Shams: Wizards Sending Chandler Hutchison and a 2022 SRP to Spurs

[BatManu20]

Shams and Woj

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6’6 210 lbs SF. Turned 25 in April. Averaged 5 pts, 3 rbs, 1 ast on 49% TS% last season.

vRWN-9JHTKU

[Ditty]

Damn you are fast :lol

[slick'81]

Score!

[Robz4000]

One of the young guys is definitely being traded.

[MoSpur02]

Still trying to figure who is going where besides Hutchinson and that 2nd round pick. Spurs are obviously moving someone. It’s a matter of who

[Ditty]

I think Aminu

[Darius Bieber]

Still trying to figure who is going where besides Hutchinson and that 2nd round pick. Spurs are obviously moving someone. It’s a matter of who

Who would we give up for a second rounder and basically a GLeague guy?

[MoSpur02]

Now Woj is saying it’s a 5 team trade

[emanueldavidginobili]

Hutchinson a first round pick (22) in 2018 by the Bulls.

[BatManu20]

Somebody’s got to be on the move or they plan on cutting him and just wanted the SRP?

[Joseph Kony]

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[ace3g]

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Washington-Brooklyn-San Antonio has been expanded to five teams, including the folding in of the Indiana-Lakers draft night trades with Wizards, sources tell ESPN.

[slick'81]

Def better then aminu :lol

[MoSpur02]

Lakers and Indiana involved per Woj

[K...]

Goodbye loonie or poddle

[LeBowen]

I'm fully prepared to be disappointed.

[Chinook]

I love that deal. Is Hutch two-way eligible? When was he drafted? Anyways, the Spurs are very possibly just selling cap space now. That's fine. I will say that they're at the off-season roster limit of 2p now. So if they get anyone else, it'll have to be via trade.

Though cutting Jeffries or even KBD makes some sense if Chandler can play at all.

[slick'81]

Spurs stock piling those 2nd rounders

[Chinook]

I love that deal. Is Hutch two-way eligible? When was he drafted? Anyways, the Spurs are very possibly just selling cap space now. That's fine. I will say that they're at the off-season roster limit of 2p now. So if they get anyone else, it'll have to be via trade.

Though cutting Jeffries or even KBD makes some sense if Chandler can play at all.

[duncan2150]

They can just cut Hutchinson. Calm down lol
Chinook i think he is eligible to a two way , drafted in 2018.

[BatManu20]

I love that deal. Is Hutch two-way eligible? When was he drafted? Anyways, the Spurs are very possibly just selling cap space now. That's fine. I will say that they're at the off-season roster limit of 2p now. So if they get anyone else, it'll have to be via trade.

Though cutting Jeffries or even KBD makes some sense if Chandler can play at all.

He was selected 22nd overall in 2018 by Chicago. And I specifically remember the Sours being interested in him before the draft. They worked him out and everything.

[Dejounte]

Is this yet another white guy

[Chinook]

Lakers and Indiana involved per Woj

Now hold on. If Indy is involved that could mean McD is wrapped into the DMDR trade, potentially getting SA significantly more cap space than reported.

[Joseph Kony]

Spurs have to be getting something from BKN or sending something to them though right?

[Mnky]

Ship Bryn and our new 1st out for compensation. Make it happen

[slick'81]

huuge win for sa!

[Chinook]

They can just cut Hutchinson. Calm down lol
Chinook i think he is eligible to a two way , drafted in 2018.

I don't care about the player. I care about them getting a pick for a minor sacrifice. Like the Chriss deal, but the opposite

[Darius Bieber]

Now hold on. If Indy is involved that could mean McD is wrapped into the DMDR trade, potentially getting SA significantly more cap space than reported.

But then we need a source saying the Bulls are also a part of this Dinwiddie deal

[duncan2150]

I don't care about the player. I care about them getting a pick for a minor sacrifice. Like the Chriss deal, but the opposite


The first sentence was not directed to you. Agree by the way.

[BatManu20]

Spurs now have 2 SRP’s picks in 2022 but this one may actually be in the top 10-15 of the 2nd Round.

[lmbebo]

interesting

[Budkin]

Just don't touch Pop's pet Bryn!

[offset formation]

I love that deal. Is Hutch two-way eligible? When was he drafted? Anyways, the Spurs are very possibly just selling cap space now. That's fine. I will say that they're at the off-season roster limit of 2p now. So if they get anyone else, it'll have to be via trade.

Though cutting Jeffries or even KBD makes some sense if Chandler can play at all.

I'd wait until it all shakes out. Be prepared to say goodbye to one of our recent FRPs in Walker or Samanic

[slick'81]

Spurs finally doing the rebuild right

[Degoat]

Chandler is at the very least interesting kind of tbh

[widowmaker]

Please let it be forbes hell through in walker if you have to.

[Mnky]

Hutchinson can actually be a good player. He's only 25 I think. 6'7 sf. He's more of a crafty player but athletic and not the worse 3 point shooter.

If they got him for nothing, that's a great score tbh.

[slick'81]

I'd wait until it all shakes out. Be prepared to say goodbye to one of our recent FRPs in Walker or Samanic

just cut aminu or ewwbanks/kbd,tbh

[Robz4000]

Not gonna say this is good until I know for a fact the Spurs didn't send out one of the youngin's.

[BatManu20]

Bulls fan made a video shitting all over him :lol. Spurs liked him as a prospect coming out though.

TSysazcWdks

[Uriel]

Imagine if the player we traded was actually Forbes and the reason we signed him to a multi year contract was as a goodwill gesture with no plans to actually keep him :lol

:cry

[slick'81]

Spurs get their guy. Hell yea!

[cd98]

Hutchinson sucks. He is all athlete, no game. Spurs probably release him. I can’t see anything in the deal that warrants the Spurs giving up a young player.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRWN-9JHTKU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuvDdoCPe4U

[Budkin]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1423046618757189636?s=20

[lefty20]

Please let it be forbes hell through in walker if you have to.

Don't think this is possible. Teams have to wait a minimum of x amout of days before trading newly signed FAs.

[SAGirl]

One of the young guys is definitely being traded.
I wonder who. Good opportunity for someone to have asked out if they want playing time somewhere.

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Ok the side notes show a young wing player who moves well off the ball and shot the 3 well from a set shot. Looked interesting.

[slick'81]

Spurs def going on a dump,cut spree. Atleast they are adding some 2nd rounders to build through the draft

[Leetonidas]

Seems like we're only involved to help Washington stay under the tax :lol

[cd98]

This was just about getting 2nd round pick. Hutchinson was not getting a new contract and didn’t earn a role in 3 years.

[cjw]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1423046618757189636?s=20

Maybe I’m dense but what did we actually give up?

[duncan2150]

Just taking the Wizz secound round for free, ok with that as they are not good.

[slick'81]

This was just about getting 2nd round pick. Hutchinson was not getting a new contract and didn’t earn a role in 3 years.


Hes been awful but so has aminu. Spurs getting ready for that big deal on the horizon

[slick'81]

Maybe I’m dense but what did we actually give up?


Absolutely nothing

[Chinook]

Truth be told, SA does have to give up something to fulfill the rules. Needs to be a pick, prospect or cash. Eating dead money, while obviously the true value of Spurs' inclusion in this deal, doesn't meet the requirements

[cd98]

Probably taking Hutchinson’s final year is our contribution.

[Uriel]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1423046618757189636?s=20
This is what a modern day NBA trade looks like. Gone are the days when teams would just trade one player for another straight up. Now, trades involve multiple teams and involve not only an exchange of players, but also include draft picks, draft rights, pick swaps, and trade exceptions.

[BatManu20]

Maybe I’m dense but what did we actually give up?

Nothing. Just helped WAS free up cap space by allowing them to dump Hutchison so we could gain that SRP.

[ducks]

obby Marks BobbyMarks42
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Because there is no salary incoming, Brooklyn does not have to match salary.

The Dinwiddie money was added to Kuzma, KCP, Harrell, Holiday to match the Westbrook contract.

$49.7M to WASH
$44.1M to LAL

That falls within 125%

[J_Paco]

Is this yet another white guy

No, he's not White. Might be bi - racial, though, so does that count?

[Uriel]

Truth be told, SA does have to give up something to fulfill the rules. Needs to be a pick, prospect or cash. Eating dead money, while obviously the true value of Spurs' inclusion in this deal, doesn't meet the requirements
Maybe it’s the draft rights to Milutinov :lol

[NASpurs]

*snore*

[Sugus]

I'm nervous as fuck tbh, this off-season has been interesting if nothing else, with shit going down every day...

Did we really give up nothing for a 2rd pick and a (mediocre) prospect? Sounds too good to be true...

[Chinook]

Maybe it’s the draft rights to Milutinov :lol

Why do you hate the capillaries in my eyes so much?

[r0drig0lac]

I like

[NASpurs]

Seriously, who or what did we give up? Did Brian Wright participate in an orgy and is the only one getting fucked as per the usual?

[Chomag]

How many freaking scrubs can this team horde tbh?

[RC_Drunkford]

Good move. Got something for nothing ( if we truly didn’t give up anybody). That’s not the end though. With KBD and Weiskamp we have what now? 19 players? Definitely more to come

[slick'81]

How many freaking scrubs can this team horde tbh?


Bruh, this all part of the master plan to aquire-simmons,turner,sabonis or siakim. Trust the process. Plus according to nook spurs have to give up a player or rights somewhere

[widowmaker]

Don't think this is possible. Teams have to wait a minimum of x amout of days before trading newly signed FAs.


Welp i guess I’ll keep my fingers crossed that he has a career ending injury during preseason.

[NASpurs]

Is this yet another white guy

The whitest sounding name, that's for sure.

[Spurs9]

At least Spurs are actually doing stuff this offseason.

[spurraider21]

Truth be told, SA does have to give up something to fulfill the rules. Needs to be a pick, prospect or cash. Eating dead money, while obviously the true value of Spurs' inclusion in this deal, doesn't meet the requirements
Top 59 protected 2nd round pick

or something

[SAGirl]

Maybe I’m dense but what did we actually give up?
I am similarly puzzled. Even if its the rights to Milutinov and a 2nd round top 55 protected or something. I think they liked Hutchison enough to maybe sign him to a 2 way deal?

[Barfunk]

Seriously, who or what did we give up? Did Brian Wright participate in an orgy and is the only one getting fucked as per the usual?

There's posters on this forum that would do a better job than this dude, and I truly mean that.

[slick'81]

https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/recruiting/ncb/players/190/172531.jpg&w=190&h=254

[TD 21]

The trade was obviously for the 2nd. Despite all the inevitable over analysis and questions about his inclusion, expect Hutchison, like Aminu, to be waived.

[slick'81]

The trade was obviously for the 2nd. Despite all the inevitable over analysis and questions about his inclusion, expect Hutchison, like Aminu, to be waived.


Shhit wright will flip em for a 2nd watch

[spurraider21]

The trade was obviously for the 2nd. Despite all the inevitable over analysis and questions about his inclusion, expect Hutchison, like Aminu, to be waived.
hutchinson is cheap-ish so i could see that, but aminu's salary is 10 mil... you really think ownership is just going to eat that?

[Degoat]

What’s interesting is I feel like a lot of teams haven’t done much yet, Blazers, nuggets, Grizzlies, pelicans, clippers haven’t done much yet.

[ace3g]

19 players and counting.

[slick'81]

hutchinson is cheap-ish so i could see that, but aminu's salary is 10 mil... you really think ownership is just going to eat that?


Hes absolute trash soo maybe?

[TD 21]

hutchinson is cheap-ish so i could see that, but aminu's salary is 10 mil... you really think ownership is just going to eat that?

Unless they make another trade, they're going to have to cut 2 and they're the obvious candidates.

[Chinook]

19 players and counting.

20 unless they've pulled the QO from KBD

[slick'81]

20 unless they've pulled the QO from KBD


Jeffries in there also?

[ace3g]

20 unless they've pulled the QO from KBD

Did I miss someone?

Updated roster: Murray - PG Jones - PG White - PG/SG Forbes - SG Primo - SG Walker - SG/SF Johnson - SG/SF Vassell - SG/SF Wieskamp - SG/SF McDermott - SF Aminu - SF/PF Bates-Diop - SF/PF Hutchison - SF/PF Young - PF Šamanić - PF Eubanks - PF/C Poeltl - C Landale - C Collins - C

** Jeffries

[spurraider21]

Hes absolute trash soo maybe?
would make a hell of a lot more sense to sell his expiring deal than eating 10 mil

[slick'81]

Did I miss someone?

Updated roster: Murray - PG Jones - PG White - PG/SG Forbes - SG Primo - SG Walker - SG/SF Johnson - SG/SF Vassell - SG/SF Wieskamp - SG/SF McDermott - SF Aminu - SF/PF Bates-Diop - SF/PF Hutchison - SF/PF Young - PF Šamanić - PF Eubanks - PF/C Poeltl - C Landale - C Collins - C


Jeffries

[ducks]

Some of those players will be in Austin

[slick'81]

would make a hell of a lot more sense to sell his expiring deal than eating 10 mil


Wright will figure it out. Sure there's a 2nd rnd pickout there somewhere

[tonight...you]

https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/recruiting/ncb/players/190/172531.jpg&w=190&h=254
Super white, Dejounte

[Chucho]

Bruh, this all part of the master plan to aquire-simmons,turner,sabonis or siakim. Trust the process. Plus according to nook spurs have to give up a player or rights somewhere

You seriously think the Spurs are somehow upgrading out of this shit storm they've assembled?

[slick'81]

You seriously think the Spurs are somehow upgrading out of this shit storm they've assembled?


:lol Hell no, but thats the buzz going around here

[EasyMoney]

At least Spurs are actually doing stuff this offseason.


99% of offseason its just bringing back the same guys plus one random person and calling it a day. I'm enjoying this experience.

[tonight...you]

You seriously think the Spurs are somehow upgrading out of this shit storm they've assembled?
I'm willing to see the final team come together and play for a bit before making judgement, but I get your feelings upon the matter.

[Mr. Body]

Bought a second round pick with cap space

[kobyz]

playing style is similar to Keldon...

[kobyz]

we should demand Deni instead...

[kobyz]

Dejounte Murray/Derrick White/Tre Jones
Lonnie Walker/Josh Primo/Bryn Forbes
Keldon Johnson/Devin Vassell/Chandler Hutchison/Joe Wieskamp
Doug McDermott/Thaddeus Young/Al-Farouq Aminu/Luka Samanic
Jakob Poeltl/Jock Landale/Zach Collins/Drew Eubanks

[XDT76]

Is Eubanks gone? Not only are our players over limits the contracts seem to be over Cap space for all these to happen, we need to lose salaries and waiving guarantee contracts does not do that.

[Maddog]

Spurs stock piling those 2nd rounders

They're on track to be the Thunder of the second round

[DPG21920]

Okc wants all the firsts and SA wants all the 2nds. It’s like in monopoly where one players gets all the property and the other guy is obsessed with getting all 4 railroads and 2 utilities

[NO LIMIT ARMY COMMANDER]

1. Tank and add picks
2. Repeat 1

[timvp]

Good move. This is the type of weaponizing of cap space I wanted. Not a huge get but it's the type of deal the Spurs should be doing.

[NASpurs]

Okc wants all the firsts and SA wants all the 2nds. It’s like in monopoly where one players gets all the property and the other guy is obsessed with getting all 4 railroads and 2 utilities
DPG21920 turning heel is one of the most surprising 180s in this storyline.

[timvp]

Okc wants all the firsts and SA wants all the 2nds. It’s like in monopoly where one players gets all the property and the other guy is obsessed with getting all 4 railroads and 2 utilities

You can't complain the Spurs don't make these trades and then clown them when they do, my guy.

[NO LIMIT ARMY COMMANDER]

Good move. This is the type of weaponizing of cap space I wanted. Not a huge get but it's the type of deal the Spurs should be doing.

:hat

[JADG79]

Are Spurs collecting expiring contracts for a big trade?

Simmons?

[timvp]

Are Spurs collecting expiring contracts for a big trade?

Simmons?

Nah, just gathering free assets like they should be doing.

[slick'81]

Nah, just gathering free assets like they should be doing.


Yes, atleast they are getting assests . Extra 2nd rnd picks cant hurt,and that xtra 1st from chicago will def help down the line

[PhantomDashCam]

Nah, just gathering free assets like they should be doing.

I’m not sure they are getting another second rounder though…




Spurs to acquire Hutchison and either the Bulls’, Lakers,’, or Pistons 2022 second-round pick (whichever is most favorable; from Wizards).

[timvp]

I’m not sure they are getting another second rounder though…

Why not? Sounds like they're getting an awesome second round pick :wow

[Chinook]

I’m not sure they are getting another second rounder though…

Basically now SA gets two of those picks, the least favorable from CHI and the most favorable from WSH. SAC gets the middle pick unless they've traded that this week.

[timvp]

Getting a 30 something pick for a small salary dump = home run. Unless I'm missing something or misinterpreting the conditions, this looks like a great trade. Early seconds are more valuable than late firsts because you're not locked into a certain contract.

[PhantomDashCam]

Why not? Sounds like they're getting an awesome second round pick :wow

I thought this might mean it’s to do with the DDR deal yesterday meaning that the higher of the 3 available 2nd round picks go to the Spurs.
I’m happy to be educated on this. I’m def. confused by all the dealings :lol

Edit: Oh, saw Chinooks post as well. Thanks for clarifying gents. :tu

[Robz4000]

Basically now SA gets two of those picks, the least favorable from CHI and the most favorable from WSH. SAC gets the middle pick unless they've traded that this week.

On top of the Spurs' own second rounder, they can prolly package them to move up into the late first round. Spurs finally made a smart move with their cap space.

[timvp]

On top of the Spurs' own second rounder, they can prolly package them to move up into the late first round. Spurs finally made a smart move with their cap space.

Spurs traded their 2022 second rounder in that Boris Diaw salary dump a million years ago, unfortunately.

[timvp]

On top of the Spurs' own second rounder, they can prolly package them to move up into the late first round. Spurs finally made a smart move with their cap space.

Spurs traded their 2022 second rounder in that Boris Diaw salary dump a million years ago, unfortunately.

[Kurik]

So with this trade and the Derozan trade are they getting 3 2nd round picks or just 2?

[slick'81]

https://media.kens5.com/assets/KENS/images/9435d8a9-be6d-4e9f-b59a-a8accbb8b586/9435d8a9-be6d-4e9f-b59a-a8accbb8b586_1140x641.jpg

-I know wtf im doing

[Chinook]

Getting a 30 something pick for a small salary dump = home run. Unless I'm missing something or misinterpreting the conditions, this looks like a great trade. Early seconds are more valuable than late firsts because you're not locked into a certain contract.

So going into this off-season, Washington had the rights to be best of those three picks, Sacramento has the rights to the second-best of those picks and Chicago had the rights to the worst pick. The Spurs got the worst pick as a result of the DeRozan trade and the best pick as a result of the Hutch trade. This isn't a situation where Chicago now gets to keep their pick, because "better pick" that WSH got wasn't Chicago's to give. It's possible that the Spurs agreed to send that pick out in order to fulfill the trade requirements. But that's not indicated by what was just posted.

[Robz4000]

Spurs traded their 2022 second rounder in that Boris Diaw salary dump a million years ago, unfortunately.

:lol of course they did

[timvp]

So going into this off-season, Washington had the rights to be best of those three picks, Sacramento has the rights to the second-best of those picks and Chicago had the rights to the worst pick. The Spurs got the worst pick as a result of the DeRozan trade and the best pick as a result of the Hutch trade. This isn't a situation where Chicago now gets to keep their pick, because "better pick" that WSH got wasn't Chicago's to give. It's possible that the Spurs agreed to send that pick out in order to fulfill the trade requirements. But that's not indicated by what was just posted.

Yeah, Spurs have to send out something in this trade. You can't be in a trade without sending something (anything) somewhere. Hopefully the Spurs just send out a top-55 protected second round pick or the rights to Robertas Javtokas or whatever.

[RC_Drunkford]

So we still got 2 2nd round picks and 1 first round pick? We just get the better 2nd rounder? Did I get this right? :lol Cause i initially thought we got 2 seconds from the Bulls and a 3rd one from the Wizards

[Chinook]

So we still got 2 2nd round picks and 1 first round pick? We just get the better 2nd rounder? Did I get this right? :lol Cause i initially thought we got 2 seconds from the Bulls and a 3rd one from the Wizards

The Spurs did get three seconds and a first. It's just not clear if they sent out a second to complete the Hutchison deal. SA has to send out something, if only like $500k in cash or whatever. Most of their international rights probably won't work anymore, but Hanga, Milutinov and Dangubic probably do.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/fredkatz/status/1423069432876830723?s=21

that Detroit pick should be pretty high

[timvp]

So we still got 2 2nd round picks and 1 first round pick? We just get the better 2nd rounder? Did I get this right? :lol Cause i initially thought we got 2 seconds from the Bulls and a 3rd one from the Wizards

As far as I've read so far, the Bulls sent the Spurs two second round picks. One in 2022, one some other year a few years from now. This trade, as far as I can tell, is the Spurs taking Hutchinson's $4 million contract for the BEST 2022 second round pick of the Pistons, Lakers and Bulls. So, considering the Pistons will likely keep tanking, the Spurs traded for a 30-something pick for $4 million. If that's correct, that's one hell of a great trade. This past draft, late second round picks were getting sold for $3 million. To get a 30-something for $4 million is highway robbery.

[RC_Drunkford]

Yeah that’s a good move. And Hutchinson is expiring as well. I‘m curious what the next move is. I don’t think they are done

[Kurik]

As far as I've read so far, the Bulls sent the Spurs two second round picks. One in 2022, one some other year a few years from now. This trade, as far as I can tell, is the Spurs taking Hutchinson's $4 million contract for the BEST 2022 second round pick of the Pistons, Lakers and Bulls. So, considering the Pistons will likely keep tanking, the Spurs traded for a 30-something pick for $4 million. If that's correct, that's one hell of a great trade. This past draft, late second round picks were getting sold for $3 million. To get a 30-something for $4 million is highway robbery.

For the Derozan trade it was reported that the Bulls were sending the Lakers 2022 second round pick and the Bulls 2025 second round pick. So this Hutchinson trade isn’t an extra pick and is more like a free choice?

[SpurPadre]

Holy Fucking Shit...Hutchison ISN’T white?!

[timvp]

I'm not even 100% sure Hutchinson is a auto-release. He was pretty damn good two years ago from what I saw. Last year he didn't look good but two years I was impressed the few times I saw him. He's at least better than Aminu but also probably better than Jeffries and KBD unless something happened in the last year that I missed. I know he's been injured quite a bit so maybe that's why he had to get dumped so expensively.

[objective]

$4 million to swap up in the second round?

Ehhh ... Between this and Forbes and the players they'll have to cut, they're really burning through capital. I wish they would have burned some on John Collins

[timvp]

$4 million to swap up in the second round?

Ehhh ... Between this and Forbes and the players they'll have to cut, they're really burning through capital. I wish they would have burned some on John Collins

Don't see any "swapping up" in this trade, tbh.

If this trade is as reported, it's a great trade by the Spurs -- gotta give them credit for this move. This is the type of deals they should be doing. It's almost too good to be true ... hopefully there's no catch like Lonnie or Luka is involved or something :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Bulls fans and Wizards absolutely despise this dude, so take that for what you will :lol

Love the 2nd rnd pickup though

[timvp]

Bulls fans and Wizards absolutely despise this dude, so take that for what you will :lol

Yeah, judging by this trade, something must have gone really wrong with him. Otherwise, the Wizards wouldn't have had to pay top, top dollar to salary dump a guy on an expiring $4 million deal.

[SAGirl]

I don’t know what’s going on in this trade. can somebody explain it to me in simple, non capologist terms? Also I am not ready to celebrate this trade without really understanding what happened and without knowing what SA gave up.

[objective]

Don't see any "swapping up" in this trade, tbh.

If this trade is as reported, it's a great trade by the Spurs -- gotta give them credit for this move. This is the type of deals they should be doing. It's almost too good to be true ... hopefully there's no catch like Lonnie or Luka is involved or something :lol

Their total future incoming seconds went from two to two? If that's right, it's a swap up. If it's 3 total seconds I'll be happy to see.

Because it it's a de facto swap, good for spending the money, I just think big picture other moves would have been better uses

[kht]

We're at least bringing Chandler into the season right? Seems like a young, serviceable wing.

[DPG21920]

You can't complain the Spurs don't make these trades and then clown them when they do, my guy.

Can’t make jokes now? Forbes has you really twisted up lol

[timvp]

I don’t know what’s going on in this trade. can somebody explain it to me in simple, non capologist terms? Also I am not ready to celebrate this trade without really understanding what happened and without knowing what SA gave up.

The Spurs paid $4 million for the Pistons 2022 second round pick which should be somewhere between 31 and 40.

[DPG21920]

DPG21920 turning heel is one of the most surprising 180s in this storyline.

I’m upset at a lot Sa did but not this. Was just a joke

[Robz4000]

Their total future incoming seconds went from two to two? If that's right, it's a swap up. If it's 3 total seconds I'll be happy to see.

Because it it's a de facto swap, good for spending the money, I just think big picture other moves would have been better uses

Went from two to three.

[FireMicoHalili]

$4 million to swap up in the second round?

Ehhh ... Between this and Forbes and the players they'll have to cut, they're really burning through capital. I wish they would have burned some on John Collins
they probably know chances are slim at landing Collins. Either way they have expiring contracts to send out to acquire someone like Simmons (even if this isn't ideal)

[Biggems]

Seriously, who or what did we give up? Did Brian Wright participate in an orgy and is the only one getting fucked as per the usual?

he thoroughly enjoys being bukkaked

[Degoat]

Chandler Hutchinson posted to his IG story, basically saying “people that sleep on you will realized they fcked up by counting you out, keep working.”

[Dejounte]

Chandler Hutchinson posted to his IG story, basically saying “people that sleep on you will realized they fcked up by counting you out, keep working.”

hes not even posting about becoming a Spur. Dude is going to be waived very soon

[Mnky]

Yeah, judging by this trade, something must have gone really wrong with him. Otherwise, the Wizards wouldn't have had to pay top, top dollar to salary dump a guy on an expiring $4 million deal.

He got shipped out or Chicago because he thought he was a star and deserved more. He made a lot of bad comments was held out of games for "personal reasons."

He bad mouthed the organization on social media when they shipped him much like he's doing now with the wizards. He's been a headache since getting in the league thinking highly of himself and low of others. Hasn't meshed well with others so far. Really not sure if spurs try to remediate or waive due to his continued negativity.

[Chucho]

$4 million for a second round pick is good? Why?

[Chinook]

$4 million for a second round pick is good? Why?

Because they often cost more. Think about how much the Spurs got for taking on Aminu. That's ignoring Young in the equation. A high second for $4 Million or a late second and distant second for more than $10 Million

[RC_Drunkford]

He got shipped out or Chicago because he thought he was a star and deserved more. He made a lot of bad comments was held out of games for "personal reasons."

He bad mouthed the organization on social media when they shipped him much like he's doing now with the wizards. He's been a headache since getting in the league thinking highly of himself and low of others. Hasn't meshed well with others so far. Really not sure if spurs try to remediate or waive due to his continued negativity.

well this is definitely the right organization to „get over himself“ :lol

[TheChillFactor]

i'm sure the spurs have decent intel on former Bulls from Jim Boylen.

if Hutchison is here, Boylen must have told them he has some untapped potential.

Of course, that's how we got Jackie Butler, so you never know the quality of the intel i guess.

[Robz4000]

i'm sure the spurs have decent intel on former Bulls from Jim Boylen.

if Hutchison is here, Boylen must have told them he has some untapped potential.

Of course, that's how we got Jackie Butler, so you never know the quality of the intel i guess.

I trust Jim Boylen about as far as I can throw him, and he makes Porker look skinny.

[TheChillFactor]

I trust Jim Boylen about as far as I can throw him, and he makes Porker look skinny.

yeah, obviously he had a disastrous stint in Chicago. From what it sounds like, because he is an idiot.

my experience has taught me that geniuses are often wrong and idiots are sometimes right so you have to evaluate the information from both.

edit - saw the tiktoks. this clown is not long for this team. this trade was for the pick.

[ace3g]

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Fred Katz FredKatz
(https://twitter.com/FredKatz) 1m (https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/1423134997784014855)
One more tidbit, per sources: The Spurs are trading the rights to international prospect and former first-round pick Nikola Milutinov to the Nets as part of the five-team mega trade that’s bringing Russell Westbrook to L.A. and Spencer Dinwiddie to D.C.

[John B]

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Fred Katz (https://twitter.com/FredKatz)Fred (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=9739)Katz
1m (https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/1423134997784014855)
One more tidbit, per sources: The Spurs are trading the rights to international prospect and former first-round pick Nikola Milutinov to the Nets as part of the five-team mega trade that’s bringing Russell Westbrook to L.A. and Spencer Dinwiddie to D.C.

That settles the Milutinov thread :lol

[slick'81]

That settles the Milutinov thread :lol


Nice pickup for nj:lol

[objective]

Losing Milutinov ... This off-season just gets worse and worse

At least he'll probably get to the NBA next year

[spurraider21]

milutinov is not an nba player. he was only thrown in because we had to give something up

[Robz4000]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/973290628061810690/685Q_ssk_normal.jpg
Fred Katz FredKatz
(https://twitter.com/FredKatz) 1m (https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/1423134997784014855)
One more tidbit, per sources: The Spurs are trading the rights to international prospect and former first-round pick Nikola Milutinov to the Nets as part of the five-team mega trade that’s bringing Russell Westbrook to L.A. and Spencer Dinwiddie to D.C.

:lol Chinook

[SAGirl]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/973290628061810690/685Q_ssk_normal.jpg
Fred Katz (https://twitter.com/FredKatz)Fred (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=9739)Katz
1m (https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/1423134997784014855)
One more tidbit, per sources: The Spurs are trading the rights to international prospect and former first-round pick Nikola Milutinov to the Nets as part of the five-team mega trade that’s bringing Russell Westbrook to L.A. and Spencer Dinwiddie to D.C.
There it is! Thanks Ace!
Spurs turned Milutinov and cash into a second round pick. Maybe the Nets are intrigued by him?

[ElNono]

:lol countless threads about Milutinov washed away by a 2nd round pick

[Kurik]

Assuming Detroit will have the highest pick, does this mean the Spurs should be getting the following picks?

Lakers 2022 2nd Round Pick (Derozan Trade)
Pistons 2022 2nd Round Pick (Hutchison Trade)
Bulls 2025 2nd Round Pick (Derozan Trade)

Bulls 2025 Protected First Round Pick (Derozan Trade)

[slick'81]

Assuming Detroit will have the highest pick, does this mean the Spurs should be getting the following picks?

Lakers 2022 2nd Round Pick (Derozan Trade)
Pistons 2022 2nd Round Pick (Hutchinson Trade)
Bulls 2025 2nd Round Pick (Derozan Trade)

lets fckn goooooo!

[talkspurs]

Assuming Detroit will have the highest pick, does this mean the Spurs should be getting the following picks?

Lakers 2022 2nd Round Pick (Derozan Trade)
Pistons 2022 2nd Round Pick (Hutchison Trade)
Bulls 2025 2nd Round Pick (Derozan Trade)

Bulls 2025 Protected First Round Pick (Derozan Trade)

Correct as long as Lakers are the worst pick and Pistons are the best pick. Also the first is no earlier then 2025 it does have some protections on it.

[slick'81]

Correct as long as Lakers are the worst pick and Pistons are the best pick. Also the first is no earlier then 2025 it does have some protections on it.


Yup, who knows what shape that bulls team will be in 3-4 years. Spurs might have to wait a while to cash in that protected first

[Teamduncan21]

Hope we can trade those second rounds to maybe a late first round or to move up or something. Second rounds rarely become relevant.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

milutinov is not an nba player. he was only thrown in because we had to give something up

Don't think he even wants to play in the NBA. He's getting paid very well in Europe. Better than what he'd get from a NBA team.

[playblair]

Don't think he even wants to play in the NBA. He's getting paid very well in Europe. Better than what he'd get from a NBA team.
he does want to play in the nba.......he is still bitter


"To go there, I need to be invited to go there. I never had something official from them. It was only just talking. They were never serious about taking me, and I cannot go there by myself.
They need to show me their will to take me and they didn't in the previous years.

[BillMc]

Losing Milutinov ... This off-season just gets worse and worse

At least he'll probably get to the NBA next year

So in effect, we paid 4 million to turn our 2015 first rounder into a second rounder. Hmmm.... Well, honestly, it was sunk costs, so good to get something back for Milutinov. He was never going to be a Spur.

[BillMc]

He got shipped out or Chicago because he thought he was a star and deserved more. He made a lot of bad comments was held out of games for "personal reasons."

He bad mouthed the organization on social media when they shipped him much like he's doing now with the wizards. He's been a headache since getting in the league thinking highly of himself and low of others. Hasn't meshed well with others so far. Really not sure if spurs try to remediate or waive due to his continued negativity.

Doesn't sound like he is CREAM TEAM worthy....

[callo1]

I remember him posterizing Chimezie a couple years back.

[Fazzlaa]

https://twitter.com/TorontoDame/status/1395575498642804738
https://twitter.com/CardinalsToHell/status/1389067763201757188
https://twitter.com/StanimalSZN/status/1395748426629980162
https://twitter.com/buddyhieldLFGM/status/1390102987658260480
https://twitter.com/TroyHalibur/status/1394085575641247746

Enjoy Spurs fans

[tbdog]

Wtf is tik tok and why does it kill brain cells?

[Uriel]

He got shipped out or Chicago because he thought he was a star and deserved more. He made a lot of bad comments was held out of games for "personal reasons."

He bad mouthed the organization on social media when they shipped him much like he's doing now with the wizards. He's been a headache since getting in the league thinking highly of himself and low of others. Hasn't meshed well with others so far. Really not sure if spurs try to remediate or waive due to his continued negativity.
Yikes. Okay, sounds for sure like the guy is going to get cut.

Remember Stephen Jackson being better than Danny Green? :lol

[BillMc]

https://twitter.com/TorontoDame/status/1395575498642804738
https://twitter.com/CardinalsToHell/status/1389067763201757188
https://twitter.com/StanimalSZN/status/1395748426629980162
https://twitter.com/buddyhieldLFGM/status/1390102987658260480
https://twitter.com/TroyHalibur/status/1394085575641247746

Enjoy Spurs fans

Like the worsst of DJ and Dwight Howard combined into one personality. Not on the CREAM team.

[Uriel]

Watch Milutinov become the next Luis Scola :lmao

[Maddog]

So in effect, we paid 4 million to turn our 2015 first rounder into a second rounder. Hmmm.... Well, honestly, it was sunk costs, so good to get something back for Milutinov. He was never going to be a Spur.

well highly unlikely. He was taken because of two characteristics.
1. he showed some promise
2. He wasn't coming over the year drafted so he didn't impact cap space as they Pursued LMA. In the past the Spurs have even traded out of the 1st round and probably tried to do it then
The game has changed even in the short time since he was drafted, so his value has declined.

[Chomag]

:lol countless threads about Milutinov washed away by a 2nd round pick
You son of a bitch I'm in!

[The Truth #6]

Ok so how do they get rid of Tik tok sensation? Just waive him? Gulag in Austin?

[Twisted_Dawg]

So in effect, we paid 4 million to turn our 2015 first rounder into a second rounder. Hmmm.... Well, honestly, it was sunk costs, so good to get something back for Milutinov. He was never going to be a Spur.

I must have missed something. How and when did we pay $4 million for what/whom?

[Ocotillo]

I must have missed something. How and when did we pay $4 million for what/whom? Taking on the Hutchison contract @ 4 mill. We pay the Tik Tok kid no matter what (unless he can be flipped for something else, unlikely)

[Twisted_Dawg]

Taking on the Hutchison contract @ 4 mill. We pay the Tik Tok kid no matter what (unless he can be flipped for something else, unlikely)

Got it! Thanks!

[spurraider21]

Watch Milutinov become the next Luis Scola :lmao
Scola was actually a good player. Mikutinovs rights were only in the trade because the spurs literally had to have something in there.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Scola was actually a good player. Mikutinovs rights were only in the trade because the spurs literally had to have something in there.

Milutinov is a good player too, but more for FIBA style basketball. He'd be dime a dozen type of center in the current NBA. Jock Landale has a better chance to make an impact.

[timvp]

Eh, I think Milutinov is actually a good prospect. The Spurs were never going to bring him over so not much of a loss. But, yeah, that probably knocks this down from an A trade to an A- trade.

[spurraider21]

Eh, I think Milutinov is actually a good prospect. The Spurs were never going to bring him over so not much of a loss. But, yeah, that probably knocks this down from an A trade to an A- trade.
man, i really don't see it. looks like he would have been a nice backup in the early-mid 2000s but dont really see how he works in today's NBA at all

[Chinook]

Eh, I think Milutinov is actually a good prospect. The Spurs were never going to bring him over so not much of a loss. But, yeah, that probably knocks this down from an A trade to an A- trade.

So the 2015 draft is never going to be okay. It's always going to be the Chernobyl of my Spurs fandom. But Milutinov is a good player while also being a bad prospect. He can just straight make more money in Europe compared to the US. Add in a buyout and a restricted market, and it didn't make sense. Nik would've only worked on the first-round scale, and after they let two years go by, they lost their leverage to get him to take less.

Of course, they absolutely should've just brought him over. They didn't need the money. I think realizing how much they ruined that situation and the one with Hanga soured them to the idea of stashing.

[rah88sa]

https://twitter.com/TorontoDame/status/1395575498642804738
https://twitter.com/CardinalsToHell/status/1389067763201757188
https://twitter.com/StanimalSZN/status/1395748426629980162
https://twitter.com/buddyhieldLFGM/status/1390102987658260480
https://twitter.com/TroyHalibur/status/1394085575641247746

Enjoy Spurs fans

wow this guy is a chode. At least he got us a pick.

[timvp]

man, i really don't see it. looks like he would have been a nice backup in the early-mid 2000s but dont really see how he works in today's NBA at all

Yeah, tbh, I'd rather have Jock ... but you'd hope you'd get something more than literally nothing for him in a trade. The Spurs had to pick anything to add to this trade and went with him. Not a loss but just a little disappointing.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, tbh, I'd rather have Jock ... but you'd hope you'd get something more than literally nothing for him in a trade. The Spurs had to pick anything to add to this trade and went with him. Not a loss but just a little disappointing.
well the fact that they drafted him to begin with was the issue (and that they never bothered at least trying to bring him over), but moving a guy who is likely never coming to the NBA and doesnt even look like he can have a role in the NBA doesnt hurt my feelings at all

[DPG21920]

Yeah, tbh, I'd rather have Jock ... but you'd hope you'd get something more than literally nothing for him in a trade. The Spurs had to pick anything to add to this trade and went with him. Not a loss but just a little disappointing.

Utilities and Railroads now :lol? Jk

[objective]

He was a free agent last year I think, he had no buyout problems even before that I'm sure as he was expecting to be in the NBA. He would have earned his check a lot more than DeMarre Carroll or Trey Lyles.

If Zubac can succeed in the NBA in his role, Milutinov certainly could.

Anyways

I remember the good old days on this forum when so many were convinced that Scola couldn't play in the NBA, he was just a fiba and Europe guy. After all, if he was any good at all, the Spurs would have signed him, right?

And I remember the delight in the Spurs suckering some dumb new gm into taking his rights in a tiny salary dump, didn't that idiot know there was an impossible buyout? Didn't he know that Scola was demanding the max?

Besides, duncan and him could never play together, because they both could only play on the low block and two objects couldn't occupy the same space at the same time. Neither had any other way to score or contribute. It just wasn't meant to be.

Trip down memory lane aside, what really burns about Milutinov, or Scola, or even Hanga et al is this ...

In the harsh game of talent acquisition, the Spurs had already won at the hardest part: identifying NBA talent AND having exclusive rights. They did it! And that talent is usually gettable for cheap or reasonable for their first contract. After that it can be a rough road, but the Spurs scouting had done their job. They had the players! No one else could come in and steal them away in the NBA.

That's like free money. Free roll of the dice. Free square.

Every other team is scrambling to find guys and blowing picks, churning through 'second draft' busts, banking on washed up retirees, cycling through 10 days and 2 ways and summer leagues all just to find guys who can play on an active roster.

And the Spurs have had it and just tossed it aside; it's maddening. Why not use the asset while it's most valuable, that first contract? You've done all the work, just cross the finish line and take the prize.

And the Spurs guys wanted to be here. Scola wanted to play with Manu. Duncan was his favorite player. Hanga wanted to be a Spur, Milutinov too.

Morey pulled his hair out over Llull refusing any offer. The Magic set their franchise back with Fran Vasquez.

The Spurs had it, why didn't they just take it? I'll never get it. Instead of titles in 05 and 07, is it possible that they would have run through 05, 06, 07, and 08? With just one small move, one flap of the butterfly wings ... A greasy haired flopper would have emerged from the chrysalis, glorious to behold!!!!

Oh well. At least they were able to spend their money where it really mattered most.

Bryn Forbes

[TheDoctor]

This is what a modern day NBA trade looks like. Gone are the days when teams would just trade one player for another straight up. Now, trades involve multiple teams and involve not only an exchange of players, but also include draft picks, draft rights, pick swaps, and trade exceptions.

Are you complaining or just stating the obvious?

[TheDoctor]

https://twitter.com/TorontoDame/status/1395575498642804738
https://twitter.com/CardinalsToHell/status/1389067763201757188
https://twitter.com/StanimalSZN/status/1395748426629980162
https://twitter.com/buddyhieldLFGM/status/1390102987658260480
https://twitter.com/TroyHalibur/status/1394085575641247746

Enjoy Spurs fans

Fuck this Clown.

[The Truth #6]

He was a free agent last year I think, he had no buyout problems even before that I'm sure as he was expecting to be in the NBA. He would have earned his check a lot more than DeMarre Carroll or Trey Lyles.

If Zubac can succeed in the NBA in his role, Milutinov certainly could.

Anyways

I remember the good old days on this forum when so many were convinced that Scola couldn't play in the NBA, he was just a fiba and Europe guy. After all, if he was any good at all, the Spurs would have signed him, right?

And I remember the delight in the Spurs suckering some dumb new gm into taking his rights in a tiny salary dump, didn't that idiot know there was an impossible buyout? Didn't he know that Scola was demanding the max?

Besides, duncan and him could never play together, because they both could only play on the low block and two objects couldn't occupy the same space at the same time. Neither had any other way to score or contribute. It just wasn't meant to be.

Trip down memory lane aside, what really burns about Milutinov, or Scola, or even Hanga et al is this ...

In the harsh game of talent acquisition, the Spurs had already won at the hardest part: identifying NBA talent AND having exclusive rights. They did it! And that talent is usually gettable for cheap or reasonable for their first contract. After that it can be a rough road, but the Spurs scouting had done their job. They had the players! No one else could come in and steal them away in the NBA.

That's like free money. Free roll of the dice. Free square.

Every other team is scrambling to find guys and blowing picks, churning through 'second draft' busts, banking on washed up retirees, cycling through 10 days and 2 ways and summer leagues all just to find guys who can play on an active roster.

And the Spurs have had it and just tossed it aside; it's maddening. Why not use the asset while it's most valuable, that first contract? You've done all the work, just cross the finish line and take the prize.

And the Spurs guys wanted to be here. Scola wanted to play with Manu. Duncan was his favorite player. Hanga wanted to be a Spur, Milutinov too.

Morey pulled his hair out over Llull refusing any offer. The Magic set their franchise back with Fran Vasquez.

The Spurs had it, why didn't they just take it? I'll never get it. Instead of titles in 05 and 07, is it possible that they would have run through 05, 06, 07, and 08? With just one small move, one flap of the butterfly wings ... A greasy haired flopper would have emerged from the chrysalis, glorious to behold!!!!

Oh well. At least they were able to spend their money where it really mattered most.

Bryn Forbes

Poetry.

[Dverde]

Good thing Pop has no idea what a tic tok is. Probably going to figure out after a single practice this guy sucks.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

mommas don't let your babies get named to be chandler

[pad300]

He was a free agent last year I think, he had no buyout problems even before that I'm sure as he was expecting to be in the NBA. He would have earned his check a lot more than DeMarre Carroll or Trey Lyles.

If Zubac can succeed in the NBA in his role, Milutinov certainly could.

Anyways

I remember the good old days on this forum when so many were convinced that Scola couldn't play in the NBA, he was just a fiba and Europe guy. After all, if he was any good at all, the Spurs would have signed him, right?

And I remember the delight in the Spurs suckering some dumb new gm into taking his rights in a tiny salary dump, didn't that idiot know there was an impossible buyout? Didn't he know that Scola was demanding the max?

Besides, duncan and him could never play together, because they both could only play on the low block and two objects couldn't occupy the same space at the same time. Neither had any other way to score or contribute. It just wasn't meant to be.

Trip down memory lane aside, what really burns about Milutinov, or Scola, or even Hanga et al is this ...

In the harsh game of talent acquisition, the Spurs had already won at the hardest part: identifying NBA talent AND having exclusive rights. They did it! And that talent is usually gettable for cheap or reasonable for their first contract. After that it can be a rough road, but the Spurs scouting had done their job. They had the players! No one else could come in and steal them away in the NBA.

That's like free money. Free roll of the dice. Free square.

Every other team is scrambling to find guys and blowing picks, churning through 'second draft' busts, banking on washed up retirees, cycling through 10 days and 2 ways and summer leagues all just to find guys who can play on an active roster.

And the Spurs have had it and just tossed it aside; it's maddening. Why not use the asset while it's most valuable, that first contract? You've done all the work, just cross the finish line and take the prize.

And the Spurs guys wanted to be here. Scola wanted to play with Manu. Duncan was his favorite player. Hanga wanted to be a Spur, Milutinov too.

Morey pulled his hair out over Llull refusing any offer. The Magic set their franchise back with Fran Vasquez.

The Spurs had it, why didn't they just take it? I'll never get it. Instead of titles in 05 and 07, is it possible that they would have run through 05, 06, 07, and 08? With just one small move, one flap of the butterfly wings ... A greasy haired flopper would have emerged from the chrysalis, glorious to behold!!!!

Oh well. At least they were able to spend their money where it really mattered most.

Bryn Forbes

Now your just rubbing salt in the wound...

[pad300]

He was a free agent last year I think, he had no buyout problems even before that I'm sure as he was expecting to be in the NBA. He would have earned his check a lot more than DeMarre Carroll or Trey Lyles.

If Zubac can succeed in the NBA in his role, Milutinov certainly could.

Anyways

I remember the good old days on this forum when so many were convinced that Scola couldn't play in the NBA, he was just a fiba and Europe guy. After all, if he was any good at all, the Spurs would have signed him, right?

And I remember the delight in the Spurs suckering some dumb new gm into taking his rights in a tiny salary dump, didn't that idiot know there was an impossible buyout? Didn't he know that Scola was demanding the max?

Besides, duncan and him could never play together, because they both could only play on the low block and two objects couldn't occupy the same space at the same time. Neither had any other way to score or contribute. It just wasn't meant to be.

Trip down memory lane aside, what really burns about Milutinov, or Scola, or even Hanga et al is this ...

In the harsh game of talent acquisition, the Spurs had already won at the hardest part: identifying NBA talent AND having exclusive rights. They did it! And that talent is usually gettable for cheap or reasonable for their first contract. After that it can be a rough road, but the Spurs scouting had done their job. They had the players! No one else could come in and steal them away in the NBA.

That's like free money. Free roll of the dice. Free square.

Every other team is scrambling to find guys and blowing picks, churning through 'second draft' busts, banking on washed up retirees, cycling through 10 days and 2 ways and summer leagues all just to find guys who can play on an active roster.

And the Spurs have had it and just tossed it aside; it's maddening. Why not use the asset while it's most valuable, that first contract? You've done all the work, just cross the finish line and take the prize.

And the Spurs guys wanted to be here. Scola wanted to play with Manu. Duncan was his favorite player. Hanga wanted to be a Spur, Milutinov too.

Morey pulled his hair out over Llull refusing any offer. The Magic set their franchise back with Fran Vasquez.

The Spurs had it, why didn't they just take it? I'll never get it. Instead of titles in 05 and 07, is it possible that they would have run through 05, 06, 07, and 08? With just one small move, one flap of the butterfly wings ... A greasy haired flopper would have emerged from the chrysalis, glorious to behold!!!!

Oh well. At least they were able to spend their money where it really mattered most.

Bryn Forbes

Now your just rubbing salt in the wound...

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

this guy chandler, he's gross

[Chinook]

Milutinov didn't want to be a Spur enough to take his first-round contract. He could've forced his way over at any time but chose not to. That's on him. His agent wanted Bogdanovic money and that shit wasn't going to happen. Let's stop twisting things to make the Spurs worse than they are. The problem was that they waited too long to bring the guys over and weren't able to pay when it was time, not that they did guys wrong. Bertans bet on himself and got a ton of money. None of those other players were willing to do anything of the sort.

Forbes is a much better player than Miluntov. Carroll was too. Yes, Bryn has flaw that Pop exacerbated. Yes Carroll was a mistake. But the solution wouldn't be to replace them with Nik, who could've easily been his own mistake on the big deal he wanted. I HATED how the Spurs handled that draft. Openly, obviously and annoyingly I hated it. But even I can see that Milutinov needed to be the trade piece in this in order to keep the other picks. That he's not "nothing" is why SA got the best of the seconds traded in that deal. I certainly wouldn't've preferred sending out Hanga and getting a 2027 second instead.

[John B]

He was a free agent last year I think, he had no buyout problems even before that I'm sure as he was expecting to be in the NBA. He would have earned his check a lot more than DeMarre Carroll or Trey Lyles.

If Zubac can succeed in the NBA in his role, Milutinov certainly could.

Anyways

I remember the good old days on this forum when so many were convinced that Scola couldn't play in the NBA, he was just a fiba and Europe guy. After all, if he was any good at all, the Spurs would have signed him, right?

And I remember the delight in the Spurs suckering some dumb new gm into taking his rights in a tiny salary dump, didn't that idiot know there was an impossible buyout? Didn't he know that Scola was demanding the max?

Besides, duncan and him could never play together, because they both could only play on the low block and two objects couldn't occupy the same space at the same time. Neither had any other way to score or contribute. It just wasn't meant to be.

Trip down memory lane aside, what really burns about Milutinov, or Scola, or even Hanga et al is this ...

In the harsh game of talent acquisition, the Spurs had already won at the hardest part: identifying NBA talent AND having exclusive rights. They did it! And that talent is usually gettable for cheap or reasonable for their first contract. After that it can be a rough road, but the Spurs scouting had done their job. They had the players! No one else could come in and steal them away in the NBA.

That's like free money. Free roll of the dice. Free square.

Every other team is scrambling to find guys and blowing picks, churning through 'second draft' busts, banking on washed up retirees, cycling through 10 days and 2 ways and summer leagues all just to find guys who can play on an active roster.

And the Spurs have had it and just tossed it aside; it's maddening. Why not use the asset while it's most valuable, that first contract? You've done all the work, just cross the finish line and take the prize.

And the Spurs guys wanted to be here. Scola wanted to play with Manu. Duncan was his favorite player. Hanga wanted to be a Spur, Milutinov too.

Morey pulled his hair out over Llull refusing any offer. The Magic set their franchise back with Fran Vasquez.

The Spurs had it, why didn't they just take it? I'll never get it. Instead of titles in 05 and 07, is it possible that they would have run through 05, 06, 07, and 08? With just one small move, one flap of the butterfly wings ... A greasy haired flopper would have emerged from the chrysalis, glorious to behold!!!!

Oh well. At least they were able to spend their money where it really mattered most.

Bryn Forbes

Scola thread. It still hurts :lol

[ducks]

this guy chandler, he's gross

Lol players that get traded usually hates the gm and owner afterwards
Lol spurs had a player that would not even talk to the raptors gm


And would you feel great about having to move your family and no choice in the matter ?

[Dex]

Wtf is tik tok and why does it kill brain cells?

It's like Instagram for people with a 6 second attention span.

[Seventyniner]

It's like Instagram for people with a 6 second attention span.

I thought that was called Instagram.

[objective]

Milutinov didn't want to be a Spur enough to take his first-round contract. He could've forced his way over at any time but chose not to. That's on him. His agent wanted Bogdanovic money and that shit wasn't going to happen. Let's stop twisting things to make the Spurs worse than they are. The problem was that they waited too long to bring the guys over and weren't able to pay when it was time, not that they did guys wrong. Bertans bet on himself and got a ton of money. None of those other players were willing to do anything of the sort.

Forbes is a much better player than Miluntov. Carroll was too. Yes, Bryn has flaw that Pop exacerbated. Yes Carroll was a mistake. But the solution wouldn't be to replace them with Nik, who could've easily been his own mistake on the big deal he wanted. I HATED how the Spurs handled that draft. Openly, obviously and annoyingly I hated it. But even I can see that Milutinov needed to be the trade piece in this in order to keep the other picks. That he's not "nothing" is why SA got the best of the seconds traded in that deal. I certainly wouldn't've preferred sending out Hanga and getting a 2027 second instead.

You would have fit right in back in the anti-Scola days :lol. Those were the days

There's a lot I could go into, but why bother anymore? It's over for this saga.

Bottom line is I'm as certain about him being an NBA player as I was about Scola, he would have helped the team and would have earned whatever actual contract he was on, and the Spurs would have better off to have the asset in hand as a player. Spurs are the ones building the team, they are responsible for signing players, period. Their failure to properly use assets is their responsibility, not his.

[Maddog]

Scola thread. It still hurts :lol

I think timvp needs to permanently pin or post his explanation as to why the Spurs didn't and really where not able to sign Scola

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Lol players that get traded usually hates the gm and owner afterwards
Lol spurs had a player that would not even talk to the raptors gm


And would you feel great about having to move your family and no choice in the matter ?

i'd feel pretty damn good if i was making $4M a year to play a game, and if I was single and had no kids

but it's not his saltiness, it's his tik-tok personality in general that's gross

[Chinook]

You would have fit right in back in the anti-Scola days :lol. Those were the days

There's a lot I could go into, but why bother anymore? It's over for this saga.

Bottom line is I'm as certain about him being an NBA player as I was about Scola, he would have helped the team and would have earned whatever actual contract he was on, and the Spurs would have better off to have the asset in hand as a player. Spurs are the ones building the team, they are responsible for signing players, period. Their failure to properly use assets is their responsibility, not his.

I don't care about what you thought about Scola. Being right in one situation 15 years ago doesn't make you right now. This is ignoring of course how great Scola overseas and internationally. Dude was a Spanish League MVP, All-Euroleague and a gold medalist before coming to the NBA. Miluntov has some recognition in the Greek league and that's it. They aren't comparable players. That's before getting into how a scoring PF was still really valuable in 2007 while a garbage-man center is meh in the NBA today. I don't see you saying he's better than Poeltl or even Landale. So what if you think he's better than an abject bust signing or the worst defender in the West? Who isn't?

Again, Milutinov had a guaranteed contract and didn't take it. He can't act like the Spurs needed to pay him more money when they could get effective bigs for cheap or better bigs. He was stashed because he wanted an eight-figure deal. Dude couldn't bet on himself or even ask for the Spurs to release his rights or trade him to an interested team. As you probably think, SA gave his rights away for almost nothing. Clearly they weren't going to stop him from getting on with some NBA team if one had been willing to meet Nik's demands.

[Dex]

I thought that was called Instagram.

You joke, but I know people who will scroll Instagram for hours or TikTok for hours.

I can't do it. I scroll through Facebook or Insta for like 5 minutes and I am over it. I keep FB particularly to keep up with family and friends but I can't sit there and read it like a book.

Then again, I spend most of my downtime at work shooting the shit with all you characters, so who am I to judge? Different strokes, I guess.

That said...TikTok culture just gives me a headache, and I feel like it's going to have a bad effect on a lot of young people. It's like SnapChat, but worse...at least SnapChat gave us some funny memes.

[objective]

I don't care about what you thought about Scola. Being right in one situation 15 years ago doesn't make you right now. This is ignoring of course how great Scola overseas and internationally. Dude was a Spanish League MVP, All-Euroleague and a gold medalist before coming to the NBA. Miluntov has some recognition in the Greek league and that's it. They aren't comparable players. That's before getting into how a scoring PF was still really valuable in 2007 while a garbage-man center is meh in the NBA today. I don't see you saying he's better than Poeltl or even Landale. So what if you think he's better than an abject bust signing or the worst defender in the West? Who isn't?

Again, Milutinov had a guaranteed contract and didn't take it. He can't act like the Spurs needed to pay him more money when they could get effective bigs for cheap or better bigs. He was stashed because he wanted an eight-figure deal. Dude couldn't bet on himself or even ask for the Spurs to release his rights or trade him to an interested team. As you probably think, SA gave his rights away for almost nothing. Clearly they weren't going to stop him from getting on with some NBA team if one had been willing to meet Nik's demands.

You don't care what I think yet you respond.

If you don't care what I think, why complain that you don't know what I think about him vs Poeltl and Jock? Because if I did post it, you'd just say you don't care and blame Scola and his agent for their outrageous demands, it's all their fault! ... Oops I mean Milutinov

Keep believing whatever you want, it's okay. It's a diverse board. No worries.

[Robz4000]

You joke, but I know people who will scroll Instagram for hours or TikTok for hours.

I can't do it. I scroll through Facebook or Insta for like 5 minutes and I am over it. I keep FB particularly to keep up with family and friends but I can't sit there and read it like a book.

Then again, I spend most of my downtime at work shooting the shit with all you characters, so who am I to judge? Different strokes, I guess.

That said...TikTok culture just gives me a headache, and I feel like it's going to have a bad effect on a lot of young people. It's like SnapChat, but worse...at least SnapChat gave us some funny memes.

Eh, TikTok can be pretty funny but I agree, I can't scroll through that shit or any social media more than five mins before I grow bored of it.

[Degoat]

Chandler has a pretty big wingspan at 7 foot 1…. I wonder if the spurs will waive him in the coming
days or wait and see what he does at training camp

[Chinook]

You don't care what I think yet you respond.

If you don't care what I think, why complain that you don't know what I think about him vs Poeltl and Jock? Because if I did post it, you'd just say you don't care and blame Scola and his agent for their outrageous demands, it's all their fault! ... Oops I mean Milutinov

Keep believing whatever you want, it's okay. It's a diverse board. No worries.

I didn't say I didn't care about arguing with you. I'm saying I don't put any stock into the "Trust my take on Milutinov, because I thought Scola was good", or its mirror, "You're wrong about Milutinov because you would've been Scola 15 years." You're making a lazy argument. They're different players in different situations, and you damned well know that. It's actually insane that you're doubling down on the argument, in an even lazier way because you're assuming it's self-evident

[Chinook]

Basically, if you think Milutinov is a high-end starter, say that. We can debate that. But saying "He would've been better than Forbes" or "Better to give Nik money than Carroll" isn't helping. Zach Collins meets that same standard, and no one likes that deal either. What is true is that the Spurs weren't actually blocking Milutinov from going to the NBA, just like they didn't block Scola from doing it. Nik is making the equivalent of $17M/3 on his contract. If someone were willing to offer more than that and a buyout, he would be in the NBA. That's taking his desire to join the league as fact when it's probably questionable

[objective]

I didn't say I didn't care about arguing with you. I'm saying I don't put any stock into the "Trust my take on Milutinov, because I thought Scola was good", or its mirror, "You're wrong about Milutinov because you would've been Scola 15 years." You're making a lazy argument. They're different players in different situations, and you damned well know that. It's actually insane that you're doubling down on the argument, in an even lazier way because you're assuming it's self-evident

The situations are different but the results are (more or less) the same.

It's not a lazy argument, but it does assume a level of informed knowledge that I'm probably wrong to do. And it doesn't involve just listing accomplishments or awards, there were very specific in game reasons for Scola and Milutinov.

But why bother going through it and holding everyone's hand? (and I'm referring to everyone on the board, not attacking you) Just going to fall on deaf ears, so there's no point.

How many of the people casually giving opinions on them now or then actually watched Tau or Olympiakos games and are/were able to follow along? Me and how many others? Not many I'm sure.

I actually deleted about 40 Olympiakos games from one of my hard drives a month ago, I knew they were just wasted space, I had already watched them and I knew he wasn't going to ever be a Spur. I could have cut up the footage and made an hour long video cut with corresponding NBA footage to show exactly why I believed he was a player worth getting, and at points had even started the notes process to get it done.

But why bother? Most people will just believe what they want, like anything in life. And when they are presented with something contrary to what they want, they'll cling to whatever rumor on some website matches their worldview.

So it's fine.

Milutinov is gone. Not even sure he'll ever be a Net. Not because of his salary demands, but the constraints of only having a tax mle to give him a 3 year deal when the roster is so top heavy. He's not a 2nd rounder like Bertans, he can't bet on himself on a 2 year and get paid on the back end. Or accept the 1 year tender and really bet on himself like KJ McDaniels did with the 76ers.

[ace3g]

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Fred Katz FredKatz
(https://twitter.com/FredKatz) 34m (https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/1434263774178025474)
The Spurs are releasing Chandler Hutchison, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/). Hutchison’s salary is guaranteed for $4M in 2021-22. San Antonio acquired him as part of the five-team mega deal that sent Russell Westbrook to LA and Spencer Dinwiddie to DC.

[baseline bum]

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Fred Katz FredKatz
(https://twitter.com/FredKatz) 34m (https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/1434263774178025474)
The Spurs are releasing Chandler Hutchison, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/). Hutchison’s salary is guaranteed for $4M in 2021-22. San Antonio acquired him as part of the five-team mega deal that sent Russell Westbrook to LA and Spencer Dinwiddie to DC.

Damn that's an expensive second round pick

[Uriel]

Will look even worse when Milutinov becomes the next Luis Scola.

[Chinook]

Expected, but I wonder if that means SA wants to create a camp roster spot for a trade.

Probably just didn't want to bring him to camp/give him a chance to make the team and are releasing him now so they can sign a priority free agent for the Toros later.

[Maddog]

Expected, but I wonder if that means SA wants to create a camp roster spot for a trade.

Probably just didn't want to bring him to camp/give him a chance to make the team and are releasing him now so they can sign a priority free agent for the Toros later.

This and doing him a solid.
Letting him move on as opposed to coming to a camp with a very low prob of make the team

[John B]

I was expecting an update from his TikTok :lol

[Fusternino]

Probably too toxic to even bring to camp. Also it would seem to point towards Aminu not failing his physical.

[BackHome]

The thing that I hate is that a lot of people were saying - Don’t bring him over he sucks - he has no mid range game - he has no 3 ball - he is not the future NBA Center - He can only Gorilla dunk. But yet we sign Poodle who has No 3 ball - No Mid Range - And actually no offense - Even his dunks are wimpy and yet now everyone is OK with that I don’t understand?

[spurraider21]

The thing that I hate is that a lot of people were saying - Don’t bring him over he sucks - he has no mid range game - he has no 3 ball - he is not the future NBA Center - He can only Gorilla dunk. But yet we sign Poodle who has No 3 ball - No Mid Range - And actually no offense - Even his dunks are wimpy and yet now everyone is OK with that I don’t understand?
poeltl is a much better NBA defender than milutinov can ever dream of. and its true that milutinov isnt an NBA player and all he can do is gorilla dunk against smaller euros

[Dex]

Spurs trying to give away Hutchison: "Hey, you want the rest of of these cold nachos?"

Rest of NBA: "Nah, I'm good bro"

[John B]

The thing that I hate is that a lot of people were saying - Don’t bring him over he sucks - he has no mid range game - he has no 3 ball - he is not the future NBA Center - He can only Gorilla dunk. But yet we sign Poodle who has No 3 ball - No Mid Range - And actually no offense - Even his dunks are wimpy and yet now everyone is OK with that I don’t understand?

“Everyone” is not really accurate :lol

[CGD]

Damn that's an expensive second round pick

At first glance yes, but seems like market for a high second rounder these days, no?

[exstatic]

Damn that's an expensive second round pick

Depends where in the second round. 31-40, it’s fine, and it’s the Wizards pick, so, probably in that range.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Depends where in the second round. 31-40, it’s fine, and it’s the Wizards pick, so, probably in that range.

It's the Detroit pick - so even better.

[exstatic]

It's the Detroit pick - so even better.

Even better. Someone sold a second rounder a day to two before the draft for like $3-4M, so this isn’t out of line.

[DPG21920]

And who cares about the cost lol?! I love that Sa is willing to spend money to buy picks - that’s an incredible sign for fans honestly. Especially because it has no long term cap ramifications either. It’s a great move

[Sugus]

And who cares about the cost lol?! I love that Sa is willing to spend money to buy picks - that’s an incredible sign for fans honestly. Especially because it has no long term cap ramifications either. It’s a great move

The Dude being positive about a FO move?! Pinch me, babe, I'm surely dreaming....

[DPG21920]

The Dude being positive about a FO move?! Pinch me, babe, I'm surely dreaming....

Fair is fair!

[cjw]

Even better. Someone sold a second rounder a day to two before the draft for like $3-4M, so this isn’t out of line.

And this lets the Spurs use cash in another deal if they want to. Cannot send more than a certain amount of cash out in a given year.

[lmbebo]

Did phoenix suns tweet out that they signed him?

https://twitter.com/Suns/status/1435339698990313475?s=20

[Chinook]

This has a couple of angles in a hypothetical Young-to-Phoenix trade.

The Spurs were trying to include Hutch the deal and then cut him when no deal materialized. In this scenario, they aren't going to trade Young to Phoneix (maybe because they have another Young trade or are deciding to keep him).

Or the Spurs are basically eating most of Chandlers' salary in order to get more value out of the Suns in the deal. It's not likely, since the Spurs could probably just give Phoenix cash in that case and let the Suns preserve Chandler's Bird rights and RFA status.

I do think this is significant, though it might not end up mattering much to what happens next. The Suns wanting two players from the Spurs but SA not getting a trade done will be something to look into over the next few weeks.

[TD 21]

^ Young and Hutchison for Saric and Smith (and a protected '24 1st) wouldn't have worked financially.