Dubious Kangaroo Shrine of Jockstrap Landale

[ElNono]

:lol Spurs playing 4D chess while the rest of the league was sleeping on this guy.

All bow down to the Australian King... re-staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacked

:worthy::worthy::worthy:

[slick'81]

Aron baynes 2.0 leets go

[ElNono]

Not going to lie, intriguing prospect, tbh

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Xzibit heard the spurs likedd stacks so he stacked our stacks with stacks of stacked stacks tbj

[MultiTroll]

Has he got Stage 4 Covid wth?
Continued out until at least Nov 22nd.

[MultiTroll]

Crater said anything about his playing time?

Chained to the bench again tonight vs Phx 1st half.

[TDMVPDPOY]

even when poetl was out, this clown still couldnt get any minutes...wasting his time

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even when poetl was out, this clown still couldnt get any minutes...wasting his time

Yup. I'd be fucking furious I'd I was him.

[spurraider21]

he's probably thinking why he came all the way to the US for this

[emanueldavidginobili]

he's probably thinking why he came all the way to the US for this
Exactly dude was the finals MVP in the NBL and a big part of that Australian team that placed bronze in the Olympics and now he can't get a second of time on the Spurs.

[Chomag]

Are y'all sure this guy is on the Spurs roster?

[John B]

Thad needs to be traded and get settled with Spurs rotation already.

[RC_Drunkford]

:pop: "Still not over himself"

[bluebellmaniac]

Seems like he could do some time in Austin, to get some reps. Is he opposing that? Who knows...

[B1gduff]

even when poetl was out, this clown still couldnt get any minutes...wasting his time

umm....wasn't he also out with covud during the same time????

[jermaine]

I'm furious every time I see our bigs just constant setting pick after pick an cant spread the floor. But we have a big that can al least attempt a 3ball. Purtel with these fucking 12ft push shots, Thad Young NEVER look to shoot, an Eubanks only can dunk. They all just clog the lane.

[Fireball]

I'm furious every time I see our bigs just constant setting pick after pick an cant spread the floor. But we have a big that can al least attempt a 3ball. Purtel with these fucking 12ft push shots, Thad Young NEVER look to shoot, an Eubanks only can dunk. They all just clog the lane.

yeah if Primo can get playing time as a newbie in the system, I don't see a reason why Jock should not play if Eubanks is definitely not working out (and I think he is not working out)

[KingKev]

Jok sent to Austin to get over himself.

[RC_Drunkford]

:pop: „ I told Jock to admit that Drew is better than him. He didn’t want to listen, so he will learn by watching from the bench“

[KingKev]

:pop: „ I told Jock to admit that Drew is better than him. He didn’t want to listen, so he will learn by watching from the bench“

Hahathat probably ia the case despite the fact we know Drew is not NBA level talent and I suspect Landale isn’t either. I understand Primo in Austin but why not just play Jok with the big boy club. He potentially fills an obvious need. I guess time in Austin won’t hurt if he isn’t going to play at the main club and I’m happy with the tank job thus far. Securing a top 5 pick and a farewell to Pop would be a huge win for the franchise for the 2021-22 season.

[Ocotillo]

https://twitter.com/austin_spurs/status/1468628992030920704

Looks like Jock will be getting some reps......

[Degoat]

I’m so confused as to why Jock hasn’t gotten some more run with the big club. He looked great in the preseason, maybe they’re getting him use to the speed and athleticism in the NBA? Idk

[KingKev]

I’m so confused as to why Jock hasn’t gotten some more run with the big club. He looked great in the preseason, maybe they’re getting him use to the speed and athleticism in the NBA? Idk

He probably isn’t NBA level talent. Can’t be that hard to beat out Eubanks who is not an NBA player. Ewbanks, Jock, KBD, Bryn need to be 12-15th men who only play in garbage time or due to multiple injuries. In a better world none of these guys see any time ever.

[spurraider21]

I’m so confused as to why Jock hasn’t gotten some more run with the big club.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/027/763/07B89120-B48D-45FB-AF1D-49AF6CD16790.jpeg

[MultiTroll]

I’m so confused as to why Jock hasn’t gotten some more run with the big club. He looked great in the preseason, maybe they’re getting him use to the speed and athleticism in the NBA? Idk
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/ovsOEZKCvTM0DlliSBh9cw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTM1MztjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/uA0D7illtDRg_bi62DNfKw--~B/aD0xMDAwO3c9MjAwMDthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/insider_articles_922/35fc899d4f5dd59f6a7ab999d13b4b14

[DeRozan m8]

Fuck the old man...officially time to retire.

Jock is so much better than Eubanks it's not funny.

His ceiling is decent as well.

This team is run like fucking shit now....a true disgrace to what Timmy built and Manu and TP added to.

[jermaine]

Jock did great against NBA best in the world games. Pop just want shit his way an his way only.

[The Truth #6]

The Jock situation. It’s definitely a counter argument to those who think the rotations are based on logic and meritocracy. As a three point shooter from the 5 position, he provides an incredibly needed skill set for the team that has the worst shooting profile. But you know, the concussion then Covid, just not his year Pop seems to be thinking. Very weird.

[jermaine]

The Jock situation. It’s definitely a counter argument to those who think the rotations are based on logic and meritocracy. As a three point shooter from the 5 position, he provides an incredibly needed skill set for the team that has the worst shooting profile. But you know, the concussion then Covid, just not his year Pop seems to be thinking. Very weird.

Like frfr... He would instantly spread the floor for Murray an White. White gets picks an run around it 3 times cuz he can't really shoot an the bigs man falls back into the paint cuz they know our bigs can shoot. All I can hope foe is Pop was letting Thad get burn so other teams can see him an allowing Eubanks to prove he dont belong. It's hard to watch Spurs basketball these days. Not cuz we're losing, but because of these dumb & stubborn rotations. The White an Murray experiment should be over by now. Bring White off the bench, start Walker.

[RC_Drunkford]

Come on we've seen this movie before over and over again. Same situation as playing Bonner over Splitter. Pop is just thinking Jock is not ready for the NBA yet.

[KobesAchilles]

Jock sucks. Dude is probably carrying Ewbanks bags around the facility after getting dunked on every practice

[JeffDuncan]

Come on we've seen this movie before over and over again. Same situation as playing Bonner over Splitter. Pop is just thinking Jock is not ready for the NBA yet.


Jock is probably just having trouble figuring out Pop’s chinese fire drill defensive schemes.

[The Truth #6]

Jock sucks. Dude is probably carrying Ewbanks bags around the facility after getting dunked on every practice

Jock sucks? Forbes is awesome? Are you promoting the Tank, maybe?

[XDT76]

It seems like Landale is the starting 5 tonight let's see what he got.

[Dejounte]

He looks damn good. That drive and kick was awesome.

[GB20]

Landale shouldn’t be in the G-league. Pop has definitely lost his fucking mind.

[XDT76]

Landale shouldn’t be in the G-league. Pop has definitely lost his fucking mind.


If this is what he needs to go through to get time with the big guys I am ok, just hope that he is the 1st big off the bench by Xmas

[MultiTroll]

Our most glaring need is a tall 4 that can also stroke consistent treys.
TYoung mostly on bench till recently.
McDipper overpaid dumb sign
KBD whatever.
Jock benched and now sent to Austin.

:lmao
CIA Grandpa has some master plan in effect.

[Dejounte]

Our most glaring need is a tall 4 that can also stroke consistent treys.
TYoung mostly on bench till recently.
McDipper overpaid dumb sign
KBD whatever.
Jock benched and now sent to Austin.

:lmao
CIA Grandpa has some master plan in effect.

Landale doesn’t look quick enough to play the four. He’s a center through and through.

[Mr. Body]

It's embarrassing to send a player as accomplished as Jock Landale to the G-League.

[MultiTroll]

Landale doesn’t look quick enough to play the four. He’s a center through and through.
C who can stroke treys will also be a major upgrade to our limited boring offense.

[Dejounte]

C who can stroke treys will also be a major upgrade to our limited boring offense.

i don’t disagree

[Dejounte]

That transition “D” by Landale is an example why he can’t play 4 full-time

[Dejounte]

Landale’s positioning and timing on his jumps… beautiful

[Ocotillo]

Only 8 boards? He’s no Luka S :lol

[Dejounte]

Wieskamp was pretty dominant in this game too… that drive to the basket was impressive. He tries to diversify his scoring

[Dejounte]

Only 8 boards? He’s no Luka S :lol

Cacok is swallowing up all the rebounds. I think he’s a perfect frontcourt partner with Landale.

[KobesAchilles]

Jock sucks? Forbes is awesome? Are you promoting the Tank, maybe?
I'm driving the tank. I think we get the 4th pick if we lose tonight. not too sure

[Ocotillo]

Cacok is swallowing up all the rebounds. I think he’s a perfect frontcourt partner with Landale.
I was joking around about Sandwich but Cacock is a G-League stud

[playbonner15]

Cacok is swallowing up all the rebounds. I think he’s a perfect frontcourt partner with Landale.

like i said Pop's just afraid to Jock-Cacok...... it's almost 2022, we wont judge

[MI21]

It's embarrassing to send a player as accomplished as Jock Landale to the G-League.

Yeah, it really is.

Landale doesn't quite have the athleticism of Eubanks, but his ability to actually make good reads, pass the ball well for a big-man and shoot 33%-37% from 3 make him a much better fit in the second unit.

[Chinook]

I don't know why people assume that a guy like SOB can't benefit from a random d-league game. Folks will simultaneously believe the d-league sucks so bad that it's demeaning to play in while also collapsing in pure ecstasy when someone has a good performance there. He went down there and got good run while performing the way a good prospect should. That was good for him and the team. He may not end up being long for the team (since that send-down could've been to showcase him for a Young trade), or he could be getting ready to compete for a roster spot, but either way, it's good to let him shake off the rust and adjust to NBA athleticism in a low-pressure situation.

[gambit1990]

next one to request to a trade.

[8FOR!3]

I don't know why you guys are surprised. Pop did the same thing with Baynes when he came here. He makes players earn their playing time and the new guy isn't going to get minutes over someone like Eubanks where he knows what he has. Maybe he's very wrong for it, but he's also considered the GOAT by a lot of people. Pop's just been very reluctant to give new guys minutes their first season unless they're a veteran in the league like McDermott.

[playbonner15]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GL2SFH1XM8

[John B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GL2SFH1XM8

Easily he has better skill sets than any of our bigs, and he’s burning holes in the bench. I hope this is getting him in game shape so they can start plugging him in meaningful minutes.

[XDT76]

He is good but the game also shows that he is not in game shape and he is a bit lost on defense.

[Dejounte]

Truly hope there is a plan for this guy and that he’s here to replace Eubanks or Thad by next season. Same with Collins.

PF rotation next year:
Keldon/ KBD/ 2022 FRP (maybe the 2022 FRP moved Keldon to the bench eventually if Keldon doesn’t take a developmental leap)

C rotation next year:
Poeltl/ alternate between Landale and Collins if the team needs more offense with Landale or 48 minutes of defense with Collins

[The Truth #6]

He definitely should get some minutes with the Spurs to kick the tires. And that’s my beef, not that I know that Jock is awesome but we don’t get a chance to figure out what we have. But it’s been this way for a long ass time, so shouldn’t be surprising, though it’s definitely head scratching at best.

[jermaine]

He is good but the game also shows that he is not in game shape and he is a bit lost on defense.

If he got 26 an not in "Game shape"... what could he score if he was!?!

[spurraider21]

I don't know why people assume that a guy like SOB can't benefit from a random d-league game. Folks will simultaneously believe the d-league sucks so bad that it's demeaning to play in while also collapsing in pure ecstasy when someone has a good performance there. He went down there and got good run while performing the way a good prospect should. That was good for him and the team. He may not end up being long for the team (since that send-down could've been to showcase him for a Young trade), or he could be getting ready to compete for a roster spot, but either way, it's good to let him shake off the rust and adjust to NBA athleticism in a low-pressure situation.
getting minutes in the big leagues > playing in gleague > rotting on bench of big leagues

[DeRozan m8]

Jock sucks. Dude is probably carrying Ewbanks bags around the facility after getting dunked on every practice

Yeah, but everyone knows you're a dumb cunt

[Chomag]

If he puts it together Dude has every tool to be a very productive big player in the League.
Well also he has got to get thru Pop's BS but that's probably the hardest part lol

[KobesAchilles]

Yeah, but everyone knows you're a dumb cunt
Well that may be the case but it doesn't change the fact that Jock suuuuucks.

[ChumpDumper]

If he got 26 an not in "Game shape"... what could he score if he was!?!Against those short guys in Frisco? Probably 40.

[Mr. Body]

Jock dropped another 28 on 10-13 shooting. Don't tell Pop, though.

[spurraider21]

Against those short guys in Frisco? Probably 40.
So then what’s the value of gleague experience?

[ChumpDumper]

So then what’s the value of gleague experience?Depends on the player and the competition.

I don't think the last two games have been much of a challenge for Jock because Frisco is playing really short centers; not really centers at all. The benefit for him could be as simple as conditioning and game experience with plays and defensive sets. I do think a guy like Primo has been challenged by his competition in several G-League games.

If you don't believe it's good for any send-down at any time, OK.

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Easily he has better skill sets than any of our bigs, and he’s burning holes in the bench. I hope this is getting him in game shape so they can start plugging him in meaningful minutes.

Damn its refreshing to see a big that plays above the rim, and has nice shooting form, capable of efficient shooting from mid-range and from 3.

[gambit1990]

i get that it's just g league but i'd ask for a trade if i got no real minutes before the deadline approaches. the dude could get PT somewhere.

[RC_Drunkford]

From Pop‘s comments it seems he’s down there to get his conditioning up. Although I think he has enough stamina to play 15-20 min off the bench. I‘d love to see him get real minutes this year, but I don’t expect it

[playbonner15]

Pop was lucid enough to play Jock against the Jazz.... contributed well in the win

[jermaine]

Did anyone get wet when Jock checked in the game? An I came on myself at the 7min mark when he checked into the 4th.

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For anyone wondering how Landale feels about it...well he hates it. He's focusing on stuff like body fat percentage (to keep from going mad):

https://airalamo.com/posts/san-antonio-spurs-jock-landale-handling-frustration-not-playing

Lol. Fuck pop.

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Pop was lucid enough to play Jock against the Jazz.... contributed well in the win

Then praised his play, post-game. At least I didn't see anywhere in Pop's comments that he was earning more playing time. That shit is the kiss of death and stuff of career enders with the Spurs.

[slick'81]

[QUOTE=offset formation;10655232]Then praised his play, post-game. At least I didn't see anywhere in Pop's comments that he was earning more playing time. That shit is the kiss of death and stuff of career enders with the Spurs.[/QUOTE

with thad in the doghouse it should provide an opportunity. Unless pop continues to over rely on ewwbanks

[jermaine]

It's crazy cuz as soon as he came in the floor got wide open for our small guys.

[jermaine]

[QUOTE=offset formation;10655232]Then praised his play, post-game. At least I didn't see anywhere in Pop's comments that he was earning more playing time. That shit is the kiss of death and stuff of career enders with the Spurs.[/QUOTE

with thad in the doghouse it should provide an opportunity. Unless pop continues to over rely on ewwbanks

I like Eubanks but only at 10-12mins a game.

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[QUOTE=slick'81;10655261]

I like Eubanks but only at 10-12mins a game.

I like his aggression over Poeltl. I dont like either Eubanks or Poeltl offensively tho both do decently on the PnR.

[jermaine]

[QUOTE=jermaine;10655285]

I like his aggression over Poeltl. I dont like either Eubanks or Poeltl offensively tho both do decently on the PnR.

Facts. I love Jock over both of them.

[John B]

I think we’ll see more of Landale as the season progresses. Landale knows the game as per Pop’s interview, like Tony and Manu coming in from international games. Landale’s stint at Austin is to get him more in game-shape and the speed of NBA players, and I think Landale has shown enough to make Pop test him against the Jazz in meaningful minutes, and I think Landale responded very well. He has been patient instead of whining over it. He’s shown great attitude, doing everything he’s told, and ready to play when his number was called. I suspect we’ll see more of him going forward.

[RC_Drunkford]

I think we’ll see more of Landale as the season progresses. Landale knows the game as per Pop’s interview, like Tony and Manu coming in from international games. Landale’s stint at Austin is to get him more in game-shape and the speed of NBA players, and I think Landale has shown enough to make Pop test him against the Jazz in meaningful minutes, and I think Landale responded very well. He has been patient instead of whining over it. He’s shown great attitude, doing everything he’s told, and ready to play when his number was called. I suspect we’ll see more of him going forward.

in other words: He’s over himself now :pop:

[jermaine]

I'm definitely cumming tonight... I see Jock early

[jermaine]

Purtel getting murdered an Pop don't put Jock in why exactly!?! Cuz he made a defensive mistake? The kings picked on Purtel an he doesn't spread the floor worth a damn. Stevie Wonder can see how Jock spreads the floor an the lanes open up for everyone.

[KingKev]

Purtel getting murdered an Pop don't put Jock in why exactly!?! Cuz he made a defensive mistake? The kings picked on Purtel an he doesn't spread the floor worth a damn. Stevie Wonder can see how Jock spreads the floor an the lanes open up for everyone.

At least you busted a nut. Landale is not the saviour. Damion Jones >>>> Jock Landale. Think about that.

[jbspurs]

Purtel getting murdered an Pop don't put Jock in why exactly!?! Cuz he made a defensive mistake? The kings picked on Purtel an he doesn't spread the floor worth a damn. Stevie Wonder can see how Jock spreads the floor an the lanes open up for everyone.

Exactly what was on my mind at the game earlier. Pop even put Jones on Haliburton in the 4th. It was over when Haliburton went to work on Jones and Jakob.

[jermaine]

I was sad. It's time for Pop to go. If you're gonna get beat cuz Jock makes a mistake, at least he spreads the floor. It's clear Purtel & Eubanks can give us much of anything. An they're getting beat on defense. What's the difference if Jock gets beat!?! I don't think Jock is the savior, I just think he opens the floor an give driving lanes

[wildbill2u]

Does Jock have the defensive skills to play some PF. When we play teams with two legit big men at the C and PF positions, all we got is one big (Drew or Poertle) and a slew of undersized players giving away inches and pounds. Since he likes to play outside on offense, does he have the speed to defend some big men out there as well????? Speculating because I haven't seen enough of him in games to tell.

[Ocotillo]

Does Jock have the defensive skills to play some PF. When we play teams with two legit big men at the C and PF positions, all we got is one big (Drew or Poertle) and a slew of undersized players giving away inches and pounds. Since he likes to play outside on offense, does he have the speed to defend some big men out there as well????? Speculating because I haven't seen enough of him in games to tell.

I don't think so.

[KingKev]

Does Jock have the defensive skills to play some PF. When we play teams with two legit big men at the C and PF positions, all we got is one big (Drew or Poertle) and a slew of undersized players giving away inches and pounds. Since he likes to play outside on offense, does he have the speed to defend some big men out there as well????? Speculating because I haven't seen enough of him in games to tell.

Way to slow on defense to play the 4 unfortunately.

[offset formation]

At least you busted a nut. Landale is not the saviour. Damion Jones >>>> Jock Landale. Think about that.

Does that mean Jones > Poeltl too, then? Should I let that stew in my noodle too?

[offset formation]

Way to slow on defense to play the 4 unfortunately.

yeah he has zero lateral movement. But at least he stretches the floor and is a decent defender of the 5. He just can't stay with any switches beyond the 5 really which kinda makes him unplayable, I'm sad to say.

[Sugus]

Does that mean Jones > Poeltl too, then? Should I let that stew in my noodle too?

:lol nah, just Pop < any other coach in the NBA pretty much, at least in regards to gameplan & X and O's.

You can have the best tools and be shit at every job you do, if you don't utilize them correctly. And last night... Was a tragedy for tools around the world.

[Slippy]

At least you busted a nut. Landale is not the saviour. Damion Jones >>>> Jock Landale. Think about that.

Going back to Drew in the 2nd half wasnt the solution however. Jock's1st half play was good enough.

[Slippy]

Best game so far. His impact cant be ignored. Threes, rebounding and stout defense. Yet to be used in the post which is his strength.

The big question how will grandpa progress from here in regards to his role.

My prediction. He will soon forget and drew will be ahead of him in the rotation. Not enough to be ingrained in pops mind.

I hope im wrong.

[MultiTroll]

2-2 on treys. :toast

How long until freedom from Grandpas hindrance?

[John B]

Until Landale is starting to get Pop’s trust. Obviously Spurs are better with him on the court, as he stretches the floor and his motor. As I’ve said I think we’ll start seeing more and more. Also I think they’ve decided to not play Thad anymore. Obviously the guy did not appreciate the minutes Pop tried to play him and whine about his minutes, when I thought he understood where Spurs are in rebuilding mode playing and developing the young players.

[SpurPadre]

Thing is, will Zollins steal his minutes just when we think he's about to earn more?

[bluebellmaniac]

Thing is, will Zollins steal his minutes just when we think he's about to earn more?

Zollins can play PF. Should be able to play with Landale. How's Zach's 3? Can he space the floor like Landale?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Zollins can play PF.

Very unlikely after his 50 foot surgeries.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Very unlikely after his 50 foot surgeries.

We can build him better…

[Spursfanfromafar]

Between Jak and Jock, our center-rotation is set. Role players both, but bringing different skills to the table. Its very nice to see. Now if Zollins can come from injury and threaten McDermott's place as the starting 4, the Spurs will have a decent frontcourt to complement a good backcourt. Sadly all of them are third/fourth options in a championship winning team and have little but significant flaws.

[Dejounte]

I didn’t realize Zach’s shot profile consisted of him shooting nearly a third of his shots from 3. That’s more frequent than Keldon does it (though Keldon has twice as many attempts). I’m surprised. He’s not Thaddeus-hopeless from 3. He does have hope as a four provided his feet hasn’t killed his career. From tape, he’s very springy and active with his feet. Always taking small, quick hops on defense and when rebounding. Really reminds me of Samanic in that regard. Zach is nowhere near as unicorn as Samanic was, but I wonder now if he really was brought in with the plan of replacing Samanic in mind. It would mean they gave up on Luka much earlier than pre-season.

On paper, Zach would be the perfect fit with Landale. If Zach’s 3 pt shooting is better than advertised, then he wouldn’t be a bad fit with Poeltl either. The Spurs… have a plan, after all?

Not counting my ducks just yet as it’s way too early to tell, but it’s fun to think about.

[Atl Spur]

Glad to see you guys coming around.....If healthy, Zach will open some eyes! Plays the game the right way and with passion.

[CGD]

I really liked this pick up from the start. If he regains Portland levels, he could will make a run for the starting job (and make Jakob an interesting trade chip). More likely, though, he never gets back to that form but something like 80% of it, which is still enough to be the unquestionable first big off the bench on this current squad.

In other news, it does seem like Drew's days are numbered. As much as i like the guy on a human level, i think it's past time

[Atl Spur]

I think Zach and Poodle can play together.

[KingKev]

Between Jak and Jock, our center-rotation is set. Role players both, but bringing different skills to the table. Its very nice to see. Now if Zollins can come from injury and threaten McDermott's place as the starting 4, the Spurs will have a decent frontcourt to complement a good backcourt. Sadly all of them are third/fourth options in a championship winning team and have little but significant flaws.

Keldon has been playing the 4. We need complimentary players at the 4/5 who who can play together. That is where synergies are established. Jok isn’t complimentary to Jak he is a substitute.

If Collins returns to 75-80% of the player he was (physically) before he went down, he still has quite the upside and I suspect will supplant Eubanks and Jok in short order.

We need a real upgrade at the 4 to play with Jak.

[MultiTroll]

Landale should start.

Poodles ceiling is .500

Landale
KJ
Vassel
DJ
Primo

off the bench
IV
White
Poodle

[rjv]

I really liked this pick up from the start. If he regains Portland levels, he could will make a run for the starting job (and make Jakob an interesting trade chip). More likely, though, he never gets back to that form but something like 80% of it, which is still enough to be the unquestionable first big off the bench on this current squad.

In other news, it does seem like Drew's days are numbered. As much as i like the guy on a human level, i think it's past time

yeah, i like the guy and applaud his energy and effort but drew just doesn't have any upside left. he's likely not going to see the floor that much from here on. same goes for thaddeus.

[offset formation]

Between Jak and Jock, our center-rotation is set. Role players both, but bringing different skills to the table. Its very nice to see. Now if Zollins can come from injury and threaten McDermott's place as the starting 4, the Spurs will have a decent frontcourt to complement a good backcourt. Sadly all of them are third/fourth options in a championship winning team and have little but significant flaws.

Yup, the nice thing about Zollins is if he's on his 3 game upon return, you could conceivably have him play the 4, which would allow KJ to play the (SF) wing player role which he's clearly much better suited for now given his size, and now that his 3pt game has become increasingly lethal and accurate, you aren't losing a spot to a bad shooter.

I might actually reconsider the tank commander unit if you could run out a starting five of Murray, White, KJ, Zollins, and Poeltl. Bench unit would be Tre, Walker, Vassell, McDermott, Young/Landale with Primo able to slide in relatively easily to the 2 or even 3 for either unit. KBD, Young, and dare I say Forbes actually become really nice filler for players having a bad night or for an injury.

*That* team could potentially get hot enough to still find its way into the playoffs, and *maybe* even win a matchup against a Lakers or Clippers or Nuggets or Mavericks.

The only reason I'm even considering getting off the tank crew is that KJ, Walker, and White have really begun to show some versatility (or returned to playing well in White's case) to the extent that when they're *all* playing well, the team is an entirely different beast. Add in the possibilities of what Zollins and Primo could bring you, and decent bench contributors, and you **might** have a team that’s worthy of playing to their full extent.

[The Truth #6]

Yup, the nice thing about Zollins is if he's on his 3 game upon return, you could conceivably have him play the 4, which would allow KJ to play the (SF) wing player role which he's clearly much better suited for now given his size, and now that his 3pt game has become increasingly lethal and accurate, you aren't losing a spot to a bad shooter.

I might actually reconsider the tank commander unit if you could run out a starting five of Murray, White, KJ, Zollins, and Poeltl. Bench unit would be Tre, Walker, Vassell, McDermott, Young/Landale with Primo able to slide in relatively easily to the 2 or even 3 for either unit. KBD, Young, and dare I say Forbes actually become really nice filler for players having a bad night or for an injury.

*That* team could potentially get hot enough to still find its way into the playoffs, and *maybe* even win a matchup against a Lakers or Clippers or Nuggets or Mavericks.

The only reason I'm even considering getting off the tank crew is that KJ, Walker, and White have really begun to show some versatility (or returned to playing well in White's case) to the extent that when they're *all* playing well, the team is an entirely different beast. Add in the possibilities of what Zollins and Primo could bring you, and decent bench contributors, and you **might** have a team that’s worthy of playing to their full extent.

Well said.

[playbonner15]

the tank crew is that KJ, Walker, and White have really begun to show some versatility (or returned to playing well in White's case) to the extent that when they're *all* playing well, the team is an entirely different beast

It's hard not to root for the Spurs when the young guys are playing well esp vs good competition.... it's also frustrating but funny when Spurs regress when playing bad teams..... I guess that's why some analysts say that the Spurs are a superstar away from being top contenders, someone has to be consistent enough to carry the team (and have the 'superstar status' not to be pulled by Pop) when everyone's sucking

[KingKev]

It's hard not to root for the Spurs when the young guys are playing well esp vs good competition.... it's also frustrating but funny when Spurs regress when playing bad teams..... I guess that's why some analysts say that the Spurs are a superstar away from being top contenders, someone has to be consistent enough to carry the team (and have the 'superstar status' not to be pulled by Pop) when everyone's sucking


haha are these “spurstalk analysts” who say we are a super star away?

[Gagnrath]

Yup, the nice thing about Zollins is if he's on his 3 game upon return, you could conceivably have him play the 4, which would allow KJ to play the (SF) wing player role which he's clearly much better suited for now given his size, and now that his 3pt game has become increasingly lethal and accurate, you aren't losing a spot to a bad shooter.

I might actually reconsider the tank commander unit if you could run out a starting five of Murray, White, KJ, Zollins, and Poeltl. Bench unit would be Tre, Walker, Vassell, McDermott, Young/Landale with Primo able to slide in relatively easily to the 2 or even 3 for either unit. KBD, Young, and dare I say Forbes actually become really nice filler for players having a bad night or for an injury.

*That* team could potentially get hot enough to still find its way into the playoffs, and *maybe* even win a matchup against a Lakers or Clippers or Nuggets or Mavericks.

The only reason I'm even considering getting off the tank crew is that KJ, Walker, and White have really begun to show some versatility (or returned to playing well in White's case) to the extent that when they're *all* playing well, the team is an entirely different beast. Add in the possibilities of what Zollins and Primo could bring you, and decent bench contributors, and you **might** have a team that’s worthy of playing to their full extent.

Z. Collins is ok for spot minutes at the four before the foot injury not planning on significant minutes there. He's not keeping up with modern PF starters for long periods defensively. He and jock have a lot of overlap and similarities. If it was 2000-2010 I would be more ok with either of them there. I would like to see Johnson as a three not a four he doesn't really have the height to be super effective as a four. If we had a star level tweener forward I would say sure call either of them whatever forward and let them play together because you don't let a starter level player ride the pine unless you have a better replacement, but as it is we as the Spurs have a tweener forward who seems more suited to playing the three starting bat four because bas nearly bad I can tell we have no power forward on our roster where that's the natural position.

[Max_Spurs]

Jock is a baller. You can see how smart and active (usually comes together) he is, how well he reads the game even though it's his first experience in the league. He's a better version of Matt Bonner, who we used so successfully in the playoffs for some of our best runs.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/spursdjlw/status/1473532587138236418?s=21

[jermaine]

DJ knows who opens the floor for him or KJ to drive the lanes. The fact he said sooooooo... Lmmfao

[Dejounte]

It’s not just opening up lanes. Jock is a million times better scoring inside, rebounding, passing, and overall awareness than that scrub Eubanks.

[jermaine]

It’s not just opening up lanes. Jock is a million times better scoring inside, rebounding, passing, and overall awareness than that scrub Eubanks.

Facts. I like Drew... but he's just seriously overplayed. 10mins a game is ok.

[Atl Spur]

Drew’s days in the rotation are numbered.

[KingKev]

Drew’s days in the LEAGUE are numbered.

Fixed

[Chucho]

Jock is a baller. You can see how smart and active (usually comes together) he is, how well he reads the game even though it's his first experience in the league. He's a better version of Matt Bonner, who we used so successfully in the playoffs for some of our best runs.

When was Matt Bonner ever successful? He was never successful so he couldn't have been "used" successfully. Guy couldn't do anything when it mattered. How he stayed on an NBA roster all those years...unfathomable.

[cd98]

I do think Landale looks good in the minutes the Spurs are giving him. I think the plan all along was to bring him along slowly and have him take a bigger part of the rotation once they traded Young. I prefer him over Drew, though I think Drew has played well for a guy that picked up basketball later in life.

[playbonner15]

https://twitter.com/spursdjlw/status/1473532587138236418?s=21

LOL what does 'stop gassing it Mr TD' mean?

[gambit1990]

i get that it's just g league but i'd ask for a trade if i got no real minutes before the deadline approaches. the dude could get PT somewhere.

[emanueldavidginobili]

LOL what does 'stop gassing it Mr TD' mean?
Stop hyping me up Mr. Triple Double

[ginobilized]

I love Landale’s game and what he brings to the team. He fits seamlessly with the 2nd unit and gives them the skills they lacked. Hard to believe it took 30 games to get some playing time. It’s crazy to see this squad playing this well. Not what I expected this year.

[8FOR!3]

When was Matt Bonner ever successful? He was never successful so he couldn't have been "used" successfully. Guy couldn't do anything when it mattered. How he stayed on an NBA roster all those years...unfathomable.

agreed but Landale isn’t all that similar he doesn’t have the same flaws and it’s a different game now

[gospursgojas]

When was Matt Bonner ever successful? He was never successful so he couldn't have been "used" successfully. Guy couldn't do anything when it mattered. How he stayed on an NBA roster all those years...unfathomable.

Matt was successful in 2014 in forcing Serge Ibaka out of paint on defense. I honestly don’t think Spurs beat OKC if not for that.

[jermaine]

He should be starting over Purtel.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

He should be starting over Purtel.


:rollin:rollin:rollin

[Sugus]

:rollin:rollin:rollin

Don't you know? A double digit scoring game is all you need to get a starting job! I wonder when we'll finally see KBD take his rightful place in the starting lineup, he clearly deserves it after last night... :lol

[KobesAchilles]

Don't you know? A double digit scoring game is all you need to get a starting job! I wonder when we'll finally see KBD take his rightful place in the starting lineup, he clearly deserves it after last night... :lol
We should all push for a top 5 pick. So yeah I would love starting KBD. Jak is a loser either way and I don’t think there’s much difference record wise for us playing Landale over him. If Jak is your starting center then you either should have multiple all nba players or be a lottery team.

KBD should probably be a starter anyways. No reason why KJ should t be playing SF. Especially if he learned how to shoot the 3 ball

[KobesAchilles]

Don't you know? A double digit scoring game is all you need to get a starting job! I wonder when we'll finally see KBD take his rightful place in the starting lineup, he clearly deserves it after last night... :lol
We should all push for a top 5 pick. So yeah I would love starting KBD. Jak is a loser either way and I don’t think there’s much difference record wise for us playing Landale over him. If Jak is your starting center then you either should have multiple all nba players or be a lottery team.

KBD should probably be a starter anyways. No reason why KJ should t be playing SF. Especially if he learned how to shoot the 3 ball

[rogcl1]

I love Landale’s game and what he brings to the team. He fits seamlessly with the 2nd unit and gives them the skills they lacked. Hard to believe it took 30 games to get some playing time. It’s crazy to see this squad playing this well. Not what I expected this year.

A bit of a side note that Landale missed time early on with a concussion and with Covid. Just saying. Of course I am rooting for him. Nice skillset but I wonder where he falls on the defensive side.

[Manu-of-steel]

Nice game by Jock! GSG!

[DAF86]

We should all push for a top 5 pick. So yeah I would love starting KBD. Jak is a loser either way and I don’t think there’s much difference record wise for us playing Landale over him. If Jak is your starting center then you either should have multiple all nba players or be a lottery team.

KBD should probably be a starter anyways. No reason why KJ should t be playing SF. Especially if he learned how to shoot the 3 ball

How come these type of comment haven't died yet? Imagine still not realizing Jak is a top 10 center in the NBA. :lol

[Mnky]

He never gets his respect here. I remember people saying he was over paid.

[jermaine]

Jock makes My nipples hard every time. Periodt

[KobesAchilles]

How come these type of comment haven't died yet? Imagine still not realizing Jak is a top 10 center in the NBA. :lol
Bc we are still a lottery team maybe? Did I miss something where we have made the playoffs with him as the starting center? He’s a high energy great big man off the bench but if he’s your starting center and you don’t have multiple all nba players then you aren’t making the playoffs. But since we don’t have those players, and he’s supposedly our second best player, we are stuck in the lottery.

[ismael-robert]

Lol, are u so blind u can't see this isn't same team that started season? They're making playoffs

[slick'81]

Bye bye top 10 pick

[Sugus]

Bc we are still a lottery team maybe? Did I miss something where we have made the playoffs with him as the starting center? He’s a high energy great big man off the bench but if he’s your starting center and you don’t have multiple all nba players then you aren’t making the playoffs. But since we don’t have those players, and he’s supposedly our second best player, we are stuck in the lottery.

That's a ridiculously bad argument and justification, lmao. You could just as easily say "if Dejounte's your best player, you're surely a lottery team. The Spurs are still a lottery team with him at the helm, haven't made the POs, and don't have multiple All-NBA players at his side to get him to the playoffs". But of course you'll disagree, because Dejounte "actually plays hard" or some shit like that.

Beyond that, the other poster is right, the Spurs team of last night is not the same that started the season. They've majorly improved, and actually have a not-too-bad chance of making the POs.... With Jak starting. I'd rather they tank, but it's not far fetched at all to see them in the play-in.

[CGD]

Bye bye top 10 pick

The upshot of the West being down for once is that being 10th in conference (like now), still means a top 9 pick. But yeah, if they make a run all the way to 6 that changes.

[wildbill2u]

Guy has better BB IQ than Drew. So far he has displayed Better skills in all areas than Drew and will probably continue as back up to Poertle. I think he could even move out to PF in certain matchups.

I appreciate all that Drew has given up to now, but he is clearly not going to continue as the backup. Too bad for him, but that's the way the NBA (and most of life) works. On the other hand, being a third string center on an NBA team is a pretty damn lucrative occupation compared to most.

[DAF86]

Bc we are still a lottery team maybe? Did I miss something where we have made the playoffs with him as the starting center? He’s a high energy great big man off the bench but if he’s your starting center and you don’t have multiple all nba players then you aren’t making the playoffs. But since we don’t have those players, and he’s supposedly our second best player, we are stuck in the lottery.

We are a lottery team, but not because of him. Or do you think that if Poeltl was with the Warriors, the Warriors would be a lottery team too? Like I said, Poeltl is a top 10 center in the NBA, he's no loser, like you suggest. He just needs better talent around him. Poeltl is the least of our problems. I don't think we have another top 10 player at any other position right now.

[John B]

We are a lottery team, but not because of him. Or do you think that if Poeltl was with the Warriors, the Warriors would be a lottery team too? Like I said, Poeltl is a top 10 center in the NBA, he's no loser, like you suggest. He just needs better talent around him. Poeltl is the least of our problems. I don't think we have another top 10 player at any other position right now.

DJM texted :ihit

[DAF86]

DJM texted :ihit

Curry, Paul, Lillard, Doncic, Trae, Irving, Morant, Fox, Holiday, SGA, Ball, Lowry, Conley.

Not saying all of them are definitely better than Murray, just that I can't put DJM top 10 without doing some research first.

[Sugus]

We are a lottery team, but not because of him. Or do you think that if Poeltl was with the Warriors, the Warriors would be a lottery team too? Like I said, Poeltl is a top 10 center in the NBA, he's no loser, like you suggest. He just needs better talent around him. Poeltl is the least of our problems. I don't think we have another top 10 player at any other position right now.

Exactly.

Can't believe posters are already trying to "Parker VS Manu" this shit, the second Landale shows even a glimpse of being playable.

[John B]

Curry, Paul, Lillard, Doncic, Trae, Irving, Morant, Fox, Holiday, SGA, Ball, Lowry, Conley.

Not saying all of them are definitely better than Murray, just that I can't put DJM top 10 without doing some research first.

DJM is #7 behind Trae, Curry, Morant, Doncic, LaMelo, CP3

http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg

:bobo

[DAF86]

DJM is #7 behind Trae, Curry, Morant, Doncic, LaMelo, CP3

http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg

:bobo

PER is pretty obsolete as a measure of true impact, tbh.

[Dejounte]

PER is pretty obsolete as a measure of true impact, tbh.

Then look at TPA. WS/48. VORP. All the advanced metrics will show you that DJ is a top 10 PG.

[RC_Drunkford]

Curry, Paul, Lillard, Doncic, Trae, Irving, Morant, Fox, Holiday, SGA, Ball, Lowry, Conley.

Not saying all of them are definitely better than Murray, just that I can't put DJM top 10 without doing some research first.

:lol the last 4 are definitely not better than DJ this season, while Kyrie hasn’t played a game yet. Stop lying to yourself. Everybody knows DJ is a top 10 PG

[KobesAchilles]

That's a ridiculously bad argument and justification, lmao. You could just as easily say "if Dejounte's your best player, you're surely a lottery team. The Spurs are still a lottery team with him at the helm, haven't made the POs, and don't have multiple All-NBA players at his side to get him to the playoffs". But of course you'll disagree, because Dejounte "actually plays hard" or some shit like that.

Beyond that, the other poster is right, the Spurs team of last night is not the same that started the season. They've majorly improved, and actually have a not-too-bad chance of making the POs.... With Jak starting. I'd rather they tank, but it's not far fetched at all to see them in the play-in.
Nope I’ve literally said the same thing about DJ. Like a lot. I’m actually known as a DJ hater bc I think we should trade him while his value is high. If DJ is your best player then you are a lottery team. There are so many things about DJs game that I don’t like. However, he has shown to put in the work and now has a serviceable 3 ball and has upped his attempts to a career high. Jak still can’t make a 6 footer.

If we still had Tim, Tony, and Manu then I would love Jak. Hell I prefer Jak to almost every other starting center we’ve had since Dave retired in 03 (he’s second imo behind Tiago). But we have none of those players. We have a bunch of wagons that need to be pulled and zero horses to do so. Jak might be a decent wagon but he’s a wagon nonetheless. And at this moment DJ is a pony who could maybe transform into a horse. He needs to change his game a lot if we want to actually contend but that’s another discussion

We might make the playoffs this year. But it’s mainly due to injury. AD is out. Luka has been hurt. Nuggets lost like 5 players. Paul George and Kawhi are out. Klay is still out. Its a long list of injuries. But it’s not bc we are a good team.

[KobesAchilles]

We are a lottery team, but not because of him. Or do you think that if Poeltl was with the Warriors, the Warriors would be a lottery team too? Like I said, Poeltl is a top 10 center in the NBA, he's no loser, like you suggest. He just needs better talent around him. Poeltl is the least of our problems. I don't think we have another top 10 player at any other position right now.
We are a lottery team bc of him. He’s not good enough to actually have real standards from you. He can’t give you 20/10 a night. If he could we would be a contender. But he isn’t good so you lowered your standards for him and say it’s not his fault we aren’t in the playoffs.

Also Steph Curry is probably the MVP this year. I think, and I might have to check, he would be considered an All NBA player. Which is what I said you need to have if you want to have Jak as your starting Center. Also Poeltl might be a top 10 center, I have him ranked 9th but he isn’t a top 10 big man in the game so that shit doesn’t really matter. Poeltl is the definition of a loser btw. His team traded him and then immediately won a championship. Meanwhile Poeltl hasn’t played in one playoff game as our starter.

Also what is your argument bc on reading your reply a second time you agreed with me. Poeltl just needs better talent around him. That’s literally what I said. He needs all nba talent around him to succeed. And then for some reason you jumped on me even though you said the exact same fucking thing. :lol

[KobesAchilles]

Yes DJ is a top 10 point guard. Steph, Paul, Ball, Lillard, Young, Ja, and then Murray. He’s 7th pretty easily. You can’t say Kyrie when he hasn’t played a game. Dude is probably gonna be hurt anyways. I guess Harden too but I’d rather have Murray this year than James who looked like he just doesn’t give a fuck anymore.

[MannyIsGod]

How come these type of comment haven't died yet? Imagine still not realizing Jak is a top 10 center in the NBA. :lol

For real man. I am amazed at the hate that Jak gets from some people here. He's so fucking underrated. People are gonna be shocked when his contract is up and he commands a lot more than he does now.

[MannyIsGod]

We are a lottery team bc of him. He’s not good enough to actually have real standards from you. He can’t give you 20/10 a night. If he could we would be a contender. But he isn’t good so you lowered your standards for him and say it’s not his fault we aren’t in the playoffs.

Also Steph Curry is probably the MVP this year. I think, and I might have to check, he would be considered an All NBA player. Which is what I said you need to have if you want to have Jak as your starting Center. Also Poeltl might be a top 10 center, I have him ranked 9th but he isn’t a top 10 big man in the game so that shit doesn’t really matter. Poeltl is the definition of a loser btw. His team traded him and then immediately won a championship. Meanwhile Poeltl hasn’t played in one playoff game as our starter.

Also what is your argument bc on reading your reply a second time you agreed with me. Poeltl just needs better talent around him. That’s literally what I said. He needs all nba talent around him to succeed. And then for some reason you jumped on me even though you said the exact same fucking thing. :lol

Uh, there are 2 centers in the NBA that give you 20 and 10 a night right now. That shouldn't be the mark for what a top 10 center is.

I don't think Poetl is the difference between a playoff team and non play off team and I certainly don't think he needs to be surrounded by all NBA talent. The Spurs can make the playoffs this year and are unlikely to have any all NBA talent.

Is Poeltl going to put a team on his back and carry them to the playoffs? No. But so what? There are 2 centers in the NBA who could do that. I don't even think someone like Bam could do that.

[JeffDuncan]

PER was mentioned earlier, so I thought I’d post this.

Current PER of Nikola Jokic: 32.7
Current PER of Jock Landale: 33.9

For your entertainment. It’s the most trivial of trivia, of course.

There’s no real conclusion to be drawn. Except, it could be taken to reflect that Jock has been a solid + player in the time he’s gotten so far.

[talkspurs]

Yes DJ is a top 10 point guard. Steph, Paul, Ball, Lillard, Young, Ja, and then Murray. He’s 7th pretty easily. You can’t say Kyrie when he hasn’t played a game. Dude is probably gonna be hurt anyways. I guess Harden too but I’d rather have Murray this year than James who looked like he just doesn’t give a fuck anymore.

I would put him over dame. He is better in every stat except ft% and scoring. using yahoo season avg they have him at 8th. Curry james ball harden VanVleet young mitchell. Some of those I would say are not PG but they have the classification on yahoo.

[KobesAchilles]

Uh, there are 2 centers in the NBA that give you 20 and 10 a night right now. That shouldn't be the mark for what a top 10 center is.

I don't think Poetl is the difference between a playoff team and non play off team and I certainly don't think he needs to be surrounded by all NBA talent. The Spurs can make the playoffs this year and are unlikely to have any all NBA talent.

It only really matter if he’s a top 10 big man not center. Durant and Giannis for instance aren’t centers but they are top big men (even if they play the wing). Green I would say is better than Poeltl. AD obviously. There are a lot of good big men in the league that Poeltl is nowhere near. He’s a C guy. It’s nice to have a C guy who does all the dirty work when you have stars. He makes winning plays when you have better talent around him. But when he’s surrounded by a B and other C players, he doesn’t really make us a winner.

Is Poeltl going to put a team on his back and carry them to the playoffs? No. But so what? There are 2 centers in the NBA who could do that. I don't even think someone like Bam could do that.
I don’t hold these expectations for Poeltl at all. My overall point was you absolutely can blame Poeltl for us not being on the playoffs atm simply bc he ISNT good enough to carry us. You can blame anybody for this too not just Poeltl. Everyone is to blame for not being good enough. Also the Center position is very weak and saying he’s a top 10 center doesn’t really mean anything. There’s probably 2 centers that are game changers and the rest are all B players at best.

We might make the playoffs but that’s more likely due to injury than anything else. Clips lost Paul and Kawhi. Luka is hurt for the Mavs. Ja can get hurt with his style of play. Denver has 5 missing players. To me it’s a 3 way race between Portland, Minny, and us for that 8th seed. But that also requires luck with our own injuries. We can’t afford to lose anybody except Bryn:lol

[John B]

Uh, there are 2 centers in the NBA that give you 20 and 10 a night right now. That shouldn't be the mark for what a top 10 center is.

I don't think Poetl is the difference between a playoff team and non play off team and I certainly don't think he needs to be surrounded by all NBA talent. The Spurs can make the playoffs this year and are unlikely to have any all NBA talent.

Is Poeltl going to put a team on his back and carry them to the playoffs? No. But so what? There are 2 centers in the NBA who could do that. I don't even think someone like Bam could do that.

I would say that Poeltl could be the most important Spurs player just based on the loses when he’s out (albeit Landale could’ve helped a lot). Plus Poeltl scoring aggressive really makes the Spurs a different beast. I’m not good with advanced metrics but when Poeltl plays great, the Spurs more likely win and vice versa. Now DJM (the head of snake) was out last night and the Spurs had a record high win. I’m not saying DJM is dispensable, but you can discern from there.

[KobesAchilles]

I would say that Poeltl could be the most important Spurs player just based on the loses when he’s out (albeit Landale could’ve helped a lot). Plus Poeltl scoring aggressive really makes the Spurs a different beast. I’m not good with advanced metrics but when Poeltl plays great, the Spurs more likely win and vice versa. Now DJM (the head of snake) was out last night and the Spurs had a record high win. I’m not saying DJM is dispensable, but you can discern from there.
I think the problem with Poeltl being out isn’t that he was out. It’s who was replacing him. Ewwbanks is an F player and Young isn’t a Center at all. If Poeltl misses time now and Jock replaces him instead then I think we don’t look that bad. When DJ misses games, we still have guys who can run the point adequately in White and Tre.

[KobesAchilles]

I would put him over dame. He is better in every stat except ft% and scoring. using yahoo season avg they have him at 8th. Curry james ball harden VanVleet young mitchell. Some of those I would say are not PG but they have the classification on yahoo.
I’m not arguing against him being over Dame. Dame is having a let down season but Dame has always been overrated a bit. The dude has underperformed in Portland the last few years and everyone says it’s everyone else. Portland is a mess right now though since they’re missing CJ (another injury that helps the Spurs make the playoffs) but they haven’t been world beaters for a few years. Dame, imo, has been more all about Dame and not about the team.

Somebody has gotten into these players heads that the only way to help your team is to shoot a lot and score. That’s not true at all though. Play smart defense and setting up an offense for other people besides yourself goes a long way with point guards. You look at a guy like Gary Payton. You think Gary couldn’t have averaged 25 points a game. Of course he could, but he put up 18 a game, played hard defense and ran an offense for other people. That’s the style I feel like more guys should play like. Not this I’m going to jack up 35 footers without passing the ball once.

[Sugus]

Poeltl is the definition of a loser btw. His team traded him and then immediately won a championship. Meanwhile Poeltl hasn’t played in one playoff game as our starter.

This is the part where you out yourself as a hater.

Just flat out ridiculous to blame Poeltl for Toronto winning a ship and the Spurs not making the playoffs, when he was an afterthought in a trade that gave the Raptors the FMVP player they needed to get over the hump after a series of playoff blunders, whilst taking said FMVP player away from a Spurs team built entirely around him and pushing them to a rebuild. Such a ridiculous "oversight" and history rewriting, just to label Jakob a "loser" somehow...

I'd say you can't be serious, but you totally are. Lol.

[KobesAchilles]

This is the part where you out yourself as a hater.

Just flat out ridiculous to blame Poeltl for Toronto winning a ship and the Spurs not making the playoffs, when he was an afterthought in a trade that gave the Raptors the FMVP player they needed to get over the hump after a series of playoff blunders, whilst taking said FMVP player away from a Spurs team built entirely around him and pushing them to a rebuild. Such a ridiculous "oversight" and history rewriting, just to label Jakob a "loser" somehow...

I'd say you can't be serious, but you totally are. Lol.
Sorry for not making myself clear. I’m not blaming Poeltl. He was a loser scrub that played 12 minutes a game. Toronto smartly packaged him for an actual winner. Kawhi is a winner. 2 chips, multiple all nba, 2 finals mvps. 2 dpoy awards and multiple all star selections. That’s the resume of a winner in the nba.

The reason why Poeltl is a loser is bc that’s all he’s done in his career. No all star, no all nba defense, never averaged double digit in anything. Can’t shoot a 6 footer. Never been a starter on a good team, and never had impact on a winning culture. He has zero basketball resume. I am a Poeltl hater bc I feel like he is a metaphor of the current San Antonio Spurs. No real expectations, no winning culture, and lowered expectations that bring about unwarranted praise.

The Spurs are a C TEAM and Poeltl is a C player. You see Poeltl and you think he’s pretty good. Sure he has zero offensive game, he can’t hit a free throw and he clogs the paint with his defender cheating off of him. BUT he sets amazing screens that free up shooters. He moves well on defense. He does a lot of grunt work. Hes a good player! But when that is considered a very good player (by a lot of posters here) that just shows (to me) how far our standards have fallen. But yes I do hate Poeltl as a starter

[MultiTroll]

PER is pretty obsolete as a measure of true impact, tbh.
Plenty of imperfections.
However generally speaking the high PER players are good. FWIW, generally.
Ya nothing to completely base a players value on.

Bruce Bowen was sub 10 PER. :lol

[DAF86]

:lol the last 4 are definitely not better than DJ this season, while Kyrie hasn’t played a game yet. Stop lying to yourself. Everybody knows DJ is a top 10 PG

I'm not lying to myself, I literally just said I can't tell for sure if Murray is indeed a top 10 PG or not. I would love to think we have a top 10 PG in the league. :lol

[DAF86]

We are a lottery team bc of him. He’s not good enough to actually have real standards from you. He can’t give you 20/10 a night. If he could we would be a contender. But he isn’t good so you lowered your standards for him and say it’s not his fault we aren’t in the playoffs.

Also Steph Curry is probably the MVP this year. I think, and I might have to check, he would be considered an All NBA player. Which is what I said you need to have if you want to have Jak as your starting Center. Also Poeltl might be a top 10 center, I have him ranked 9th but he isn’t a top 10 big man in the game so that shit doesn’t really matter. Poeltl is the definition of a loser btw. His team traded him and then immediately won a championship. Meanwhile Poeltl hasn’t played in one playoff game as our starter.

Also what is your argument bc on reading your reply a second time you agreed with me. Poeltl just needs better talent around him. That’s literally what I said. He needs all nba talent around him to succeed. And then for some reason you jumped on me even though you said the exact same fucking thing. :lol

No son, YOU have to explain what the hell is your argument, because a guy needing more talent around him doesn't mean that guy is a loser.

I seriously fail to see where are you even trying to get with this. You seem to be talking about Poeltl as if he was some kind of franchise player that needs to take us to the promise land. He's a center making 9 millions per year, he's doing more for the team than he's being paid for.

"We are a lottery team because of him" you say, yet you also say that Poeltl is a top 10 center in the NBA. How the fuck can a top 10 player be the reason a team sucks? :lol If the rest of the starters were top 10 players at their respective positions, like Poeltl is, we wouldn't be a lottery team. So no, son, we are not a lottery team because of Poeltl. In fact, Poeltl is probably the least responsible individual for us being a lottery team.

Seriously son, rethink what you are saying because you are making no goddamn sense.

[DAF86]

Sorry for not making myself clear. I’m not blaming Poeltl. He was a loser scrub that played 12 minutes a game. Toronto smartly packaged him for an actual winner. Kawhi is a winner. 2 chips, multiple all nba, 2 finals mvps. 2 dpoy awards and multiple all star selections. That’s the resume of a winner in the nba.

The reason why Poeltl is a loser is bc that’s all he’s done in his career. No all star, no all nba defense, never averaged double digit in anything. Can’t shoot a 6 footer. Never been a starter on a good team, and never had impact on a winning culture. He has zero basketball resume. I am a Poeltl hater bc I feel like he is a metaphor of the current San Antonio Spurs. No real expectations, no winning culture, and lowered expectations that bring about unwarranted praise.

The Spurs are a C TEAM and Poeltl is a C player. You see Poeltl and you think he’s pretty good. Sure he has zero offensive game, he can’t hit a free throw and he clogs the paint with his defender cheating off of him. BUT he sets amazing screens that free up shooters. He moves well on defense. He does a lot of grunt work. Hes a good player! But when that is considered a very good player (by a lot of posters here) that just shows (to me) how far our standards have fallen. But yes I do hate Poeltl as a starter

So, let me get this straight. Poeltl is a loser because he got to start with a bunch of sophomores, but a guy like, let's say Kendrick Perkins, is a winner because he got to play with several hall of famers and MVPs throughtout his career, despite the latter being immensely less talented than the former? What a sad, sad logic.

[gambit1990]

poeltl has been underwhelming. haven't looked at any numbers and don't care to but he's a 2nd stringer at best tbh.

he's only a starter for a contender / almost contender if he was playing with duncan.

[Ice009]

poeltl has been underwhelming. haven't looked at any numbers and don't care to but he's a 2nd stringer at best tbh.

he's only a starter for a contender / almost contender if he was playing with duncan.

I agree. If he was on a Duncan type team he'd be serviceable, but if he's your second best player, you're not going anywhere IMO.

[John B]

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He's a center making 9 millions per year, he's doing more for the team than he's being paid for.



This is the problem I see with a lot of the posters here. Just because Poodle is getting paid less doesn’t mean he should only play so much. And anything more is already beyond his salary? F%ck that argument :lol I get that in the office and that guy is packing his bags. “This is all that you’re paying me for.” Geez I hate people like that. I’m not saying Poodle says that, but he did hint in his interview before about getting paid less. I agree Spurs got a great deal for a starting center gig, but that’s beside the point. Play aggressive, dunk the ball, finish with contacts and hit them free throws. I wouldn’t be critical if I didn’t think he’s capable. I’m no professional, but I’ve played basketball all my life. I just don’t see Poodle giving it all, exactly like a Poodle all barks, no teeth :lol

[KobesAchilles]

So, let me get this straight. Poeltl is a loser because he got to start with a bunch of sophomores, but a guy like, let's say Kendrick Perkins, is a winner because he got to play with several hall of famers and MVPs throughtout his career, despite the latter being immensely less talented than the former? What a sad, sad logic.
Thats kinda how it works doesn’t it? Kawhi wouldn’t have won basically anywhere else. But he went to the best franchise in sports and won a championship. You think the Pistons would’ve developed him the same way we did? The Twolves? Where you land plays a huge part of you’re a winner or loser. Hell Mac Jones is gonna be in the playoffs as a rookie while Trevor Lawrence isn’t going to even sniff the playoffs for a while (if ever at all). So to act like you’re surprised that where you land determines your career is weird.

And is Perkins less talented? In what way? Everything people praise about Jaks game is exactly what Perk did for the Thunder. If anything, you are showing bias against Perk bc you are a Spurs fan and not a Thunder/Celtic fan. To this day, Celtic fans claim they would’ve won the 2010 championship if Perk didn’t get hurt. Perk =Jak so why do you say he is immensely less talented?

You said that Jak deserves NO blame for us not being in the playoffs. You said he is a top 10 center and we have bigger things to worry about. You also said he needs more talent around him for his team to succeed.

Im saying Jak DESERVES to blamed for us not being a playoff team. He isn’t good enough to make us one. That in itself deserves blame. Everyone on the team deserves blame for us sucking, just in varying degrees. I also said the exact same thing that if you are going to be successful with Jak as your starter then you need better talent around him. I think Jak is a problem on the team bc he kinda makes us complacent as fans. He’s good enough to where you can see the positives in his game, but there will always be a low ceiling to our teams if he is our starter. He is just that bad on offense. It’s not even the ppg but just that his defender clogs the lane all the time. Jak has yo physically move his man out of the way every time somebody drives bc of this fact. But he can’t do that every play bc that’s exhausting. If he had literally a 8 foot Oberto jump shot he would be so much better on offense. Instead he refuses to work on his shot

[MultiTroll]

Now DJM (the head of snake) was out last night and the Spurs had a record high win. I’m not saying DJM is dispensable, but you can discern from there.
:rollin
I discerned that Detroit has 60% of their roster out plus are tanking.

[B1gduff]

The problem with Jakob, is that on a good playoff team, he's proably the 4th or 5th best player on that team. His role is to be a defensive anchor, which he does a damage good job. He's one of the best defensive C in the games, while giving us a 12/8. I can also gurantee most poster who are indenial, that Jakob, besides a handful of teams is a stater a starter on most nba a team, he might not be an all-star, what he's one of those high end staters. I bet you the lakers would gladly have him starting, the Warriors probably to, Boston would as well, and many other that are in need of what he brings.

Now, lets be clear, we not a top 4 team, at best we're looking at the 7th/8th or play in, and a team like this, Jakob probably is our 3rd best player, behind Murray and White. Potel isn't a loser, he hasn't won anything? well he plays on the Spurs, if he was on a team getting attention, he be in considereration for second all defesive team.

[B1gduff]

Also since this Board is about Jock, lets keep it about jack, take the Jakob stuff to his Board.

I think Jock is more a strech 4 than strech C. He doesn't have the strength and height to hold his own against bigger centers.

[MultiTroll]

Treys were not going down last night.

But the threat still stretches the floor.

[John B]

Also since this Board is about Jock, lets keep it about jack, take the Jakob stuff to his Board.

I think Jock is more a strech 4 than strech C. He doesn't have the strength and height to hold his own against bigger centers.

Jock is 6’11” 7’2” wingspan and 256 lbs. He’s big enough. He needs to get accustom to NBA speed and replace Jakob in the starting line-up

[KobesAchilles]

Jock is 6’11” 7’2” wingspan and 256 lbs. He’s big enough. He needs to get accustom to NBA speed and replace Jakob in the starting line-up
Agreed

[MannyIsGod]

Also since this Board is about Jock, lets keep it about jack, take the Jakob stuff to his Board.

I think Jock is more a strech 4 than strech C. He doesn't have the strength and height to hold his own against bigger centers.

How about we talk about stuff where we want since you've been here for all of 2 days, yeah?

[DAF86]

This is the problem I see with a lot of the posters here. Just because Poodle is getting paid less doesn’t mean he should only play so much. And anything more is already beyond his salary? F%ck that argument :lol I get that in the office and that guy is packing his bags. “This is all that you’re paying me for.” Geez I hate people like that. I’m not saying Poodle says that, but he did hint in his interview before about getting paid less. I agree Spurs got a great deal for a starting center gig, but that’s beside the point. Play aggressive, dunk the ball, finish with contacts and hit them free throws. I wouldn’t be critical if I didn’t think he’s capable. I’m no professional, but I’ve played basketball all my life. I just don’t see Poodle giving it all, exactly like a Poodle all barks, no teeth :lol

But he doesn't play to do only so much. He plays like a fucking beast. That's the point. :lol

[DAF86]

Thats kinda how it works doesn’t it? Kawhi wouldn’t have won basically anywhere else. But he went to the best franchise in sports and won a championship. You think the Pistons would’ve developed him the same way we did? The Twolves? Where you land plays a huge part of you’re a winner or loser. Hell Mac Jones is gonna be in the playoffs as a rookie while Trevor Lawrence isn’t going to even sniff the playoffs for a while (if ever at all). So to act like you’re surprised that where you land determines your career is weird.

And is Perkins less talented? In what way? Everything people praise about Jaks game is exactly what Perk did for the Thunder. If anything, you are showing bias against Perk bc you are a Spurs fan and not a Thunder/Celtic fan. To this day, Celtic fans claim they would’ve won the 2010 championship if Perk didn’t get hurt. Perk =Jak so why do you say he is immensely less talented?

You said that Jak deserves NO blame for us not being in the playoffs. You said he is a top 10 center and we have bigger things to worry about. You also said he needs more talent around him for his team to succeed.

Im saying Jak DESERVES to blamed for us not being a playoff team. He isn’t good enough to make us one. That in itself deserves blame. Everyone on the team deserves blame for us sucking, just in varying degrees. I also said the exact same thing that if you are going to be successful with Jak as your starter then you need better talent around him. I think Jak is a problem on the team bc he kinda makes us complacent as fans. He’s good enough to where you can see the positives in his game, but there will always be a low ceiling to our teams if he is our starter. He is just that bad on offense. It’s not even the ppg but just that his defender clogs the lane all the time. Jak has yo physically move his man out of the way every time somebody drives bc of this fact. But he can’t do that every play bc that’s exhausting. If he had literally a 8 foot Oberto jump shot he would be so much better on offense. Instead he refuses to work on his shot

Well, see? That's your problem. You think Perkins is similar in talent to Poeltl. :lol

[John B]

But he doesn't play to do only so much. He plays like a fucking beast. That's the point. :lol

No he doesn’t. Admit it. Everybody here, well almost everybody, says he doesn’t play physical enough. Sean is practically begging him to dunk the ball

[DAF86]

Im saying Jak DESERVES to blamed for us not being a playoff team. He isn’t good enough to make us one. That in itself deserves blame. Everyone on the team deserves blame for us sucking, just in varying degrees.

Well, he's the one that deserves the least blame out of everyone on the roster.


I also said the exact same thing that if you are going to be successful with Jak as your starter then you need better talent around him. I think Jak is a problem on the team bc he kinda makes us complacent as fans. He’s good enough to where you can see the positives in his game, but there will always be a low ceiling to our teams if he is our starter. He is just that bad on offense. It’s not even the ppg but just that his defender clogs the lane all the time. Jak has yo physically move his man out of the way every time somebody drives bc of this fact. But he can’t do that every play bc that’s exhausting. If he had literally a 8 foot Oberto jump shot he would be so much better on offense. Instead he refuses to work on his shot

lol son, that's such bullshit. :lol

No, the low ceiling of our team isn't because of Jak. The low ceiling is because of the other 4 starters. Jak would be a starter on 75% of the other NBA teams. Heck, he would even be a starter on the Warriors and make them better. What other player on the Spurs can you say that about?

Poeltl only weakness is his jumper, he can't shoot. That's it. But guess what, many centers in the NBA can't shoot. It isn't a vital skill to have at that position, even in today's NBA. Aside from that, Jak gives you pretty much everything. Elite rim protection, defense on the perimeter, pick and roll defense, mobility and agility for a big man, great passing and vision, finishing, and a high IQ overall. You clearly have a problem apreciating all the things Poeltl can do on a basketball court. Start searching for anywhere else to blame on the Spurs being a lottery team, because Poeltl isn't it, tbh.

[DAF86]

No he doesn’t. Admit it. Everybody here, well almost everybody, says he doesn’t play physical enough. Sean is practically begging him to dunk the ball

Yes. Yes, he does.

[KobesAchilles]

Well, see? That's your problem. You think Perkins is similar in talent to Poeltl. :lol
Perk successfully guarded Duncan, peak Dwight, and Gasol in the playoffs. Jak has guarded… nobody. I get that you’re not an nba fan (only a Spurs fan) and that 2010 was a down year for us where we got swept by the Suns. But there are other basketball teams you know. Perk literally played the role of Jak and he was damn good at it. So it’s kinda funny seeing you shit on him.

[KobesAchilles]

Well, he's the one that deserves the least blame out of everyone on the roster.



lol son, that's such bullshit. :lol

No, the low ceiling of our team isn't because of Jak. The low ceiling is because of the other 4 starters. Jak would be a starter on 75% of the other NBA teams. Heck, he would even be a starter on the Warriors and make them better. What other player on the Spurs can you say that about?

Poeltl only weakness is his jumper, he can't shoot. That's it. But guess what, many centers in the NBA can't shoot. It isn't a vital skill to have at that position, even in today's NBA. Aside from that, Jak gives you pretty much everything. Elite rim protection, defense on the perimeter, pick and roll defense, mobility and agility for a big man, great passing and vision, finishing, and a high IQ overall. You clearly have a problem apreciating all the things Poeltl can do on a basketball court. Start searching for anywhere else to blame on the Spurs being a lottery team, because Poeltl isn't it, tbh.
I hope he calls you for his HOF speech then the way you talk about him. He would start on the Warriors and make them better! Sure they have the best record in all of basketball but they would be better :cry

He would start over AD and Jokic and Gobert and Porzingas and Ayton and Towns :cry

[TD 21]

Mostly agree with DAF86's sentiments about Poeltl, but he's not a top 10 center . . .

Inarguably better: Jokic, Embiid, Davis, Gobert, Towns, Adebayo, Ayton, Allen, Sabonis

Arguably better: Vucevic, Porzingis, Capela, Turner, Valanciunas, Horford, Williams, Wood, Jackson Jr., Mobley

As for Murray being a top 10 PG this season, fair enough. In the grand scheme . . .

Inarguably better: Curry, Paul, Lillard, Irving, Young, Morant, (LaMelo) Ball

Arguably better: Gilgeous-Alexander, Holiday, Conley, Lowry, Van Vleet, Garland, Fox, Haliburton

[offset formation]

How come these type of comment haven't died yet? Imagine still not realizing Jak is a top 10 center in the NBA. :lol

Uh, because he is (or was the last time I looked) 23rd in PER amongst NBA centers, is shooting <36% from the FT stripe, despite being 7'1" often plays below the rim to his offensive detriment (and to many's frustration), and generally has an embarrassing offensive game beyond 5 feet out?

His above average defense and offensive rebounding are the only thing keeping him on the floor as a starting center.

But acting as if he's irreplaceable or worthy of fealty is very spurstalky. In fact Jock does all of Jacob's deficiencies better, in fact MUCH better, but is simply not as polished a defender. If he improves there, it'd be a no-brainer to cut bait with Poeltl.

[offset formation]

Mostly agree with DAF86's sentiments about Poeltl, but he's not a top 10 center . . .

Inarguably better: Jokic, Embiid, Davis, Gobert, Towns, Adebayo, Ayton, Allen, Sabonis

Arguably better: Vucevic, Porzingis, Capela, Turner, Valanciunas, Holmes

As for Murray being a top 10 PG this season, fair enough. In the grand scheme . . .

Inarguably better: Curry, Paul, Lillard, Irving, Young, Morant, (LaMelo) Ball, Gilgeous-Alexander

Arguably better: Holiday, Conley, Lowry, Van Vleet, Murray, Garland, Fox

Lol. Valanciunas isn't arguably better. He's demonstrably better. As are most of those others.

[KobesAchilles]

Uh, because he is (or was the last time I looked) 23rd in PER amongst NBA centers, is shooting <36% from the FT stripe, despite being 7'1" often plays below the rim to his offensive detriment (and to many's frustration), and generally has an embarrassing offensive game beyond 5 feet out?

His above average defense and offensive rebounding are the only thing keeping him on the floor as a starting center.

But acting as if he's irreplaceable or worthy of fealty is very spurstalky. In fact Jock does all of Jacob's deficiencies better, in fact MUCH better, but is simply not as polished a defender. If he improves there, it'd be a no-brainer to cut bait with Poeltl.
Thank you. Dude is saying the guy is a hall of famer. Calls him a winner when he’s never won :lol When Jak goes against an actual competent big man he gets roasted. We need to cut bait with him

[KobesAchilles]

Mostly agree with DAF86's sentiments about Poeltl, but he's not a top 10 center . . .

Inarguably better: Jokic, Embiid, Davis, Gobert, Towns, Adebayo, Ayton, Allen, Sabonis

Arguably better: Vucevic, Porzingis, Capela, Turner, Valanciunas, Holmes

As for Murray being a top 10 PG this season, fair enough. In the grand scheme . . .

Inarguably better: Curry, Paul, Lillard, Irving, Young, Morant, (LaMelo) Ball, Gilgeous-Alexander

Arguably better: Holiday, Conley, Lowry, Van Vleet, Murray, Garland, Fox
Irving hasn’t played this season so he’s out. Conley sucks this year and so does Lowry. Van fleet can’t guard multiple positions the way Murray can. And Lillard has turned into an overrated chucker. Dude is shooting 40% from the field and will probably drop to the 30s soon. Also I like Shay but he’s not better than Murray

[TD 21]

Lol. Valanciunas isn't arguably better. He's demonstrably better. As are most of those others.

:lmao Counting stats without context.



Irving hasn’t played this season so he’s out. Conley sucks this year and so does Lowry. Van fleet can’t guard multiple positions the way Murray can. And Lillard has turned into an overrated chucker. Dude is shooting 40% from the field and will probably drop to the 30s soon. Also I like Shay but he’s not better than Murray

He's still active and about to play, so he's in. Conley has been good. Lowry has dropped (but I'll give him more time before saying it's inarguable). Gilgeous-Alexander should arguably being in the arguably category.

[gambit1990]

Mostly agree with DAF86's sentiments about Poeltl, but he's not a top 10 center . . .

Inarguably better: Jokic, Embiid, Davis, Gobert, Towns, Adebayo, Ayton, Allen, Sabonis

Arguably better: Vucevic, Porzingis, Capela, Turner, Valanciunas, Holmes
:tu

i'm taking jock over jakob if i had to (not that i want jock playing the 5 full time). jock has that fire.

[gambit1990]

remember how good manu made blair look? damn, i wish jock got to play with manu, both have that fire. fire is unteachable.

[DAF86]

Uh, because he is (or was the last time I looked) 23rd in PER amongst NBA centers, is shooting <36% from the FT stripe, despite being 7'1" often plays below the rim to his offensive detriment (and to many's frustration), and generally has an embarrassing offensive game beyond 5 feet out?

His above average defense and offensive rebounding are the only thing keeping him on the floor as a starting center.

But acting as if he's irreplaceable or worthy of fealty is very spurstalky. In fact Jock does all of Jacob's deficiencies better, in fact MUCH better, but is simply not as polished a defender. If he improves there, it'd be a no-brainer to cut bait with Poeltl.

"23rd in PER"

What a dishonest bullshit argument. :lol

1st- PER sucks
2nd- There's a bunch of guys averaging 10 mpg ahead of Poeltl on that list.
3rd- Poeltl is actually averaging a great PER number.

And nobody is acting as if Poeltl is irrepleceable. He's a center making 9 millions per year. :lol

He's much better than some of you mofos realize though, that's for sure.

[DAF86]

Perk successfully guarded Duncan, peak Dwight, and Gasol in the playoffs. Jak has guarded… nobody. I get that you’re not an nba fan (only a Spurs fan) and that 2010 was a down year for us where we got swept by the Suns. But there are other basketball teams you know. Perk literally played the role of Jak and he was damn good at it. So it’s kinda funny seeing you shit on him.

Perkins is a dinosaur from another era where you could have no basketball talent whatsoever and just get by being a bully and fouling 6 times per game. He would have never made it on today's NBA.

Poeltl is a highly skilled big which was selected 9th overall for a reason. I repeat, Poeltl isn't the problem here, the problem is your inability to properly asses all the positive things Jak can do on a basketball court.

[KobesAchilles]

Perkins is a dinosaur from another era where you could have no basketball talent whatsoever and just get by being a bully and fouling 6 times per game. He would have never made it on today's NBA.

Poeltl is a highly skilled big which was selected 9th overall for a reason. I repeat, Poeltl isn't the problem here, the problem is your inability to properly asses all the positive things Jak can do on a basketball court.
I said the positives of Poeltl but your problem is that you think his huge negative isn’t a huge negative at all. His problem is that his defender cheats off of him and clogs the paint for our guards who are already meh dribblers. He has zero offensive game other than being spoon fed and even then he doesn’t finish strong enough quite often. This is a big negative. When Poeltl isn’t pushing and shoving his man out of the way for people he is useless on offense.

Also besides being more mobile than Perk, what other skill does Jak have over Perk? Perk manned the paint pretty damn well back in his day too. Jak struggles against real big men while Perk held his own defensively against them.

[DAF86]

I said the positives of Poeltl but your problem is that you think his huge negative isn’t a huge negative at all. His problem is that his defender cheats off of him and clogs the paint for our guards who are already meh dribblers. He has zero offensive game other than being spoon fed and even then he doesn’t finish strong enough quite often. This is a big negative. When Poeltl isn’t pushing and shoving his man out of the way for people he is useless on offense.

Also besides being more mobile than Perk, what other skill does Jak have over Perk? Perk manned the paint pretty damn well back in his day too. Jak struggles against real big men while Perk held his own defensively against them.

Pretty much any skill there is. Passing, vision, offensive rebounding, touch around the rim, positioning and just overall understanding of the game. It is hard to discuss these things when you are clearly so blind to them.

[KobesAchilles]

Pretty much any skill there is. Passing, vision, offensive rebounding, touch around the rim, positioning and just overall understanding of the game. It is hard to discuss these things when you are clearly so blind to them.
Shooting? That’s a pretty important skill. I think Poeltl is blind bc honestly even with my eyes closed I could make 30% of my free throws.

[DAF86]

Shooting? That’s a pretty important skill. I think Poeltl is blind bc honestly even with my eyes closed I could make 30% of my free throws.

Why are you so obsessed with shooting on a center? :lol

But now that you mention it, yeah, shooting probably too. Poeltl shows glimpses of a 15 ft push shot that Perkins never had.

[JeffDuncan]

Why are you so obsessed with shooting on a center? :lol

But now that you mention it, yeah, shooting probably too. Poeltl shows glimpses of a 15 ft push shot that Perkins never had.


More like 10 ft. Lol. The free throw line is 15 ft, and that’s clearly beyond Poeltl’s range.

[MultiTroll]

Popped limited Jock to 17 minutes vs Detroit because ____?

[Sugus]

Popped limited Jock to 17 minutes vs Detroit because ____?

Because despite ST's delusions, he's not that good?

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I’ve read a lot of stupid fucking takes on this site in the past but this thread definitely has some top 20 dumbest post contenders. LMAO

[MannyIsGod]

Landale had a good run and has some usable skills but holy shit did he come back to earth the last two games. I'm not sure I would have pulled the plug on him as fast as Pop did but aside from getting some passes from White in the last game he was pretty awful.

[Sugus]

Landale had a good run and has some usable skills but holy shit did he come back to earth the last two games. I'm not sure I would have pulled the plug on him as fast as Pop did but aside from getting some passes from White in the last game he was pretty awful.

But he gotta start over Jakob dummy!!!!!!

[Bojo]

What grade does Landale deserve today? One dumb foul after another, can't defend anyone, airballed a three. No grading on a curve, please.

[MannyIsGod]

But he gotta start over Jakob dummy!!!!!!

I mean Jakob shouldn't be starting on any team in the NBA according to some people here lol.

[rjv]

What grade does Landale deserve today? One dumb foul after another, can't defend anyone, airballed a three. No grading on a curve, please.

he should be docked a whole grade for that inbound pass alone.

[Slippy]

What grade does Landale deserve today? One dumb foul after another, can't defend anyone, airballed a three. No grading on a curve, please.

Cant excuse the inbounds pass but Jocks activity on the boards alone created heaps of second chance opps for the spurs . He also swished a three and created mismatches in the post. Spurs need to attack it but right now its a work in progress. That integration will only improve when he gains more nba experience.

Offensively spurs got nothing from Jacob till the 4th. His softness in finishing for 3 quarters stood out again.

[John B]

Cant excuse the inbounds pass but Jocks activity on the boards alone created heaps of second chance opps for the spurs . He also swished a three and created mismatches in the post. Spurs need to attack it but right now its a work in progress. That integration will only improve when he gains more nba experience.

Offensively spurs got nothing from Jacob till the 4th. His softness in finishing for 3 quarters stood out again.

An Aussie fan calls those “cardiac kids” in the NBL. But I agree, it’s familiarization, knowing where guys would be. I would’ve put Ewwbanks instead knowing the system more, but not Poeltl in case the ball accidentally goes back to him and he gets fouled.

[RC_Drunkford]

Jock has fallen off a cliff during this losing streak. 0 points against the Rockets?

[tbdog]

Jock has fallen off a cliff during this losing streak. 0 points against the Rockets?

Scouting report is out. He'll have to figure it out.

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I mean Jakob shouldn't be starting on any team in the NBA according to some people here lol.

Just the worst 7 or 8.

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Jock has fallen off a cliff during this losing streak. 0 points against the Rockets?

I thinl the truth is plain for all to see here. Whats the common theme with him and White? Getting married and or engaged. Don't do it.

[John B]

I like if they can run a play with Jock at post and even a facilitator. He is such a skilled passer, and I don’t think they are maximizing with just taking picks. I think him playing post can open up Bryn or our shooters some more.

[KingKev]

I like if they can run a play with Jock at post and even a facilitator. He is such a skilled passer, and I don’t think they are maximizing with just taking picks. I think him playing post can open up Bryn or our shooters some more.

The Dynamic Duo!!!!! KBD makes them the triple threat

[Slippy]

Scouting report is out. He'll have to figure it out.

Against the rockets Jock was left wide open numerous times and missed on all. Shots he was hitting at a high clip before. In fact they pretty much gambled on all our shooters from three. The only one to capitalise was Bryn Forbes.

[Slippy]

I thinl the truth is plain for all to see here. Whats the common theme with him and White? Getting married and or engaged. Don't do it.

Haha this wouldnt surprise me . Lonnie had his worst stretch this season around the time he got engaged.

[slick'81]

Hes cooled off but still better then ewwbanks

[Dejounte]

I don’t know what people are expecting here. At the minimum he’s not fucking things up and that’s all you can ask for from a backup. Past that is gravy. And he has given us gravy on some nights.

[KingKev]

I don’t know what people are expecting here. At the minimum he’s not fucking things up and that’s all you can ask for from a backup. Past that is gravy. And he has given us gravy on some nights.

Agreed but hope Zollins quickly surpasses him in the pecking order.

[CGD]

Agreed but hope Zollins quickly surpasses him in the pecking order.

Best case scenario: If Zollins regains Portland form he’ll even give Jak a run for the starting job.

Zollins is basically a lottery ticket right now and we’re waiting for the numbers to be drawn from the bin.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Best case scenario: If Zollins regains Portland form he’ll even give Jak a run for the starting job.

Zollins is basically a lottery ticket right now and we’re waiting for the numbers to be drawn from the bin.

Key word is bin :toast

[KingKev]

Best case scenario: If Zollins regains Portland form he’ll even give Jak a run for the starting job.

Zollins is basically a lottery ticket right now and we’re waiting for the numbers to be drawn from the bin.

I see him more of a scratch and win ticket or a game of community bingo but we need all the small wins we can get.

[John B]

Landale with 19 mins, 2-3 at 3pts with 10 pts last night. He played PF with Zollins especially when Spurs were making the run and taking the lead. And then Pop finally closing with Murray, Primo, Keldon, Landale and Poeltl. Are we seeing Landale playing that stretch 4? Bonner with better mobility and defense? I like what I’m seeing if he continuous making those 3’s, coming from the bench like Gay did. He could be carving a role there. Happy with Zollins too as backup big but that’s another thread.

[KingKev]

^ lol remember we were playing one of the worst teams in the league without their two best players. Collins and Landale can potentially make for solid 3rd-5th bigs off the bench. Awesome.

[BackHome]

Yeah, people really need to start looking at who we playing before talking about keeping certain guys or making play in......

[GAustex]

Better than Zollins but that ain’t saying much
Cept that Atl poster who is all up in Zollins

[KingKev]

Better than Zollins but that ain’t saying much
Cept that Atl poster who is all up in Zollins

Zollins looks like a deep bench guy at this point. He probably gets guaranteed for next year for an opportunity to show something more. Both he and Jock look like solid end of bench bigs for 10-15 mins a game. Nothing more.

ATL Spur stands ready to write fortune cookie prophecies for the next 15th man we sign.

[widowmaker]

People dont realize pelicans have been playing pretty good even without ingram.

[The Truth #6]

If Landale plays the 4, then Zollins must have even worse mobility than Landale, and that would be horrible. To me, I see them using Jock for his outside shooting, stretch 4 or stretch 5, whatever you want to call it. These distinctions seem pretty gray to me.

[KingKev]

If Landale plays the 4, then Zollins must have even worse mobility than Landale, and that would be horrible. To me, I see them using Jock for his outside shooting, stretch 4 or stretch 5, whatever you want to call it. These distinctions seem pretty gray to me.

For myself, my hope is we just upgrade our roster and this won’t be a conversation lol.

[B1gduff]

I said before but I see Landale as a back-up stretch 4.

[gambit1990]

i get that it's just g league but i'd ask for a trade if i got no real minutes before the deadline approaches. the dude could get PT somewhere.

[SPURt]

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[John B]

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Man I love this guy in our team. You know he’s not backing down. But having Roby/Zollins and Barlow/Bassey as projects seem a better fit

[SPURt]

Man I love this guy in our team. You know he’s not backing down. But having Roby/Zollins and Barlow/Bassey as projects seem a better fit
Agree on Roby/Zollins (I haven’t seen enough of Barlow/Bassey). I am particularly high on Roby. I’m also happy for Jock. He is maximizing his opportunity.

[Mr. Body]

He played awesome. GSW was going super small and couldn't handle him. He stil has weight problems against real bigs. I regret having to lose him.

[GAustex]

Better than Zollins

[DeRozan m8]

Hes thriving away from the old man

This front office is so fucking bad

[Chomag]

Would have rather kept him over Zollins

[Ice009]

I like him. I was pretty surprised the Spurs threw him in to the trade. Also surprised the Hawks let him go too.

[Ocotillo]

Lakers should have signed him instead of LonnieIV.

[John B]

Lakers should have signed him instead of LonnieIV.

He was a throw in to match salary, not a free agent.

[Ocotillo]

He was a throw in to match salary, not a free agent.

Did Atlanta trade him to Phoenix? I wasn't sure if they cut him or not.

[John B]

Did Atlanta trade him to Phoenix? I wasn't sure if they cut him or not.

Yes Hawks sent Londale to Suns for cash consideration. But Londale was never a FA for Lakers to pickup.

But yeah I’d rather Spurs kept Londale. But I guess Zollins/Roby/KBD and project Barlow fit better?

[CGD]

Good luck to him. We’re just not in a place to be worried about this. If he blows up you can ascribe getting the CHA FRP to him if you feel that bad about it.