You Son of a Bitch, I'm In

[Mr. Body]

Okay, after mulling it over, watching some video of play, reading actual pre-draft analysis, picking up on how the draft was shifting...

I think the Spurs nailed both picks. Doesn't mean these are both going to pan out, but I do think these were great selections. I don't think Primo was a huge stretch and this is supported by the sense that other teams were after him nearby. My intense disappointment came from 1) my interest in Sengun, 2) why couldn't they trade down?

It's now apparent that at least two other teams were highly interested in Primo. If the Spurs traded slightly down to the Oklahoma City picks, it was very likely OKC pulled the trigger for Primo. I am of the opinion that media mock drafts lag behind what teams are actually thinking. As I've mentioned elsewhere, these sites only caught up the fact that Ziaire Williams was rising into the top 10 very late, and most didn't even get there. I'm of the belief that had another week elapsed, the same sites would have picked up on Primo's rise.

Now, of course we have too many guards. Of course Sengun is intriguing. But we can get rid of Lonnie Walker, we can just have a banquet of guards until things shake out. Vassell and Primo can both play wing.

But what intrigues about Primo is that he's pretty crafty and smooth with the ball, poised, and has multiple skills even before his promise as a shooter, and then he already has good tools as a defender, both physically and in skill. If you watch the combine game, you see. This isn't even mentioning his leadership skills -- he's drawing teammates together to discuss sets during dead balls... during a game where guys are normally after themselves. They're listening to him.

And he was the absolute youngest player in all of college basketball last year.

That's a bit nuts. To be perfectly honest, he looks like he's a good bit older than he is -- I don't mean in appearance, but in skill level. We've talked a lot about how he's a lottery pick next year, but I see it now. He's a lottery pick this year, too. He sure as hell has a lot to work on. A really big amount. But I don't think he gets lost in the G-League this year. I think he actually contributes. I have no idea what his ceiling is, but there really is something here, and it's a really good bet to take. I don't think there's a single player drafted after him, barring Sengun, that I would draft before him.

In short, I think he was rising on many team boards for a very good reason.

As for Cuppa Joe... at least one good analytic website said he would be better value than Corey Kispert. They aren't terribly different in production and one would be a 2nd round pick. What's great about him is that he doesn't just have great shooting on multiple levels -- placement, getting open, etc. -- he's actually deceptively athletic. And well-coached, at Iowa. But I don't think Wieskamp is seen as a mistake on this board.

But honestly, I think, against the big, prevailing narrative here and elsewhere, the Spurs actually had a potentially great draft.

[slick'81]

Coming from one of the most optimistic spur fans on here..fck it im sold

[Degoat]

Count me in as well! Underpass crew lol I hope he shows out in the summer league, one thing that people forget is after I’d say pick 7 in the draft, the talent level from like 8 to 23 was pretty even so might as well take the guy that you believe in.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Support Cousin Josh!

I mean...what the fuck else can you do other than support at this point, anyway?

I hope he has a growth spurt.

[offset formation]

yeah I'm in too. that SI article SAGirl posted convinced me there was actual smoke to why they didn't trade down. after seeing that I posted in that thread I was wrong to be mad they didn't trade down if they had him as their BPA.

kid is gonna be good, of that I have little doubt. just hope he's better than Sengun, Moody, and Garuba though that seems to be unlikely to be demonstrated in first year or two given the traditional slow pace of developing young draft picks.

Here's to Cuz and a stellar career!!

[Dejounte]

Just in case no one knew….. he’s going to wear jersey #11 for the Spurs.

[SpurPadre]

I'm very intrigued by both players after seeing videos of them and feel more confident about their abilities than Samanic's. They also come off as players that want to be good at what they do and improve along with being high character guys. I'm optimistic.

[Atl Spur]

Look at you guys growing up right before my eyes! I’m so proud of you guys......pulled your heads out :)

[Atl Spur]

Now get over the penthouse we have a little room....

[BackHome]

Oh Hell I am in - he is wearing my old jersey number 11 so I will take that as a good Omen.lol

[timvp]

Spurs Draft Pick Life Cycle

1. OMG! WTF! That was a terrible pick. Pop and all his minions need to be fired. There were so many better players on the board!
2. Hmmm ... you know what, I actually kinda like the pick! <---- You Are Here
3. I can't believe Pop isn't playing the pick! Pop is ruining the best young player on the roster! Like I said from the beginning, this pick is a special player.
4. Wow. This player is so much better than everyone else in the rotation he's competing against.
5. I'm so glad the Spurs drafted the player I wanted.
6. Eh, he's pretty good but the new youngsters deserve his minutes now.
7. OMG! WTF! Why won't Pop stop playing his pets? This guy sucks and always sucked. I don't even know why the Spurs drafted him.

[NASpurs]

Spurs Draft Pick Life Cycle

1. OMG! WTF! That was a terrible pick. Pop and all his minions need to be fired. There were so many better players on the board!
2. Hmmm ... you know what, I actually kinda like the pick! <---- You Are Here
3. I can't believe Pop isn't playing the pick! Pop is ruining the best young player on the roster! Like I said from the beginning, this pick is a special player.
4. Wow. This player is so much better than everyone else in the rotation he's competing against.
5. I'm so glad the Spurs drafted the player I wanted.
6. Eh, he's pretty good but the new youngsters deserve his minutes now.
7. OMG! WTF! Why won't Pop stop playing his pets? This guy sucks and always sucked. I don't even know why the Spurs drafted him.

:lol Holy shit it’s too accurate

[gambit1990]

Spurs Draft Pick Life Cycle

1. OMG! WTF! That was a terrible pick. Pop and all his minions need to be fired. There were so many better players on the board!
2. Hmmm ... you know what, I actually kinda like the pick! <---- You Are Here
3. I can't believe Pop isn't playing the pick! Pop is ruining the best young player on the roster! Like I said from the beginning, this pick is a special player.
4. Wow. This player is so much better than everyone else in the rotation he's competing against.
5. I'm so glad the Spurs drafted the player I wanted.
6. Eh, he's pretty good but the new youngsters deserve his minutes now.
7. OMG! WTF! Why won't Pop stop playing his pets? This guy sucks and always sucked. I don't even know why the Spurs drafted him.
Spurs Draft Pick Life Cycle *for homers with no spine

[Mnky]

Of the same mindset that this is a good late lottery pick. A couple lesser known analysts had him top 10, likely the ones who actually researched him.

Everyone was saying he was a reach, without knowing why is a clear indication that they didn't do much homework on the kid.

His leadership and knowledge of the game at his age is very high. His shooting can be elite and he has the tools to be an above average defender. From all accounts of people close, he was actually asked to do very little but run the team. They had a losing record before putting him to start if I remember correct. It's been said a few times he can much more than what he was asked to do at school.

I think he has as good a chance as anyone late lottery to develop into an actual star player.


Every year people say the drop off from 15-25 really isn't much but go crazy if they pick a 25 guy at 15. Somethings gotta give eventually.

I haven't seen anything not to like about the kid besides his inexperience. And with what experience he has had, he has exceled every step.

I'm in.

[CGD]

Spurs Draft Pick Life Cycle

1. OMG! WTF! That was a terrible pick. Pop and all his minions need to be fired. There were so many better players on the board!
2. Hmmm ... you know what, I actually kinda like the pick! <---- You Are Here
3. I can't believe Pop isn't playing the pick! Pop is ruining the best young player on the roster! Like I said from the beginning, this pick is a special player.
4. Wow. This player is so much better than everyone else in the rotation he's competing against.
5. I'm so glad the Spurs drafted the player I wanted.
6. Eh, he's pretty good but the new youngsters deserve his minutes now.
7. OMG! WTF! Why won't Pop stop playing his pets? This guy sucks and always sucked. I don't even know why the Spurs drafted him.

This is hilarious.

- Murray and Walker have graduated to step 7
- Keldon is at 4
- Vassel at 3
- is Luka still stuck at 1?

[CGD]

I 100% believe it if OKC was signaling they wanted the kid at 16. Honestly it’s a crap shoot after 10 anyway, though, man, that Sengun kid had such a unique skill set. I hope that one doesn’t come back to bite us in ass.

[GreekSpursfan]

Spurs Draft Pick Life Cycle

1. OMG! WTF! That was a terrible pick. Pop and all his minions need to be fired. There were so many better players on the board!
2. Hmmm ... you know what, I actually kinda like the pick! <---- You Are Here
3. I can't believe Pop isn't playing the pick! Pop is ruining the best young player on the roster! Like I said from the beginning, this pick is a special player.
4. Wow. This player is so much better than everyone else in the rotation he's competing against.
5. I'm so glad the Spurs drafted the player I wanted.
6. Eh, he's pretty good but the new youngsters deserve his minutes now.
7. OMG! WTF! Why won't Pop stop playing his pets? This guy sucks and always sucked. I don't even know why the Spurs drafted him.

:lol

[Uriel]

All aboard the Primo express

:flag:

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs Draft Pick Life Cycle

1. OMG! WTF! That was a terrible pick. Pop and all his minions need to be fired. There were so many better players on the board!
2. Hmmm ... you know what, I actually kinda like the pick! <---- You Are Here
3. I can't believe Pop isn't playing the pick! Pop is ruining the best young player on the roster! Like I said from the beginning, this pick is a special player.
4. Wow. This player is so much better than everyone else in the rotation he's competing against.
5. I'm so glad the Spurs drafted the player I wanted.
6. Eh, he's pretty good but the new youngsters deserve his minutes now.
7. OMG! WTF! Why won't Pop stop playing his pets? This guy sucks and always sucked. I don't even know why the Spurs drafted him.

:lol

2.5. I think he’ll make the Hall of Fame

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Spurs Draft Pick Life Cycle

1. OMG! WTF! That was a terrible pick. Pop and all his minions need to be fired. There were so many better players on the board!
2. Hmmm ... you know what, I actually kinda like the pick! <---- You Are Here
3. I can't believe Pop isn't playing the pick! Pop is ruining the best young player on the roster! Like I said from the beginning, this pick is a special player.
4. Wow. This player is so much better than everyone else in the rotation he's competing against.
5. I'm so glad the Spurs drafted the player I wanted.
6. Eh, he's pretty good but the new youngsters deserve his minutes now.
7. OMG! WTF! Why won't Pop stop playing his pets? This guy sucks and always sucked. I don't even know why the Spurs drafted him.

Tbh most of ST went from 1 to 2 very quickly once people started researching the kid more closely.

I remember the backlash after drafting Derrick White over ST darlings Josh Hart, Jonah Bolden and Jordan Bell was much worse. This one had more meltdown potential but it's not that bad really. People in stage 1 should dig up that 2017 draft thread and read some.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

https://i.imgflip.com/5i6mrm.jpg

[RC_Drunkford]

like I said in other threads, his game is pretty advanced for an 18 year-old. He has All-Star potential, I'm just worried about the lack of speed and athleticism. Maybe he can improve there, he's young. Ideal scenario is he grows some more and can slide up to SF. He won't have to be so quick playing the 3. That's what I'm hoping for

[Dex]

Are We Talking Like Dejounte Now?

[NickiRasgo]

like I said in other threads, his game is pretty advanced for an 18 year-old. He has All-Star potential, I'm just worried about the lack of speed and athleticism. Maybe he can improve there, he's young. Ideal scenario is he grows some more and can slide up to SF. He won't have to be so quick playing the 3. That's what I'm hoping for

Tbh while athleticism is good, it's not much of an issue with how the current playstyle of NBA.

Prolly he could be a Bradley Beal, CJ McCollum type of player but worst maybe something like Nick Young or past prime JR Smith.

[RD2191]

Dude's a fucking scrub and OP is a faggot.

[Degoat]

Just from watching some videos on him, he kinda reminds me of Caris Levert

[HankChinaski]

My only real issue with getting Primo had to do with acquiring additional assets trading down a little bit for him.


But if it is true that he would have been gone before 19th pick and trading down wasn't a great option to acquire said player outside of the vacuum the choice to draft at 12 makes sense.

I like Primo as I stated before as well as Joe Weesie at 41.

The spurs this last year looked horrible with outside shooting and they definitely were aiming to address those needs in the draft.

Now to watch an wait through free agency for the spit takes as players being traded and signed to other teams besides the spurs as the fan base implodes with the same posters again for another year.

[KobesAchilles]

Now if we could only sign Markk for 2 years and call it a day. We need a spacing forward in the starting rotation if we play DJ, KJ, and Poeltl together. We also have to tank this year tbh so I don’t care about defense from Markk. Our goal should be to find out which of the old youth we keep as compared to the new youth. We draft our franchise guy next year, hope KJ evolves into a 2 guy. Hope Primo learns how to run our offense. Keep White as our starting SG and either sign DJ as our 6th man to play alongside Vassell or get rid of him.

[offset formation]

I 100% believe it if OKC was signaling they wanted the kid at 16. Honestly it’s a crap shoot after 10 anyway, though, man, that Sengun kid had such a unique skill set. I hope that one doesn’t come back to bite us in ass.

precisely where I'm at.

[Atl Spur]

https://i.imgflip.com/5i6mrm.jpg

Hell naw!! That was funny

[TimDunkem]

Dude's a fucking scrub and OP is a faggot.

[Atl Spur]

We are not tanking....

[TheChillFactor]

thank you for laying that out.

I've BEEN in.

imagine staking your identity on the idea that GREGG POPOVICH is a bumbling idiot. i feel bad for these mental prisoners.

[BackHome]

Oh we are so tanking and your going to love it..:bobo

[The Truth #6]

We are not tanking....

...but not winning, either.

[Dejounte]

thank you for laying that out.

I've BEEN in.

imagine staking your identity on the idea that GREGG POPOVICH is a bumbling idiot. i feel bad for these mental prisoners.

or worse, dedicating half your life being focused on being anti-everything with strangers online and using multiple usernames to do it.

[Atl Spur]

Oh we are so tanking and your going to love it..:bobo

Lol

[pad300]

Now if we could only sign Markk for 2 years and call it a day. We need a spacing forward in the starting rotation if we play DJ, KJ, and Poeltl together. We also have to tank this year tbh so I don’t care about defense from Markk. Our goal should be to find out which of the old youth we keep as compared to the new youth. [i]We draft our franchise guy next year[i], hope KJ evolves into a 2 guy. Hope Primo learns how to run our offense. Keep White as our starting SG and either sign DJ as our 6th man to play alongside Vassell or get rid of him.

The strategic problem here is this, right there. That's the hardest bit, the bottleneck.

Finding a actual franchise guy is hard, there is an average of less than 1 in any given draft... And it's not always something you can call. In 2013, the only actual franchise guy (Giannis) was picked at 15. In 2011, quitter at 15 again. In 2015 & 2016 nobody.

This draft was a F'up for us (IMO), because we passed up a shot at a guy who might be that franchise guy (Sengun). Primo may come good. But I don't see a realistic path for him ever being an MVP candidate...

[KobesAchilles]

The strategic problem here is this, right there. That's the hardest bit, the bottleneck.

Finding a actual franchise guy is hard, there is an average of less than 1 in any given draft... And it's not always something you can call. In 2013, the only actual franchise guy (Giannis) was picked at 15. In 2011, quitter at 15 again. In 2015 & 2016 nobody.

This draft was a F'up for us (IMO), because we passed up a shot at a guy who might be that franchise guy (Sengun). Primo may come good. But I don't see a realistic path for him ever being an MVP candidate...

A couple of counterpoints:
Being scared of failure doesn’t mean that it isn’t the correct path. If we trust PATFO in drafting, as most people do, then we should trust them to choose our next franchise player. Also the last 5 drafts have had clear #1 talent in it. It’s just a matter of player development. And maybe we get lucky and have a draft like last years that had 2 great players in it. Or Lukas year.

Also even if they aren’t a generational talent like Ayton, they can still be used as a good piece where we might become one veteran away from winning again. Let’s say Harden is available, like I think he will be in 3 years, and the Nets aren’t contenders and we blow them away with an offer for him. I know people hate Harden but he could be that vet that makes us special. But we can’t think about that until we properly set ourselves up for the future

Also if we do get our guy and KJ or Primo are clear 3rd and 4th options then we can trade the farm for a clear number 2 guy. Tanking just gives us a lot of possibilities

[pad300]

A couple of counterpoints:
Being scared of failure doesn’t mean that it isn’t the correct path. If we trust PATFO in drafting, as most people do, then we should trust them to choose our next franchise player. Also the last 5 drafts have had clear #1 talent in it. It’s just a matter of player development. And maybe we get lucky and have a draft like last years that had 2 great players in it. Or Lukas year.

Also even if they aren’t a generational talent like Ayton, they can still be used as a good piece where we might become one veteran away from winning again. Let’s say Harden is available, like I think he will be in 3 years, and the Nets aren’t contenders and we blow them away with an offer for him. I know people hate Harden but he could be that vet that makes us special. But we can’t think about that until we properly set ourselves up for the future

Also if we do get our guy and KJ or Primo are clear 3rd and 4th options then we can trade the farm for a clear number 2 guy. Tanking just gives us a lot of possibilities

Why do you think these are counterpoints. None of that changes if we draft Sengun over Primo...

[KobesAchilles]

Why do you think these are counterpoints. None of that changes if we draft Sengun over Primo...
Oh I wanted Sengun as well. I made that clear in the draft and predraft threads. I’m just saying that we have Primo now, no sense looking back and we can only look forward.

[Dejounte]

Oh I wanted Sengun as well. I made that clear in the draft and predraft threads. I’m just saying that we have Primo now, no sense looking back and we can only look forward.

this guy here is a mature adult

[Mr. Body]

Spurs Draft Pick Life Cycle

1. OMG! WTF! That was a terrible pick. Pop and all his minions need to be fired. There were so many better players on the board!
2. Hmmm ... you know what, I actually kinda like the pick! <---- You Are Here
3. I can't believe Pop isn't playing the pick! Pop is ruining the best young player on the roster! Like I said from the beginning, this pick is a special player.
4. Wow. This player is so much better than everyone else in the rotation he's competing against.
5. I'm so glad the Spurs drafted the player I wanted.
6. Eh, he's pretty good but the new youngsters deserve his minutes now.
7. OMG! WTF! Why won't Pop stop playing his pets? This guy sucks and always sucked. I don't even know why the Spurs drafted him.

You just straight up made some of this shit up.

[tmtcsc]

Spurs Draft Pick Life Cycle

1. OMG! WTF! That was a terrible pick. Pop and all his minions need to be fired. There were so many better players on the board!
2. Hmmm ... you know what, I actually kinda like the pick! <---- You Are Here
3. I can't believe Pop isn't playing the pick! Pop is ruining the best young player on the roster! Like I said from the beginning, this pick is a special player.
4. Wow. This player is so much better than everyone else in the rotation he's competing against.
5. I'm so glad the Spurs drafted the player I wanted.
6. Eh, he's pretty good but the new youngsters deserve his minutes now.
7. OMG! WTF! Why won't Pop stop playing his pets? This guy sucks and always sucked. I don't even know why the Spurs drafted him.



That's pretty damn on-point. Now, lets get Luka Sandwich the hell off this roster & hope free-agency brings more immediate impact.

[SPURt]

Spurs Draft Pick Life Cycle

1. OMG! WTF! That was a terrible pick. Pop and all his minions need to be fired. There were so many better players on the board!
2. Hmmm ... you know what, I actually kinda like the pick! <---- You Are Here
3. I can't believe Pop isn't playing the pick! Pop is ruining the best young player on the roster! Like I said from the beginning, this pick is a special player.
4. Wow. This player is so much better than everyone else in the rotation he's competing against.
5. I'm so glad the Spurs drafted the player I wanted.
6. Eh, he's pretty good but the new youngsters deserve his minutes now.
7. OMG! WTF! Why won't Pop stop playing his pets? This guy sucks and always sucked. I don't even know why the Spurs drafted him.

wow :lol you definitely get a brown star for this take :toast

[tmtcsc]

Spurs Draft Pick Life Cycle

1. OMG! WTF! That was a terrible pick. Pop and all his minions need to be fired. There were so many better players on the board!
2. Hmmm ... you know what, I actually kinda like the pick! <---- You Are Here
3. I can't believe Pop isn't playing the pick! Pop is ruining the best young player on the roster! Like I said from the beginning, this pick is a special player.
4. Wow. This player is so much better than everyone else in the rotation he's competing against.
5. I'm so glad the Spurs drafted the player I wanted.
6. Eh, he's pretty good but the new youngsters deserve his minutes now.
7. OMG! WTF! Why won't Pop stop playing his pets? This guy sucks and always sucked. I don't even know why the Spurs drafted him.



That's pretty damn on-point. Now, lets get Luka Sandwich the hell off this roster & hope free-agency brings more immediate impact.

[TheChillFactor]

or worse, dedicating half your life being focused on being anti-everything with strangers online and using multiple usernames to do it.

haha i'm just one person, you flatter me though!

[Mr. Body]

I don't get why the galaxy brain choads are saying that timvp whine-fest is on point? None of that ever happens!

But oh well, you love licking that dude's taint. Go ahead. The guy is wrong as anyone else here. Dude was crying when Poeltl received his last contract, which was instantly a bargain. And this was just him shitting the carpet and now everyone's dancing around it pretending it's manna. :lol

[ElNono]

Spurs Draft Pick Life Cycle

1. OMG! WTF! That was a terrible pick. Pop and all his minions need to be fired. There were so many better players on the board!
2. Hmmm ... you know what, I actually kinda like the pick! <---- You Are Here
3. I can't believe Pop isn't playing the pick! Pop is ruining the best young player on the roster! Like I said from the beginning, this pick is a special player.
4. Wow. This player is so much better than everyone else in the rotation he's competing against.
5. I'm so glad the Spurs drafted the player I wanted.
6. Eh, he's pretty good but the new youngsters deserve his minutes now.
7. OMG! WTF! Why won't Pop stop playing his pets? This guy sucks and always sucked. I don't even know why the Spurs drafted him.

:lol hilarious.

Not very accurate, but funny. You also forgot the "It's been 4 years and this guy is a bust, why is this guys still in the roster?", with all the newb/fabbs variations like "Pop shoulda traded this scrub on a rookie deal for Giannis when his stock was high after having two double-digit back to back games!111!!!!"

[daslicer]

A couple of counterpoints:
Being scared of failure doesn’t mean that it isn’t the correct path. If we trust PATFO in drafting, as most people do, then we should trust them to choose our next franchise player. Also the last 5 drafts have had clear #1 talent in it. It’s just a matter of player development. And maybe we get lucky and have a draft like last years that had 2 great players in it. Or Lukas year.

Also even if they aren’t a generational talent like Ayton, they can still be used as a good piece where we might become one veteran away from winning again. Let’s say Harden is available, like I think he will be in 3 years, and the Nets aren’t contenders and we blow them away with an offer for him. I know people hate Harden but he could be that vet that makes us special. But we can’t think about that until we properly set ourselves up for the future

Also if we do get our guy and KJ or Primo are clear 3rd and 4th options then we can trade the farm for a clear number 2 guy. Tanking just gives us a lot of possibilities

Harden will be done in 3 years. He will be 35 by then and I don't see him having Lebron like longevity since he doesn't keep himself in shape.

[widowmaker]

Man that dude is gonna be stashed in the g league for 2 years before he plays any real games. Take out Derozen, mills and gay who is going to share the minutes?

1. Murray
2. White
3. Walker
4. Johnson
5. Jacob

Bench
1. Tre
2. Vassel
3. Bates diop
4. Semanic
5. Dieng/ if he sticks around.

So how many games will this team really win?
I do not have any high hopes Spurs will pick up a free agent that will move the needle in the positive

[Kurik]

I don't get why the galaxy brain choads are saying that timvp whine-fest is on point? None of that ever happens!

But oh well, you love licking that dude's taint. Go ahead. The guy is wrong as anyone else here. Dude was crying when Poeltl received his last contract, which was instantly a bargain. And this was just him shitting the carpet and now everyone's dancing around it pretending it's manna. :lol

It was funny don’t take it personally.

[KobesAchilles]

Harden will be done in 3 years. He will be 35 by then and I don't see him having Lebron like longevity since he doesn't keep himself in shape.
Yeah I see him being able to age well tbh. We don’t need him to be MVP Harden, otherwise he wouldn’t come here :lol
But can he Chris Paul us to the finals? I’m not sure. But it could put us back in the hunt. I mean by then who is really the star that is dominating our conference? Short of Luka (and I don’t trust Cuban one iota to build around him) they are all either too old or too injury prone. I would take our chances

[Mr. Body]

It was funny don’t take it personally.

Sorta. The point of the post was that many of us were wrong about Primo. Then timvp posts some made up bitch fest about something completely different. Then users flock in to blow him.

It's just stupid.

[daslicer]

Yeah I see him being able to age well tbh. We don’t need him to be MVP Harden, otherwise he wouldn’t come here :lol
But can he Chris Paul us to the finals? I’m not sure. But it could put us back in the hunt. I mean by then who is really the star that is dominating our conference? Short of Luka (and I don’t trust Cuban one iota to build around him) they are all either too old or too injury prone. I would take our chances

The only way I see him lasting as long as Chris if he changes his diet like Chris did with the plant based diet. Even though Harden's game is old man type of game you have to factor in injuries happening when you are out of shape. This compounds once you hit your 30's like what happened this year in the playoffs with Harden's hamstring.

[RC_Drunkford]

Man that dude is gonna be stashed in the g league for 2 years before he plays any real games. Take out Derozen, mills and gay who is going to share the minutes?

1. Murray
2. White
3. Walker
4. Johnson
5. Jacob

Bench
1. Tre
2. Vassel
3. Bates diop
4. Semanic
5. Dieng/ if he sticks around.

So how many games will this team really win?
I do not have any high hopes Spurs will pick up a free agent that will move the needle in the positive

the tanking crew will be happy. Spurs will finally get their #1 draft pick. I‘m not sure if Pop can get the record this year. This team could win less than 10 games

[slick'81]

the tanking crew will be happy. Spurs will finally get their #1 draft pick. I‘m not sure if Pop can get the record this year. This team could win less than 10 games


Definitely a bottom feeder roster. Atleast white gets a chance to really shine assuming his legs dont fall off

[PhantomDashCam]

Just from watching some videos on him, he kinda reminds me of Caris Levert

I think that’s a real solid comparison imho. :tu

[exstatic]

The only way I see him lasting as long as Chris if he changes his diet like Chris did with the plant based diet. Even though Harden's game is old man type of game you have to factor in injuries happening when you are out of shape. This compounds once you hit your 30's like what happened this year in the playoffs with Harden's hamstring.
Plant based diet or not, CP3 had his own share of hammy problems in the playoffs over the last 5-6 years.

[Spurtacular]

Other teams wanting to reach is not a good reason to reach. Bad pick.

[daslicer]

Plant based diet or not, CP3 had his own share of hammy problems in the playoffs over the last 5-6 years.

You are right. Just saying that when you are above 30 as an athlete your diet has to get a lot better to give you a chance to avoid being injury prone. Harden is on the path where he's going to get random injuries like the hamstring one he suffered from in this year's playoffs if he doesn't wise up and get into better shape.

[duncan2k5]

He won't play for at least 2 years .. I wish that weren't the case, bit that's how pop coaches recently... And when he does play, he will be pulled immediately for mistakes and not even another chance for months, and if he plays great, he will be inexplicably benched next game to team him a lesson... Eventually he will become to old to have any trade value because he will have the stats of a scrub or marginal role player at 27

[RC_Drunkford]

:pop: „who is this 16-year old boy?“
“that’s our new lottery draft pick“
:pop: „send him to school. He can play in the G-League and learn in 2025.“

[slick'81]

He won't play for at least 2 years .. I wish that weren't the case, bit that's how pop coaches recently... And when he does play, he will be pulled immediately for mistakes and not even another chance for months, and if he plays great, he will be inexplicably benched next game to team him a lesson... Eventually he will become to old to have any trade value because he will have the stats of a scrub or marginal role player at 27


Pop wont even be alive long enough to ruin this kid

[Marcus Bryant]

Man that dude is gonna be stashed in the g league for 2 years before he plays any real games. Take out Derozen, mills and gay who is going to share the minutes?

1. Murray
2. White
3. Walker
4. Johnson
5. Jacob

Bench
1. Tre
2. Vassel
3. Bates diop
4. Semanic
5. Dieng/ if he sticks around.

So how many games will this team really win?
I do not have any high hopes Spurs will pick up a free agent that will move the needle in the positive

As few as possible.

[Atl Spur]

Pop wont even be alive long enough to ruin this kid

That’s not cool.

[pad300]

Man that dude is gonna be stashed in the g league for 2 years before he plays any real games. Take out Derozen, mills and gay who is going to share the minutes?

1. Murray
2. White
3. Walker
4. Johnson
5. Jacob

Bench
1. Tre
2. Vassel
3. Bates diop
4. Semanic
5. Dieng/ if he sticks around.

So how many games will this team really win?
I do not have any high hopes Spurs will pick up a free agent that will move the needle in the positive

Whatever else be said, this will not be close to the roster. The Salary Floor exists. The Spurs must spend significantly this offseason... That is why I suspect we will put a max in front of John Collins (he's the least bad of the options). Don't know if he takes it, nor if the Hawks match, but I suspect it will be offered.

[slick'81]

That’s not cool.


Dont worry hes only got two more years to coach

[MultiTroll]

:lol hilarious.

Not very accurate, but funny. You also forgot the "It's been 4 years and this guy is a bust, why is this guys still in the roster?", with all the newb/fabbs variations like "Pop shoulda traded this scrub on a rookie deal for Giannis when his stock was high after having two double-digit back to back games!111!!!!"
Are you talking about me? :lol

Draft night re #12 babyface:

Have faith in Spurs drafting you critical idiots.

Just because the dictator has drug the org in loserdom does not mean the excellent draft finds won't continue.

I like the pick. Bookmark it.

[TD 21]

Whatever else be said, this will not be close to the roster. The Salary Floor exists. The Spurs must spend significantly this offseason... That is why I suspect we will put a max in front of John Collins (he's the least bad of the options). Don't know if he takes it, nor if the Hawks match, but I suspect it will be offered.

I believe the penalty for not reaching the salary floor (90% of the cap) is to divvy up the the amount under it to the roster.

[widowmaker]

Whatever else be said, this will not be close to the roster. The Salary Floor exists. The Spurs must spend significantly this offseason... That is why I suspect we will put a max in front of John Collins (he's the least bad of the options). Don't know if he takes it, nor if the Hawks match, but I suspect it will be offered.

I don’t think Collins will take it. These Olympics have been very telling on how a lot of players around the league feel about playing in San Antonio or for the Spurs to be more specific. IF ANYONE gets signed it will be some washed up guy or somebody who is looking to prove they are healthy coming off of injuries.

[Atl Spur]

I don’t think Collins will take it. These Olympics have been very telling on how a lot of players around the league feel about playing in San Antonio or for the Spurs to be more specific. IF ANYONE gets signed it will be some washed up guy or somebody who is looking to prove they are healthy coming off of injuries.

Nah, players like money! Hopefully we make a splash.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Mr. Body, I hope you’re right. I’ve been bummed about my Spurs since draft night. Hopefully they saw what most other teams and none of the talking heads saw in this kid. At 20 to 30 in the draft I’d of been ok with the pick. I was hoping SA could get someone with some shooting and length who could help now.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

The only way I see him lasting as long as Chris if he changes his diet like Chris did with the plant based diet. Even though Harden's game is old man type of game you have to factor in injuries happening when you are out of shape. This compounds once you hit your 30's like what happened this year in the playoffs with Harden's hamstring.

Yes plant-based diet does help reducing injury and prolonging sport life. There is a documentary (The Gamer Changer). I hope Pop recommends it to all spurs players.

[widowmaker]

Nah, players like money! Hopefully we make a splash.


I doubt it

[ElNono]

Are you talking about me? :lol

Draft night re #12 babyface:

Yes, I was talking about you, Fabbs... but I was just kidding.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Sorta. The point of the post was that many of us were wrong about Primo. Then timvp posts some made up bitch fest about something completely different. Then users flock in to blow him.

It's just stupid.

:lmao

Yeah I woulda said the cycle for the last 5 years is What The Fuck is Wrong with PATFO and that's it.
I hope you're right about Primo. But PATFO have given no reason to have faith at this point.

[Brazil]

Spurs Draft Pick Life Cycle

1. OMG! WTF! That was a terrible pick. Pop and all his minions need to be fired. There were so many better players on the board!
2. Hmmm ... you know what, I actually kinda like the pick! <---- You Are Here
3. I can't believe Pop isn't playing the pick! Pop is ruining the best young player on the roster! Like I said from the beginning, this pick is a special player.
4. Wow. This player is so much better than everyone else in the rotation he's competing against.
5. I'm so glad the Spurs drafted the player I wanted.
6. Eh, he's pretty good but the new youngsters deserve his minutes now.
7. OMG! WTF! Why won't Pop stop playing his pets? This guy sucks and always sucked. I don't even know why the Spurs drafted him.

:lol tbh...

[Rummpd]

All you posters off base FO blew this terribly no matter how spun. Even if kid pans out he could have been had later.

[SAGirl]

Didn't know who he was when drafted, but after watching some highlights and interviews, I think he's definitely someone who can add things the team needs. I am really excited to see him play. I am in.

-----------
For the draft in general, that's an interesting topic that won't be sorted out from years. However I am excited by his add to the team for sure.

[Dingle Barry]

Sengun will be garbage in today's NBA. The only positive to the Primo pick is that he's not Sengun.

[Mr. Body]

*cough cough*

[SAGirl]

Hmmmm looking good.

[ducks]

I am being facetious, of course, but holy moly what a second-half coming out party for Primo. He's got 13 points in 10 minutes and still hasn't missed a shot (5 of 5).

[raybies]

:lol

2.5. I think he’ll make the Hall of Fame

well that's me right here...

[Leetonidas]

I am being facetious, of course, but holy moly what a second-half coming out party for Primo. He's got 13 points in 10 minutes and still hasn't missed a shot (5 of 5).

You didn't type this :lol

[Sugus]

You didn't type this :lol

I thought you were kidding at first, but he really didn't lmfao

1445214450450157572

fucking ducks :lmao

[playbonner15]

I thought you were kidding at first, but he really didn't lmfao

1445214450450157572

fucking ducks :lmao

so ducks is really jeff mcdonald????

[raybies]

so ducks is really jeff mcdonald????

that would actually make so much sense LUL no wonder his takes are soo ass

[ElNono]

This thread has classic potential, tbh... OP easily one of the worst posters here since tholdren's caregiver disconnected his internet...

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

You didn't type this :lol

I knew the second I read it, too. :lol


Just like any Trump slurper, all Ducks knows how to do is repeat what other people say, and follow orders. “March ‘em to the gas chamber? Whatever you say, boss!”

[Kurik]

Murray is out.

[Chinook]

Looks like we're all in now, riding with Primo as the new franchise player. We'll see. This would be one of the biggest called-shots in NBA history

[Mr. Body]

Nah, we'll trade off Primo in two years.

[KingKev]

Nah, we'll trade off Primo in two years.

LOL if he has any trade value

[playbonner15]

Looks like we're all in now, riding with Primo as the new franchise player. We'll see. This would be one of the biggest called-shots in NBA history
So with Dejounte gone, is Primo now the starting PG?

[Chinook]

So with Dejounte gone, is Primo now the starting PG?

Could be Jones for a year, but timvp's article says Josh is PG of the future.

[KingKev]

So with Dejounte gone, is Primo now the starting PG?

it has to be Tre Jones atleast to start the year and maybe Primo takes over mid season if he shows he can actually play point. Tre Jones is going to be in line for a nice offseason in 2023 imo.

[The Truth #6]

I expect some, uh, growing pains with Primo as a point guard. Next year we will lose a bunch, but how we lose (and play) is going to be interesting to see.

[cd98]

It will be fun to watch our young guys and also fun to see our lottery odds finally go up. This was long overdue, but maybe the Spurs didn't see a player that was worth this until the next draft.

[John B]

Dawn of the new era. Let’s go!

[Joseph Kony]

I don't get why the galaxy brain choads are saying that timvp whine-fest is on point? None of that ever happens!

But oh well, you love licking that dude's taint. Go ahead. The guy is wrong as anyone else here. Dude was crying when Poeltl received his last contract, which was instantly a bargain. And this was just him shitting the carpet and now everyone's dancing around it pretending it's manna. :lol

:lmao :lmao seething because timvp wrecked your dumbass along with the majority of the people in this thread

[Joseph Kony]

Sorta. The point of the post was that many of us were wrong about Primo. Then timvp posts some made up bitch fest about something completely different. Then users flock in to blow him.

It's just stupid.

is this why you made that stupid ass draft thread full of kindergarten level analysis, so you could be more like timvp? fucking loser :lol

[Mr. Body]

LMAO

Obsessed.

[Joseph Kony]

This thread has classic potential, tbh... OP easily one of the worst posters here since tholdren's caregiver disconnected his internet...
:lmao :lmao

:cry why dont people like me like timvp :cry

[Leetonidas]

:lol this guy has the audacity to call anyone an idiot

[Mr. Body]

:lol this guy has the audacity to call anyone an idiot

Sometimes I say cretin or horseface.

[Mr. Body]

If you kiddies really want a re-eval. The pick should have been Sengun. But take a look at that draft. Let me know if you need pointers on how to use google to find the information. The only other player that has been any good is Trey Murphy. Tre Mann has sorta been okay, but not really. It's legit a really, really bad draft from then on.

So... the Spurs actually did a pretty great maneuver taking a guy perceived to be later in the round higher, because the draft at that point was pretty lousy. Again, should have been Sengun. Murphy is a bit of a surprise, as he wasn't really that great at Virginia.

Again, to spell it out. Should have picked Sengun. Picking Primo wasn't terrible, considering. He needed work, but anyone at that point did and I wasn't writing him off.

What happened with him later is a separate issue than the draft pick itself. I suspect you know this but are pretending to be too stupid to understand.

Verdict: Sengun should have been the pick. Primo was not a bad pick there.

[timtonymanu]

https://i.imgflip.com/5i6mrm.jpg

:lmao reading this after the Primo incident

[offset formation]

This board...chef's kiss of vile hatred.

[rascal]

Sorta. The point of the post was that many of us were wrong about Primo. Then timvp posts some made up bitch fest about something completely different. Then users flock in to blow him.

It's just stupid.

Yeah, you were wrong about Primo.

[rascal]

If you kiddies really want a re-eval. The pick should have been Sengun. But take a look at that draft. Let me know if you need pointers on how to use google to find the information. The only other player that has been any good is Trey Murphy. Tre Mann has sorta been okay, but not really. It's legit a really, really bad draft from then on.

So... the Spurs actually did a pretty great maneuver taking a guy perceived to be later in the round higher, because the draft at that point was pretty lousy. Again, should have been Sengun. Murphy is a bit of a surprise, as he wasn't really that great at Virginia.

Again, to spell it out. Should have picked Sengun. Picking Primo wasn't terrible, considering. He needed work, but anyone at that point did and I wasn't writing him off.

What happened with him later is a separate issue than the draft pick itself. I suspect you know this but are pretending to be too stupid to understand.

Verdict: Sengun should have been the pick. Primo was not a bad pick there.

Primo was a horrible pick. He wasn't even very good.

[offset formation]

Primo was a horrible pick. He wasn't even very good.

If he were he'd be back in the League already. He'll eventually find his way back in somewhere probably but I doubt he's ever a consistent NBA starter year after year

[rascal]

:lmao :lmao seething because timvp wrecked your dumbass along with the majority of the people in this thread

Op is full of himself.

[rascal]

If he were he'd be back in the League already. He'll eventually find his way back in somewhere probably but I doubt he's ever a consistent NBA starter year after year

Doubt he ever plays in the NBA again. He wasn't very good and now taking time off.

[Gagnrath]

Doubt he ever plays in the NBA again. He wasn't very good and now taking time off.
Eh, Depends top Euro Money is pretty good but doesn't touch league average mid/level rotation player salary.
Top Asia money can be decent and if you get the right team you can be kinda like a local god celeb, which is fun his flashiness may Like that. (not sure he's quite the player to get that and depends a lot on his agent getting him into the right spot.)

Lots of guys who could cultivate nice livings at either of those really prefer the NBA due to money and life in a situation they culturally know/understand.

The issue is that there are world wide about 1500 people in any given year that have the basketball ability to really compete in the NBA. If you are in that select group you really do know it and have the opportunity to make very good money at basketball.

There's about another 3000 that can compete in basketball and make the equivalent of $75,000 per year which is average salary for most top level leagues, you will make some more from endorsements and other stuff but you also have expenses with that. If you are a part of that top roughly 5000 basketball players in the world the NBA has eyes on you and you are getting guides and offers towards making it happen unless you make clear you are heading for top Euro/Asia goals and that you aren't interested in the NBA, Even then if you are under 30 they will waive money at you. If you stand any shot at being in the top 5000 basketball players world wide and or 10,000 soccer players you have people in your ear trying to push you towards that and trying to get into/share your pockets. You're likely to get offers especially if you already showed up there for a minute and people know. He also didn't completely flame out. He popped up in National News for a day or two, San Antonio news for a couple of weeks. 2025 he'll get a camp invite or two and if he works/wants it especially if he progresses as a basketball player and person can easily be a bench guy by start of 2026/27 season.

[Mr. Body]

Primo was still like 19 when he was released, right? Writing him off at that point is stupid. He was showing flashes.

I invite the bright minds of the board to tell us who should have been selected instead of Primo at that spot. I already said Sengun should have been the pick. Always said that. And then Murphy.

Discounting those two, put your money where your ugly little mouths are. Who would you have picked?

[exstatic]

Eh, Depends top Euro Money is pretty good but doesn't touch league average mid/level rotation player salary.
Top Asia money can be decent and if you get the right team you can be kinda like a local god celeb, which is fun his flashiness may Like that. (not sure he's quite the player to get that and depends a lot on his agent getting him into the right spot.)

Lots of guys who could cultivate nice livings at either of those really prefer the NBA due to money and life in a situation they culturally know/understand.

The issue is that there are world wide about 1500 people in any given year that have the basketball ability to really compete in the NBA. If you are in that select group you really do know it and have the opportunity to make very good money at basketball.

There's about another 3000 that can compete in basketball and make the equivalent of $75,000 per year which is average salary for most top level leagues, you will make some more from endorsements and other stuff but you also have expenses with that. If you are a part of that top roughly 5000 basketball players in the world the NBA has eyes on you and you are getting guides and offers towards making it happen unless you make clear you are heading for top Euro/Asia goals and that you aren't interested in the NBA, Even then if you are under 30 they will waive money at you. If you stand any shot at being in the top 5000 basketball players world wide and or 10,000 soccer players you have people in your ear trying to push you towards that and trying to get into/share your pockets. You're likely to get offers especially if you already showed up there for a minute and people know. He also didn't completely flame out. He popped up in National News for a day or two, San Antonio news for a couple of weeks. 2025 he'll get a camp invite or two and if he works/wants it especially if he progresses as a basketball player and person can easily be a bench guy by start of 2026/27 season.

You don’t understand tort law at all. Teams know what he is, and anyone who signs him could be at least partially liable for any of his ‘activities’. He’s beyond radioactive, in NBA terms. Not worth the risk. Not good enough.

[Ariel]

He was showing flashes.
Indeed he was :lol

Truth be told, it was a very underwhelming draft. The one true miss was Sengun, because he was better and that much was obvious. Aside from that, Trey Murphy would have been much better, and you could add Herb Jones, but if we were to miss big, that was the draft. Really meh.

[The Truth #6]

Is this thread to bash Primo or Mr. Body, or both? You son of a bitch, I’m in! Lol.

[scott]

Still not mad at picking Primo over Sengun. At least Primo was a swing (and a miss) at the fences. Sengun is just another guy like Keldon: puts up nice looking stats on a shit team, but isn’t a true building block. Would be a nice rotation piece on an actual good team, but isn’t going to be the reason you’re a contender.

If we draft Sengun instead of Primo, it might have given us enough confidence to keep DJM and keep pushing for that play-in spot, and we’re stuck on that treadmill forever. It’s not like we took Primo at 11 and passed up Giannis or Kawhi a few spots later… Sengun isn’t anyone to lose sleep over.

[DPG21920]

Still not mad at picking Primo over Sengun. At least Primo was a swing (and a miss) at the fences. Sengun is just another guy like Keldon: puts up nice looking stats on a shit team, but isn’t a true building block. Would be a nice rotation piece on an actual good team, but isn’t going to be the reason you’re a contender.

If we draft Sengun instead of Primo, it might have given us enough confidence to keep DJM and keep pushing for that play-in spot, and we’re stuck on that treadmill forever. It’s not like we took Primo at 11 and passed up Giannis or Kawhi a few spots later… Sengun isn’t anyone to lose sleep over.

I disagree with this part. A lot of us never saw the upside in Primo. I dont think it’s a fair characterization of Primo or situation to say he was some super high upside, big downside pick. Thats what upset most of us and shocked so many scouts that he went as high as he did. He lacked athleticism, wasn’t already some pure big PG and there were serious questions about what the upside was even if he panned out.

Im fine with not getting Sengun too - it was not end of world taking Primo; but he was no where near some high reward risk IMVHO

[Dejounte]

A lot of us never saw the upside in Primo…

Who exactly on this forum do you think merits a statement like that? There are plenty of players in the NBA that Spurstalk never saw coming, including their own DJ Murray. A lot of folks here wanted him kicked off by year 3. This place isn’t the best judge of talent as much as you think it is. Saying “a lot” doesn’t really mean anything when there are only a few here that’s actually serious about it.

Every single person here is just a regular Joe and just because there are 100 regular Joes who may believe the same thing doesn’t justify it any more than one Joe believing it. No one here is an expert (including myself). Doesn’t matter how eloquently you write, how well you interpret stats, or how long you’ve been following the NBA.

What’s worse is you have some guys who don’t even put in that much effort but are the loudest. Those are your “voices of ST”. They watch a 3 minute highlight video and think they know it all. Or they saw one counting stat and think they’re mathematicians.

[scott]

I disagree with this part. A lot of us never saw the upside in Primo. I dont think it’s a fair characterization of Primo or situation to say he was some super high upside, big downside pick. Thats what upset most of us and shocked so many scouts that he went as high as he did. He lacked athleticism, wasn’t already some pure big PG and there were serious questions about what the upside was even if he panned out.

Im fine with not getting Sengun too - it was not end of world taking Primo; but he was no where near some high reward risk IMVHO

Well, the Spurs FO saw it - and their track record certainly holds more weight than the talent evaluators of ST.com. Yes, this is certainly “sniffer” mentality, but I still believe the Spurs track record of talent identification, evaluation, and development earns them some benefit of the doubt. Until they start blowing pick after pick for years on end, or there is a wholesale change in the FO, they’ll have that benefit of the doubt.

[scott]

Who exactly on this forum do you think merits a statement like that? There are plenty of players in the NBA that Spurstalk never saw coming, including their own DJ Murray. A lot of folks here wanted him kicked off by year 3. This place isn’t the best judge of talent as much as you think it is. Saying “a lot” doesn’t really mean anything when there are only a few here that’s actually serious about it.

Every single person here is just a regular Joe and just because there are 100 regular Joes who may believe the same thing doesn’t justify it any more than one Joe believing it. No one here is an expert (including myself). Doesn’t matter how eloquently you write, how well you interpret stats, or how long you’ve been following the NBA.

What’s worse is you have some guys who don’t even put in that much effort but are the loudest. Those are your “voices of ST”. They watch a 3 minute highlight video and think they know it all. Or they saw one counting stat and think they’re mathematicians.

For the bibliography, I’ll add the Zac Collins thread as a reference to this post.

ST.com is like any other website - filled with regular people who possess an over-inflated sense of the value of their own opinions. At least it’s not Twitter.

[Dejounte]

For the bibliography, I’ll add the Zac Collins thread as a reference to this post.

ST.com is like any other website - filled with regular people who possess an over-inflated sense of the value of their own opinions. At least it’s not Twitter.

What’s ironic here is that DPG complains about ST not recognizing the talent of the current roster in other threads but in his post here he’s leaning on the same crowd for their opinion on Primo. Which is it, man?

[DPG21920]

Well, the Spurs FO saw it - and their track record certainly holds more weight than the talent evaluators of ST.com. Yes, this is certainly “sniffer” mentality, but I still believe the Spurs track record of talent identification, evaluation, and development earns them some benefit of the doubt. Until they start blowing pick after pick for years on end, or there is a wholesale change in the FO, they’ll have that benefit of the doubt.

You know me - Im very much team FO on most things other than last 4-5 years; but I’ve always said they are amazing drafters even in that period. Im saying, even with the usual “sniffer” mentality here quote unquote, that more than usual were dismayed at the pick and didn’t see upside..

Putting ST aside though and just looking at “expert” opinions only? There was not a lot that thought or argued about his high upside. He was a meh prospect and very limited due to athletic profile on his upside and I just think its a bit revisionist to justify the pick (there are plenty of reasons to sort of justify it otherwise big picture) due to “upside”

[DPG21920]

What’s ironic here is that DPG complains about ST not recognizing the talent of the current roster in other threads but in his post here he’s leaning on the same crowd for their opinion on Primo. Which is it, man?

Lol - so because something in general is true (ST not valuing our guys overall) means EVERYTHING is wrong? Thats how children think tbh….and, if you read what I wrote, I very intentionally mentioned OUTSIDE of ST as well; as in mock drafts and write ups about Primo (whether it was TIMVP or the usual main draft guru sites)

[DPG21920]

Like Luka was an “upside” pick. His ceiling/archetype was very valuable but we knew there was bust potential. But his athletic profile etc made it a very risky boom or bust style pick. I dont think Primo was widely viewed like that. He didnt have that upside narrative outside of age; but it was not about his athleticism and overall upside more about his versatility and shooting translating and flashing some ability to handle PG abilities in a pinch.

[Dejounte]

Lol - so because something in general is true (ST not valuing our guys overall) means EVERYTHING is wrong? Thats how children think tbh….and, if you read what I wrote, I very intentionally mentioned OUTSIDE of ST as well; as in mock drafts and write ups about Primo (whether it was TIMVP or the usual main draft guru sites)

No, I was pointing out an inconsistency in your views in an attempt to make you re-think your position. It’s what adults do when they engage in discussion. My apologies, I thought I was talking to one.

[DPG21920]

No, I was pointing out an inconsistency in your views in an attempt to make you re-think your position. It’s what adults do when they engage in discussion. My apologies, I thought I was talking to one.

What is there to rethink? I didnt think he had upside when he was drafted. Spurs thinking that doesnt change my mind and what did he show that would have? We have the data now. It’s not inconsistency - it was one of the few times where even the usual sniffers were like meh on him. Thats not contracting my position at all that a lot of the time people here sh*t on Spurs youth. It aligns with it since they thought he sucked too lol

[DPG21920]

Also you need to chill IMVHO. You come off as emotionally unstable. You jumped in on a comment to someone else all aggressive & when I didn’t see it your way you immediately jump to “I thought this was an adult conversation” :lol. Like what?

Was I rude to you? Did I scream and yell? Does your logic work in reverse (since you didn’t change your opinion based on what I said are you no longer an adult?)

It’s a difference of opinion and it’s going to happen again. Might as well learn to chill about it

[TD 21]

If anything, the masses here generally overrate Spurs youth which is typical in sports where the majority are myopic and biased.

[Dejounte]

Also you need to chill IMVHO. You come off as emotionally unstable. You jumped in on a comment to someone else all aggressive & when I didn’t see it your way you immediately jump to “I thought this was an adult conversation” :lol. Like what?

Was I rude to you? Did I scream and yell? Does your logic work in reverse (since you didn’t change your opinion based on what I said are you no longer an adult?)

It’s a difference of opinion and it’s going to happen again. Might as well learn to chill about it

Sensitive much? What’s with this weird gas lighting? You’re the dude who started it with “that’s how children think…” as if that wasn’t coming off as an ass. If you can’t take it, don’t dish it. Read your own posts before you start acting like a crybaby and lying about whose coming off as aggressive. It’s so presumptuous that that’s your takeaway from just a few written sentences :lmao

[DPG21920]

Lol ok

[Drom John]

If you kiddies really want a re-eval. The pick should have been Sengun. But take a look at that draft. Let me know if you need pointers on how to use google to find the information. The only other player that has been any good is Trey Murphy. Tre Mann has sorta been okay, but not really. It's legit a really, really bad draft from then on.

So... the Spurs actually did a pretty great maneuver taking a guy perceived to be later in the round higher, because the draft at that point was pretty lousy. Again, should have been Sengun. Murphy is a bit of a surprise, as he wasn't really that great at Virginia.

Again, to spell it out. Should have picked Sengun. Picking Primo wasn't terrible, considering. He needed work, but anyone at that point did and I wasn't writing him off.

What happened with him later is a separate issue than the draft pick itself. I suspect you know this but are pretending to be too stupid to understand.

Verdict: Sengun should have been the pick. Primo was not a bad pick there.

Generally agree that 2021 wan't a good draft year, but by basketball-reference VORP, the redraft available at #11 with career positive VORP so far would be:

#11 (4 if starting redraft at #1) Murphy
#12 (6) Sengun
#13 (7) Herbert Jones
#14 (8) Grimes
#15 (9) Hyland
#16 (10) Aldama
#17 (11) Bassey
#18 (12) Isaiah Jackson
#19 (14) Jalen Johnson
#20 (15) Garuba
#21 (16) Sims
#22 (18) Springer
#23 (19) Robinson-Earl
#24 (20) Garza
#25 (21) Mamukelashvili
#26 and below all have zero VORP or worse.

Switching to redraft starting at #1 (actual draft)
#47 (11) Primo, better than
#48 (10) Ziare Williams
#51 (5) Suggs
#53 (9) Davion Mitchell

[scott]

Spurs Draft Pick Life Cycle

1. OMG! WTF! That was a terrible pick. Pop and all his minions need to be fired. There were so many better players on the board!
2. Hmmm ... you know what, I actually kinda like the pick! <---- You Are Here
3. I can't believe Pop isn't playing the pick! Pop is ruining the best young player on the roster! Like I said from the beginning, this pick is a special player.
4. Wow. This player is so much better than everyone else in the rotation he's competing against.
5. I'm so glad the Spurs drafted the player I wanted.
6. Eh, he's pretty good but the new youngsters deserve his minutes now.
7. OMG! WTF! Why won't Pop stop playing his pets? This guy sucks and always sucked. I don't even know why the Spurs drafted him.

Need to adjusted the Life Cycle to account for unanticipated dick flashing.

[vy65]

Some of the posts regarding BWrong's drafting prowess reminded me of this gem of a thread.

[timtonymanu]

ROFL OP supporting a predator. He should never post here again.

[scott]

OP needs to shoot himself in the head.

[GAustex]

OP should’ve bet the under

[K...]

sigh, we had actual NBA players back then like poertle and Richardson. it's no coincidence that we suck because we traded all our well rounded vets for marginal talents and 3p shooting specialists. Its stupid to argue that last years would not be a 500 side if they didnt trade the vets . But they did and most would say rightfully so, so i don't see what the problem is. Even after tanking our chances at wenby weren't great, Thank fate for your ability to gloat at this point.

everyone blaming pop is ignoring that the kind of coaching we need is coaching from on the court.

[Chinook]

This was arguably the only wholesome meme ST had. Shame it fell apart so quickly.

[spurraider21]

This was arguably the only wholesome meme ST had. Shame it fell apart so quickly.
it still hurts

[baseline bum]

it still hurts

bend over, I'll make it still hurt

[spurraider21]

bend over, I'll make it still hurt
6

[baseline bum]

6

they were selling your shit

[Chinook]

they were selling your shit

But can Kawhi wipe his own ass yet?

[spurraider21]

But can Kawhi wipe his own ass yet?
splitter still cant post up fisher