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j-6
11-22-2005, 06:40 PM
With no stadium deal, Marlins to explore move
Associated Press

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2233531

MIAMI -- The Florida Marlins will look into relocation as early as the 2008 season, after years of unsuccessful attempts to secure a baseball-only stadium in downtown Miami.

Marlins president David Samson said Tuesday the team has received permission from the commissioner's office to investigate its options in other cities. Samson added owner Jeffrey Loria's primary intention is to keep the team in South Florida, but added that no deal will be struck for a ballpark in Miami.

"No longer can baseball in South Florida be assured," Loria said in a statement read by Samson. "It is now clear to us that there will be no baseball stadium in the city of Miami. So we must begin to explore other options. Therefore, we will expand our search beyond the city of Miami."

Loria was in Europe and unavailable for further comment.

The Marlins' lease with Dolphins Stadium -- owned by former Marlins owner H. Wayne Huizenga -- is in effect until 2007. The team has a series of one-year options that could keep it there through the 2010 season. Samson said the team will not extend its current lease at Dolphins Stadium under any circumstances.

"We simply must play in a baseball-only facility," Samson said.

Samson wouldn't get into specifics of any trades, but said there would be an immediate "significant market correction" to the team's payroll, which was $60 million at the start of last season.

He said several trades are being considered, but cautioned against calling the moves a "fire sale" like the one that occurred following Florida's 1997 World Series championship. The Marlins won only 54 games the next season.

"That's not what this is," Samson said. "This is a deliberate effort by the Marlins to correct what ails them. And what ails us is the amount of money lost."

Samson said some cities have called the Marlins to discuss possibilities, including Portland, Ore., which moved quickly after Tuesday's announcement. Portland also wooed the Montreal Expos before they became the Washington Nationals.

"We made an introductory phone call," said Drew Mahalic, chief executive of the Oregon Sports Authority. "Hopefully this opens a dialogue with Portland and the state of Oregon as far as the advantages of relocating a team here."

The team has lobbied for its own stadium since Huizenga, the original owner, sold the team to John Henry in 1999. The team's latest ballpark plan, 38,000-seat stadium with a retractable roof that would be built next to Miami's Orange Bowl, came apart this spring.

Gov. Jeb Bush said he hopes the team remains in South Florida. "I'm more than happy to work with the ownership of the team and the Florida Legislature to come up with a solution," Bush said.

The ballpark had an estimated cost of $420 million to $435 million, and the financing plan included $60 million in state funding. While money was approved in April by the Florida House, the state Senate refused to go along.

Then, South Florida government officials and the team didn't meet a June 9 deadline established by Bob DuPuy, baseball's chief operating officer, for a detailed update on the funding plans.

Miami Mayor Manny Diaz didn't immediately return messages seeking comment. Miami-Dade County Mayor Carlos Alvarez said he will "continue to be supportive of the team's efforts to build a stadium in South Florida."

Meanwhile, the Marlins appeared to have begun paring payroll. The Red Sox and Marlins reached a preliminary agreement Monday night on a trade that would send pitcher Josh Beckett -- the MVP of Florida's 2003 World Series championship -- and third baseman Mike Lowell to Boston for three prospects. The trade wasn't finalized because physicals were pending, according to a baseball official who requested anonymity.

The 25-year-old Beckett, eligible for salary arbitration, is expected to earn between $4 million and $5 million next year and can become a free agent after the 2007 season. Lowell, 31, is owed $9 million each of the next two seasons.

Samson did not specify how much the Marlins planned to slice from payroll for 2006, other than saying that it would match the team's revenue. The Marlins have said they've lost $20 million annually in recent years.

"The fiscal insanity that Jeffrey was willing to be a part of for all these years is over," Samson said. "We've been asked time and time again, when does it end? And today is that day."

dknights411
11-22-2005, 11:26 PM
Keep in mind Loria was once the owner of the Expos. Ironic, huh?

Das Texan
11-23-2005, 01:52 AM
ya has nothing to do with loria losing a shit load of money or the fact that the entire miami market is a fucking piece of shit.

Extra Stout
11-23-2005, 09:55 AM
That team has delivered two World Series titles, yet still gets no support.

Miami simply is not a baseball town.

So where do they go? Portland or Las Vegas?

j-6
11-23-2005, 10:37 AM
That team has delivered two World Series titles, yet still gets no support.

Miami simply is not a baseball town.

So where do they go? Portland or Las Vegas?

I thought that one of the conditions for expansion in the 90's for Miami-Dade County was that the ownership (Huizenga?) was to build a baseball-specific facility.

Since they didn't, I'll take Vegas as the primary choice. And if that proves successful, Sin City will have a team from every major sport within ten years. I have a hard time believing that the NHL isn't there already.

Extra Stout
11-23-2005, 10:44 AM
I thought that one of the conditions for expansion in the 90's for Miami-Dade County was that the ownership (Huizenga?) was to build a baseball-specific facility.

Since they didn't, I'll take Vegas as the primary choice. And if that proves successful, Sin City will have a team from every major sport within ten years. I have a hard time believing that the NHL isn't there already.

Vegas obviously has a lot of money, but their TV market is really small because there's nothing around there in southern Nevada.

You're right that within 10 years that will be much less of an issue.

Right now, Portland seems to be a lot better organized to get a team.

j-6
11-23-2005, 11:02 AM
Baseball is a really tough sell because of 81 home dates to fill. I literally live three minutes away from Ameriquest Field and the damn place never sells out, unless the Yankees are in town. Combine that with a very baseball-unfriendly stadium like whatever the hell Joe Robbie is called these days and all the other fun stuff to do in Miami and I can see why fans aren't watching the Marlins.

Das Texan
11-23-2005, 11:52 AM
i'd love to explore the carolinas for my team.

Das Texan
11-23-2005, 11:53 AM
Baseball is a really tough sell because of 81 home dates to fill. I literally live three minutes away from Ameriquest Field and the damn place never sells out, unless the Yankees are in town. Combine that with a very baseball-unfriendly stadium like whatever the hell Joe Robbie is called these days and all the other fun stuff to do in Miami and I can see why fans aren't watching the Marlins.


also because miami is the biggest front running town in the history of sports.


its not about selling out every day. the marlins were 28th in the league in attendance. And they finished over .500 and were in the playoff race into September.

samikeyp
11-23-2005, 12:44 PM
Vegas baby! :)