Coach Popovich Fired over COVID Vaccine Dispute

[spurraider21]

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[John B]

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[mo7888]

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Best troll of the day....I tip my hat..

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

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[DMX7]

:ban::ban::ban:

Damn straight!

[Mr. Body]

Coach Popovich Confirmed to No Longer a Patriot

[Dex]

Imagine giving up a cush 6-to-7 figure job because you don't want to get a couple shots.

[Mr. Body]

Imagine giving up a cush 6-to-7 figure job because you don't want to get a couple shots.

MAGAts.

[Mugen]

:lmao I fucking wish

[Russ]

IBTL.

[rjv]

Imagine giving up a cush 6-to-7 figure job because you don't want to get a couple shots.

well, i guess they can brag about their freedom on some libertarian site during their time off.

[Dirks_Finale]

:bobo

[objective]

Do line coaches make anywhere near 7 figures, especially 'co' coaches?

I was under the impression that the nfl teams were much stingier due to the small number of jobs and competition. It's not like there's other leagues in the world where they can go to get decent employment

[BacktoBasics]

Imagine giving up a cush 6-to-7 figure job because you don't want to get a couple shots.

There is no bigger threat to humanity than these moronic antivaxxers.

They’re basically domestic terrorists.

[RD2191]

:rollin

[illusioNtEk]

As a former Republican, it's mind boggling all the lies the right is spreading... They honestly sold there souls to evilisum.

[FkLA]

They're so stupid. I haven't gotten vaccinated either but if my livelihood depended on it I'd do it no question. :lol

[Uriel]

Knew it would be like this before I even opened the thread. Reminds me of the Bonner to the Toros thread several years back.

[Spurtacular]

OP recently went snowflake on me.
But I ain't bitter; this was good. :tu

[Spurtacular]

On a more serious note, this should open everyone's eyes.

The ruling class wants to take away your livelihood if you don't inject their poison.

A "vaccine" that they won't even vouch for the efficacy (be held liable).

[daslicer]

Imagine giving up a cush 6-to-7 figure job because you don't want to get a couple shots.

Agreed. They are even some NFL players who are willing to end their career simply because they don't to take the vaccine.

[Spurtacular]

Agreed. They are even some NFL players who are willing to end their career simply because they don't to take the vaccine.

Liberty and health are more important than greenbacks. I might have figured you would understand that.

[Spurtacular]

I haven't gotten vaccinated either

Quite the admission, Blue Santa Faggs.

:lol And you spend all day on political with your army of alts sperm shielding for the globalists. :lmao :rollin

[BackHome]

Nicely played :bobo

[Spurtacular]

Nicely played :bobo

I ain't GOAT for nothing. :bobo

[ismael-robert]

Yall love to label the right as anti Vax conspiracy theorists but it's not as political as u think. It's really common sense. Ok so I have a less than 2% chance I die from covid. On other hand we have a vaccine that was rushed out with no long term testing. Has the fda given full approval yet? Do we kno why young people were getting heart inflammation from Pfizer yet? Do we have long term testing? Do we kno that there won't be complications 5,10,15 yrs later worse than covid? Can anyone give me any guarantees? Have we not had drugs with full fda approval get yanked years later?

[ElNono]

Yall love to label the right as anti Vax conspiracy theorists but it's not as political as u think. It's really common sense. Ok so I have a less than 2% chance I die from covid. On other hand we have a vaccine that was rushed out with no long term testing. Has the fda given full approval yet? Do we kno why young people were getting heart inflammation from Pfizer yet? Do we have long term testing? Do we kno that there won't be complications 5,10,15 yrs later worse than covid? Can anyone give me any guarantees? Have we not had drugs with full fda approval get yanked years later?

The concept of viral vector vaccines like the J&J were introduced back in 1972. By 1982 we had successfully engineered a viral vector. The first clinical trials of viral vectors for therapeutics was in 1990. (source (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4494222/))

No vaccine is 100% safe and effective in all cases and all persons, that has never been the case, as it is with pretty much every other drug (and things like effectiveness rate is published and well-known).

COVID won't give you a guarantee that you're not in the 2% that die either, but a vaccine will reduce that 2% to well below 0.01% AND ensure you're not spreading the virus while you're incubating it, which can lead to new mutations.

Would be good to learn a thing or two from history as well. We largely erradicated diseases like Tuberculosis (the BCG vaccine recently turned 100 years old), Polio (first successful vaccine in 1955), etc thanks to mass vaccinations. None of those vaccines are 100% safe and effective either, but they wiped out those diseases, and nowadays, we even rarely vaccinate against them anymore. They have saved millions of lives.

So, yeah, the anti-vaxx shit is largely political or simply a case of ignorance. Neither is an excuse. If there wouldn't be a chance for the virus mutating and rendering vaccines less effective and having to continue to fight this due to stupidity, then I'll say go have a talk with Darwin and I couldn't care less, but unfortunately I do have to care.

[ElNono]

OP with the non-misleading thread title... well done.

[Spurtacular]

The concept of viral vector vaccines like the J&J were introduced back in 1972. By 1982 we had successfully engineered a viral vector. The first clinical trials of viral vectors for therapeutics was in 1990. (source (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4494222/))

No vaccine is 100% safe and effective in all cases and all persons, that has never been the case, as it is with pretty much every other drug (and things like effectiveness rate is published and well-known).

COVID won't give you a guarantee that you're not in the 2% that die either, but a vaccine will reduce that 2% to well below 0.01% AND ensure you're not spreading the virus while you're incubating it, which can lead to new mutations.

Would be good to learn a thing or two from history as well. We largely erradicated diseases like Tuberculosis (the BCG vaccine recently turned 100 years old), Polio (first successful vaccine in 1955), etc thanks to mass vaccinations. None of those vaccines are 100% safe and effective either, but they wiped out those diseases, and nowadays, we even rarely vaccinate against them anymore. They have saved millions of lives.

So, yeah, the anti-vaxx shit is largely political or simply a case of ignorance. Neither is an excuse. If there wouldn't be a chance for the virus mutating and rendering vaccines less effective and having to continue to fight this due to stupidity, then I'll say go have a talk with Darwin and I couldn't care less, but unfortunately I do have to care.

I could dissect this if I wanted. But let's save the trouble and bottom line it. You're a hardcore bull shitter abiding an agenda.

[ElNono]

:lmao of course derp is all over this... probably another post I didn't read where he dodged the topic at hand and went with some combination of personal insult/conspiracy nonsense.

Adults talking here derp, move along. Go do your gab thing... rofl

[ElNono]

FYI, for people tired of derp's junk threads and posts all over this place, here's a thread filter to erase him from Spurstalk...

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=293115&page=19&p=10559679#post10559679

You're welcome, tbh...

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Liberty and health are more important than greenbacks. I might have figured you would understand that.

Your liberty stops when you become a transmission vessel for a deadly pathogen for others that can't get vaccinated yet for whatever reason like kids under 12 or the immuno-compromised. Cases are starting to spike again precisely because of your freedom (or arrogant ignorance). Then again, this may just be Darwinism at play as thousands are dying again and like 96% ate unvaccinated. I only feel sorry for the 4% and say peace the fuck out to the 96%.

I'm so fucking sick of hearing about your fucking freedom. I want to have the freedom to shove my dick down your throat.

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Yall love to label the right as anti Vax conspiracy theorists but it's not as political as u think. It's really common sense. Ok so I have a less than 2% chance I die from covid. On other hand we have a vaccine that was rushed out with no long term testing. Has the fda given full approval yet? Do we kno why young people were getting heart inflammation from Pfizer yet? Do we have long term testing? Do we kno that there won't be complications 5,10,15 yrs later worse than covid? Can anyone give me any guarantees? Have we not had drugs with full fda approval get yanked years later?

Full FDA approval is not only a sure thing, it's imminent. It will be done within a month or so.

[Spurtacular]

Your liberty stops when you become a transmission vessel for a deadly pathogen for others that can't get vaccinated yet for whatever reason like kids under 12 or the immuno-compromised. Cases are starting to spike again precisely because of your freedom (or arrogant ignorance). Then again, this may just be Darwinism at play as thousands are dying again and like 96% ate unvaccinated. I only feel sorry for the 4% and say peace the fuck out to the 96%.

I'm so fucking sick of hearing about your fucking freedom. I want to have the freedom to shove my dick down your throat.

Show me the proof that this so-called deadly pathogen even exists in the general population if at all.

Also, you're arrogant AF. If your poisons were effective against your fake disease, you wouldn't be such a scared faggot.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Imagine giving up a cush 6-to-7 figure job because you don't want to get a couple shots.

It would add to the irony if he now gets a bad case of COVID.

Lots of fools out there. Just get vaccinated…jeez.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

On a more serious note, this should open everyone's eyes.

The ruling class wants to take away your livelihood if you don't inject their poison.

A "vaccine" that they won't even vouch for the efficacy (be held liable).

The U.S. has reopened thanks to the vaccine. The science isn’t that complex and the side effect risk is low. Every drug has potential side effects. Haven’t you read your Viagra label? You can die from the side effects of that drug far easier than from the COVID vaccine, yet you still pop a couple of those blue pills before logging into your favorite anime site.

[baseline bum]

Full FDA approval is not only a sure thing, it's imminent. It will be done within a month or so.

Then it'll be time to move the goalposts again :lol

[Ginobilly]

All this talk that only far right republican maga trumptards are antivaxxers is false. I've met liberals too that think that that graphene oxide shot is poison that's meant to kill you, sterilize you, and what not. This issue goes way beyond political philosophical differences between people. There's people who have died, gotten severe allergic reactions, and yet you can't sue them. How do you know which shots are poison, which are not? Lots of people I know that work in the medical field; nurses, doctors, cna's, haven't gotten it and are refusing to get it.

[baseline bum]

All this talk that only far right republican maga trumptards are antivaxxers is false. I've met liberals too that think that that graphene oxide shot is poison that's meant to kill you, sterilize you, and what not. This issue goes way beyond political philosophical differences between people. There's people who have died, gotten severe allergic reactions, and yet you can't sue them. How do you know which shots are poison, which are not? Lots of people I know that work in the medical field; nurses, doctors, cna's, haven't gotten it and are refusing to get it.

It used to be like that, antivaxxers split between retard left wing anti-GMO conspiritard types and right wing jeebotards, but no denying the COVID truthers and antivaxxers are hugely tilted to the right nowadays.

[Joseph Kony]

Yall love to label the right as anti Vax conspiracy theorists but it's not as political as u think. It's really common sense. Ok so I have a less than 2% chance I die from covid. On other hand we have a vaccine that was rushed out with no long term testing. Has the fda given full approval yet? Do we kno why young people were getting heart inflammation from Pfizer yet? Do we have long term testing? Do we kno that there won't be complications 5,10,15 yrs later worse than covid? Can anyone give me any guarantees? Have we not had drugs with full fda approval get yanked years later?
you're a bible thumping jeebotard, you have no room to lecture anyone on common sense when you believe in shit like talking bushes and a man chilling in a whales stomach for 3 days or whatever, dumbass :lol

[Ginobilly]

It used to be like that, antivaxxers split between retard left wing anti-GMO conspiritard types and right wing jeebotards, but no denying the COVID truthers and antivaxxers are hugely tilted to the right nowadays.


it's impossible to know. At the end of the day, we're all gonna die anyways. vaccine or no vaccine. It's impossible to know each of our personal futures. There's people still getting covid and dying, even with the vaccine! I got covid last year but only affected me like 3 days of not smelling or tasting anything. But that's the symptoms I got. I was still working out and still affect my cardio. I've had worst flu's when I was younger when I had asthma that was cured with herbs and badger fat mixed with honey. My dad on the other band got his lungs destroyed and almost died from it. He's now on oxygen but alive.

[Budkin]

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POOR OPPRESSED MAGA

[blizz]

Lol. “It’s a maga thing”. Lol. Trump is responsible for these vaccines dumbasses. He has also pushed them. I know people that got very ill after these shots and my aunt can no longer walk after getting vaxxed. If it’s the end all be all then get your jab and leave that don’t alone. What are you so afraid of? You’re vaccinated right? The under 12 thing? Come on. Kids are largely unaffected by this virus but those teenagers that got the jab and had heart issues will never be the same.

[Dex]

Lol. “It’s a maga thing”. Lol. Trump is responsible for these vaccines dumbasses. He has also pushed them. I know people that got very ill after these shots and my aunt can no longer walk after getting vaxxed. If it’s the end all be all then get your jab and leave that don’t alone. What are you so afraid of? You’re vaccinated right? The under 12 thing? Come on. Kids are largely unaffected by this virus but those teenagers that got the jab and had heart issues will never be the same.

Austin has gone back to stage 4 and is headed towards stage 5 (with hospitilizations mostly affecting people who haven't been vaccinated).

Trump isn't responsible for shit other than pretending like COVID didn't exist for a year and then sitting on his hands until the Biden administration kicked him out of office. Suddenly vaccinations became WIDELY available after the election...weird.

For people who have kids or who are trying to have kids, yes...that is a problem.

[Mr. Body]

Lol. “It’s a maga thing”. Lol. Trump is responsible for these vaccines dumbasses. He has also pushed them. I know people that got very ill after these shots and my aunt can no longer walk after getting vaxxed. If it’s the end all be all then get your jab and leave that don’t alone. What are you so afraid of? You’re vaccinated right? The under 12 thing? Come on. Kids are largely unaffected by this virus but those teenagers that got the jab and had heart issues will never be the same.

Trump had nothing to do with the vaccines, lol. He said: "Make vaccines!" and thought that's how shit happened. The vaccines were mostly made in Europe, anyway, while he was talking up hydrochlroroquine and shining UV rays directly into your lungs. Meanwhile he was belittling science, goading people into attacking state houses and downplaying the vaccine when we actually had one. Meanwhile he had Jared Kushner stealing PPE from the states and reselling them at personal profit and was fighting with governors to prevent them from being able to implement public measures. He's a fucking idiot, you're a fucking idiot, and spreading further idiocy about kids not being affected. You're a deeply stupid individual and emblematic of why this country is fucking looney tunes. Just shut the fuck up until we can try to control this shit.

What an embarrassment.

[Mr. Body]

Yall love to label the right as anti Vax conspiracy theorists but it's not as political as u think. It's really common sense. Ok so I have a less than 2% chance I die from covid. On other hand we have a vaccine that was rushed out with no long term testing. Has the fda given full approval yet? Do we kno why young people were getting heart inflammation from Pfizer yet? Do we have long term testing? Do we kno that there won't be complications 5,10,15 yrs later worse than covid? Can anyone give me any guarantees? Have we not had drugs with full fda approval get yanked years later?

Billions have taken the vaccines. We already know plenty about what happens when you take them: they prevent you from getting Covid in large measure.

I mean, if you don't want to take it, then fine, roll the fucking dice. But don't be a goddamn moron about this shit you're saying. It's stupid, you know it's stupid, and you're just coming up with absolute diarrhea-grade bullshit to cover for yourself. Just own up to it and say you don't give a shit about your own health or the health of people around you. Just be honest.

[ismael-robert]

Let's not forget the j&j vaccine getting yanked. I would hardly compare these to vaccines that have decades of testing behind them.
Like I'm getting upset by a guy naming himself after a terrorist. Do some research n if it's actually honest research it'll make ur head spin, then ur life

[blizz]

Get your straw man bullshit outta here. Sanctimonious bitch.

[blizz]

Trump had nothing to do with the vaccines, lol. He said: "Make vaccines!" and thought that's how shit happened. The vaccines were mostly made in Europe, anyway, while he was talking up hydrochlroroquine and shining UV rays directly into your lungs. Meanwhile he was belittling science, goading people into attacking state houses and downplaying the vaccine when we actually had one. Meanwhile he had Jared Kushner stealing PPE from the states and reselling them at personal profit and was fighting with governors to prevent them from being able to implement public measures. He's a fucking idiot, you're a fucking idiot, and spreading further idiocy about kids not being affected. You're a deeply stupid individual and emblematic of why this country is fucking looney tunes. Just shut the fuck up until we can try to control this shit.

What an embarrassment.
Yes you are an embarrassment. Why do you care what anyone else does if you’re vaccinated? Answer me that one question without going all apeshit calling me names.

[blizz]

Austin has gone back to stage 4 and is headed towards stage 5 (with hospitilizations mostly affecting people who haven't been vaccinated).

Trump isn't responsible for shit other than pretending like COVID didn't exist for a year and then sitting on his hands until the Biden administration kicked him out of office. Suddenly vaccinations became WIDELY available after the election...weird.

For people who have kids or who are trying to have kids, yes...that is a problem.
Wrong

[Mr. Body]

Yes you are an embarrassment. Why do you care what anyone else does if you’re vaccinated? Answer me that one question without going all apeshit calling me names.

Goddamn, boy.

Because if people aren't vaccinated then the virus mutates, you fucking idiot. That's why we're facing the Delta variant right now, which is starting to rip through the unvaccinated areas of the country. It might get worse, too -- we don't know much about it and it could affect kids. You know, I could give a shit about your fucked-up, pathetic existence, but I do care about my family. By not getting vaccinated you're having an impact on me.

[Mr. Body]

Let's not forget the j&j vaccine getting yanked. I would hardly compare these to vaccines that have decades of testing behind them.
Like I'm getting upset by a guy naming himself after a terrorist. Do some research n if it's actually honest research it'll make ur head spin, then ur life

LOL, that's exactly what you've asked for -- they paused it because they're seeing side effects. Goddamn what do you fucking want? Just go die if you want to. Just be consistent with your views.

[ismael-robert]

Missed the point. Yall are upset with anti vaxers but with crap like j&j getting pulled it's dishonest to ridicule them for being scared rather than having political motives

[ElNono]

Let's not forget the j&j vaccine getting yanked. I would hardly compare these to vaccines that have decades of testing behind them.
Like I'm getting upset by a guy naming himself after a terrorist. Do some research n if it's actually honest research it'll make ur head spin, then ur life

The J&J vaccine got yanked and then reinstated by the same exact government entity. You can't have it both ways. And it was absolutely the right thing to do, which should give you more, not less confidence that side-effects are being tracked, and there's no hesitation to put things on hold if there's a non-measured risk.

As far as the bolded, what vaccines that might be? Tuberculosis vaccine was first medically used in 1921, and was mass deployed by 1925. Polio vaccine developed in 1952, mass vaccination campaign in the US in 1955. Both of those had incidents of contaminated vaccines at some point which reduced vaccination rates and public confidence, which eventually dissipated, but we don't even have that here (the only case of contaminated vaccines was caught by QA before the vaccines left the lab, which, again, should give you more not less confidence there isn't people sleep at the wheel).

[ElNono]

I don't think it's just MAGAtards or entirely political, there's a quite a bit of ignorance as well... that last group always existed in some shape or form, and always has been a minority (in a lot of ways because Darwin made sure they stayed a minority). The politicization of COVID, however, has made successful vaccination much more complicated though, that's undeniable. Simply a problem we don't need and we can't afford right now.

[OldMan88]

Reported Deaths post COVID Vaccine: Total 11,405
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality (https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality)

[daboom1]

Lol. “It’s a maga thing”. Lol. Trump is responsible for these vaccines dumbasses. He has also pushed them. I know people that got very ill after these shots and my aunt can no longer walk after getting vaxxed. If it’s the end all be all then get your jab and leave that don’t alone. What are you so afraid of? You’re vaccinated right? The under 12 thing? Come on. Kids are largely unaffected by this virus but those teenagers that got the jab and had heart issues will never be the same.

gotheem

[Spurtacular]

Billions have taken the vaccines. We already know plenty about what happens when you take them: they prevent you from getting Covid in large measure.

I mean, if you don't want to take it, then fine, roll the fucking dice. But don't be a goddamn moron about this shit you're saying. It's stupid, you know it's stupid, and you're just coming up with absolute diarrhea-grade bullshit to cover for yourself. Just own up to it and say you don't give a shit about your own health or the health of people around you. Just be honest.

What we know is that the governments and media has lied, time and time again. That's your starting point.

[ElNono]

Reported Deaths post COVID Vaccine: Total 11,405
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality (https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality)

That's not the VAERS site, this is:

https://vaers.hhs.gov/

But even if that's indeed the number, that's a death rate of 0.007% over all fully vaccinated people in the US (164M at this time). Or a 0.003% death rate over all persons in the US that received at least a dose.

Compare to COVID's 2% mortality rate. Vaccines work. Get your ass vaccinated.

[BackHome]

The concept of viral vector vaccines like the J&J were introduced back in 1972. By 1982 we had successfully engineered a viral vector. The first clinical trials of viral vectors for therapeutics was in 1990. (source (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4494222/))

No vaccine is 100% safe and effective in all cases and all persons, that has never been the case, as it is with pretty much every other drug (and things like effectiveness rate is published and well-known).

COVID won't give you a guarantee that you're not in the 2% that die either, but a vaccine will reduce that 2% to well below 0.01% AND ensure you're not spreading the virus while you're incubating it, which can lead to new mutations.

Would be good to learn a thing or two from history as well. We largely erradicated diseases like Tuberculosis (the BCG vaccine recently turned 100 years old), Polio (first successful vaccine in 1955), etc thanks to mass vaccinations. None of those vaccines are 100% safe and effective either, but they wiped out those diseases, and nowadays, we even rarely vaccinate against them anymore. They have saved millions of lives.

So, yeah, the anti-vaxx shit is largely political or simply a case of ignorance. Neither is an excuse. If there wouldn't be a chance for the virus mutating and rendering vaccines less effective and having to continue to fight this due to stupidity, then I'll say go have a talk with Darwin and I couldn't care less, but unfortunately I do have to care.

It is not Political the majority of people not getting the shot are the younger people I have a more then a few cousins that are not getting the shot cause the death rate for that group is so small. Also people still getting the Delta variant and the death rate for young kids is still less then 1% even with Delta

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Lol. “It’s a maga thing”. Lol. Trump is responsible for these vaccines dumbasses. He has also pushed them. I know people that got very ill after these shots and my aunt can no longer walk after getting vaxxed. If it’s the end all be all then get your jab and leave that don’t alone. What are you so afraid of? You’re vaccinated right? The under 12 thing? Come on. Kids are largely unaffected by this virus but those teenagers that got the jab and had heart issues will never be the same.

And...here's that anecdote guy that always pops in with absolute buffoonery. Yes, anecdotally, each one of the things you mentioned happens. But where the rubber hits the road, **statistically**, if you aren't vaccinated you're far likelier to get sick, be hospitalized, and die.

You hate to see it...Darwinism is a bitch.

[ismael-robert]

3-4 years better than months...but today those vaccines now have decades behind them n we take them without flinching

[ElNono]

It is not Political the majority of people not getting the shot are the younger people I have a more then a few cousins that are not getting the shot cause the death rate for that group is so small. Also people still getting the Delta variant and the death rate for young kids is still less then 1% even with Delta

Even if the death rate is small, they're carriers of the virus, which is extremely problematic for two reasons: 1) they can spread it to immunocompromised or high risk unvaccinated adults/young people (some that might not be able to take the vaccine due to those conditions), and 2) gives the virus the possibility of mutating, which renders current vaccines less effective and opens the door for taking steps back and extending the pandemic and ruining it for everyone (see Delta). I would totally be on board with skipping vaccination on young people if those two things were not a factor.

[ElNono]

3-4 years better than months...but today those vaccines now have decades behind them n we take them without flinching

It simply exemplifies that what you're demanding is completely unreasonable. You requested, I quote, "5,10,15 yrs" and "guarantees". It's all nonsense, almost no prior vaccine meets that criteria.
Some of this stuff has been on research for the past 30+ years, it wasn't invented last November. Technology has been refined enough to actually make them viable now.
Even with emergency authorizations, all of these vaccines had to go through 3-stage human trials.

And frankly, the next mass-produced vaccine that kills more people than the disease itself will be the first.

[Spurtacular]

The concept of viral vector vaccines like the J&J were introduced back in 1972. By 1982 we had successfully engineered a viral vector. The first clinical trials of viral vectors for therapeutics was in 1990. (source (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4494222/))

No vaccine is 100% safe and effective in all cases and all persons, that has never been the case, as it is with pretty much every other drug (and things like effectiveness rate is published and well-known).

COVID won't give you a guarantee that you're not in the 2% that die either, but a vaccine will reduce that 2% to well below 0.01% AND ensure you're not spreading the virus while you're incubating it, which can lead to new mutations.

Would be good to learn a thing or two from history as well. We largely erradicated diseases like Tuberculosis (the BCG vaccine recently turned 100 years old), Polio (first successful vaccine in 1955), etc thanks to mass vaccinations. None of those vaccines are 100% safe and effective either, but they wiped out those diseases, and nowadays, we even rarely vaccinate against them anymore. They have saved millions of lives.

So, yeah, the anti-vaxx shit is largely political or simply a case of ignorance. Neither is an excuse. If there wouldn't be a chance for the virus mutating and rendering vaccines less effective and having to continue to fight this due to stupidity, then I'll say go have a talk with Darwin and I couldn't care less, but unfortunately I do have to care.

Word salad.

[ElNono]

Then it'll be time to move the goalposts again :lol

Next up is checking for the Bill Gates chip and pieces of bamboo in the ingredients. :lol

[Spurtacular]

Next up is checking for the Bill Gates chip and pieces of bamboo in the ingredients. :lol

That's only the 500th time you've told that joke.

[OldMan88]

That's not the VAERS site, this is:

https://vaers.hhs.gov/

But even if that's indeed the number, that's a death rate of 0.007% over all fully vaccinated people in the US (164M at this time). Or a 0.003% death rate over all persons in the US that received at least a dose.

Compare to COVID's 2% mortality rate. Vaccines work. Get your ass vaccinated.

1. The site I provided is based on the information pulled from the VAERS site, which buries the information and makes it difficult fir the general public to access… typical for government websites.
2. Your 2% fatality rate is overstated since there is no way to determine the huge number of people who have contracted very mild cases and were never tested. In fact, I think I had a very, very mild case back in January, but I can’t get tested because I’m not currently sick.
3. Finally, I have elected to be vaccinated (albeit very reluctantly and only after much research) but that’s only because of my age and a couple of co-morbidities. There no good reason for young, fit & healthy young people to take the vaccine unless they’re living with older parents or grandparents that cannot take the vaccine for some reason.

PS - The current vaccines have a much higher level of serious and potentially deadly side effects than typically previously approved (FDA) vaccines. That’s why they’re still under emergency use approval. If the manufacturers had more time, it’s highly likely they would have been able to eliminate or minimize the adverse reactions.

[ElNono]

1. The site I provided is based on the information pulled from the VAERS site, which buries the information and makes it difficult fir the general public to access… typical for government websites.

The problem is that cherry-picking information to drive a narrative is pretty easy. The official VAERS site is actually not very difficult to navigate, and would've been more serious for a site like that to also publish how the death rate of COVID vaccine compare to other vaccines incidents, for example (something I've done, and it's patently clear why it's not done in that site). It's also important to understand the quality of VAERS data, which they make clear when you download it:

Key considerations and limitations of VAERS data:
- Vaccine providers are encouraged to report any clinically significant health problem following vaccination to VAERS, whether or not they believe the vaccine was the cause.
- Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information.
- The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.


2. Your 2% fatality rate is overstated since there is no way to determine the huge number of people who have contracted very mild cases and were never tested. In fact, I think I had a very, very mild case back in January, but I can’t get tested because I’m not currently sick.

This implies that coroners, doctors, universities that track fatalities, etc, around the world coordinated to misrepresent fatality rates, which is insanity. And the 2% is likely understated, since we know in a lot of countries (ie: Italy, Spain, India) COVID caused the collapse of health systems, which in turn caused more deaths indirectly due to COVID. Obviously those people didn't have COVID and were not counted as such, but all things being equal, without the pandemic they're likely to get care and not die.


3. Finally, I have elected to be vaccinated (albeit very reluctantly and only after much research) but that’s only because of my age and a couple of co-morbidities. There no good reason for young, fit & healthy young people to take the vaccine unless they’re living with older parents or grandparents that cannot take the vaccine for some reason.

Good for you that you got vaccinated. The rest was already discussed, and you're overlooking mutations, which are affecting us right now.


PS - The current vaccines have a much higher level of serious and potentially deadly side effects than typically previously approved (FDA) vaccines. That’s why they’re still under emergency use approval. If the manufacturers had more time, it’s highly likely they would have been able to eliminate or minimize the adverse reactions.

Source for the bolded? I looked at the VAERS data for this ~3 months ago, and it didn't back this up.

I don't dispute that longer time could've provided more rigorous testing and that would've been preferable to emergency use. However, we had an emergency in our hands, and when you have thousands of people dying per day, time is a luxury you might not have. Also, the notion they could've been able to eliminate or minimize adverse effects is pure speculation. These vaccines are extremely safe and in line with other vaccines. ie: the Polio vaccine is much riskier as a very small amount of people can actually get Polio from the vaccine. After 60 years, that's still the case. The hope is actually new tech like mRNA can improve those vaccines.

[Spurtacular]

No need to listen to psychotic Blue Santa Faggs and his alts about how you're killing grandma.
It's all BS. And furthermore, you're subjecting yourself to possibly destroying your health and livelihood.

https://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh1Vv96sJqxVD7uJ6r

[Spurtacular]

1. The site I provided is based on the information pulled from the VAERS site, which buries the information and makes it difficult fir the general public to access… typical for government websites.
2. Your 2% fatality rate is overstated since there is no way to determine the huge number of people who have contracted very mild cases and were never tested. In fact, I think I had a very, very mild case back in January, but I can’t get tested because I’m not currently sick.
3. Finally, I have elected to be vaccinated (albeit very reluctantly and only after much research) but that’s only because of my age and a couple of co-morbidities. There no good reason for young, fit & healthy young people to take the vaccine unless they’re living with older parents or grandparents that cannot take the vaccine for some reason.

PS - The current vaccines have a much higher level of serious and potentially deadly side effects than typically previously approved (FDA) vaccines. That’s why they’re still under emergency use approval. If the manufacturers had more time, it’s highly likely they would have been able to eliminate or minimize the adverse reactions.

Well, CDC pretty much came out and admitted the COVID death statistics were tack ons to the real reasons in something like 96 percent of cases. The ones they're saying is solo is just fraud for the money they're getting paid. Health care providers getting paid $33K for every COVID death; of course, admins are going to make up numbers.

[ElNono]

Did derp get to the part where 9/11 was an inside job, and how the Nazis were the good guys yet? :lmao

[blizz]

And...here's that anecdote guy that always pops in with absolute buffoonery. Yes, anecdotally, each one of the things you mentioned happens. But where the rubber hits the road, **statistically**, if you aren't vaccinated you're far likelier to get sick, be hospitalized, and die.

You hate to see it...Darwinism is a bitch.
I already had it. Something like 20-30 members of my family and extended family did. Some old and with risk factors and all of them got over it.

[Spurtacular]

ElCopo DeNieve casting aspersions. Sad.