Pelosi Says House Won’t Consider Bipartisan Infrastructure Plan without Reconciliation Proposal

[Isitjustme?]

Voting going good right now. Got 6 Rinos aboard too :)

[SnakeBoy]

Voting going good right now. Got 6 Rinos aboard too :)

Pelosi Says House Won’t Consider Bipartisan Infrastructure Plan without Reconciliation Proposal

[baseline bum]

I hope the $65 billion for high speed internet doesn't go to rural poors

[BackHome]

Is this going to save Social Security or Medicare?

[Isitjustme?]

Pelosi Says House Won’t Consider Bipartisan Infrastructure Plan without Reconciliation Proposal

How you doing with those 10 Rino cuckservatives? Pretty appalling imo

[spurraider21]

Dumbasses should have passed this before the elections

[Winehole23]

Dumbasses should have passed this before the electionsmuch harder to do now. but a few Republicans might have said fuck it, I'll vote yes back in August. ah well, what's next?

CBO
Vote and vote
Senate
Conference

Something like that?

[Winehole23]

Infrastructure just passed?

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[Winehole23]

So the infrastructure happened anyway...

[Winehole23]

...so much for that ball of worry

[spurraider21]

So the infrastructure happened anyway...
This is what I’m saying. Should have done this months ago.

[ElNono]

Infrastructure just passed?

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In what world is this a win for Brandon? He got nothing he wanted. This is a win for Manchinema...

[SnakeBoy]

How you doing with those 10 Rino cuckservatives? Pretty appalling imo

How so? It's a bipartisan bill.

Biden passes infrastructure bill that Trump wanted but Dems blocked. Fails to get radical socialist spending bill passed.

:tu

[boutons_deux]

In what world is this a win for Brandon? He got nothing he wanted. This is a win for Manchinema...

... who are bribed by oligarchy who are the real winners, as always.

I will be surprised if Sinema doesn't switch parties, sooner rather than later,

and maybe Manchin go Independent, (in name only)

[CosmicCowboy]

How much of that broadband money do you think Google will get?

[Isitjustme?]

How much of that broadband money do you think Google will get?
If they're using it to put Google fiber in my neighborhood I hope all of it

[CosmicCowboy]

If they're using it to put Google fiber in my neighborhood I hope all of it

Yeah I have it at my house in SA and its super fast.

[boutons_deux]

It's a win for Dems and For The People, but yes, the oligarchy, pocketing $Ts from the untouched 2017 tax cut scam, gutted a lot of fantastic stuff

The Capitalist oligarchy, enabled by the Constitution, fucks America.

[baseline bum]

This is what I’m saying. Should have done this months ago.

At least before blowing Virigina

[Isitjustme?]

How so? It's a bipartisan bill.

Biden passes infrastructure bill that Trump wanted but Dems blocked. Fails to get radical socialist spending bill passed.

:tu

Glad to have you on Team Biden. I agree he performed excellently here in an area where Trump sadly failed

[boutons_deux]

Trash and Repugs, every week was infrastructure week, every week was kill/replace ACA, etc, etc

After they got into office, the ONLY business was the 2017 tax cut for the oligarchy.

[Splits]

How so? It's a bipartisan bill.

Biden passes infrastructure bill that Trump wanted but Dems blocked. Fails to get radical socialist spending bill passed.

:tu

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[Splits]

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[boutons_deux]

41 TX rural hospitals at risk of failure. Did anybody see Abbutt do anything for them this session?

[SnakeBoy]

Glad to have you on Team Biden. I agree he performed excellently here in an area where Trump sadly failed

I've said more than once that I'm quite pleased that Biden is continuing to implement Trump's Murica first agenda.

Pretty funny to me to see libs try to spin that the very things they were freaking out about are now really what they wanted all along. Meanwhile the Bernie wing keeps taking it in the ass.

[Isitjustme?]

I've said more than once that I'm quite pleased that Biden is continuing to implement Trump's Murica first agenda.

Pretty funny to me to see libs try to spin that the very things they were freaking out about are now really what they wanted all along. Meanwhile the Bernie wing keeps taking it in the ass.
Yeah, us libs hate infrastructure so much its true. Last week I tried to chain myself to a road crew's asphalt mixer so that liquid asphalt would not pour onto the barren dirt i love so dearly..btw this is good content from you here as always.

[boutons_deux]

Trump And

Democrats Agree On $2 Trillion For Infrastructure,

But Not On How To Pay

Trump said, "I'll lead on this." :lol

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/30/718677236/trump-and-democrats-agree-on-2-trillion-for-infrastructure-but-not-on-how-to-pay

[Adam Lambert]

Yeah, us libs hate infrastructure so much its true. Last week I tried to chain myself to a road crew's asphalt mixer so that liquid asphalt would not pour onto the barren dirt i love so dearly..btw this is good content from you here as always.

Remember when Trump tried to jam through legislation that would update and weatherize power grids, improve energy efficiency for low-income households and modernize public transit? I loved protesting my ass off against those things with my lib friends between 2017-2021.

[DMC]

I've said more than once that I'm quite pleased that Biden is continuing to implement Trump's Murica first agenda.

Pretty funny to me to see libs try to spin that the very things they were freaking out about are now really what they wanted all along. Meanwhile the Bernie wing keeps taking it in the ass.

You just need to change the name to "Build Back Better" which has no where near the racial connotation as "Make America Great Again" since the hat would be blue instead of red. We all know red is a racist color. It even starts with R.

I knew Biden had it in him. I've said so here time and again.

[ChumpDumper]

You just need to change the name to "Build Back Better" which has no where near the racial connotation as "Make America Great Again" since the hat would be blue instead of red. We all know red is a racist color. It even starts with R.

I knew Biden had it in him. I've said so here time and again.

We know Republicans depend on racists to win and that you are just fine with their support.

[Ef-man]

We know Republicans depend on racists to win and that you are just fine with their support.

Plus trump would have Mexico pay for his infrastructure plan and his healthcare plan (which he will repeal and replace imminently).

[Isitjustme?]

Remember when Trump tried to jam through legislation that would update and weatherize power grids, improve energy efficiency for low-income households and modernize public transit? I loved protesting my ass off against those things with my lib friends between 2017-2021.

It was infrastructure week every day for 4 years. Just amazing

[spurraider21]

liberals hate it when you pass big spending bills on domestic programs

[boutons_deux]

Fascist party discipline, voting "your conscience" or "for your district" is strictly verboten

'Must Be Eliminated':

Trash Republicans Vow to Oust GOP Members Who Voted for Infrastructure

https://www.newsweek.com/must-eliminated-trump-republicans-vow-oust-gop-members-who-voted-infrastructure-1646725

The 13 House Republicans who voted for the bill include:

Bacon;
Malliotakis;
Don Young of Alaska;
Adam Kinzinger of Illinois;
Fred Upton of Michigan;
Jeff Van Drew and
Chris Smith of New Jersey;
Andrew Garbarino,
John Katko and
Tom Reed of New York;
Anthony Gonzalez of Ohio;
Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania; and
David McKinley of West Virginia.

The six House Democrats who voted against the bill include:
Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts;
Rashida Tlaib of Michigan;
Ilhan Omar of Minnesota;
Cori Bush of Missouri;
Jamaal Bowman and
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York;

[Winehole23]

Bernard votes nay on the NDAA.

After all, it won't pay for itself and on an annualized basis it's three times bigger than the erstwhile topline of the BBB bill.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEWLzlEXoAYDi9N?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Winehole23]

legalized bribery, tbh

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[Cuck Ross]

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:rollin

[spurraider21]

the salt cap increase fucks the whole thing

[ChumpDumper]

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:rollin

:rollin acting like you ever cared about deficits

[Winehole23]

the salt cap increase fucks the whole thingBolshevik Brandon

[Winehole23]

BBB passes House, on to the Senate

[CosmicCowboy]

BBB passes House, on to the Senate

The progressive caucus will lose their shit when it comes back from the Senate.

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/258639356_257362726495309_8255202767178626614_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=H7yCuwaJ3agAX8uv00H&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&oh=d9066b51b04189aaf31f50f37244d686&oe=619BFC0C

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol
Boots joke for the day.

[Winehole23]

The progressive caucus will lose their shit when it comes back from the Senate.Then they'll pass it, if President Manchin allows it..

[boutons_deux]

Historic immigration reform included in House-passed spending bill

the most extensive immigration reform package reviewed by Congress in 35 years, albeit in a much reduced version from what proponents originally sought.

If the provision is approved by the Senate as-is, the immigration measure in the bill would allow undocumented people present in the U.S. since before 2011 up to 10 years of work authorization, falling short of an initial goal to offer them a pathway to citizenship.

The provision approved by the House offers a sort of waiver to immigration laws, using a process known as parole to allow people to stay in the country for five years with the option to extend for another five years thereafter.

https://thehill.com/latino/582254-historic-immigration-reform-included-in-house-passed-spending-bill

and DACA/Dreamers?

[Cuck Ross]

https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/258639356_257362726495309_8255202767178626614_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=H7yCuwaJ3agAX8uv00H&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&oh=d9066b51b04189aaf31f50f37244d686&oe=619BFC0C

:rollin

[Winehole23]

Btw, what was the CBO score for the NDAA? How will we pay for it?

[ElNono]

When did Republicans went back to being deficit hawks? Must've been this year at some point...

[Will Hunting]

Btw, what was the CBO score for the NDAA? How will we pay for it?
Or the Trump tax scam

[boutons_deux]

When did Republicans went back to being deficit hawks? Must've been this year at some point...

after they added $8T to the deficit, 2017-2020

[Winehole23]

the salt cap increase fucks the whole thingnow reportedly the second biggest expenditure in the bill. only 13% of US taxpayers qualify for this deduction.

smdh at Bolshevik Brandon and the hardcore socialist Dems

[CosmicCowboy]

Or the Trump tax scam

*ding*

[Winehole23]

*ding*he's right, Rs pass tax cuts reflexively, without CBO scoring or bellyaching about how it gets paid for

[CosmicCowboy]

he's right, Rs pass tax cuts reflexively, without CBO scoring or bellyaching about how it gets paid for

*ding*

[Winehole23]

*ding*https://c.tenor.com/us7fggHPuXcAAAAC/tilt.gif

[baseline bum]

*ding*

So you don't give two fucks about deficits

[CosmicCowboy]

So you don't give two fucks about deficits

I care a lot about deficits. I was simply pointing out the laughably obvious partisan whataboutism.

[Winehole23]

I care a lot about deficits. I was simply pointing out the laughably obvious partisan whataboutism.One to one comparisons on the same issue -- Congressional spending and deficits -- isn't whataboutism.

[ChumpDumper]

I care a lot about deficits.:lmao

[Winehole23]

That GOP concern trolling about deficits vanishes during GOP administrations and revives when Dems regain office is absolutely germane to this conversation.

baseline bum got you dead to rights on that one, CC

[CosmicCowboy]

One to one comparisons on the same issue -- Congressional spending and deficits -- isn't whataboutism.

sure it is.

[CosmicCowboy]

That GOP concern trolling about deficits vanishes during GOP administrations and revives when Dems regain office is absolutely germane to this conversation.

baseline bum got you dead to rights on that one, CC

hypocrite

blue team does exactly the same thing

whataboutism

[Winehole23]

hypocrite

blue team does exactly the same thing

whataboutismDoes that make you being a deficit hypocrite ok? you were silent as a churchmouse from Jan 21, 2017 until inauguration day this year. :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

I've bee talking deficits with both teams. You guys have given me shit for years for saying it ultimately leads to inflation.

easy enough to find from 2010:


Meh. It's the whole fucking bunch of em...Bush included. Obama is just worse than the average bear.

[CosmicCowboy]

While Trump was President in 2018:


You think either party represents fiscal responsibility? Thats hilarious.

[CosmicCowboy]

Again while Trump was President:


I'm not saying that a certain level of deficit spending is bad. It's like chemotherapy for a sick economy. The question is, at what level does it eventually kill the patient?

[CosmicCowboy]

again from 2010:


I actually think we should raise taxes AND reduce spending so I'm apparently not a Republican OR a Democrat on this issue. There always has been short term ups and downs in the economy. The argument that we should run trillion dollar deficits now to "make things better" in the short term rings hollow with me. You young people are the ones that are really going to be hurt by this policy. The debt is reaching a point that it is simply unsustainable. I find it humorous that it's the old guys in the forum that are most against racking up national debt and the young guys that revile them for it.

[CosmicCowboy]

I am painfully aware that I can't control what congress and the President do so I just laugh about it when they do something that benefits me. Whether it's Obama golf carts or forgiven PPP gifts, or them passing the SALT deduction (that Trump took away) in 'build back better" that will save me a shit ton of money...I just roll with it so thanks guys...

[Will Hunting]

*ding*
You're admission that what I said is true is dully noted!

[CosmicCowboy]

You're admission that what I said is true is dully noted!

which was what?

[Will Hunting]

I am painfully aware that I can't control what congress and the President do so I just laugh about it when they do something that benefits me. Whether it's Obama golf carts or forgiven PPP gifts, or them passing the SALT deduction (that Trump took away) in 'build back better" that will save me a shit ton of money...I just roll with it so thanks guys...
To the extent BBB helps you that's not going to wondrously make me no longer support it :lol, especially if it incentivizes you to rely more on alternative energy sources. That's the whole point.

[Will Hunting]

which was what?
That your party's beloved 2017 TCJA was a fiscal disaster in terms of the effect it had on the deficit.

[Will Hunting]

I care a lot about deficits.
Of course you do, it's a Democrat in the White House right now.

[Will Hunting]

FTR I would have preferred if BBB had more tax hikes resulting in a net positive affect on the deficit, if for no reason other than it'd be politically beneficial, but I give zero fucks about the right wing pearl clutching over deficits after Trump ran up an 8 trillion dollar credit card bill in just 1 term.

[CosmicCowboy]

That your party's beloved 2017 TCJA was a fiscal disaster in terms of the effect it had on the deficit.

Here we go again

blue team increases the deficit is great (BBB)
red team increases the deficit is bad (TCJA)

i say neither party is fiscally responsible.

[spurraider21]

Here we go again

blue team increases the deficit is great (BBB)
red team increases the deficit is bad (TCJA)

i say neither party is fiscally responsible.
increasing deficit to pay for programs that will help a lot of people is good

increasing deficits to pad the pockets of the wealthy is bad

[CosmicCowboy]

increasing deficit to pay for programs that will help a lot of people is good

increasing deficits to pad the pockets of the wealthy is bad

:lmao

like a bunch of wealthy aren't gonna make bank on the BBB. LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

You still haven't figured out how this works?

[spurraider21]

:lmao

like a bunch of wealthy aren't gonna make bank on the BBB. LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

You still haven't figured out how this works?
i didnt say the benefits are exclusive to the non-wealthy. but will be more equitable than the TCJA by a country mile

and like Will, i would have wanted tax hikes as part of the BBB to finance it. and while i do believe Trump's targeting SALT was basically out of spite to blue states (there were better ways to deal with deductions), i think lifting the cap was a pretty stupid move right now

[Will Hunting]

Here we go again

blue team increases the deficit is great (BBB)
red team increases the deficit is bad (TCJA)

i say neither party is fiscally responsible.
BBB increases the deficit by $400 billion (potentially less if Yellen's modeling is right)

TCJA increases the deficit by $1.9 trillion

Wonder why you're trying to both sides this and pretend they're the same thing.

[Will Hunting]

:lmao

like a bunch of wealthy aren't gonna make bank on the BBB. LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

You still haven't figured out how this works?
Plenty will, but the right wing money / lobbying machine has mobilized to try and stop BBB, so it clearly has stuff they don't like.

[Winehole23]

Honest both sides-er CC is still calling BBB a $5T bill


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE6jW_aXoAYrLFC?format=jpg&name=900x900a non-trivial portion of that goes to five military contractors


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDYdazvWUAIsw2I?format=jpg&name=large

[Winehole23]

Here we go again

blue team increases the deficit is great (BBB)
red team increases the deficit is bad (TCJA)

i say neither party is fiscally responsible.you say both sides, but you still haven't called out Trump personally at any time.

you just say "both sides" then call Brandon a Bolshevik for deficit spending that's a fraction of Trump's, dollarwise.

[CosmicCowboy]

Honest both sides-er CC is still calling BBB a $5T bill

a non-trivial portion of that goes to five military contractors


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDYdazvWUAIsw2I?format=jpg&name=large

The gimmick is the programs they put in place theoretically "end" in few years, which never happens. Its 5 trillion for ten years when they dont end.

[Winehole23]

Rob Wittman voted against the infrastructure bill

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFSOSDiXwAAZX_-?format=png&name=900x900

[boutons_deux]

Manchin gets his reward from Republicans for fighting against Biden agenda

the Coalition to Protect American Workers, :lol

a Republican group led by Marc Short, former Vice President Mike Pence’s former chief of staff, is

spending in the large six figures (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/bid-block-biden-s-1-7t-bill-conservatives-praise-democrat-n1285099) on an ad campaign to thank Manchin for fighting against President Joe Biden’s economic agenda.

the Coalition to “Protect” American Workers means the Republican mega-donors, not West Virginians.

And by “fighting” they mean stopping this economic and climate agenda that will help people and maybe save the globe.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/12/1/2066883/-Manchin-rewarded-by-Republican-group-with-ads-thanking-him-for-betraying-Biden-Democrats

[DMC]

Plenty will, but the right wing money / lobbying machine has mobilized to try and stop BBB, so it clearly has stuff they don't like.

It has Biden legacy and possible boost in approval. They like the WH better, 4 years of favors beats one paycheck.

[Winehole23]

$7.7T defense bill passes.

:cry How will we pay for it? :cry

[RandomGuy]

Here we go again

blue team increases the deficit is great (BBB)
red team increases the deficit is bad (TCJA)

i say neither party is fiscally responsible.

"both sides" lazy thinking fail.

smh

[RandomGuy]

The gimmick is the programs they put in place theoretically "end" in few years, which never happens. Its 5 trillion for ten years when they dont end.

Infrastructure maintenance never ends. Not sure if you were aware.

[CosmicCowboy]

Boutons II talking to himself again.

[boutons_deux]

"both sides" lazy thinking fail.

smh

yep, classic false equivalence, leaving out the actual reasons why either party increases the debt.

Same with filibuster, RWNJs claiming the Dems love the filibuster when they are the minority, but what exactly from the Repugs have the Dems filibustered? Compared with what Repugs are filibustering?

[Winehole23]

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[boutons_deux]

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... pocketing $10Ms in PProtectionP, they still fired 100Ks. fraud

[DMC]

DMC - "both sides"

Forum left - :lol no

Forum left now "both sides"

[Winehole23]

Child Tax Credit, BBB, voting rights and college loan forbearance are all swirling the drain
...

[CosmicCowboy]

Child Tax Credit, BBB, voting rights and college loan forbearance are all swirling the drain
...

Yep. Manchin taking a big greasy shit on you. :lol

[benefactor]

Politicians lie?

Shocker.

[Winehole23]

Politicians lie?

Shocker.Hardly, but barely a peep from Brandon backers here that the Brandon agenda is mostly DOA.

[baseline bum]

Hardly, but barely a peep from Brandon backers here that the Brandon agenda is mostly DOA.

Knew it would happen when they couldn't get the senate to at least 51.

[boutons_deux]

50 Dem Senators have 40M+ population majority, but can't pass shit because of one or two corrupt so-called "Dem" Senators

Fuck you to hell, Constitution

imagine winning the Senate 58 - 42 and still can't pass shit due to minority rule

Fuck the Senate and its 19th century filibuster to hell.

[Thread]

50 Dem Senators have 40M+ population majority, but can't pass shit because of one or two corrupt so-called "Dem" Senators

Fuck you to hell, Constitution

imagine winning the Senate 58 - 42 and still can't pass shit due to minority rule

Fuck the Senate and its 19th century filibuster to hell.

Unfortunately I seriously believe Manchin will spit-the-bit in the bitter end and vote for it. Biden with cave a bit on something so that Manchin can succeed, but it/the cut won't be anything of great merit. Just a token.

[DMC]

50 Dem Senators have 40M+ population majority, but can't pass shit because of one or two corrupt so-called "Dem" Senators

Fuck you to hell, Constitution

imagine winning the Senate 58 - 42 and still can't pass shit due to minority rule

Fuck the Senate and its 19th century filibuster to hell.
FBI

[DMC]

Child Tax Credit, BBB, voting rights and college loan forbearance are all swirling the drain
...

Seems I discussed this in another thread. The ineptness of the democratic party, but hey.. as long as they meant well.

[CosmicCowboy]

Manchin confirms this morning he is a hard no on BBB. "just can't get there".

[Thread]

Manchin confirms this morning he is a hard no on BBB. "just can't get there".

I never believed he'd stand fast like this.

At least Biden still has those "shovel ready jobs" in that other thingy that Hussein Obama promised like 10 years ago.

[SnakeBoy]

Seems I discussed this in another thread. The ineptness of the democratic party, but hey.. as long as they meant well.

Having good intentions is the most important thing in life

[CosmicCowboy]

50 Dem Senators have 40M+ population majority, but can't pass shit because of one or two corrupt so-called "Dem" Senators

Fuck you to hell, Constitution

imagine winning the Senate 58 - 42 and still can't pass shit due to minority rule

Fuck the Senate and its 19th century filibuster to hell.

Boo is really mad he doesn't get his free shit. :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

They are pulling the same shit on cannabis reform. Social Justice bullshit, 25% tax to throw at pet projects. Only problem, tax the legal distributors 25% and the black market kills them on price with no legal downside.

[DMC]

Having good intentions is the most important thing in life

:lol Thoughts and prayers good again

[DMC]

Boo is really mad he doesn't get his free shit. :lol

He's dealing with Kyle, Hillary, Jussie and now this.. Boots on the ground.

[Isitjustme?]

Hardly, but barely a peep from Brandon backers here that the Brandon agenda is mostly DOA.

What is there to say? lol Manchin was always going to be a pain in the ass and vote against most anything ambitious. Was obvious when we only got 50 seats. More angered at people like Cal Cunningham who blew easily winnable elections which mean we had to rely on Manchin and Sinema

[Isitjustme?]

Knew it would happen when they couldn't get the senate to at least 51.

Trillions of dollars of helpful agenda down the drain because Cal Cunningham couldnt keep his dick in his pants

[Isitjustme?]

Seems I discussed this in another thread. The ineptness of the democratic party, but hey.. as long as they meant well.

Lmao Rs had 52 seats and this happened

https://c.tenor.com/HRghZ3oeefYAAAAC/thumbs-down.gif

[Ef-man]

Cutting off your nose to spite your face.


Goldman Sachs cuts US economic forecast after Joe Manchin rejects Build Back Better.

"A failure to pass BBB has negative growth implications," Goldman Sachs economists, led by Jan Hatzius, said in the research report.
Citing the "apparent demise" of Build Back Better, Goldman Sachs now expects GDP to grow at an annualized pace of 2% in the first quarter, down from 3% previously.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/19/economy/goldman-sachs-joe-manchin-build-back-better/index.html

[Thread]

Lmao Rs had 52 seats and this happened

https://c.tenor.com/HRghZ3oeefYAAAAC/thumbs-down.gif

Because this had happened...

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

Trump made President, whereas McCain failed and he couldn't handle it.

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHD7NPbWUAcyP1s?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHEEKD3XIAYukBF?format=jpg&name=large

[SnakeBoy]

https://i.imgur.com/EX39VkS.jpeg

[CosmicCowboy]

https://i.imgur.com/EX39VkS.jpeg

:lmao

[Ef-man]

https://i.imgur.com/EX39VkS.jpeg

Women are like that when angry.

But it is worse when women are horny, you know, like the time MAGAtards were all sent to cuck shed.


https://static1.purepeople.com/articles/3/34/89/83/@/4993388-le-premier-ministre-canadien-justin-tru-950x0-2.jpg

[Isitjustme?]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHD7NPbWUAcyP1s?format=jpg&name=900x900

Really lampooning Manchin and the 50 Republicans very well there, I like it!

[DMC]

Lmao Rs had 52 seats and this happened

https://c.tenor.com/HRghZ3oeefYAAAAC/thumbs-down.gif

Det supreme court though

[DMC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHD7NPbWUAcyP1s?format=jpg&name=900x900

That's like saying you spent 460K for your house, why not spend 200K for a car.

Unless you think you don't need a military or a car (we know you don't need a car, so maybe a 200K dollar bicycle.)

We all benefit from a strong military. What do I get by paying for your kid's college?

[ChumpDumper]

DMC defensive AF about government welfare spending on the military.:lol

[Extra Stout]

Outcomes like this are ideal for a lot of Democratic donors. They get the in-group moral status that accompanies paying the requisite lip service for progressive policies without the inconvenience of actually having them come to pass.

[ElNono]

Been on vacay and haven’t kept track of politics, but Manchinena pulling the rug on this was an easy call, tbh, and I called it.

The real political question is what’s the damage to this administration heading into the midterms, and after that, what does the Democratic Party does with Senators like him when it comes to funding their races, etc.

[Isitjustme?]

https://c.tenor.com/BzdybKbJj7gAAAAd/moving-goalpost.gif

[Isitjustme?]

Been on vacay and haven’t kept track of politics, but Manchinena pulling the rug on this was an easy call, tbh, and I called it.

The real political question is what’s the damage to this administration heading into the midterms, and after that, what does the Democratic Party does with Senators like him when it comes to funding their races, etc.

Well, Manchin for all his warts we need because well,....West Virginia...but Sinema is ridiculous since she is from Arizona and Kelly won there while being a regular Democrat. so that B word can get a primary challenger who will get many happy donors myself included

[ElNono]

Well, Manchin for all his warts we need because well,....West Virginia...but Sinema is ridiculous since she is from Arizona and Kelly won there while being a regular Democrat. so that B word can get a primary challenger who will get many happy donors myself included

Manchin needs to make it official and switch parties, tbh… I’m not sure the party is better served with the ‘we need him’ short term, if it means continuous damage longer term. This is a person that has fundamental disagreements with the party platform and policies as a whole, there’s no way forward with him and he doesn’t have the national clout to reform the Democratic Party around what he thinks.

[Isitjustme?]

Manchin needs to make it official and switch parties, tbh… I’m not sure the party is better served with the ‘we need him’ short term, if it means continuous damage longer term. This is a person that has fundamental disagreements with the party platform and policies as a whole, there’s no way forward with him and he doesn’t have the national clout to reform the Democratic Party around what he thinks.

He is rubber stamping every Biden judge and Biden is appointing tons of public defenders as judges which is novel and great. Also the democrats lose all their committees and such without 50 senators so would be years of Republican Biden/Benghazi or corruption "investigations" special committees etc. etc.. Real problem is the losses in other states that make him and Sinema matter so much imo

[boutons_deux]

Manchin needs to make it official and switch parties,

he said he would go independent, not switch, caucus with Dems (but continue to vote with Repugs)

Fuck you, Constitution.

[boutons_deux]

Coal Workers Are Livid With Sen. Manchin, Let Him Know He's Turning His Back On Them

the United Mine Workers are telling him it’s time he work for them and support this bill

"We urge Senator Manchin to revisit his opposition to this legislation and work with his colleagues to

pass something that will help keep coal miners working, and have a meaningful impact on our members, their families and their communities,”

Build Back Better, for example, includes several tax incentives—which Manchin's Big Coal donors are fighting—to encourage manufacturers to build new facilities at the coal site and hire unemployed miners.

Manchin's opposition means “the potential for those jobs is significantly threatened,”

they also believe in voting rights--a provision in BBB--and want him to get on board with that as well.

“I also want to reiterate our support for the passage of voting rights legislation as soon as possible, and

strongly encourage Senator Manchin and every other Senator to be prepared to do whatever it takes to accomplish that,” Roberts said (https://umwa.org/news-media/press/umwa-statement-on-build-back-better-legislation/)in the statement.

“Anti-democracy legislators and their allies are working every day to roll back the right to vote in America.

Failure by the Senate to stand up to that is unacceptable and a dereliction of their duty to the Constitution.”


https://www.nationalmemo.com/coal-workers-joe-manchin

[ElNono]

He is rubber stamping every Biden judge and Biden is appointing tons of public defenders as judges which is novel and great. Also the democrats lose all their committees and such without 50 senators so would be years of Republican Biden/Benghazi or corruption "investigations" special committees etc. etc.. Real problem is the losses in other states that make him and Sinema matter so much imo

This is all happening after the midterms, which in large part will be the responsibility of Manchinema. This isn’t even a progressives vs moderates issue, nobody is more moderate than Brandon, this is straight up sabotage.

All I’m saying is that the Democratic Party needs to stop falling for bullshitters like these two. If they want to go at it without the party backing, that’s fine, but stop feeding that beast.

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This is all happening after the midterms, which in large part will be the responsibility of Manchinema. This isn’t even a progressives vs moderates issue, nobody is more moderate than Brandon, this is straight up sabotage.

All I’m saying is that the Democratic Party needs to stop falling for bullshitters like these two. If they want to go at it without the party backing, that’s fine, but stop feeding that beast.

That's a crock of shit, El.

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Coal Workers Are Livid With Sen. Manchin, Let Him Know He's Turning His Back On Them

the United Mine Workers are telling him it’s time he work for them and support this bill

"We urge Senator Manchin to revisit his opposition to this legislation and work with his colleagues to

pass something that will help keep coal miners working, and have a meaningful impact on our members, their families and their communities,”

Build Back Better, for example, includes several tax incentives—which Manchin's Big Coal donors are fighting—to encourage manufacturers to build new facilities at the coal site and hire unemployed miners.

Manchin's opposition means “the potential for those jobs is significantly threatened,”

they also believe in voting rights--a provision in BBB--and want him to get on board with that as well.

“I also want to reiterate our support for the passage of voting rights legislation as soon as possible, and

strongly encourage Senator Manchin and every other Senator to be prepared to do whatever it takes to accomplish that,” Roberts said (https://umwa.org/news-media/press/umwa-statement-on-build-back-better-legislation/)in the statement.

“Anti-democracy legislators and their allies are working every day to roll back the right to vote in America.

Failure by the Senate to stand up to that is unacceptable and a dereliction of their duty to the Constitution.”


https://www.nationalmemo.com/coal-workers-joe-manchin

Coal good now.

[CosmicCowboy]

I agree that our military spending is grotesque. China is doing the same thing to us we did to USSR with star wars...make competing by overspending on the military eventually break us.

[ElNono]

That's a crock of shit, El.

Of course he is. He bent the knee on everything that passed, to the point that GOP políticos that voted against his shit are now trying to take credit for it.

[Extra Stout]

Manchin needs to make it official and switch parties, tbh… I’m not sure the party is better served with the ‘we need him’ short term, if it means continuous damage longer term. This is a person that has fundamental disagreements with the party platform and policies as a whole, there’s no way forward with him and he doesn’t have the national clout to reform the Democratic Party around what he thinks.
Hasn’t Biden gotten something like 40 judges confirmed?
And hasn’t Manchin, for as much as the left hates him, proposed $1.8 trillion more in social spending than could be hoped for if McConnell were majority leader?
Frankly, I don’t understand this all-or-nothing approach from progressives when they have absolutely no leverage. They cannot socially shame Joe Manchin. He’s a rich hillbilly from West Fucking Virginia.
Is that what this is? Is this about the rich white progressive donor class feeling loathe to bend the knee to a WV hillbilly they think is beneath them? Better to blow up BBB entirely than endure that loss of status?

[Extra Stout]

I agree that our military spending is grotesque. China is doing the same thing to us we did to USSR with star wars...make competing by overspending on the military eventually break us.
We still spend several multiples what China does. It’s just that the Armed Forces have reached a level of slovenly corruption, graft, and waste that would make a Habsburg blush.

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We still spend several multiples what China does. It’s just that the Armed Forces have reached a level of slovenly corruption, graft, and waste that would make a Habsburg blush.

Lay off till I can get my youngest son thru the Marines with his 20 year pension. Need 7 more years.

[Extra Stout]

This is all happening after the midterms, which in large part will be the responsibility of Manchinema. This isn’t even a progressives vs moderates issue, nobody is more moderate than Brandon, this is straight up sabotage.

All I’m saying is that the Democratic Party needs to stop falling for bullshitters like these two. If they want to go at it without the party backing, that’s fine, but stop feeding that beast.
There’s a good 8 Senators or so with the same general views as Manchin and Sinema. Those two agree to take the heat because:
1) Progressive hatred on balance helps them get elected in their states
2) If it were widely understood that there were 8-10 more where Manchin and Sinema came from, progressives might walk away from the Democratic Party in favor of Trotskyism.

[ElNono]

Hasn’t Biden gotten something like 40 judges confirmed?
And hasn’t Manchin, for as much as the left hates him, proposed $1.8 trillion more in social spending than could be hoped for if McConnell were majority leader?
Frankly, I don’t understand this all-or-nothing approach from progressives when they have absolutely no leverage. They cannot socially shame Joe Manchin. He’s a rich hillbilly from West Fucking Virginia.
Is that what this is? Is this about the rich white progressive donor class feeling loathe to bend the knee to a WV hillbilly they think is beneath them? Better to blow up BBB entirely than endure that loss of status?

The progressive side doesn’t even like Biden, forget about Manchin. The real question is how far right are you willing to politically marry in order to obtain power that you can’t actually use. This isn’t new either, we all remember the blue dog coalition and the like. This isn’t about socially shunning Manchin or Sinema, but whether it’s in the best interest of the DNC to continue to foot the bill for their re-elections long term.

[ElNono]

Also, when you have a two party system like we do, it’s very much red or blue, and in a sense all or nothing. You’re either helping or in the way. I didn’t create this system, it’s the system we have. Generally I wouldn’t give two fucks, because the red team has been just as useless, but with Il Duce wannabe waiting in the wings, I was expecting that there would be more urgency to ensure this administration doesn’t completely fails…

[BackHome]

It’s election time so people are going to look for their own interest - A lot of people barely won and with Brandon sinking poll numbers you will see more and more dems either distance themselves from him or outright going against him. He had the Presidency, Congress, and the Senate and they had one year to get stuff done and they didn’t. The Republicans will win back both the House and Senate in 2022 and 2024 will be another crazy year

[SnakeBoy]

A few days before Christmas, Joe Manchin appeared on Fox News to publicly retract his support for the Build Back Better Act. Even by the pathologically callous standards of Washington, it felt surreal to watch a politician jeopardize tens of millions of lives in a single 10-minute interview. But the stakes of his decision remain clear: without the act, the United States will fall far short of its climate goals, making a century of ecological collapse, economic devastation and civilizational upheaval not only more likely, but increasingly unavoidable.

In the wake of the announcement, despair flickered across the internet. Friends called me in tears. My generation has watched our government fail again and again to enact meaningful federal climate legislation. But this latest betrayal is almost too much to bear. It feels like we are being forced to say goodbye: to our democracy, to our future, to the world we were told we'd inherit.

If Build Back Better fails, Manchin may well be remembered as the man who killed the planet. Given the prospect of having to one day explain to his grandchildren why they can't go outside in the summer, you think he'd at least attempt to marshal some plausible justifications. But his arguments collapse under the lightest scrutiny. His inflation fears have been thoroughly debunked, including by Larry Summers, the patron saint of inflation anxiety. His climate arguments are fundamentally unserious, anti-science propaganda copied straight from the big coal playbook....
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/05/joe-biden-manchin-build-back-better

[DMC]

A few days before Christmas, Joe Manchin appeared on Fox News to publicly retract his support for the Build Back Better Act. Even by the pathologically callous standards of Washington, it felt surreal to watch a politician jeopardize tens of millions of lives in a single 10-minute interview. But the stakes of his decision remain clear: without the act, the United States will fall far short of its climate goals, making a century of ecological collapse, economic devastation and civilizational upheaval not only more likely, but increasingly unavoidable.

In the wake of the announcement, despair flickered across the internet. Friends called me in tears. My generation has watched our government fail again and again to enact meaningful federal climate legislation. But this latest betrayal is almost too much to bear. It feels like we are being forced to say goodbye: to our democracy, to our future, to the world we were told we'd inherit.

If Build Back Better fails, Manchin may well be remembered as the man who killed the planet. Given the prospect of having to one day explain to his grandchildren why they can't go outside in the summer, you think he'd at least attempt to marshal some plausible justifications. But his arguments collapse under the lightest scrutiny. His inflation fears have been thoroughly debunked, including by Larry Summers, the patron saint of inflation anxiety. His climate arguments are fundamentally unserious, anti-science propaganda copied straight from the big coal playbook....
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/05/joe-biden-manchin-build-back-better

Reads like a certain frequent poster aka night manager here wrote that shit :lol

[Isitjustme?]

Hasn’t Biden gotten something like 40 judges confirmed?
And hasn’t Manchin, for as much as the left hates him, proposed $1.8 trillion more in social spending than could be hoped for if McConnell were majority leader?
Frankly, I don’t understand this all-or-nothing approach from progressives when they have absolutely no leverage. They cannot socially shame Joe Manchin. He’s a rich hillbilly from West Fucking Virginia.
Is that what this is? Is this about the rich white progressive donor class feeling loathe to bend the knee to a WV hillbilly they think is beneath them? Better to blow up BBB entirely than endure that loss of status?

They are coming back to BBB end of January supposedly. At which point if it doesn't pass to progressives Biden is a piece of shit who never wanted to pass and if it does pass they will alternately take credit for it or say that it's not enough. Or they will say both things at the same time.

[boutons_deux]

They are coming back to BBB end of January supposedly. At which point if it doesn't pass to progressives Biden is a piece of shit who never wanted to pass and if it does pass they will alternately take credit for it or say that it's not enough. Or they will say both things at the same time.

Being obstructed by POS Manchin/Sinema does not define Biden, apparently an omnipotent king for you, is a POS.

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Being obstructed by POS Manchin/Sinema does not define Biden, apparently an omnipotent king for you, is a POS.

...his COVID Death Count at 453,612 (& counting, bouts) is a more profound definition I agree.

Let us proceed...

[koriwhat]

Being obstructed by POS Manchin/Sinema does not define Biden, apparently an omnipotent king for you, is a POS.

:lmao It's hilarious watching you lose your mind more and more by the day over the dumbest of shit and lies by the commies in the WH.

[boutons_deux]

'Operating in Bad Faith':

Manchin Reportedly No Longer Supports His Own BBB Counteroffer

"does not currently support" passing even his own recent $1.8 trillion counteroffer to President Joe Biden's Build Back Better agenda.

"if you were a fossil fuel lobbyist and

had to construct an ideal strategy not only to kill BBB

but to gum up the works for as long as possible

it would look a lot like what Manchin has been doing."

a lobbyist for fossil fuel giant ExxonMobil said of Manchin, "I talk to his office every week."

confirmed (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/manchin-says-no-negotiations-works-white-house-build-back-better-n1286945) Tuesday that he is not currently talking with the White House about the package, telling reporters that "there is no negotiation going on at this time."

he is not interested in approving legislation resembling Biden's Build Back Better package and that Democrats should fundamentally rethink their approach."

"Senior Democrats say they do not believe Manchin would support his offer even if the White House tried adopting it in full

Manchin's offer "may no longer be on the table,"

Jake Sherman of Punchbowl News tweeted (https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1479823073406820356) that

"it's definitely not."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/01/08/operating-bad-faith-manchin-reportedly-no-longer-supports-his-own-bbb-counteroffer

Fuck you, Manchin, and FUCK THE CONSTITUTION

[CosmicCowboy]

Poor Boo isn't gonna get his free shit.:cry

[koriwhat]

Poor Boo isn't gonna get his free shit.:cry

Hopefully Bouts gets his free swift kick in the ass out of the good ol' US of A!

[koriwhat]

Fuck their Broke Back Bolshevik plans!

[Winehole23]

Chutzpah

1488868380333461508

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...his COVID Death Count at 453,612 (& counting, bouts) is a more profound definition I agree.

Let us proceed...

Sweet Jesus, "3 Weeks Ago" Biden's COVID Death Count was at 453,612...

3 Weeks Later it's 514,000...Ruh, roh!!!

That's 60,000 Americans dead of the COVID in the 3 week interim.

& counting, kids.

[Winehole23]

Pelosi and the dem leadership is pushing for a vote on the infrastructure bill. the progressives in the house trying to tank it should be ashamed tbhaged like fine milk.

the progressives ended up playing ball and the moderates tanked Biden's entire legislative agenda by delinking the two and refusing to compromise on either part.

[Winehole23]

Severing BIF from BBB not only tanked BBB, it saddled all Dems with the expiration of the CTC and looming premium hikes that will hit right before the electionwhat strategery

[spurraider21]

aged like fine milk.

the progressives ended up playing ball and the moderates tanked Biden's entire legislative agenda by delinking the two and refusing to compromise on either part.
you still think sinemanchin would have budged on BBB? :lol

is it your impression that the populace is mad an manchin? his approval ratings have gone up quite a bit since the start of the biden administration. i'm not saying i agree with his position, i dont. but you are mistaken if you think that holding up infrastructure would have pressured him at all. he is doing what his constituents seem to approve, and he's only gotten more emboldened due to his increasing popularity.

its a good thing they at least got infrastructure passed. with your plan we wouldnt have gotten even that

[Winehole23]

you still think sinemanchin would have budged on BBB? :lol

its a good thing they at least got infrastructure passed. with your plan we wouldnt have gotten even thatspeculative, my point remains that centrists tanked Biden, not the progressives

[spurraider21]

speculative, my point remains that centrists tanked Biden, not the progressives
obviously. you think ive been cheering on sinemanchin? their holding up BBB was awful.

but i dont see how tanking infrastructure would have helped anything at all.

[Winehole23]

congrats on the plussed up highway bill, that's quite the triumph, sure it'll come in handy for midterms

[spurraider21]

congrats on the plussed up highway bill, that's quite the triumph, sure it'll come in handy for midterms
its preferable to the alternative of... nothing

this is like bernie or bust discussions all over again.

[Winehole23]

its preferable to the alternative of... nothing.Speculative, I know, but making a bold stand and fighting for stuff people really care and demonizing crazy Republicans and centrists who caucus with them about might have been worth more to the Dems in this election cycle. Getting more power is clearly necessary to get shit done and block Republican fascists, incremental minimalism is a turn off, tbh.

[spurraider21]

if democrats want to pass a more ambitious agenda, they need more seats in the senate. mccain tanked trump's obamacare repeal effort. sinemanchin have tanked biden's BBB effort.

the delusion is thinking sinemanchin would have been swayed by also holding that bill up. i dno about sinema, but manchin was pretty clear with his demands. he wanted BBB to be paid for. the bill, as written "technically" was paid for, but only because of somewhat dishonest accounting. it was going to ramp the deficit short term, and then was supposed to "pay for itself later"... the problem being, that the math only worked if many of the major benefits in BBB were temporary and cut off after 1, 3, or 6 years, but paid for in the aggregate of a 10 year tax hike, when its pretty plain that those programs would eventually be expected to be renewed or made permanent. manchin said he wanted the bill to be paid for as it went, not paid for 5 years after the spending is "scheduled" to end

im not saying i agree with manchin's position. im just laying it out. you really think he would have thrown all that out the window... a position which has made him more popular and more likely for re-election, at the risk of holding up an infrastructure bill?

[spurraider21]

Speculative, I know, but making a bold stand and fighting for stuff people really care and demonizing crazy Republicans and centrists who caucus with them about might have been worth more to the Dems in this election cycle. Getting more power is clearly necessary to get shit done and block Republican fascists, incremental minimalism is a turn off, tbh.
more likely it just proves that dems cant govern when you give them the white house and congress, and all they want to do is whine. you are worried about rhetoric which might win further seats while looking past the people who need to have a record to run on when seeking re-election just to maintain the current numbers

[Winehole23]

more likely it just proves that dems cant govern when you give them the white house and congress, and all they want to do is whine. you are worried about rhetoric which might win further seats while looking past the people who need to have a record to run on when seeking re-election just to maintain the current numbersA plussed up highway bill ain't getting anyone over the finish line, it's arguably worse than doing nothing. The achievement underscores the puniness of the Democrats. Grandstanding and screaming might actually have been better, politically.

[spurraider21]

A plussed up highway bill ain't getting anyone over the finish line, it's arguably worse than doing nothing. The achievement underscores the puniness of the Democrats. Grandstanding and screaming might actually have been better, politically.
it was a 1.2 trillion dollar bill with 550 mil in new spending. about 110 mil of that of that going to roads/highways etc. brushing it off as a highway bill is disingenuous. rail, broadband, water infrastructure, grid upgrades, EV charging ports, airports, ports, etc

[Winehole23]

it was a 1.2 trillion dollar bill with 550 mil in new spending. about 110 mil of that of that going to roads/highways etc. brushing it off as a highway bill is disingenuous. rail, broadband, water infrastructure, grid upgrades, EV charging ports, airports, ports, etcobjectively true, but wonky shit like that doesn't connect with voters. it makes the Dems look puny to have done that and little else. it's a net loss.

[spurraider21]

objectively true, but wonky shit like that doesn't connect with voters. it makes the Dems look puny to have done that and little else. it's a net loss.
the wonky shit is doing their bidding for them by dismissing it as a highway bill

[Winehole23]

the wonky shit is doing their bidding for them by dismissing it as a highway billdoing whose bidding? :lol

compared to to what was promised it's a pittance. just pitiful.

[spurraider21]

doing whose bidding? :lol

compared to to what was promised it's a pittance. just pitiful.
people trying to get less democrats in office

[Winehole23]

people trying to get less democrats in officethat's what you moderate incrementalists are doing by coddling centrists and squishy republicans who were never going to deliver the goods.

it won't work. at some point Democrats are going to have to throw some sharp elbows and stand up for people against fascist Republicans and Dems who caucus with them.

[spurraider21]

that's what you moderate incrementalists are doing by coddling centrists and squishy republicans who were never going to deliver the goods.

it won't work. at some point Democrats are going to have to throw some sharp elbows and stand up for people against fascist Republicans and Dems who caucus with them.
so its better to do nothing and flail angrily instead of doing at least something. this is bernie or bust all over again

[Winehole23]

so its better to do nothing and flail angrily instead of doing at least something. this is bernie or bust all over againI don't think so, it's objectively a different point in history.

USA post-Trump=/= USA pre-Trump

[spurraider21]

I don't think so, it's objectively a different point in history.

USA post-Trump=/= USA pre-Trump
trump is likely going to be the nominee again and even more dangerous. last thing dems need to be focusing on is demonizing their own

[Winehole23]

trump is likely going to be the nominee again and even more dangerous. last thing dems need to be focusing on is demonizing their owncontinue to coddle Manchinema while they prevent the Dems from doing anything.

sounds like a winning message.

[spurraider21]

continue to coddle Manchinema while they prevent the Dems from doing anything.

sounds like a winning message.
:lol "coddle"

its pragmatism. the dems have 50 seats in the senate but 2 of them are "dems". theyre not going to magically become berniebros just because you threaten to hold up another bill that they already werent too enthusiastic over to begin with

[Winehole23]

:lol "coddle"

its pragmatism. the dems have 50 seats in the senate but 2 of them are "dems". theyre not going to magically become berniebros just because you threaten to hold up another bill that they already werent too enthusiastic over to begin withnever said they would be converted, but it seems the Dems are fearful to offend them or use party leverage against them in any way. hard to see how this improves their chances in the upcoming election, it underscores their tendency of being more or less completely unwilling to use their power to fight for good shit.