O'Connor: Spurs Reject Sixers Offer for Simmons

[Joseph Kony]

He mentioned it in the mismatch podcast


Spurs turned down a Sixers offer that would have sent them Simmons. Philly wanted back four first round picks, three first round pick swaps, and a young player in return.

https://streamable.com/3nwbrt

4 1sts, and 3 pick swaps for Simmons?? :lol Morey is outta his fucking mind

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Seems like Morey's calling all teams and offering ridiculous things just to gauge the interest. There was a rumored crazy Toronto offer recently as well.

There's no way he trades Simmons for a picks package, he'll want a star in return or at the very least a couple of starter level players who can help Philly contend.

[The Truth #6]

That’s reassuring to hear that there has been a discussion. It was a ridiculous discussion, and now we can all move on.

Let them sit and stew and realize what a disaster training camp will be when Simmons shows up, still on the team. Their next season will likely be, at least, complicated by this ongoing issue. If he sits Simmons that will be even more interesting.

[Degoat]

Not gonna lie…. I know the spurs are getting fleeced in that deal but I wouldn’t mind it tbh lol we need a franchise guy to build around bad

[Leetonidas]

Not gonna lie…. I know the spurs are getting fleeced in that deal but I wouldn’t mind it tbh lol we need a franchise guy to build around bad

We do but it sure as hell ain't Ben Simmons diva ass

[The Truth #6]

How do you build around Simmons in a small market without at least the option of the draft.

[Degoat]

How do you build around Simmons in a small market without at least the option of the draft.

you get creative lol we already have a ton of young players but I know what your saying

[lmbebo]

*desperate*

[CGD]

I think it's noteworthy that some of the details of the offer are coming out (here and Raptors deal). Feels like part of what Morey is doing here is trying to show his own guys (ownership, etc.) that there simply isnt the market they think there is for Simmons.

[spurspl]

this offer is even more ridiculous than raptors one

[The Truth #6]

I think it's noteworthy that some of the details of the offer are coming out (here and Raptors deal). Feels like part of what Morey is doing here is trying to show his own guys (ownership, etc.) that there simply isnt the market they think there is for Simmons.

Good point. Leaking is often with a motive.

[DPG21920]

He mentioned it in the mismatch podcast



https://streamable.com/3nwbrt

4 1sts, and 3 pick swaps for Simmons?? :lol Morey is outta his fucking mind

You mind if I tweet this out?

[baseline bum]

Not gonna lie…. I know the spurs are getting fleeced in that deal but I wouldn’t mind it tbh lol we need a franchise guy to build around bad

We'd still need a franchise guy but wouldn't have a decent draft pick for 7 years. No thanks.

[poopbox]

Not gonna lie…. I know the spurs are getting fleeced in that deal but I wouldn’t mind it tbh lol we need a franchise guy to build around bad

Simmons has proven every year of his nba career that he IS NOT a franchise guy.

[Degoat]

Simmons has proven every year of his nba career that he IS NOT a franchise guy.

I think the 76ers haven’t helped tho, small sample size but when Emiid missed a lot of games one year the 76ers were successful with Ben as the number guy surrounded by shooters

[TheChillFactor]

Imagine giving all that ahit up for a guy that wouldnt dunk on Trae Young.

[EricB]

Not gonna lie…. I know the spurs are getting fleeced in that deal but I wouldn’t mind it tbh lol we need a franchise guy to build around bad


shame Simmons isnt one

[EricB]

Not gonna lie…. I know the spurs are getting fleeced in that deal but I wouldn’t mind it tbh lol we need a franchise guy to build around bad


shame Simmons isnt one

[SpurSpike]

Saw this comment on a pounding the rock thread...

From Joshua Munn on youtube, take it with a grain of salt

From what I’m hearing from my source: Lakers, Spurs, Wizards, Warriors, Raptors and 76ers are all in talks for possibly the biggest trade in NBA history the ultimate game changer where the Lakers and Warriors become superteams receiving DeMar DeRozen who may sign the MLE if the Spurs don’t agree to the deal. But they’re agreeing to terms right now to receive a few players they want Beal but are settled on Ben Simmons. Kelly Oubre and Kyle Kuzma and Montrezl Harrell most likely or the Spurs who would get possibly Kelly Oubre or Andrew Wiggins, Kyle Kuzma, Montrezl Harrell, THT, Alfonso McKinnie in a sign and trade, all of these in sign and trades.

Trezz only agreed to opt in to be traded to either the Spurs or Raptors along with Dennis Schroder, KCP is now on the chopping block and so is Marc Gasol because the Raptors want him back to take Schroder and Talen Horton Tucker. The plan is Russell Westbrook has been in communication with LeBron that he wants to be a Laker whatever the cost. LeBron tells him that they are looking to put Kyle Lowry, DeMar DeRozen via sign and trades and Spencer Dinwiddie for the MLE on the team but now Dinwiddie currently is thinking of taking a veteran minimum deal to play with this crazy line up proposed by Russell Westbrook.

LeBron who after his current deal expires plans to re-sign a 3-4 year deal with the Lakers with Davis signing 3+1 deal as well with the Lakers with DeRozen if they can get Westbrook and Lowry via sign and trades that I just mentioned a few sentences ago and Pelinka and Jeanie think they can pull this off and Jeanie is creaming herself over all this: DeRozen taking significantly less money this year the MLE to sign and ring guaranteed chase in a starting line-up after a possible six team trade one of the team’s not mentioned including the 76ers who would send Ben Simmons to either the Spurs or Warriors, Spurs are more likely.

While the Lakers next season have a starting line-up of LeBron, AD, DeRozen who would re-sign in the off-season a 5 year max after taking the MLE this season, Russell Westbrook and Kyle Lowry who would spend the rest of their careers in L.A. signing 4-7 year deals respectively (Lowry signs 4 and after Russ’s 2 years are up he signs 5). Dinwiddie if the Lakers pull this off will take the veteran minimum and be the second option PG, Russ would play SG, DeRozen would play SF, LeBron would be PF, Davis is willing to play C with Cousins as the secondary. If the Lakers can only get 2/3 players especially only Lowry and DeRozen then Dinwiddie takes the MLE himself only saving it for DeRozen.

[Mr. Body]

Not gonna lie…. I know the spurs are getting fleeced in that deal but I wouldn’t mind it tbh lol we need a franchise guy to build around bad

Who's the franchise guy to build around?

[8sy21vd]

Derozan (S&T) + Murray + Walker for Simmons and Hill's contract. Then sign Lauri to space the floor.

G-White
G-Vassell
F-Simmons
F-Markkanen
C-Poetl

Three guys who can shoot the 3 in volumes + four guys who can defend. KJ off the bench as the 6th man can play multiple positions and bring the energy with Luka, Gorgui, T. Jones, Bates-Diop and the #12 pick.

Who am I kidding...more likely we start the season:

G-DJ
G-Walker (White on injury list)
F-Derozan
F-KJ
C-Poetl

lol...same old same old

[NASpurs]

After the Demarre Carroll fiasco, I wouldn’t had been surprised if Brian Wrong had to be held back from pulling the trigger on this.

[MultiTroll]

Good point. Leaking is often with a motive.
Should Spurs have countered with some equally ridiculous offer?

I'd like to see that.

[cd98]

He mentioned it in the mismatch podcast



https://streamable.com/3nwbrt

4 1sts, and 3 pick swaps for Simmons?? :lol Morey is outta his fucking mind

Honestly I doubt this is a real offer of any kind. Philly isn't going to waste a Simmons trade to get a non-All Star that wastes Embid's prime years. They are in win now mode and draft picks are win in 3-4 years if you even draft right and develop. If they are trading with the Spurs, it is for a package of like DDR, White/DJ, and one other young guy.

[daslicer]

Saw this comment on a pounding the rock thread...

From Joshua Munn on youtube, take it with a grain of salt

From what I’m hearing from my source: Lakers, Spurs, Wizards, Warriors, Raptors and 76ers are all in talks for possibly the biggest trade in NBA history the ultimate game changer where the Lakers and Warriors become superteams receiving DeMar DeRozen who may sign the MLE if the Spurs don’t agree to the deal. But they’re agreeing to terms right now to receive a few players they want Beal but are settled on Ben Simmons. Kelly Oubre and Kyle Kuzma and Montrezl Harrell most likely or the Spurs who would get possibly Kelly Oubre or Andrew Wiggins, Kyle Kuzma, Montrezl Harrell, THT, Alfonso McKinnie in a sign and trade, all of these in sign and trades.

Trezz only agreed to opt in to be traded to either the Spurs or Raptors along with Dennis Schroder, KCP is now on the chopping block and so is Marc Gasol because the Raptors want him back to take Schroder and Talen Horton Tucker. The plan is Russell Westbrook has been in communication with LeBron that he wants to be a Laker whatever the cost. LeBron tells him that they are looking to put Kyle Lowry, DeMar DeRozen via sign and trades and Spencer Dinwiddie for the MLE on the team but now Dinwiddie currently is thinking of taking a veteran minimum deal to play with this crazy line up proposed by Russell Westbrook.

LeBron who after his current deal expires plans to re-sign a 3-4 year deal with the Lakers with Davis signing 3+1 deal as well with the Lakers with DeRozen if they can get Westbrook and Lowry via sign and trades that I just mentioned a few sentences ago and Pelinka and Jeanie think they can pull this off and Jeanie is creaming herself over all this: DeRozen taking significantly less money this year the MLE to sign and ring guaranteed chase in a starting line-up after a possible six team trade one of the team’s not mentioned including the 76ers who would send Ben Simmons to either the Spurs or Warriors, Spurs are more likely.

While the Lakers next season have a starting line-up of LeBron, AD, DeRozen who would re-sign in the off-season a 5 year max after taking the MLE this season, Russell Westbrook and Kyle Lowry who would spend the rest of their careers in L.A. signing 4-7 year deals respectively (Lowry signs 4 and after Russ’s 2 years are up he signs 5). Dinwiddie if the Lakers pull this off will take the veteran minimum and be the second option PG, Russ would play SG, DeRozen would play SF, LeBron would be PF, Davis is willing to play C with Cousins as the secondary. If the Lakers can only get 2/3 players especially only Lowry and DeRozen then Dinwiddie takes the MLE himself only saving it for DeRozen.

So basically the Lakers could end up with Derozan and Westbrook. That is a weird team in the sense that both Derozan and Westbrook can't shoot 3's so the spacing on that team would be terrible.

[Leetonidas]

Saw this comment on a pounding the rock thread...

From Joshua Munn on youtube, take it with a grain of salt

From what I’m hearing from my source: Lakers, Spurs, Wizards, Warriors, Raptors and 76ers are all in talks for possibly the biggest trade in NBA history the ultimate game changer where the Lakers and Warriors become superteams receiving DeMar DeRozen who may sign the MLE if the Spurs don’t agree to the deal. But they’re agreeing to terms right now to receive a few players they want Beal but are settled on Ben Simmons. Kelly Oubre and Kyle Kuzma and Montrezl Harrell most likely or the Spurs who would get possibly Kelly Oubre or Andrew Wiggins, Kyle Kuzma, Montrezl Harrell, THT, Alfonso McKinnie in a sign and trade, all of these in sign and trades.

Trezz only agreed to opt in to be traded to either the Spurs or Raptors along with Dennis Schroder, KCP is now on the chopping block and so is Marc Gasol because the Raptors want him back to take Schroder and Talen Horton Tucker. The plan is Russell Westbrook has been in communication with LeBron that he wants to be a Laker whatever the cost. LeBron tells him that they are looking to put Kyle Lowry, DeMar DeRozen via sign and trades and Spencer Dinwiddie for the MLE on the team but now Dinwiddie currently is thinking of taking a veteran minimum deal to play with this crazy line up proposed by Russell Westbrook.

LeBron who after his current deal expires plans to re-sign a 3-4 year deal with the Lakers with Davis signing 3+1 deal as well with the Lakers with DeRozen if they can get Westbrook and Lowry via sign and trades that I just mentioned a few sentences ago and Pelinka and Jeanie think they can pull this off and Jeanie is creaming herself over all this: DeRozen taking significantly less money this year the MLE to sign and ring guaranteed chase in a starting line-up after a possible six team trade one of the team’s not mentioned including the 76ers who would send Ben Simmons to either the Spurs or Warriors, Spurs are more likely.

While the Lakers next season have a starting line-up of LeBron, AD, DeRozen who would re-sign in the off-season a 5 year max after taking the MLE this season, Russell Westbrook and Kyle Lowry who would spend the rest of their careers in L.A. signing 4-7 year deals respectively (Lowry signs 4 and after Russ’s 2 years are up he signs 5). Dinwiddie if the Lakers pull this off will take the veteran minimum and be the second option PG, Russ would play SG, DeRozen would play SF, LeBron would be PF, Davis is willing to play C with Cousins as the secondary. If the Lakers can only get 2/3 players especially only Lowry and DeRozen then Dinwiddie takes the MLE himself only saving it for DeRozen.

The amount of moving parts makes this seem kinda ridiculous, but interesting to speculate nonetheless. scenario is kinda confusing though:


But they’re agreeing to terms right now to receive a few players they want Beal but are settled on Ben Simmons. Kelly Oubre and Kyle Kuzma and Montrezl Harrell most likely or the Spurs who would get possibly Kelly Oubre or Andrew Wiggins, Kyle Kuzma, Montrezl Harrell, THT, Alfonso McKinnie in a sign and trade, all of these in sign and trades.


so who is "they" as in who wants beal but settled on simmons? and for a trade this large and this much incoming salary it couldn't be for just Demar.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Getting Simmons is like getting Demar, if not worse. This lesson has been taught already and hopefully it was learned.

Just fucking fully die off and go into the lottery a couple of times. Don't overpay for some quasi-star that would make us a .500 team at absolute best.

Glad we "missed" on Simmons.

[Leetonidas]

So basically the Lakers could end up with Derozan and Westbrook. That is a weird team in the sense that both Derozan and Westbrook can't shoot 3's so the spacing on that team would be terrible.

No one would be able to stop them on the inside though. Lakers fast break would be nuts, especially if AD sacks up and plays at the 5 exclusively

[ginobilized]

Saw this comment on a pounding the rock thread...

From Joshua Munn on youtube, take it with a grain of salt

From what I’m hearing from my source: Lakers, Spurs, Wizards, Warriors, Raptors and 76ers are all in talks for possibly the biggest trade in NBA history the ultimate game changer where the Lakers and Warriors become superteams receiving DeMar DeRozen who may sign the MLE if the Spurs don’t agree to the deal. But they’re agreeing to terms right now to receive a few players they want Beal but are settled on Ben Simmons. Kelly Oubre and Kyle Kuzma and Montrezl Harrell most likely or the Spurs who would get possibly Kelly Oubre or Andrew Wiggins, Kyle Kuzma, Montrezl Harrell, THT, Alfonso McKinnie in a sign and trade, all of these in sign and trades.

Trezz only agreed to opt in to be traded to either the Spurs or Raptors along with Dennis Schroder, KCP is now on the chopping block and so is Marc Gasol because the Raptors want him back to take Schroder and Talen Horton Tucker. The plan is Russell Westbrook has been in communication with LeBron that he wants to be a Laker whatever the cost. LeBron tells him that they are looking to put Kyle Lowry, DeMar DeRozen via sign and trades and Spencer Dinwiddie for the MLE on the team but now Dinwiddie currently is thinking of taking a veteran minimum deal to play with this crazy line up proposed by Russell Westbrook.

LeBron who after his current deal expires plans to re-sign a 3-4 year deal with the Lakers with Davis signing 3+1 deal as well with the Lakers with DeRozen if they can get Westbrook and Lowry via sign and trades that I just mentioned a few sentences ago and Pelinka and Jeanie think they can pull this off and Jeanie is creaming herself over all this: DeRozen taking significantly less money this year the MLE to sign and ring guaranteed chase in a starting line-up after a possible six team trade one of the team’s not mentioned including the 76ers who would send Ben Simmons to either the Spurs or Warriors, Spurs are more likely.

While the Lakers next season have a starting line-up of LeBron, AD, DeRozen who would re-sign in the off-season a 5 year max after taking the MLE this season, Russell Westbrook and Kyle Lowry who would spend the rest of their careers in L.A. signing 4-7 year deals respectively (Lowry signs 4 and after Russ’s 2 years are up he signs 5). Dinwiddie if the Lakers pull this off will take the veteran minimum and be the second option PG, Russ would play SG, DeRozen would play SF, LeBron would be PF, Davis is willing to play C with Cousins as the secondary. If the Lakers can only get 2/3 players especially only Lowry and DeRozen then Dinwiddie takes the MLE himself only saving it for DeRozen.

Hmmmm.......if this exact trade doesn't happen, I'm pretty sure some wildness ensues in the next 24hrs or so.
I'm ok with the general concept. I bet LeBron is pulling for DJ, too. All speculative, but, this might make the Spurs grab Mitchell.
That would be one helluva blockbuster.

[baseline bum]

No one would be able to stop them on the inside though. Lakers fast break would be nuts, especially if AD sacks up and plays at the 5 exclusively

Just zone those motherfuckers every possession

[R. DeMurre]

A lot of the problems Simmons has are mental, so I can't imagine an entire off season of trade rumors and proposals are going to help him very much. it's interesting how relentlessness and mental approach can lead to such hugely different results. People looking at Simmons now say you can't win with a non-shooter as your number one guy, but then look at Giannis and say he's a prime candidate for best player in the world. Giannis had huge free throw issues in these playoffs, but never let it stop him from doing everything that he wanted to do. In that last game that Simmons played, he was practically playing behind his defender to avoid receiving passes...

[gospursgojas]

Saw this comment on a pounding the rock thread...

From Joshua Munn on youtube, take it with a grain of salt

From what I’m hearing from my source: Lakers, Spurs, Wizards, Warriors, Raptors and 76ers are all in talks for possibly the biggest trade in NBA history the ultimate game changer where the Lakers and Warriors become superteams receiving DeMar DeRozen who may sign the MLE if the Spurs don’t agree to the deal. But they’re agreeing to terms right now to receive a few players they want Beal but are settled on Ben Simmons. Kelly Oubre and Kyle Kuzma and Montrezl Harrell most likely or the Spurs who would get possibly Kelly Oubre or Andrew Wiggins, Kyle Kuzma, Montrezl Harrell, THT, Alfonso McKinnie in a sign and trade, all of these in sign and trades.

Trezz only agreed to opt in to be traded to either the Spurs or Raptors along with Dennis Schroder, KCP is now on the chopping block and so is Marc Gasol because the Raptors want him back to take Schroder and Talen Horton Tucker. The plan is Russell Westbrook has been in communication with LeBron that he wants to be a Laker whatever the cost. LeBron tells him that they are looking to put Kyle Lowry, DeMar DeRozen via sign and trades and Spencer Dinwiddie for the MLE on the team but now Dinwiddie currently is thinking of taking a veteran minimum deal to play with this crazy line up proposed by Russell Westbrook.

LeBron who after his current deal expires plans to re-sign a 3-4 year deal with the Lakers with Davis signing 3+1 deal as well with the Lakers with DeRozen if they can get Westbrook and Lowry via sign and trades that I just mentioned a few sentences ago and Pelinka and Jeanie think they can pull this off and Jeanie is creaming herself over all this: DeRozen taking significantly less money this year the MLE to sign and ring guaranteed chase in a starting line-up after a possible six team trade one of the team’s not mentioned including the 76ers who would send Ben Simmons to either the Spurs or Warriors, Spurs are more likely.

While the Lakers next season have a starting line-up of LeBron, AD, DeRozen who would re-sign in the off-season a 5 year max after taking the MLE this season, Russell Westbrook and Kyle Lowry who would spend the rest of their careers in L.A. signing 4-7 year deals respectively (Lowry signs 4 and after Russ’s 2 years are up he signs 5). Dinwiddie if the Lakers pull this off will take the veteran minimum and be the second option PG, Russ would play SG, DeRozen would play SF, LeBron would be PF, Davis is willing to play C with Cousins as the secondary. If the Lakers can only get 2/3 players especially only Lowry and DeRozen then Dinwiddie takes the MLE himself only saving it for DeRozen.

Sounds like a Laker website bot creating an AI article. Very hard to read.

[cd98]

So basically the Lakers could end up with Derozan and Westbrook. That is a weird team in the sense that both Derozan and Westbrook can't shoot 3's so the spacing on that team would be terrible.


Not only that, but Lebron is the primary ball handler. What are those guys going to do while Lebron is dribbling for 15 seconds of the 24 second shot clock.

[td4mvp2k]

morey :lol

[Michael Jordan.]

Lol Morey. This shit is a pattern

[lmbebo]

That deal is sooo convoluted/complex...

[rjv]

Saw this comment on a pounding the rock thread...

From Joshua Munn on youtube, take it with a grain of salt

From what I’m hearing from my source: Lakers, Spurs, Wizards, Warriors, Raptors and 76ers are all in talks for possibly the biggest trade in NBA history the ultimate game changer where the Lakers and Warriors become superteams receiving DeMar DeRozen who may sign the MLE if the Spurs don’t agree to the deal. But they’re agreeing to terms right now to receive a few players they want Beal but are settled on Ben Simmons. Kelly Oubre and Kyle Kuzma and Montrezl Harrell most likely or the Spurs who would get possibly Kelly Oubre or Andrew Wiggins, Kyle Kuzma, Montrezl Harrell, THT, Alfonso McKinnie in a sign and trade, all of these in sign and trades.

Trezz only agreed to opt in to be traded to either the Spurs or Raptors along with Dennis Schroder, KCP is now on the chopping block and so is Marc Gasol because the Raptors want him back to take Schroder and Talen Horton Tucker. The plan is Russell Westbrook has been in communication with LeBron that he wants to be a Laker whatever the cost. LeBron tells him that they are looking to put Kyle Lowry, DeMar DeRozen via sign and trades and Spencer Dinwiddie for the MLE on the team but now Dinwiddie currently is thinking of taking a veteran minimum deal to play with this crazy line up proposed by Russell Westbrook.

LeBron who after his current deal expires plans to re-sign a 3-4 year deal with the Lakers with Davis signing 3+1 deal as well with the Lakers with DeRozen if they can get Westbrook and Lowry via sign and trades that I just mentioned a few sentences ago and Pelinka and Jeanie think they can pull this off and Jeanie is creaming herself over all this: DeRozen taking significantly less money this year the MLE to sign and ring guaranteed chase in a starting line-up after a possible six team trade one of the team’s not mentioned including the 76ers who would send Ben Simmons to either the Spurs or Warriors, Spurs are more likely.

While the Lakers next season have a starting line-up of LeBron, AD, DeRozen who would re-sign in the off-season a 5 year max after taking the MLE this season, Russell Westbrook and Kyle Lowry who would spend the rest of their careers in L.A. signing 4-7 year deals respectively (Lowry signs 4 and after Russ’s 2 years are up he signs 5). Dinwiddie if the Lakers pull this off will take the veteran minimum and be the second option PG, Russ would play SG, DeRozen would play SF, LeBron would be PF, Davis is willing to play C with Cousins as the secondary. If the Lakers can only get 2/3 players especially only Lowry and DeRozen then Dinwiddie takes the MLE himself only saving it for DeRozen.

this trade looks something like this:

https://memegenerator.net/img/images/15018746.jpg

[widowmaker]

Not gonna lie…. I know the spurs are getting fleeced in that deal but I wouldn’t mind it tbh lol we need a franchise guy to build around bad


What a dingbat.

[R. DeMurre]

Saw this comment on a pounding the rock thread...

From Joshua Munn on youtube, take it with a grain of salt


now Dinwiddie currently is thinking of taking a veteran minimum deal to play with this crazy line up proposed by Russell Westbrook.

.

:lol This would never happen.

[MoSpur02]

Simmons is not a franchise player unless all of a sudden he can start hitting close to 40% of three point shots he takes and even then I still don’t know if he is a franchise player. He’s a borderline All Star at best. If I’m the Spurs I would only trade for Simmons if DeRozan says he wants to go there. Then you can do a S&T deal involving Simmons so that you get something outta DeRozan leaving.

[poopbox]

I thought a Derozan Poeltl pick and roll was the most useless play in basketball since it involves a guard who won't ever shoot a 3 and a big who can barely dunk so both defenders are just going to retreat all the way to the rim without any fear of anything happening on offense. A Simmons Poeltl pick and roll, where Simmons is not a threat to shoot from anywhere...ever..might be the most useless play in basketball history

[slick'81]

Sixers are calling everyone and anyone trying to rid themselves of simmons. Maybe the price eventually goes down

[Joseph Kony]

You mind if I tweet this out?
:tu

[Joseph Kony]

Simmons is not a franchise player unless all of a sudden he can start hitting close to 40% of three point shots he takes and even then I still don’t know if he is a franchise player. He’s a borderline All Star at best. If I’m the Spurs I would only trade for Simmons if DeRozan says he wants to go there. Then you can do a S&T deal involving Simmons so that you get something outta DeRozan leaving.
would be chip englland's biggest test yet. though i think Simmons' shooting issues are purely mental. combine mental fragility and poor work ethic and i don't there's anyway this dude ever improves his shot

[cd98]

I think all of these "stories" are made up and have no basis in fact.

[RC_Drunkford]

That Lakers team would be hilarious to watch. Lowry/ Westbrook/ DeRozan/ LeBron/ AD
they would lose in the first round and implode as fast as the Nash/Dwight Howard/Kobe Lakers.

I want Simmons though, I got all the faith in Chip fixing his jumper but the Sixers asking price is way too high. Also don’t Trade DJ he‘s the best player on this team

[jjspur]

:lol This would never happen.
Agree. Some youtubers have waaaaaay too much time on their hands.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Sorry, but Simmons is far from a franchise player. That is a ridiculous ask for someone who is seriously overrated in this league. He mindset might prevent him from ever being "the guy" on any team. A fourth piece on a super-team? Certainly. But you don't hand the reins to, nor bet the farm on, Ben Simmons.

[Mugen]

Sorry, but Simmons is far from a franchise player. That is a ridiculous ask for someone who is seriously overrated in this league. He mindset might prevent him from ever being "the guy" on any team. A fourth piece on a super-team? Certainly. But you don't hand the reins to, nor bet the farm on, Ben Simmons.

I dont think he's overrated anymore tbh, secret's out :lol

[cjw]

This feels like it’s all Morey putting out offers he knows will be rejected quickly, and then leaking the ask to the press … “four firsts and three swaps”

He’s hoping a team comes in and says, “what about three firsts and two swaps?” … or something of that sort. Issue is with Embiid’s prime not lasting forever, they can’t wait that many years and hope to hit on draft picks. More likely an immediate contributing vet (top 30 guy) where salaries match + young prospect + pick(s).

[tonight...you]

I dont think he's overrated anymore tbh, secret's out :lol
True. At this pointed he's Rated.
Properly so.

[TD 21]

I don't know why fans take rumors like this seriously and get worked up over them.

Even if true, it's negotiation 101 to start unreasonably high, so when you inevitably come down to a more realistic level, you can pretend you made concessions.

He knows no team is giving up that much (even a starless, wannabe "competitive" one like this). He just wants to cast a wide net and let teams like the Raptors know he's not handing him to them.

[exstatic]

Simmons is not a franchise player unless all of a sudden he can start hitting close to 40% of three point shots he takes and even then I still don’t know if he is a franchise player. He’s a borderline All Star at best. If I’m the Spurs I would only trade for Simmons if DeRozan says he wants to go there. Then you can do a S&T deal involving Simmons so that you get something outta DeRozan leaving.

Actually, if he hit 35% at decent volume, like 4 per game, and got his FTs up to 70%, he’d be in the conversation for MVP. I mean, he has NO shot right now, and still gets to the rim and scores at a very efficient rate, AND he dishes out 8apg. If he shot 40% from 3, and 80% from the FT line, with his other skills and D, he’d be a shoo in HOF selection.

[tonight...you]

Actually, if he hit 35% at decent volume, like 4 per game, and got his FTs up to 70%, he’d be in the conversation for MVP. I mean, he has NO shot right now, and still gets to the rim and scores at a very efficient rate, AND he dishes out 8apg. If he shot 40% from 3, and 80% from the FT line, with his other skills and D, he’d be a shoo in HOF selection.
He'd be a taller Kawhi with better passing and playmaking skills, but still mentally soft as camembert.

[Mr. Body]

I don't know why fans take rumors like this seriously and get worked up over them.

Even if true, it's negotiation 101 to start unreasonably high, so when you inevitably come down to a more realistic level, you can pretend you made concessions.

He knows no team is giving up that much (even a starless, wannabe "competitive" one like this). He just wants to cast a wide net and let teams like the Raptors know he's not handing him to them.

There's starting high and then there's embarrassing yourself.

[TD 21]

There's starting high and then there's embarrassing yourself.

If it were anyone but the Spurs, I'd agree . . . but they are the team that just handed a player who defecated on them and a team that was stuck, an opportunity of being a Curry/Durant injury away from a tainted championship and unearned reputation by making the worst "trade" in history.

After that and various other absurd the moment they happened moves in recent years, they deserve to have the other 29 teams treat them like idiots.

[Chomag]

If Simmons was a player to build around I would encourage this deal, however Simmons is not. He's a decedent player to have to round out your stars though.

[Mr. Body]

If it were anyone but the Spurs, I'd agree . . . but they are the team that just handed a player who defecated on them and a team that was stuck, an opportunity of being a Curry/Durant injury away from a tainted championship and unearned reputation by making the worst "trade" in history.

After that and various other absurd the moment they happened moves in recent years, they deserve to have the other 29 teams treat them like idiots.

These seem like words, but I have no idea what you're trying to say.

[TD 21]

These seem like words, but I have no idea what you're trying to say.

:lmao Sure you don't, apologist.

[Chomag]

But yeah, I hope our FO just laughed as hard as they could on that call.

[Mr. Body]

:lmao Sure you don't, apologist.

No, seriously bro, it's just gibberish. Can you post again after you stop having a stroke?

[PhantomDashCam]

But yeah, I hope our FO just laughed as hard as they could on that call.


It was a video call apparently. You can hear Brian's name mentioned:

http://i.imgur.com/1Z6JhBw.gif

[R. DeMurre]

:lol

[Mugen]

I mean if there's a dumb enough FO out there to accept the deal, I'd definitely target the one that paid the Raptors to win a championship, signed Demarre Carroll, extended LMA for no reason, traded Bertans away for nothing, got cucked by Marcus Morris....

Shit on Morey all you want but he was fishing in the right spot tbh :lol

[Mr. Body]

I mean if there's a dumb enough FO out there to accept the deal, I'd definitely target the one that paid the Raptors to win a championship, signed Demarre Carroll, extended LMA for no reason, traded Bertans away for nothing, got cucked by Marcus Morris....

Shit on Morey all you want but he was fishing in the right spot tbh :lol

Damn, son, do you ever talk about anything else?

[Teamduncan21]

So basically the Lakers could end up with Derozan and Westbrook. That is a weird team in the sense that both Derozan and Westbrook can't shoot 3's so the spacing on that team would be terrible.

I don't know who munn is. But it sounds all over the place. Very much in line with Lakers fan scenarios where they basically wanna trade their crap for all star players they can get.

But assuming it's true, then that's great. Unless lebron carries. They're not gonna win with that weird ass lineup

[Mugen]

Damn, son, do you ever talk about anything else?

"Leave Pop and Brian alone"

:cry

[DMC]

Just putting pressure on Simmons. It's like quoting someone 40K to replace their dishwasher. If they go for it, you scored big. If they don't, good, you didn't want to replace a dishwasher.

[DMC]

I mean if there's a dumb enough FO out there to accept the deal, I'd definitely target the one that paid the Raptors to win a championship, signed Demarre Carroll, extended LMA for no reason, traded Bertans away for nothing, got cucked by Marcus Morris....

Shit on Morey all you want but he was fishing in the right spot tbh :lol

You didn't even mention 50 mills

[buttsR4rebounding]

Saw this comment on a pounding the rock thread...

From Joshua Munn on youtube, take it with a grain of salt

From what I’m hearing from my source: Lakers, Spurs, Wizards, Warriors, Raptors and 76ers are all in talks for possibly the biggest trade in NBA history the ultimate game changer where the Lakers and Warriors become superteams receiving DeMar DeRozen who may sign the MLE if the Spurs don’t agree to the deal. But they’re agreeing to terms right now to receive a few players they want Beal but are settled on Ben Simmons. Kelly Oubre and Kyle Kuzma and Montrezl Harrell most likely or the Spurs who would get possibly Kelly Oubre or Andrew Wiggins, Kyle Kuzma, Montrezl Harrell, THT, Alfonso McKinnie in a sign and trade, all of these in sign and trades.

Trezz only agreed to opt in to be traded to either the Spurs or Raptors along with Dennis Schroder, KCP is now on the chopping block and so is Marc Gasol because the Raptors want him back to take Schroder and Talen Horton Tucker. The plan is Russell Westbrook has been in communication with LeBron that he wants to be a Laker whatever the cost. LeBron tells him that they are looking to put Kyle Lowry, DeMar DeRozen via sign and trades and Spencer Dinwiddie for the MLE on the team but now Dinwiddie currently is thinking of taking a veteran minimum deal to play with this crazy line up proposed by Russell Westbrook.

LeBron who after his current deal expires plans to re-sign a 3-4 year deal with the Lakers with Davis signing 3+1 deal as well with the Lakers with DeRozen if they can get Westbrook and Lowry via sign and trades that I just mentioned a few sentences ago and Pelinka and Jeanie think they can pull this off and Jeanie is creaming herself over all this: DeRozen taking significantly less money this year the MLE to sign and ring guaranteed chase in a starting line-up after a possible six team trade one of the team’s not mentioned including the 76ers who would send Ben Simmons to either the Spurs or Warriors, Spurs are more likely.

While the Lakers next season have a starting line-up of LeBron, AD, DeRozen who would re-sign in the off-season a 5 year max after taking the MLE this season, Russell Westbrook and Kyle Lowry who would spend the rest of their careers in L.A. signing 4-7 year deals respectively (Lowry signs 4 and after Russ’s 2 years are up he signs 5). Dinwiddie if the Lakers pull this off will take the veteran minimum and be the second option PG, Russ would play SG, DeRozen would play SF, LeBron would be PF, Davis is willing to play C with Cousins as the secondary. If the Lakers can only get 2/3 players especially only Lowry and DeRozen then Dinwiddie takes the MLE himself only saving it for DeRozen.

You can’t sign a 1 year MLE. DDR isn’t signing a 3 year MLE contract.

[Chinook]

As I've said, Simmons would be far and away the best player on the Spurs' roster. They absolutely should do their due diligence and keep in contact with Morey to see if they can snag him for a good price (basically Murray, maybe Poeltl and sweeteners). Failing that, they should see if their cap space could be useful in a Simmons trade, as having a third team with cap space could help the principle traders get better packages ... for a fee, of course. It could be something small like taking back a bad player on an expiring contract and get a 28-for-41 swap in return. They shouldn't be making all-in trades with the roster they have, but they need to be active in these deals. Tank or no tank, there's no reason why they should be looking at their roster and think adding a couple of rookies is the only thing they should do as it relates to the draft.

[Chinook]

You can’t sign a 1 year MLE. DDR isn’t signing a 3 year MLE contract.

Yes you can sign a one-year MLE. You can't sign a one-year S&T. Of course the trade suggestion you're quoting is shit, especially for the Spurs if anyone's bothered to parse that mess. Also, one year of the MLE hardly helps get DeMar more money. He'd almost certainly prefer his next team having his Bird rights, so that's an S&T.

[baseline bum]

Shit on Morey all you want but he was fishing in the right spot tbh :lol

:lmao

[rascal]

Spurs should not trade draft picks. they will be in the lottery for the foreseeable future their best chance to improve the roster is through the draft.

[rascal]

As I've said, Simmons would be far and away the best player on the Spurs' roster. They absolutely should do their due diligence and keep in contact with Morey to see if they can snag him for a good price (basically Murray, maybe Poeltl and sweeteners). Failing that, they should see if their cap space could be useful in a Simmons trade, as having a third team with cap space could help the principle traders get better packages ... for a fee, of course. It could be something small like taking back a bad player on an expiring contract and get a 28-for-41 swap in return. They shouldn't be making all-in trades with the roster they have, but they need to be active in these deals. Tank or no tank, there's no reason why they should be looking at their roster and think adding a couple of rookies is the only thing they should do as it relates to the draft.

Murray and Poetl are garbage and overrated by Spur fans.

[slick'81]

At first i read the title as spurs reject six offers for simmons:wow

[DeRozan m8]

Hes not even worth 2 firsts...barely 1 tbh

Morey can go fuck Simmons and call it a day

[NASpurs]

:lol Jesus

Zach Harper of The Athletic offered (https://theathletic.com/2738332/2021/07/29/2021-nba-draft-two-round-mock-zach-harpers-alternative-picks-and-the-latest-hes-hearing-on-draft-day/?source=user_shared_article) a mock 2021 NBA Draft and mentioned the Cavs’ short pursuit of Simmons.


“League sources said brief conversations between Cleveland and Philadelphia were explored, but an asking price of every young player the Cavs value plus multiple first-round picks in the future wasn’t something they’d consider,” Harper wrote.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

:lol Jesus

Zach Harper of The Athletic offered (https://theathletic.com/2738332/2021/07/29/2021-nba-draft-two-round-mock-zach-harpers-alternative-picks-and-the-latest-hes-hearing-on-draft-day/?source=user_shared_article) a mock 2021 NBA Draft and mentioned the Cavs’ short pursuit of Simmons.




The Philly brass is delusional about their player’s value. They should post on Spurstalk.

[Mr. Body]

:lol Jesus

Zach Harper of The Athletic offered (https://theathletic.com/2738332/2021/07/29/2021-nba-draft-two-round-mock-zach-harpers-alternative-picks-and-the-latest-hes-hearing-on-draft-day/?source=user_shared_article) a mock 2021 NBA Draft and mentioned the Cavs’ short pursuit of Simmons.



There's something called a Dutch auction, where instead of bidding upward, the price starts high and then comes down. Whoever wants to buy it then calls and takes it at that price.

Except that's not what Morey is doing. He legitimately wants to piss off and amuse everyone in the NBA.

[spurraider21]

Hes not even worth 2 firsts...barely 1 tbh

Morey can go fuck Simmons and call it a day
I’d give 2 firsts plus anybody on our roster and not think twice

[k830713]

Spurs - Lakers: DeRozan - Kuzma, Harrell, pick 1rnd 21 Lakers
Spurs - 76ers: Poeltl, Keldon, Murray, pick 1rnd 21 Lakers, pick 1rnd 2023 Spurs - Simmons
Sign Collins 110/4 (Markanen 70/4), Sign, Oubry 70/4.
Mills 18/2, Dieng 12/2
Kispert - 12 pick

White, Mills, Jones
Simmons, Walker, Vassell
Oubry, Kispert
Kuzma, Harrell, Samanić
Collins, Dieng, Eubanks

[GreekSpursfan]

Obviously when you negotiate you start very high just so you won't have to fall too much because your offer will eventualy fall but this is absurd even for negotiating purposes. He's trying to find the dumbest GM in the league and maybe he will, there's always someone. Who would've thought that Draymond Green 2.0 would have a starting price that big.

[cd98]

:lol Jesus

Zach Harper of The Athletic offered (https://theathletic.com/2738332/2021/07/29/2021-nba-draft-two-round-mock-zach-harpers-alternative-picks-and-the-latest-hes-hearing-on-draft-day/?source=user_shared_article) a mock 2021 NBA Draft and mentioned the Cavs’ short pursuit of Simmons.



All the GMs that would make that trade are no longer in the league. https://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060224

[exstatic]

All the GMs that would make that trade are no longer in the league. https://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060224

Sadly, Wes Unseld was unable to make it after he accidentally traded his first-class Delta Airlines ticket to Houston for three Southwest Airlines tickets to Atlanta.

:lol Pure gold

[Mr. Body]

The latest is Morey wanted the Warriors to give him Wiggins, Wiseman, the #7, the #14, plus two future first round draft picks.

No idea what Morey is doing here.

[JeffDuncan]

The latest is Morey wanted the Warriors to give him Wiggins, Wiseman, the #7, the #14, plus two future first round draft picks.

No idea what Morey is doing here.



Sounds like he’s trying to set up an excuse - that he can tell the fans - to keep Simmons. “I tried everything with all the teams in the league but there weren’t any takers.” Are the 76er fans dumb enough to buy it?

[Kurik]

The latest is Morey wanted the Warriors to give him Wiggins, Wiseman, the #7, the #14, plus two future first round draft picks.

No idea what Morey is doing here.

That’s crazy, to be honest as GS I would consider Wiggins, Wiseman, and a first for Simmons but not anything more.

[cd98]

The latest is Morey wanted the Warriors to give him Wiggins, Wiseman, the #7, the #14, plus two future first round draft picks.

No idea what Morey is doing here.

This doesn't make sense to me as an actual trade demand. For one, Wiggins is a highly paid, inefficient player that is generally thought of as a bad contract trade in every scenario. Wiseman is questionable if he's any good, but certainly he is not worth much unless they either trade Embid or Embid gets injured. I guess he could start maybe 20 games a season that Embid takes off. And if you have Embid and you are in win now mode, why would you want to trade for two first rounders that would take 3-4 years to develop. That's basically wasting Embid's best years. The only trade that makes sense is getting a player on Simmon's level back. I could see if you could get a package of players that cumulatively help 76ers's depth. Like I would think that Philly would think hard about a DDR, White or Murrey, and another young guy or pick player in a trade. I actually think Simmons is a good player and is getting a bad rap for a poor playoff performance. I've seen him play dominant basketball when Embid has been out.

[Leetonidas]

I’d give 2 firsts plus anybody on our roster and not think twice

This sounds about right. Though I'd definitely prefer to keep white over Murray. I don't think Simmons is as bad as people think right now because of his playoff performance. He's still better than anyone we have. But I wouldn't break the bank for him. Hope the Spurs continue to engage with Philly and see if Morey lowers his price

[Mr. Body]

This doesn't make sense to me as an actual trade demand. For one, Wiggins is a highly paid, inefficient player that is generally thought of as a bad contract trade in every scenario. Wiseman is questionable if he's any good, but certainly he is not worth much unless they either trade Embid or Embid gets injured. I guess he could start maybe 20 games a season that Embid takes off. And if you have Embid and you are in win now mode, why would you want to trade for two first rounders that would take 3-4 years to develop. That's basically wasting Embid's best years. The only trade that makes sense is getting a player on Simmon's level back. I could see if you could get a package of players that cumulatively help 76ers's depth. Like I would think that Philly would think hard about a DDR, White or Murrey, and another young guy or pick player in a trade. I actually think Simmons is a good player and is getting a bad rap for a poor playoff performance. I've seen him play dominant basketball when Embid has been out.

You need Wiggins for the salary. Wiseman isn't a lost cause, and then it's four draft picks with two of them very high.

[cd98]

You need Wiggins for the salary. Wiseman isn't a lost cause, and then it's four draft picks with two of them very high.

Yes, but why not just trade him to Portland for McCollum and something. Then you are competitive with Embid. Wiggins is salary, but he isn't a good player that will help them win. Wiseman may not be a lost cause, but he's two or three years away, same with the draft picks. Embid has a short shelf life because of his injury history. They need players they can win with now, not in 3-4 years, unless they are going to trade Embid too.

[mo7888]

Sounds like he’s trying to set up an excuse - that he can tell the fans - to keep Simmons. “I tried everything with all the teams in the league but there weren’t any takers.” Are the 76er fans dumb enough to buy it?

Yes, yes they are...

[stephen jackson]

What are the odds of any of those draft picks becoming great? And six years from now maybe? Who cares trade em

[Budkin]

4 FIRSTS FOR SIMMONS!? :lmao

[cjw]

At first i read the title as spurs reject six offers for simmons:wow

Jonathon Simmons has had more playoff success than Ben.

That should tell you something.

[Chinook]

So what's it going to be: Murray, Young, Primo and Samanic (and at least that Bulls pick if not another first) for Ben? Would explain the extra contracts, the obsession with shooters and the silence/lack of play from those players.

[Chinook]

Could be bigger with Poeltl being added (explaining why the Spurs signed two centers). Assuming Murray and not White because of the DJM's behavior, but that could be a smokescreen.

Simmons, Forbes, Jones
White, Walker (Jeffries)
Johnson, Vassell, Wieskamp
McD, KBD, Aminu
Poeltl, Collins, Eubanks, SOB

[Dejounte]

This obsession with getting rid of Murray :lmao bro stop clinging to every last hope

[mo7888]

Could be bigger with Poeltl being added (explaining why the Spurs signed two centers). Assuming Murray and not White because of the DJM's behavior, but that could be a smokescreen.

Simmons, Forbes, Jones
White, Walker (Jeffries)
Johnson, Vassell, Wieskamp
McD, KBD, Aminu
Poeltl, Collins, Eubanks, SOB

Could be but I'd bet real money that Morey would prioritize getting White over Murray simply because he has better outside shooting..

[CGD]

I’m down. I’ve long thought one of Murray/White has to go. Id be ok sending Lonnie too.

Having Thad and that extra CHI pick helps.

[Teamduncan21]

why is this trade getting brought up everywhere? Is it because we are in denial and hoping for something? or someone hinted that spurs is not done?

Forbes one is questionable sign for sure, but spurs has done questionable things quite often...

[CGD]

why is this trade getting brought up everywhere? Is it because we are in denial and hoping for something? or someone hinted that spurs is not done?

Forbes one is questionable sign for sure, but spurs has done questionable things quite often...

A little bit of column A and a little of column B, lol.

Spurs and Philly did talk about Simmons recently, with Philly’s steep offer being rejected. Makes sense they’d continue the conversation.

[LeBowen]

Could be but I'd bet real money that Morey would prioritize getting White over Murray simply because he has better outside shooting..


First of all, I don't think there's a chance we go for Simmons.

I agree that Sixers would want White and not Murray. I'd also rather have DJ stay because Derrick just can't stay healthy.
But then our spacing gets really questionable.

I've said it many times, Simmons is a horrible fit for this roster, even with the new additions.

If Simmons is on the roster, non-shooting big as a starter simply isn't an option. Jakob would have to go. No question about that.
Keldon is also a poor shooter, as is DJ. You need at least 2 elite shooters and 2 decent ones surrounding Simmons or it's a disaster.

We've seen how awful our spacing was with DJ-Derrick-Keldon-DDR-Poeltl lineup. By far the worst in the league.
And DDR has Curry range compared to Simmons.

[Chinook]

This obsession with getting rid of Murray :lmao bro stop clinging to every last hope

As I said in the post above yours, it could be White. But the Spurs have 19 contracts with some kind of guarantee in them. They wouldn't add Forbes to that if they didn't an on moving some guys.

[CGD]

In this world, I do see Jakob being expendable. Zollins and Jock, who can legit space make much more sense.

You can see a world where this SL has better shooting balance is:

White
Lonnie
Keldon
Simmons
Zollins

[spurraider21]

In this world, I do see Jakob being expendable. Zollins and Jock, who can legit space make much more sense.

You can see a world where this SL has better shooting balance is:

White
Lonnie
Keldon
Simmons
Zollins
Zollins can’t even wipe his own ass

[CGD]

As I said in the post above yours, it could be White. But the Spurs have 19 contracts with some kind of guarantee in them. They wouldn't add Forbes to that if they didn't an on moving some guys.

It’s not popular but i also like a Wiggins + assets trade as a fall back. Spurs now have trade the ballast, Warriors will likely bring back Iggy, etc. It’s a question of what assets makes sense for taking back Wiggins.

[KingKev]

Our future first round picks should be highly coveted given how stupid PATFO has become. Our next 5 picks are literal NBA gold.

[objective]

:lol

Come on, there's no trade, there's no smokescreen

There is only agony

Oh, there might be a trade: one or two or all when dumping Samanic, Lonnie, or Ewbanks

[Teamduncan21]

A little bit of column A and a little of column B, lol.

Spurs and Philly did talk about Simmons recently, with Philly’s steep offer being rejected. Makes sense they’d continue the conversation.

ok thanks

the thing is if we are going for Simmons, we dont have to go for Forbes, we can go for Simmons first, and for some reason thinks we still need Forbes, then sign him after (unless we think he is highly coveted and needs to be fast)

So I dont see Forbes signing signaling a future trade. there may or may not be a trade, but Forbes signing seems like a weird thing that PATFO does for no good logic, rather than a step 1 of a well engineered move.

[mo7888]

ok thanks

the thing is if we are going for Simmons, we dont have to go for Forbes, we can go for Simmons first, and for some reason thinks we still need Forbes, then sign him after (unless we think he is highly coveted and needs to be fast)

So I dont see Forbes signing signaling a future trade. there may or may not be a trade, but Forbes signing seems like a weird thing that PATFO does for no good logic, rather than a step 1 of a well engineered move.

There's either a trade of some sort or we waive players...

[slick'81]

:lol

Come on, there's no trade, there's no smokescreen

There is only agony

Oh, there might be a trade: one or two or all when dumping Samanic, Lonnie, or Ewbanks

no shit:lol our future picks are a gold mine now that we are in tank mode. Now with every worse fa signing we make phili is ready to take our trash for a guy who wont even improve this team?! We laughed at chicago for having no picks,and now were willing to sell the farm to make sense of a shitty offseason? I mean wtf

[Chinook]

Also apparently SOB is the guy who stood up for Ben when he ghosted the ANT this summer. If they had to lose Mills, bringing in another Aussie makes sense.

[tbdog]

I can't foresee spurs and sixers closing the gap on a youth plus four 1st and four swaps.

Currently it's White, Poeltl, Young 1st as starter. And in all honesty, sixers are waiting out on the Lillard situation. So no, I don't think is remotely likely considering how far teams are.

But we have far to many players. A trade has to come somewhere.

[Chinook]

Yeah, I don't think people get it. The Spurs added eight contracts this off-season against the 11 players they still had on their team. They can:

Waive Eubanks and eat only $500k
Pull KBD's QO before he signs it
For Wieskamp to sign overseas or a two-way
Sign SOB to a two-way

If they do all of those things, they'll be down to 15 spots (plus the two-ways). But besides the second one, those all seem individually unlikely, let alone collectively. The thing is, the Spurs already have 18 of these deals before agreeing with Forbes. They already knew they didn't have room and signed him anyway. That suggests they know they're going to have room, but assuming neither Wieskamp nor SOB sign two-ways (again, this is likely), they don't even have enough off-season spots to sign their two-ways guys for camp yet. Sure, they can sign those guys after cuts (Jeffries might be a candidate for this), but right now, the Spurs aren't in a comfortable roster position. They don't HAVE to make a trade, but they certainly seem oriented toward doing that.

[slick'81]

Cant wait for the next great move spurs have cookin

[Chinook]

I can't foresee spurs and sixers closing the gap on a youth plus four 1st and four swaps.

Currently it's White, Poeltl, Young 1st as starter. And in all honesty, sixers are waiting out on the Lillard situation. So no, I don't think is remotely likely considering how far teams are.

But we have far to many players. A trade has to come somewhere.

Haven't looked too much at ATL's roster spots, but a trade for Collins could still happen. It doesn't look as likely as with Simmons given that John doesn't require shooting in the same way. But maybe Primo, Young and Poeltl for Collins and Johnson makes sense for both clubs. ATL gets the back-up center and replacement four while apparently getting the prospect they were trying to trade up for. The Spurs get their starting PF and a prospect that would've made sense for them before the draft (outside of character concerns). Hopefully, the Spurs don't pay more than that for a guy they could've signed as a free agent. I wouldn't consider it really likely, but again, possibility.

Same for Siakam or Turner/Sabonis trades.

[szkorhetz]

Yeah, I don't think people get it. The Spurs added eight contracts this off-season against the 11 players they still had on their team. They can:

Waive Eubanks and eat only $500k
Pull KBD's QO before he signs it
For Wieskamp to sign overseas or a two-way
Sign SOB to a two-way

If they do all of those things, they'll be down to 15 spots (plus the two-ways). But besides the second one, those all seem individually unlikely, let alone collectively. The thing is, the Spurs already have 18 of these deals before agreeing with Forbes. They already knew they didn't have room and signed him anyway. That suggests they know they're going to have room, but assuming neither Wieskamp nor SOB sign two-ways (again, this is likely), they don't even have enough off-season spots to sign their two-ways guys for camp yet. Sure, they can sign those guys after cuts (Jeffries might be a candidate for this), but right now, the Spurs aren't in a comfortable roster position. They don't HAVE to make a trade, but they certainly seem oriented toward doing that.
SOB?

[objective]

Dumping Samanic or Lonnie is a big danger.

Lonnie won't play with Forbes on the roster.

Samanic won't play with Young and McDermott and Keldon on the roster

And if anyone thinks it doesn't make sense to give up on young promising players ... Allow me to introduce you to the front office

[slick'81]

SOB?


Im in

[Chinook]

SOB?

Landale

[Dejounte]

Not that I think theres a trade for a big player like the ones mentioned,

but I’d rather go for Siakam than anybody

raptors are much more inclined to fall for the potential of our youth because they favor athleticism

siakam and scottie barnes are a bad fit

Luka + Lonnie and whoever else for Siakam

[RC_Drunkford]

Haven't looked too much at ATL's roster spots, but a trade for Collins could still happen. It doesn't look as likely as with Simmons given that John doesn't require shooting in the same way. But maybe Primo, Young and Poeltl for Collins and Johnson makes sense for both clubs. ATL gets the back-up center and replacement four while apparently getting the prospect they were trying to trade up for. The Spurs get their starting PF and a prospect that would've made sense for them before the draft (outside of character concerns). Hopefully, the Spurs don't pay more than that for a guy they could've signed as a free agent. I wouldn't consider it really likely, but again, possibility.
Same for Siakam or Turner/Sabonis trades.

Thinking about this too, but I don't see it. Atlanta might work, but I'm completely against trading DJ. I also wouldn't want to trade Lonnie as this would be the first season where he got the green light to shoot it from anywhere (at least I hope so). If we are moving young guys, Samanic is the guy I'm looking at. His position is completely overcrowded for him to get any playing time. Same thing with Vassell. Hawks need to cut some salary and Young would be a good replacement at PF for them. But if we sell the house for Collins, I'ma be pissed as we could've just offered him a contract with cap space. We shouldn't be giving up any of our young core to get him.


There's no way where I would send the Sixers Murray and White for Simmons. No way. A White move to Indiana for Turner or Sabonis would make sense, as I mentioned before. I think with all these expirings, a trade with ATL is most likely.

[Atl Spur]

Like I said earlier......I don’t think we are done. I would be shocked if Lauri doesn’t end up here. We shall see.....

[Poolboy5623]

Yeah, make a big trade for a basketball player that can't shoot lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Dejounte/White/Tre Jones
Walker/Forbes/Primo
Keldon/McDermott/Vassell/Aminu
Thad Young/Samanic/Zach Collins
Poeltl/Eubanks/Landale

2-ways: KBD, Wieskamp

Now McDermott could play PF, Collins can also play C, Landale can also play PF, Vassell SG and White SG. But the way I see it the 2 players that will have a hard time to find playing time are Samanic and Vassell. Also Eubanks might get cut or added to a trade who knows.
At least one of Young and Aminu would definitely be included. My guess is there would be either 2 players at the PF or SF position on the move. Maybe SG. But right now the forward spots look overloaded.

[Chinook]

Dejounte/White/Tre Jones
Walker/Forbes/Primo
Keldon/McDermott/Vassell/Aminu
Thad Young/Samanic/Zach Collins
Poeltl/Eubanks/Landale

2-ways: KBD, Wieskamp

Now McDermott could play PF, Collins can also play C, Landale can also play PF, Vassell SG and White SG. But the way I see it the 2 players that will have a hard time to find playing time are Samanic and Vassell. Also Eubanks might get cut or added to a trade who knows.
At least one of Young and Aminu would definitely be included. My guess is there would be either 2 players at the PF or SF position on the move. Maybe SG. But right now the forward spots look overloaded.

KBD can't sign another two-way, and Wieskamp has too much leverage to be expected to.

[objective]

KBD can't sign another two-way, and Wieskamp has too much leverage to be expected to.

Also has 1 too many players on the main roster

[RC_Drunkford]

KBD can't sign another two-way, and Wieskamp has too much leverage to be expected to.

that would mean Young, Aminu and Samanic for a PF like Siakam or Collins is most likely. Maybe Walker or Vassell included as well. Add the Bulls pick and the 2 2nds. But I don't see how that makes sense for any of these teams. Seems to not be enough. Are the Raptors looking for cap space?

[RC_Drunkford]

Ok Chinook. That would mean the situation would look like this:

Dejounte/White/Tre Jones
Walker/Forbes/Vassell/Primo
Keldon/McDermott/Aminu/Weiskamp
Thad Young/Samanic/Zach Collins/KBD
Poeltl/Eubanks/Landale

18 players, which means 3 would have to be moved, maybe 4 for 1. Still looking like Young and Aminu + 2 of Samanic, Vassell, Walker + the picks we got from the Bulls. What could that get us realistically? I don't see it

[LeBowen]

that would mean Young, Aminu and Samanic for a PF like Siakam or Collins is most likely. Maybe Walker or Vassell included as well. Add the Bulls pick and the 2 2nds. But I don't see how that makes sense for any of these teams. Seems to not be enough. Are the Raptors looking for cap space?

I think Masai is just looking for good assets, they don't care about the fit on their roster. They're in full rebuild mode.
Siakam would be amazing, but PATFO would get fleeced by Masai again.
I'd rather have him than Simmons or Collins.

Tbh, I'm scared of any potential trade as long as Brian Wright is in charge. :lol

If they really want to make a trade for Siakam on Simmons, then they also need to go for Myles Turner, imo.
Poeltl and Keldon with either of those two doesn't work.

[objective]

that would mean Young, Aminu and Samanic for a PF like Siakam or Collins is most likely. Maybe Walker or Vassell included as well. Add the Bulls pick and the 2 2nds. But I don't see how that makes sense for any of these teams. Seems to not be enough. Are the Raptors looking for cap space?

Or ...

Samanic or Walker are added to the DDR package

Or they're dumped to a team with a trade exception like Dallas

Or they give up a 2nd to get OKC to take one off their hands

Or they cut Eubanks

I think those are far more likely than a trade for Simmons or Siakam or J. Collins or any good player.

I mean, maybe there's a big trade in the works, but the simplest explanation is that the Spurs love Forbes, they don't need an excuse to sign him

When you hear hoofbeats in the distance, sure, it could be zebras. But most likely it's just horses.

[RC_Drunkford]

I think Masai is just looking for good assets, they don't care about the fit on their roster. They're in full rebuild mode.
Siakam would be amazing, but PATFO would get fleeced by Masai again.
I'd rather have him than Simmons or Collins.

Tbh, I'm scared of any potential trade as long as Brian Wright is in charge. :lol

Siakam is 27, shot 29% from 3 and his contract is worse than John Collins for the max. Just saying :lol

I wouldn't mind either. I think this looks definitely like a potential Toronto package. PF replacement, Cap relieve, young prospects and draft picks. The question is: Is it enough?
timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) get in here. I need some sniffer takes

Edit: Ok Collins just resigned with the Hawks. We might just cut some guys and not do anything

[LeBowen]

Siakam is 27, shot 29% from 3 and his contract is worse than John Collins for the max. Just saying :lol

I wouldn't mind either. I think this looks definitely like an Atlanta or Toronto package. PF replacement, Cap relieve, young prospects and draft picks. The question is: Is it enough?
timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) get in here. I need some sniffer takes


His percentages dropped because they expected him to improve enough to replace nephew, didn't happen.
If Collins took shots Siakam takes, he'd be in low 30s from deep.

His contract runs out in 2024, same as DJ, one year earlier than Derrick. Fits the timeline if they want to try with that kind of a roster.
He can actually handle the ball and create for himself and he's a way better defender than Collins.

But the price will probably be too much for my liking.
Honestly, I'd just stick with what we have and see if DJ, Derrick and Lonnie can make the next step.
If not, there are plenty of potential trades to be had on the deadline.

It's not like Siakam or Simmons would make us a serious playoff team.

[mo7888]

The options as I see them just spit balling this morning-

1) waive/buyout Aminu, Eubanks, KBD

2) trade for Simmons

3) trade for Siakam

4) take Wiggins + assets for a young player + Thad

2 of those options are rebuilding and 2 of those are trying to compete..

[spurraider21]

Siakam is 27, shot 29% from 3 and his contract is worse than John Collins for the max. Just saying :lol

I wouldn't mind either. I think this looks definitely like a potential Toronto package. PF replacement, Cap relieve, young prospects and draft picks. The question is: Is it enough?
timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) get in here. I need some sniffer takes

Edit: Ok Collins just resigned with the Hawks. We might just cut some guys and not do anything
weird train of logic

1 - i think this is a raptors trade

2 - well hawks trade is off the table, so now we wont do anything

[Dejounte]

Siakam is 27, shot 29% from 3 and his contract is worse than John Collins for the max. Just saying :lol

I wouldn't mind either. I think this looks definitely like a potential Toronto package. PF replacement, Cap relieve, young prospects and draft picks. The question is: Is it enough?
timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) get in here. I need some sniffer takes

Edit: Ok Collins just resigned with the Hawks. We might just cut some guys and not do anything

Siakam also plays alot better defense

But i dont see it happening. Probably some waives incoming

if anything does happen, i think it happens quick…like today

[RC_Drunkford]

weird train of logic

1 - i think this is a raptors trade

2 - well hawks trade is off the table, so now we wont do anything

I'm just trying to make sense of it, cause I don't see how this roster makes sense at all

[Chinook]

Ok Chinook. That would mean the situation would look like this:

Dejounte/White/Tre Jones
Walker/Forbes/Vassell/Primo
Keldon/McDermott/Aminu/Weiskamp
Thad Young/Samanic/Zach Collins/KBD
Poeltl/Eubanks/Landale

18 players, which means 3 would have to be moved, maybe 4 for 1. Still looking like Young and Aminu + 2 of Samanic, Vassell, Walker + the picks we got from the Bulls. What could that get us realistically? I don't see it

Jeffries still exists, and if he really had a TO, that means SA has already picked it up and his salary should be guaranteed. I dunno what the return would be. I'm not against a Wiggins deal to get more assets, but the Warriors don't really have picks anymore.

[spurraider21]

have to believe that walker + one of murray/white will be on their way out if there's a trade brewing. probably thad and/or aminu for cap purposes as well. really curious to see what happens

[mo7888]

Jeffries still exists, and if he really had a TO, that means SA has already picked it up and his salary should be guaranteed. I dunno what the return would be. I'm not against a Wiggins deal to get more assets, but the Warriors don't really have picks anymore.

For Wiggins we'd have to take their current young guys and waive Aminu, Jefferies, and KBD I'd think

[RodNIc91]

Y’all getting excited with all these trade possibilities, but seem to forget the Spurs swing a deal once every decade. Hope to be wrong, but my man Mugen knows this better than most around here.

[objective]

I'm just trying to make sense of it, cause I don't see how this roster makes sense at all

Why would it means sense?

Wright is bad at his job. Not making sense comes with that.

[Mugen]

They're probably going to trade Lonnie tbh. Wouldn't be surprised if his camp asked for a trade to a team that will utilize him better and this dumbass FO will accommodate because they now have Bryn Fucking Forbes back. I hate PATFO so much :lol

[Mugen]

Dumping Samanic or Lonnie is a big danger.

Lonnie won't play with Forbes on the roster.

Samanic won't play with Young and McDermott and Keldon on the roster

And if anyone thinks it doesn't make sense to give up on young promising players ... Allow me to introduce you to the front office

This is 100% more likely than any BS trade that would require some type of creativity from Brian.

Lonnie would have had a feature role this season and actually have a chance to put up 15-20ppg with Derozan gone so of course Brian will be looking to trade him for some 2nd rounder.

Samanic had a nice stretch where he showed vast improvements on defense last season before the old man benched him. I'm sure they'll give up on him early too because he's not a culture guy, fuck this FO so much :lol

[rjv]

ST meltdown is officially in full effect

[NO LIMIT ARMY COMMANDER]

Can’t shoot the 3, made for the NBA of decades ago. We had that guy.

[rr2911]

From what I've heard, since Young and Aminu were just acquired, the Spurs can not trade them in a "package deal" They would have to wait 60 days. However, one of them can be traded immediately in a "1 for 1 " trade.

[RC_Drunkford]

From what I've heard, since Young and Aminu were just acquired, the Spurs can not trade them in a "package deal" They would have to wait 60 days. However, one of them can be traded immediately in a "1 for 1 " trade.

they could make it a 3-team-deal though. Deal is not officially done yet

[CGD]

From what I've heard, since Young and Aminu were just acquired, the Spurs can not trade them in a "package deal" They would have to wait 60 days. However, one of them can be traded immediately in a "1 for 1 " trade.

Thad will gain interest at the deadline. I suspect McBob and Forbes will too.

[MackAttack003]

Not gonna lie…. I know the spurs are getting fleeced in that deal but I wouldn’t mind it tbh lol we need a franchise guy to build around bad

what does a franchise guy have to do with Simmons? He played with one in Embid, but he sure as hell ain't a franchise player.

[John B]

what does a franchise guy have to do with Simmons? He played with one in Embid, but he sure as hell ain't a franchise player.
Simmons and Embiid don't compliment each other. Simmons need a mobile big (much like LeBron does) not to clog the lanes. Preferably Landale instead of Poeltl. Poeltl can go to a 3rd team like GSW.