Spurs' former All-Star DeMar DeRozan willing to take a pay cut to join Lakers, per report

[ducks]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/spurs-former-all-star-demar-derozan-willing-to-take-a-pay-cut-to-join-lakers-per-report/

[paperboy77]

Sign and trade would work for everyone. Even if we don’t get the very best players.

[Degoat]

Spurs fans going to be really salty when he signs for their MLE lol

[slick'81]

Yea, if he takes a paycut spurs def arent getting shit in a sign&trade. Lakers getting derozan and duarte in the offseason:wow

[Robz4000]

:lol Lakers

[ElNono]

Next Bryn Forbes?

[daslicer]

Spurs fans going to be really salty when he signs for their MLE lol

I won't I want him gone. I will be salty if the Spurs resign him.

[lmbebo]

Proof is in the pudding.. Will see if he actually takes it or not....

[tbdog]

What's a paycut? He isn't signing the mle. Does he sign the 20 to 26 Mil per year and lakers trade kuzma and kcp?

Do the spurs go hard for sexton then, walker 12 and future 1st?

Or a 3 way deal with alt where spurs get Collins and they get kuzma and kcp?

[baseline bum]

Sign and trade would work for everyone. Even if we don’t get the very best players.

What would you want from them besides picks? I wouldn't want to be throwing money at Schroder when Murray is better and I wouldn't put Harrell above Poetl in the rotation. Don't think Harrell would be excited to sign here to play off the bench.

[baseline bum]

What's a paycut? He isn't signing the mle. Does he sign the 20 to 26 Mil per year and lakers trade kuzma and kcp?

Do the spurs go hard for sexton then, walker 12 and future 1st?

Or a 3 way deal with alt where spurs get Collins and they get kuzma and kcp?

:vomit: Kuzma fuck no

[timtonymanu]

Good. He hasn't raised this team's ceiling other than making sure they're a treadmill team in all the years he's been here. Time to move on.

[tbdog]

:vomit: Kuzma fuck no

The pickings is low. Essentially he just replace Gay?

[objective]

Of course he'll take a massive paycut if none of the capspace teams sign him. And that might as well be LA.

If the Knicks or Chicago or Dallas or Miami are out, are I trust Charlotte would be out, then the mle or less is what he'll get.

[DeRozan m8]

Good, go choke over there

[Fusternino]

You guys would really turn down Kuzma, Harrell, and a pick just to spite the Lakers? Really?

[Robz4000]

You guys would really turn down Kuzma, Harrell, and a pick just to spite the Lakers? Really?

Harrell would either have to opt in (unlikely) or the Spurs would have to sign him to a large multi-year contract, and I wouldn't touch Kuzma with a ten foot pole. I'd take the pick, however.

[illusioNtEk]

Willing to take a paycut with the Lakers but not with the Spurs huh?

[cd98]

Pay cut doesn’t mean mid level.

[4lifecowboy]

Pay cut doesn’t mean mid level.

Yeah it does because that is all the Lakers could offer if he out and out signs as a free agent.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Pay cut doesn’t mean mid level.

Exactly. He will take a number that allows them to stay under the hard cap. Something like 18million.

[exstatic]

Spurs fans going to be really salty when he signs for their MLE lol

Nope. Him leaving would be a positive, and open up minutes for our young cadre. I’ve said all along that I don’t care about getting a return. It would likely be taking out the Lakers salary trash, in this case, and that cuts into our cap room.

[exstatic]

You guys would really turn down Kuzma, Harrell, and a pick just to spite the Lakers? Really?
Considering they tampered with Kawhi, pre Toronto trade, destroying his trade value, fuck yeah. We have NO reason to surrender cap-room to obtain shitty, middling players.

There are other picks supposedly on the market that won’t involve taking out the Lakers trash. Duarte probably won’t even be there at 22, anyway.

[K...]

maybe derozan is signaling he will take the spurs two year deal and this is his last desperate move to get a third year, the " if you don't sign me i'll cut myself" move.

[R. DeMurre]

LeBron is 36 and will turn 37 in December. As great as he has been, the Lakers have to be sweating right about now. They don't have a couple years to develop a rookie, and their future draft situation is pretty awful too. I'm guessing at this point, the Spurs let DeRozan walk for nothing rather than take on players/contracts they're not interested in. If the Lakers' pick was 12 spots higher I could see it... but #22 just isn't too alluring.

[exstatic]

LeBron is 36 and will turn 37 in December. As great as he has been, the Lakers have to be sweating right about now. They don't have a couple years to develop a rookie, and their future draft situation is pretty awful too. I'm guessing at this point, the Spurs let DeRozan walk for nothing rather than take on players/contracts they're not interested in. If the Lakers' pick was 12 spots higher I could see it... but #22 just isn't too alluring.

This. Fuck the Lakers.

[Strategic]

The way lebron picked on demar when he was still at Toronto I’m surprised they could sleep together. Guess it’s all water under the bridge.

[CGD]

Spurs fans going to be really salty when he signs for their MLE lol

Yeah… only thing we have going is that he want to play with Lowery too. So unless Lowery is also willing to play for peanuts, one of those two will need a sign and trade.

I’m sure some nerds on the Raptors forums are also cooking up their our Kuzma, THT, 22 for Lowery ideas, lol.

[CGD]

Willing to take a paycut with the Lakers but not with the Spurs huh?

I also love the framing of “pay cut.” Are we sure there is a deal out there that gives DDR a big pay day? Lol

Oh the little lies we tell ourselves to make it through the days, haha.

[talkspurs]

Do you thing we could get the 2026 and 2028 pick unprotected from LA. They should have fallen off by then. I think after the draft 2028 would be considered in 7 years. We could still Kuama and harrell or whoever you want to throw in. DDR is nowhere near davis level but LA gave up 3 1st rd picks one of which was #4 and 2 good young players. thats 3 good players with 2 more possible. for DDR couldnt we get 2 possible good players. I would not care to much of who comes back from LA in the trade.

[K...]

Man i see the odds of the league bailing out the lakers to be realistic, no draft pieces, no players of note after AD. That means no mega trades or draft fixing. they are going to have to do some special jubilee to avoid the sight of the league vanity team giving high draft pieces to the pelicans for years straight.

[daslicer]

The way lebron picked on demar when he was still at Toronto I’m surprised they could sleep together. Guess it’s all water under the bridge.

Demar probably suffers from Stockholm Syndrome.

[james evans]

Spurs fans going to be really salty when he signs for their MLE lol
why? I say just let his choking azz walk. We won't miss him.

[Dverde]

At this point Spurs should do what’s best for them despite it being the Lakers.

[ducks]

Taking crap is bad back
I would do him for Davis

[Degoat]

why? I say just let his choking azz walk. We won't miss him.

Getting Kuzma and there pick should be a priority imo losing him for nothing is waste and a gift to LAL call me crazy but I think you could have a debate about who’s better between Kuzma and John Collins for those wanting Collins

[Robz4000]

Getting Kuzma and there pick should be a priority imo losing him for nothing is waste and a gift to LAL call me crazy but I think you could have a debate about who’s better between Kuzma and John Collins for those wanting Collins

I'm not high on Collins at all but:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[mo7888]

Getting Kuzma and there pick should be a priority imo losing him for nothing is waste and a gift to LAL call me crazy but I think you could have a debate about who’s better between Kuzma and John Collins for those wanting Collins

That wouldn't be much of a debate..

[exstatic]

At this point Spurs should do what’s best for them despite it being the Lakers.

Fuck that noise. Spurs are under NO obligation to do shit for the Lakers or DeRozan.

[baseline bum]

Fuck that noise. Spurs are under NO obligation to do shit for the Lakers or DeRozan.

I'd trade with the Lakers but not for fucking Kuzma. It would be like getting Rodman baggage around Vinny Del Negro talent.

[TD 21]

At this point Spurs should do what’s best for them despite it being the Lakers.

Exactly . . . and people can stop pretending a 32 (this off season) year old, career net negative, with zero 3 and D, added to an already 3-point shooting deficient roster, would be "helping them".

I'd argue it'd more than likely slam the door shut on them winning another championship in the James era.

They can also stop pretending the Spurs are going to do markedly better than Kuzma (Markkanen, a defensive liability, for more money, is the likely alternative) and possibly a pick.

[Robz4000]

Exactly . . . and people can stop pretending a 32 (this off season) year old, career net negative, with zero 3 and D, added to an already 3-point shooting deficient roster, would be "helping them".

I'd argue it'd more than likely slam the door shut on them winning another championship in the James era.

They can also stop pretending the Spurs are going to do markedly better than Kuzma (Markkanen, a defensive liability, for more money, is the likely alternative) and possible a pick.

Agree on most points, but I still want nothing to do with Kuzma (nor Marika enough for that matter).

[TD 21]

Agree on most points, but I still want nothing to do with Kuzma (nor Marika enough for that matter).

I'm not a fan either, but the options are limited and the theoretical fit is undeniable so long as his delusions of grandeur can be reigned in . . . and if they can't, it's not like his contract is an albatross.

[Robz4000]

I'm not a fan either, but the options are limited and the theoretical fit is undeniable so long as his delusions of grandeur can be reigned in . . . and if they can't, it's not like his contract is an albatross.

I wouldn't even risk it. Reroute him to the Kings and let him statpad for his next contract there.

[baseline bum]

I'm not a fan either, but the options are limited and the theoretical fit is undeniable so long as his delusions of grandeur can be reigned in . . . and if they can't, it's not like his contract is an albatross.

A shitty player who thinks he's a star isn't going to be a fit for any team.

[slick'81]

A shitty player who thinks he's a star isn't going to be a fit for any team.

yup, demar derozan proved that here

[TD 21]

I wouldn't even risk it. Reroute him to the Kings and let him statpad for his next contract there.

For Hield or maybe Bagley III? Because it's not going to be Barnes, if that's what you're thinking.



A shitty player who thinks he's a star isn't going to be a fit for any team.

Yet half of this fan base thinks Murray is destined for stardom.

Kuzma is clearly an inefficient mediocrity, but he's a modern four all the same and at least has the confidence (if not game) to be a go-to option.

[Robz4000]

For Hield or maybe Bagley III? Because it's not going to be Barnes, if that's what you're thinking.




Yet half of this fan base thinks Murray is destined for stardom.

Kuzma is clearly an inefficient mediocrity, but he's a modern four all the same and at least has the confidence (if not game) to be a go-to option.

Honestly, they can just do it for a conditional second as long as the Kings take on KCP or whoever the Lakers jettison to make the money work. If the Spurs get a late first for DePression at this point I'll take it.

[ElNono]

At least he's from LA, IIRC...

[TD 21]

Honestly, they can just do it for a conditional second as long as the Kings take on KCP or whoever the Lakers jettison to make the money work. If the Spurs get a late first for DePression at this point I'll take it.

The Kings have cap issues themselves and would like to re-sign Holmes.

[GreekSpursfan]

Bring Kuz, whatever, we're gonna tank anyway, hopefully, pls. He's the perfect tank commander on and of the court

[Robz4000]

The Kings have cap issues themselves and would like to re-sign Holmes.

I'd have to look at their roster then. If they wanna give the Spurs a pick to take on one of their shit contracts I'd do it.

Lakers: DePression
Kings: Kuzma
Spurs: KCP, bad Kings contract, two 1sts

I'd do that.

[Dennis the Menace]

So for Kawhi, arguably a Top 25 All Time Talent….. we effectively get Jakob Poetl and Keldon Johnson in return long term.

I love me some Keldon but my goodness the front office should be fired, dunked in cold water, and made to eat Arby’s for a year straight as punishment for complete ineptitude and failure.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Nephew deserves blame too for purposely tanking his own trade value...

[tbdog]

So for Kawhi, arguably a Top 25 All Time Talent….. we effectively get Jakob Poetl and Keldon Johnson in return long term.

I love me some Keldon but my goodness the front office should be fired, dunked in cold water, and made to eat Arby’s for a year straight as punishment for complete ineptitude and failure.

I mean, if Toronto don't win that title, it's a failure for them. And the clippers George trade appears a failure for them now.

[TD 21]

I mean, if Toronto don't win that title, it's a failure for them. And the clippers George trade appears a failure for them now.

Wrong. The Spurs allowed them to disguise salary dumping DeRozan and put them a Durant or Curry injury (and they were due) away from a title . . . all for the cost of precisely zero pieces that would sting long term.


I'd have to look at their roster then. If they wanna give the Spurs a pick to take on one of their shit contracts I'd do it.

Lakers: DePression
Kings: Kuzma
Spurs: KCP, bad Kings contract, two 1sts

I'd do that.

I suspect it'd have to be Hield as the "bad Kings contract", but even then I'm skeptical they'd attach 9 just to move him. Spurs could attempt to balance it with Walker IV, but Hield isn't Spurs material, wouldn't be easy to reroute and they're too cheap, gun shy and shortsighted to pull of something like this. Just the thought of that much movement would probably make them queasy.

[Dennis the Menace]

Nephew deserves blame too for purposely tanking his own trade value...

You’re missing the point. Yeah they screwed up with the initial return in the best they could get was Derozan. But don’t screw up the next redemption moment by getting peanuts for Derozan.

They botched Kawhi
They botched Aldridge
They botching Derozan

Get some Top 10 picks out of that. This is mindblowingly bad

[Dennis the Menace]

You have Kawhi and Aldridge… and looking to get some value for losing them? You should be getting 3 Top 10 picks combined at the absolute bare minimum for handling those 2 players

[tbdog]

I suspect it'd have to be Hield as the "bad Kings contract", but even then I'm skeptical they'd attach 9 just to move him. Spurs could attempt to balance it with Walker IV, but Hield isn't Spurs material, wouldn't be easy to reroute and they're too cheap, gun shy and shortsighted to pull of something like this. Just the thought of that much movement would probably make them queasy.

Targeting sexton should be spurs priority. He fits with Murray and Johnson.

[Twisted_Dawg]

So for Kawhi, arguably a Top 25 All Time Talent….. we effectively get Jakob Poetl and Keldon Johnson in return long term.

I love me some Keldon but my goodness the front office should be fired, dunked in cold water, and made to eat Arby’s for a year straight as punishment for complete ineptitude and failure.

You're forgetting we also threw in Danny Green too.

[pad300]

Getting Kuzma and there pick should be a priority imo losing him for nothing is waste and a gift to LAL call me crazy but I think you could have a debate about who’s better between Kuzma and John Collins for those wanting Collins

Ok, you're crazy...

[Down Under]

Deng, Kuzma (negative contract), a first & two seconds. Does that work? DD gets more money. Lakers get off Kuzma & Deng's salary.

[duncan2k5]

Spurs fans going to be really salty when he signs for their MLE lol
Why? I don't give a shit if he signs there for three dollars per year and wins a championship...I just want home gone

[baseline bum]

Deng, Kuzma (negative contract), a first & two seconds. Does that work? DD gets more money. Lakers get off Kuzma & Deng's salary.

Fuck that shit. Four pieces of trash and a pick? No thanks.

[pad300]

Deng, Kuzma (negative contract), a first & two seconds. Does that work? DD gets more money. Lakers get off Kuzma & Deng's salary.


Fuck that shit. Four pieces of trash and a pick? No thanks.

That's wouldn't be bad actually. Only one roster spot (Kuz), a first and a couple of seconds, and Deng's roster charge expires after next year. And we could further try and move Kuzma if we don't want him.

But I don't think it works, because I don't believe you can trade a stretched contract (Deng)...

[baseline bum]

That's wouldn't be bad actually. Only one roster spot (Kuz), a first and a couple of seconds, and Deng's roster charge expires after next year. And we could further try and move Kuzma if we don't want him.

But I don't think it works, because I don't believe you can trade a stretched contract (Deng)...

Meh Spurs could probably get a first cheaper somewhere else than having to take two garbage players.

[tbdog]

Deng was waived to offer Leonard a max two offseasons ago.

[CGD]

Meh Spurs could probably get a first cheaper somewhere else than having to take two garbage players.

If DDR is willing to take that pay cut as rumored, Kuz and Gasol is probably about 15M which feels right for ST purposes. Gasol is only 2M next year, his last, who can be bought out later in the year.

So effectively 22/Kuz for DDR. I do that.

[TheCerebral1]

Good, get the literal fuck out. I've been waiting almost three years, to watch your worthless ass leave. Now go!

[TheCerebral1]

Bring Kuz, whatever, we're gonna tank anyway, hopefully, pls. He's the perfect tank commander on and of the court

I'd rather let Derozan leave for free. Kuzma is a terrible basketball player. We've had enough over hyped trash on this team.

[tbdog]

Why is kuzma a terrible player?

[Chillen]

DeMar was never capable of being the main guy on the team but with Lakers he would likely be a much better fit with an aging LeBron alongside Anthony Davis. It doesn't put Lakers over the top but it makes them a little better and it likely won't be the only move they make. Spurs are fools if they just let the player they traded Kawhi for walk. As for Kuzma, draft pick. Trade Kuzma for a draft pick or keep him.

[Robz4000]

DeMar was never capable of being the main guy on the team but with Lakers he would likely be a much better fit with an aging LeBron alongside Anthony Davis. It doesn't put Lakers over the top but it makes them a little better and it likely won't be the only move they make. Spurs are fools if they just let the player they traded Kawhi for walk. As for Kuzma, draft pick. Trade Kuzma for a draft pick or keep him.


He'd be a terrible fit. He can't play off the ball and is a nonexistent three-point shooter, not to mention he's one of the worst defenders in the league. All the more reason to want the Lakers to acquire him.

[KingKev]

Deng, Kuzma (negative contract), a first & two seconds. Does that work? DD gets more money. Lakers get off Kuzma & Deng's salary.

Deng? WTF. This trade couldn’t even be made in 2k lol

[KingKev]

If DDR is willing to take that pay cut as rumored, Kuz and Gasol is probably about 15M which feels right for ST purposes. Gasol is only 2M next year, his last, who can be bought out later in the year.

So effectively 22/Kuz for DDR. I do that.

This actually is my opinion of DDRs value; a sad reality, but why dance with the devil and for so little in return?

[RC_Drunkford]

that's great, cause it's most likely a sign and trade. Makes the Spurs better and the Lakers worse. Win/win.

[Uriel]

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Wow. GTFO.

[cd98]

1419653144221339653
Wow. GTFO.

He's near the end of his prime. He should have a goal of winning a title and it's easy to see that the Spurs are no where near winning a title. In fact, without him, they are unlikely to make the playoffs and would likely end up as one of the worst teams in the NBA.

[PrimeMinister]

Even Demar is tired of trying to be the centerpiece of mediocre teams. Good for him.

dude is a super sub on a good team that can bench him as soon as his lapses start to flare up.

Spurs will be markedly improved in his absence and everyone will say “who could have seen this coming”

[Mr. Body]

He'd be a terrible fit. He can't play off the ball and is a nonexistent three-point shooter, not to mention he's one of the worst defenders in the league. All the more reason to want the Lakers to acquire him.

You know that's not true, right? That you're just spewing bullshit?

[Dejounte]

Looking forward to the Spurs being better without him.

[MoSpur02]

DeMar is a great scorer and has proven to be clutch at times, but he doesn’t fit here. Great guy seems like, but his whining to the refs would piss me off and seemed to always come at the wrong time. He helped keep the Spurs competitive somewhat, but he doesn’t have what it takes to be the “man” on a team. Not in my opinion.

Spurs should be calling teams and his agent to see how they can work a S&T deal.

[EasyMoney]

Good luck to wherever you go next, Demar.

[cjw]

Exactly. He will take a number that allows them to stay under the hard cap. Something like 18million.

They also will need the midlevel to sign other player(s) to fill out the roster. So imagine it would be a S&T.

Alternative would be signing Demar with MLE if he even takes it (and then being hard capped) and trading Kuzma/KCP/etc. for others to fill out roster.

[Dex]

Listening to the podcast, it sounds like he already has one foot out the door. Talked about Pop and the Spurs very much in the past tense...it was great teaching and learning from the young guys, I enjoyed playing for Pop, etc.

[LeBowen]

Should've never been traded here in the first place.

Career loser and he'll prove it again wherever he goes.

Spurs get better even if it's not a S&T.

[Uriel]

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[John B]

1419653144221339653
Wow. GTFO.

I'm just hoping that he'll work with the Spurs to get a good haul on a S&T for him. I mean there's no bad blood with the organization, so I feel he will be cooperative to help the Spurs.

[ginobilized]

I'm torn as to whether a S&T or letting him walk is the best move for the Spurs.
The cap space might be more valuable than Kuzma and whatever else is added. Also, would the Spurs even consider working with the Lakers? I doubt it.
3-way trade w/Atlanta makes more sense for Spurs. Not sure the Hawks want that.

[Leetonidas]

Great news :tu

[Mr. Body]

1419653144221339653
Wow. GTFO.

How is this BREAKING? lol

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

If Demar wants more than the MLE the Spurs are going to need to agree to an S&T. My guess is they won't accept Kuzma and whatever other garbage the Lakers dangle in front of them, so it's going to probably have to involve a third team somehow.

Not sure how the Lakers are thinking they'll swing Lowry and DeRozan, but maybe that's the third team that could make it all work. Toronto owes us a solid for that championship so maybe they'd have something we want.

[KingKev]

Looking forward to this breaking news being posted on the front page of Spurs talk in 4 days. This is great news for all. He wants to sign with a contender and there are few if any contenders with adequate cap space to sign him (maybe Miami) so if he wants more than the MLE he will need to work with us and it appears both sides are on great terms and motivated to get a deal done. Our organization has no liability if it’s not the right deal so hopefully they can show the last few years were bad luck versus terrible management. This new GM gets a chance to prove his worth while Pop hopefully loses your country the gold and puts the nail in the coffin in an otherwise polished career.

[John B]

I'm really hoping it's the Warriors than the Lakers as our S&T partner. I want the #14 pick, as Duarte could be gone at #22.

Unless the Spurs could send the Lakers haul to a 3rd party for a better pick.

[Degoat]

This could mean the spurs go with a guard in the draft imo who’s the spurs creators White & DJ? That definitely won’t be good enough lol

[baseline bum]

Why is kuzma a terrible player?

He's statistically pretty well below average, he's 26 so he's as good as he'll ever be, and he thinks he's a star in the making. What is so enticing about someone who sucks now, has zero upside, and is Trump level delusional?

[baseline bum]

Looking forward to the Spurs being better without him.

They're not going to be better without him, which is fine because might as well tank when your ceiling is playing .500 ball.

[itzsoweezee]

Wow, Spurs are going to end up getting 0 for both Aldridge and Derozan. Absolutely pathetic

At least Detrash will finally be off of the team, no thanks to the shitty front office

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

They're not going to be better without him, which is fine because might as well tank when your ceiling is playing .500 ball.

This.

My guess is that the Spurs won't make it to 30 wins next year (perhaps not even close) unless they magically land a star. Demar led the Spurs to be a middle of the pack team, but now they'll truly be in that tank mode that so many folks wanted to see. The 2022 draft pick might be top 5.

[MoSpur02]

If Demar wants more than the MLE the Spurs are going to need to agree to an S&T. My guess is they won't accept Kuzma and whatever other garbage the Lakers dangle in front of them, so it's going to probably have to involve a third team somehow.

Not sure how the Lakers are thinking they'll swing Lowry and DeRozan, but maybe that's the third team that could make it all work. Toronto owes us a solid for that championship so maybe they'd have something we want.

Per Woj, the Lakers have called a lot of teams wanting to trade Kuzma and KCP as the package. I don’t mind Kuzma because he has potential, but I think LeBron being there messed stalled that potential a bit of that makes sense. If the Lakers wanna do a S&T they have to include THT.

Toronto has issues of their own. Lowry is wanting to leave and so is Siakam according to the rumors on the net. If true then maybe a three team deal involving Siakam and DeMar can be worked out somehow.

[exstatic]

This could mean the spurs go with a guard in the draft imo who’s the spurs creators White & DJ? That definitely won’t be good enough lol

Whites good enough. For players with 300 possessions in the 2019-2020 season, he was the #1 pick and roll ball handler in the NBA for points per possession, count both scoring and dishing for scores. He’s brutally efficient.

I’m not advocating for a DJ trade, but it wouldn’t break my heart either. They’re running the offense backwards, with DJ at the point, and White at the off guard.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Per Woj, the Lakers have called a lot of teams wanting to trade Kuzma and KCP as the package. I don’t mind Kuzma because he has potential, but I think LeBron being there messed stalled that potential a bit of that makes sense. If the Lakers wanna do a S&T they have to include THT.

Toronto has issues of their own. Lowry is wanting to leave and so is Siakam according to the rumors on the net. If true then maybe a three team deal involving Siakam and DeMar can be worked out somehow.

That would be interesting. Ujiri is certainly someone willing to take risks to make his team better. It would probably take an aggressive FO as the third team to talk the Spurs out of their fox hole and do a deal.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

With Ujiri's contract in Toronto having just expired, maybe the Spurs can sign him! :lol

[baseline bum]

Per Woj, the Lakers have called a lot of teams wanting to trade Kuzma and KCP as the package. I don’t mind Kuzma because he has potential, but I think LeBron being there messed stalled that potential a bit of that makes sense. If the Lakers wanna do a S&T they have to include THT.

Toronto has issues of their own. Lowry is wanting to leave and so is Siakam according to the rumors on the net. If true then maybe a three team deal involving Siakam and DeMar can be worked out somehow.

What potential does Kuzma have? He's 26, he's as good as he'll ever be.

[exstatic]

That would be interesting. Ujiri is certainly someone willing to take risks to make his team better. It would probably take an aggressive FO as the third team to talk the Spurs out of their fox hole and do a deal.

The thing is, whether it’s a direct trade, or a 3 team, or a 5 team, the Lakers just don’t have good trade assets. Ujiri is too smart to be the patsy at the poker table. You’d need a colossally stupid team like the Knicks to be involved to have a hope of pulling it off.

[LeBowen]

Kuzma is trash.

Inefficent chucker, awful on defense and a complete moron.

Lakers can't offer more than MLE to Demar if it's not a S&T.
Spurs should demand THT and one of KCP/Kuzma with a pick. It's finally time to rip someone off.

Then get a third team involved.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

This.

My guess is that the Spurs won't make it to 30 wins next year (perhaps not even close) unless they magically land a star. Demar led the Spurs to be a middle of the pack team, but now they'll truly be in that tank mode that so many folks wanted to see. The 2022 draft pick might be top 5.

I agree - DDR, Rudy and Patty might not be great but the team isn't going to be better without vets like them. It'd be more exciting to see the younger guys get minutes and touches but the chance they discover some hidden chemistry that'd make them better than the sum of all parts is slim. Still, if they're ready to hit the reset button, which is a big if, the 2022 and 2023 drafts are perfect for a 2-year tank. The problem is that a planned 2-year tank easily turns into a 10+ years one.

[TD 21]

That would be interesting. Ujiri is certainly someone willing to take risks to make his team better. It would probably take an aggressive FO as the third team to talk the Spurs out of their fox hole and do a deal.

:lmao At thinking that shady, shameless, self promotor (how's that for alliteration?) took a risk in that heist disguised as a trade.

A "risk" would have been the Celtics parting with Brown, for example, because that would have stung long term.

[exstatic]

I agree - DDR, Rudy and Patty might not be great but the team isn't going to be better without vets like them. It'd be more exciting to see the younger guys get minutes and touches but the chance they discover some hidden chemistry that'd make them better than the sum of all parts is slim. Still, if they're ready to hit the reset button, which is a big if, the 2022 and 2023 drafts are perfect for a 2-year tank. The problem is that a planned 2-year tank easily turns into a 10+ years one.

I keep thinking back to that Phoenix game, before White sprained his ankle. Pop rested DJ and DeRozan. We blew their shit out by 20+, and their announcers were lamenting DeRozan not playing “because then we’d know how to defend them”.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I keep thinking back to that Phoenix game, before White sprained his ankle. Pop rested DJ and DeRozan. We blew their shit out by 20+, and their announcers were lamenting DeRozan not playing “because then we’d know how to defend them”.

Loved that game but let's face it - it was a one off, similarly to what many teams experience facing a severely shorthanded team. It was a bright flash but not what we could realistically expect from them over a whole season.

[MoSpur02]

What potential does Kuzma have? He's 26, he's as good as he'll ever be.

I disagree somewhat. Is he going to be a lot better than what he showed the last two seasons? Probably not, but since LeBron arrives Kuzma’s production dipped. To me that’s not a coincidence. I think LeBron messed with Kuzma’s production a bit. I am not saying he is or will be a superstar. Not even an all-star, but I can seeing being a very solid player on the right squad. Better than what he showed the last two seasons. He was improving until LeBron showed up.

[Mugen]

:lol Glad the FO decided to get absolutely nothing in return for all the vets they're going to lose this offseason and have already lost

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

:lmao At thinking that shady, shameless, self promotor (how's that for alliteration?) took a risk in that heist disguised as a trade.

A "risk" would have been the Celtics parting with Brown, for example, because that would have stung long term.

At least Ujiri is out there making deals, which was my point. He may have fleeced the Spurs, but Kawhi successfully tanked his value, so there wasn't much else to do except let him sit out his last year and then walk for nothing. Which in retrospect would have been kind of cool I suppose. The Spurs just suffered a slower death by trading for DDR.

If not for Ujiri's skills, however you want to categorize them, I'm not sure Toronto wins a championship.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I disagree somewhat. Is he going to be a lot better than what he showed the last two seasons? Probably not, but since LeBron arrives Kuzma’s production dipped. To me that’s not a coincidence. I think LeBron messed with Kuzma’s production a bit. I am not saying he is or will be a superstar. Not even an all-star, but I can seeing being a very solid player on the right squad. Better than what he showed the last two seasons. He was improving until LeBron showed up.

Which I find is very odd. LeBron has seemingly lifted his teams and made players around him better. I dont remember any player who performed worse than his potential while playing with LeBron. If Kuzma couldnt' gel with LeBron, I doubt if its the latter's fault and more to do with Kuzma's lack of improvement.

[kht]

Do we want any of the Lakers' trash? Kuzma? Dennis?

[exstatic]

Which I find is very odd. LeBron has seemingly lifted his teams and made players around him better. I dont remember any player who performed worse than his potential while playing with LeBron. If Kuzma couldnt' gel with LeBron, I doubt if its the latter's fault and more to do with Kuzma's lack of improvement.

Bosh. Wade. Wade’s scoring dropped each year the Heatles were together.

[daslicer]

:lol Glad the FO decided to get absolutely nothing in return for all the vets they're going to lose this offseason and have already lost

This team has to rebuild. These vets that they are going to lose like Mills,Demar,Gay can't really get them anything. The failure of the front office is really their unwillingness to start the rebuild a few years ago instead of trying to be meddling thread mill team that is a 9-10th seed.

[baseline bum]

:lol Glad the FO decided to get absolutely nothing in return for all the vets they're going to lose this offseason and have already lost

I'll take nothing over Kuzma and his $13 million a year honestly.

[baseline bum]

This team has to rebuild. These vets that they are going to lose like Mills,Demar,Gay can't really get them anything. The failure of the front office is really their unwillingness to start the rebuild a few years ago instead of trying to be meddling thread mill team that is a 9-10th seed.

In retrospect, obviously should have pushed for those two Clippers picks and drafted Gilgous-Alexander and then taken a flyer on Porter. Still ridiculous to think that was the best offer on the table for mute cancer, fucking piece of shit uncle killing his trade value.

[Mugen]

This team has to rebuild. These vets that they are going to lose like Mills,Demar,Gay can't really get them anything. The failure of the front office is really their unwillingness to start the rebuild a few years ago instead of trying to be meddling thread mill team that is a 9-10th seed.

Disagree - they could have gotten at least SOMETHING for any one of those guys tbh.


I'll take nothing over Kuzma and his $13 million a year honestly.

I would too but doesn't excuse PATFO sitting on their asses for the last year when literally anybody with half a brain knew a) the roster was a low playoff seed at best b) all of the vets would just end up walking away this offseason anyways

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurs should've traded his ass 2 years ago and at the least at the deadline, now they'll walk away with Pelinca's foot shoved up RC's ass LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Truly a poverty and inept front office. LMA and DeRozan walking for NOTHING

[The Truth #6]

In retrospect, obviously should have pushed for those two Clippers picks and drafted Gilgous-Alexander and then taken a flyer on Porter. Still ridiculous to think that was the best offer on the table for mute cancer, fucking piece of shit uncle killing his trade value.

I agree. If the Clippers scenario was on the table, as I thought it was at the time, then yeah, that was obviously the move then and in retrospect. But the Nephew Apocalypse was so weird for the franchise I don’t think the FO could see where we were headed. They should have, though.

[tmtcsc]

Who says the Lakers would even want him? MAYBE for scrap change but thats about it. Resigning him in San Antonio would be a huge mistake.

[TD 21]

As I've said all along, I suspect DeRozan is a last resort for the Lakers (Lowry, Westbrook, Dinwiddie, Ball, ?), but he's also likely their best bet of the bunch, probably the most motivated to get to them and there's clearly a deal to be made between the teams.



At least Ujiri is out there making deals, which was my point. He may have fleeced the Spurs, but Kawhi successfully tanked his value, so there wasn't much else to do except let him sit out his last year and then walk for nothing. Which in retrospect would have been kind of cool I suppose. The Spurs just suffered a slower death by trading for DDR.

If not for Ujiri's skills, however you want to categorize them, I'm not sure Toronto wins a championship.

The Raptors were given a tainted championship and subsequent unearned reputation because, as you said, Scumbag tanked his value (immediately destroying credibility) and in addition, the Spurs lost their minds and the Warriors were decimated by injuries.

[slick'81]

Spurs fo achilles heal has always been only making deals when they absolutely have to.Rodman,elliott,kawhi and now lma/ddr. The fo is adverse to change and would rather be precieved as good guys who do right by their players unless they have no choice. Keldon johnson literally saved the spurs on that tor deal and every team passed on him. Lakers will part with kuzma/kcp and thats about it,assuming they want to give derozan more then the mle. If spurs could get an extra first outta la might as well pull the trigger,i guess:lol

[R. DeMurre]

Not sure what stat sites others follow and favor here, but I find the RAPTOR ratings on fivethirtyeight.com to be one of the better ones, and the way DeRozan rates defensively on there is pretty stunning, even for a guy with a rep as a mediocre defender. As a SF, he rates as the 85th best defender out of 87 players. In their defensive ranking for all positions with a minimum of 1086 minutes played, he ranks 238th out of 250 players. According to 82games.com the Spurs give up 117.9 pts per 100 possessions with DeRozan on the floor and 108.6 with him off.

[Leetonidas]

Laker fans are salivating now thinking he'd take a paycut means he'd take the MLE or the vet min to sign there :lmao :lmao

[TheCerebral1]

Good, GTFO. The worst name only star player we've ever rostered. Such hollow stats.

[cd98]

I'm thinking there is no way he gets to LA. I mean, possibly there could be a sign and trade, which is the only way for him to get paid what he would want and get to LA, but do the Spurs want anything that the Lakers have and would they want to absorb any of that salary? My guess is no. Maybe if the Lakers can somehow unprotect their pick and put there draft pick for this year on the table, but that's not the greatest draft pick.

[Fusternino]

Seeing some rumble on a 4/150 offer. Not a fan.

[ismael-robert]

How did Kuz do in world cup under pop? He has 1st hand experience coaching him

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Seeing some rumble on a 4/150 offer. Not a fan.

Doubt he gets that much but people who think he's going to play for the MLE are deluded. I expect something closer to Hayward money for DDR, somewhere between 4/100 and 4/120.

[EricB]

Doubt he gets that much but people who think he's going to play for the MLE are deluded. I expect something closer to Hayward money for DDR, somewhere between 4/100 and 4/120.

maybe compute how much Kuzma kcp and Marc Gasol make and that could be close to who you’d get in return for DeRozan, along with a first

[Uriel]

If we could sign and trade DeRozan for Kuzma, Horton-Tucker, and a first (Duarte), I’d do it. Then draft Sengun, nab John Collins in free agency, get rid of the veterans, and it will have been a good offseason.

PG: Murray / Jones
SG: White / Walker / Duarte
SF: Johnson / Horton-Tucker / Vassell
PF: Collins / Kuzma / Samanic
C: Poeltl / Eubanks / Sengun

[szkorhetz]

If we could sign and trade DeRozan for Kuzma, Horton-Tucker, and a first (Duarte), I’d do it. Then nab John Collins in free agency, get rid of the veterans, and it will have been a good offseason.
After this riport, why would the Lakers do it?
THT(but KCP is more likely)+Kuzma is the max, we won't get a pick in return that's for sure.

[CGD]

If we could sign and trade DeRozan for Kuzma, Horton-Tucker, and a first (Duarte), I’d do it. Then draft Sengun, nab John Collins in free agency, get rid of the veterans, and it will have been a good offseason.

PG: Murray / Jones
SG: White / Walker / Duarte
SF: Johnson / Horton-Tucker / Vassell
PF: Collins / Kuzma / Samanic
C: Poeltl / Eubanks / Sengun

Hate to bust your bubble but Duarte will be long gone by #22. He’s been climbing.

[mo7888]

After this riport, why would the Lakers do it?
THT(but KCP is more likely)+Kuzma is the max, we won't get a pick in return that's for sure.

Sure we would....but if they were persistent about keeping the puck then we just let him walk. We are under no pressure to do that deal.

[The Truth #6]

Has anyone heard or looked into s/t with the Clippers?

[CGD]

Has anyone heard or looked into s/t with the Clippers?

It’s crappier than the Lakers option. At best it’d be something around Zubac, filler, and whoever Clips pick at 25 this year. I suspect all their future picks are heavily encumbered after the OKC trade, but haven’t looked at it.

[mo7888]

Has anyone heard or looked into s/t with the Clippers?

Coming back would need to be Kennard, Mann, pick(s), and one of Beverly, zubac, or serge

[Ice009]

I agree. If the Clippers scenario was on the table, as I thought it was at the time, then yeah, that was obviously the move then and in retrospect. But the Nephew Apocalypse was so weird for the franchise I don’t think the FO could see where we were headed. They should have, though.

I got blasted when I said the Spurs should have taken the Clippers offer instead of trading for Derozan. I was not happy with the Derozan trade and would have been much happier with a trade with the Clippers, but having said that, was that offer ever on the table from the Clippers?

[Spursfanfromafar]

Bosh. Wade. Wade’s scoring dropped each year the Heatles were together.

Disagree. Bosh became a more all round player when LeBron played for the Heatles.

[John B]

If we could sign and trade DeRozan for Kuzma, Horton-Tucker, and a first (Duarte), I’d do it. Then draft Sengun, nab John Collins in free agency, get rid of the veterans, and it will have been a good offseason.

PG: Murray / Jones
SG: White / Walker / Duarte
SF: Johnson / Horton-Tucker / Vassell
PF: Collins / Kuzma / Samanic
C: Poeltl / Eubanks / Sengun

After S&T Demar, I doubt Spurs have enough to Max deal JC unless Hawks S&T him also, and we could lose any of DJ or White and future pick(s). I doubt Duarte will be available at #22. He’s been rising. It might need to be Dub’s #14 pick to take Wiggin’s salary. Whatever it is, I hope the PATFO is doing it’s diligence. There are deals to be made that could re-direct the Spurs to its proper course after the Nephew’s fiasco and left Spurs with mismatched antiquated style of roster.

Personally, I would sacrifice DJM to acquire Collins. And move White, the better facilitator, to the main PG, draft Duarte at #12, and if I could get another pick from S&T for Demar, then draft the BAP (bonus Sengun or Wagner). I think drafting Duarte is the priority as he can play the starting SG off the bat.

White, Tre, (41st pick)
Duarte, Walker, Mills
Keldon, Vassell
Collins, Samanic, (BAP)
Poeltl, Dieng, Drew

[The Truth #6]

I got blasted when I said the Spurs should have taken the Clippers offer instead of trading for Derozan. I was not happy with the Derozan trade and would have been much happier with a trade with the Clippers, but having said that, was that offer ever on the table from the Clippers?

I’ve heard various opinions. Either way, they should have pursued it, but of course they didn’t realize ir couldn’t admit that they were stuck with a rebuild. Three odd somewhat wasted years, though some young players got to improve.

[John B]

I’ve heard various opinions. Either way, they should have pursued it, but of course they didn’t realize ir couldn’t admit that they were stuck with a rebuild. Three odd somewhat wasted years, though some young players got to improve.

Especially wasted if Spurs just let Demar walk, Poeltl unplayable at 4th quarter. The only silver lining is Keldon, but considering Spurs could’ve drafted SGA.

[slick'81]

Especially wasted if Spurs just let Demar walk, Poeltl unplayable at 4th quarter. The only silver lining is Keldon, but considering Spurs could’ve drafted SGA.


Its all moot at this point. The woulda coulda shouldas mean shit now. Will be intersting to see what demar does and contract he recieves this offseason

[baseline bum]

Good, GTFO. The worst name only star player we've ever rostered. Such hollow stats.

Jefferson was way worse

[MoSpur02]

I would think Philly would like to get rid of Simmons and try to acquire Lowry who they were after at the trade deadline. I can see DeRozan and Lowry teaming up in Philly with Embiid to form a somewhat “super team.” The thing is that Philly would have to get rid of Simmons and possibly Harris if Lowry & DeRozan want lots of money.