I hereby declare the Messi-Penaldo discussion oficially over

[Hoops Czar]

Haaland had 0 goals in the semi finals and finals of all tourneys City played in. They scored 12 goals in those 5 matches.

Haaland is great but never had the decisive goals often enough. Much like lewandowski they score when the team scores in bunches, but very very rarely do you recall match winning goals. Haaland suffers from playing on a brilliant team, Messi inarguably had more of a carry job in the NT than Haaland in CL.

Well OK, however, I can't recall Messi scoring a big or decsive goal in the French Ligue one because there were no big or decisive games to begin with. I'm also well aware that PSG won their league by a single point over Lens. I'm also aware that it's undoubtedly the only top five league they would have finished first in. Yes, Man City are brilliant but it's almost forgotten that PSG had Mbappe and Neymar in addition to Messi. That's not too shabby either. Talk about a bunch of classic underachievers.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Well OK, however, I can't recall Messi scoring a big or decsive goal in the French Ligue one because there were no big or decisive games to begin with. I'm also well aware that PSG won their league by a single point over Lens. I'm also aware that it's undoubtedly the only top five league they would have finished first in. Yes, Man City are brilliant but it's almost forgotten that PSG had Mbappe and Neymar in addition to Messi. That's not too shabby either. Talk about a bunch of classic underachievers.

PSG have zero midfield and very very top heavy along with Neymar injured for half of every season. I totally agree they underachieved, but even now they’re much worse needing a dubious penalty just to scrape a point off of Newcastle. The team was horribly balanced. And man city were the kings of underachievers in CL for many years now but credit to them for getting over the hump now.


If psg only won the league by 1 point and Messi had 16 goals and 16 assists last season so clearly without him, they aren’t winning the league. They also don’t win the league the season prior to him joining. But either way, the team was a let down in CL, but Messi was incredibly decisive in the WC, and that’s why he understandably won the ballon d’or. Haaland is a luxury piece and a brilliant one, but city actually look much worse without Rodri than they do with Haaland.

[DAF86]

Have you ever actually sat down and watched an EPL game involving Man City within the last decade? The majority of teams park the bus against City making it more challenging to score. It's why City has so much possession because opposing teams put ten in the box.

You mean like teams used to do against Messi's Barcelona? You think Messi wouldn't do well and statpad under those circumstances?


yeah, there's more scoring in the premier league in general because the level of competition is much greater than that shithole of a French Ligue one. The City-Chelsea game was an anomaly. As bad as City's defense has been this year, they rarely give up more than a goal or two. Let me put it another way, if City and PSG switched places, they would absolutely thrash the French Ligue one. City would be centurions every season.

Yeah, because City are the much better side. That's the advantage Haaland had at club level.


Lets keep it simple, Messi won the Ballon D'or because it was a WC year and his team won, not because of his stat padding in a farmer's league. But, it's also pretty obvious that Messi was surrounded by better players at Argentina than Haaland had at Norway. Put Messi on Norway and Haaland on Argentina, Norway doesn't make it out of the group stage while Argentina are still competing for a WC.

Swap Haaland for Messi in City, Messi would thrive under a system and manager that got the most of him, and City would still win it all.

Swap Messi for Haaland in Argentina, they don't win the World Cup.

Simple as that.

But this isn't about hypotheticals, this is about what happened. And what happened is that Messi posted better individual stats while winning the same amount of tournaments, with the difference that Messi won the most important one. Conclusion = Messi was the rightful winner of the Ballon D'or.

[FrostKing]

Thought the same in the mid 80s, tbh... eras are different though, once you start talking about rule changes, pitch quality, etc...
True. There will always be nostalgia bias.

In the past before Leagues were globally accessible the Legends were remembered by a handful of International knockout games. Now these same players are being watched as they age in domestic leagues.

I haven't really watched much footy since the WC. I really enjoyed it. Seems many of the participating stars are struggling since. Hoping the Euros rebounds my interest.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

No Rodri, no party.

Haaland isn't even the most important City player

[lefty]

No Rodri, no party.

Haaland isn't even the most important City player

Also that RW sonce Mahrez left has been meh , Bernardo, Foden, Alvarez are great but it’s not the best position for them, Mahrez could break down defenses 1 on 1
Gundo’s absence is also felt

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Also that RW sonce Mahrez left has been meh , Bernardo, Foden, Alvarez are great but it’s not the best position for them, Mahrez could break down defenses 1 on 1
Gundo’s absence is also felt

Well said!

[Hoops Czar]

No Rodri, no party.

Haaland isn't even the most important City player

Box score sniffing aside, it's actually no Grealish, no Doku, No De Bruyne, No Rodri, no party. Rodri's importance is magnified only because City doesn't have a suitable replacement backing him up. Phillips is straight up trash, Nunes isn't very good either and Lewis is raw and unpolished. City's best and most important player is De Bruyne and it's not even close. They have players that can break the lines but very few that can actually unlock defenses. However, Haaland's role is understated. His presence alone makes City a better squad. He takes attention away from Alvarez and Foden allowing them to work in more space. No shame in admitting Haaland isn't City's best player just like there's no crime in admitting that Mbappe was PSG's best player.

The Luton Town exhibition game was a car crash offensively. A rebound goal by Bernardo and a slow roller of the side of the goalies leg by Grealish was all that separated City from losing to one of the worst teams in the EPL. A decent team and they would have lost for sure, Rodri or no Rodri.

[Hoops Czar]

Also that RW sonce Mahrez left has been meh , Bernardo, Foden, Alvarez are great but it’s not the best position for them, Mahrez could break down defenses 1 on 1
Gundo’s absence is also felt
Doku is three times the player Mahrez was even though he plays on the left side. Mahrez was a bench player for much of the season last year. They miss is penalty takes and his free kicks but they mis Gundogan a lot more.

[Hoops Czar]

You mean like teams used to do against Messi's Barcelona? You think Messi wouldn't do well and statpad under those circumstances?



Yeah, because City are the much better side. That's the advantage Haaland had at club level.



Swap Haaland for Messi in City, Messi would thrive under a system and manager that got the most of him, and City would still win it all.

Swap Messi for Haaland in Argentina, they don't win the World Cup.

Simple as that.

But this isn't about hypotheticals, this is about what happened. And what happened is that Messi posted better individual stats while winning the same amount of tournaments, with the difference that Messi won the most important one. Conclusion = Messi was the rightful winner of the Ballon D'or.

Haaland had 61 goals + assists compared to Messi's 40 across all competitions last season playing in a more competitive league. Hell, Haaland had more goals scored in the EPL (36) than Messi had goals + assists combined (32) in Ligue one. Messi didn't even lead his own team in goals + assists. That distinction belongs to Mbappe with 50.You're being obtuse if you think Messi won it for any other reason than winning the World Cup.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Box score sniffing aside, it's actually no Grealish, no Doku, No De Bruyne, No Rodri, no party. Rodri's importance is magnified only because City doesn't have a suitable replacement backing him up. Phillips is straight up trash, Nunes isn't very good either and Lewis is raw and unpolished. City's best and most important player is De Bruyne and it's not even close. They have players that can break the lines but very few that can actually unlock defenses. However, Haaland's role is understated. His presence alone makes City a better squad. He takes attention away from Alvarez and Foden allowing them to work in more space. No shame in admitting Haaland isn't City's best player just like there's no crime in admitting that Mbappe was PSG's best player.

The Luton Town exhibition game was a car crash offensively. A rebound goal by Bernardo and a slow roller of the side of the goalies leg by Grealish was all that separated City from losing to one of the worst teams in the EPL. A decent team and they would have lost for sure, Rodri or no Rodri.

Haaland once again rarely gets the decisive goals. He’s a luxury and without service he’s a ghost. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a great player but the cherry on a well oiled machine not the engine.

Also Haaland had everyone setting things up for him to score at the receiving end, Messi was the one having to service mbappe as he plays far deeper. A game where Haaland doesn’t score isn’t nearly as good as one where Messi doesn’t score as Messi has to drop deep and player much deeper just to get the ball forward. Haaland just has to wait for the ball to ge to him.

I have no problem saying mbappe was PSG’s best player, but Messi isn’t even a top 2 option for scoring for psg. City were winning elk’s well before Haaland arrived. That system Pep has is a dream for any striker as nobody generates more chances consistently as city does thanks to their insane depth and midfield.

Remove Messi from Argentina, they don’t get out of the group stage, remove Haaland from city and they’re still right at the top.

Your stats for goals and assist combined during ballon d’or voting:

Haaland: 61

Messi: 56


Your “40” is wrong

Yes, epl is tougher than French league but epl also has far more scoring than the French league and city were dominating epl even before Haaland arrived. PSG failed to win the league the season prior to Messi arriving.


It’s unfortunate for Haaland, as most other seasons he would’ve won ballon d’or, but as we discussed before zero goals in semi finals and finals where city scored a whopping 12 goals don’t help his case.

Haaland is a victim of man city city’s strength as a team overall where Messi had the much bigger carry job Argentina.

Of course, without the WC, Messi wouldn’t have even been top 3 in voting but a stellar WC definitely helped his case.

[Hoops Czar]

Haaland once again rarely gets the decisive goals. He’s a luxury and without service he’s a ghost. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a great player but the cherry on a well oiled machine not the engine.

Also Haaland had everyone setting things up for him to score at the receiving end, Messi was the one having to service mbappe as he plays far deeper. A game where Haaland doesn’t score isn’t nearly as good as one where Messi doesn’t score as Messi has to drop deep and player much deeper just to get the ball forward. Haaland just has to wait for the ball to ge to him.

I have no problem saying mbappe was PSG’s best player, but Messi isn’t even a top 2 option for scoring for psg. City were winning elk’s well before Haaland arrived. That system Pep has is a dream for any striker as nobody generates more chances consistently as city does thanks to their insane depth and midfield.

Remove Messi from Argentina, they don’t get out of the group stage, remove Haaland from city and they’re still right at the top.

Your stats for goals and assist combined during ballon d’or voting:

Haaland: 61

Messi: 56


Your “40” is wrong

Yes, epl is tougher than French league but epl also has far more scoring than the French league and city were dominating epl even before Haaland arrived. PSG failed to win the league the season prior to Messi arriving.


It’s unfortunate for Haaland, as most other seasons he would’ve won ballon d’or, but as we discussed before zero goals in semi finals and finals where city scored a whopping 12 goals don’t help his case.

Haaland is a victim of man city city’s strength as a team overall where Messi had the much bigger carry job Argentina.

Of course, without the WC, Messi wouldn’t have even been top 3 in voting but a stellar WC definitely helped his case.

In many cases, Haaland scored the first goal which a lot of times was the decisive goal. After that, City piled on goals for fun, turning close games into a laugher. I don't know what a decisive goal looks like in Ligue 1 because it's a one team league. Lens is probably the second best team and they got smacked sideways by Arsenal in Champions League.

PSG had won seven titles in nine years prior to Messi's arrival so it's not like they were short on success. It's not like Messi was doing more with less. mbappe and Neymar are considered two of the best strikers in the world and both of them are capable of creating their own shot with or without Messi's help.

Argentina is no, 1 in world football power rankings and Norway is 44. There's a slight gap in talent between the two. If you take Messi off Argentina, they'll still be in the top five or ten. They probably wouldn't win a WC but they'd be very competitive. The same can't be said for Norway.

I was using FBRef to tally Messi's goals + assists. In Ligue 1, he had 16 goals and 16 assists. In Champions league, he had 4 goals and 4 assists. What am I missing here?

https://fbref.com/en/squads/e2d8892c/2022-2023/all_comps/Paris-Saint-Germain-Stats-All-Competitions

Your last sentence is spot on. Without winning the WC, Messi doesn't win the Ballon d’or.

[DAF86]

Haaland had 61 goals + assists compared to Messi's 40 across all competitions last season playing in a more competitive league. Hell, Haaland had more goals scored in the EPL (36) than Messi had goals + assists combined (32) in Ligue one. Messi didn't even lead his own team in goals + assists. That distinction belongs to Mbappe with 50.You're being obtuse if you think Messi won it for any other reason than winning the World Cup.

I never said that, tbh. Of course Messi won it because of the WC. What I'm saying is that casuals like you think Messi was shit outside the WC and that couldn't be further from the truth. He had a pretty dammn good season for PSG. In fact, he had an historic one. In fact, many PSG fans thought he was the man of the tournament in Ligue 1. At the end of the day, Messi was a rightful winner of the Ballon D'or, just like Haaland would have also been if he had been selected. Anyone screaming robery is just being a subjective faggot, tbh.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

In many cases, Haaland scored the first goal which a lot of times was the decisive goal. After that, City piled on goals for fun, turning close games into a laugher. I don't know what a decisive goal looks like in Ligue 1 because it's a one team league. Lens is probably the second best team and they got smacked sideways by Arsenal in Champions League.

PSG had won seven titles in nine years prior to Messi's arrival so it's not like they were short on success. It's not like Messi was doing more with less. mbappe and Neymar are considered two of the best strikers in the world and both of them are capable of creating their own shot with or without Messi's help.

Argentina is no, 1 in world football power rankings and Norway is 44. There's a slight gap in talent between the two. If you take Messi off Argentina, they'll still be in the top five or ten. They probably wouldn't win a WC but they'd be very competitive. The same can't be said for Norway.

I was using FBRef to tally Messi's goals + assists. In Ligue 1, he had 16 goals and 16 assists. In Champions league, he had 4 goals and 4 assists. What am I missing here?

https://fbref.com/en/squads/e2d8892c/2022-2023/all_comps/Paris-Saint-Germain-Stats-All-Competitions

Your last sentence is spot on. Without winning the WC, Messi doesn't win the Ballon d’or.

Dude that is beyond ridiculous and you know it. Messi was suspended 3 games during WQ qualifiers and Argentina scraped by just to qualify:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/sports/soccer/argentina-world-cup-messi.html#:~:text=RIO%20DE%20JANEIRO%20%E2%80%94% 20Argentina%20and,in%20Buenos%20Aires%20on%20Thurs day.

It wasn’t till Messi came back that he got them to squeak by. No shame in admitting Messi had a far far bigger carry job with Argentina than Haaland did with city.

I got my goals assists stats from transfermarket

[lefty]

Doku is three times the player Mahrez was even though he plays on the left side. Mahrez was a bench player for much of the season last year. They miss is penalty takes and his free kicks but they mis Gundogan a lot more.
:lmao

Ok I'll bump this when Doku wins PFA and helps Leicester wins a PL title

[Hoops Czar]

I never said that, tbh. Of course Messi won it because of the WC. What I'm saying is that casuals like you think Messi was shit outside the WC and that couldn't be further from the truth. He had a pretty dammn good season for PSG. In fact, he had an historic one. In fact, many PSG fans thought he was the man of the tournament in Ligue 1. At the end of the day, Messi was a rightful winner of the Ballon D'or, just like Haaland would have also been if he had been selected. Anyone screaming robery is just being a subjective faggot, tbh.

I never said that, tbh. I said Messi's numbers were inflated because he was playing in a one team league, playing alongside two super stars who also put up great numbers. I mean, is there even such a thing as putting up historic numbers in Ligue one? PSG is the Man City of Ligue one. Seven titles in nine years speaks for itself. I don't see any comparisons between the EPL and Ligue one other than they both reside in Europe. They're worlds apart in terms of competition. In fact, I don't believe for a second that Messi would put up comparable statlines if he had played in the EPL. That's my contention.

The Ballon d’or honors the male player who performed best over the previous year. Messi didn't have a better year than Haaland, he had a better month and a half. Also, you don't it's a coincidence that a French football magazine award presented in Paris, France had a little something to do with Messi walking away with no. 8??? Then, I don't know what to tell you. Of course he's a great player and deserved to be nominated. I never said otherwise.

I also don't buy the notion that Haaland plays for a great team and that works against him. Name me an NBA MVP that played for a losing team? Yeah, City were great before he arrived but they didn't win Champions League until he showed up and they became just the second team in EPL history to win the treble. What did Messi's team do outside of the WC? They won Ligue one like they were expected to do and they were eliminated from Champions League like they were expected to do.

[Hoops Czar]

Dude that is beyond ridiculous and you know it. Messi was suspended 3 games during WQ qualifiers and Argentina scraped by just to qualify:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/sports/soccer/argentina-world-cup-messi.html#:~:text=RIO%20DE%20JANEIRO%20%E2%80%94% 20Argentina%20and,in%20Buenos%20Aires%20on%20Thurs day.

It wasn’t till Messi came back that he got them to squeak by. No shame in admitting Messi had a far far bigger carry job with Argentina than Haaland did with city.



I got my goals assists stats from transfermarket

I can't read that article because I don't have a subscription. I'm confused. Are you saying they almost didn't qualify for the WC? They finished 6 points off Brazil and 15 points better than Peru who lost to Australia in a play off.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(CONMEBOL)

Why are you comparing club and country? I was talking about Norway, not City. Yeah, Messi had a bigger carry job at Argentina than Haaland had at City but so what? Norway has no talent outside of Haaland. Argentina still has Alvarez, Martinez, Dybala and Di Maria and they're aren't going to drop out of the top ten to fifteen if Messi isn't there. Norway is currently 44th with Haaland. The two teams couldn't be any further apart in the rankings. They're complete polar opposites.

[FrostKing]

Haaland had 0 goals in the semi finals and finals of all tourneys City played in. They scored 12 goals in those 5 matches.

Haaland is great but never had the decisive goals often enough. Much like lewandowski they score when the team scores in bunches, but very very rarely do you recall match winning goals. Haaland suffers from playing on a brilliant team, Messi inarguably had more of a carry job in the NT than Haaland in CL.

Ronaldo during Real's UCL hostage takeover is only Striker that regularly scored in big matches and it was almost never decisive moment.

Come on UCL SemiFinals, gameplan #1 cut off the 9 Striker. Facing Italians? He ain't touching the ball

I'll step in and defend Lewy. When he first joined Bayern and they played those heavyweight classics against Real, Robben & Ribery were selfish. I watched alot of Bundesliga at the time and never remember them partnering on an attack. No surprise Bayern 3-Peat again when both retired and Lewy created partnership with Coman & Gnabry. Muller especially.

I absolutely loved those 3-straight UCL of Bayern vs Real. Attended sports bars. My favorite era.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Ronaldo during Real's UCL hostage takeover is only Striker that regularly scored in big matches and it was almost never decisive moment.

Come on UCL SemiFinals, gameplan #1 cut off the 9 Striker. Facing Italians? He ain't touching the ball

I'll step in and defend Lewy. When he first joined Bayern and they played those heavyweight classics against Real, Robben & Ribery were selfish. I watched alot of Bundesliga at the time and never remember them partnering on an attack. No surprise Bayern 3-Peat again when both retired and Lewy created partnership with Coman & Gnabry. Muller especially.

I absolutely loved those 3-straight UCL of Bayern vs Real. Attended sports bars. My favorite era.

Are you kidding? Ronaldo scored a ton in ucl and many were decisive. All the crazy comebacks Madrid had in second legs were usually thanks to Ronaldo prior to the final. He was often a ghost in the ucl finals but anything before that it absolutely was decisive as he would have 90% of their goals.


Lewy is the complete opposite, he would get his goals while Bayern were on a roll, but if it’s a tight 1-0 or 2-1 in ucl rarely would lewy be found. Kane is already on pace to crush what lewy was doing with Bayern. Lewy and Ronaldo are very different in ucl.

[DAF86]

I never said that, tbh. I said Messi's numbers were inflated because he was playing in a one team league, playing alongside two super stars who also put up great numbers.

And you are horribly wrong. We have stated that the Premier League has a more open style of play and teams score more goals. Also, playing along other superstars goes against your individual numbers, just like in the NBA. Messi would have scored more goals if he was the one taking penalties instead of Mbappe or if he didn't have to share free kicks with Neymar. PSG game style was also built for Mbappe being the finisher, while Messi played as a playmaker. All of this played agaisnt Messi getting more goals.

If Messi played in City, under Pep and alongside Julián Alvarez, who compliments Messi's game like no other player, Lionel would have won another Golden Boot.

So, yeah, your argument has no merit at all.


I mean, is there even such a thing as putting up historic numbers in Ligue one?

Yeah, that's why no other player did what Messi did. If it were so easy to stat pad in Ligue 1, one would assume another guy would have done what Messi did.


PSG is the Man City of Ligue one. Seven titles in nine years speaks for itself. I don't see any comparisons between the EPL and Ligue one other than they both reside in Europe. They're worlds apart in terms of competition.

You say they are worlds apart in terms of competation yet acknowledge that City dominates PL just as much, if not more, than PSG in Ligue 1. The season prior to Messi joining PSG, PSG didn't win the league, tbh.


In fact, I don't believe for a second that Messi would put up comparable statlines if he had played in the EPL. That's my contention.

And, like I said, you are laughably wrong. Swap Messi for Haaland in City, Messi would thrive under Pep's system, playing alongside Julian in a more open league. Not only he would get more stats, he would also have won it all.

While Haaland in PSG would have scored less because he would have needed to share finishing responsabilites with Mbappe, and he wouldn't have been the penalty taker.


The Ballon d’or honors the male player who performed best over the previous year. Messi didn't have a better year than Haaland, he had a better month and a half.

No, Messi had a better all around season. He won just as much, but with a WC on top, and he produced numbers just as much as well. He also had more MOTMs across all competitions and a better SOFA score. Any objective stat out there favours Messi over Haaland.


Also, you don't it's a coincidence that a French football magazine award presented in Paris, France had a little something to do with Messi walking away with no. 8??? Then, I don't know what to tell you.

You mean the same French people who lost the WC final to Messi and booed him on the Ballon D'or Gala? :lol


I also don't buy the notion that Haaland plays for a great team and that works against him. Name me an NBA MVP that played for a losing team? Yeah, City were great before he arrived but they didn't win Champions League until he showed up and they became just the second team in EPL history to win the treble. What did Messi's team do outside of the WC? They won Ligue one like they were expected to do and they were eliminated from Champions League like they were expected to do.

I don't know who are you arguing against here, but I never said playing for City went agaisnt Haaland, in fact, quite the opposite: the only reason Haaland ended 2nd is exactly because he played for City, which allowed him to score and win like he wouldn't in any other club.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I can't read that article because I don't have a subscription. I'm confused. Are you saying they almost didn't qualify for the WC? They finished 6 points off Brazil and 15 points better than Peru who lost to Australia in a play off.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(CONMEBOL)

Why are you comparing club and country? I was talking about Norway, not City. Yeah, Messi had a bigger carry job at Argentina than Haaland had at City but so what? Norway has no talent outside of Haaland. Argentina still has Alvarez, Martinez, Dybala and Di Maria and they're aren't going to drop out of the top ten to fifteen if Messi isn't there. Norway is currently 44th with Haaland. The two teams couldn't be any further apart in the rankings. They're complete polar opposites.

Argentina barely qualified in 2018, without Messi they fail to qualify for a WC for the first time in their history:

https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2017/oct/11/lionel-messi-hat-trick-secures-argentinas-passage-to-world-cup

Argentina without Messi:

https://soccernet.ng/2016/09/stats-show-messi-importance-to-argentina.html/amp


Man city without it Haaland:

Man City record without Haaland
All competitions: P7 W6 D1 L0 GF17 GA2

That above is from April 2023. Doesn’t mean Haaland isn’t important or immense, but a far far more balanced side than anything messi had in years.

If Messi ghosts for Argentina they rarely win, not the case for Haaland with city.


Messi had 7 decisive goals for psg including the one that sealed them the title that they didn’t win the season prior and barely won by a single point. So yes, he was decisive and without him they def don’t win that league.

https://www.messivsronaldo.app/detailed-stats/match-winning-goals/



And yes, there is talent on that Argentina squad, but inarguably without Messi they don’t get out of the group stage yet with him they win the world cup.

[FrostKing]

Are you kidding? Ronaldo scored a ton in ucl and many were decisive. All the crazy comebacks Madrid had in second legs were usually thanks to Ronaldo prior to the final. He was often a ghost in the ucl finals but anything before that it absolutely was decisive as he would have 90% of their goals.


Lewy is the complete opposite, he would get his goals while Bayern were on a roll, but if it’s a tight 1-0 or 2-1 in ucl rarely would lewy be found. Kane is already on pace to crush what lewy was doing with Bayern. Lewy and Ronaldo are very different in ucl.
I always preferred CR7 to your Messi so you're preaching to the choir.

Do you remember a time Lewy's team lost to a lesser side? Pretty rare. He always lost to stacked Spanish sides. He won with Coman & Gnabry. Where are they today. Bayern always had the lesser midfield. It was Lewy, Neuer & Muller. Pep ran off. When Bayern won - Thiago & Javi. There was no Neymar or Bale coming to Germany.

Rooting for Kane. But he won't reach it.

[FrostKing]

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[FrostKing]

Petty boy had to take home his 20th ballon. Well Lewy raised Barca out of the gutter he left it

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Petty boy had to take home his 20th ballon. Well Lewy raised Barca out of the gutter he left it

Hahaha no man, lewy has been dog shite this season, and declining rapidly. Bayern have to be laughing their asses off trading lewy for Kane while Barca are stuck with an albatross of a contract now. I want lewy to do well obviously for Barca but he’s washed up now and is a lot like Suarez’s final season in Europe.

As for Barca/bayern it was always mueller who killed Barca, even in the 8-2 Lewa was horrible. But fortunate to have such a stacked team that when he does ghost his teammates can carry him. Lewy has taken Barca to multiple straight europas, a new low for the club.

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/UdsOlacz2tYLPhks5oiiIA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTQyNw--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/the_independent_635/5c7130ea320c08cf14085080143593e8

And Bayern lost to Villarreal which was an epic epic choke job, and to Atletico when they were the favorites.

Barca’s only truly mediocre opponent was Roma, everyone else usually made the final or won it after beating Barca.

[FrostKing]

I agree he's been poor in 2024, in all competitions. You're combining seasons though. He led Barca to their 1st LA Liga since '19 as top scorer. And this season the club is back in UCL KOs. Barca has steadily improved since he put on the kit.

Atletico (Muller missed penalty) and Villareal were his 1st and last UCL at Bayern. Fitting book ends.

I have a Muller kit but come on he's never done anything against Spain. Lewandowski scored at the recent Euros vs Espana for Polska too.

I'm confident he'll score one of those "meaningless" UCL goals yet again like he's done 91 times.

Kane is Top3 Striker today but Munich wears on foreigners. Lewy joined as rival and carried the Captaincy.

[DAF86]

Petty boy had to take home his 20th ballon. Well Lewy raised Barca out of the gutter he left it

The petty one is your boy, tbh. Messi was honest when he said he hoped France Football gave Lewandoski the Ballon D'or for the covid season, yet your boy came out all salty and implied Messi wasn't being honest.

[Hoops Czar]

And you are horribly wrong. We have stated that the Premier League has a more open style of play and teams score more goals. Also, playing along other superstars goes against your individual numbers, just like in the NBA. Messi would have scored more goals if he was the one taking penalties instead of Mbappe or if he didn't have to share free kicks with Neymar. PSG game style was also built for Mbappe being the finisher, while Messi played as a playmaker. All of this played agaisnt Messi getting more goals.

Your eyes deceive you. In 2022/23, the EPL (1084) scored a whopping 17 more goals than Ligue 1 (1067) in 760 games which roughly equates to 1.42 goals per game in the EPL to 1.40 average G/G in Ligue 1, despite your heavy handed claims that the EPL plays a more open style of play. Haaland played alongside two superstars in De Bruyne and Rodri and although he didn't play alongside a superstar striker, he played alongside some very good ones that suppressed his numbers as well. It also works both ways. Mbappe's assist numbers fell from 17 assist in '21/'22 to just 5 in '22/'23. Maybe that cost him his shot at Ballon d'Or.


If Messi played in City, under Pep and alongside Julián Alvarez, who compliments Messi's game like no other player, Lionel would have won another Golden Boot.

So, yeah, your argument has no merit at all.

And now you're playing both ends against the middle. You literally just said Messi's goal scoring numbers were stifled playing alongside two superstars in Neymar and Mbappe. What makes you think Messi, playing on a stacked City team featuring the likes of Haaland and Alvarez amongst others would sniff enough goals to win the golden boot?
Like his time spent at PSG, Messi would be a facilitator, complimenting De Bruyne in midfield.



Yeah, that's why no other player did what Messi did. If it were so easy to stat pad in Ligue 1, one would assume another guy would have done what Messi did.

You'll have to be a little more transparent. What exactly did Messi do? 16 G + 16 A in Ligue 1 was a neat accomplishment but Mbappe had 28 G + 17 A in 2021/22. Benzema walked away with Ballon d'Or that year for those keeping score at home.




You say they are worlds apart in terms of competation yet acknowledge that City dominates PL just as much, if not more, than PSG in Ligue 1. The season prior to Messi joining PSG, PSG didn't win the league, tbh.

They both dominate they're respective leagues. I don't know what makes you think that equates to equal competition. PSG has won Ligue 1 seven times in nine years.




And, like I said, you are laughably wrong. Swap Messi for Haaland in City, Messi would thrive under Pep's system, playing alongside Julian in a more open league. Not only he would get more stats, he would also have won it all.

While Haaland in PSG would have scored less because he would have needed to share finishing responsabilites with Mbappe, and he wouldn't have been the penalty taker.

This is all conjecture based on anecdotal evidence. Who wouldn't thrive in Pep's system. The EPL isn't as open as you're suggesting. See above. This just a typical fanboy response. His scoring would probably increase because he'd be eating all day long off De Bruyne's passes but his assists would go down. City pass the ball by committee, not by individual so I'm not expecting Messi to have to carry the ball up the field and create for himself and his teammates like at Barcelona and PSG. His workload would be much less especially with City's midfield of De Bruyne, Rodri and Gundogan last year.



No, Messi had a better all around season. He won just as much, but with a WC on top, and he produced numbers just as much as well. He also had more MOTMs across all competitions and a better SOFA score. Any objective stat out there favours Messi over Haaland.

He won the WC. That's the only reason he won Ballon d'Or. 61 G+A for Haaland, 40 G+A for Messi across all competitions. I don't even see how those numbers compare, tbh. If he loses the WC, he's not winning.


You mean the same French people who lost the WC final to Messi and booed him on the Ballon D'or Gala? :lol

yeah, but the people who booed him didn't have a vote.




I don't know who are you arguing against here, but I never said playing for City went agaisnt Haaland, in fact, quite the opposite: the only reason Haaland ended 2nd is exactly because he played for City, which allowed him to score and win like he wouldn't in any other club.

Well, not entirely accurate. in '20/'21, Haaland scored 51 G+A playing for Dortmund despite missing 10 matches in Bundesliga. His numbers were pretty comparable across the board with the only difference being he won the treble with City.

[DAF86]

Your eyes deceive you. In 2022/23, the EPL (1084) scored a whopping 17 more goals than Ligue 1 (1067) in 760 games which roughly equates to 1.42 goals per game in the EPL to 1.40 average G/G in Ligue 1, despite your heavy handed claims that the EPL plays a more open style of play. Haaland played alongside two superstars in De Bruyne and Rodri and although he didn't play alongside a superstar striker, he played alongside some very good ones that suppressed his numbers as well. It also works both ways. Mbappe's assist numbers fell from 17 assist in '21/'22 to just 5 in '22/'23. Maybe that cost him his shot at Ballon d'Or.

Comparing Neymar and Mbappe to Rodri and DeBruyne. :lol That's like comparing Kobe and Iverson to Stockton and Jason Kidd. Playing alongside whom, do you think a star would score more?




And now you're playing both ends against the middle. You literally just said Messi's goal scoring numbers were stifled playing alongside two superstars in Neymar and Mbappe. What makes you think Messi, playing on a stacked City team featuring the likes of Haaland and Alvarez amongst others would sniff enough goals to win the golden boot?
Like his time spent at PSG, Messi would be a facilitator, complimenting De Bruyne in midfield.

In my scenario Messi replaces Haaland.



You'll have to be a little more transparent. What exactly did Messi do? 16 G + 16 A in Ligue 1 was a neat accomplishment but Mbappe had 28 G + 17 A in 2021/22. Benzema walked away with Ballon d'Or that year for those keeping score at home.

First player from the French league to have a 20+/20+ season.


They both dominate they're respective leagues. I don't know what makes you think that equates to equal competition. PSG has won Ligue 1 seven times in nine years.

Both dominate their leagues, the difference is that City is the much better team and that proved to be an advantage on CL.


This is all conjecture based on anecdotal evidence. Who wouldn't thrive in Pep's system. The EPL isn't as open as you're suggesting. See above. This just a typical fanboy response. His scoring would probably increase because he'd be eating all day long off De Bruyne's passes but his assists would go down. City pass the ball by committee, not by individual so I'm not expecting Messi to have to carry the ball up the field and create for himself and his teammates like at Barcelona and PSG. His workload would be much less especially with City's midfield of De Bruyne, Rodri and Gundogan last year.

I also agree that his scoring would go up and his assists may decrease a bit, but casuals care about goals. That's why they scream "robbery", despite Messi having an excellent statistical season.


He won the WC. That's the only reason he won Ballon d'Or. 61 G+A for Haaland, 40 G+A for Messi across all competitions. I don't even see how those numbers compare, tbh. If he loses the WC, he's not winning.

If Messi would have won the WC but nothing else, and he wouldn't have put up the numbers, he wouldn't have won the Golden Ball.


yeah, but the people who booed him didn't have a vote.

The people that vote are the coaches, captains and journalists from all the World, not from France only.


Well, not entirely accurate. in '20/'21, Haaland scored 51 G+A playing for Dortmund despite missing 10 matches in Bundesliga. His numbers were pretty comparable across the board with the only difference being he won the treble with City.

Those aren't the stats, I posted the stats a few pages back. You can't pick and choose the stats you want. For the voting of the Golden Ball, the official stats from FIFA are the ones that were taken into consideration.

[FrostKing]

Not sure Messi even wants to win ballon Dor at this point. Awkward reward.

They probably screwed Haaland because he can't raise it until their boy Mbappe does first

I'm European but yah most our shit is so contrived into lingering drama & unfinished business. Only our European Cup is decided fair & square.


I enjoyed this one in Berlin, with my brother in law. Near MauerPark. Multiple vantage points. Absolute British mayhem in the garden. After the Italians scored their first, you knew the young Brits would crumble.


https://youtu.be/nhY1s6CZziE?si=2Ui0p-CUl0BkrXpc

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Not sure Messi even wants to win ballon Dor at this point. Awkward reward.

They probably screwed Haaland because he can't raise it until their boy Mbappe does first

I'm European but yah most our shit is so contrived into lingering drama & unfinished business. Only our European Cup is decided fair & square.


I enjoyed this one in Berlin, with my brother in law. Near MauerPark. Multiple vantage points. Absolute British mayhem in the garden. After the Italians scored their first, you knew the young Brits would crumble.


https://youtu.be/nhY1s6CZziE?si=2Ui0p-CUl0BkrXpc

video unavailable outside of your country

and messi winning WC has discussed to death in this thread is a very worthy reason of giving it over haaland. Even Haaland's teammates say messi deserved it.

[FrostKing]

video unavailable outside of your country

and messi winning WC has discussed to death in this thread is a very worthy reason of giving it over haaland. Even Haaland's teammates say messi deserved it.
Which country you sneaky boy

Video is Italia's comeback over England and heartbreaking ending at the Euros

I'll remember Messi/Argentina World Cup victory as them tapping into villian mode. Reminded me of Deutschland in 2014.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Which country you sneaky boy

Video is Italia's comeback over England and heartbreaking ending at the Euros

I'll remember Messi/Argentina World Cup victory as them tapping into villian mode. Reminded me of Deutschland in 2014.

I hated how Argentina behaved during the Netherlands match

Loved the rest though haha

I’m in Canada my man

[FrostKing]

I hated how Argentina behaved during the Netherlands match

Loved the rest though haha

I’m in Canada my man
Hahah I understand. Would love to visit Montreal :bobo

[DAF86]

I hated how Argentina behaved during the Netherlands match

Loved the rest though haha

I’m in Canada my man

Why? It was only retilation to what the Dutch did.

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And even before the penalties, Weighorst entered the game with the sole purpose of stirring the pot. I love how the entire World wanted to blame the hot blooded third World country for what happened in this game when it was actually the morally superior Euros the ones that cause it all.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Why? It was only retilation to what the Dutch did.

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And even before the penalties, Weighorst entered the game with the sole purpose of stirring the pot. I love how the entire World wanted to blame the hot blooded third World country for what happened in this game when it was actually the morally superior Euros the ones that cause it all.

Dutch behavior during penalties was lame, but earlier kicking the ball into the Netherlands dugout was moronic and they nearly lost their heads. Dutch aren’t innocent but neither are Argentina for th at match. Very bizarre behavior but obviously I’m ecstatic they won the WC. Not a huge deal what went down from both sides in the Dutch match, more of a blip if anything

[lefty]

Netherlands and Argentina have a historic WC rivalry, sparks fly, no biggie

[DAF86]

The image for this thread:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDKb8FSbUAA2F_J?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Hoops Czar]

Comparing Neymar and Mbappe to Rodri and DeBruyne. :lol That's like comparing Kobe and Iverson to Stockton and Jason Kidd. Playing alongside whom, do you think a star would score more?

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. If you're saying that Mbappe is a ball hog, you'd be wrong. Mbappe is a willing passer and he showed that off in '21-'22 when he posted 17 assists. Neymar also had 47 assists in 112 matches in six seasons for PSG. Rodri had 14 assists in 154 games in five years for city. But yeah, Rodri and DeBruyne are midfielders while Mbappe and Neymar are strikers so you'd expect the latter to have less assists in theory but not reality. Do you know who else is a ball hog? Julian Alvarez. When he gets assists, it's usually because his shot is wildly off target and one of his his fellow attackers is there for the scoop and score.



In my scenario Messi replaces Haaland.

He still wouldn't win the golden boot. The EPL isn't a dumper's league like French Ligue 1. It's actually known for it's quality over quantity. If he wanted and still thought he was at the top of his game, he would be running towards the EPL for the right to compete at the highest level rather than stealing Apple's money in a Junior Varsity league, stat padding all the way.



First player from the French league to have a 20+/20+ season.

Neat stat and certainly well deserved. However, he's not the first to have the most Goals and assists combination. Zlatan had 38 goals and 13 assists in 2015-16 for PSG.



Both dominate their leagues, the difference is that City is the much better team and that proved to be an advantage on CL.

To be fair, City have only won one champions league and they were pretty lucky to survive Inter. In 2020, PSG probably beats anyone in the field not named Bayern Munich.



I also agree that his scoring would go up and his assists may decrease a bit, but casuals care about goals. That's why they scream "robbery", despite Messi having an excellent statistical season.

Yet, his statistical numbers still fell well short of Erling Haaland's for 10.5 months of a 12 month campaign. He was gifted a reward because he won his first and only WC.




If Messi would have won the WC but nothing else, and he wouldn't have put up the numbers, he wouldn't have won the Golden Ball.

Sure he would, He's Messi. See below...



The people that vote are the coaches, captains and journalists from all the World, not from France only.

That doesn't make the award any less rigged...

https://firstsportz.com/football-news-ballon-dor-scandal-as-former-player-creates-outrage-claiming-the-awards-were-erroneous/

“What little I can say about this type of award is that in 2013, I voted for my three players for the Ballon d’Or, and I sent my votes, and in the end when it was made public, the list of who voted for who, my votes were different. It said I voted for Messi, Cristiano, and I don’t know who else, but I didn’t vote for any of them. That’s why I say, I don’t believe in absolutely anything about those awards. Since then, I’ve thought these awards have no value”, claimed Owono.


https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/football/lionel-messis-ballon-dor-award-rigged-psg-shocking-reports-details-article-106627278


https://www.football-espana.net/2024/01/06/paris-saint-germain-under-investigation-messi-ballon-dor
(https://www.football-espana.net/2024/01/06/paris-saint-germain-under-investigation-messi-ballon-dor)
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1928877-coaches-claim-ballon-dor-2013-votes-were-rigged



Those aren't the stats, I posted the stats a few pages back. You can't pick and choose the stats you want. For the voting of the Golden Ball, the official stats from FIFA are the ones that were taken into consideration.

Those are his stats from 2020-21.

https://fbref.com/en/players/1f44ac21/all_comps/Erling-Haaland-Stats---All-Competitions

[DAF86]

Dude, just shh. This is what happened:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSdbfSk4lfi-Fe-IJToFRVNA6TaR38FP0HW5w&usqp=CAU

And it was deserved. Stop crying.

[Hoops Czar]

Dude, just shh. This is what happened:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSdbfSk4lfi-Fe-IJToFRVNA6TaR38FP0HW5w&usqp=CAU

And it was deserved. Stop crying.

Yeah, he looks like the cat who ate the canary. He knows what's up.

[DAF86]

Yeah, he looks like the cat who ate the canary. He knows what's up.

What a fucking cry baby. :lol

[Hoops Czar]

What a fucking cry baby. :lol

Congrats on your boy winning another undeserved award. Rumor has it that Messi was so embarrassed that he won the men's FIFA player of the year award, he didn't even bother showing up to receive it. And don't retort about winning some farmer's league title and the first ever League Cup in the U.S. as justification for winning the award. Can you say R.I.G.G.E.D.? I'm betting half the proceeds from winning that award go straight to Apple.

[DAF86]

Congrats on your boy winning another undeserved award. Rumor has it that Messi was so embarrassed that he won the men's FIFA player of the year award, he didn't even bother showing up to receive it. And don't retort about winning some farmer's league title and the first ever League Cup in the U.S. as justification for winning the award. Can you say R.I.G.G.E.D.? I'm betting half the proceeds from winning that award go straight to Apple.

No, this one I 100% agree he didn't deserve. Messi himself doesn't believe he should have won it, that's why he didn't went to the ceremony; but whatcha gonna do when Mbappe and Madrid players are voting for him? :lol

P/S: See? I can be objective. Messi didn't deserve to win this last award (he shouldn't have even finished top 3) and I say it without a problem because I'm not an emotionally obtuse crybaby. The last Golden Ball? he definitely should have won it, and anyone crying robbery is an emotionally obtuse crybaby.

[DAF86]

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And this is just taking numbers into consideration, which we all know, in football, is not even close to telling the whole story.

[lefty]

:lol Messi lost to Al Nassr 6-0

[Brazil]

:lol Messi lost to Al Nassr 6-0

:lol imagine the competitiveness of the MLS
:lol without Ronaldo

[lefty]

:lol imagine the competitiveness of the MLS
:lol without Ronaldo
MLS is good enough for muricans tbh

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/xXQLpW7/Screenshot-20240204-161420-Chrome.png

[lefty]

Messi being a POS as usual

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Ronaldo getting clowned for the douche bag that he is by the fans will never ever get old. Everywhere he goes he gets ridiculed. His fall is stunning and completely self implicated. Guy is a great footballer and an absolute moron.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/YBtr0fN/Screenshot-20240209-131117-Chrome.png

[lefty]

Messi being s POS bending over for Israel and China :lol
Also, carried by Emi Martinez /lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Messi being s POS bending over for Israel and China :lol
Also, carried by Emi Martinez /lol

Eh, without Messi they don't even get out of the group stage. Emi is legit though

Lame of messi to ditch HK though

[ElNono]

Just cashing in while basking in the glory of being a World Champion.... obviously we're not talking about Penaldo here :lmao:lmao:lmao

[lefty]

Just cashing in while basking in the glory of being a World Champion.... obviously we're not talking about Penaldo here :lmao:lmao:lmao
If Ronaldo had a normal coach ... fucking Santos and his antiquated tactics :lol

[diego]

Someone needs to link up the videos of Ronaldo losing his shit because the crowd chants Messi at him, then finish with Messi scoring a goal when the crowd chants Ronaldo at him :lol

[lefty]

Someone needs to link up the videos of Ronaldo losing his shit because the crowd chants Messi at him, then finish with Messi scoring a goal when the crowd chants Ronaldo at him :lol
Whydon't you do it yourself lol
Do you need to be carried like Messi has been his whole career? :lol

[Hoops Czar]

Whydon't you do it yourself lol
Do you need to be carried like Messi has been his whole career? :lol

You misspelled Ronaldo.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

You misspelled Ronaldo.

Ronaldo’s a massive ghost in most CL finals, far more memorable performances from bale, Benzema and modric and Ramos

[lefty]

Ronaldo’s a massive ghost in most CL finals, far more memorable performances from bale, Benzema and modric and Ramos
They were there because of him in the first place

At least he didn't ghost in Juventus, Liverpool and AS fucking Roma's remontadas :lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

They were there because of him in the first place

At least he didn't ghost in Juventus, Liverpool and AS fucking Roma's remontadas :lol

But he did single handedly cost his team the tie against Porto, got united out of an FA cup against middlesborough, still misses sitters in the Saudi league getting them knocked out of tournaments where they could’ve avoided a PK shoot out.

Messi had created every chance in that Liverpool second leg. Without him they don’t even get out of group stage. And Messi WC annihilated any Ronaldo NT performance. Hell, Ronaldo’s best moment was being on the sideline while their true mvp that tourney in Pepe saw them through.

The difference has always been when Messi plays poorly, very rarely does anyone else bail him out. Messi was poor in Copa final and yes di maria was amazing. But Messi unless puts in MOTM performance rarely does he get bailed out as often as Ronaldo does for Madrid in all those finals he didn’t do a damn thing but his teammates were clutch as hell.

Just funny to use carrying when it comes to Messi when Ronaldo had it more than any other superstar when it comes to finals.

[FrostKing]

I've watched Alot of sports in many nations

Messi vs Ronaldo is a damn good rivalry. IMO the best. They changed teams, nations, federations.

Ultimately: both Catholic. We are the best.

[lefty]

I've watched Alot of sports in many nations

Messi vs Ronaldo is a damn good rivalry. IMO the best. They changed teams, nations, federations.

Ultimately: both Catholic. We are the best.

Better than Bob Langdowski?

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/f8z3MnC/Screenshot-20240410-123450-Chrome.png

[DAF86]

Tristiano and his fans thought Madrid was winning Champiions Leagues because of him. He must be raging mad right now. :lol

How CLs would have Messi won with Real? :wow

[DAF86]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPBTZ8XXAAAESIW?format=jpg&name=medium

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/cTR3G6w/FOUR-THREE-1280.jpg

2020


Lewy smashed Messi like he dropped 4 on Ronaldo with Dortmund

[DAF86]

Portugal fans apologizing to Santos now. :lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRwWb5CacAIDcfR?format=jpg&name=medium

[DAF86]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-ii4L-cpHUo/maxresdefault.jpg

He can't even tap in anymore. Portugal lost because of him, tbh.

[DAF86]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jul/05/portugal-v-france-a-galaxy-sized-occasion-sucked-into-the-black-hole-of-one-mans-ego?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[resistanze]

I can't even blame a competitive TOSB for being a TOSB. It's like watching Mike Tyson box at age 57. Sometimes you need to have balls and pull the fucking player out.

[Bynumite]

Midgetfans in this thread deluding themselves into thinking midget is less of a TOSB :lol

If it wasn't for the biggest ref job in international football history, he would be in the same career trajectory as Ronaldo.

He's been awful in the copa america without the Qatari whistle. Embarassed himself by missing a panenka, then as usual got bailed by his teammates :lol

[ElNono]

RMAO fan would know about ref jobs, tbh...

[DAF86]

Midgetfans in this thread deluding themselves into thinking midget is less of a TOSB :lol

If it wasn't for the biggest ref job in international football history, he would be in the same career trajectory as Ronaldo.

He's been awful in the copa america without the Qatari whistle. Embarassed himself by missing a panenka, then as usual got bailed by his teammates :lol

This fucking guy still trying to delude himself. :lol

Imagine trying to sell the idea that, arguably, the greatest individual performance ever at a WC was thanks to the refs. :lmao

Daniele Orsato coming up clutch when Argentina needed him most:

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Matheu Laoz with the greatest assist ever in WC history:

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Marciniak with more Knockout stage goals than Cristiano:

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Orsato making the best defender of the WC look like a fool:

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Marcinak with an extra time goal in the final of the WC:

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[DAF86]

Remember the "Cristiano inspired them from the bench" excuse Sidenaldo fans had to come up with after the 2016 final? It turns out the players on the pitch didn't even notice all the attention seeking Sidenaldo was doing on the sidelines. :lmao

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[Neo.]

lol daf so butthurt in life he argues with himself 95% of the time

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Midgetfans in this thread deluding themselves into thinking midget is less of a TOSB :lol

If it wasn't for the biggest ref job in international football history, he would be in the same career trajectory as Ronaldo.

He's been awful in the copa america without the Qatari whistle. Embarassed himself by missing a panenka, then as usual got bailed by his teammates :lol

NOTHING is more embrassing than Ronaldo in these Euros. Worst conversion in euro history, detriment to the team.

Remove the PK's, and Messi is still the best player at the WC.

Ronaldo has fallen out of the top 5 with his horrific WC knockout record. Hell, only 3 goals in 21 knockout matches in NT for WC+Euro. Thank god for Pepe in 2016.

[Canyonero]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSF-WHcaUAI03Jn?format=jpg&name=medium

Factos

[DAF86]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSF-WHcaUAI03Jn?format=jpg&name=medium

Factos

Julian also already has more knockout stage goals, tbh. :lol

"Big Game Naldo" is probably the biggest lie Sidenaldo fans ever tried to push, tbh.

[DAF86]

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Big Game Naldo :lmao

[Bynumite]

Copa America stat-padding against the Canada's of the world doesn't impress me, and the World Cup, we all know how that was won. Try again, FAP.

[DAF86]

Copa America stat-padding against the Canada's of the world doesn't impress me, and the World Cup, we all know how that was won. Try again, FAP.

I admire and thank your dedication to keep coming for more just for my entertainment son. :toast :lol

[DAF86]

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[DAF86]

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[Bynumite]

* Bubble ring

* Oil money ref ring

* Sidemidget ring

[DAF86]

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The difference between Messi and Ronaldo is an all-time great player. :lol

[FrostKing]

"Bad boys". I can never take that clip of Messi speaking English out of my mind. Tainted.

[DAF86]

Imagine being fan of this piece of shit. :lol

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[DAF86]

What a piece of shit, tbh. :lol

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[DAF86]

Remember when Bynumite said people thought Messi was better just because of "style points", well, It seems like "style" is the only thing that kept this fabricated rivalry going. :lol

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I love the fact that as next gen stats become more and more prevalent in football, more folks realize just how wide the difference between Messi and Ronaldo really was.

[lefty]

AS Roma :lol

[DAF86]

The facts continue to pile on. Bynumite's youtube account revealed at around the 3:10 mark.

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[Canyonero]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GrPKQHPXMAAogxz?format=jpg&name=medium

[lefty]

Who gives a crap, Yamal shits on both of them

[lefty]

Ronaldo :wow

[Bynumite]

Winning Nations League at 40 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WC with oil money bribes and penalties every match

It's OVER.

Debate is settled

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/S7wdxPp2/Screenshot-20250609-030438-Chrome.jpg

[Bynumite]

Apparently he's staying at Al Nassr which I think is the right move. There's no upside to joining an european club at this point in his career. Have to deal with the media circus that comes with it while taking most of the blame if the team underperforms.

Al Nassr is a low pressure environment where he can keep working towards the 1000 goal mark while keeping himself in shape for the WC next year.

[DAF86]

So cute bros. :lol

[Bynumite]

8 goals in 9 games, only 1 penalty on his way to a national team trophy at 40 is a foreign concept for fap :lol

[Bynumite]

Also going through Poland, Croatia, Denmark, Germany and Spain in the Nations League >>>>>>>>>>>> Beating Ecuador, Canada and Colombia in the Flopa America :lol

[lefty]

MLS has been declining lately whereas Saudi league has been growing
IDK why :lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Celebrating mickey mouse cups :lmao

Dude is cooked, can't win a trophy in saudi, his team only wins when he gets injured.

A glorified friendly, can't wait for him to get Portugal to choke in the WC again when he continues to be an absolute ghost in knockout games of WC

[lefty]

Also going through Poland, Croatia, Denmark, Germany and Spain in the Nations League >>>>>>>>>>>> Beating Ecuador, Canada and Colombia in the Flopa America :lol

Watched the Argentina Colombia game, Missi was bailed out by an unknown midget

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Watched the Argentina Colombia game, Missi was bailed out by an unknown midget

Ronaldo gets injured, 0 player of the tournament tourneys on the international stage. His teammates carry him harder than Messi's ever did let's be real.

And guys, a nations cup, even the trolls are better than this :lmao

[lefty]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

https://x.com/touchlinex/status/1932849066255536319

https://x.com/uber_blogger/status/1933175733196890457

[DAF86]

Also going through Poland, Croatia, Denmark, Germany and Spain in the Nations League >>>>>>>>>>>> Beating Ecuador, Canada and Colombia in the Flopa America :lol

Chile, Uruguay, Morocco. Those are some of the last eliminations by Portugal on international competition. :lol

[DAF86]

And I didn't even add that time they got grouped by the likes of Ghana and the US, tbh. :lol

They probably got eliminated more by non-european teams in the whole Cristiano era.

[lefty]

:lmao Pessi going AWOL vs mighty AL AHLY


AT HOME

[Brazil]

First time I watched full games of MLS teams... holy shit they are so bad

[lefty]

First time I watched full games of MLS teams... holy shit they are so bad

I remember when what remained of Drogba played here in Montreal

Bro was bagging hat tricks

[DAF86]

First time I watched full games of MLS teams... holy shit they are so bad

lol UEFA team losing to MLS team

[Brazil]

lol UEFA team losing to MLS team

:lol Porto are you saying that MLS teams are not that bad ? :lol

[DAF86]

:lol Porto are you saying that MLS teams are not that bad ? :lol

If MLS teams are as bad as you say, then Protuguese teams are pretty damn bad too, tbh.

PSG better put 8 past them, as bad as you're talking, tbh. :lol

[Brazil]

If MLS teams are as bad as you say, then Protuguese teams are pretty damn bad too, tbh.

PSG better put 8 past them, as bad as you're talking, tbh. :lol

Portuguese teams are in general yes pretty bad, mid french league bad tbh Porto in particular, this team is awful and yes worst than a lot of MLS teams and I watched Palmeiras Porto... I understand your agenda bro your boy is doing wonders in a highly competitive league :lol

On a side note, I watched Inter Miami / Palmeiras... Palmeiras should be ashamed, it is one thing to take one with Messi still doing Messi things it's another to let 50 y/o fat ass Suarez do the same, at this point Suarez is running the 100 meters in 20 sec. Paris should have a quiet and uneventful game against Miami scoring early and passing the ball the rest of the game if not well :lol

[Brazil]

also and for the record I don't root for PSG so Miami upsetting Paris would be awesome but I'm not delusional.

My brazilian team is Botafogo, I enjoyed each minute of their win against the mighty Paris :lol

[DAF86]

Portuguese teams are in general yes pretty bad, mid french league bad tbh Porto in particular, this team is awful and yes worst than a lot of MLS teams and I watched Palmeiras Porto... I understand your agenda bro your boy is doing wonders in a highly competitive league :lol

On a side note, I watched Inter Miami / Palmeiras... Palmeiras should be ashamed, it is one thing to take one with Messi still doing Messi things it's another to let 50 y/o fat ass Suarez do the same, at this point Suarez is running the 100 meters in 20 sec. Paris should have a quiet and uneventful game against Miami scoring early and passing the ball the rest of the game if not well :lol

If Porto and Befica were mid table French league bad, there would be more French teams in the tournament instead of them. So, nop.

[Bynumite]

Teams from the Americas are only halfway through their shitty domestic leagues, while european teams already wrapped up their respective leagues, domestic cups, european cups and some players even the Nations League.

These men don't wanna be here playing an extra competition they don't care about in the summer heat after grueling european campaigns across several cups. When really they should be off somewhere at the beach sipping cocktails right now.

While 3rd world teams are better rested and going all out trying to prove a point. That's why we've been seeing quite a few surprise results tbh.

[Brazil]

If Porto and Befica were mid table French league bad, there would be more French teams in the tournament instead of them. So, nop.

Was talking about Portuguese teams in general not Porto or benfica in particular even though Porto is awful

[FrostKing]

New evidence in the case


https://i.ibb.co/V0Th0Zqd/IMG-20250626-WA0033.jpg

Meanwhile Messi dribbling from ICE?

[lefty]

Yamal doesn’t rate Messi :lmao

https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1939026197893259444

[Amuseddaysleeper]

8 goals in 9 games, only 1 penalty on his way to a national team trophy at 40 is a foreign concept for fap :lol

And being injured in the final while his team prevails. Ronaldo has always been a luxury player. Zero player of the tourney trophies on the NT stages says it all. Had Messi been injured in the WC finals, Argentina gets smashed.

[DAF86]

New evidence in the case


https://i.ibb.co/V0Th0Zqd/IMG-20250626-WA0033.jpg

Meanwhile Messi dribbling from ICE?

Messi was offered twice this money, but he rejected them. :lol

[lefty]

Trump knows ball hater

My President!

https://x.com/bosnianbh/status/1944521568534868308

[lefty]

Trump knows ball hater

:

My President!

https://x.com/bosnianbh/status/1944521568534868308

:lol Missi just lost 3-0 to CINCINNATI btw

[FrostKing]

I dunno if hes the goat but 2006 Zidane is on my list