Spurs Select G Joe Wieskamp in the 2021 NBA Draft (41st Overall)

[BatManu20]

Hell yea another Guard let’s go. He’s a sharpshooter at least.

:lobt2:




https://youtu.be/jD-oz_RXJJI

[ace3g]

Our Duncan Robinson?

[dbestpro]

Hell yea another Guard let’s go.

:lobt2:

At least this guard can hit his three point shot.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

fuck this sport

[slick'81]

Another sg:lol

[Kurgan]

22 years old and he's still a string bean. I question his work ethic if he's still hasn't put on muscle by that age

[Kurik]

It’s a good pick in the second round.

[vy65]

who gives a fuck?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Good pick tbh.

[SPURt]

I like this pick… 6’8 shooter, why not… I guess

[NASpurs]

They have to be going all in on Collins.

[MultiTroll]

Yawn.
Under pressure contested 3's?

Haven't seen it.

[Chinook]

No reason to be upset with this pick. He'll probably be a rotational forward within a year. After Queta went off the board, I stopped caring, but this was fine

[BatManu20]

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[RC_Drunkford]

They have to be going all in on DeRozan.

FIFY

[timvp]

Like this pick, tbh. Tested as a really good athlete with surprising length. Shooting stroke looks really good -- I've seen arguments that he could be the best shooter in the draft.

His issues are that he's soft and that he never really uses his athleticism or length to his advantage. If the Spurs can toughen him up, he could have a career as a floor spacer.

[Kurik]

Yawn.
Under pressure contested 3's?

Haven't seen it.

Plenty in OPs video.

[slick'81]

I like this pick… 6’8 shooter, why not… I guess


Hes 6'6 but if he can play a lil sf then its better then nothing i guess

[Robz4000]

Better than the fucking Primo pick at least, but the Spurs have a million guards.

[Dennis the Menace]

Better than Samanic and Weatherspoon.

I actually like this considering the circumstances. Soft 4 who is lights out from 3

[mexicanjunior]

Who cares, this draft was destined for the recycle bin as soon as they wasted #12.

[Darius Bieber]

Austin Spur anyways. Probably will be a bust and out of the league in a few years anyways

[Russ]

He looks like Kispert without the self-satisfied smirk.

[Degoat]

Think he’ll be a two way contract guy or an actual nba contract guy

[BackHome]

It’s a good pick in the second round.

Yep been a fan since day one he was my favorite player in the second if we did not land Wagner. I had a feeling that I was going to be disappointed in first round but happy with the second pick.

[BackHome]

Another sg:lol

He is legit and he is a SF his measurements are 6”7.25 height with a 6’11 wingspan who is athletic and can hit the 3 ball.

[BackHome]

It’s a good pick in the second round.

Yep been a fan since day one he was my favorite player in the second if we did not land Wagner. I had a feeling that I was going to be disappointed in first round but happy with the second pick.

[Russ]

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From what I can see, he hits every shot he takes!

[Kurik]

I’m disappointed in the lack of a player thread for Joe. The Primo pick really did break a lot of hearts and brains tonight.

[Dennis the Menace]

Bertans 2.0

[timvp]

Think he’ll be a two way contract guy or an actual nba contract guy

I'd be really surprised if he took a two-way contract. His stock was high enough that he'll get a real contract -- probably similar to what Tre Jones got.

Only players who would otherwise go undrafted for sure take two-way contracts these days.

[MultiTroll]

Plenty in OPs video.

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.14970d30634c4bfb5b82a187048b6bdf?rik=AvbkeHuS8oI SQw&riu=http%3a%2f%2fderekwinnert.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2014%2f01%2f474.jpg&ehk=xXRqDb LMJw%2fDiPRD%2bh8KH57n0Dpu6L7P%2fkZ%2f4p3wxEY%3d&r isl=&pid=ImgRaw

[SPURt]

Hes 6'6 but if he can play a lil sf then its better then nothing i guess
I thought he measured 6’7 and change at the combine with a 6’11 wingspan? Put up a 42 inch vertical (5th best at combine)

[slick'81]

I thought he measured 6’7 and change at the combine with a 6’11 wingspan? Put up a 42 inch vertical (5th best at combine)

6'6/6,7
Dont care as long as he an help at 3/4 . Love those measurements btw

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Fvck!!

[Atl Spur]

Solid

[John B]

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This guy can shoot, has long hands, step-back 3, can shoot the 3 in transition. Klay 2.0 :lol

Even better, this guy has 42" vertical. Damn this guy's a 3 and D!!

[John B]

6'6/6,7
Dont care as long as he an help at 3/4 . Love those measurements btw

Now this guy could be a steal at 41st. Does he have big hands?? :lol

[Mnky]

Great 2nd rounder. Dudes shot is silky smooth. He hardly touches rim on an open look. High release, he isn't bothered at all if you're in his face. Moves real well off ball like a tall J.J. Redick. Could be a massive help for the Spurs. Elite tools for a system shooter.

Defense is horrendous. J.J. Redick would defend the 1-5 better than him. That's why he's in the second. At times, he was just a Greenlight for other teams. They walk by him on the perimeter and lose him down low. Has a long way to go on defense but if he can be hid somewhere, his movement and shooting will be a sigh of relief for the shooting deficient spurs.

Not kidding about his defense, he has the tools but he makes patty mills look like Kawhi. Hopefully it's more of a mindset and the spurs can plug him into a good spot to be helped.

The tools are there to be a good defender, just not the mindset or ability yet for defense. For a 3 year college player, that's concerning. Needs to add weight.

[Prime BEEF]

Love this pick. And he’s a SF and not a SG

[John B]

We got a serious 2nd rounder here. 5th in vertical, and 4th fastest in lane agility.




Player
Position
Max vertical leap (inches)


1
Keon Johnson
SG
48.0


2
Jericho Sims
C
44.5


3
Yves Pons
PF
42.5


4
Scottie Lewis
SF
42.0


4
Joe Wieskamp
SF
42.0


6
Ochai Agbaji
SG
41.5


6
Jaden Springer
SG
41.5


8
AJ Lawson
SG/SF
41.0


9
Scottie Barnes
SF
39.5


9
Terrence Shannon Jr.
SF
39.5


9
Ziaire Williams
SF
39.5





Player
Position
Lane agility time (seconds)


1
Scottie Lewis
SF
10.45


2
Nah'Shon Hyland
SG
10.53


3
Ziaire Williams
SF
10.69


4
Joe Wieskamp
SF
10.70


5
McKinley Wright IV
PG
10.76

[DPG21920]

Very solid pick overall - excited to see how he fits in and think he will be signed

[EricB]

Like this pick, tbh. Tested as a really good athlete with surprising length. Shooting stroke looks really good -- I've seen arguments that he could be the best shooter in the draft.

His issues are that he's soft and that he never really uses his athleticism or length to his advantage. If the Spurs can toughen him up, he could have a career as a floor spacer.


“can’t believe he didn’t get drafted in the first round”

wad the consensus. Spurs thought after the combine he was getting the 20-30 range easily

[John B]

“can’t believe he didn’t get drafted in the first round”

wad the consensus. Spurs thought after the combine he was getting the 20-30 range easily

both players actually performed very well at the Combine.. I remember Samanic also impressed a lot of people at the Combine.

[Marco]

Spurs tend to draft players who do well at the combine. It's a fact.

[Kurgan]

Having doubts about his shooting ability after seeing his FT% was 67%. Very abnormal. Great three point shooters are usually great FT shooters as well

[RC_Drunkford]

He’s a sniper. Very good moving off the ball and coming off screens. A good plug-and-play shooter that you can bring off the bench. The problem is he’s a traffic cone on defense. Hopefully the Spurs can get him to improve there, he certainly has the length to play D. Definitely a good pick for #41. They should sign him right away

[spurspl]

solid pick, finally a shooter, give him minutes (not in the g league)

[spurraider21]

Having doubts about his shooting ability after seeing his FT% was 67%. Very abnormal. Great three point shooters are usually great FT shooters as well
Bruce Bowen lol

[8FOR!3]

So it sounds like defense is the only difference between this guy and Primo?

[Darius Bieber]

So it sounds like defense is the only difference between this guy and Primo?

Yeah he's gotten beat on defense a lot and always takes the wrong angles. Sounds more like Forbes 2.0.

[8FOR!3]

Yeah he's gotten beat on defense a lot and always takes the wrong angles. Sounds more like Forbes 2.0.

Yeah but sounds like he's a better athlete offensively and he's a lot bigger than Forbes at least. But maybe even worse on defense? lol

[Darius Bieber]

Yeah but sounds like he's a better athlete offensively and he's a lot bigger than Forbes at least. But maybe even worse on defense? lol

I'm an Iowa State grad, and I know a few Iowa fans and they've told me that he was always bailed out by Luka Garza (college player of the year) on defense and was able to get open shots on offense because of him. We don't really have anyone that the defense will focus towards on offense, so it remains to be seen how he will handle the pressure in the NBA.

[TheChillFactor]

If the Spurs can toughen him up, he could have a career as a floor spacer.

jesus christ pop will never play him

[8FOR!3]

I'm an Iowa State grad, and I know a few Iowa fans and they've told me that he was always bailed out by Luka Garza (college player of the year) on defense and was able to get open shots on offense because of him. We don't really have anyone that the defense will focus towards on offense, so it remains to be seen how he will handle the pressure in the NBA.

Joy.

[dbestpro]

I am saying it right now that a cup of Joe will have a better career than Primo. That does not mean he will be great or even good.

[Chinook]

I fully expect Joe to go to the SL and play lights out getting shots from Jones. The Spurs should have two open two-way slots with QW and KBD both free agents. Hopefully, they use both of those on front-court players they can also bring to the SL. Add in some Austin scrubs like Renfro, and the SL might actually be interesting to watch this year.

[BatManu20]

Joe Wieskamp on being drafted by the Spurs: “That was the team we had circled as a team that was a really good fit for me.”

Wieskamp on how he sees himself helping the Spurs with their 3PT shooting: “Absolutely, I hope I can come in right away and knock down 3s, be a floor spacer.”

[Mr. Body]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wDNNMaOSjw

[jjspur]

At least the spurs drafted a known quantity in the 2nd round. He rose in the draft a bit after the combine so I'm glad the spurs drafted someone in their draft range and not some unknown guy from eastern slovakia whose name you can't pronounce.

[R. DeMurre]

Good pick at #41. His results at the combine were impressive. I'll root for Austin to win the G League championship this year.

[The Truth #6]

At least he can shoot. Or we think.

[Gibbz]

I think this guy sticks in the league, whether it's here or elsewhere.

[Mnky]

Having doubts about his shooting ability after seeing his FT% was 67%. Very abnormal. Great three point shooters are usually great FT shooters as well

What does his good shooting percentage tell you? :downspin:

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

After Primo I was too disgusted to even care about the 41st pick.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I liked him before the draft and thought we might get him.

barring injuries I think he will be a solid NBA player for many years.

good pick

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Having doubts about his shooting ability after seeing his FT% was 67%. Very abnormal. Great three point shooters are usually great FT shooters as well

his other two seasons in school he shot way better from the line though. His sophomore season he shot worse from 3 but still decent enough.

dude can shoot

[cd98]

I don't think you can treat him like he's Forbes. Unlike Forbes, he is over 6 foot 5 and has good athletic measurables. Now, we don't know if he can shoot like Forbes, but the extra height and athleticism means that once he learns how to play NBA defense he could be passable where Forbes is not. Forbes has a ceiling on what he can do because he is undersized and he is not athletic in terms of the average NBA athlete. But if he can shoot like Forbes, he has a much better opportunity to have staying power.

[Ocotillo]

It appears he may be on the big boys squad while Primo is playing in Austin due to age. Something that will be interesting is to see how his career and Krispert's career compare down the road.

[rjv]

wieskamp was another player that i watched in the combine who had a solid showing.

[Prime BEEF]

I don't think you can treat him like he's Forbes. Unlike Forbes, he is over 6 foot 5 and has good athletic measurables. Now, we don't know if he can shoot like Forbes, but the extra height and athleticism means that once he learns how to play NBA defense he could be passable where Forbes is not. Forbes has a ceiling on what he can do because he is undersized and he is not athletic in terms of the average NBA athlete. But if he can shoot like Forbes, he has a much better opportunity to have staying power.
Exactly. Forbes doesn’t have a 6’11” wingspan or 38” vertical. And his lateral movement numbers were good too.

[Prime BEEF]

It appears he may be on the big boys squad while Primo is playing in Austin due to age. Something that will be interesting is to see how his career and Krispert's career compare down the road.
I think this is very likely to happen

[TD 21]

Too bad Butler didn't last one more pick (even though if they had their pick, I suspect they'd have went with Wieskamp). Outside of that, this was a good pick. Much better than Kispert at 12 would have been.

[OldMan88]

Kid can shoot… I only saw a couple of shots that rattled in… the rest were pretty pure. Worth the pick where it was.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/asosrYtd6Po

[Mr. Body]

Both draft picks had the Spurs at or near the top of their list.

[The Truth #6]

Both draft picks had the Spurs at or near the top of their list.

For a small market team, that’s a really good thing that the interest is mutual.

[bluebellmaniac]

Both draft picks had the Spurs at or near the top of their list.

How do we know that? We'd expect them to say that after getting drafted.

[Mr. Body]

How do we know that? We'd expect them to say that after getting drafted.

Do you think they're lying? I don't.

[bluebellmaniac]

Do you think they're lying? I don't.

When a GM says their pick was at the top of their list, would you expect them to say "Our top picks were gone so we selected him"?

[bluebellmaniac]

Do you think they're lying? I don't.

It's not so much lying as just saying the right things.

[Mr. Body]

It's not so much lying as just saying the right things.

Both players were very specific in how they talked about the Spurs. It's hard to fake that.

[Atl Spur]

Him and Duncan Robison will do the trick!

[Maddog]

The interesting thing is his numbers are similar to or better than Corey Kispert
A little less PPG on a slower paced team, More rebounds, slightly higher 3pt percentage.
Almost same height with much greater wingspan and a lot more athletic based on out of game measurements.

I never watch college ball so can't say much other than it's a real intriguing pick.

[GreekSpursfan]

A guard who can shoot, that's a first for us

[duncan2150]

The interesting thing is his numbers are similar to or better than Corey Kispert
A little less PPG on a slower paced team, More rebounds, slightly higher 3pt percentage.
Almost same height with much greater wingspan and a lot more athletic based on out of game measurements.

I never watch college ball so can't say much other than it's a real intriguing pick.

The only thing is that kispert is a better on D imo but that's pretty good for a 41 pick.

Wieskamp was one of my top target in this round, i like the pick.

[rascal]

Boring player/ Does he do anything more than a spot up three point shot?

[Atl Spur]

Rascal is looking for some attention I see...... joe is pretty solid and is hungry

[Eaglenole2002]

He’s surprisingly springy, and with those long arms he dunks more than you’d think.

[duncan2150]

Boring player/ Does he do anything more than a spot up three point shot?


He is scoring half of his points at the 3 point line so i guess yes he can do something else.

[Atl Spur]

He’s surprisingly springy, and with those long arms he dunks more than you’d think.

42 inch vertical is elite

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1421529724266979329

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1421529724266979329

It's interesting that the Spurs called him a few picks before and said they were taking him. They must have known who the next two picks would be.

[ace3g]

It's interesting that the Spurs called him a few picks before and said they were taking him. They must have known who the next two picks would be.


As did everyone else if you followed Woj/Shams, lol

[Mr. Body]

As did everyone else if you followed Woj/Shams, lol

Oh, right. I urposefully didn't. Those guys need to be shut down.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

he reminds me of a white brent barry

[pad300]

he reminds me of a white brent barry

????

Brent Barry isn't white?

[Marco]

He must improve on D. He's atrocious at the moment.

[Mr. Body]

He must improve on D. He's atrocious at the moment.

He had positive advanced defensive metrics in college. Part of that is playing for Iowa, but it suggests he plays good team defense within a system.

[Eaglenole2002]

Looking at videos, his scouting report, his advanced stats and past drafts, I’m kinda confused why Wieskamp wasn’t a late first rounder. A 6-6 sharpshooter with a 6-11 wing span and plus athleticism seems like the exact player a team in the 20s would want.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

????

Brent Barry isn't white?

:bobo

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[Eaglenole2002]

Good read
https://frontofficegurus.com/2021/07/31/nba-draft-2021-5-favorite-drafts/

[Maddog]

Good read
https://frontofficegurus.com/2021/07/31/nba-draft-2021-5-favorite-drafts/

Almost a PR for the front office.
How many of these sites there?
Who are all these people who have draft eval sites? Don't they have a job/Life? (Of course I'm posting on Spurstalk on a Saturday albeit at work)
Reminds me of that old saying about stock brokers-"if he's so smart why is he your stockbroker"

[slick'81]

Ive been told in here hes 6'8 with a 42 inch vert.....sign me the fck up:lol

[Mr. Body]

Almost a PR for the front office.
How many of these sites there?
Who are all these people who have draft eval sites? Don't they have a job/Life? (Of course I'm posting on Spurstalk on a Saturday albeit at work)
Reminds me of that old saying about stock brokers-"if he's so smart why is he your stockbroker"

Some people like statistical evaluation and evaluation in general of players instead of ingesting wholesale what ESPN gives us. Hobby same as just simpy and mindlessly watching games.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7qZU7ZXEAg5qrX?format=jpg&name=large

[Maddog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7qZU7ZXEAg5qrX?format=jpg&name=large

White Barry

[Kurik]

For whatever reason, I’m rooting for Wiesy the most out of all of our young players. I don’t think it will take him long to be one of the best 3pt shooters in the NBA.

[Degoat]

Stealing Matt Bonners number! How dare him lol

[Atl Spur]

The dude might make some noise!

[slick'81]

Sleeper pick written all over him. Nice to have a 2nd rnder who can contribute immediately. Gives spurs a nice stroke from three. Spurs definitely seemed to prioritize shooting this draft

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

White Barry

:tu

[lefty20]

I'm honestly surprised at the mostly positive sentiment on this thread. Considering the amount of vitriol directed at former Spurs players who've shot well but played terrible defense, it's prolly only a matter of time before this place turns on him. Unless our coaching staff can unlock any hidden defensive instinct/abilities he may be hiding.

[JeffDuncan]

I'm honestly surprised at the mostly positive sentiment on this thread. Considering the amount of vitriol directed at former Spurs players who've shot well but played terrible defense, ...


Where have you seen Wieskamp play for the Spurs?

[NASpurs]

Nice of Quinndary Weatherspoon to give up his jersey number. The least he could do after giving everyone the Rona last season.

[lefty20]

Where have you seen Wieskamp play for the Spurs?

Well, there's this thing called scouting report. Now I wouldn't put too much stock into it if he were a 1 & done player. But Joe played nearly 3k minutes over 3 years.

Fwiw, I really do hope that I'm wrong on this kid. But all I see is another one dimensional player that will contribute next to nothing if his shot is not falling.

[Mr. Body]

I'm honestly surprised at the mostly positive sentiment on this thread. Considering the amount of vitriol directed at former Spurs players who've shot well but played terrible defense, it's prolly only a matter of time before this place turns on him. Unless our coaching staff can unlock any hidden defensive instinct/abilities he may be hiding.

His advanced defensive metrics are positive. Iowa was a good defensive team and he contributed. Won't be a stopper, certainly, but he's not horrible. He also seems to be a strong rebounder for a wing, 6.6 rebounds a game.

[BackHome]

One thing he has going for him is that he is NBA athletic so I think they can help him on the defense side - hell bring in Bruce and let him teach the kid on footwork and positioning etc....

I am pretty sure he will help us and I am pretty sure he will be a much better defender then Forbes but that is not saying much. Either way a second rounder is not going to get you a starting player your in a win situation if they even make the team which I am 100% he will and I think will be a very good 6-8 man on the team - I think he has he can and will get better

[Eaglenole2002]

One thing he has going for him is that he is NBA athletic so I think they can help him on the defense side - hell bring in Bruce and let him teach the kid on footwork and positioning etc....

I am pretty sure he will help us and I am pretty sure he will be a much better defender then Forbes but that is not saying much. Either way a second rounder is not going to get you a starting player your in a win situation if they even make the team which I am 100% he will and I think will be a very good 6-8 man on the team - I think he has he can and will get better
Yup. The raw tools are there. He’s an elite shooter prospect-wise, and he did well in the lane agility drill and max vertical. As a shooter, he’s not just a stand still shooter. He can shoot off the dribble and he can shoot off screens. He’s got SF length with a 6-11 wing span.

Like you said, we’re talking about a second round pick. If we picked him at 20, yeah, we have some issues. At 41, he looks like a high probability bet to become a rotation player and to carve out a long NBA career. That’s a great pick.

[Maddog]

:tu

Flipping to Barry White doubles the fun:bang

[ace3g]

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Wieskamp's AAU coach told me he's excited to see Joe spread his athletic wings in the NBA after Iowa fed Luka Garza the ball. "They never really led Joe get out and run, and Joe is awesome on the break," K.C. Schmitt said. " He runs like a deer."

[BackHome]

I think people are going to be shocked when they see this kid throw down some thunder dunks he is built for speed and it's going to be real fun to watch him develop

[CGD]

For as athletic as he seems to be, his D really looked crappy as hell. Hopefully fixable to some extent.

[Uriel]

I wonder if the Spurs would’ve picked this guy over Butler.

Same way I wonder if they would’ve picked Primo over Bouknight.

[PhantomDashCam]

I wonder if the Spurs would’ve picked this guy over Butler.

Same way I wonder if they would’ve picked Primo over Bouknight.

I would say yes. Be interesting to see their draft board though. Ziaire Williams is the one I suspect may have been in play.

[Uriel]

I would say yes. Be interesting to see their draft board though. Ziaire Williams is the one I suspect may have been in play.
I agree. I actually thought about that too actually. If both Primo and Ziaire had both been on the board, would we have gone with Ziaire?

[slick'81]

I agree. I actually thought about that too actually. If both Primo and Ziaire had both been on the board, would we have gone with Ziaire?


Nobody knows

[RC_Drunkford]

Wieskamp looks like a long-term bench piece to me. Lights out shooter, long and athletic. Given his length his defense should improve somewhat. He need to add muscle so he doesn’t get bullied in the post and the coaching staff definitely needs to help him with his footwork on D, but there’s potential there

[Mr. Body]

I wonder if the Spurs would’ve picked this guy over Butler.

Same way I wonder if they would’ve picked Primo over Bouknight.

They would have picked Primo over Bouknight, yes.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://youtu.be/xZs_m7E_R5w

some really impressive blocks here. How did we get this guy at 41?

[JeffDuncan]

some really impressive blocks here. How did we get this guy at 41?


The Spurs got lucky. I hope he replaces Patty soon. Like, today.

[EricB]

https://youtu.be/xZs_m7E_R5w

some really impressive blocks here. How did we get this guy at 41?


awful on defense, however he understands it and has said will do whatever the team says on how to improve. At the very least they’ve got their own Duncan Robinson

[Mnky]

https://youtu.be/xZs_m7E_R5w

some really impressive blocks here. How did we get this guy at 41?

I've seen him late 1st in a few draftboards but his defense has been extremely bad. I think a spurs system helps hide that especially if he buys into using his athleticism on that end. Cant stress enough that the dude moves around like J.J. Redick off ball on offense and I love that at SF size. Could be a great tool in the offense down the road.

[pad300]

awful on defense, however he understands it and has said will do whatever the team says on how to improve. At the very least they’ve got their own Duncan Robinson

Currently, he's a 6'7" version of Bryn Forbes. Except with wingspan and athleticism. That's a good 2nd round pick. If they can coach his D up, that's a starter level guy...

[rankingtear]

Currently, he's a 6'7" version of Bryn Forbes. Except with wingspan and athleticism. That's a good 2nd round pick. If they can coach his D up, that's a starter level guy...

So Kevin Huerter.

[RC_Drunkford]

Currently, he's a 6'7" version of Bryn Forbes. Except with wingspan and athleticism. That's a good 2nd round pick. If they can coach his D up, that's a starter level guy...

if a bad defender gets the occassional block or steal he's already better than Bryn Forbes, cause Forbes can't do none of that. Not to mention rebound the basketball. I can see Weiskamp improve on that end quite a bit

[JeffDuncan]

For those who have watched him, or seen film, why is Wieskamp a bad defender? Specifics, please?

Not quick enough, gets beaten off the dribble? Lack of anticipation? Can’t handle screens? Not physical enough, ala Bertans? Gets caught out of position? Inattentive, ball watches? Or what?

He sure doesn’t look easy to shoot over, so I can’t believe it’s that. Anyway, specifics?

[buttsR4rebounding]

I did not realize just how athletic he is. At the 2021 NBA Combine, Wieskamp placed in the top 6 out of all participants in lane agility, the three-quarter sprint, and maximum vertical jump. In fact, his maximum vertical jump (42 inches) beat Lonnie Walker's maximum vertical measurement at the 2018 combine (40 inches). Pretty impressive to beat Lonnie's vertical.

[Atl Spur]

This may turn out to be a great draft .....

[Russ]

This may turn out to be a great draft .....

I'm coming to the same conclusion (although I wasn't thinking of either of these guys on draft night).

Pretty sure everyone was in the same boat immediately after the draft -- the Spurs didn't take anyone I really wanted (at the time) and didn't take anyone I really didn't want.

I doubt anyone can honestly disagree with that.

[CGD]

Currently, he's a 6'7" version of Bryn Forbes. Except with wingspan and athleticism. That's a good 2nd round pick. If they can coach his D up, that's a starter level guy...

So he's nothing like Bryn at all then...

[Eaglenole2002]

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[Dejounte]

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knocks out that mystery. KBD next

[J_Paco]

knocks out that mystery. KBD next

I thought KBD is ineligible for a two - way deal? I'd love for the team to bring him back even if that means dumping/buying out Aminu (duh).

[Chinook]

knocks out that mystery. KBD next

Not KBD. He makes the team or doesn't. Jeffries could be a two-way guy though, and he showed enough to make that okay. I'd still prefer a PG though.

[Chinook]

This was a great signing by the Spurs likely only made possible by COVID rules allowing two-way players to be paid basically as min guys. Still, it shows either a decent amount of trust in the FO (which honestly they haven't earned looking at Weatherspoon and Blossomgame both signing two-way deal but never getting that full deal) or a moderate lack of confidence in his ability to get a min deal elsewhere. I wonder if his SL play is what led to this over him getting a Jones-like contract. In either event, this clears up the roster a bit, bringing the roster competition down to 18 players competition for 15 spots.

Murray, White, Jones
Walker, Forbes, Primo
McDermott, Vassell, Hutchison, Bates-Diop
Johnson, Young, Samanic, Aminu
Poeltl, Landale, Eubanks, Collins

There's still a spot on the off-season roster for a second two-way and an Austin send-down. It might be best not to fill those spots, since this competition for back-court spots is going to be a bit livelier than normal.

[timvp]

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Good news, tbh. Wieskamp looked decent at times in summer league but not quite good enough to give him a long-term, real contract. Tre Jones' floor was him developing into an okay-ish backup a la Jacque Vaughn so giving him a contract made sense. But for Wieskamp to agree to a two-way contract, that's a whole lot better than him declining the two-way contract and signing elsewhere. He needs a lot of fine-tuning but he probably has a 10-15% chance of becoming an NBA player -- which is better than you can say for most second rounders. Good size, plus athlete who can shoot is a really nice starting spot for a two-way player :tu

[timvp]

Still, it shows either a decent amount of trust in the FO (which honestly they haven't earned looking at Weatherspoon and Blossomgame both signing two-way deal but never getting that full deal) or a moderate lack of confidence in his ability to get a min deal elsewhere.

This was a bonus to the Eubanks signing. Eubanks going from undrafted to summer league to two-way contract to long-term contract gave the Spurs someone they could point to as a success story.

But yeah I'm surprised Wieskamp was willing to sign a two-way. I highly doubt the Spurs drafted him with the condition that he was going to sign a two-way. His stock was safely in the 40s so didn't have to agree to that to get drafted.

[timvp]

Not KBD. He makes the team or doesn't. Jeffries could be a two-way guy though

You sure about that? KBD looks two-way eligible to me since he has less than four seasons in the NBA. He's also a two-way restricted free agent, right?

[DJR210]

Wieskamp was pretty impressive in passing lanes IMO

[Em-City]

This was a great signing by the Spurs likely only made possible by COVID rules allowing two-way players to be paid basically as min guys. Still, it shows either a decent amount of trust in the FO (which honestly they haven't earned looking at Weatherspoon and Blossomgame both signing two-way deal but never getting that full deal) or a moderate lack of confidence in his ability to get a min deal elsewhere. I wonder if his SL play is what led to this over him getting a Jones-like contract. In either event, this clears up the roster a bit, bringing the roster competition down to 18 players competition for 15 spots.

Murray, White, Jones
Walker, Forbes, Primo
McDermott, Vassell, Hutchison, Bates-Diop
Johnson, Young, Samanic, Aminu
Poeltl, Landale, Eubanks, Collins

There's still a spot on the off-season roster for a second two-way and an Austin send-down. It might be best not to fill those spots, since this competition for back-court spots is going to be a bit livelier than normal.

So who's gone? Hutchinson, aminu and kbd?

[Fusternino]

So who's gone? Hutchinson, aminu and kbd?

Hutchinson for sure.

Maybe there's a way to keep KBD on a two-way? Not sure, though. Have gotten different responses from different posters on this.

I assume one of the centers is gone.

[duncan2150]

Good.
He was better and better during SL after a rough start.
He is a player who needs the right system around him. He could a duncan robinson with better atheltism.

[exstatic]

This was a great signing by the Spurs likely only made possible by COVID rules allowing two-way players to be paid basically as min guys. Still, it shows either a decent amount of trust in the FO (which honestly they haven't earned looking at Weatherspoon and Blossomgame both signing two-way deal but never getting that full deal) or a moderate lack of confidence in his ability to get a min deal elsewhere. I wonder if his SL play is what led to this over him getting a Jones-like contract. In either event, this clears up the roster a bit, bringing the roster competition down to 18 players competition for 15 spots.

Murray, White, Jones
Walker, Forbes, Primo
McDermott, Vassell, Hutchison, Bates-Diop
Johnson, Young, Samanic, Aminu
Poeltl, Landale, Eubanks, Collins

There's still a spot on the off-season roster for a second two-way and an Austin send-down. It might be best not to fill those spots, since this competition for back-court spots is going to be a bit livelier than normal.

Hutchison never got a Spurs Twitter account welcome msg. Everyone else did. Just sayin’. Pretty sure you can scratch him off the opening day roster as either a stretch or a trade.

[Em-City]

Hutchinson for sure.

Maybe there's a way to keep KBD on a two-way? Not sure, though. Have gotten different responses from different posters on this.

I assume one of the centers is gone.
It would suck to ship Eubanks because of Collins. Maybe they get some kind of injured player exception while Collins is out?

[exstatic]

It would suck to ship Eubanks because of Collins. Maybe they get some kind of injured player exception while Collins is out?

No injured list. All players count against your 15 man roster. Back in the day, the rosters were either 12, or 13, and you were allowed a couple of injury spots outside the roster. That went away when they expanded rosters to 15.

[Chinook]

This was a bonus to the Eubanks signing. Eubanks going from undrafted to summer league to two-way contract to long-term contract gave the Spurs someone they could point to as a success story.

But yeah I'm surprised Wieskamp was willing to sign a two-way. I highly doubt the Spurs drafted him with the condition that he was going to sign a two-way. His stock was safely in the 40s so didn't have to agree to that to get drafted.

I don't think Wieskamp should look at Eubanks' Hinkie special as something to aspire to. Unless he thought he just wouldn't get an NBA contract (which I'd find unlikely given his draft status and supposed stock), it would not have been hard for him to beat Eubanks' salary, ESPEICALLY since Drew might end up cut anyway. I can't see Joe's signing as anything but a random boon for the club.


You sure about that? KBD looks two-way eligible to me since he has less than four seasons in the NBA. He's also a two-way restricted free agent, right?

I'm not entirely sure, but the CBA FAQ says in multiple places that a player can't have more than three seasons at any point during a two-way contract. He'd only need the one game with the big club for next season to count. But does it accrue after the game, or does it wait until after the season? It's very weird wording. I think what's clear is that you can't sign a two-year two-way deal if you have three years of service. For what it's worth, Project Spurs said two weeks ago he was tendered a regular QO (https://projectspurs.com/2021/07/30/report-spurs-make-keita-bates-diop-restricted-free-agent/), though now they seem to suggest it was a two-way QO (https://projectspurs.com/2021/08/16/key-dates-to-watch-as-san-antonio-spurs-offseason-resumes/). If the latter case is true, then the Spurs basically locked themselves out of offering another two-way deal until KBD decides to take the tender or not. If it's the regular QO, the Spurs have seemingly committed to having KBD in for camp if he can't find a better deal.

[Chinook]

Let's for the time being assume I was incorrect on KBD not being able to get a two-way and that SA basically locked him in such a spot by not pulling their QO last Friday. That would put the roster at:

Murray, White, Jones
Walker, Forbes, Primo
McDermott, Vassell, Hutchison,
Johnson, Young, Samanic, Aminu
Poeltl, Landale, Eubanks, Collins

That's 17 guys. Hutchinson may be gone, with Wieskamp and Bates-Diop able to fill in whatever SF minutes aren't covered by the regular roster. Outside of a trade, that basically leaves Aminu versus Eubanks for the last spot. If we're talking about the team winning now, then Eubanks obviously makes more sense than AFA. But in terms of asset retention, having AFA's mid-sized expiring would make the Spurs effective trade partners later in the season. They've shown some inclination to make moves this season, so I wouldn't discount them giving the tradeability some real weight here. Also, if AFA gets back some form, he can be helpful to the club or at least a more buoyant trade piece. Then again, Eubanks shouldn't be a bad trade piece, and he might be needed with Collins out for so long and Landale new. Young and probably Samanic can play some five, but the Spurs could see themselves outsized pretty quickly.

It's a really tough decision, and a trade probably isn't going to fix that problem. Could be something to carry into camp to give the team a better idea of AFA's and Collins' health and Luka's ability to be a rotation player this year.

[The Truth #6]

Wow. 17 players, not including KBD and Lil Weezy. This will be interesting. It seems un-Spursy to have this dilemma; usually things are thought out. And maybe it has been and we are waiting.

Are there any other contracts waiting to be signed that could somehow be involved in impacting the roster makeup?

[Trill Clinton]

Hopefully they run the offense around Lil Weezy. I like his game and think he has a lot more to offer than what we saw in summer league.

[Dex]

Hutchison never got a Spurs Twitter account welcome msg. Everyone else did. Just sayin’. Pretty sure you can scratch him off the opening day roster as either a stretch or a trade.

Good. I know it's become a running joke around here, but nothing about him suggests a guy who has "gotten over himself" and the Spurs don't need that presence in the locker room.

[timvp]

I'm not entirely sure, but the CBA FAQ says in multiple places that a player can't have more than three seasons at any point during a two-way contract. He'd only need the one game with the big club for next season to count. But does it accrue after the game, or does it wait until after the season? It's very weird wording.

I asked someone who would know and, yes, KBD has one more year of two-way eligibility. So, yeah, safe to say it will be KBD with a backup of Jeffries probably.

I know two-way contracts don't count against the cap but does a two-way restricted free agent's qualifying offer count against the cap? If so, that could be the hold up with Forbes and Landale. It'd be weird if KBD is holding up the final signings but I guess it's possible.

[Chinook]

I asked someone who would know and, yes, KBD has one more year of two-way eligibility. So, yeah, safe to say it will be KBD with a backup of Jeffries probably.

I know two-way contracts don't count against the cap but does a two-way restricted free agent's qualifying offer count against the cap? If so, that could be the hold up with Forbes and Landale. It'd be weird if KBD is holding up the final signings but I guess it's possible.

From what I read, the contracts do count as cap holds equal to a one-year vet-min salary. That's why Deeks' Capulator had him at about $1.5 Million. The actual contract they offered him would be a two-way deal, though, so it's possible that after Friday, it stopped counting against the cap. If the numbers are right, then Collins' deal could've been signed with KBD's QO on the books. There were more than $100k in overage. That said, I don't think KBD's deal is actually holding up a signing directly. The Spurs are likely not using cap space for either Forbes or Landale. If they are using it to give Jock a bit more money than the rookie min (assuming the worst-case scenario where Forbes is getting the full RE), but there should be nothing stopping them at this point. They can no longer pull the QO for KBD, so if that is what's restricting the cap space, they're SOL unless KBD signs the two-way or agrees to let the Spurs pull it. You'd think they would've pulled the offer if that was a real risk, since it's not like they couldn't offer KBD a two-way afterward anyway, and they aren't so player-unfriendly as to keep him from getting a better deal elsewhere this long.

If there's real pressure and if the Spurs have legit let KBD lock them down so hard, they could just waive Hutch and stretch him to get the room back. That's far from desirable, but it might be necessary anyway.

[exstatic]

From what I read, the contracts do count as cap holds equal to a one-year vet-min salary. That's why Deeks' Capulator had him at about $1.5 Million. The actual contract they offered him would be a two-way deal, though, so it's possible that after Friday, it stopped counting against the cap. If the numbers are right, then Collins' deal could've been signed with KBD's QO on the books. There were more than $100k in overage. That said, I don't think KBD's deal is actually holding up a signing directly. The Spurs are likely not using cap space for either Forbes or Landale. If they are using it to give Jock a bit more money than the rookie min (assuming the worst-case scenario where Forbes is getting the full RE), but there should be nothing stopping them at this point. They can no longer pull the QO for KBD, so if that is what's restricting the cap space, they're SOL unless KBD signs the two-way or agrees to let the Spurs pull it. You'd think they would've pulled the offer if that was a real risk, since it's not like they couldn't offer KBD a two-way afterward anyway, and they aren't so player-unfriendly as to keep him from getting a better deal elsewhere this long.

If there's real pressure and if the Spurs have legit let KBD lock them down so hard, they could just waive Hutch and stretch him to get the room back. That's far from desirable, but it might be necessary anyway.

At this point, it’s pretty established that Hutchison has a negative trade value, and could only be a part of a trade where salary ballast is absolutely needed. Otherwise, he’ll have to be stretched. I can’t see a scenario where he comes to camp, although he may still be on the roster when it starts if they’re involved in trade talks.

[Mr. Body]

He showed flashes of some good stuff in the summer league. He has great stance and consistency with his shot and started firing with some confidence. They weren't falling, necessarily, but several stayed on the rim, obviously a nice touch. But what appealed beyond the expected was some knack for cutting without the ball, or driving against hard close-outs. He competed hard for rebounds and had a good sense of rotations. Clearly is well-coached. His frame is nice and he'll add weight without sacrificing mobility and then there's some good athleticism.

I'm pretty bullish on Joe Wieskamp. I think timvp said he has less than a 10% chance of becoming an NBA player. I think that's too low. But then I was bullish on Tre Jones, while timvp and others were not.

[Chinook]

At this point, it’s pretty established that Hutchison has a negative trade value, and could only be a part of a trade where salary ballast is absolutely needed. Otherwise, he’ll have to be stretched. I can’t see a scenario where he comes to camp, although he may still be on the roster when it starts if they’re involved in trade talks.

It wouldn't be able trading him for value, per se. It would be about using a trade as an opportunity to get rid of him as part of the value SA is getting back. Or as you say, he could be ballast that is more palatable for SA to send in a trade than one of the other guys making about the same money. I don't know if you keep using "stretched" as a synonym for "waive", but they aren't the same thing. Every player waived before 09/01 gets their salary stretched in terms of a real-money payment schedule. But that doesn't have to apply to salary-space. If the Spurs are planning on eating Hutch's salary, they're likely going to do it all this year rather than stretch it. I'm not grammar-policing you. But in the quote you're responding to, I'm using "stretch" to mean the actual cap-manipulation. They likely don't want to take on money in future years, but they can if things get desperate enough. But there's a clock on them doing that too. Come 09/01, they literally have no recourse but to go into the year with KBD's QO and Hutch's full salary if they don't get something done before then. They have the flexibility in camp to cut and sign guys still, but they'll being doing that with all min deals most likely, and they won't have the option of using anything but that or the RE to sign Forbes and Landale.

[timvp]

I'm pretty bullish on Joe Wieskamp. I think timvp said he has less than a 10% chance of becoming an NBA player. I think that's too low. But then I was bullish on Tre Jones, while timvp and others were not.

Wrong on both accounts, my friend.

[Dex]

I'm pretty bullish on Joe Wieskamp. I think timvp said he has less than a 10% chance of becoming an NBA player. I think that's too low. But then I was bullish on Tre Jones, while timvp and others were not.


Wrong on both accounts, my friend.

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[timvp]

The Spurs are likely not using cap space for either Forbes or Landale. If they are using it to give Jock a bit more money than the rookie min (assuming the worst-case scenario where Forbes is getting the full RE), but there should be nothing stopping them at this point. They can no longer pull the QO for KBD, so if that is what's restricting the cap space, they're SOL unless KBD signs the two-way or agrees to let the Spurs pull it. You'd think they would've pulled the offer if that was a real risk, since it's not like they couldn't offer KBD a two-way afterward anyway, and they aren't so player-unfriendly as to keep him from getting a better deal elsewhere this long.

Good stuff. So, yeah, if KBD's situation isn't holding them back, there must be a trade scenario out there that's stopping them from making Forbes and Landale official. I know the plane ride from Australia is long but it's not this long :lol

Perhaps the other thing the Spurs are looking at is perhaps signing KBD or Jeffries to one of those long-term, minimally guaranteed deals. I'd be in favor of that, tbh.

[Fusternino]

I think they may just bring all of KBD/Hutchinson/Aminu into camp and have them compete. I know Hutchinson isn't a Spurs guy but his combine stats are fantastic, maybe they think they can fix him?

[Mr. Body]

Wrong on both accounts, my friend.

Wrong that you don't think much of Wieskamp? No, you said so. Frankly I don't remember exactly what you said about Jones, but I was very high on him. If you were, too, then good.

[exstatic]

I think they may just bring all of KBD/Hutchinson/Aminu into camp and have them compete. I know Hutchinson isn't a Spurs guy but his combine stats are fantastic, maybe they think they can fix him?

It’s just a blip, but they never had the Spurs Twitter account welcome Hutchison. The rest of the guys in the trade were welcomed. That’s really odd if they plan on bringing him into camp. He hasn’t made a good impression on his first two stops, and neither of those teams value culture like the Spurs do.

Guys with talent and athletic ability bust out of the league every year. In every subset of humanity, including guys with NBA talent and ability, you have intolerable assholes and jerks, drama queens. He hadn’t shown enough to want t introduce that into our locker room. Hell, KPJ had shown a lot more before Hs meltdown in Cleveland, and they wanted no part of that last year.

[Kurik]

Wrong that you don't think much of Wieskamp? No, you said so. Frankly I don't remember exactly what you said about Jones, but I was very high on him. If you were, too, then good.

His post is on the last page not hard to find, he gave Wieskamp a 10-15% chance of being a nba player which is incredibly high compared to most 2nd rounders.

[Drom John]

Two phrases I have difficulty with are "he's not an NBA player" and "he's not in the same league as [NBA player]" when the poster is referring to a player in the NBA, and therefore, a player that is in the same league as the other player.

26 players drafted in the second round of the 2019-2020 draft played in the NBA last year. 87% means that a 10-15% chance of being an NBA player is incredibly low compared to most 2nd rounders. 3 of the four that didn't play are stashed foreigners.
3 of those players (Théo Maledon, Xavier Tillman Sr., and Kenyon Martin Jr.) played among the top 250 minutes in the league. There's your 10%. Top 250 translates to 8.33 rotation.
Last year's #41, Tre Jones, played 37 games.

As to Wieskamp, to my eye test, with lateral movement to get off a quick 3, Joe looks like a 2019-2020 Marco Belinelli (with also similar defense). Joe's shots are more vertical than acrobatic.
For the purposes of this post, I won't mention that I wanted Bellinelli benched for Walker.

[Chinook]

I don't think there's an issue with saying "He's not an NBA player", meaning that he's not someone who deserves to be in the league or not someone who you expect to be on the league after his contract ends. I don't know what percentage of second-rounders get multi-year second contracts. I suspect it's actually a bit better than 10-15 percent, but maybe not. Looking at the Spurs' roster, for example, you have almost exclusively first-rounders, with Forbes, Landale, Eubanks and Jones being the guys on the main roster who don't qualify. KBD and Wieskamp are second-rounders, but as two-way guys, I don't know that either can be said to have "made it". Certainly, it hasn't always been that way, with the 2013 Spurs having Manu, Green, Mills, Blair, de Colo and Jackson as second-rounders and Baynes and Neal as undrafted players. That's well over half the roster, and none of those guys were on the team simply because the Spurs just drafted them. They all were brought in or retained after proving themselves. In other words, with the possible exception of de Colo, they were all NBA players.

[exstatic]

Of those 20 something second rounders from 2019, I’d be curious how many were on two ways. The NBA seemed to take advantage of a covid rule change in maximum time with the big club to leverage cheap labor. I’m wondering if, when they change the rule back,you’ll see fewer second rounders playing games in the NBA at full labor cost.

[timvp]

Two phrases I have difficulty with are "he's not an NBA player" and "he's not in the same league as [NBA player]" when the poster is referring to a player in the NBA, and therefore, a player that is in the same league as the other player.

26 players drafted in the second round of the 2019-2020 draft played in the NBA last year. 87% means that a 10-15% chance of being an NBA player is incredibly low compared to most 2nd rounders.

By saying Wieskamp has a chance to be an NBA player, that was short-hand for stating that I think he can have a long, legitimate, ~10-year NBA career. Most second round picks at least get a cup of coffee these days, especially with COVID rules expanding rosters even further (two-way deals and the fact that second rounders don't count as much against the lux tax as other players signed to a minimum deal).

Looking at the 2010 draft, there's one second rounder still in the league (Hassan Whiteside at #33). The 2011 draft has two: Bojan Bogdanovic at #31 and E'Twaun Moore #55. 2012 has ~5 players still in the league after 9 years, while the 2013 has only two (Mike Muscala and James Ennis) in the league after eight years.

So that's ten players total in the four second rounds. 10/120 = 8% chance of a second round pick in that era having a long NBA career. I'm giving Wieskamp a 10-15% chance of joining that group -- which doesn't sound like amazing odds but it's almost double the odds of a random second round pick. Moreover, most second rounders that make it are drafted near the top of the second round and, IIRC, players drafted past pick 40 have like a 5% chance of becoming NBA lifers -- so I'm pretty high on Wieskamp given his actual odds.

[Seventyniner]

Wieskamp certainly has the type of skillset to survive in today's NBA. If the league changes as much in the next 10 years as it has in the last 10, who knows, but shooting and being able to move without the ball should always be valuable. I don't see him starting unless he greatly improves or it's for a bad team, but a long-term solid bench role is well within reach for him.

[ceperez]

By saying Wieskamp has a chance to be an NBA player, that was short-hand for stating that I think he can have a long, legitimate, ~10-year NBA career. Most second round picks at least get a cup of coffee these days, especially with COVID rules expanding rosters even further (two-way deals and the fact that second rounders don't count as much against the lux tax as other players signed to a minimum deal).

Looking at the 2010 draft, there's one second rounder still in the league (Hassan Whiteside at #33). The 2011 draft has two: Bojan Bogdanovic at #31 and E'Twaun Moore #55. 2012 has ~5 players still in the league after 9 years, while the 2013 has only two (Mike Muscala and James Ennis) in the league after eight years.

So that's ten players total in the four second rounds. 10/120 = 8% chance of a second round pick in that era having a long NBA career. I'm giving Wieskamp a 10-15% chance of joining that group -- which doesn't sound like amazing odds but it's almost double the odds of a random second round pick. Moreover, most second rounders that make it are drafted near the top of the second round and, IIRC, players drafted past pick 40 have like a 5% chance of becoming NBA lifers -- so I'm pretty high on Wieskamp given his actual odds.

Yikes. That really tough odds!

[BackHome]

Shit he all ready beat worse odds to make it in the NBA everything else is Gravy. Lol

[Drom John]

Looking at the 2010 draft, there's one second rounder still in the league (Hassan Whiteside at #33). The 2011 draft has two: Bojan Bogdanovic at #31 and E'Twaun Moore #55. 2012 has ~5 players still in the league after 9 years, while the 2013 has only two (Mike Muscala and James Ennis) in the league after eight years.

2011 has four, add Davis Bertans and Isaiah Thomas.
2012 has six, add Tomas Satoransky
2013 has three, add Raul Neto

timvp's point is still valid.

[DPG21920]

IMHO SA should be looking to Eubanks KBD

[Chinook]

IMHO SA should be looking to Eubanks KBD

They'll still have his RFA rights next year, so they can Eubanks him then.

[DPG21920]

They'll still have his RFA rights next year, so they can Eubanks him then.

Yup. I’m just saying I hope their mind is looking that direction.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/MattRandazzo/status/1549561333858897926