poeltl or even Patty through a sign and trade.

[Chinook]

I think that neither will be traded.
This is a decoy to trade the other players in the roster like LW4, Poeltl or even Patty through a sign and trade.

Eh if we're channeling the Spurs' moves of old, I'd say it's more likely that they want to trade one of White or Murray (like specifically either White or Murray but not the other) and are putting it out there both could be had in order to conflate their value. It'd be like how it came out that the Spurs were apparently looking to trade Parker or Hill in 2011, which created the impression that the Spurs would be just as happy keeping one or the other. Parker said during the time that Pop told him it was just a smoke screen, and it likely did raise Hill's value a decent bit.

[The Truth #6]

Eh if we're channeling the Spurs' moves of old, I'd say it's more likely that they want to trade one of White or Murray (like specifically either White or Murray but not the other) and are putting it out there both could be had in order to conflate their value. It'd be like how it came out that the Spurs were apparently looking to trade Parker or Hill in 2011, which created the impression that the Spurs would be just as happy keeping one or the other. Parker said during the time that Pop told him it was just a smoke screen, and it likely did raise Hill's value a decent bit.


Exactly. If there is any fire to this smoke, the FO likely has an angle they are playing. Having said that, I will be shocked if they trade either. And in Hill’s situation, we had Pop fellating Hill in the preseason, calling him his favorite player or some nonsense, which in retrospect helped his trade value. If I had to guess who Pop effuses about more, it’s probably DJM.

[John B]

Exactly. If there is any fire to this smoke, the FO likely has an angle they are playing. Having said that, I will be shocked if they trade either. And in Hill’s situation, we had Pop fellating Hill in the preseason, calling him his favorite player or some nonsense, which in retrospect helped his trade value. If I had to guess who Pop effuses about more, it’s probably DJM.

Interesting. Is Spurs trying to move up the draft or get another lottery pick? To get Duarte also? Tbh I'd rather like Duarte starting at SG and Derrick playing the PG. Tre can be a real dependable backup PG.

Or package DJ with Demar to get Simmons?

Whatever it is I hope the PATFO do something big this offseason.. I swear I'm ready to switch to soccer

[The Truth #6]

Interesting. Is Spurs trying to move up the draft or get another lottery pick? To get Duarte also? Tbh I'd rather like Duarte starting at SG and Derrick playing the PG. Tre can be a real dependable backup PG.

Or package DJ with Demar to get Simmons?

Whatever it is I hope the PATFO do something big this offseason.. I swear I'm ready to switch to soccer

I’m definitely not expecting any flurry of activity nor verifying any rumors, just adding my two cents to what happened before.

[poopbox]

The spurs made moves to clear the deck for white and murray and they are going to turn around and trade one of them after 1 season :rollin

White is the only off the dribble 3 point shooter we have under contract right now, so unless we are trading him for a guard who does that better how does that benefit the spurs ?

Dejounte is a great defender and his perimeter shooting has gotten better every year, plus he is on a cheap deal ? Who exactly are the spurs trying to trade him for ?

Trading either one of these players creates a sizeable vacuum on this team that the spurs would then have to fill by finding a way to get the exact type of player they just traded...

[SAGirl]

I think that neither will be traded.
This is a decoy to trade the other players in the roster like LW4, Poeltl or even Patty through a sign and trade.
I think that is a good possibility. Like the car on the dealer that is the hook, but when you get inside and ask the prize and it turns out to be too high, the seller asks you can I instead interest you in a LW4 or a Samanic instead? It’s possible. I don’t think the Spurs would be dishonest in dangling the bait, but the price is likely to be very high, enough that other franchises will likely be unwilling to pay it, thus the other cars in the dealership might be the ones traded instead.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I like both players. It would have to be a pretty damn good trade. Beyond those two and Keldon I don't know that we have much that other teams would covet enough to do a deal.

[itzsoweezee]

Imagine trading away either of two talented young players on cheap contracts while refusing in prior seasons to dump veterans in a delusional hope of making the playoffs

[The Truth #6]

Imagine trading away either of two talented young players on cheap contracts while refusing in prior seasons to dump veterans in a delusional hope of making the playoffs

It is sort of hilarious, but I don't see them trading either of White or Dejounte.

[SpursDynasty85]

Imagine trading away either of two talented young players on cheap contracts while refusing in prior seasons to dump veterans in a delusional hope of making the playoffs

They were looking for trades but whether they get good value is not up to them. They haven’t traded anyone yet so “would you trade one of them for a top 10 pick?

[mo7888]

Hypothetical speaking (slow day)- if Golden State offered #7, Wiseman, and Wiggins for DJ and White would you take it?

[Chinook]

I wouldn't. I'd trade Murray either for 14 or to move from 12 to 7, but unless PATFO loves Wiseman, I don't think putting in 7 for 14 and adding James is enough to also get White.

[Mugen]

Imagine trading away either of two talented young players on cheap contracts while refusing in prior seasons to dump veterans in a delusional hope of making the playoffs

"Pimpin' ain't easy, my man"

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[tonight...you]

Hypothetical speaking (slow day)- if Golden State offered #7, Wiseman, and Wiggins for DJ and White would you take it?
No way and I wouldn't think twice about it.

[tonight...you]

"Pimpin' ain't easy, my man"

https://news4sanantonio.com/resources/media2/16x9/full/1015/center/80/de1103e8-9c2c-41d7-95dd-8617e205d65a-large16x9_Annotation20200608155621.jpg
He's like a Dollar Tree Russell Wilson.

[mo7888]

I wouldn't. I'd trade Murray either for 14 or to move from 12 to 7, but unless PATFO loves Wiseman, I don't think putting in 7 for 14 and adding James is enough to also get White.

I believe I would do the deal. Would you prefer adding 14 instead of Wiseman? Personally I believe I would but I figured the tax savings for GS moving Wiseman's salary would be part of their incentive.

[Mr. Body]

Hypothetical speaking (slow day)- if Golden State offered #7, Wiseman, and Wiggins for DJ and White would you take it?

Definitely not. Many drafts barely have 7 outstanding players and the Spurs managed to get some promising ones with the second to last picks in the round. Wiseman looks like a massive project and the #7 in this draft is no guaranteed thing. Hard pass.

[Mr. Body]

I do think an S&T with Patty could be in the cards.

[tonight...you]

I do think an S&T with Patty could be in the cards.
That is something I could definitely get behind.
Depending on the returns...

And I like Patty!

[PhantomDashCam]

Hypothetical speaking (slow day)- if Golden State offered #7, Wiseman, and Wiggins for DJ and White would you take it?

It's an interesting question.

My initial reaction was no.
The more I looked at it though and started to ask questions about what you could do with #7 and #12 theoretically; the answer suggests you could invest in some fascinating team construction.

How about Giddey and Kispert?
or
Wagner and Springer?
or
what would be really interesting - Giddey and Wagner?

I'm not huge on taking Wagner by himself in the draft but paired with the right guy/team - A Giddey/Wagner P'nR combo. flanked by KJ, Vassell and Wiseman could be a devastating mix in a few years.

[mo7888]

It's an interesting question.

My initial reaction was no.
The more I looked at it though and started to ask questions about what you could do with #7 and #12 theoretically; the answer suggests you could invest in some fascinating team construction.

How about Giddey and Kispert?
or
Wagner and Springer?
or
what would be really interesting - Giddey and Wagner?

I'm not huge on taking Wagner by himself in the draft but paired with the right guy/team - A Giddey/Wagner P'nR combo. flanked by KJ, Vassell and Wiseman could be a devastating mix in a few years.

I'm obviously sold on Wagner but, the way I see it is we end up with 3 young high upside players or 2 high upside a a high floor guy (Kispert or Duarte) and some cash left over to get a placeholder at PG. We could do alot worse...

It's a real path to getting the requisite talent to compete again.

[SpursDynasty85]

That is something I could definitely get behind.
Depending on the returns...

And I like Patty!

At this point Patty should be more valuable to a contender than to us. Unless we somehow get an all-star this summer.

[Mr. Body]

I have no idea why you'd trade two players who clearly are NBA players, not to mention good ones, for picks that you have no idea can play in the NBA.

[mo7888]

I have no idea why you'd trade two players who clearly are NBA players, not to mention good ones, for picks that you have no idea can play in the NBA.

Because you have a good idea what the ceilings are on the players we have and you want to gamble on better talent with higher upside.

[bdictjames]

Personally, I'd rather say goodbye to DJM. He is a great player, but not who you would like as a floor general. D-White is injury-prone, but I think he is a stable guard to have, much like a Malcolm Brogdon type of player.

[Ocotillo]

At this point Patty should be more valuable to a contender than to us. Unless we somehow get an all-star this summer.

Atlanta could use a vet on that roster that's been in a championship locker room.

[SAGirl]

I like both players. It would have to be a pretty damn good trade. Beyond those two and Keldon I don't know that we have much that other teams would covet enough to do a deal.
The issue is that the Spurs also don't have much aside from them (and picks they need to keep for themselves because the bottom may really fall off in case they injury or regression or whatever adversity, even for just the chance to pick high in the lottery if it comes to that). Their veterans are FA, the guys that are in their second deals are guys they'd rather not trade but in that case, they have nothing to deal.

[PhantomDashCam]

I have no idea why you'd trade two players who clearly are NBA players, not to mention good ones, for picks that you have no idea can play in the NBA.

That's fair. Obviously there is fair amount of risk involved but the question then would be how comfortable are you with each acquisitions' floor?

If you are, then I think mo7888 is on point with his assessment.

[talkspurs]

Interesting. Is Spurs trying to move up the draft or get another lottery pick? To get Duarte also? Tbh I'd rather like Duarte starting at SG and Derrick playing the PG. Tre can be a real dependable backup PG.

Or package DJ with Demar to get Simmons?

Whatever it is I hope the PATFO do something big this offseason.. I swear I'm ready to switch to soccer

How can you keep wanting to get rid of DJ but want to get Ben? you do realize DJ is better then Ben at a much lower salary right?

[CGD]

Hypothetical speaking (slow day)- if Golden State offered #7, Wiseman, and Wiggins for DJ and White would you take it?

Interesting. I think you have to keep one of Murray or White, but maybe adding Lonnie instead?

[buttsR4rebounding]

Would you make Murray available as part of an S&T for Collins?

[CGD]

Would you make Murray available as part of an S&T for Collins?

I don’t get the upshot if he could be had with space. Save DJ for another move

[buttsR4rebounding]

I don’t get the upshot if he could be had with space. Save DJ for another move

Atlanta could match. And if multiple teams are trying to get him that could cinch it. If you think he is a 20/10 guy for you do you pass it up?

[John B]

Atlanta could match. And if multiple teams are trying to get him that could cinch it. If you think he is a 20/10 guy for you do you pass it up?
Atlanta cannot match a Max offer and afford to sign Trae the following year. Collins is a Spur if he wants the most money. If Spurs think Collins is their 20/10 guy, they should do it imo. He is the same age as our core and could build around him.

[mo7888]

Interesting. I think you have to keep one of Murray or White, but maybe adding Lonnie instead?

I don't think Lonnie would get it done. Also, including White (his salary) gets us enough room to still have max money to use of someone or split between a couple guys.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Atlanta cannot match a Max offer and afford to sign Trae the following year. Collins is a Spur if he wants the most money. If Spurs think Collins is their 20/10 guy, they should do it imo. He is the same age as our core and could build around him.

Sure they can, quite easily actually, especially if they don't guarantee Galinari's contract for 2022/23 or trade him.

[exstatic]

Hypothetical speaking (slow day)- if Golden State offered #7, Wiseman, and Wiggins for DJ and White would you take it?

Doesn’t work, cap wise, and like the Lakers trade, you can’t bridge a trade over two league fiscal years, including picks from this year, and cap space from next.

[mo7888]

Doesn’t work, cap wise, and like the Lakers trade, you can’t bridge a trade over two league fiscal years, including picks from this year, and cap space from next.

Expound on that because the cap numbers do work with our ability to absorb Wiseman into our space. We would have to agree to the deal st the draft and consummate it afterwards and since there are no FA'S involved that shouldn't be a problem.

[KobesAchilles]

How can you keep wanting to get rid of DJ but want to get Ben? you do realize DJ is better then Ben at a much lower salary right?
It makes everybody play their original position. So while DJ might be a better player (I don’t think he is but let’s say he is) Ben is the better fit. White guards point guards, Lonnie SG, KJ SF, Ben PF, Goran/Jak/draft pick guards Center. We also would no longer be undersized and still be able to switch on defense.

[Chinook]

Doesn’t work, cap wise, and like the Lakers trade, you can’t bridge a trade over two league fiscal years, including picks from this year, and cap space from next.

This isn't true. You can totally agree to trades during the draft and execute them during after the new league year. You can't agree to an S&T because it requires a pending free agent to agree to a contract before the moratorium. That's tampering. The mentioned deal is fine.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

He's like a Dollar Tree Russell Wilson.

LMAO

[exstatic]

Expound on that because the cap numbers do work with our ability to absorb Wiseman into our space. We would have to agree to the deal st the draft and consummate it afterwards and since there are no FA'S involved that shouldn't be a problem.

No, the nba doesn’t allow that. They slapped down Sacto last year for trying that with Bodanovic, and he wound up in ATL.

You are trying to include assets from 20-21 (picks) and use cap space from 21-22 in the same trade. They won’t even let you trade the player rights after they’re drafted in a trade, because that would be circumventing that rule. No bueno. That’s also why that Laker trade won’t work.

[exstatic]

This isn't true. You can totally agree to trades during the draft and execute them during after the new league year. You can't agree to an S&T because it requires a pending free agent to agree to a contract before the moratorium. That's tampering. The mentioned deal is fine.

How can you use cap space a month before you have it? We can’t currently absorb Wiseman. I know you can do trades during the draft. It happens most years, but you must meet all trade requirements, so salaries must match, or you trade into cap room,which we will NOT have on July 29th.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

How can you use cap space a month before you have it? We can’t currently absorb Wiseman. I know you can do trades during the draft. It happens most years, but you must meet all trade requirements, so salaries must match, or you trade into cap room,which we will NOT have on July 29th.

They can agree in principle during the draft and execute the trade when possible.

The issue with Bogdanovic last year and the proposed DDR to Lakers deal is that these players were going to be FAs and teams shouldn't be able to talk to them , thus no chance to agree to a deal before the moratorium. White, Murray, Wiseman and Wiggins are all under contract, so no such problem.

[Chinook]

How can you use cap space a month before you have it? We can’t currently absorb Wiseman. I know you can do trades during the draft. It happens most years, but you must meet all trade requirements, so salaries must match, or you trade into cap room,which we will NOT have on July 29th.

BG already answered, but most draft day trades are already executed after the moratorium, since you aren't allowed to trade picks on draft day anyway. There's no need to get something done if you're just trading rights. Therefore, you can wait until a team has cap space to do the deal and just have it be a proposed, not-yet-binding deal in the interim.

[LeBowen]

It makes everybody play their original position. So while DJ might be a better player (I don’t think he is but let’s say he is) Ben is the better fit. White guards point guards, Lonnie SG, KJ SF, Ben PF, Goran/Jak/draft pick guards Center. We also would no longer be undersized and still be able to switch on defense.

Ben is not a better fit.

Spacing with DJ is awful and it would get exponentially worse with Ben.


You want Ben? Jakob has to go. Whenever Ben is on the floor, big sharing the floor with him needs a reliable jumpshot.
Derrick is a decent shooter, but nothing special.
Keldon is subpar at best, opponents want him to shoot the 3.
Lonnie would be the only somewhat reliable 3pt threat.

You need at least 2 elite 3pt shooters with Ben and a big who's reliable from deep.
The entire roster would need an overhaul. Not to mention that Ben's contract scales from 30 to 40 million per year.


We need fucking shooters, not another mental midget who'd be a spacing liability even if he played in the 80s.

[Dex]

Obviously I don't think anyone on the team is untouchable at this point.

It's unfortunate we haven't had a REAL chance to really see Murray/White tandem work yet. Part of that is on Pop for stubbornly refusing to play them together until last season, and partially due to the fact that White just can't seem to stay healthy.

I'd prefer we give it them each one more year to see if White can stay on the floor and (theoretically) have more playing time with the starting lineup if DeMar is gone. But I also won't be too upset if the Spurs trade either one because that means they are making some major changes which is probably long overdue.

[look_at_g_shred]

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[KobesAchilles]

That would be a terrible fucking trade ^

[The Truth #6]

The reasonable thing to do is see if we get a new coach and see what changes/progress that brings without trading anyone.

Yet, I’m still torn on DJM. He isn’t good enough of a distributor or shot creator to be the head of the snake, so to speak. Maybe he becomes a better 3 point shooter. And he learns to make better reads. But is that worth waiting several years to see? I think he has to have a different role, ideally more off the ball. I love his moxie but it also blinds him.

It reminds me of DDR wanting to prove everyone wrong when he came to SA, yet continued not to shoot three pointers, for example, and instead, more or less, play his same game, but passed more as a product of dominating the ball. But this draft has too many question marks for what we’d be able to move up to...7 or 8 isn’t worth trading DJM. Anyway. The conundrum of the Spurs.

[Mr. Body]

That would be a terrible fucking trade ^

It's from Twitter. How can it be terrible?

[offset formation]

Ben is not a better fit.

Spacing with DJ is awful and it would get exponentially worse with Ben.


You want Ben? Jakob has to go. Whenever Ben is on the floor, big sharing the floor with him needs a reliable jumpshot.
Derrick is a decent shooter, but nothing special.
Keldon is subpar at best, opponents want him to shoot the 3.
Lonnie would be the only somewhat reliable 3pt threat.

You need at least 2 elite 3pt shooters with Ben and a big who's reliable from deep.
The entire roster would need an overhaul. Not to mention that Ben's contract scales from 30 to 40 million per year.


We need fucking shooters, not another mental midget who'd be a spacing liability even if he played in the 80s.

yup you prolly can't have Ben and Jakob onthe floor simultaneously for lots of minutes. makes defending them too easy if they get to help defend off two ppl with no outside shot. I think defending them would overcome their defensive potential. or you get rid of Jakob or make him a bench guy again which we all know Jakob wouldn't like.

just doesn't make sense especially giving up a guy like Murray or white which give indications that they're spurs lifers.

me no likey.

[lmbebo]

Not opposed to trading for Simmons, but trade can't be as lopsided as made out to be on twitter...

[Thomas82]

Hypothetical speaking (slow day)- if Golden State offered #7, Wiseman, and Wiggins for DJ and White would you take it?

Hell yeah I would.

[talkspurs]

It makes everybody play their original position. So while DJ might be a better player (I don’t think he is but let’s say he is) Ben is the better fit. White guards point guards, Lonnie SG, KJ SF, Ben PF, Goran/Jak/draft pick guards Center. We also would no longer be undersized and still be able to switch on defense.

You can also just sign a 4 and move KJ to SF. would have better spacing as well.

[Chinook]

You can also just sign a 4 and move KJ to SF. would have better spacing as well.

Johnson's going to have to learn to shoot to stay on the floor. He's just not good enough otherwise. You certainly don't pass up on Ben Simmons because you have Keldon locked in as a starter.

White, Vassell, Kispert, Simmons, Poeltl is probably a strong two-way unit that has fine size and spacing and all that.

[CGD]

Sure they can, quite easily actually, especially if they don't guarantee Galinari's contract for 2022/23 or trade him.

I think it’s less about Trae, and more about Hunters max, Hueter’s healthy sized deal, and even Reddish. In some ways Collins is the most expendable thing especially if Okangu grows into that role.

[CGD]

I don't think Lonnie would get it done. Also, including White (his salary) gets us enough room to still have max money to use of someone or split between a couple guys.

I just won’t know if GSW would want both, for the same reason that many of us here think both don’t work here. But I see lots of value in 7+Wiseman.

[LkrFan]

Dejounte gonna look good in Purple and Gold armor.

#KLUTCH

[CGD]

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Im here for it. I’ve been saying a bold offseason would be:

1. DDR (s&t), Murray, + 1 more asset for Ben
2. Sign Collins
3. Somehow keep #12

Build around Ben and Collins with hopefully 2 of White, Vessel, Johnson.

[mo7888]

I just won’t know if GSW would want both, for the same reason that many of us here think both don’t work here. But I see lots of value in 7+Wiseman.

GS probably have bigger fish they will pursue but, if they can make a bigger deal this really helps them alot. DJ playing a role where he's doesn't consider himself as the alpha would be really good for him and his defense in that scheme fits well and White as a secondary ball handler gives them tons of depth and options to use on the wings. They could do alot worse...and if they are in the 'win-now' mode they claim to be in this helps them more the next couple years than Wiseman + #7.

[TD 21]

I think it’s less about Trae, and more about Hunters max, Hueter’s healthy sized deal, and even Reddish. In some ways Collins is the most expendable thing especially if Okangu grows into that role.

It's Okongwu and he's a five. He can guard a lot of fours, but he can't function next to another rim runner like Capela.

If/when they move on from Collins, expect Hunter to play more four.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I think it’s less about Trae, and more about Hunters max, Hueter’s healthy sized deal, and even Reddish. In some ways Collins is the most expendable thing especially if Okangu grows into that role.

Well they'll certainly be unable to keep everyone but they have time to make these decisions. Hunter's new contract won't kick in until 23/24 when Capela and others would have expired. Theoretically they can pay Trae, Collins and Hunter, build around them and trade Huerter and Reddish. They're not pressed to make these decisions so early though. I expect them to shop Huerter and Okongwu soon.

Now if they don't think Collins is worth keeping over someone else then sure they could let him walk, but I don't think that'd be wise in terms of roster construction. They could also sign Collins and trade him in a year or two if they change their mind, provided they think he'd have value at the contract they'd give him.

[SpursDynasty85]

Im here for it. I’ve been saying a bold offseason would be:

1. DDR (s&t), Murray, + 1 more asset for Ben
2. Sign Collins
3. Somehow keep #12

Build around Ben and Collins with hopefully 2 of White, Vessel, Johnson.

Ben Simmons at that price is a risk unless you have a truck full of shooters to put around him. I'd be on board with Collins over Ben though. I wonder if a sign and trade with Demar + Walker for Collins would be the only way Atlanta lets Collins go (assuming Spurs think Collins is our guy).

[mo7888]

Im here for it. I’ve been saying a bold offseason would be:

1. DDR (s&t), Murray, + 1 more asset for Ben
2. Sign Collins
3. Somehow keep #12

Build around Ben and Collins with hopefully 2 of White, Vessel, Johnson.

It's hard for me to see Ben and Poeltl on the court together. Keldon really wouldn't fit either next to Collins and Ben if you assume they are playing the 3 & 4 and you have a floor spacing 5. I'd probably prefer either Ben or Collins but not both unless I was willing to move DJ +White (for Ben) and Poeltl + KJ for other players. That's a ton change to the roster though.

[neboat]

Trade for Ben and build a team around him. His shooting will improve, especially if he's with the Spurs

[tim_duncan_fan]

Trade for Ben and build a team around him. His shooting will improve, especially if he's with the Spurs

Can't build around someone with no killer instinct.

[neboat]

Hard for spurs to attract the top names. Ben's stock has dropped a lot and he's still got very high potential... Not saying he'll ever have TD or Manu level killer instinct, but it should grow as he matures

[John B]

Trade for Ben and build a team around him. His shooting will improve, especially if he's with the Spurs

It’s hard to be excited for Simmons when Spurs main challenge has been spacing as it is. Demar is so much better, whether you agree or not, and we’ve missed the last two playoffs. And now that Demar finally could be leaving and a chance to rebuild, then you bring in Simmons? :lol:lol

[Mr. Body]

It’s hard to be excited for Simmons when Spurs main challenge has been spacing as it is. Demar is so much better, whether you agree or not, and we’ve missed the last two playoffs. And now that Demar finally could be leaving and a chance to rebuild, then you bring in Simmons? :lol:lol

I also don't get it.

[BackHome]

Yeah I like Simmons defensive side but even with all that his mind is fragile he doesn't have that Killer instinct to win you games when they count

[neboat]

Demar is at the age where he isn’t gonna change or add to his game

But Simmons young enough and I’d think he wants to get better and redeem himself. If the Spurs staff feels he’s pretty much what he’s now despite his youth and he’s not gonna improve much in terms of shooting and overall growth , yeah doesn’t make sense to get him then.

[GAustex]

Got a feeling I do that Simmons would not be happy playing in dusty ol SA

[CGD]

It's hard for me to see Ben and Poeltl on the court together. Keldon really wouldn't fit either next to Collins and Ben if you assume they are playing the 3 & 4 and you have a floor spacing 5. I'd probably prefer either Ben or Collins but not both unless I was willing to move DJ +White (for Ben) and Poeltl + KJ for other players. That's a ton change to the roster though.

Fair points, though, I’m OK with more turnover honestly. From a spacing perspective, I wonder if Simmons + Lauri wouldn’t be a better pairing than Simmons Collins?

You give up a lot on defense swapping Jak and Lauri, but on the other end playing White, Vassel, Johnson, Simmons would be one good defensive unit.

[exstatic]

Got a feeling I do that Simmons would not be happy playing in dusty ol SA

You think he LIKES the brutal big market media? SA is basically a free pass in that department.

[GAustex]

You think he LIKES the brutal big market media? SA is basically a free pass in that department.
I think he likes the attention when it’s not critical. To me he rolls like a Kardasian and that ain’t SA. Maybe I’m not thinking about like you say.

[Chinook]

Fair points, though, I’m OK with more turnover honestly. From a spacing perspective, I wonder if Simmons + Lauri wouldn’t be a better pairing than Simmons Collins?

You give up a lot on defense swapping Jak and Lauri, but on the other end playing White, Vassel, Johnson, Simmons would be one good defensive unit.

As I mentioned in the other thread, you use Poeltl as one of the main pieces going back to Philly and re-up Dieng while drafting a three-and-D big. The position would probably be a multi-year project, but it's better than committing a bunch of money to Mark because you want a stretch-five right now.

[John B]

Damn I’m warming on this Simmons possibility. Draft Giddey and retain Mills too :lol

But yeah, it could be the ticket to a potential franchise player, and international at that. The kid is only 24 and could be here in a long time. I see the planets aligning :lol

[CGD]

As I mentioned in the other thread, you use Poeltl as one of the main pieces going back to Philly and re-up Dieng while drafting a three-and-D big. The position would probably be a multi-year project, but it's better than committing a bunch of money to Mark because you want a stretch-five right now.

Im probably unreasonably holding to hope that DDR would be part of a deal to Philly using basic formula of establish “star” + good young player + future asset. Not saying that DDR is their preference, but I do think they’re under the gun to but turnkey pieces around Embiid now (not just a bunch of picks and 1-3rd year players). Then again they may see Jak, White, Murray differently.

The other DDR S&T scenario Im intrigued by is to Indiana for the last two years of Turner’s deal. Not that he’s an excellent 3pt shooter but his % over last 2-3 years are not too dissimilar to Dengs. The upside of course is on defense.

[Chinook]

Im probably unreasonably holding to hope that DDR would be part of a deal to Philly using basic formula of establish “star” + good young player + future asset. Not saying that DDR is their preference, but I do think they’re under the gun to but turnkey pieces around Embiid now (not just a bunch of picks and 1-3rd year players). Then again they may see Jak, White, Murray differently.

The other DDR S&T scenario Im intrigued by is to Indiana for the last two years of Turner’s deal. Not that he’s an excellent 3pt shooter but his % over last 2-3 years are not too dissimilar to Dengs. The upside of course is on defense.

That's also possible. For me the point of using Poeltl is to add value more than being filler. Maybe Murray and Poeltl (and Walker say) is enough to change 12 into a future first or to get 28 back, and retaining the future flexibility is critical when you make a trade this big without it opening a title window. You hope White gets healthy and can be a minor star, and Simmons is a mid-star and that you have the capital to make that all-in trade in a couple of years. I have no idea who that "all-in" guy would be yet, but usually you need to have the assets before that guy becomes available

[Manu&Duncan fan]

I also don't get it.

Me too. Don't get it.

[R. DeMurre]

You think he LIKES the brutal big market media? SA is basically a free pass in that department.

He's 10x more active on Instagram than Dejounte is and he dated a Kardashian... I think he enjoys the attention more than most. Of course no one likes harsh criticism, but I don't think he could ever be classified as disinterested in that kind of stuff, like Timmy & Manu.

[exstatic]

Damn I’m warming on this Simmons possibility. Draft Giddey and retain Mills too :lol

But yeah, it could be the ticket to a potential franchise player, and international at that. The kid is only 24 and could be here in a long time. I see the planets aligning :lol

Giddey will never be a good shooter, and his vision and passing aren’t any better, plus his defense and athleticism are far inferior. Why would you draft a homeless man’s version of Simmons if you’re getting Simmons?

[exstatic]

That's also possible. For me the point of using Poeltl is to add value more than being filler. Maybe Murray and Poeltl (and Walker say) is enough to change 12 into a future first or to get 28 back, and retaining the future flexibility is critical when you make a trade this big without it opening a title window. You hope White gets healthy and can be a minor star, and Simmons is a mid-star and that you have the capital to make that all-in trade in a couple of years. I have no idea who that "all-in" guy would be yet, but usually you need to have the assets before that guy becomes available
I’m going to ask first this time. Did you really just propose Poeltl, DJ, maybe Lonnie + 12 for an as yet to be determined future 1st round pick?

[mo7888]

I’m going to ask first this time. Did you really just propose Poeltl, DJ, maybe Lonnie + 12 for an as yet to be determined future 1st round pick?

No he didn't... he purposed it to get Simmons + a future 1st or #28 and it was more on the lines of looking at the different options open to us as opposed to a specific endorsement.

[spurraider21]

It’s hard to be excited for Simmons when Spurs main challenge has been spacing as it is. Demar is so much better, whether you agree or not, and we’ve missed the last two playoffs. And now that Demar finally could be leaving and a chance to rebuild, then you bring in Simmons? :lol:lol
simmons is an elite defensive player. he's a much better guy to have than derozan, its not even close

[Ignazzz]

Giddey will never be a good shooter, and his vision and passing aren’t any better, plus his defense and athleticism are far inferior. Why would you draft a homeless man’s version of Simmons if you’re getting Simmons?

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[SequSpur]

Dejounte Murray is horrible. Just like most of your washed up kool aid opinions. Do you dumb asses ever watch a game?

[objective]

There was a Pacers podcast this past week where the hosts did a bunch of fake trade proposals. One they both liked was Dejounte Murray and Lonnie Walker for Myles Turner and Aaron Holiday.

They seem a lot higher in Murray than some Spurs fans or maybe just a lot lower on Turner.

[CGD]

There was a Pacers podcast this past week where the hosts did a bunch of fake trade proposals. One they both liked was Dejounte Murray and Lonnie Walker for Myles Turner and Aaron Holiday.

They seem a lot higher in Murray than some Spurs fans or maybe just a lot lower on Turner.

It’s in the ballpark, but seems a tad rich for Turner.

[Chinook]

I'd certainly do Murray for Turner in a vacuum. They'd need to find a Poeltl trade though.

[tbdog]

I would look into Sexton. It would take at least Walker and 12 to get it done.

[Mr. Body]

I would look into Sexton. It would take at least Walker and 12 to get it done.

NYK are reportedly going extremely hard for him, so you'd have to do much better than that.

[lmbebo]

Dejounte Murray on Twitter: "TRUST NO ONE!!!!!" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/DejounteMurray/status/1418751953346207747)

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Trade Murray and white. White is way too injury prone

[SpurPadre]

Trade Murray and white. White is way too injury prone

And overrated AF by Spurs fans.

[John B]

I like both and waited so long for them to play together. But I could get a pure shooter like Duarte in the draft, I’d rather him start. White is a better facilitator than DJ and able to get Poeltl going early, compare to the heavy iso of DJ. As much as I like DJ, and I think he would be an AS eventually, I’ll give the keys to Derrick.

[CGD]

There was a Pacers podcast this past week where the hosts did a bunch of fake trade proposals. One they both liked was Dejounte Murray and Lonnie Walker for Myles Turner and Aaron Holiday.

They seem a lot higher in Murray than some Spurs fans or maybe just a lot lower on Turner.

I like the idea of a Collins or Simmons + Turner Pairing.

Round out with White, Vassel, Keldon. Or maybe a FA shooter like Duncan Robinson.

[Dex]

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[The Truth #6]

1418751953346207747

I feel this relationship will eventually not end well. But I get it, this is how people motivate themselves now, I guess.

[PrimeMinister]

You’d think Myles turner was a 20/10 guy on top of his defense the way he’s talked about here

Simmons+Turner is the same idea as the Embiid pairing but worse.

Murray has an additional year under team control and is a more valuable asset than Myles turner. I don’t know if it’s a side effect of the media apparatus at large chronically ignoring the spurs and that rubbing off on some fans- but Myles turner is not worth dejounte Murray.

[Dex]

I feel this relationship will eventually not end well. But I get it, this is how people motivate themselves now, I guess.

DJ is just young, and it shows in the way he mouths off on social media.

Obviously, this may not be basketball related at all...but if it's not, it's still a very nebulous thing to say 5 days before the draft.

By all accounts, he has bought into the Spurs way and wants to be with the team, but that doesn't make him untouchable. That should be the expectation for every player.

He needs to realize that he is not a Tim Duncan, or even a Manu Ginobili or Tony Parker. His name WILL get involved in trade talks, even if the FO is just exploring options.

If he starts taking that personally and making it a chip on his shoulder, it's going to be a tough career for him.

[buttsR4rebounding]

DJ is just young, and it shows in the way he mouths off on social media.

Obviously, this may not be basketball related at all...but if it's not, it's still a very nebulous thing to say 5 days before the draft.

By all accounts, he has bought into the Spurs way and wants to be with the team, but that doesn't make him untouchable. That should be the expectation for every player.

He needs to realize that he is not a Tim Duncan, or even a Manu Ginobili or Tony Parker. His name WILL get involved in trade talks, even if the FO is just exploring options.

If he starts taking that personally and making it a chip on his shoulder, it's going to be a tough career for him.

This is also why many FOs lie to the players (like Toronto with DeRozan) because they can't separate DJM the person from DJM the professional basketball player. They take it personally. It is likely that PATFO have been honest with him and due to his youth and inexperience he is butthurt. I haven't seen the same (although he may feel the same) reaction from White. Of course, White was not a heavily recruited HS player like Murray. Murray has been told he is God's gift to basketball for at least the last 10 years of his life and likely feels a greater sense of entitlement than White.

[The Truth #6]

I say don’t trust IG models foremost. The NBA is a business. Players and FO screw each over constantly. Meanwhile, the fans just put up with it.

[The Truth #6]

As for trades: DJM, Yak, and LWIV should be the ones, along with DDR, if something pops up.

[R. DeMurre]

I think emotions about being traded or being mentioned in trade talks are strong, even if previously a guy says he knows it's possible. Every guy says "I know the NBA is a business" and then they act shocked that they might potentially be mentioned in trade talks... Unless you're Giannis, Jokic, or a half dozen other guys, you should understand that getting traded is a possibility.

[8sy21vd]

I like both but the team is coming off back2back losing seasons. Nobody should be off the table in trades if the price is right. Personally, I think the organization needs new leadership more than anything so we can 'get with the times'. Decision making in the front office is hurting us more than anything imo.

[RC_Drunkford]

Murray is the one guy wouldn't trade. I think White who's basically entering his prime and is always hurt is the one that you move. Murray still has a lot of upside

[BackHome]

I am really hoping that Danny Ferry will be the one in charge when Pop hangs it up as far as decision maker.