Texas & Oklahoma begging to join SEC

[FrostKing]

How the mighty fall

Good timing with Bobby Bowden terminally ill

"Super League" time?

[playblair]

sec has offered texas an invitation many of times do ur research..........

[FrostKing]

sec has offered texas an invitation many of times do ur research..........
Inviting harmless TexasU opens that recruiting State giant to the Southern schools.

"Conference Titles" are meaningless. Schools in America will showcase different conferences from different sports in their trophy case & history books. What a mess.

College sports is nose diving quick. People clenching to their moneybag. Take off to the other side of the country.

[Michael Jordan.]

Inviting harmless TexasU opens that recruiting State giant to the Southern schools.

"Conference Titles" are meaningless. Schools in America will showcase different conferences from different sports in their trophy case & history books. What a mess.

College sports is nose diving quick. People clenching to their moneybag. Take off to the other side of the country.
Actually, SEC has been recruiting Texas for years. Texas going to the SEC will have ALOT of top rated recruits wanting to stay home and play there.

[rjv]

Actually, SEC has been recruiting Texas for years. Texas going to the SEC will have ALOT of top rated recruits wanting to stay home and play there.

not sure about that; i think there are still going to be a lot of kids that are going to leave the state. saben already planted that seed when he was boasting about how much money their starting QB has already made-and the season hasn't even started yet.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

pathetic tbh ngl

[spurs1990]

I'm pretty pumped since the news broke on Wed. For casual fans it will make watching UT football a lot more appealing. Just think of the weekly matchups we'll get in 2022:

Texas v LSU
Texas v Georgia
Texas v Florida
Texas v Tennessee (who's the real UT)
Texas v Auburn

And bringing back the Arkansas rivalry if Texas is in their same SEC pod.
No more Kansas, Baylor, TCu, and Iowa State game to bore the tears out of us casuals.

Iron sharpens iron. Texas is a sleeping beast and best case the move will lead to the Horns fighting for titles yearly.

[Blake]

I'm pretty pumped since the news broke on Wed. For casual fans it will make watching UT football a lot more appealing. Just think of the weekly matchups we'll get in 2022:

Texas v LSU
Texas v Georgia
Texas v Florida
Texas v Tennessee (who's the real UT)
Texas v Auburn

And bringing back the Arkansas rivalry if Texas is in their same SEC pod.
No more Kansas, Baylor, TCu, and Iowa State game to bore the tears out of us casuals.

Iron sharpens iron. Texas is a sleeping beast and best case the move will lead to the Horns fighting for titles yearly.

Lol "fighting for titles yearly"

I will say I'm looking forward to them matchups now though.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

fuckin piggies

[Robz4000]

:lol Texas going from a big fish in a small pond to a small fish in an Alabama ocean

[playblair]

:lol Texas going from a big fish in a small pond to a small fish in an Alabama ocean
small fish
https://www.surlyhorns.com/board/uploads/monthly_2021_07/Untitled.thumb.png.0bc19f3b2428851ae13a158123eb274 6.png

[Robz4000]

small fish
https://www.surlyhorns.com/board/uploads/monthly_2021_07/Untitled.thumb.png.0bc19f3b2428851ae13a158123eb274 6.png

We all know this move is about football, and Alabama is the undisputed king in the SEC.

[spurs1990]

The 8 power teams in the SEC could play a round-robin and be the most compelling product in college football.

To the Texas fans, what's your ideal divisional setup? Which of the other 7 powers do you want to compete with in your 8 team division?

I know Missouri is currently in the SEC East so geography isn't playing too big of a role.

I'd seed the 8 powers and divide them evenly ala a playoff bracket.

1, 4, 5, and 8 in one division and 2, 3, 7, 8 in the other.

1) Alabama
2) Oklahoma
3) Georgia
4) Texas
5) LSU
6) A&M
7) Florida
8) Auburn

Tennessee, Arkansas, Missouri, and the MS schools are pretty much even in power rating.
South Carolina, UK, and Vandy are the poor homecoming sisters.

[Blake]

Imagine if the PAC invites Houston over TCU and Baylor because it's a public school that taps that market

[spurs1990]

If academics didn't play such a vital role I think UH and Tech would be the Texas duo to add to the Pac 10.

You would get the steady football program at Tech and a their recent Final Four basketball program, and plant a flag in the biggest city.
If they choose to go to 16, Ok State and any combo of Nevada, UNM, K-State.

[Extra Stout]

Few, if any of the Big XII will get life preservers from other P5 conferences. Any additions would look pathetic compared to the SEC landing Texas/OU. Kansas will end up in the Big East probably.
The PAC-12 itself is in grave danger. With its TV deal expiring after 2023, and a low likelihood that a new deal would be competitive with the SEC and B1G, you could see Washington, Oregon, USC, and Utah bolt for the B1G.

If your team isn’t in the SEC or B1G, and isn’t already a national brand and/or revenue powerhouse, then it’s going to be left out of the College Football League that will supersede the FBS.

[Blake]

Few, if any of the Big XII will get life preservers from other P5 conferences. Any additions would look pathetic compared to the SEC landing Texas/OU. Kansas will end up in the Big East probably.
The PAC-12 itself is in grave danger. With its TV deal expiring after 2023, and a low likelihood that a new deal would be competitive with the SEC and B1G, you could see Washington, Oregon, USC, and Utah bolt for the B1G.

If your team isn’t in the SEC or B1G, and isn’t already a national brand and/or revenue powerhouse, then it’s going to be left out of the College Football League that will supersede the FBS.

Lol the big East

This whole post is awful :lol. The PAC is just fine.

[Blake]

If academics didn't play such a vital role I think UH and Tech would be the Texas duo to add to the Pac 10.

You would get the steady football program at Tech and a their recent Final Four basketball program, and plant a flag in the biggest city.
If they choose to go to 16, Ok State and any combo of Nevada, UNM, K-State.

Honestly, if I'm the PAC and I wanted two teams from Texas (besides UT and Aggy of course) then I'd want Tech and Houston.

Maybe TCU but definitely not Baylor. but that's just me. No telling at all at this point what happens.

[Extra Stout]

Honestly, if I'm the PAC and I wanted two teams from Texas (besides UT and Aggy of course) then I'd want Tech and Houston.

Maybe TCU but definitely not Baylor. but that's just me. No telling at all at this point what happens.
It’s hard to accept if you’re a fan of one of the leftovers, but it’s over for them as major college football programs. UT and OU were subsidizing all the other schools. The PAC-12 already has its own parasitic dependencies, like Wazzu, Oregon State, and Cal. They aren’t going to add teams just for the sake of adding teams. The paradigm of ten years ago of expanding geographical reach in order to get the conference network on more cable systems doesn’t apply anymore.

The PAC-12 is not stable. Only a handful of schools generate significant revenue, enough to compete nationally. Stanford is dropping varsity sports left and right. Colorado is flailing. So is UCLA. These are not historically the Little Sisters of the Poor, but they are now. The TV contract that seemed pretty good several years back makes them an also-ran now. They haven’t put a team in the playoff in years, and even with a 12-team playoff, still they’ll likely only get one entrant. Starting games at 7:00 PM Pacific time hamstrings national viewership. Unless they’re all content being the college football equivalent of the 1950’s Pacific Coast League, the big-money schools will leave for greener pastures. Congrats to Utah for elevating its program so quickly in so short a time to have a chance at the new top division.

The cavalry isn’t coming to save you. Tech is fucked. Say hello to the AAC and an 80% drop in TV revenue. I know you’ll stay in denial, because the inevitable reality is bleak and you don’t want to deal with it.

Hell, a big chunk of A&M fans are in denial too, even though Texas/OU is a done deal. Most of the rest are pissed as hell, even though the SEC is setting up A&M in a catbird seat where it gets an easy pod (LSU/Ole Miss/MSU) and a situation where it goes to the playoff every year it can win 10 games, and sometimes when it only wins 9. But they’d rather those they hate (“t.u.”) be kept down, even if they themselves lose out in the process. I guess it’s not surprising — it is the South, after all.

[Extra Stout]

The remaining prizes in College Football realignment are:
Notre Dame
USC
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
Washington
Oregon

The other teams with a good shot of making it based upon revenue capacity are:
Virginia
North Carolina
Louisville
Utah

Everyone else is probably fucked. Yes, that includes formerly big-time programs like Pitt, Virginia Tech, UCLA, Georgia Tech, Colorado, and Stanford. Schools like Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Rutgers, and Indiana just have to hope they get grandfathered in as members of the only two conferences that survive. The new reality is that Alabama’s starting QB makes $1 million a year in NIL money. NFL Junior is already here. The teams that can’t keep up money-wise will all end up as mid-majors.

[Blake]

The PAC doesn't think they're fucked. I don't either.

In fact, they think they're in great shape which is why they don't need Tech or anyone else at the moment.

I wish they were in desperation fucked mode like you're saying because then they might really need to add Texas teams.

Best case for Tech is going to the PAC.
Worst case is AAC.

it sucks but I've made peace with either scenario.

[Extra Stout]

The PAC doesn't think they're fucked. I don't either.

In fact, they think they're in great shape which is why they don't need Tech or anyone else at the moment.

I wish they were in desperation fucked mode like you're saying because then they might really need to add Texas teams.

Best case for Tech is going to the PAC.
Worst case is AAC.

it sucks but I've made peace with either scenario.
The B1G didn’t think it was important enough to get Texas/OU that they would overlook OU’s lack of AAU status. They don’t have vision. They are comfortable in the status quo. The people that run most of college athletics are bureaucrats, not businessmen. They lag behind for the exact same reasons that socialist economies lag behind capitalist ones. For all the credentials of the ruling class, they have no innovation. No drive to create value. They’re content to rule over their little fiefdoms.

Two weeks most of the Big XII, including the commissioner, thought everything was fine, even though the asteroid was close to impact.

[Extra Stout]

Even if the PAC-12 knew it were doomed, how would adding Texas Tech and Houston improve the revenue picture? Is FOX going to increase payouts because the PAC-12 added the seventh- or eighth-most popular teams in the Dallas and Houston markets? Of course not. Those schools are just more mouths to feed.

The only school I could see with any potential to add value to the PAC-12 is BYU. But they won’t do it because of the anti-religious sentiment of the West Coast schools.

[Extra Stout]

Double post

[leemajors]

The PAC doesn't think they're fucked. I don't either.

In fact, they think they're in great shape which is why they don't need Tech or anyone else at the moment.

I wish they were in desperation fucked mode like you're saying because then they might really need to add Texas teams.

Best case for Tech is going to the PAC.
Worst case is AAC.

it sucks but I've made peace with either scenario.

Their TV deal is up in 2023, and who knows what kind of leftover deal they will get after ESPN and FOX throw a ton of money at the SEC/B1G. I'd agree with ES here.

[spurs1990]

The remaining prizes in College Football realignment are:
Notre Dame
USC
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
Washington
Oregon

The other teams with a good shot of making it based upon revenue capacity are:
Virginia
North Carolina
Louisville
Utah

Everyone else is probably fucked. Yes, that includes formerly big-time programs like Pitt, Virginia Tech, UCLA, Georgia Tech, Colorado, and Stanford. Schools like Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Rutgers, and Indiana just have to hope they get grandfathered in as members of the only two conferences that survive. The new reality is that Alabama’s starting QB makes $1 million a year in NIL money. NFL Junior is already here. The teams that can’t keep up money-wise will all end up as mid-majors.

I mean if it's true that not even a Stanford, Colorado, or UCLA is safe in the next college football re-alignment, then what's the point of discussing any other of the 'lower' teams.

I for one am pumped that at here in Texas we will get to see our flagship school play in the super-league, and perhaps even be the best program with all that money that flows through Austin.
I'm from Austin but never liked Texas at any point, stemming from my first exposure to them being that 46-3 drubbing by Miami in 1991, and secondly the league they played in.

I could not get excited as a t-shirt fan about Texas going up against Kansas's and Iowa's and OK St teams.
Now Texas will be playing all the big dogs every week. It's an accomplishment to get any win in both this new 16 team SEC league and its successor super-conference.

We just got to accept it and find our team to root for among the 30-40 chosen teams.

[Extra Stout]

Actually, SEC has been recruiting Texas for years. Texas going to the SEC will have ALOT of top rated recruits wanting to stay home and play there.
On the one hand, Texas and A&M both benefit from all the other Texas schools getting wiped out. As do OU, Arkansas, and Missouri.

On the other hand, any school that wants to compete at the top level has to be able to recruit nationally. Also, the kind of provincial inflation of recruiting rankings that always has plagued Texas high school recruiting since forever ago will do absolutely zero good in this new reality, other than set unrealistic expectations.

[Blake]

Their TV deal is up in 2023, and who knows what kind of leftover deal they will get after ESPN and FOX throw a ton of money at the SEC/B1G. I'd agree with ES here.

If the B1G were to suddenly poach the PAC and take USC and Oregon than yeah, they're fucked but i think the B1G would much rather poach the ACC.

Not a lot of good options currently for the PAC to expand but they're not currently struggling either.

Wouldn't surprise me though if someday we just see two huge SEC/B1G super conferences with 32 teams each in them that completely ditch the NCAA and make their own rules.

[Extra Stout]

If the B1G were to suddenly poach the PAC and take USC and Oregon than yeah, they're fucked but i think the B1G would much rather poach the ACC.

Not a lot of good options currently for the PAC to expand but they're not currently struggling either.

Wouldn't surprise me though if someday we just see two huge SEC/B1G super conferences with 32 teams each in them that completely ditch the NCAA and make their own rules.
Poaching the ACC is more complicated because the TV deal with ESPN lasts until 2036, they have GoR in the bylaws, and they have a hefty exit fee. The ACC also has an alliance with ND whereby if ND chooses to join a conference before 2036, it must be the ACC.

I agree that the ACC long-term is disadvantaged relative to the SEC and B1G, and I doubt it lasts until 2036. The issue with the PAC-12 is that things come to a head much sooner on account of the expiring TV deal. They can spout rhetoric about how consolidation elsewhere makes them more valuable all they want, but they cannot make such rhetoric make any sense. The brands are worth what their schools make them worth. The collapse of the Big 12 doesn’t make the National audience any more interested in Cal versus Oregon State. Publicly, of course they are going to say everything is great. But publicly, Texas and OU were “committed” to the Big 12 all while reaching out to the SEC.

The biggest thing the PAC-12 has going for it is its geographic isolation. If USC, Washington and Oregon decide they’d rather accept a permanent financial disadvantage against SEC/B1G than travel back and forth to the Great Lakes all the time, then maybe the PAC-12 can survive. I doubt they would decide that, though.

[spurs1990]

14-0 vote for the Fighting Texas Longhorns.

Alabama would be a fitting first SEC game for Orange Nation.

[IronMexican]

How dead is this place that tu going to the sec doesn't even get a second page

[Blake]

How dead is this place that tu going to the sec doesn't even get a second page

Mostly all the posts on this are in the recruiting thread

[Blake]

The remnants...

"Report: Big 12, Pac-12 Commissioners to Discuss Potential Merger"

https://www.si.com/college/2021/08/03/big-12-pac-12-commissioners-meet-merger-schedule-alliance


I can totally see USC and Oregon bolting for the big ten if this happens

[pgardn]

14-0 vote for the Fighting Texas Longhorns.

Alabama would be a fitting first SEC game for Orange Nation.

Well we already have Alabama scheduled in 2023 third game anyway made with the Big 12.
Then they come to Austin next year. So... Its not like we were running from them.
We also rescheduled Ohio ST. and Michigan for later so thats looks gone.

[DesignatedT]

Gonna end up with a 30 team super conference when this is all said and done which will practically be a minor league NFL with the rest of the schools playing for their own championship.

[spurs1990]

Well we already have Alabama scheduled in 2023 third game anyway made with the Big 12.
Then they come to Austin next year. So... Its not like we were running from them.
We also rescheduled Ohio ST. and Michigan for later so thats looks gone.

I wasn't intimating anything other than Alabama is the only SEC team whose glitz and glamour matches that of Texas football.
Those two along with Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Southern California, I think, are the nationally known teams among casuals.

But that's interesting the 2023 game may actually turn out to be UT first SEC game if the B12 plays hardball.

[DMX7]

Sounds like it may be Florida State that is now begging to join the SEC.

Look at this though...

During a board of trustees meeting in August, Florida State president Richard McCullough made it clear the school would "very seriously" consider leaving the league if things did not change.

Any ACC school that wants to leave the conference would have to challenge the grant of rights to be able to get out before joining another league. The grant of rights, which runs through 2036, gives the ACC control over media rights for its member schools -- including the broadcast of games in all sports.

In addition, any school that wants to leave the ACC would have to pay an exit fee of three times the league's operating budget, or roughly $120 million.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39150367/florida-state-discussing-future-acc-following-cfp-snub

[pgardn]

Wow there was a lot of wrong in this thread.

Frostking being champ.

But who knows in the coming years.
Still looks fluid.

[Neo.]

This whole post is awful :lol. The PAC is just fine.

this aged well

[FrostKing]

FSU & Clemson are ideal adds. Miami I'd invite but they might prefer the package the BIG10 offers. Big want a foot in the Florida market.

Yah I remember when ACC added Miami/Vtech and looked brighter than SEC. Saban got the ball rolling by defeating the Sooners & Jason White. Those were the split title days. USC played in the Rose Bowl. Then Les Miles took over at LSU.


I remember the ' Game of the Century' Adrian Peterson & the Sooners vs Trojans at the Orange Bowl. SC traveled East very rare and put on a absolute butt kicking.

[pgardn]

FSU & Clemson are ideal adds. Miami I'd invite but they might prefer the package the BIG10 offers. Big want a foot in the Florida market.

Yah I remember when ACC added Miami/Vtech and looked brighter than SEC. Saban got the ball rolling by defeating the Sooners & Jason White. Those were the split title days. USC played in the Rose Bowl. Then Les Miles took over at LSU.


I remember the ' Game of the Century' Adrian Peterson & the Sooners vs Trojans at the Orange Bowl. SC traveled East very rare and put on a absolute butt kicking.

I think the SEC could handle 3 Florida teams. I dont know Miami's financial situation. But the state of Texas as it stand will basically have 3 teams in the SEC. UT, ATM, and Oklahoma.
Problem is those ACC long ass contracts with media rights for Fl. St.

BTW it is the first National signing day. So after work yous guys might want to come home and check out if your team had any surprises.

[Blake]

this aged well

:lol yeah he hit it and I completely whiffed on that one. I honestly never thought USC would leave the PAC. I mean, I'm still trying to figure out how they're in the same conference as Rutgers now.

[Blake]

Wow there was a lot of wrong in this thread.

Frostking being champ.

But who knows in the coming years.
Still looks fluid.

ExtraStout was the thread winner

[playblair]

sec told fsu & clemson no:lmao
FrostKing poverty school has to play in the little12

1737865415341019606


despite Florida State football's storied past and present strength, FSU wouldn’t be a serious candidate for expansion. Same for Clemson even with its recent national titles.The SEC is believed to be a less likely option…The league is set to begin as a 16-team operation next season existing in contiguous states. It is already powerful. It is already rich. It has now taken over large swaths of Texas.
The SEC's goal is to play a level of football that appeals to a national audience. It also already has schools in Florida (the University of Florida) and South Carolina (the University of South Carolina).
‘My sense is there is more opposition than interest,’ one SEC source said.”

[DMX7]

sec told fsu & clemson no:lmao
FrostKing poverty school has to play in the little12

1737865415341019606

The Big XII makes no sense. It's not a power football conference after this year. So FSU is really going to pay an insane exit fee to the ACC only to join a conference with UCF as their new rival?

[playblair]

The Big XII makes no sense. It's not a power football conference after this year. So FSU is really going to pay an insane exit fee to the ACC only to join a conference with UCF as their new rival?
pitt & other acc members would join.......

[pgardn]

Personally I don’t want the Big 12 destroyed.
I hope it holds as a fertile ground for innovation.
A lot of good coaches made a bunch of evolutionary jumps that have their place in the game.
Doing more with less got UT to stop being so lazy and definitely humbled. ATM pretends they are way above this but if you gave them that Big 12 schedule back they would get beat just like they did before they left. UT did not have a cakewalk to the first championship in many years. Going to Aimes Iowa in the cold is just flat out tough. In a very different way than SEC games will be.

Hopefully the SEC chanting is reserved only for special people. No rooting for a conference for me. Respect, not allies. I also would like to keep the Tech game if possible. I know UT does not want anything to do with giving the Big 12 any kind of money, I wish we could make a deal outside of the conferences. OU, ATM, Arky, and Tech every year would be great. We had to take 3 total boredom games the first year and only 8 conf opponents. Do better SEC. Fair and better.

edit: SEC did not give us the powderpuff game in the late season and then gave us OU and Georgia back to back. And they gave ATM some hope by giving them the softest SECschedule possible. Right now, We are their toughest game Imo. And a home game for them. I’m loving this. Bunch of my friends will have nervy Bs Thanksgiving week. This, I crave.

[Blake]

The Big XII makes no sense. It's not a power football conference after this year. So FSU is really going to pay an insane exit fee to the ACC only to join a conference with UCF as their new rival?

I think it the Big 12 wants Fla St and Clemson, they'll have to fork out the exit fee dough and give equal tv revenue immediately.

At best it would be a step sideways because these days it's the big 10, SEC, then everyone else. Hell, those two conferences might break off from the NCAA and agree to form their own league.

Now if the ACC and big 12 were to join together.....

[playblair]

fsu suing acc..........


The Florida State board of trustees voted unanimously Friday to file suit against the ACC to challenge the legality of both the league's grant of rights and $130 million withdrawal fee, a necessary first step to plot its future and potential exit from the conference.

[Blake]

fsu suing acc..........

Aww they don't want to play SMU?

[DMX7]

pitt & other acc members would join.......

Join the BIG XII?? Um... what would that accomplish? How is that better?


I think it the Big 12 wants Fla St and Clemson, they'll have to fork out the exit fee dough and give equal tv revenue immediately.

At best it would be a step sideways because these days it's the big 10, SEC, then everyone else. Hell, those two conferences might break off from the NCAA and agree to form their own league.

Now if the ACC and big 12 were to join together.....

That would be a huge victory for the Big XII and an absolutely insane move for FSU to agree to. But who knows.

I think something like that would at least be an option if Big XII decides to give major financial concessions to FSU. Money is all they seem to really be interested in right now.

[pgardn]

All of this is what makes college football so interesting right now.
There are all these fissures with no idea how they will eventually anneal into some other steady state.
And Its more than just conference realignment.

[DMX7]

I suspect that FSU may consider one option which is to take back their "grant of rights" and then try to pull a Notre Dame, which is to say they stay in the ACC but sell their football rights independently (something like how Notre Dame sells its football rights to NBC, except they would still be an ACC football member). Just one possibility. They aren't going to get into the SEC -- surely they know this.

[pgardn]

I suspect that FSU may consider one option which is to take back their "grant of rights" and then try to pull a Notre Dame, which is to say they stay in the ACC but sell their football rights independently (something like how Notre Dame sells its football rights to NBC, except they would still be an ACC football member). Just one possibility. They aren't going to get into the SEC -- surely they know this.

They don’t have near the National appeal or history of ND.
Im not sure a network would pick the games up.
In fact ND is possibly the only CF team to be able to pull this off.

[Blake]

I suspect that FSU may consider one option which is to take back their "grant of rights" and then try to pull a Notre Dame, which is to say they stay in the ACC but sell their football rights independently (something like how Notre Dame sells its football rights to NBC, except they would still be an ACC football member). Just one possibility. They aren't going to get into the SEC -- surely they know this.

And they don't have the coveted AAU membership that the Big10 brags that their members have (although Nebraska has since been kicked out).

They really don't have much choice but just stay and hope for the best.

Man I hope ACC looks at the big 12 and says "yuk hate it but we need those guys hopefully we can work a deal".

[DMX7]

And they don't have the coveted AAU membership that the Big10 brags that their members have (although Nebraska has since been kicked out).

They really don't have much choice but just stay and hope for the best.

Man I hope ACC looks at the big 12 and says "yuk hate it but we need those guys hopefully we can work a deal".

I thought the ACC set a dangerous precedent when it allowed Notre Dame to join the conference back in 2013 but stay independent in football. Florida State, which clearly thinks very highly of itself, can now point the finger at Notre Dame and say they got special treatment and so should we as a major football school.

[lebomb]

Yeah Texas wanted in the SEC badly. Enough to give up the Longhorn Network.

[pgardn]

Yeah Texas wanted in the SEC badly. Enough to give up the Longhorn Network.

This was clearly a recruiting move. And they will make more $. The games are much more palatable for Networks now.
UT was losing a ton of talent in Texas to SEC teams and Ohio st.
Not any more (for the last 3 cycles) and they are getting kids from SEC states, the west and California (Sarks stomping ground)

[FrostKing]

And they don't have the coveted AAU membership that the Big10 brags that their members have (although Nebraska has since been kicked out).

They really don't have much choice but just stay and hope for the best.

Man I hope ACC looks at the big 12 and says "yuk hate it but we need those guys hopefully we can work a deal".
The main complaint by the ACC big boys (of both sports) is the Conference prefers parity over showcasing their marquee programs. Ultimately same reason the Los Angeles schools left the Pac.

Things could have remained and ACC/PAC made due until the recent expansion.

[Blake]

This was clearly a recruiting move. And they will make more $. The games are much more palatable for Networks now.
UT was losing a ton of talent in Texas to SEC teams and Ohio st.
Not any more (for the last 3 cycles) and they are getting kids from SEC states, the west and California (Sarks stomping ground)

Money move

[FrostKing]

Recruiting - I rather NIL transfers than spend on HS recruits. This also avoids angering upperclassmen if you splurge on a young recruit.

Miami FL is the outlier in recruiting under new rules. Strong classes not showcased on the field.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/wWhQxgT/Screenshot-20231224-083901-Chrome.png

https://i.ibb.co/S0NYYB3/Marvin-Jones-perfect-hit-Miami-2002-1.jpg

[pgardn]

Money move

And a recruiting move. As I stated.
Kids absolutely want to play in the SEC.

No way they get kids like Colin Simmons, Brandon Baker etc… if they are not going to the SEC
The kids said this themselves. Ex. Probably their highest drafted player to be, Kelvin Banks, knew he would be going from the SEC to the NFL (barring injury). Playing left tackle in the SEC against their edges will get him noticed. In his freshman year he gets all American on the back of his performance against Will Anderson of Alabama et al.

Arch Manning absolutely would not be at UT, he would be at Georgia. SEC recruiting effect.

Now they actually have to keep winning. UT is a cool school again. But it won’t last if they get crushed in, never see a playoff game like ATM in the SEC. Come to think of it ATM did not do that much better in the Big 12. Oh well…

[Blake]

And a recruiting move. As I stated.
Kids absolutely want to play in the SEC.

No way they get kids like Colin Simmons, Brandon Baker etc… if they are not going to the SEC
The kids said this themselves. Ex. Probably their highest drafted player to be, Kelvin Banks, knew he would be going from the SEC to the NFL (barring injury). Playing left tackle in the SEC against their edges will get him noticed. In his freshman year he gets all American on the back of his performance against Will Anderson of Alabama et al.

Arch Manning absolutely would not be at UT, he would be at Georgia. SEC recruiting effect.

Now they actually have to keep winning. UT is a cool school again. But it won’t last if they get crushed in, never see a playoff game like ATM in the SEC. Come to think of it ATM did not do that much better in the Big 12. Oh well…

Eh, UT is doing fine in recruiting with or without the SEC.

[Neo.]

Eh, UT is doing fine in recruiting with or without the SEC.

fine, yes

better since SEC agreement? absolutely.

[DMX7]

Arch Manning absolutely would not be at UT, he would be at Georgia. SEC recruiting effect.

Him especially. I just can't imagine him going to Texas unless Sark also had the SEC future to sell to him. It seemed so out of the blue that he even considered Texas given all his roots in the current SEC, but surly the move made a difference.

[playblair]

Him especially. I just can't imagine him going to Texas unless Sark also had the SEC future to sell to him. It seemed so out of the blue that he even considered Texas given all his roots in the current SEC, but surly the move made a difference.
arch mannings unlcle eli wanted to commit to texas mack brown chose simms..........sec or nary arch wouldve committed to texas.........

[DMX7]

If the SEC were to add two more schools and had to choose between these six schools then who should they add? This is just a fun hypothetical… for now.

North Carolina
Duke
Florida State
Miami
Georgia Tech
Clemson

[Neo.]

arch mannings unlcle eli wanted to commit to texas mack brown chose simms..........sec or nary arch wouldve committed to texas.........

the SEC back then hadn't yet turned into the monster its become

[pgardn]

If the SEC were to add two more schools and had to choose between these six schools then who should they add? This is just a fun hypothetical… for now.

North Carolina
Duke
Florida State
Miami
Georgia Tech
Clemson

Clemson and Florida St. And I say this without knowing the viewership coverage which might be more significant with a school like North Carolina.

But South Carolina and Florida respectively, would vehemently protest.
Then just run over those schools like the Aggies got pancaked by UT and OU?

Speaking of Florida they are getting absolutely crushed with all the players committing and transferring elsewhere. And their schedule next year is absolutely brutal.

[playblair]

If the SEC were to add two more schools and had to choose between these six schools then who should they add? This is just a fun hypothetical… for now.

North Carolina
Duke
Florida State
Miami
Georgia Tech
Clemson
the sec covets both unc & virginia........unc va would have priority over all other schools.......

[pgardn]

Eh, UT is doing fine in recruiting with or without the SEC.

Just fine?

Not for Georgia, Alabama, Ohio St. type recruiting which is clearly where UT wants to get to.
The NIL $ and the transfer portal gave UT some avenues to do better than whatever just fine is.
ATM had possibly the best recruiting class ever but without the coach on the field… ATM and College Station!

College football is more cut throat than ever imo. The old image of loving your school and the education has totally burst. The 12th man will come out of the stands and put on the hat if you pay him properly.

[pgardn]

the sec covets both unc & virginia........unc va would have priority over all other schools.......

I can see this … geographical expansion and with that viewership. Virginia would need to change some of its student requirements, they are more rigid. Possibly NC as well. I’m not sure with them.

[Blake]

fine, yes

better since SEC agreement? absolutely.

Since NIL? absolutely.

But Texas was ranked #3 per 24/7 as recently as 2019. You only ever hear a few say "the reason I'm coming here is to play in the SEC."