Spurs Select G Josh Primo in the 2021 NBA Draft (12th Overall)

[gospursgojas]

Hopefully new Austin ownership is not as cream puffy as Holt and heads roll for this obvious mishandling of lottery pick.

[Dennis the Menace]

All y’all goons saying pre draft Trey Murphy just a middle of the pack talent. LOL

Trey Murphy just got traded/swapped as the 10th pick

[Kurgan]

Knicks apparently wanted to trade up. Wonder if it would have been for both of their firstrounders. If so, we might have gotten Kai Jones and Primo.

BUT well, all these ifs will be forgotten, when Primo becomes an All Star in 2027.

...probably for the Raptors or the Supersonics.

That's a non-starter because PATFO is still butthurt about Morris and aren't talking to the Knicks. You're more likely to see them deal with the Lakers.

[SAGirl]

I expect him to be on the bench pretty early, actually. He's young, but right now, he has only Tre Jones and Weatherspoon keeping him off the court. That won't last very long. I don't expect him to be very good for a while, but if he's the guy they hopefully think he is, he'll show enough to get time early.

Now if they re-sign Mills, then yes, he could be in Austin for a couple of years or at least until they get rid of Walker.
I think they don't see themselves paying Walker what he wants. I could be wrong bc Primo is so young that maybe they don't even see the conflict this way, but do think they will trade out one guard, or more likely let him go in FA... Which is still bad. If you don't see yourself paying for Walker bc he hasn't developed, he needs to be traded. What are they doing here?

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Get this kid on the Hidayet Turkoglu Giannis hormone regimen STAT :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/thetyjager/status/1420940204748296192?s=21

the wine boys, Pop and RC, are behind it guys, as usual.

Now all we need is Paul Millsap and it’s a perfect Spurs offseason

[Chinook]

I actually don't know if there was much of a trade-back market. A lot of teams just kinda gave their firsts away this year. I'm not sure any of them valued paying more money to get a guy if they didn't really want anyone in the first place. Picking Primo, even where they did, is fine. They get good value out of their players, and if they think an 18-year-old is that value, then it makes sense to go ahead and do it. I certainly wouldn't've preferred taking two bad firsts like OKC did with 16 or a nebulous future first like NKY did with 19. It's possible too that GM actually didn't like this draft, despite the early suggestions that it was far better than last year. If teams were willing will to give late-firsts away like that, then maybe the Spurs getting two of those firsts wasn't a good plan.

Again, it's the everything else around this pick that's shaky or shitty. The pick, while fine, tells us nothing about how the FO plans to attack the off-season. It should tell us that SA is looking at a decent-sized trade. But we can't actually can't tell that because PATFO will definitely run eight guards. Not clearly moving back toward a traditional lineup is a bad outcome in my mind, and even signing bigs won't change that. They have to move guards off the team.

[Mr. Body]

All y’all goons saying pre draft Trey Murphy just a middle of the pack talent. LOL

Trey Murphy just got traded/swapped as the 10th pick

No, he was picked 17.

[Kurgan]

I don't get why people weren't this pissed when we drafted Samanic. Primo excites me much more than that scrub.

Spurs had two 1sts that year which softened the blow.

[JeffDuncan]

Very happy for young Mr. Primo. But the Spurs are out of their freaking minds.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I don't get why people weren't this pissed when we drafted Samanic. Primo excites me much more than that scrub.

We were and I was, imo, the apathy is rampant this time around. We all half expected this shit

[gospursgojas]

Pop is in Tokyo And got the time zone difference mixed up and thought we were in second round already.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I don't get why people weren't this pissed when we drafted Samanic. Primo excites me much more than that scrub.

lol the reaction today is BECAUSE they did the same thing for Samanic.

Hey, at least this guy actually likes basketball.

[Mr. Body]

I actually don't know if there was much of a trade-back market. A lot of teams just kinda gave their firsts away this year. I'm not sure any of them valued paying more money to get a guy if they didn't really want anyone in the first place. Picking Primo, even where they did, is fine. They get good value out of their players, and if they think an 18-year-old is that value, then it makes sense to go ahead and do it. I certainly wouldn't've preferred taking two bad firsts like OKC did with 16 or a nebulous future first like NKY did with 19. It's possible too that GM actually didn't like this draft, despite the early suggestions that it was far better than last year. If teams were willing will to give late-firsts away like that, then maybe the Spurs getting two of those firsts wasn't a good plan.

Again, it's the everything else around this pick that's shaky or shitty. The pick, while fine, tells us nothing about how the FO plans to attack the off-season. It should tell us that SA is looking at a decent-sized trade. But we can't actually can't tell that because PATFO will definitely run eight guards. Not clearly moving back toward a traditional lineup is a bad outcome in my mind, and even signing bigs won't change that. They have to move guards off the team.

This is what I'm saying, too. Knicks, even if they would ever trade with the Spurs (or vice versa) actually traded out of the mid-round. OKC was the other suitor and I don't think they wanted to go up. Then there was Houston with two picks in the high-mid 20s and by then the risk was too high someone was going after Primo.

It's frustrating, to be sure, but I don't think there was a market there.

[Mr. Body]

I actually don't know if there was much of a trade-back market. A lot of teams just kinda gave their firsts away this year. I'm not sure any of them valued paying more money to get a guy if they didn't really want anyone in the first place. Picking Primo, even where they did, is fine. They get good value out of their players, and if they think an 18-year-old is that value, then it makes sense to go ahead and do it. I certainly wouldn't've preferred taking two bad firsts like OKC did with 16 or a nebulous future first like NKY did with 19. It's possible too that GM actually didn't like this draft, despite the early suggestions that it was far better than last year. If teams were willing will to give late-firsts away like that, then maybe the Spurs getting two of those firsts wasn't a good plan.

Again, it's the everything else around this pick that's shaky or shitty. The pick, while fine, tells us nothing about how the FO plans to attack the off-season. It should tell us that SA is looking at a decent-sized trade. But we can't actually can't tell that because PATFO will definitely run eight guards. Not clearly moving back toward a traditional lineup is a bad outcome in my mind, and even signing bigs won't change that. They have to move guards off the team.

This is what I'm saying, too. Knicks, even if they would ever trade with the Spurs (or vice versa) actually traded out of the mid-round. OKC was the other suitor and I don't think they wanted to go up. Then there was Houston with two picks in the high-mid 20s and by then the risk was too high someone was going after Primo.

It's frustrating, to be sure, but I don't think there was a market there.

[daslicer]

David Robinson says hi

I said "Most people stop growing at 18. Very few people grow after that age." You are pretty much proving my point. David Robinson was the rare exception of someone who grew after 18.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1420952525604331522

[John B]

But let's not slam this kid for the pick. The Spurs believe in their picks. They do not make trades, generally, the squeeze value, because they are conservative and know what they want. That's irritating, but it is what it is. Consistently they've been drafting well for several years now. But now's for next steps.

Samanic is questionable as Keldon is already at the Olympics, and both last years picks Vassell (insert Halliburton?? here) and Tre were already seeing minutes, while Samanic doesn’t even sniff the court yet.

I like to be proven wrong, but I have questions on how PATFO has been performing, or underperforming, really.

[Dennis the Menace]

How we do get a Brian Wright and Pop resignation campaign going??

Someone get a t-shirt business started

[vy65]

Please stop being prisoners of the moment.....do your draft research of the last five drafts 1-10 lottery picks! All types of missing went on but you’ll bitch about #12��. You win with vets but back fill with youth, you guys know the rules!

These are words, but they don't mean anything.

[Kurgan]

https://twitter.com/thetyjager/status/1420940204748296192?s=21

the wine boys, Pop and RC, are behind it guys, as usual.

Now all we need is Paul Millsap and it’s a perfect Spurs offseason

Seems like every 2nd round scrub will be following the Primo formula in order to get drafted by the Spurs. All you have to do is bullshit about culture and character and you're automatically on the shortlist for getting drafted.

[MultiTroll]

Jager and Eric Salinas have any cred?

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[slick'81]

He played alot as a feshman at bama,and was an all sec fresh. Theres something there to be sure. He will be fun to watch when he finally sees the floor. Spurs going for broke here

[SAGirl]

https://www.si.com/.image/t_share/MTc3NDMyMzQ0MzM5MTYyNDg5/eoncjb4xyaeptdm.jpg
He's a baby. Definitely not destined for this season.

[objective]

Jager and Eric Salinas have any cred?

1420953345402015745

reminds me of when the Knicks took Renaldo Balkman at 20, and their defense to criticism was that they heard that Phoenix really liked him and had 2 picks before the Knicks picked at 29. Well, good for them that they outfoxed Phoenix and took a guy who couldn't cut it in the Philippines league.

[vy65]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1420952525604331522

Dude seriously looks like a 14 year old who swung a gig selling shoes at the Foley's men's department circa 1992.

[Uriel]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1420949037319077889
Man, this reminds me of when Derrick White got that phone call from Pop and was crying. Just a beautiful moment.

[KingKev]

Pop on that good Sake. Holy fk this organization is useless. Not even borderline functioning alcoholics.

[SAGirl]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1420952525604331522

I hope he pans out and think he has a good chsnce, but Pop will just look at him... Just looks at that cherub face, he looks like a baby, determine he's too young, send him to the Gleague.

[Mugen]

Man, this reminds me of when Derrick White got that phone call from Pop and was crying. Just a beautiful moment.

Josh and I both cried when his name was announced as the 12th pick, very beautiful tbh.

[John B]

He's a baby. Definitely not destined for this season.

So a project? I was hoping he’s a replacement for any of Murray, White or Lonnie, if any would be packaged later for a Collins or Simmons. At this time, I’m really underwhelmed.

[slick'81]

Josh and I both cried when his name was announced as the 12th pick, very beautiful tbh.


:rollin

[slick'81]

So a project? I was hoping he’s a replacement for any of Murray, White or Lonnie, if any would be packaged later for a Collins or Simmons. At this time, I’m really underwhelmed.

Hes not replacing anyone till atleast 2024

[xellos88330]

I am starting to get the sense that the FO has fallen in love with their past success and are blind to reality. Now that my feelings on that is out of the way, I wish this kid luck. Here is to the slight hope that this kid will blossom into something great while remaining here, rather than the spurs spending so much time developing him, only to lose him to another franchise.

[Mr. Body]

Man, this reminds me of when Derrick White got that phone call from Pop and was crying. Just a beautiful moment.

Pretty different from how Bouknight looked. Man that guy did not look pleased to get picked by Charlotte.

[Spurtacular]

Don't know anything about Josh Primo. Haven't read this thread yet or went on the youtubes.

[DPG21920]

Don't think Brian Wright should be attacked for this pick - a rookie GM wouldn't dare make such a reach - this decision certainly goes deeper.

Agree - but what is Brian Wright adding to the FO or team? If he has no influence what is his use? If he does have influence then it’s been really bad.

[Kurgan]

Agree - but what is Brian Wright adding to the FO or team? If he has no influence what is his use? If he does have influence then it’s been really bad.

He's a puppet that smiles in front of the camera to show everyone that there's diversity in our front office. I was skeptical of his input when they did that remote interview with the front office before the bubble last year. Buford answered every question while Wright sat there saying nothing. It was embarrassing - like a child afraid to speak up, lest he upset his father.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Agree - but what is Brian Wright adding to the FO or team? If he has no influence what is his use? If he does have influence then it’s been really bad.

Well we have no idea tbh. Before RC was promoted or whatever, we knew it was him and Pop making the calls. Since then... does anyone even have an idea? Pop seems more and more detached, especially now that he's with team USA.

Perhaps Brian Wright is actually running everything with an iron fist and we know nothing about it :lol

[SAGirl]

So a project? I was hoping he’s a replacement for any of Murray, White or Lonnie, if any would be packaged later for a Collins or Simmons. At this time, I’m really underwhelmed.
I think anyone drafted Pop sends to the Gleague regardless, unless they are a HOF talent or there are injuries, which in itself is a gripe since some guys like Derrick are more ready than others coming in.

He just looks so young that he’ll likely need that development time surely. I do like him. It’s remarkable someone that young already can shoot well. I am a lot more excited about him than Samanic for example. Even the asset management thing doesn’t bother me as much. It will bother me if Sengun becomes a thing though but I can’t know that right now. It’s something that could come back to bite them if they didn’t find a way to take both guys. But right now in the moment I am just shocked bc I didn’t know who he was. I am not a paid scout so I wouldn’t have known.

I think Pop may just send him to the gleague bc he looks like a baby still. Anyone drafted on upside likely is so young they will more or less be the same, but there will be some guys getting playing time right away. Will this guy be one?

[tim_duncan_fan]

He played alot as a feshman at bama,and was an all sec fresh. Theres something there to be sure. He will be fun to watch when he finally sees the floor. Spurs going for broke here

That's part of the problem. we won't see him for 3 years and even then, he'll come in and spark us to a win in his first appearance only to not play for the next 40 games after that. Shit's boring as hell.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Woj just reported, that the Pacers where highly interested in Primo with the 13th pick, so we had to take him there.

J/k, even Woj never heard of this kid.

crofl

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Fvck!

[SAGirl]

Also it needs to be said this is partly why I don’t scout as much anymore. It’s been better for me when I don’t spend any time looking at picks then just YouTube videos of whoever gets picked and get excited without any frame of reference :lol

[the golden era]

I’m no one on this board. But here’s the thing, everyone of you motherfuckers was begging for PATFO to take the big swing in this draft. Well, they just did. Just because the kid wasn’t discussed here doesn’t mean he isn’t that guy. Smart money says he is and he will be an excellent pick and talent, by year 3 lol.

Here is where the shit hits the fan. OKC just got 3 of the guys I had as the prospects to take, most importantly Sengun, two of which we had a shot at. Sengun better not be the next Jokic, or we are going to be Kings level laughing stock cause the kid looked can’t miss and is on a lengthy timeline just like Primo. God i hope we didn’t miss on him. GSG

[daslicer]

Pretty different from how Bouknight looked. Man that guy did not look pleased to get picked by Charlotte.

Bouknight was weird he acted like he got drafted by OKC. Charlotte is not even the worst location in the NBA. It's right in the middle for places you can live in especially as a young black guy since there is a large black population in Charlotte.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Whether Primo will one day be a contributor is irrelevant. The bottom line is that our GM took a guy at 12 that nobody else would have taken in the next 10-12 picks when a more experienced GM would have either drafted a player than can contribute now, or, if their mind was set on Primo, simply traded down to get him later.

It’s embarrassing how ineffective Brian Wright has been as GM of the Spurs

He screwed up the Morris signing and allowed Bertans to walk

He got zero return for Aldridge

He had 4 UFA contracts to dangle (DeRozan, Mills, Gay, Lyles) and got nothing for any of them

He’s missed the playoffs 2 straight years

In any other field, he’d be swiftly terminated and relieved of his duties

WBomb

[spurraider21]

Shaken by the pick of Primo? I'm still stunned by the pick but, big picture, it's not a huge deal. Yeah, they probably could have traded down and added an asset but if he was the player they really wanted, then just picking him isn't something that will shake my faith in their drafting ability. We'll see if we get any info about how high he was on the board, if they considered trading back, etc.

What the Spurs do in free agency could shake my faith, though. I was never on the "trade DeRozan and Aldridge for something, anything :cry" bandwagon but they need to be smart this summer. This is definitely a summer where things can go off the rails and cause me to completely lose faith.

Ask me again in a week, tbh.
Have we made a good draft pick since 2017 tbh?

[Atl Spur]

Brian Wright is living rent free....... after all the Spurs are considered a trash organization ����������. Please go to bed

[Kori Ellis]

Don't think Brian Wright should be attacked for this pick - a rookie GM wouldn't dare make such a reach - this decision certainly goes deeper.

Apparently he didn't even meet Pop at his workout. So I'm guessing this pick is all R.C.

[Robz4000]

Primo is in Austin for at least one season. Probably two.

Probably his whole time with the Spurs tbh.

[slick'81]

Have we made a good draft pick since 2017 tbh?

https://cdn.projectspursnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2020/12/28232345/keldon-vs-tor.jpg

[Prime BEEF]

So a project? I was hoping he’s a replacement for any of Murray, White or Lonnie, if any would be packaged later for a Collins or Simmons. At this time, I’m really underwhelmed.
Yup same here. Duarte, moody, sengun and kispert all available and we pick primo? Very lame. He’ll be in g league all next season. Not surprising with this FO but still ridiculous. I’m happy with pick 41, wieskamp will end up being a better pick than primo

[Spurtacular]

So, basically Gregg used a 12th overall pick on the next Brent Formes. SMH.

[Atl Spur]

Apparently he didn't even meet Pop at his workout. So I'm guessing this pick is all R.C.

So was #9 j/s

[Atl Spur]

Yup same here. Duarte, moody, sengun and kispert all available and we pick primo? Very lame. He’ll be in g league all next season. Not surprising with this FO but still ridiculous. I’m happy with pick 41, wieskamp will end up being a better pick than primo

And how do you know that??? Any data to support that B/S take??

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Have we made a good draft pick since 2017 tbh?

Keldon

tre is better than his draft position but not saying that much bc he was drafted so late

i personally believe in vassell but jury is out

clock is ticking on cutting off luka jr's foreskin and setting him free

[Degoat]

Some of y’all are extra af, spurs are one of the best organizations at drafting in the league. I can understand being upset that they didn’t try to trade back and grab Primo but this kid has a huge ceiling imo

[EmantheSpursFan]

https://twitter.com/draftexpress/status/1408090374036496384?s=21

Here’s some video of Primo during his combine workouts. I’m warming up to this pick.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Apparently he didn't even meet Pop at his workout. So I'm guessing this pick is all R.C.

Does RC still scout and make the calls when it comes to the draft?

I'm not surprised about Pop not meeting Primo, he's probably not going to coach him. I can imagine them consulting with him about whether there's someone he likes and would find useful for next season and he told them no, draft for the future.

Sure seems a lot of teams weren't as high on this draft (post pick 4 or 5) as the draft experts.

[Prime BEEF]

That's part of the problem. we won't see him for 3 years and even then, he'll come in and spark us to a win in his first appearance only to not play for the next 40 games after that. Shit's boring as hell.
Yeah. Tankathon had primo being picked at 38. That actually makes sense and sounds about right imo. Definitely don’t pick him 12.

[Chinook]

Have we made a good draft pick since 2017 tbh?

Keldon was a fantastic pick on trade value alone. It probably could've moved him for a lotto pick had they tried.

[Prime BEEF]

And how do you know that??? Any data to support that B/S take??
The same way I knew we weren’t going to make the playoffs when others were so confident that they bet me $100 that we would. I didn’t forget. Was just waiting to see if you’d ever say anything about it.

still ultra positive guy. I’ll give you that

[SAGirl]

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Here’s some video of Primo during his combine workouts. I’m warming up to this pick.
hmm I reposted bc your link didn’t show properly.

here’s the media grades.

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[SpaceCowboy]

Can we talk a bit more about DJM’s reaction? That seemed way out of character to me and not at all how I would expect a guy who wants to be the leader of the team to welcome a new team mate, even if he hated the pick.

All I can think is he knows he is on the way out or is about to turn into a vocal malcontent.

Can somebody please convince me otherwise?

[mexicanjunior]

hmm I reposted bc your link didn’t show properly.

here’s the media grades.

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Anything better than an F- is generous AF...

[HankChinaski]

Draft picks overall fill a need. Outside shooting

Primo looks promising. Decent 3pt percentage. A intuitive cutter. Needs to work on several things. Like the pick just not at the position picked. Big head scratcher there.


Wieskamp is a good pick at 41. Doesn't have the greatest of handles but good at shooting on the move. High release.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/RealTomPetrini/status/1420945907122507779?s=20

Mid-range ffs…Spurs taking it as a compliment. Primo clearly clowning them :lol

[Prime BEEF]

Can we talk a bit more about DJM’s reaction? That seemed way out of character to me and not at all how I would expect a guy who wants to be the leader of the team to welcome a new team mate, even if he hated the pick.All I can think is he knows he is on the way out or is about to turn into a vocal malcontent.Can somebody please convince me otherwise?
what was his reaction? Didn’t get to watch the draft

[slick'81]

Can we talk a bit more about DJM’s reaction? That seemed way out of character to me and not at all how I would expect a guy who wants to be the leader of the team to welcome a new team mate, even if he hated the pick.All I can think is he knows he is on the way out or is about to turn into a vocal malcontent.Can somebody please convince me otherwise?Hes always been an outspoken socila media diva,tbh. Dont blame him the pick was a big wtf to basically everyone

[SPURt]

The Wieskamp pick gives this more context. The Spurs probably had both really high on their boards. They probably knew Primo doesn’t make it to the 2nd round and rolled the dice that Wieskamp would be there. If they couldn’t find an offer to trade down with, the only choice left is to take Primo at 12, even if it means getting dumped on by the media/fans. I look forward to seeing summer league.

[Sugus]

Now that the dust has settled a bit, I think the most pressing reaction I take off this draft is that the current composition of the team is wholly unsustainable. This is actually pretty interesting - any other team, and I'd say it's plainly obvious that they drafted with the certainty that they'd make trades and roster moves to accommodate the new draftees. Of course, the Spurs haven't shown this mentality in the past... But that doesn't necessarily dictate their future moves (or lack of).

So there's the big question - is this summer the "tipping point"? The roster definitely screams for a trade or two. We'll see what happens. Right now, I think any judgement on this draft pick, in its relation to the team as currently constructed, is a bit preposterous. And as for the pick itself -- I'd never even heard of this kid before the draft, so I have nothing to say on him :lol

One thing's for sure, tho - my precious Lonnie's place on the Spurs grows shakier by the day. If this year was a make-or-breaker for him before... It's a kill-or-die one now. Hope he can rise to the challenge.

[DPG21920]

This FO has been embarrassing as hell. Not only with the actual on court product but mainly because they look completely directionless and out of sync.

We have a GM who has no power and RC stepping all over him, a coach that has aged and has too much influence with no one to step in and be a voice of reason for what is best for the franchise and a stunning lack of adaptive aptitude towards the modern game.

It’s been freaking awful especially from a direction standpoint. Completely one foot in, one foot out with predictable bad results.

Saving grace is they avoided anything resembling a major land mine and now the decision that should have been made 2 years ago is forced upon them; move on from the vets, embrace more of a rebuild with the youth getting more prominent roles and give yourself cap flexibility at the minimum

[DPG21920]

This FO has been embarrassing as hell. Not only with the actual on court product but mainly because they look completely directionless and out of sync.

We have a GM who has no power and RC stepping all over him, a coach that has aged and has too much influence with no one to step in and be a voice of reason for what is best for the franchise and a stunning lack of adaptive aptitude towards the modern game.

It’s been freaking awful especially from a direction standpoint. Completely one foot in, one foot out with predictable bad results.

Saving grace is they avoided anything resembling a major land mine and now the decision that should have been made 2 years ago is forced upon them; move on from the vets, embrace more of a rebuild with the youth getting more prominent roles and give yourself cap flexibility at the minimum

[slick'81]

The Wieskamp pick gives this more context. The Spurs probably had both really high on their boards. They probably knew Primo doesn’t make it to the 2nd round and rolled the dice that Wieskamp would be there. If they couldn’t find an offer to trade down with, the only choice left is to take Primo at 12, even if it means getting dumped on by the media/fans. I look forward to seeing summer league.

Maybe they wanted bouknight who went one pick before them. When they couldnt trade down they went with the player they thought had the most upside.who knows maybe they wanted primo all along!? They passed on moody,sengun,kispert and duarter ffs

[Spurtacular]

So, basically Gregg used a 12th overall pick on the next Brent Formes. SMH.

Welp. If this dude plays bad defense at the NBA level like Formes, we don't know yet.
He doesn't seem to have been exposed at college.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/joshua-primo-1.html

[ducks]

If this pick was all on rc and did not meet pop
Maybe he is gone
Yeah

[Mr. Body]

Honestly don't think I miss any player drafted in the next 10-20 slots after him, except Sengun. Time will show whether the Spurs totally fucked up by falling in love with this young guard and not taking the transformational big man.

Also somewhat amusing that the Rockets wound up with Scola and the Turkish player who plays at least in the post like Scola.

[wildbill2u]

Hopefully by 21 hell be 6'8 with a 6'11 wing span

Just in time to sign with someone else as a free agent?

[SpaceCowboy]

https://mobile.twitter.com/dejountemurray/status/1420935880328548359

He definitely did not seem stoked. I don’t blame him, just surprised he was that transparent about it I guess.

[DPG21920]

Brian Wrights answers are very concerning:

https://twitter.com/realtompetrini/status/1420978294367809544?s=21

[slick'81]

https://youtu.be/-xDvUXSKRGM

[slick'81]

Brian Wrights answers are very concerning:

https://twitter.com/realtompetrini/status/1420978294367809544?s=21


Loong runway? Wtf does that even mean?

[DPG21920]

https://twitter.com/realtompetrini/status/1420977632238211075?s=21

Of course the same old “we looked at all options and decided staying put…”. How convenient how SA always does all this due diligence and is so active but never can quite find a deal.

Not concerned about the logjam either huh? Ok.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Loong runway? Wtf does that even mean?

Probably that by year 3 or 4 when Primo is ready most other players on the roster will likely be gone.

Btw are we sure someone didn't forge his birth day , so that he can be drafted at 14? Like the opposite Thon Maker :lol

[DPG21920]

https://twitter.com/byjohndiaz/status/1420977947003953155?s=21

[DPG21920]

Probably that by year 3 or 4 when Primo is ready most other players on the roster will likely be gone.

Btw are we sure someone didn't forge his birth day , so that he can be drafted at 14? Like the opposite Thon Maker :lol

It’s fine to say youth has runway….except for when you’ve brought in vets and gave them minutes at the expense of the youth and now have a position jam and blocking them from getting the room they all need to develop too.

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/byjohndiaz/status/1420977947003953155?s=21

I do believe this. Amateurs get infatuated with certain players while guys like Ziaire Williams rise. I can believe Primo was rising among several teams. I just don't know if he was the best pick there.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/realtompetrini/status/1420977632238211075?s=21

Of course the same old “we looked at all options and decided staying put…”. How convenient how SA always does all this due diligence and is so active but never can quite find a deal.

Not concerned about the logjam either huh? Ok.

Yeah it’s absolute BS.

You draft a PG last year who can’t get in the game. You basically start two PGs on your team. And now you draft another guard “who impressed you with their PG play?”

If Spurs don’t think that player morale takes a hit when you keep log jamming people together, they’re more out of touch with modern players than we thought.

Wish Primo well. No ill will here. But the BPA talk seems like utter garbage.

[offset formation]

https://twitter.com/realtompetrini/status/1420977632238211075?s=21

Of course the same old “we looked at all options and decided staying put…”. How convenient how SA always does all this due diligence and is so active but never can quite find a deal.

Not concerned about the logjam either huh? Ok.

not trading down is comical ineptitude. not taking sengun when this team is thirsty as hell for a big man with offensive firepower is embarrassing oversight.

I hope Cuz pans out and I certainly will not knock the kid. I'll be his biggest cheerleader. that said, with even a minimal amount of drafting prowess, they could have likely had both.

and to his point about not being concerned about a logjam, that may be the case, but his players most definitely are. see DJ's tweets.

LW, DW, DJ, DV, etc will all be struggling for good consistent minutes.

smdh. I just do not get this.

[pad300]

Loong runway? Wtf does that even mean?

"Long Runway" = Needs 2+ years in the G league before he'll be worth a spot on the bench in the NBA...

[DPG21920]

Spurs refusing to “tank” and hurting their chances at a real future only to reach so hard with their best pick in 20 years. It’s infuriating

[gospursgojas]

What makes everything worse is the Warriors got both Kuminga and Moody. Talk about 2 FO’s that are on totally different levels.

[SAGirl]

Brian Wrights answers are very concerning:

https://twitter.com/realtompetrini/status/1420978294367809544?s=21
He’s so young he’s not on the same timeline as the others and he can already see some of them leave b4 then (ehem Lonnie).

[SAGirl]

https://twitter.com/realtompetrini/status/1420977632238211075?s=21

Of course the same old “we looked at all options and decided staying put…”. How convenient how SA always does all this due diligence and is so active but never can quite find a deal.

Not concerned about the logjam either huh? Ok.
I am actually impressed he was referred to as a PG. all of a sudden DJM face gets more context.

[slick'81]

What makes everything worse is the Warriors got both Kuminga and Moody. Talk about 2 FO’s that are on totally different levels.


Okc did well too. Its drafting 101- scout then take bpa ,and draft for need but not sa. We have what 5/6 sg's fck it heres another. Its maddening. If we needed a guard with more playmaking skills we should of just drafted halliburton,tbh

[American Citizen]

Loong runway? Wtf does that even mean?

It means the Spurs have accepted that they're in a full rebuild unless they're just really stupid.

[John B]

"Long Runway" = Needs 2+ years in the G league before he'll be worth a spot on the bench in the NBA...

Yup that's for a 2nd round pick, but not a lottery pick?? Nobody does a project on a lottery pick.

I like Primo. I'd sure would be ecstatic if Spurs were choosing at 29th, but 12????

[Kurgan]

Spurs refusing to “tank” and hurting their chances at a real future only to reach so hard with their best pick in 20 years. It’s infuriating

Treadmill team drafting treadmill talent, with a front office that has treadmill ambitions/mentality.

[Kurik]

I do believe this. Amateurs get infatuated with certain players while guys like Ziaire Williams rise. I can believe Primo was rising among several teams. I just don't know if he was the best pick there.

Just say that he wasn’t the best pick there lol. You’ve been defending the Spurs a little too much to be honest. Very different approach in your posts.

[wildbill2u]

To me, after some reflection about his potential value as a 12th pick, it doesn't seem that this draft was about him as much as about moving some other players now on the roster as guards. Spurs can't keep stocking up on guards. Somebody has to go in a trade--and soon if they are going to improve the team at all for next season.

You'd have to think Keldon isn't going anywhere since he made the Olympic squad ahead of any other Spur. There are good points and bad points about all the others---Walker, White, Devin, Murray, Jones--who might be considered as playable as starters/6th man next year, but not superstar material for the future. I can see at least one of them being traded as part of a deal that might bring someone to shore up the front line. Frankly, making one of them expendable now looks more and more like the way to go if a deal can be made and/or is in the works.

Picking up this untried and mostly unheralded young guard is definitely a sign that one or more are on the way out. Take your pick. My guess is that Walker and Murray are on the bubble. White and Devin can probably take their places without much trouble or loss in play alongside Kendall in the rotation.

I'd like to think that a 12th pick in the lottery could make the traveling squad instead of learning the game in Austin, but no one knows if anyone this young and untried can make that leap. Is he really that skilled? I doubt it, but that's just from watching the Spurs operate over the years with young players.

Folks keep talking about Collins and I'm OK with that and wouldn't care if one of those guys had to go to make a deal for him or someone of that caliber.

[DPG21920]

Dude is wayyyy out of touch if he actually believes this:

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1420986147409436679?s=21

Other ways to add to the team? You never trade, suck in free agency so literally the draft IS the only way you’ve added to the team. What are you on about?

[Kurik]

His answer to everything is adding long term talent. I guess he feels OKC and the Rockets aren’t adding long term talent the right way.

[DPG21920]

It’s just so interesting how Spurs can somehow never find a deal that makes them better for their future or now. It’s always, we just like what we have.

Now, we can take that on face value. Or we can look around the league and see SA is a massive outlier with regards to trade frequency and question do they really lack vision/courage/plan?

But these obvious bs answers make no sense and make it worse. You can’t say you want to win and make no changes to your roster after missing the playoffs like they did last year. You can say youth has a long run way then block them with vets and crowd the positions so no one has real space to develop.

You can’t say there are other ways to add to the team besides the draft and not have done anything meaningful via trade or asset management and been a disaster in free agency.

None of it makes sense when held up to the slightest bit of scrutiny and as the results have deteriorated the actions have not changed at all. It’s bad.

Again, they at least are forced to face somewhat of a reality (until they sign DDR again) and they have flexibility but this FO has fallen off so hard and they need to prove they have something of value to add to this team.

[Kurgan]

His answer to everything is adding long term talent. I guess he feels OKC and the Rockets aren’t adding long term talent the right way.

Warriors are a win now team and even they have better long term talent than us. And they won three titles more recently than our last title. Rockets were the joke of our division after losing Harden and they've already pivoted to a rebuild with better youth prospects than SA in less than a season. SA is in a never ending holding pattern of mediocrity.

[Mr. Body]

Just say that he wasn’t the best pick there lol. You’ve been defending the Spurs a little too much to be honest. Very different approach in your posts.

The fuck you want? It's true that what teams are seeing and evaluating is different than the jackholes here, including me, and certainly more than the fuckheads at The Ringer. That doesn't mean this wasn't a bad pick or whatever, it means exactly what it means. Everyone here was jacking off about Kai Jones but he dropped because jacking off over him was ridiculous.

[RVSTX]

Ok, so if they fell in love with this kids long term potential, how do you think the players feel. they probably thought they were gonna get some help in the frontcourt, not another guard. like someone mentioned earlier, the morale might dip a little, theres just no room for all the guards. even if you stash him in austin, if hes as good as they think he is, he wont be there long. they either realized that the team as is isnt very good so why keep adding to it. derek might be the odd man out, he wil be 30 in 3 years when this kid turns 22...

[DPG21920]

So what seems better on paper:

Dallas: Luka
MEM: Ja + JJJ + Ziaire
NO: Zion/Ingram (maybe Lonzo)
HOU: Green/Wood/Sengun/Garuba
SA: Murray/White/Keldon/Vassell/Lonnie/Primo

If you were starting a team, how would you rank the cores to build off of?

[Kurik]

So what seems better on paper:

Dallas: Luka
MEM: Ja + JJJ
NO: Zion
HOU: Green/Wood/Sengun/Garuba
SA: Murray/White/Keldon/Vassell/Lonnie/Primo

If you were starting a team, how would you rank the cores to build off of?

That makes me cry. The Rockets are in a good position and I’m sure they’ll trade Wood and get value when they need to.

[slick'81]

So what seems better on paper:

Dallas: Luka
MEM: Ja + JJJ + Ziaire
NO: Zion/Ingram (maybe Lonzo)
HOU: Green/Wood/Sengun/Garuba
SA: Murray/White/Keldon/Vassell/Lonnie/Primo

If you were starting a team, how would you rank the cores to build off of?


All of them have a legit #1

spurs have injury plagued white and djm:lol still i bet some here will argue spurs core is better somehow

[DPG21920]

I actually really like our youth honestly. I think they can be solid, but this FO needs to help them out and get them in a better spot. Let’s see what they can do with this cap space and flexibility. They have every opportunity to be real players in trades and free agency for this year or near future.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

While I agree with the sentiment that they should have traded down and picked Primo plus another asset, are we sure there could have been a deal to be made at all? It seems like after Bouknight was taken 11 teams weren't looking to trade up, but trade down or trade out. It seems most teams didn't like this draft much.

The only team that traded up was Houston, taking 16 for 2 future firsts. Notice that Presti didn't want 23 and 24 in this draft but two heavily protected future firsts via Was and Det, which could turn into 2nd rounders. OKC and NY traded down and out, Lakers traded out. Based on this let's assume the realistic deal was Houston's 23 and 24 for 12. In this case would Primo be there? Perhaps they got wind from some team or teams who were high on him in this range? I could see Wizards, OKC or Pelicans taking him.

Just playing devil's advocate here. The Spurs pick was late, they probably were making calls.

[Mr. Body]

What puzzles me right now is why Primo came out for the draft this year. Alabama had a lot of talent, so he was playing in a lot of shadows. It seems clear if he stayed another year, he was a lottery potential. Now, obviously he somehow got picked in the lottery anyway. In a way the Spurs got a lottery pick a year before he was ready to come out.

I agree that it's frustrating for fans and must be for players. This is an indication of two things:

1) No help for the developing young players. I don't think we can expect big splashes in FA or trades, either. The team will be substantially worse without DDR, Gay, etc.
2) There is no stability in the roster. Because there's so many guards, it's clear some have to go eventually. One of the advantages they had last year was good chemistry. Now guys may be looking over their shoulders. Not necessarily due to Primo, but because of what the pick represents.

[daslicer]

Warriors are a win now team and even they have better long term talent than us. And they won three titles more recently than our last title. Rockets were the joke of our division after losing Harden and they've already pivoted to a rebuild with better youth prospects than SA in less than a season. SA is in a never ending holding pattern of mediocrity.

Spurs are basically the Hornets during the Kemba era. They will continue to be a team that will fight for 8-10 seed with mediocre talent for the next several years until they suffer from some serious injuries that puts them in high lottery position.

[DPG21920]

While I agree with the sentiment that they should have traded down and picked Primo plus another asset, are we sure there could have been a deal to be made at all? It seems like after Bouknight was taken 11 teams weren't looking to trade up, but trade down or trade out. It seems most teams didn't like this draft much.

The only team that traded up was Houston, taking 16 for 2 future firsts. Notice that Presti didn't want 23 and 24 in this draft but two heavily protected future firsts via Was and Det, which could turn into 2nd rounders. OKC and NY traded down and out, Lakers traded out. Based on this let's assume the realistic deal was Houston's 23 and 24 for 12. In this case would Primo be there? Perhaps they got wind from some team or teams who were high on him in this range? I could see Wizards, OKC or Pelicans taking him.

Just playing devil's advocate here. The Spurs pick was late, they probably were making calls.

I think that is entirely fair and rational way to look at it.

Not speaking for anyone else but me though: Spurs FO hasn’t earned that benefit of the doubt from me to assume that stuff. They have shown a stunning lack of direction and creativity in my opinion. They are a major outlier with regards to trade frequency. Either they are hated and no one will even deal with them or they have no vision and can’t agree on what path to take so they do bare minimum.

If SA had been a savvy team and been solid with asset management over the last few years I dont think this move in isolation would stand out. But when coupled with all that has gone in the last few years? It raises more flags for me and gives me great pause.

And if what you say is true with regards to teams being unusually willing to trade out of the draft? Why not go ahead and do what HOU did and buy a pick with so many guys left that seemed worthy of a pick and could help positions of need?

[Spursfanfromafar]

So terribly disappointed that the Spurs had Moody, Kispert & Sengun to choose from and yet went on to reach for Primo. At worst they could have chosen one of the three and traded down with another asset for Primo and get another young player in the bargain. Houston was desperate to load up early. They could have been a good trade partner with two picks in the 20s, but no :(, Brian Wright & co. have yet again been conservative on the trade front. The BW era so far has been poor on the trade front, probably among the worst in the league in the last five years and its redeeming quality was Drafting, but this pick and how it played out puts a question mark on the drafting front as well.

It remains to be seen if BW & co will redeem themselves at least in Free Agency by getting some value for Derozan in a S&T, getting a fruitful FA like John Collins and/or using cap space innovatively to either get picks or hoard it enough to get a run again in FA next year. If the FO is conservative again and the Spurs are mired in the 9-12 range yet again in the Western Conference, it will again be the worst of both worlds next year with the Spurs stuck in mediocrity without a way out.

I just hope that the B+ talent in the team - Murray, White, Keldon, Jakob, Vassell - dont lose heart and continue to develop. One or two of them becoming A- will be a major boost next season with more FAs in play.

[John B]

All of them have a legit #1

spurs have injury plagued white and djm:lol still i bet some here will argue spurs core is better somehow

I think we added athletic SG/SF who can create proper spacing. I'm hoping the PATFO is not done yet. There's hopefully a S&T on Demar (I was hoping we got at least a pick on this. Garuba would be a great project at #23)

Hopefully we are still on the hunt for John Collins

[Mr. Body]

While I agree with the sentiment that they should have traded down and picked Primo plus another asset, are we sure there could have been a deal to be made at all? It seems like after Bouknight was taken 11 teams weren't looking to trade up, but trade down or trade out. It seems most teams didn't like this draft much.

The only team that traded up was Houston, taking 16 for 2 future firsts. Notice that Presti didn't want 23 and 24 in this draft but two heavily protected future firsts via Was and Det, which could turn into 2nd rounders. OKC and NY traded down and out, Lakers traded out. Based on this let's assume the realistic deal was Houston's 23 and 24 for 12. In this case would Primo be there? Perhaps they got wind from some team or teams who were high on him in this range? I could see Wizards, OKC or Pelicans taking him.

Just playing devil's advocate here. The Spurs pick was late, they probably were making calls.

Some of us were talking about this elsewhere. I don't think there was a chance to trade down where they felt safe they could still pick him. The trade possibilities were OKC and NYK, as you say. OKC didn't really want to go up and NYK traded out. I don't think people valued the #12 pick. Plus if Primo was rising on team boards, then they had to get him, I suppose.

There's a sense I have that if the draft was another week off, Primo might have started emerging in the media boards. They always seem to lag. For example, only in the last several days did Ziaire Williams start appearing in the top 10. He was way down for a long time.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Not speaking for anyone else but me though: Spurs FO hasn’t earned that benefit of the doubt from me to assume that stuff. They have shown a stunning lack of direction and creativity in my opinion. They are a major outlier with regards to trade frequency. Either they are hated and no one will even deal with them or they have no vision and can’t agree on what path to take so they do bare minimum.

I think there's truth in both statements.

[toki9]

From the Athletic write up of Josh Primo:

"Oats actually knows a third thing about the San Antonio’s latest draft pick: Primo is tough as hell. He sprained his MCL — it looked much worse than that — when his left knee buckled during the SEC tournament quarterfinals in March. He sat out the next three games but returned to play 40 total minutes against Maryland and UCLA in the NCAA Tournament, producing 16 points and six rebounds during the Tide’s first Sweet 16 run in almost 20 years.

“There was already a lot of NBA buzz about him. He could’ve easily just said, ‘I’m done. I’m going to make sure my stock stays high. I’m not coming back and risking it,’” Oats says. “There was some talk from his camp about shutting him down. But he just did not want to do it. He fought it. He wanted to help his team, and he went all-in with the trainer to get back and play. The fact that he wanted to be part of that run, to be out there with his teammates instead of protecting his own interests, kind of reminds me of Jaylen Waddle for our football team.”

Waddle, a star wide receiver and eventual No. 6 pick in the 2021 NFL Draft, broke his ankle on Oct. 24 last season. He returned to play for the Tide in the national championship game in January."

[DPG21920]

I think there's truth in both statements.

I am leaning that the FO is just a mess more than anything..and needs a change. It’s hard for me to believe they are hated when they have such a wide reaching coaching tree and staff etc..They have a lot of friends all around the league.

The frustration for me lies in a couple of areas:

1. Everyone leaning on the Kawhi left crutch. It’s true. He screwed the Spurs. But NO lost AD and managed it better. Harden forced himself out and HOU managed to give themselves a quicker/better shot at a rebuild. Yes, Kawhi circumstance from a value perspective was different; but it was SA that chose DDR vs rebuild and compounded mistakes and missed opportunities to be honest with themselves

2. The lack of vision/creativity: GS with Curry/Klay/Dray have better picks than SA. Even as they were winning they never took their foot of the gas. They not only got creative as hell with DLO but then took calculated risks trading him for Wiggins to get more draft capital and have a win now team and a.great hedge for their future.

Just look at our own division: Dallas makes a bold move to go get their guy in Luka and it was beautiful.

NO chose young players and picks vs just forcing LA to find “win now vets for us” then make a great bold move to dump bad contracts and still maintain having a lottery pick.

HOU chose to bottom out, took a great low risk high reward gamble on Porter Jr, landed Wood in FA etc…

MEM been nailing drafts and making trades.

Literally our entire division has made trades and taken smart creative gambles and put themselves in a good position despite 2 of them also losing Kawhi level stars.

It’s hard to defend all these little “oh we can’t find a deal” comments when it’s been years and everyone else around is doing it.

[Kurgan]

So what seems better on paper:

Dallas: Luka
MEM: Ja + JJJ + Ziaire
NO: Zion/Ingram (maybe Lonzo)
HOU: Green/Wood/Sengun/Garuba
SA: Murray/White/Keldon/Vassell/Lonnie/Primo

If you were starting a team, how would you rank the cores to build off of?

You forgot Kevin Porter Jr for the Rockets too. Makes Spurs look even worse

[J_Paco]

I still question/hate the pick especially with the other players that were available, but the reasoning is beginning to make a little sense. Drafting Vassell, Jones and now Primo in consecutive years allows the team to re - set the timeline and possibly begin offloading the older guards (for the vaunted draft capital).

I would suspect the first to be offloaded is Lonnie, but it could just as easily be Derrick, DeJounte or (surprise) Keldon.

I think the best thing the team can do now is be very patient with Primo and offload the most expendable piece (again, Lonnie).

My biggest concern is that he could be Afernee Simons 2.0 and only show flashes, yet never really breaking out (thus far).

[J_Paco]

You forgot Kevin Porter Jr for the Rockets too. Makes Spurs look even worse

Green and Porter Jr. are redundant skillset wise and I could easily see him (Kevin) being moved.

[John B]

I'm watching his highlights. He's quite slow. SlowMo 2.0??

He got some serious range though

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I am leaning that the FO is just a mess more than anything..and needs a change. It’s hard for me to believe they are hated when they have such a wide reaching coaching tree and staff etc..They have a lot of friends all around the league.


I don't disagree with you but despite of all of their friends in other FOs they never trade with them. Logically there are reasons for it that go beyond Spurs are outliers who don't trade. Perhaps there's a power vacuum after RC was replaced by Wright, perhaps Wright has no real power, perhaps other teams don't know who makes the decisions. I don't know.

As for the players teams in the Spurs division have - all of them were acquired with their team's own picks after having down years, not due to picks they've traded for. Some of them might become good and successful, but so far they haven't achieved much. Some others will be paid max contracts while taking their teams nowhere.

If the Spurs project to be bad in the next year or two and draft someone like Banchero, Holmgren or Wembanyama they'd be on the same level as them.

[DPG21920]

Spurs need to stop blocking Lonnie or others with low ceiling vets and let them get their value up if they want to trade them…

[DPG21920]

I don't disagree with you but despite of all of their friends in other FOs they never trade with them. Logically there are reasons for it that go beyond Spurs are outliers who don't trade. Perhaps there's a power vacuum after RC was replaced by Wright, perhaps Wright has no real power, perhaps other teams don't know who makes the decisions. I don't know.

As for the players teams in the Spurs division have - all of them were acquired with their team's own picks after having down years, not due to picks they've traded for. Some of them might become good and successful, but so far they haven't achieved much. Some others will be paid max contracts while taking their teams nowhere.

If the Spurs project to be bad in the next year or two and draft someone like Banchero, Holmgren or Wembanyama they'd be on the same level as them.

Sure - Ive said it’s not like SA is in dire spot; it’s just frustrating because they leave so much meat on the proverbial bone and have no direction or creativity.

Dallas traded their pick for Luka. And while it was the other teams own picks, they allowed themselves to get them vs being stubborn and lying to themselves and delaying the inevitable despite having every opportunity SA had to lie to themselves too.

But this is a results business and in any way imaginable SA FO has put SA at the bottom of their division while supposedly having a “goal” and making moves to win. They failed at winning and failed at rebuilding too so far.

[objective]

I am leaning that the FO is just a mess more than anything..and needs a change. It’s hard for me to believe they are hated when they have such a wide reaching coaching tree and staff etc..They have a lot of friends all around the league.

The frustration for me lies in a couple of areas:

1. Everyone leaning on the Kawhi left crutch. It’s true. He screwed the Spurs. But NO lost AD and managed it better. Harden forced himself out and HOU managed to give themselves a quicker/better shot at a rebuild. Yes, Kawhi circumstance from a value perspective was different; but it was SA that chose DDR vs rebuild and compounded mistakes and missed opportunities to be honest with themselves

2. The lack of vision/creativity: GS with Curry/Klay/Dray have better picks than SA. Even as they were winning they never took their foot of the gas. They not only got creative as hell with DLO but then took calculated risks trading him for Wiggins to get more draft capital and have a win now team and a.great hedge for their future.

Just look at our own division: Dallas makes a bold move to go get their guy in Luka and it was beautiful.

NO chose young players and picks vs just forcing LA to find “win now vets for us” then make a great bold move to dump bad contracts and still maintain having a lottery pick.

HOU chose to bottom out, took a great low risk high reward gamble on Porter Jr, landed Wood in FA etc…

MEM been nailing drafts and making trades.

Literally our entire division has made trades and taken smart creative gambles and put themselves in a good position despite 2 of them also losing Kawhi level stars.

It’s hard to defend all these little “oh we can’t find a deal” comments when it’s been years and everyone else around is doing it.

the front office is in shambles, and what's worse is they don't even know it. They think they're doing great.

19 teams made trades on draft night in an attempt to get better. Some in the short term, some long, some trying to work angles on salaries, some trying to get more looks at future drafts.

That the Spurs couldn't or wouldn't do anything is worrisome. The only trades in recent memory they've done have been about making other teams better or doing favors for players who don't want anything to do with the Spurs. The Hill-Kawhi trade was 10 years ago and feels like a century.

[Uriel]

With the Spurs not drafting Sengun, the need for a backup C is more urgent than ever. Is Milutinov available this summer?

[Spurtacular]

Anything better than an F- is generous AF...

I saw one outlet give the pick a C+

But everyone else they were giving grades for was B+ or A+

I think that was their way of giving it an F.

[Spurtacular]

Some of y’all are extra af, spurs are one of the best organizations at drafting in the league. I can understand being upset that they didn’t try to trade back and grab Primo but this kid has a huge ceiling imo

His floor isn't looking good: G League bouncer.

[Arcadian]

:lol Drafting an 18 year-old

[objective]

With the Spurs not drafting Sengun, the need for a backup C is more urgent than ever. Is Milutinov available this summer?

He probably has a buyout in his contract, but last time I saw him talk about his future was him gushing over Moscow and looking forward to next year with CSKA. And last I heard he was rather upset with the Spurs for how they've handled not bringing him over.

Just another Scola situation.

[Spurtacular]

https://twitter.com/draftexpress/status/1408090374036496384?s=21

Here’s some video of Primo during his combine workouts. I’m warming up to this pick.

Reminds me of when Parker would get desperate to show he could dunk. :lol

[objective]

Wisdom from Wright

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1420979087711997953

"Brian Wright says Primo's timeline will be his timeline "

[Spurtacular]

The Wieskamp pick gives this more context. The Spurs probably had both really high on their boards. They probably knew Primo doesn’t make it to the 2nd round and rolled the dice that Wieskamp would be there. If they couldn’t find an offer to trade down with, the only choice left is to take Primo at 12, even if it means getting dumped on by the media/fans. I look forward to seeing summer league.

This is why the Spurs are stupid AF. This isn't a high priority pick no matter how much they like him. Trade down to the 20's and pick up some sh** along with getting your preferred pick.

[Kurgan]

Wisdom from Wright

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1420979087711997953

"Brian Wright says Primo's timeline will be his timeline "

Here's to hoping Brian Wright's timeline ends sometime in the near future

[Spurtacular]

So what seems better on paper:

Dallas: Luka
MEM: Ja + JJJ + Ziaire
NO: Zion/Ingram (maybe Lonzo)
HOU: Green/Wood/Sengun/Garuba
SA: Murray/White/Keldon/Vassell/Lonnie/Primo

If you were starting a team, how would you rank the cores to build off of?

Throw in Samanic while you're at it. Spurs potential is hot garbage. Not one of those guys who has shown flashes isn't expendable IMO.

[flox]

So what seems better on paper:

Dallas: Luka
MEM: Ja + JJJ + Ziaire
NO: Zion/Ingram (maybe Lonzo)
HOU: Green/Wood/Sengun/Garuba
SA: Murray/White/Keldon/Vassell/Lonnie/Primo

If you were starting a team, how would you rank the cores to build off of?
Wake me up when we have a top 5 pick talent on our roster to compare against. Otherwise this comparison is utter bullshit

[PhantomDashCam]

Wisdom from Wright

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1420979087711997953

"Brian Wright says Primo's timeline will be his timeline "

https://ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2015/04/zebo.jpg

[Uriel]

Brian Wright is just the fall guy here. No way this decision was made without RC's blessing :lol

[R. DeMurre]

Took a quick look on Twitter and Insta, and I don't see any Spurs welcoming Primo to the team, other than Dejounte's not-too-friendly emoji post.

[Kurgan]

Wake me up when we have a top 5 pick talent on our roster to compare against. Otherwise this comparison is utter bullshit

That's because Spurs wanted to "compete" instead of blowing it up and wasted three years treadmilling with fake star Dumbar. As DPG mentioned, every other team that lost their superstar are rebuilding a lot quicker than SA because they accepted the inevitable.

[Uriel]

Wright says Primo had the best ceiling of any player available.

https://www.nba.com/spurs/video/teams/spurs/2021/07/30/394814/1627625356286-brian-wright-draft-night-72921-394814

[objective]

Draft guy PD Web

https://twitter.com/abovethebreak3/status/1420975649586663429

"i had a higher grade on joel ayayi than on josh primo, so yeah, the lakers did prettttyyyy well in UDFA."

[Kurgan]

Took a quick look on Twitter and Insta, and I don't see any Spurs welcoming Primo to the team, other than Dejounte's not-too-friendly emoji post.

Primo's a project guard that's years and years away. Taking him 12th signals to the older guards like Murray/White/etc that the front office has no faith in them and are already looking beyond them to the future. No help is coming, get used to losing in a Spurs uniform is the FO's message to them.

[DPG21920]

Wake me up when we have a top 5 pick talent on our roster to compare against. Otherwise this comparison is utter bullshit

Lol you realize the reason SA doesn’t have a top 5 pick is their own doing, right? That’s kind of the point..

[slick'81]

Wright says Primo had the best ceiling of any player available.

https://www.nba.com/spurs/video/teams/spurs/2021/07/30/394814/1627625356286-brian-wright-draft-night-72921-394814


Pretty much what i said. Once bouknight was gonzo spurs took the player they felt had the most "upside" . It is what it is guys

[John B]

https://youtu.be/HbvfuD6YikI

C+ from these guys. But what do they know :lol

[ElNono]

PATFO playing chess while the suckers play checkers... this guy has primo quality written all over him. Just need to add a bit of culture and we have the next patty thrills.

[slick'81]

https://youtu.be/HbvfuD6YikI

C+ from these guys. But what do they know :lol


Draft kings gave us a c which was the lowest of the draft:lol

[Rocalcio]

The good news is that if Gay leaves Samanic will have a lot of playing time.

[Em-City]

surprisingly good post.

[slick'81]

Nbc sports have spurs as losers in this years draft. Heres what they had to say

San Antonio- The Spurs took a flier on Josh Primo at pick 12, and while I have nothing against the kid, this was way too soon. I get it when teams have to grab their guy, but why not trade back? Primo likely would’ve fallen to the end of the first round so I’m not loving the reach. At only 18 years old, I don’t expect Primo to get much run as a rookie but I don’t doubt that the developmental staff will turn him into a nice player.

[tbdog]

The good news is that if Gay leaves Samanic will have a lot of playing time.

Millsap is coming :D

[spurspl]

Wake me up when we have a top 5 pick talent on our roster to compare against. Otherwise this comparison is utter bullshit

no its not, this teams were tanking or trading their assets to get this players and spurs during this time were fighting for playoffs while not having any chance to get there(at max 1st rnd exit, which even didn't happen). And yesterday we wasted a pretty high draft pick for a second rounder guy. that's embarrassing.

[EasyMoney]

Primo might already be the best young shooter on the team. Him and weiskamp.

[ragas]

Love it. You guys need to chill. Let him play a few months, before you throw him under the bus. Spurs going for upside is the right move. Nobody knows, where Primo would have been picked from another team.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Love it. You guys need to chill. Let him play a few months, before you throw him under the bus. Spurs going for upside is the right move. Nobody knows, where Primo would have been picked from another team.

i am fine with the player but the value just isn’t good. Even that I would be okay with but we all know the front office will strike out in FA or even worse pay some over the hill guys some stupid contracts that end up getting bought out. I have 0 faith in PATFO

[Spurtacular]

https://youtu.be/HbvfuD6YikI

C+ from these guys. But what do they know :lol

That's the lowest I saw from them when I was looking at the tiles of their's showing.

The rest were all B+ and A+

:lol Their version of an F.

[Spurtacular]

As a Minnesota Vikings fan, this reminds me of their Christian Ponder pick.

[flox]

That's because Spurs wanted to "compete" instead of blowing it up and wasted three years treadmilling with fake star Dumbar. As DPG mentioned, every other team that lost their superstar are rebuilding a lot quicker than SA because they accepted the inevitable.


Lol you realize the reason SA doesn’t have a top 5 pick is their own doing, right? That’s kind of the point..


no its not, this teams were tanking or trading their assets to get this players and spurs during this time were fighting for playoffs while not having any chance to get there(at max 1st rnd exit, which even didn't happen). And yesterday we wasted a pretty high draft pick for a second rounder guy. that's embarrassing.
Dallas traded two top 10 picks to get Luka which we've never had and he's already coach killed Carsilie. Memphis did nothing but tank. New Orleans only has Ingram because of AD forcing out. Houston has a completely unknown set of prospects plus Wood who was undrafted as a reason and could be the next whiteside, and kpj who could be the next arenas. We have solid players despite never dipping into the A+ tier and one A+ guy makes our core instantly better than theirs. Yall just hating.

Wake me up when we get our A+ guy or if any of the above teams come close to sniffing a championship (none are close right now).

[TheChillFactor]

https://youtu.be/HbvfuD6YikI

C+ from these guys. But what do they know :lol

sad to see one of our legends on a 4th-tier sports network trying to figure out what Pop is doing...lol The Little Genital

[8FOR!3]

Primo won't be in the rotation for about 2 years. He is 18 years old. They obviously know he won't be ready.

Of course he's not ready but we're not exactly ready to contend for anything other than a top 5 pick anyways so why not throw the young guys in and give them minutes early on?

[8FOR!3]

Where's Tre Jones?

I'd like him to develop his skillset in Austin before he's part of the rotation. Bc I think he definitely has backup PG upside.

[Prime BEEF]

Nbc sports have spurs as losers in this years draft. Heres what they had to say

San Antonio- The Spurs took a flier on Josh Primo at pick 12, and while I have nothing against the kid, this was way too soon. I get it when teams have to grab their guy, but why not trade back? Primo likely would’ve fallen to the end of the first round so I’m not loving the reach. At only 18 years old, I don’t expect Primo to get much run as a rookie but I don’t doubt that the developmental staff will turn him into a nice player.
CBS sports has spurs as biggest losers too

[8FOR!3]

Maybe by the time this guy is my age (30) we'll have the next Gary Neal!

[John B]

That's the lowest I saw from them when I was looking at the tiles of their's showing.

The rest were all B+ and A+

:lol Their version of an F.

It was the lowest. And the grade would’ve been lower had it not been the Spurs, with our history of selecting good players. :lol


I mean Avery summed it up. It’s a “long-term play for the Spurs with plenty of guys ahead of him in the line.” He’s a project basically. But nobody does a project with the 12th pick. I mean the kid is great if we were selecting at 26th. But there’s the rationale that teams are not trading up to 10-20, and see more value at 20-30 picks.

Still, to pick another Guards when there is a positional need for a 4-5 who can facilitate. Sengun and my favorite Jalen Johnson. Now, I have to expect that there’s a play for Collins or Simmons (hopefully and not just Lauri) as part of the building blocks. PATFO better wow me with their next moves. Our selections could be solid spacers who can depend, very athletic, now they need to bring a big man and I would grade this off-season higher.

[John B]

Love it. You guys need to chill. Let him play a few months, before you throw him under the bus. Spurs going for upside is the right move. Nobody knows, where Primo would have been picked from another team.

Yeah, not at 12 :lol

[Mr. Body]

Dallas traded two top 10 picks to get Luka which we've never had and he's already coach killed Carsilie. Memphis did nothing but tank. New Orleans only has Ingram because of AD forcing out. Houston has a completely unknown set of prospects plus Wood who was undrafted as a reason and could be the next whiteside, and kpj who could be the next arenas. We have solid players despite never dipping into the A+ tier and one A+ guy makes our core instantly better than theirs. Yall just hating.

Wake me up when we get our A+ guy or if any of the above teams come close to sniffing a championship (none are close right now).

This is spot on. Dallas is stuck in a semi-death spiral despite a generational talent. Memphis is drafting exceptionally well, but they tanked and tanked and tanked and then turned it out when they got Ja. They look good, but still won't ever be contenders. NOP won the lottery, literally, but still have messy pieces and still may see Zion leave. Don't even know who else I think is really good on that roster. Brandon Ingram is horribly overrated. Houston had a terrific draft, but KPJ is a fucking nutjob and won't last and the rest are questionable in fit and quality.

[SAGirl]

https://twitter.com/realtompetrini/status/1420977632238211075?s=21

Of course the same old “we looked at all options and decided staying put…”. How convenient how SA always does all this due diligence and is so active but never can quite find a deal.

Not concerned about the logjam either huh? Ok.
I think one thing to look out for in the future are combine performance standouts. Samanic was one of them and I think White was another.

I am sure there will be others.

Livio Jean Charles had a terrific performance in a Nike Tournament game for example. He had the game of his life and then was never able to replicate that ever again. Not saying this is LJC or Samanic but performance in these showings is something that apparently gets a lot of weight.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It’s just so interesting how Spurs can somehow never find a deal that makes them better for their future or now. It’s always, we just like what we have.

Now, we can take that on face value. Or we can look around the league and see SA is a massive outlier with regards to trade frequency and question do they really lack vision/courage/plan?

But these obvious bs answers make no sense and make it worse. You can’t say you want to win and make no changes to your roster after missing the playoffs like they did last year. You can say youth has a long run way then block them with vets and crowd the positions so no one has real space to develop.

You can’t say there are other ways to add to the team besides the draft and not have done anything meaningful via trade or asset management and been a disaster in free agency.

None of it makes sense when held up to the slightest bit of scrutiny and as the results have deteriorated the actions have not changed at all. It’s bad.

Again, they at least are forced to face somewhat of a reality (until they sign DDR again) and they have flexibility but this FO has fallen off so hard and they need to prove they have something of value to add to this team.


They don't have to face reality. Anyone who challenges them in the SA media, Pop has blackballed. So no one challenges.

And they apparently have a very real echo chamber between the senile old fool and his diversity hire GM. Death sentence for the future of this franchise.

[Chinook]

Primo has a legit chance to be a back-up PG for the Spurs in the Mills mold. Again, his only competition currently signed for that role is Tre Jones. Josh has to physically develop to be a starting two-guard, but he can be a bench shooter immediately. If Patty is re-signed, then yes, Primo will be in Austin for at least a year. If he's not, I expect him and Wieskamp to get earlier shots than STers seem to be insisting on.

[SpursforSix]

:pop: I've got 5 rings you fags.

[Mr. Body]

Can we stop attacking Brian Wright about his race? The homophobia on this board was bad enough. Y'all coming off as a bunch of idiot yokels.

[Mr. Body]

:pop: I've got 5 rings you fags.

Case in point.

[Leetonidas]

I can only hope this is the beginning of major roster changes coming up soon. The Spurs need to quit wasting guys' time in Austin and let them play with the big boys. Hopefully Spurs trade one of White/Murray and let Mills go so this kid can get some real action this year. He looks like a really smooth offensive player and I like his shot and quick release but still, can't believe Spurs didn't trade down, no one else was picking this kid in the 1st round

[DPG21920]

So now it looks like we may have players upset. Murray acting upset?

All at a time where they should have been feeling great and excited about their chance to shine and Sa having tons of cap space. Instead? Everyone pissed. Players. Fans. How did SA mess things up so badly so far.

Watch them whiff on Collins and give Lauri multiple years at 15-20M.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I think one thing to look out for in the future are combine performance standouts. Samanic was one of them and I think White was another.

I am sure there will be others.

Livio Jean Charles had a terrific performance in a Nike Tournament game for example. He had the game of his life and then was never able to replicate that ever again. Not saying this is LJC or Samanic but performance in these showings is something that apparently gets a lot of weight.

It's what you'd expect from a front office that doesn't know how to scout outside of the combine. I bet there's guys from other teams that post up in ear shot of Wright now and just throw out shit names for him to bite on.

[R. DeMurre]

I did a quick check last night, and other than Dejounte's seemingly not-too-happy emoji post, couldn't find a single welcoming thing on social media from any of the young Spurs... Has anyone else seen anything?

[SAGirl]

Primo might already be the best young shooter on the team. Him and weiskamp.
I like a lot that they took shooters.
Right there looking at shooters is paying attention to the team needs. Now it’s possible he was not absolute BPA bc they never considered Sengun since shooting was priority 1.
But Wright also saw him as a PG bc of passes and plays he made at the combine. That raises his ceiling. His college stats had him with more TO than assists and he didn’t play PG so I am confused but three things to like are how young he is, he can already shoot and there may be untapped potential as a PG there.

I really like him after all. I honestly think the Grizzlies had the worst draft bc they traded a very productive player (JV) to take a guy that likely would have fallen to 17 anyways! They wanted to trade higher so I know they weren’t even able to get the guy they really wanted. And Ziaire also is a couple of years away, just on needing to add strength alone, and he’s one year older than Primo. It was a very risky gamble on upside for Memphis.

[SAGirl]

Primo has a legit chance to be a back-up PG for the Spurs in the Mills mold. Again, his only competition currently signed for that role is Tre Jones. Josh has to physically develop to be a starting two-guard, but he can be a bench shooter immediately. If Patty is re-signed, then yes, Primo will be in Austin for at least a year. If he's not, I expect him and Wieskamp to get earlier shots than STers seem to be insisting on.
I think they drafted on need. Two shooters is evidently a draft where shooting was the priority. They may get run early. Hopefully.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I am leaning that the FO is just a mess more than anything..and needs a change. It’s hard for me to believe they are hated when they have such a wide reaching coaching tree and staff etc..They have a lot of friends all around the league.

The frustration for me lies in a couple of areas:

1. Everyone leaning on the Kawhi left crutch. It’s true. He screwed the Spurs. But NO lost AD and managed it better. Harden forced himself out and HOU managed to give themselves a quicker/better shot at a rebuild. Yes, Kawhi circumstance from a value perspective was different; but it was SA that chose DDR vs rebuild and compounded mistakes and missed opportunities to be honest with themselves

2. The lack of vision/creativity: GS with Curry/Klay/Dray have better picks than SA. Even as they were winning they never took their foot of the gas. They not only got creative as hell with DLO but then took calculated risks trading him for Wiggins to get more draft capital and have a win now team and a.great hedge for their future.

Just look at our own division: Dallas makes a bold move to go get their guy in Luka and it was beautiful.

NO chose young players and picks vs just forcing LA to find “win now vets for us” then make a great bold move to dump bad contracts and still maintain having a lottery pick.

HOU chose to bottom out, took a great low risk high reward gamble on Porter Jr, landed Wood in FA etc…

MEM been nailing drafts and making trades.

Literally our entire division has made trades and taken smart creative gambles and put themselves in a good position despite 2 of them also losing Kawhi level stars.

It’s hard to defend all these little “oh we can’t find a deal” comments when it’s been years and everyone else around is doing it.

And as we saw last night, Atlanta traded Reddish and their 20 to move up to 16. Think they wouldn't have traded for the 12? We could have had Primo at 20 and gotten a young ascending SF that would at least be a rotational backup in Reddish.

Instead we get Brian Wright patting himself on the back about how they got their guy at freaking 12 while ignoring the value of the 12th pick. Dude just sucks ass at his job.

[Leetonidas]

And as we saw last night, Atlanta traded Reddish and their 20 to move up to 16. Think they wouldn't have traded for the 12? We could have had Primo at 20 and gotten a young ascending SF that would at least be a rotational backup in Reddish.

Instead we get Brian Wright patting himself on the back about how they got their guy at freaking 12 while ignoring the value of the 12th pick. Dude just sucks ass at his job.

Pretty sure the 16th pick was traded to Houston and Atlanta kept their pick and Reddish

[Leetonidas]

And as we saw last night, Atlanta traded Reddish and their 20 to move up to 16. Think they wouldn't have traded for the 12? We could have had Primo at 20 and gotten a young ascending SF that would at least be a rotational backup in Reddish.

Instead we get Brian Wright patting himself on the back about how they got their guy at freaking 12 while ignoring the value of the 12th pick. Dude just sucks ass at his job.

Pretty sure the 16th pick was traded to Houston and Atlanta kept their pick and Reddish

[acoelho1]

Wright mentioned that the mocks don't always coincide with the intel so it's clear they were concerned that a move back in the draft could risk them losing Primo. I'm pretty excited about this pick given the other talent on the board and it's clear they are very high on him which Wright confirmed that they thought he had the highest upside of any prospect left on the board. Plus he's only 18 and starting for a major conference at Alabama. People were clamoring on here for the Spurs to take a risk and now you complain about it because the mocks didn't have Primo going this high. I definitely trust the Spurs scouting given their history to find talent over armchair GMs.

My only issue with the Spurs is will they allow this young nucleus to play, learn and make mistakes. I think trying to bring back DDR would be a huge mistake and let's hope he decides to go else where. I not too concerned about all the guards since they are in the best asset collection mode. Let's see if one of these guys can make a leap. I'm still high on many of these guys but Pop has to loosen the reigns a bit to allow them show their full potential.

[Dejounte]

It’s insane how much misinformation gets spread when people are outraged. Players are not upset, literally six Spurs players followed Primo on social media right after he was drafted. Lonnie made an uplifting statement about Primo in an interview.

[Mr. Body]

And as we saw last night, Atlanta traded Reddish and their 20 to move up to 16. Think they wouldn't have traded for the 12? We could have had Primo at 20 and gotten a young ascending SF that would at least be a rotational backup in Reddish.

Instead we get Brian Wright patting himself on the back about how they got their guy at freaking 12 while ignoring the value of the 12th pick. Dude just sucks ass at his job.

Why do you want Cam Reddish? Atlanta is trying to get rid of him.

[Russ]

Look at the bright side.

At least we were spared the usual "We can't believe he fell to . . ."

[Kurik]

I think one thing to look out for in the future are combine performance standouts. Samanic was one of them and I think White was another.

I am sure there will be others.

Livio Jean Charles had a terrific performance in a Nike Tournament game for example. He had the game of his life and then was never able to replicate that ever again. Not saying this is LJC or Samanic but performance in these showings is something that apparently gets a lot of weight.

I totally understand the appeal of using the combine to evaluate fringe first round talent but does anyone in the lottery ever play in the combine? If Moody or Sengun played in the combine they probably look like top 5 picks in comparison.

And this is not directed at you but just frustrated at the FO. I think the funny thing is they may have been looking at Primo as a second round pick at first and decided he was worthy of #12.

[R. DeMurre]

It’s insane how much misinformation gets spread when people are outraged. Players are not upset, literally six Spurs players followed Primo on social media right after he was drafted. Lonnie made an uplifting statement about Primo in an interview.

I'm not outraged in the least. I asked a simple question, and you answered it sideways, saying players followed Primo on social media and Lonnie said something in an interview. I was simply asking if there had been any actual posts, because I hadn't seen any.

[Degoat]

I did a quick check last night, and other than Dejounte's seemingly not-too-happy emoji post, couldn't find a single welcoming thing on social media from any of the young Spurs... Has anyone else seen anything?

I did see DWhite & Lonnie started following Primo on Instagram

[ducks]

Can we stop attacking Brian Wright about his race? The homophobia on this board was bad enough. Y'all coming off as a bunch of idiot yokels.

Are you ok if spurs fire him ?

[Dejounte]

I'm not outraged in the least. I asked a simple question, and you answered it sideways, saying players followed Primo on social media and Lonnie said something in an interview. I was simply asking if there had been any actual posts, because I hadn't seen any.

It wasn’t primarily directed towards you.

But it’s not farfetched to say guys have reached out to him privately. I don’t think everything has to be displayed on social media.

[DPG21920]

It’s insane how much misinformation gets spread when people are outraged. Players are not upset, literally six Spurs players followed Primo on social media right after he was drafted. Lonnie made an uplifting statement about Primo in an interview.

Lmfao at YOU of all people with this statement with your “Spurs to Austin :cry “ bullsh*t. Sit all the way the hell down

[R. DeMurre]

I did see DWhite & Lonnie started following Primo on Instagram

Following someone is the easiest move on social media. I followed him on Instagram last night too. I'd expect at half a dozen warm welcoming posts about a new teammate joining the ranks, and I haven't seen that. Just an observation.

[R. DeMurre]

It wasn’t primarily directed towards you.

But it’s not farfetched to say guys have reached out to him privately. I don’t think everything has to be displayed on social media.

Again, I made a simple point that I couldn't find any welcoming social media posts from current players... so reaching out privately, & the rest might be nice, but my point still stands. If anyone's overreacting to a completely reasonable conversation here, it's you.

[Russ]

I totally understand the appeal of using the combine to evaluate fringe first round talent but does anyone in the lottery ever play in the combine?

You have to wonder if the combine was more important this time due to inability to scout as many games across the country. If so, hopefully that situation will change before the next draft.

[Dejounte]

Again, I made a simple point that I couldn't find any welcoming social media posts from current players... so reaching out privately, & the rest might be nice, but my point still stands. If anyone's overreacting to a completely reasonable conversation here, it's you.

and again, the post was not directed towards you. What point exactly is there to say about players who haven’t posted about the selection? No one posted about Keldon and Luka when they were drafted.

[Dejounte]

Lmfao at YOU of all people with this statement with your “Spurs to Austin :cry “ bullsh*t. Sit all the way the hell down

go back to the cave where you came from, seriously.

[DPG21920]

go back to the cave where you came from, seriously.

Cry harder.

[Dejounte]

Cry harder.

lmao what youve been doing the past few days is exactly that. No one is holding you hostage to a team you despise.

[R. DeMurre]

and again, the post was not directed towards you. What point exactly is there to say about players who haven’t posted about the selection? No one posted about Keldon and Luka when they were drafted.


Ok. I get that it's just a coincidence that my post was a few before yours and the only one mentioning this topic, but I'll take you at your word that it had nothing to do with me. Cheers, and here's to a future of calm, open, & honest discussions about basketball.

[DPG21920]

lmao what youve been doing the past few days is exactly that. No one is holding you hostage to a team you despise.

You are spreading Austin FUD.

What I’m doing and have been doing is generating real questions that need answers. Im plenty optimistic in many areas of the team and only once timvp says something similar do you give it any credence because that’s what you do.

I can’t wait for Uncle and Auntie to retire and the site is mine - you’re so gone :lol

[Dejounte]

You are spreading Austin FUD.

What I’m doing and have been doing is generating real questions that need answers. Im plenty optimistic in many areas of the team and only once timvp says something similar do you give it any credence because that’s what you do.

I can’t wait for Uncle and Auntie to retire and the site is mine - you’re so gone :lol

what the fuck are you talking about? You’re so out of touch about who I am and what I’m about, and I could care less… you’re just spreading more misinformation to where it’s just gibberish at this point

[DPG21920]

Keep it up ^ ban soon

















Just kidding. Some old inside joke. But seriously. Ban soon

[RC_Drunkford]

It’s insane how much misinformation gets spread when people are outraged. Players are not upset, literally six Spurs players followed Primo on social media right after he was drafted. Lonnie made an uplifting statement about Primo in an interview.

says the guy who thinks people‘s shoe color is an indication of them getting drafted by the Spurs :lol

[DPG21920]

says the guy who thinks people‘s shoe color is an indication of them getting drafted by the Spurs :lol

Exactly :lol

Then there is this: talks about spreading mis information and posts about Austin being inevitable because of a watch party.


CR1jgyVr00g

In another post, it says “Spurs fam, RSVP to one of our watch parties in San Antonio or Austin at the link in our bio!”

[Dejounte]

says the guy who thinks people‘s shoe color is an indication of them getting drafted by the Spurs :lol

if y’all took that seriously, I don’t know what to tell you

again, this dpg clown takes my posts at face value and needs to go back to his cave like he always does when the season starts. Literally digging up my old posts and wasting time. What a joke

[SpursforSix]

if y’all took that seriously, I don’t know what to tell you

again, this dpg clown takes my posts at face value and needs to go back to his cave like he always does when the season starts. Literally digging up my old posts and wasting time. What a joke

:pop: quit being a pussy

[Dejounte]

:pop: quit being a pussy

:lmao

[DPG21920]

if y’all took that seriously, I don’t know what to tell you

again, this dpg clown takes my posts at face value and needs to go back to his cave like he always does when the season starts. Literally digging up my old posts and wasting time. What a joke

“Old posts :lol”

Was a thread like a day ago lol

[KobesAchilles]

All I know is this better have lit a fire under Lonnie’s ass. If the B plays all passive again then he is out and we already have our replacements in Vassell and Primo. Perfect transition tbh.

Also Dejounte better learn how to shoot/take/and make more 3s or his ass is gone too a couple of years from now. I have no doubt we can teach this kid to run an offense better than DJ runs it. Hell a brick wall could learn it better than DJ. Combine that with his shooting and all of a sudden we have our guards again.

Tank next year, get our generational talent. Still have the locker room and the culture that places like Hou/Dal/ and NO don’t have and we are back to our winning ways in 3 years.

[BackHome]

We need a hard tank this season and hopefully some luck in getting number 1 pick - If we get anything higher then 4 I think we have to go hard for another tank am thinking two years two studs and we back in business

[DPG21920]

We need a hard tank this season and hopefully some luck in getting number 1 pick - If we get anything higher then 4 I think we have to go hard for another tank am thinking two years two studs and we back in business

Spurs have an insane amount of cap space and decent youth. They absolutely should be aggressive and opportunistic I’m trying to be a part of trades to improve this team. It’s not just via the draft.

[baseline bum]

Spurs have an insane amount of cap space and decent youth. They absolutely should be aggressive and opportunistic I’m trying to be a part of trades to improve this team. It’s not just via the draft.

Meh Keldon and Dejonte are starting level talents, and that's about it for the Spurs' youth.

[DPG21920]

Meh Keldon and Dejonte are starting level talents, and that's about it for the Spurs' youth.

Disagree. The FO crowding the team with no ceiling vets with high usage masked the youth some and while I agree on no all stars there are multiple solid rotational players - maybe starters.

[Mr. Body]

We need a hard tank this season and hopefully some luck in getting number 1 pick - If we get anything higher then 4 I think we have to go hard for another tank am thinking two years two studs and we back in business

If the Spurs get the number 1 pick next year, they'll draft someone in the 10-15 range. "That's our guy. Nice personality."

[Mr. Body]

Meh Keldon and Dejonte are starting level talents, and that's about it for the Spurs' youth.

White continues to be the best player on the Spurs when he's playing.

When he's playing.

[baseline bum]

White continues to be the best player on the Spurs when he's playing.

When he's playing.

Agreed, but he's 27. Not really youth.

[baseline bum]

Disagree. The FO crowding the team with no ceiling vets with high usage masked the youth some and while I agree on no all stars there are multiple solid rotational players - maybe starters.

Walker got a lot of minutes and had a terrible season. Another one like that and he can go play in China or something. Samanic and Vassell are just hopes and wishes out of the blue.

[R. DeMurre]

Also Dejounte better learn how to shoot/take/and make more 3s or his ass is gone too a couple of years from now. I have no doubt we can teach this kid to run an offense better than DJ runs it. Hell a brick wall could learn it better than DJ. Combine that with his shooting and all of a sudden we have our guards again.



I'm rooting for this kid because he's a Spur now, but I'd be lying if I said I had no doubts... The first stat that leapt out at me was his assists-per-game number, which starts with the number "0" and ends with ".8" :lol... 0.8 apg and 1.4 TOpg in 22.5 mpg doesn't scream future playmaker/director of offense to me.

[DPG21920]

Walker got a lot of minutes and had a terrible season. Another one like that and he can go play in China or something. Samanic and Vassell are just hopes and wishes out of the blue.

Lonnie got jerked around a lot imo. Some of it falls on him but he deserves a more consistent role to see what he’s got. Big year for him but I can see him traded too.

[RC_Drunkford]

my main concern with Primo is that he's slow footed and unathletic. Reminds me of a certain guy with a big head that used to play here. I get that he's 18, but so is Sengun and he was MVP in the turkish league. Spurs are trying to takeover the Timberwolves as dumbest FO in the league I guess

[Prime BEEF]

If the Spurs get the number 1 pick next year, they'll draft someone in the 10-15 range. "That's our guy. Nice personality."
This

[Prime BEEF]

my main concern with Primo is that he's slow footed and unathletic. Reminds me of a certain guy with a big head that used to play here. I get that he's 18, but so is Sengun and he was MVP in the turkish league. Spurs are trying to takeover the Timberwolves as dumbest FO in the league I guess
As much as the board made fun of him Big head has had a much better career than primo will have imo.

We’ll have to wait until after the free agency period to take the award from the twolves but I think it will be a close call. Which really sucks for spurs fans

[Mnky]

my main concern with Primo is that he's slow footed and unathletic. Reminds me of a certain guy with a big head that used to play here. I get that he's 18, but so is Sengun and he was MVP in the turkish league. Spurs are trying to takeover the Timberwolves as dumbest FO in the league I guess

He does look oddly unathletic on tape, but I think that's just his thing. He is athletic, not elite, but a good athlete. Which is weird because he looks the opposite of explosive in half the highlights ive seen.. I definitely don't got a read on it yet.

I'm hoping that slow movement is more of a cp3 harden type pace of just breaking people down and using leverage. Kid is seriously game smart. Was impressed with a couple of his tape interviews.

That pace he has bothers me tho. I need to see him against NBA players to be able to tell if it's a legit concern or not.

[RC_Drunkford]

Yeah he’s very skilled for his age. But that slow first step is a concern especially for a guard. A Harden-esque game would suit him. Definitely needs to add muscle.

[Play Boban]

The Spurs will probably never draft a white again.

[Dverde]

I feel the Spurs played it safe last year with more of a sure thing. This year they took a big swing at potential, I hope it works out. Just not feeling this kid…but gotta give it two years to really see what he can be.

[poopbox]

Shaken by the pick of Primo? I'm still stunned by the pick but, big picture, it's not a huge deal. Yeah, they probably could have traded down and added an asset but if he was the player they really wanted, then just picking him isn't something that will shake my faith in their drafting ability. We'll see if we get any info about how high he was on the board, if they considered trading back, etc.

What the Spurs do in free agency could shake my faith, though. I was never on the "trade DeRozan and Aldridge for something, anything :cry" bandwagon but they need to be smart this summer. This is definitely a summer where things can go off the rails and cause me to completely lose faith.

What other bandwagon was there to be on when it came to Derozan and Aldridge ? Now both are about to be gone and we got nothing for them, while they also provided nothing for us but 1st round canon fodder tbh...

Spurs have always had this problem of getting rid of a player 3 years after they should have gotten rid of him.
Ask me again in a week, tbh.

[TD 21]

If there was any doubt that Walker IV's days were numbered, this ended it (not that Primo has any chance of being a rotation player for 1 and probably 2 seasons).

Unfortunately, they're so clueless that instead of cashing him in for whatever he can fetch like the Pacers did Holiday or packaging him in a trade they won't make because they're perpetually constipated, they'll let him walk in free agency next off season.

[duncan2150]

If there was any doubt that Walker IV's days were numbered, this ended it (not that Primo has any chance of being a rotation player for 1 and probably 2 seasons).

Unfortunately, they're so clueless that instead of cashing him in for whatever he can fetch like the Pacers did Holiday or packaging him in a trade they won't make because they're perpetually constipated, they'll let him walk in free agency next off season.

I think that's the opposite, having Primo who will play mostly on G league will give Walker at least the same role as last year and if the season goes well, the plan can change.

[TD 21]

I think that's the opposite, having Primo who will play mostly on G league will give Walker at least the same role as last year and if the season goes well, the plan can change.

Right, but he'd have to make a quantum leap, which I no longer believe he's capable of and I don't believe the organization does either.

[objective]

If there was any doubt that Walker IV's days were numbered, this ended it (not that Primo has any chance of being a rotation player for 1 and probably 2 seasons).

Unfortunately, they're so clueless that instead of cashing him in for whatever he can fetch like the Pacers did Holiday or packaging him in a trade they won't make because they're perpetually constipated, they'll let him walk in free agency next off season.

Holiday is much worse than Walker, but with the Spurs front office I'm not expecting anything back.

Probably will pull the qualifying offer so Lonnie can go wherever.

[rascal]

They should have drafted him with their 2nd round pick if they wanted him and taken a better prospect with their first.

[rascal]

Woj just reported, that the Pacers where highly interested in Primo with the 13th pick, so we had to take him there.

J/k, even Woj never heard of this kid.

Pacers played the Spurs into a reach pick.

[Mr. Body]

Pacers played the Spurs into a reach pick.

I don't think so. I legitimately think the Pacers were gunning for him there.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I don't think so. I legitimately think the Pacers were gunning for him there.

Why do you think that?

[rascal]

Spurs drafted a three year project at 12 and passed NBA ready players.

[rascal]

Sure - Ive said it’s not like SA is in dire spot; it’s just frustrating because they leave so much meat on the proverbial bone and have no direction or creativity.

Dallas traded their pick for Luka. And while it was the other teams own picks, they allowed themselves to get them vs being stubborn and lying to themselves and delaying the inevitable despite having every opportunity SA had to lie to themselves too.

But this is a results business and in any way imaginable SA FO has put SA at the bottom of their division while supposedly having a “goal” and making moves to win. They failed at winning and failed at rebuilding too so far.

I knew when Duncan retired the front office would be exposed as not being all that great. Way too conservative and fearful to pull the trigger on trades.

[Chinook]

To be clear, the thing about Woj saying the Pacers wanted him was a joke.

[slick'81]

Why do you think that?

apparently jalen rose thought it was the pacers pick and not spurs. Therefore the pacers must have wanted primo at13

[rascal]

Moses Moody was the better pick at 12

[tim_duncan_fan]

apparently jalen rose thought it was the pacers pick and not spurs. Therefore the pacers must have wanted primo at13

Interesting. I just wish I could have more faith. The office loved Samanic enough to reach for him too.

[objective]

To be clear, the thing about Woj saying the Pacers wanted him was a joke.

Yeah, people falling for it is pretty funny

Even if it was true, Kevin Pritchard has been pretty bad the past few years, if he wanted Primo that's enough reason to pass. Aaron Holiday, TJ Leaf ... Come on

[The Truth #6]

Interesting analysis that helps one take a few steps away from the cliff:

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2021/7/14/22569196/2021-nba-draft-scouting-report-joshua-primo-analysis-video-highlights-fit-with-atlanta-hawks

What struck me is that he played almost completely off the ball this season. I think GMs like that he had some production while being the 5th option, and when combined with his genial personality, they feel content with a player like him. I suppose what I'm wondering or suggesting is that GMs like him for his potential for upside but his low potential for drama and the fact that he will come into the league already used to having to be a role player. If true, it's sort of a convoluted way to get on board with Primo, and maybe this is only my speculation, very likely is just that, but the fact that GMs seem to get warm fuzzies around him and people constantly talk about character as a positive attribute with him makes me think that GMs need players who will not be headaches and get them fired.

Now the irony is that we completely reached for him, even with a positive outlook on his future, but perhaps he is a player the FO can feel content with in regards to the intangibles of team building. And so, maybe the Spurs FO does privately acknowledge that we will suck next year and have a higher pick and an actual chance for a more sure thing, and so they drafted a role player this year even though we all were looking for a star.

Of course wild speculation, but what else can one do to pierce the veil of secrecy of the FO. It's like living in East Berlin in the 1960s. Whispers, rumors, conspiracies. Just all speculation.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I've just watched a couple of interviews. I'll say this, and I hate when people say this about black people, but he sounds highly intelligent. Not just a chill guy, but high IQ.

Also, spotting up or off a dribble, his 3-ball comes out quick.

Bad side: he's not an athlete.

[Spurtacular]

It was the lowest. And the grade would’ve been lower had it not been the Spurs, with our history of selecting good players. :lol


I mean Avery summed it up. It’s a “long-term play for the Spurs with plenty of guys ahead of him in the line.” He’s a project basically. But nobody does a project with the 12th pick. I mean the kid is great if we were selecting at 26th. But there’s the rationale that teams are not trading up to 10-20, and see more value at 20-30 picks.

Still, to pick another Guards when there is a positional need for a 4-5 who can facilitate. Sengun and my favorite Jalen Johnson. Now, I have to expect that there’s a play for Collins or Simmons (hopefully and not just Lauri) as part of the building blocks. PATFO better wow me with their next moves. Our selections could be solid spacers who can depend, very athletic, now they need to bring a big man and I would grade this off-season higher.

1. I agree that it's not very good to do project picks in the top fourteen. Spurs should've traded down to wherever and still likely gotten this guy along with some flexibility or added value in the short and long term.

2. I can at least see the rationale of picking this guy; him growing into his body and progressing and what not; but it's looking like a shaky pick on top of it all.

3. I don't think the position matters much if you're looking more than two seasons down the road.