KG to be delt

[theMUHMEshow]

If you believe everything you read on the internet, Kevin Garnett should be with the New York Knicks by February.
Internet rumors are full steam ahead with the KG to New York, Detroit or New Jersey takes. Joe Dumars supposedly had another individual in the franchise make the offer of Darko Milicic and Rasheed Wallace to the Wolves for KG so he could claim ignorance if asked about it. Stay tuned, as the rumors are going to get bigger and better surrounding KG

this is from rotoworld.com

[Mr. Peabody]

If you believe everything you read on the internet, you have serious problems.

[emo serb]

darko + traded = me + suicide

[Brutalis]

Knicks are the favorite. They have been recently known to mix things up at any given time. You know they're looking to deal Marbury. Marbury left Timberpup Land for a reason though, but maybe with franchise changes, he would return. But that's rare they would both go at the same time. Knicks have been trying to get 2 stars together for a while. They just want to win some games and get the ball rolling, and haven't been able to do so in forever. A Curry+QRich+future picks seems legit. The Wolves will get the bad end of the deal regardless as they see it.

The Pistons respectively, have zero shot at KG. We won't have a record blockbuster trade again and frankly, they don't offer enough. Ben isn't going anywhere. Rip isn't. Chauncy, Sheed and Dyess will have a new team in the future but I doubt Minnesota. Nothing there seems likely. I mean, Chauncy is a good player. But teams with as much success as Detroit lately, don't trade core players even for some selfish All Star. If the Pistons or Flip have any brain cells, they won't go after KG.

Team with a real shot that the public won't accept would be Charlotte, Milwaukee, and the Lakers.

[mavsfan1000]

darko + traded = me + suicide
haha. How is Darko stats compared to your predictions for this year stats holding up?

[LittleGeneral]

KG won't be traded.

[theMUHMEshow]

Darko is a fuck! I am sick of covering the guy, I am sick of seeing his dumb ass mope up and down the court and I am sick of idiots thinking he is worth a shit. I hope and pray to the basketball gods every single night that he will get traded or just go back to Serbia

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Fuck, does anyone actually have any knowledge of the salary cap when they come with these bullshit trade ideas, or just take a few tokes from the bong and light up?

[EdgeX]

Fuck, does anyone actually have any knowledge of the salary cap when they come with these bullshit trade ideas, or just take a few tokes from the bong and light up?

One source told ESPN.com that the New York Knicks had made Minnesota an offer that included the expiring contracts of Penny Hardaway ($15.7 million) and Antonio Davis ($13.9 million). But for such a trade to work under salary cap rules, the Knicks would also have to take back Sczcerbiak. While that deal would be stunningly lopsided talent-wise, it would relieve the Wolves of $102 million in salary obligations over the next three seasons, allowing them to enter the 2006 offseason with approximately $25 million of cap space.

:lol

[alamo50]

By Michael Ventre
MSNBC.MSN.com

Kevin Garnett is unhappy. He recently questioned the leadership ability of Minnesota Timberwolves vice president Kevin McHale. Rumors are circling that the team will look to trade him.

While they’re only rumors, and neither owner Glen Taylor nor McHale has said anything about trading Garnett, this kind of thing can pick up momentum if the team continues to play mediocre basketball. Eventually, T-Wolves management might start thinking about it.

My advice: Forget it.

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David Sherman / Getty Images file
Kevin Garnett

Didn’t anyone learn anything after the Lakers traded Shaquille O’Neal to the Miami Heat for a bag of potato chips? The Lakers traded away their most important and irreplaceable player, and now they’re a mess. And they figure to stay that way for years.

Despite their recent woes, the T-Wolves have a franchise big man in Garnett. There aren’t many of them around the NBA. When you have one, you keep him and build around him. You don’t trade him for players and draft picks, because you’ll never get value in return.

The T-Wolves mishandled the Latrell Sprewell and Sam Cassell situations last year. No, I don’t think either one was worth the money he was asking for. But based on the two egos involved, the team should have known it was headed for trouble, and should have either negotiated with them in good faith early on, or arranged to replace both players. Instead, it allowed an ugly situation to fester. It resulted in the ouster of head coach Flip Saunders and the disruption of Garnett’s world.

If I were McHale, I would do whatever I could to smoke the peace pipe with Garnett and assure him that he’s dedicated to bringing the Timberwolves back to championship caliber.

But don’t even think about trading Garnett. If McHale is ever tempted, he should look for the name “Lakers” in the Pacific Division standings, just for a reminder.

Link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3296418/)

[TDMVPDPOY]

overrated :D

[theMUHMEshow]

overrated :D

yeah KG is really overated...

Let him go to the Pistons and play with people that actually know what the hell they are doing and then we will see what is up

[Spurminator]

By Michael Ventre
MSNBC.MSN.com

Kevin Garnett is unhappy. He recently questioned the leadership ability of Minnesota Timberwolves vice president Kevin McHale. Rumors are circling that the team will look to trade him.

While they’re only rumors, and neither owner Glen Taylor nor McHale has said anything about trading Garnett, this kind of thing can pick up momentum if the team continues to play mediocre basketball. Eventually, T-Wolves management might start thinking about it.

My advice: Forget it.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/051121/051121_kg_vmed_5p.standard.jpg
David Sherman / Getty Images file
Kevin Garnett

Didn’t anyone learn anything after the Lakers traded Shaquille O’Neal to the Miami Heat for a bag of potato chips? The Lakers traded away their most important and irreplaceable player, and now they’re a mess. And they figure to stay that way for years.

Despite their recent woes, the T-Wolves have a franchise big man in Garnett. There aren’t many of them around the NBA. When you have one, you keep him and build around him. You don’t trade him for players and draft picks, because you’ll never get value in return.

The T-Wolves mishandled the Latrell Sprewell and Sam Cassell situations last year. No, I don’t think either one was worth the money he was asking for. But based on the two egos involved, the team should have known it was headed for trouble, and should have either negotiated with them in good faith early on, or arranged to replace both players. Instead, it allowed an ugly situation to fester. It resulted in the ouster of head coach Flip Saunders and the disruption of Garnett’s world.

If I were McHale, I would do whatever I could to smoke the peace pipe with Garnett and assure him that he’s dedicated to bringing the Timberwolves back to championship caliber.

But don’t even think about trading Garnett. If McHale is ever tempted, he should look for the name “Lakers” in the Pacific Division standings, just for a reminder.

Link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3296418/)


The problem with the comparison between Shaq and Garnett is that the Lakers went from a Western Conference Champion to a Lottery team when they traded Shaq.

The Timberwolves are coming off a Lottery season, and the best they can probably hope for this year is a low Playoff seed. The Lakers had a much longer distance to fall than the Wolves do.

[Bloodline666]

The problem with the comparison between Shaq and Garnett is that the Lakers went from a Western Conference Champion to a Lottery team when they traded Shaq.

The Timberwolves are coming off a Lottery season, and the best they can probably hope for this year is a low Playoff seed. The Lakers had a much longer distance to fall than the Wolves do.
Also, let's not forget that the Timberwolves went from Number 1 Seed in the Western Conference to a lottery team, with KG still on the roster. Makes you wonder what happened to the team all of a sudden.

[Brutalis]

KG is just another player that has good numbers but doesnt know how to win.

[boutons]

washingtonpost.com
Timberwolves Should Free KG

By Michael Lee
Washington Post Staff Writer

Tuesday, November 22, 2005; 3:36 PM

The Minnesota Timberwolves have to start being honest with themselves.

Kevin Garnett isn't going to take them any further than he already has, especially without any semblance of help -- and no, Michael Olowokandi's recent awakening (42 points, 20 rebounds combined in the past three games) doesn't count. So, if the Timberwolves are trying to rebuild, then they should rebuild, thank Garnett for his contributions to the organization and grant him his freedom.

Free KG.

The Timberwolves would be doing Garnett and the league a favor.

Despite eight all-star appearances, all-NBA credentials, the league's 2004 Most Valuable Player trophy and posting more than 15,000 points, 8,000 rebounds, 3,500 assists and 1,300 blocks, Garnett hasn't received the appreciation he deserves for being a truly great player because his teams have foundered so often. "With the exception of Shaquille O'Neal and Tim Duncan, he's the third best player in the NBA in the last 10 years," TNT analyst Charles Barkley said last week.

But unlike O'Neal (who had Kobe Bryant in Los Angeles) and Duncan (who had David Robinson in San Antonio), Garnett has never been teamed with a superstar talent. Who's the best player Garnett has played with? Terrell Brandon? Wally Szczerbiak? Stephon Marbury was around only long enough to leave behind the ghosts of what could've been.

Although Minnesota vice president of basketball operations Kevin McHale and owner Glen Taylor have vehemently denied that they would consider trading Garnett, there might not be a better time to move him. Garnett has been with the same team longer than anyone else in the league (Allen Iverson is right behind with nine years in Philadelphia). He suffered with knee tendinitis almost all of last season and although just 29, Garnett has played a whopping 29,943 minutes and has missed a total of 13 games in his career.

There's no need for his talents to rot on a team with no chance.

This isn't a plea for the Timberwolves trade Garnett for nothing. They shouldn't settle for anything less than a package including at least one all-star talent, draft picks and/or expiring contracts. That's a high price to pay, but you can't trade the franchise for the equivalent of what's left behind in the arena stands after the games (somehow Toronto and New Orleans didn't get the memo last season).

Garnett already is beginning to show signs that he's tired of the grind that comes with being the Lone Wolf. He's too professional to create an ugly situation, but his calculated comments on TNT last week -- right before he almost messed around and got a triple-double on the Washington Wizards -- were the first public expressions of his disappointment about the Timberwolves subpar campaign in which they failed to make the playoffs last season.

He also set the stage for what should be a season-long subplot if Minnesota fails to either trade him or improve quickly by getting him a suitable running mate.

In the interview, Garnett called out McHale for being unwilling to handle the full responsibility of coaching the team following his ouster of Flip Saunders and was critical of upper management's handling of the contract status of both Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell, which was credited with ruining the season. "You got the organization saying it's Sam's fault, it's Spree's fault . . . Flip's fault, Kevin's fault, Kevin Garnett's fault. You know what? It's everybody [expletive] fault," Garnett said. "No one person looked themselves in the mirror."

McHale and Taylor didn't sound too upset with Garnett's assessments but they have to know that their superstar is unhappy with the direction of the team. Garnett didn't exactly go the route Barkley took before he was dealt from Philadelphia to Phoenix and call his general manager a "clown" and a "caddy" for the owner. He isn't the second coming of former New Jersey Nets forward Chris Morris, who once wrote "Trade" on one shoe and "Me" on the other. And, he hasn't officially used the words, "I want out of Minnesota."

But Garnett wants out of Minnesota.

When Garnett looks at his roster and sees Olowokandi, Szczerbiak, Troy Hudson, Trenton Hassell, Mark Madsen and Richie Frahm, he also realizes that simply making the playoffs is the best the Timberwolves can do this season and in the near future. And, to get that far, it would take a gargantuan effort from Garnett every night.

Garnett suffered through first-round flops for seven straight seasons and watched the organization botch contract negotiations with Joe Smith, which set back the franchise for several years. And of course, the financially crippling, six-year, $126 million contract Garnett signed in 1997 kept the Timberwolves strapped for some time. But he recently took a pay cut to help the Timberwolves get better and no matter how much he's getting paid, no one should be expected to do all of the heavy lifting his entire career -- Wilt needed West; Oscar needed Kareem; Jordan needed Pippen.

The Lakers, Pistons and Knicks are among the teams reportedly interested in acquiring the Big Ticket.

Maybe the Wizards should take a shot. Why not present a package including Antawn Jamison, Jarvis Hayes and a first round pick or two as the pawns? Can you imagine Garnett playing alongside Gilbert Arenas with Caron Butler at small forward? Just a thought.

The most intriguing scenario involving Garnett, however, is the possibility of him reuniting with Marbury, either with Garnett going to New York or Marbury returning to Minnesota. Garnett and Marbury were friends until Marbury's ego couldn't allow him to play second banana in Minnesota, and he left Garnett behind in 1999. Marbury later compared Garnett to Mario Elie when praising Amare Stoudemire and avoided Garnett at the All-Star Game in Atlanta, responding to a question about again being on the same team as Garnett with a bristling, "Next question!"

The financial hurdles to moving either player are numerous -- Garnett makes $82 million over the next four seasons; Marbury is owed $73 over the same time period -- but a reunion could display the growth and maturity of both players, who seemed destined to become the next Stockton-Malone before Marbury forced each to do it alone. Marbury's star has faded at his three stops since leaving Minnesota, but perhaps they are better together than apart.

Garnett had his best chance to win an NBA championship in Minnesota two seasons ago -- when Cassell put up a career year and Sprewell, spurned by his trade from New York, played above his head as well. Now Cassell is in Los Angeles, Sprewell is unemployed and the Timberwolves are moving backward.


Top Ten

1. Detroit Pistons (8-1)

The Pistons were due to lose a game this season -- maybe a 37-point shellacking in Dallas wasn't the way they were supposed to go out -- but they are still on pace to win 73 games this season.

2. San Antonio Spurs (9-2)

The Spurs managed to win with Michael Finley out and Manu Ginobili not at full strength. Now Finley is back and Ginobili is getting healthy. Is the rest of the league scared yet?

3. Dallas Mavericks (7-2)

Can Avery Johnson coach or what? He actually has the Mavericks playing defense, as they held opponents to a combined 240 points during their recent three-game win streak. Any man who can get DeSagana Diop to have a 16-rebound, six-block night is a miracle worker.

4. Cleveland Cavaliers (8-2)

LeBron James drops a triple-double on the same night Larry Hughes goes for 37. Whew. They may not be ready for Jordan-Pippen comparisons, but that is, in the words of "Curb Your Enthusiam" star Larry David, "pret-ty, pret-ty good."

5. Los Angeles Clippers (8-2)

Raise your hand if you knew that the Clippers would have the same record as the Spurs after 10 games. Okay then, raise your hand if you knew the best team in Los Angeles wasn't the Lakers. That's better.

6. Memphis Grizzlies (7-4)

The Grizzlies quietly have something brewing with the bearded wonder, Pau Gasol, leading the way. With one more win, they set a franchsie record for wins in November.

7. Indiana Pacers (6-3)

How did they lose in Charlotte by 32 points? No knock on the Bobcats, but that is inexplicable and unforgiveable for a team with championship aspirations.

8. Miami Heat (6-4)

How did they lose to Toronto? Yeah, Dwyane Wade has been doing it pretty much by himself, lately, and the Heat is 5-3 without Shaquille O'Neal. So, that helps you look the other way (a little) on the Canadian collapse -- especially with the Raptors due for a win.

9. Philadelphia 76ers (7-5)

The 76ers rebounded nicely from their two-game skid with the help of who else? You know the Answer. Allen Iverson and Chris Webber are shooting down the critics who don't think they can play together.

10. Denver Nuggets (6-5)

Marcus Camby is the best center in the West right now and is playing the best basketball in his life. Every night, he's looking like he's back playing with the Knicks during their run to the NBA Finals in 1999.
Five Games to Watch This Week

1. Philadelphia at Milwaukee (Wednesday)

They played a thriller in the season opener, a game the 76ers should've won. The Bucks are reeling and need to get back on track.

2. Cleveland at Indiana (Thursday)

The Cavaliers have won three straight on the road. They'll get a measure of how good they really are against the Pacers.

3. Dallas at Miami (Friday)

Too bad Shaquille O'Neal isn't playing. It's never a bad time to hear the Big Yo Mama Joke take potshots at Erick Dampier.

4. New Jersey at Phoenix (Friday)

Jason Kidd vs. Steve Nash. The best over-30 point guards in the league go head-to-head.

5. Washington at Detroit (Friday)

Think the Wizards struggle only against the Heat? Well, the Pistons have won 10 in a row against the Wizards and haven't lost to them in the Palace of Auburn Hills since December 2002.

© 2005 Washingtonpost.Newsweek Interactive

[Bloodline666]

5. Los Angeles Clippers (8-2)

Raise your hand if you knew that the Clippers would have the same record as the Spurs after 10 games.
*raises his hand a bit, then puts it back down*


Okay then, raise your hand if you knew the best team in Los Angeles wasn't the Lakers.
*raises his hand up HIGH, and keeps it there for like, five minutes*

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

They will fire McHale and give someone else a chance at running the team before they will trade KG.

[JamStone]

Knicks and Lakers are the ideal places for KG to go in terms of NBA marketing and high profile exposure. New Jersey and Chicago have been talked about as well. Some basic straight-up trade for Dirk Nowitzki isn't out of the realm of possibility. And, Detroit almost seems too logical with Flip Saunders there and Chauncey Billups being one of his closest friends with pieces like Rasheed Wallace, Darko Milicic, Carlos Delfino, and Amir Johnson to dangle and make an trade offer interesting enough to consider. Indiana has Jermaine O'Neal, David Harrison, Danny Granger, Jamaal Tinsley, and Fred Jones to use in some kind of combination for a trade.

But, I also think there are a couple other places that have a legitimate chance of acquiring KG. McHale would likely try to ship KG to the Eastern Conference, if he does trade him. And, KG sounds like he wants to be traded to a contender if it does happen.

1. Washington Wizards: Wizards could offer Antawn Jamison, Etan Thomas, either Jarvis Hayes or Caron Butler, Andray Blatche and/or a future first round draft pick. Arenas and Garnett would be a pretty good 1-2 scoring punch, and a frontcourt of KG, Jeffries, and Brendan Haywood would be one of the best defensive frontcourts in the league.

2. Boston Celtics: McHale is still a clover at heart. If he's going to trade KG, how about to a team and franchise that he loves? Celtics could offer Paul Pierce, Al Jefferson, Mark Blount, Marcus Banks, and a first round draft pick. If Minnesota includes Trenton Hassell and maybe Troy Hudson, Celtics could easily make a run at the Atlantic Division crown.

3. Orlando Magic: Magic could offer up Grant Hill's contract, Dwight Howard, and possibly a draft pick for KG. I don't know if Orlando would be a title contender though, so KG might be just as frustrated in Florida as he was in Minnesota.

4. Golden State Warriors: I know McHale would rather keep KG out of the conference if a trade occurs, but G.State might give him one of the better offers for KG. They could package Jason Richardson, Troy Murphy or Adonal Foyle, and a draft pick. Because of J-Rich's explosive scoring and youth, Troy Murphy's rebounding, and Adonal Foyle's hustle, it would probably be one of the better trade offers.


In the end, KG probably won't even be traded this year. And, if he were to be traded, it's very likely he'll end up in either LA with the Lakers or with the Knicks. But, I think there will be a lot of teams making pretty attractive offers to the Timberwolves in hopes of acquiring KG. It's interesting to think about the possibilities ...

[baseline bum]

You can't trade KG. There is no way to get comparable talent. Unless Garnett comes out and explicitly asks for a trade McHale should be shot if he even considers it.

[Obstructed_View]

Why would anyone trade for a guy who is overpaid for the first half of his career, pads his stats, never advances in the playoffs, does advance but then runs his team into the ground, gets his coach fired and then publicly blames the GM?

[JamStone]

Because overpaid or not, problems with his coach, GM, and other things, he's still one of the three best players in the league, talent-wise. You can hate on him if you want. You can criticize his playoff woes. You can even say he's overrated. But, he's still one of the best players in the league.

What was David Robinson before Tim Duncan? A superstar, MVP without a ring.

What was Shaquille O'Neal before Kobe Bryant and Phil Jackson? One of the best players in the league without a ring.


Both Michael Jordan and Shaquille O'Neal won their first NBA championship when they were 28 years old. KG is 29 right now. He's just getting into the prime of his career. The majority of teams in the NBA would love KG on their roster.

[TDMVPDPOY]

^ then why arent the spurs in the sweepstakes? i trade our bench for KG

[JamStone]

^ then why arent the spurs in the sweepstakes? i trade our bench for KG


If Minnesota would take only Spurs bench players, I'm sure the Spurs would be in the sweepstakes. But, the reality is Minnesota will likely get a lot better offers from teams giving up some combination of star players still in their prime, expiring contracts, young promising players with cheap or reasonable contracts, and high first round draft picks in return. I don't think the Spurs can offer any of that with just it's bench players.