The Spurs' Second Round Pick -- 2021

[Mr. Body]

The other NBA Draft thread is concentrated on who the first round pick will be. Lots of different directions, each option having an impact on team direction and so on.

The first round pick may also have an impact on the second round. A pick of Alperen Sengun or Kai Jones, for example, would likely mean a wing or guard in the second. A pick of a guard or wing in the first round might mean a big man with the other.

Some quick thoughts:

1. After the lottery, this draft is full of guards that are nearly indistinguishable from each other. Once you drill down closer, you see differences, but how to tell who is going to be actually good? A player like Cameron Thomas is a pure scorer, not much else, and may go higher than expected. Tre Mann, Quentin Grimes, Joshua Primo, Joel Ayayi, Josh Christopher, Miles McBride, BJ Boston, and on and on. Who would the Spurs pick if he dropped to them?

2. There may be some good big men floating around. A while back, Isaiah Jackson was getting a lot of burn, as was JT Thor. Isaiah Todd may have a first round promise. Then there are Filip Petrusev, Neemias Queta, Sandro Mamukelashvili, Jay Huff, and others.

3. This leaves some wings. Guys like Joe Wieskamp, Vrenz Bleighenberg, Isaiah Livers, Kessler Edwards, Herbert Jones.

Who do you think the front office is really looking at? We have some indication by way of who has visited, but that's never the full story.

[mo7888]

The other NBA Draft thread is concentrated on who the first round pick will be. Lots of different directions, each option having an impact on team direction and so on.

The first round pick may also have an impact on the second round. A pick of Alperen Sengun or Kai Jones, for example, would likely mean a wing or guard in the second. A pick of a guard or wing in the first round might mean a big man with the other.

Some quick thoughts:

1. After the lottery, this draft is full of guards that are nearly indistinguishable from each other. Once you drill down closer, you see differences, but how to tell who is going to be actually good? A player like Cameron Thomas is a pure scorer, not much else, and may go higher than expected. Tre Mann, Quentin Grimes, Joshua Primo, Joel Ayayi, Josh Christopher, Miles McBride, BJ Boston, and on and on. Who would the Spurs pick if he dropped to them?

2. There may be some good big men floating around. A while back, Isaiah Jackson was getting a lot of burn, as was JT Thor. Isaiah Todd may have a first round promise. Then there are Filip Petrusev, Neemias Queta, Sandro Mamukelashvili, Jay Huff, and others.

3. This leaves some wings. Guys like Joe Wieskamp, Vrenz Bleighenberg, Isaiah Livers, Kessler Edwards, Herbert Jones.

Who do you think the front office is really looking at? We have some indication by way of who has visited, but that's never the full story.

I think they are looking to see who they have relatively high on their board that drops and is still there. I doubt position or need will figure into it very much.

[Mr. Body]

I think they are looking to see who they have relatively high on their board that drops and is still there. I doubt position or need will figure into it very much.

Position and need always plays into it. BPA is a myth other than very select areas of the draft.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It seems unlikely they're looking to give their 2nd round pick a guaranteed contract like last year, unless someone they really love drops. I believe they're more likely to draft someone who'd agree to play on a 2-way contract rather than someone with a higher upside who's looking for a guaranteed contract - a bit like in the Q draft.

I like Ayayi, Edwards, Queta, Grimes and JRE (the latter two unlikely to be there anymore), although if someone like BJ Boston, Greg Brown or Josh Christopher drops they'd be way more exciting.

[R. DeMurre]

Guys like Daniel Gafford, Paul Reed, & Jarred Vanderbilt are looking like they could be legit pieces in the future. It seems like lately the best 2nd round finds are bigs that don't necessarily fit the traditional big profile, but find a way to have an impact. And since the game is generally (but not completely by any means) moving away from centers, one great strategy for teams can be finding decent bigs who won't demand huge contracts and saving the big bucks for the top flight swing players & combo forwards that are more likely to be first options in today's NBA.

[John B]

At 7' and can hit the 3, I'd be happy with Queta. I doubt he's still available though at 41.

[ginobilized]

Great thread idea, thanks!

I'm pulling for Joe Weiskamp at 41. His combine metrics were eye-popping and he can shoot it.

[Kurik]

I love Weiskamp as well, I think he’s gonna be drafted closer to the end of the first round.

[exstatic]

Grimes. Kessler Edwards. Vrenz Bliejenbergh. Trey Murphy.

[exstatic]

It seems unlikely they're looking to give their 2nd round pick a guaranteed contract like last year, unless someone they really love drops. I believe they're more likely to draft someone who'd agree to play on a 2-way contract rather than someone with a higher upside who's looking for a guaranteed contract - a bit like in the Q draft.

I like Ayayi, Edwards, Queta, Grimes and JRE (the latter two unlikely to be there anymore), although if someone like BJ Boston, Greg Brown or Josh Christopher drops they'd be way more exciting.

I was pissed that we didn’t pick Reed in the 2R last year. TaT had him at #17 on their big board. I watched him in the Gubble, and he looked pretty damn good.

[Russ]

Tre Mann would look pretty good at #41 (but likely won't last that long).

[Cardinal]

I have been hoping for Wieskamp at 41, but especially after the combine it seems unlikely that he'll drop past the early second.

[Degoat]

Jeremiah Robinson Earl would be great in the 2nd, probably won’t make it there tho

[Mr. Body]

At 7' and can hit the 3, I'd be happy with Queta. I doubt he's still available though at 41.

Queta isn't a three-point shooter, but I like him as well. Huge, great shotblocker and pretty good defender who also has passing instincts.

[spurspl]

wieskamp, JRE, queta, edwards, jones. Overall u can find really solid player in the second round.

[Thomas82]

I want Ibou Dianko Badji in the 2nd round.

[pad300]

I want Ibou Dianko Badji in the 2nd round.

He withdrew, and it's not a surprise. He's gonna be a first rounder in the next 2 years.

[Thomas82]

He withdrew, and it's not a surprise. He's gonna be a first rounder in the next 2 years.

Oh ok.....well then, I don't care who we get in the 2nd round.

[R. DeMurre]

I was pissed that we didn’t pick Reed in the 2R last year. TaT had him at #17 on their big board. I watched him in the Gubble, and he looked pretty damn good.

The sample sizes are admittedly small so far, but Reed's outplaying his draft position in metrics like WS/48, where he is 2nd in his draft class, and also 9th in BPM, & 15th in VORP. Pretty impressive for a 58th pick. Daniel Gafford is showing similar results.

[duncan2150]

Wieskamp or queeta

With all the withdrawing the secound is less deeper but it still some good guys.

[objective]

Brown or Sims from Texas sounds good to me. The French kid Begarin might be a decent stash, he's young

[Dejounte]

Shooters translate the best so you try to get shooters this late

Wieskamp
Petrusev
JT Thor (not really a shooter but his current tools are intriguing)
Isaiah Todd (same as above)
JRE
Juhann Begarin
Aaron Henry

really hoping for Petrusev the most

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

A shooter who's taller than 6'3" would be nice. I'd go for that in R2. Who cares what else he's capable of.

[mo7888]

Shooters translate the best so you try to get shooters this late

Wieskamp
Petrusev
JT Thor (not really a shooter but his current tools are intriguing)
Isaiah Todd (same as above)
JRE
Juhann Begarin
Aaron Henry

really hoping for Petrusev the most

If that's the available list at 41 my preference of pick might very well be in the order you listed them actually.

[scott]

Charles Bassey!

[SAGirl]

Position and need always plays into it. BPA is a myth other than very select areas of the draft.
I'd need to look further bc I am barely into the first round atm. I've read a lot comments but not really done my own work of watching film, but I expect them to grab some shooting if they don't draft someone with a proven shot. Also, a project big is likely if they don't draft one in the first round. Many of their recent second rounders have been bigs, Cady Lalane, Metu, Bertans, etc, and they successfully recently developed undrafted Eubanks. Why another big? Bc who expects Lyles back? Is Rudy going to be back? He might be up to ring chasing and it's a good moment for his career to take that turn before he's fully done. What is Samanic really? Is he going to be ready to play? And if he is, Is he a shooting big? Is Dieng going to sign elsewhere? I think wherever he signs he would want to play, with the Spurs can be be assured he won't be set aside to develop projects like the Grizzlies did?

There's too many questions and while a second round pick likely will not solve them, having a project big for the future is still worth it. Unless they draft a big in the first round, they likely grab one in the second. But this one is looking like a draft where they'll get a big in the first, which brings me back to shooting.

Interested to see fans suggestions.

[Gordy58]

Vrenz Bleijenbergh looks intriguing as a point forward and has a decent three point shot. I think he’s like a 6’11 wing.

[The Truth #6]

Grimes
JRE
Wieskamp
Champaigne (either twin, but Julian more)
Thor
Brandon Boston
Deuce McBride
Brown

JRE would be incredible, though.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

WING PLAYERS
Joe Weiskamp (Iowa)
Juhann Begaran (France)
Yves Pons (Tennessee)
Kessler Edwards (Pepperdine)

BIGS
EJ Onu (Div2)
Filip Petrusev (Lithuanian)
Isaiah Todd (G League)

these guys should or have a good chance of being available around our 2nd round pick or undrafted who I would like to see us try and get

Sam Hauser (UVA) most likely undrafted

[jjspur]

1. Weiskamp (my personal favorite but has been rising on a lot of some boards)
2. Grimes ( dude can play defense and shoot, we need that if we say so long to patty mills)
3. BJ Boston (a big guard but we could always use one in the G-League to bring up someday in case one of ours leaves or gets traded)
4. JRE (great motor and rebounding. His stock is rising as well)
5. Brown from Texas ( has defensive potential - a project)
6. Luca Garza (player of the year ..a bit early at 41 but he didnt get that award for nothing. We can make it work.)

One of these guys should be available at 41 and would make a valuable addition to the spurs at a reasonable cost.

[objective]

Grimes
JRE
Wieskamp
Champaigne (either twin, but Julian more)
Thor
Brandon Boston
Deuce McBride
Brown

JRE would be incredible, though.

I think Julian Champagne announced he is returning to school

[R. DeMurre]

Wieskamp is one of those guys that really benefited from participating at the combine, and also showed the shortcomings of the eye test. Every single scouting report I read on him before the combine said the same thing: great shooter, not a great athlete. Then he registered a 42" vertical and the fourth fastest lane agility time of the 55 players participating.

[R. DeMurre]

Grimes
JRE
Wieskamp
Champaigne (either twin, but Julian more)
Thor
Brandon Boston
Deuce McBride
Brown

JRE would be incredible, though.


I think Julian Champagne announced he is returning to school

Julian decided to go back, Justin still in.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/YNtsjQw-8Ko

I don’t see how Filip shouldn’t be the pick if he’s there. Already plays like a pro. I would be more excited about our 2nd rd pick if he was the pick than whoever we select at 12 lol


https://youtu.be/jE-AP8g0Enc

[talkspurs]

Luka Garza. Then we could have the twin luka Towers.

[BackHome]

https://youtu.be/YNtsjQw-8Ko

I don’t see how Filip shouldn’t be the pick if he’s there. Already plays like a pro. I would be more excited about our 2nd rd pick if he was the pick than whoever we select at 12 lol


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His offense is legit and he would definitely help us when we needed to get some baskets he definitely could play with Poodle or take some of his minutes. As far as who I want well it's been Wisekamp since day 1 to me he is very close to Wagner and your getting that in the second round which is why I doubt he will be there for us.

As far as this draft I actually think they will be a higher number of second rounders that make teams and have a impact then in most drafts. We could actually possibly get a starting player or a really good sixth man this is a deep draft.

[Uriel]

I will never forget Jack McClinton. The Spurs took a chance on him in the second round, yet he asked to be waived so he could sign with another team for training camp. He never set foot in the NBA ever since.

[Spur4ever]

Moody in the 1st and Queta in the 2nd would be a great draft in my eyes

[EricB]

Thor, if he’s not available, Herbert Jones.

great smallball 3-4. Can defend very well, great ball handler. Think poor man’s Boris Diaw. Just needs to improve his shot which isn’t broken.

[The Truth #6]

I will never forget Jack McClinton. The Spurs took a chance on him in the second round, yet he asked to be waived so he could sign with another team for training camp. He never set foot in the NBA ever since.

I remember that. RC even did a press conference showing off his jersey. Weird situation.

[Dex]

Maybe we could find a guard with above-average wingspan and no jumpshot....

[Mr. Body]

A guy like Aaron Henry would be interesting. He has deficiencies, but is defense-positive, Izzo is a nice coach, and he's athletic.

[The Truth #6]

Second round probably has to be a shooter unless someone like JRE or Thor or some other dynamic player I can’t think of (lol) drops.

[objective]

I wonder if Raiquan Gray is a possibility. They must have seen a bunch of him when scouting Vassell.

He's been compared to pj Tucker.

[Prime BEEF]

Charles Bassey!
If Grimes and wieskamp aren’t available I’d get Bassey

[BackHome]

WING PLAYERS
Joe Weiskamp (Iowa)
Juhann Begaran (France)
Yves Pons (Tennessee)
Kessler Edwards (Pepperdine)

BIGS
EJ Onu (Div2)
Filip Petrusev (Lithuanian)
Isaiah Todd (G League)

these guys should or have a good chance of being available around our 2nd round pick or undrafted who I would like to see us try and get

Sam Hauser (UVA) most likely undrafted

I like the list my guys I highlighted and I would say that I am a little intrigued with EJ Onu - nice find but need to watch more film but that 7'8 wing span Geez and I would also add:

Vrenz Bleijenbergh




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[R. DeMurre]

Taking chances on a bunch of 2nd round picks is usually not the best option financially, but with all of the cap space the Spurs have available I'd rather see them pay a couple of longshots rather than throw a big contract at someone who will be overpayed. We're not winning a title next year anyway. Grabbing a Wieskamp + a Thor + a Robinson-Earl and storing them in the G league to see if one really excels would be cool with me... Analyzing the draft currently seems to be this FO's greatest strength. Why not give them a few extra shots at it?

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I like the list my guys I highlighted and I would say that I am a little intrigued with EJ Onu - nice find but need to watch more film but that 7'8 wing span Geez and I would also add:

Vrenz Bleijenbergh




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I think Vrenz will be gone early 2nd round and we will not have a shot at getting him. The guys I listed are dudes I think will still be around with our 2nd pick is up.

if Vrenz is there I definitely think the Spurs should grab him though.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Taking chances on a bunch of 2nd round picks is usually not the best option financially, but with all of the cap space the Spurs have available I'd rather see them pay a couple of longshots rather than throw a big contract at someone who will be overpayed. We're not winning a title next year anyway. Grabbing a Wieskamp + a Thor + a Robinson-Earl and storing them in the G league to see if one really excels would be cool with me... Analyzing the draft currently seems to be this FO's greatest strength. Why not give them a few extra shots at it?

Great point!

[CGD]

I’d go either international or older college kid with good pedigree (Jones model).

[Russ]

Juhann Begarin might be the best value at 41 if he's there. 6'5" young (18.9 years old) combo guard from France. (Would guess Parker has weighed in with the FO on this guy.)

My bias is toward upside (at this point in the Spurs path) and this guy has it.

First, he's an absolute dog on defense and that short-circuits potential concerns in several other areas, e.g., motor, attitude, etc.

He's also both creative and efficient in creating his own offense and he can pass too.

Shooting numbers aren't great -- 456% 2-point, 342% 3-point, 613% FT. But he meets the eye test, he adjusts on the fly going to the hoop (hard to teach), has a smooth release on the jumper, and moves athletically but smoothly about the court. Chip can address the rest.

I'm kind of surprised he isn't higher on most mocks. NBADraft.net has him at 43, Tankathon 36, some don't list him at all, almost none have him in in the first round.

In short, this guy looks a lot better than most of the post-Parker French prospects the Spurs have taken over the years that seemed to be reaches even at the time. If they took those guys, why wouldn't they take this guy who doesn't look like a reach at all at 41.

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[Kurik]

So which guard should the Spurs draft 20 picks early in the second round?

[cd98]

Spurs should draft an undrafted player with their 2nd round pick. It's their thing this year. Pick a player a round too early.

[RC_Drunkford]

Brian Wright: Alperen Sengun. Ah wait, wrong order

[dbestpro]

Spurs are going to take Sharpe.

[Russ]

Perhaps they could trade the pick for a future third round pick . . .

[Kurik]

Hoping for JT Thor or Isaiah Todd at this point.

[BackHome]

I am all ready looking at next years mock draft

[rastaspur]

Herb jones if available

[objective]

Hoping for Raquan or Sims or Wieskamp

Preparing for a classy move like drafting a disabled kid or otherwise unable to play person so there can be a nice photo-op

[ace3g]

JT Thor or Joe Wieskamp are my hopeful picks.

[Kurgan]

Not too optimistic. Spurs haven't had a second rounder pan out in forever.

[Mr. Body]

There are some good players still there, guys who could have gone in the late 1st. Kind of intriguing. Some wings and bigs. Butler is a guy to look out for, but I think someone has to take him soon.

[Dverde]

There’s a kid who might fall called Josh Primo. He has some upside if he puts it all together:lol

[ace3g]

ughhh


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Sources: Charlotte No. 37: JT Thor.

[Das Texan]

Cant really be any worse than the first round pick!

[ace3g]

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Kings are targeting Neemias Queta at No. 39, per source.

[Mr. Body]

I liked Queta. Should be fun to watch in Sacto.

So...

[Mr. Body]

Damn, Butler goes to NOP/Utah.

[Mr. Body]

So the Spurs have a small wealth of bigs and wings.

[ace3g]

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Sources: Spurs, No. 41: Joe Wieskamp.

[Mr. Body]

Really would have been intriguing to have landed Butler.

[Kurik]

I’m cool with Wieskamp

[CGD]

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Sources: Spurs, No. 41: Joe Wieskamp.



Good for 41

[Uriel]

His offense is legit and he would definitely help us when we needed to get some baskets he definitely could play with Poodle or take some of his minutes. As far as who I want well it's been Wisekamp since day 1 to me he is very close to Wagner and your getting that in the second round which is why I doubt he will be there for us.

As far as this draft I actually think they will be a higher number of second rounders that make teams and have a impact then in most drafts. We could actually possibly get a starting player or a really good sixth man this is a deep draft.
So we got Wagner in the second round?

[Darius Bieber]

So we got Wagner in the second round?

More like Great Value knock off Wagner