Where are you on the Political Spectrum? From -10 to +10

[Millennial_Messiah]

-10 = farthest left = diehard Communist, Leninist, Stalinist, ANTIFA Marxist, etc

-7 = Bernie, AOC, Squad types etc

-4 = Schumer, Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Biden, Clintons etc

-1 = Manchin, Sinema, Heitkamp, very center left etc

0 = Dead center

+1 = Romney, Collins, Murkowski, very center right etc

+4 = Bush's, Reagan, McCain, McConnell, Pence, Haley, etc

+7 = MAGA category

+10 = full fledged QAnon, pro-fascist, arguably Hitler supporter, etc


Any number not stated is fine as well....

Where are you?

I'd say I am about a +5 to a +6, tbh.

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Solid +7.

[pgardn]

Biden Obama and Clintons -4? Try +1 at the very least to the right on a number line.
Your assignments ONLY reflect political affiliation, not true political ideas.

Are you fkn insane?
Your number assignments show this was made by a Trumptard.

[Frenchfred]

I would be a -4. MAGA supporters are closer to +8 or +9.

[pgardn]

I would be a -4. MAGA supporters are closer to +8 or +9.

Then you are really a +1 based on half the examples given.
There is a relativity feature in this number assignment that can be totally wacked depending on the politics of the creator of the number line.

[Frenchfred]

Then you are really a +1 based on half the examples given.
There is a relativity feature in this number assignment that can be totally wacked depending on the politics of the creator of the number line.

Personally, I'm in favor of public schools and universal healthcare. I think that small businesses should be helped but I think that big corporations and rich people should contribute way more. I'm for a legal immigration and not in favor of rewarding those who cheated to enter. I'm not pro-gun. I'm for gay marriage, woman's right to choose but I don't like the woke and cancel culture.

[pgardn]

Personally, I'm in favor of public schools and universal healthcare. I think that small businesses should be helped but I think that big corporations and rich people should contribute way more. I'm for a legal immigration and not in favor of rewarding those who cheated to enter. I'm not pro-gun. I'm for gay marriage, woman's right to choose but I don't like the woke and cancel culture.

The bolded removes you from Biden, Clinton and Obama in practice imo.
So you would be in the negative region in a number line made by my relative scale. (which I choose not to put up because these things have gigantic holes in them, again, imo.

You would NOT be Joe Manchin.

[Frenchfred]

The bolded removes you from Biden, Clinton and Obama in practice imo.
So you would be in the negative region in a number line made by my relative scale. (which I choose not to put up because these things have gigantic holes in them, again, imo.

You would NOT be Joe Manchin.

I believe that the Scandinavian systems are the best and all the metrics show that: better human development index, low crime, better education and healthcare, decent salaries...

[pgardn]

I believe that the Scandinavian systems are the best and all the metrics show that: better human development index, low crime, better education and healthcare, decent salaries...

Then on Koriwhat's scale you are a communist.

[Frenchfred]

Then on Koriwhat's scale you are a communist.

republicans don't even know what socialism is, let alone communism

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republicans don't even know what socialism is, let alone communism

Since time immemorial just people who have nothing and want to share it.

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Biggest thing on my mind is climate change. That's -12 for me. Health care for all is -10. Tax the filthy rich cause they pay zero taxes right now -10. Gun reform is good but its never going to change ever. Abortion should be easy to do -8. Calling a biological guy a she is a +7. +7 with homeless people.

I'm sure that peanut of yours can score the weight, Titan.

[Winehole23]

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[SnakeBoy]

America First

So pretty much dead center

[DarrinS]

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Everyone hates leftists. Including leftists. :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Personally, I'm in favor of public schools and universal healthcare. I think that small businesses should be helped but I think that big corporations and rich people should contribute way more. I'm for a legal immigration and not in favor of rewarding those who cheated to enter. I'm not pro-gun. I'm for gay marriage, woman's right to choose but I don't like the woke and cancel culture.

I'm with you on green

I'm against you on red


I believe that the Scandinavian systems are the best and all the metrics show that: better human development index, low crime, better education and healthcare, decent salaries...

While true in theory, the issue is that they are smaller countries with small capita, also a mostly homogeneous ethnic population... you just can't apply that to the modern U.S.A...

[Millennial_Messiah]

Biggest thing on my mind is climate change. That's -12 for me. Health care for all is -10. Tax the filthy rich cause they pay zero taxes right now -10. Gun reform is good but its never going to change ever. Abortion should be easy to do -8. Calling a biological guy a she is a +7. +7 with homeless people.

that's where you're just too indoctrinated... climate change, especially human-induced part, is so minor it's microscopic. 2 degrees Celsius over 120 years... :lol. And only a small fraction of that attributed to factories, greenhouse gases etc. Majority attributed to PDO, AMO, ENSO multi-decadal natural cycles.

I'm a +2 on climate change... I do believe in recycling, high-tech industry reducing pollution to almost nil, I drive a hybrid car, etc. I am against deforestation. But I am vehemently against government intrusion on freedoms in order to enforce green policy. And as long as I'm in Texas or a southern state, the AC is going to be on full blast, like it or leave it. If I'm in say Michigan I probably don't use nearly as much heat in winter as most people, I like it cool. But you also need some AC up there in the summer time, especially at night.

Health care for all (US Citizens ONLY) -10, absolutely. maybe -8. The greedy insurance companies and pharma are a huge problem.

Tax the filthy rich, including and especially BIG TECH (which the Left seems to always give a pass because of their donations) is definitely a -8 to -10 for me. If and only if the Apple's, Facebook's, Twitter's, Google's, and Amazon's of the world are included.

Gun reform... nope. +9. Don't fuckin' tread on me.

Abortion.... -9. All the way until the baby is 100% viable, without an incubator, outside the mother's womb.

Gay marriage... -5. I am for any two people to get married but I also believe there needs to be marriage reform (not just gay/lesbian but all marriages) to where people can't reap tax benefits until they have been married at least 3 years, people cannot get green cards by marriage for at least 10 years, and people can't reap marital tax benefits after divorce from their first marriage for at least 7 years, regardless of when they get married again.

+10 with the homeless, deport them if they're illegal, incarcerate them if they're citizens.

+10 with illegal immigration. Deport, no excuses, deport, deport, deport.

+9 on trans athletes choosing their sex in sports, etc. There should be a third category, gender "X"... for anyone who wishes to be anything that is not their gender on their original birth certificate.

-7 on stem cell research

+10 on enforcing IDs / proof of US Citizenship and State / District residency in voting.

[spurraider21]

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:lol tbh... though in america those "lefists" are a handful of names on social media. not really represented in government in a meaningful way.

[spurraider21]

Everyone hates leftists. Including leftists. :lol
it sounds bizarre... but if you ever stumble across leftists (ie actual socialists) on social media, its a truly self cannibalizing group. none actually prominent in government, its really an online thing only in the US

[Frenchfred]

I'm with you on green

I'm against you on red



While true in theory, the issue is that they are smaller countries with small capita, also a mostly homogeneous ethnic population... you just can't apply that to the modern U.S.A...

The idea that the size of the country matters doesn't hold. It doesn't matter how big a country is to implement public schools, universal healthcare, tax the rich and big corporations, implement, social programs to minimize poverty...The main difficulty for large countries is a unified infrastructure (trains, broadband, energy...) and even that can be treated locally.

[Millennial_Messiah]

The idea that the size of the country matters doesn't hold. It doesn't matter how big a country is to implement public schools, universal healthcare, tax the rich and big corporations, implement, social programs to minimize poverty...The main difficulty for large countries is a unified infrastructure (trains, broadband, energy...) and even that can be treated locally.

We already have public schools and they're a problem. Indoctrination, districts teaching kids to rebel against their parents, definitely a left leaning culture. You're almost a jew in 1942 3rd Reich Germany if you're a Republican teacher. Privatize the school system, if they were all private then tuition would be much lower than private schools of today due to competition. Public schools are toxic.

Universal / subsidized healthcare I 100% agree with you on and there is definitely a big sore thumb reason why Americans only live to about 80 on average while in Scandinavia they live to 87-89 on average.

The first step in taxing the rich involves getting rid of tax breaks, which the Democrats seem to love to keep in the tax code to benefit the Amazon's and Facebook's of the world. They pay zero net taxes after all the bogus tax breaks. They are the ones who should be footing the highest tax bills of all, not the middle and upper middle class.


The whole world's scientists know how bad global warming is. You don't know enough man. :lol

Again, you're too indoctrinated there. You buy too hard into source A and zone out source B as "misinformation". There are definitely two sides and there is definitely a micro but real amount of man made climate change, which is being neutralized by advancements in technology. The whole AOC "the world is going to end in 12 years unless we stop using ACs and heaters and eating hamburgers" is a load of bullcrap.

[Frenchfred]

that's where you're just too indoctrinated... climate change, especially human-induced part, is so minor it's microscopic. 2 degrees Celsius over 120 years... :lol. And only a small fraction of that attributed to factories, greenhouse gases etc. Majority attributed to PDO, AMO, ENSO multi-decadal natural cycles.

I'm a +2 on climate change... I do believe in recycling, high-tech industry reducing pollution to almost nil, I drive a hybrid car, etc. I am against deforestation. But I am vehemently against government intrusion on freedoms in order to enforce green policy. And as long as I'm in Texas or a southern state, the AC is going to be on full blast, like it or leave it. If I'm in say Michigan I probably don't use nearly as much heat in winter as most people, I like it cool. But you also need some AC up there in the summer time, especially at night.

Health care for all (US Citizens ONLY) -10, absolutely. maybe -8. The greedy insurance companies and pharma are a huge problem.

Tax the filthy rich, including and especially BIG TECH (which the Left seems to always give a pass because of their donations) is definitely a -8 to -10 for me. If and only if the Apple's, Facebook's, Twitter's, Google's, and Amazon's of the world are included.

Gun reform... nope. +9. Don't fuckin' tread on me.

Abortion.... -9. All the way until the baby is 100% viable, without an incubator, outside the mother's womb.

Gay marriage... -5. I am for any two people to get married but I also believe there needs to be marriage reform (not just gay/lesbian but all marriages) to where people can't reap tax benefits until they have been married at least 3 years, people cannot get green cards by marriage for at least 10 years, and people can't reap marital tax benefits after divorce from their first marriage for at least 7 years, regardless of when they get married again.

+10 with the homeless, deport them if they're illegal, incarcerate them if they're citizens.

+10 with illegal immigration. Deport, no excuses, deport, deport, deport.

+9 on trans athletes choosing their sex in sports, etc. There should be a third category, gender "X"... for anyone who wishes to be anything that is not their gender on their original birth certificate.

-7 on stem cell research

+10 on enforcing IDs / proof of US Citizenship and State / District residency in voting.

it is mind blowing to me that some people still believe that human activity has little impact on our climate. What is your education? Tell that you have at least a higher degree in science (minimum master)?

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Everyone hates leftists. Including leftists. :lol

Tell it, Darrin.

Testify!!!

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Tell it thread.

Don't try charmin' me. I ain't in a charmin' mood.

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it is mind blowing to me that some people still believe that human activity has little impact on our climate. What is your education? Tell that you have at least a higher degree in science (minimum master)?

Because you politicized it from day one.

[Millennial_Messiah]

it is mind blowing to me that some people still believe that human activity has little impact on our climate. What is your education? Tell that you have at least a higher degree in science (minimum master)?

BBA in Information Technology Decision Science, University of North Texas (in-person)
MBA in Translational Data Analytics, Ohio State University (primarily online)

my main focus in academia was always statistics, but I did have courses in science-major biology and chemistry along the way. And I've studied meteorology pretty intensely since 2004, around the time of Hurricane Ivan as a kid. So I know a thing or two.

[Millennial_Messiah]

None of that says scientist. I'm an engineer.:lol

Well, you're definitely a blue-pilled one. I had left-wing instructors too, as well as centrists and a couple right of center. My lowest grade average was a 94.5. Good for you. Have a nice day.

[Winehole23]

America First

So pretty much dead centerAmerica Firsters have always been fash

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[Frenchfred]

BBA in Information Technology Decision Science, University of North Texas (in-person)
MBA in Translational Data Analytics, Ohio State University (primarily online)

my main focus in academia was always statistics, but I did have courses in science-major biology and chemistry along the way. And I've studied meteorology pretty intensely since 2004, around the time of Hurricane Ivan as a kid. So I know a thing or two.

then I really don't understand. I have a PhD and I have read extensively on the subject and I don't understand your position

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then I really don't understand. I have a PhD and I have read extensively on the subject and I don't understand your position

Thru the mail doesn't count, freddy, you free loader, you.

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America Firsters have always been fash

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What'd you expect Germany/Germans to do after the war to end all wars ended? You starved 'em out for 20 years prompting another war.

[Frenchfred]

Tell it thread.

he is still answering me ? :lol poor little thing

[Thread]

he is still answering me ? :lol poor little thing

Well, you prompted me.

[Frenchfred]

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[pgardn]

that's where you're just too indoctrinated... climate change, especially human-induced part, is so minor it's microscopic. 2 degrees Celsius over 120 years... :lol. And only a small fraction of that attributed to factories, greenhouse gases etc. Majority attributed to PDO, AMO, ENSO multi-decadal natural cycles.

.


Well, you're definitely a blue-pilled one. I had left-wing instructors too, as well as centrists and a couple right of center. My lowest grade average was a 94.5. Good for you. Have a nice day.

You have absolutely no number sense and dont know what time is.

So your lowest grade average was on a scale that considered 1000 an A+ ?
Good for you.

Really wtf is wrong with you with your inability to understand the significance of the amount of change is such a short period of time. Do you have any idea what the effects on OCEANS this has not just the land? We have now assured we will be a very short time species if population growth and this kind of temp change in such a short period and that this is accelerating.
Im looking at this on a scale of what photosynthetic organisms did once the oceans and land maxed out on all the oxides they could produce and free O2 started building up in the atmosphere wiping out all but the most buried in mud under the ocean anaerobes. We solved acid rain (red team was against it); we solved the high ozone depletion problem (red team considered the immediate cost and said its not a problem) and now we are putting too much CO2 and methane in the atmosphere. No volcano and group of volcanoes ever did anything like we have done. Ahhh not to worry. This one is not an easy fix so let her go.

But for the present... This is costing the entire planet so much $. I thought the red team was cognizant of long term problems for humans. But apparently its make a buck anyway you can in your lifetime and then die. "Fck those kids and grand kids. I will be dead."

[pgardn]

What'd you expect Germany/Germans to do after the war to end all wars ended? You starved 'em out for 20 years prompting another war.

So we should have just obliterated them like we did in WWII and then no problem.
The allies really punished Nazi Germany. Many more people were killed in the fire bombing than by atomic weapons.
We literally punitively punished Germany AND Japan. It was much more than just winning. It was extreme punishment. Thats what you wanted for WWI?

Got it.

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So we should have just obliterated them like we did in WWII and then no problem.
The allies really punished Nazi Germany. Many more people were killed in the fire bombing than by atomic weapons.
We literally punitively punished Germany AND Japan. It was much more than just winning. It was extreme punishment. Thats what you wanted for WWI?

Got it.

We also rebuilt Japan, from the ground up. We forgave Germany and Japan and to this day don't require their children to go to the slaughter(s), just ours.

[Spurtacular]

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[daslicer]

On healthcare I'm definitely a -10. I'm for universal healthcare. No one should have to deal with a situation that can cause them to file for bankruptcy due to an unforeseen illness. In a lot of cases it still doesn't function properly even after people pay their deductibles considering there is still hidden expenses that can come up out of nowhere. The current healthcare system is too expensive and is a ponzi scheme.

On Taxes I'm a -10. This will surprise people but I actually would just like to see the rich pay their taxes instead of finding loopholes in which they pay next to nothing. I don't believe hiring their taxes is the answer because of the loopholes they will still get out of it. So for me it's about just enforcing them to pay around 28-30 percent tax margin instead of them paying at the 0.5-1 percent tax rate they are doing right now because of the loopholes in the tax system. I would also like to see a similar crackdown on these ultra wealthy corporations that make trillions but are able to get out of paying taxes by either making up debt that doesn't exist or stashing the money overseas.

On student loans-college I'm a -10. I have all my student loans paid off but I still don't believe people should go through it. It's fucked up system that forces a lot of people to be indentured servants for a long period of time or for their whole entire life. Some people will scream and say well they shouldn't have gone to college and my response to that is it's very hard now to get middle class jobs without having a college degree. Most people can't go to college and find a way to make a decent living. Yes they are some who become entrepreneurs but a lot fail.

I do believe that there needs to be way to make college affordable. I hear too many stories from boomers about how when they went to college they were able to work summer jobs and just pay off their tuition going that route. I even hear the same type of stories from some early X-ers of how they didn't have to take student loans.

When it comes to racial,gender, and social issues I'm a 0. I'm not into promoting hate but I'm not into these hardcore leftist movements and neither am I into the hardcore right wing movements. I feel both Left and Right movements on social issues are very extreme and divisive. These issues in general are not important to me like the ones I mentioned above. I always feel both parties use these social issues to distract people from actually going after them and holding them accountable.

Military Spending -7 I despise the MIC. I feel it's the biggest waste of money. With that being said I do believe a certain amount of money has to be spent on the military but not as much as we are spending right now. I think we spend 10 times more than China which is the second highest spender in the world on Military spending.

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Tell it, Spurts.

Testify!!!

[pgardn]

We also rebuilt Japan, from the ground up. We forgave Germany and Japan and to this day don't require their children to go to the slaughter(s), just ours.

Yeah that was very easy.
They had absolutely no choice. They were utterly defeated. Not a pause like WWI.
Both countries could not, and did not make weapons of war after WWII.
We told them how it would be. Not after WWI. We did not occupy their land and loom over their factories.

So you dont think the same game could have been played if we had not turned Germany into a wasteland during WWI?

[RandomGuy]

-10 = farthest left = diehard Communist, Leninist, Stalinist, ANTIFA Marxist, etc

-7 = Bernie, AOC, Squad types etc

-4 = Schumer, Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Biden, Clintons etc

-1 = Manchin, Sinema, Heitkamp, very center left etc

0 = Dead center

+1 = Romney, Collins, Murkowski, very center right etc

+4 = Bush's, Reagan, McCain, McConnell, Pence, Haley, etc

+7 = MAGA category

+10 = full fledged QAnon, pro-fascist, arguably Hitler supporter, etc


Any number not stated is fine as well....

Where are you?

I'd say I am about a +5 to a +6, tbh.

Translation:

"I have no idea what the Overton Window is."

:lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

On healthcare I'm definitely a -10. I'm for universal healthcare. No one should have to deal with a situation that can cause them to file for bankruptcy due to an unforeseen illness. In a lot of cases it still doesn't function properly even after people pay their deductibles considering there is still hidden expenses that can come up out of nowhere. The current healthcare system is too expensive and is a ponzi scheme.

On Taxes I'm a -10. This will surprise people but I actually would just like to see the rich pay their taxes instead of finding loopholes in which they pay next to nothing. I don't believe hiring their taxes is the answer because of the loopholes they will still get out of it. So for me it's about just enforcing them to pay around 28-30 percent tax margin instead of them paying at the 0.5-1 percent tax rate they are doing right now because of the loopholes in the tax system. I would also like to see a similar crackdown on these ultra wealthy corporations that make trillions but are able to get out of paying taxes by either making up debt that doesn't exist or stashing the money overseas.

On student loans-college I'm a -10. I have all my student loans paid off but I still don't believe people should go through it. It's fucked up system that forces a lot of people to be indentured servants for a long period of time or for their whole entire life. Some people will scream and say well they shouldn't have gone to college and my response to that is it's very hard now to get middle class jobs without having a college degree. Most people can't go to college and find a way to make a decent living. Yes they are some who become entrepreneurs but a lot fail.

I do believe that there needs to be way to make college affordable. I hear too many stories from boomers about how when they went to college they were able to work summer jobs and just pay off their tuition going that route. I even hear the same type of stories from some early X-ers of how they didn't have to take student loans.

When it comes to racial,gender, and social issues I'm a 0. I'm not into promoting hate but I'm into these hardcore leftist movements and neither am I into the hardcore right wing movements. I feel both Left and Right movements on social issues are very extreme and divisive. These issues in general are not important to me like the ones I mentioned above. I always feel both parties use these social issues to distract people from actually going after them and holding them accountable.

Military Spending -7 I despise the MIC. I feel it's the biggest waste of money. With that being said I do believe a certain amount of money has to be spent on the military but not as much as we are spending right now. I think we spend 10 times more than China which is the second highest spender in the world on Military spending.

That's exactly how I feel. No tax hikes, just force the Amazon's, Google's, Facebook's, Twitter's, etc of the world to pay their 35-38% over a million dollars as per their tax bracket, and just eliminating the loopholes would be the easiest way to increase tax revenue and balance the budget.

Absolutely zero tax hikes for the middle class, up to say $500k/year.

[RandomGuy]

On healthcare I'm definitely a -10. I'm for universal healthcare. No one should have to deal with a situation that can cause them to file for bankruptcy due to an unforeseen illness. In a lot of cases it still doesn't function properly even after people pay their deductibles considering there is still hidden expenses that can come up out of nowhere. The current healthcare system is too expensive and is a ponzi scheme.

On Taxes I'm a -10. This will surprise people but I actually would just like to see the rich pay their taxes instead of finding loopholes in which they pay next to nothing. I don't believe hiring their taxes is the answer because of the loopholes they will still get out of it. So for me it's about just enforcing them to pay around 28-30 percent tax margin instead of them paying at the 0.5-1 percent tax rate they are doing right now because of the loopholes in the tax system. I would also like to see a similar crackdown on these ultra wealthy corporations that make trillions but are able to get out of paying taxes by either making up debt that doesn't exist or stashing the money overseas.

On student loans-college I'm a -10. I have all my student loans paid off but I still don't believe people should go through it. It's fucked up system that forces a lot of people to be indentured servants for a long period of time or for their whole entire life. Some people will scream and say well they shouldn't have gone to college and my response to that is it's very hard now to get middle class jobs without having a college degree. Most people can't go to college and find a way to make a decent living. Yes they are some who become entrepreneurs but a lot fail.

I do believe that there needs to be way to make college affordable. I hear too many stories from boomers about how when they went to college they were able to work summer jobs and just pay off their tuition going that route. I even hear the same type of stories from some early X-ers of how they didn't have to take student loans.

When it comes to racial,gender, and social issues I'm a 0. I'm not into promoting hate but I'm not into these hardcore leftist movements and neither am I into the hardcore right wing movements. I feel both Left and Right movements on social issues are very extreme and divisive. These issues in general are not important to me like the ones I mentioned above. I always feel both parties use these social issues to distract people from actually going after them and holding them accountable.

Military Spending -7 I despise the MIC. I feel it's the biggest waste of money. With that being said I do believe a certain amount of money has to be spent on the military but not as much as we are spending right now. I think we spend 10 times more than China which is the second highest spender in the world on Military spending.

E4CI2vk3ugk

You may find that interesting. The philosophical DNA of what passes for modern conservatism have their ultimate origins in the anti-democratic, pro-monarchist arguments of the late 1700s.

There is a reason the modern right is so virulently anti-democratic.

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E4CI2vk3ugk

You may find that interesting. The philosophical DNA of what passes for modern conservatism have their ultimate origins in the anti-democratic, pro-monarchist arguments of the late 1700s.

There is a reason the modern right is so virulently anti-democratic.

Primarily because your side threatened to blow up President Trump on his First Day and then your side threatened to shoot President Trump to death on his Last Day, RG.

Let us proceed...

[Death In June]

that's where you're just too indoctrinated... climate change, especially human-induced part, is so minor it's microscopic. 2 degrees Celsius over 120 years... :lol. And only a small fraction of that attributed to factories, greenhouse gases etc. Majority attributed to PDO, AMO, ENSO multi-decadal natural cycles.

I'm a +2 on climate change... I do believe in recycling, high-tech industry reducing pollution to almost nil, I drive a hybrid car, etc. I am against deforestation. But I am vehemently against government intrusion on freedoms in order to enforce green policy. And as long as I'm in Texas or a southern state, the AC is going to be on full blast, like it or leave it. If I'm in say Michigan I probably don't use nearly as much heat in winter as most people, I like it cool. But you also need some AC up there in the summer time, especially at night. 97% of climate scientist disagree with you. Do you feel like you've successfully outsmarted and out researched 97% of the scientific consensus when it comes to human impact on greenhouse gas emissions? It's a convenient position because it's a position of denialism and so....nothing needs to change. But it's not reality. Most people on the planet will not be able to solve their climate problems by putting a new AC system on their credit cards. How do you think we are going to adapt to the people made homeless and jobless by increasingly intense and frequent natural disasters? We have until 2032 before we reach 1.5*C warming which is the first of two catastrophic warming thresholds (2*C is projected to happen between 2032 and 2050). How are we going to deal with climate refugees from places completely underwater? How do you deal with freshwater and food scarcity? The most likely answer is that the corporate seize for natural resources becomes more brutal and more violent. Arable land will be seized to provide food for wealthier nations. You'll have heat stress wiping out entire farms and villages and those self sufficient residents will move into crowded slums. You'll get drought, famine, mass coral reef extinction (99%), fisheries collapsing, the disappearance of entire ecosystems of plants and animals. Youll have an increased intervention in foreign conflicts over water, oil, arable land. Storms, diseases, pestilence, wildfires, rising sea levels will cost us trillions of dollars and for what? So we could suck the dick of big oil? Why? Why simp for the most powerful industry on the planet to the line the pockets of the ultra rich at the cost of your own self preservation? The people in charge, the ones not in denial are knowingly pushing the gas on this thing and making more money while we all get fucked.

[RandomGuy]

that's where you're just too indoctrinated... climate change, especially human-induced part, is so minor it's microscopic. 2 degrees Celsius over 120 years... :lol. And only a small fraction of that attributed to factories, greenhouse gases etc. Majority attributed to PDO, AMO, ENSO multi-decadal natural cycles.

Translation:

"I don't under stand the topic"

Most of that is caused by humans, and most of that is CO2 forcing.

The evidence is pretty clear by now, and the people that study it are even more sure about it.


As of this writing, the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is 391 ppmv (Mauna Loa CO2 annual mean data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, 2010), a level not seen at any time in 800,000 years. Climatologists have identified no natural forcers that could account for this rapid and previously unseen rise in CO2
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2995507/

418 ppb as of today.

https://www.co2.earth/

[Dirks_Finale]

Not even sure how to measure it...

Conservative for the most part. But I also believe that the war on drugs is beyond stupid. In fact, they should legalize all of them. (and no, I am not a druggie :lol )

I'm also pro-life but that means, anti-capital punishment as well. It's hypocritical, IMO, to think it's ok to kill just so long as you do it outside the womb. And we have an imperfect justice system and innocent people have been put to death. That should alarm anyone.

I also tend to lean Libertarian on foreign policy. We should not be policing the world. It's comical to me how the entire MSM is piling on Biden right now for pulling out of Afghan when there are a whole host of other issues to be critical of with him. He actually got the issue correct, but the manner in which he did it and the optics were poor.

Pro 2nd amendment to a point, but would never own a AR-15, nor would I name my gun and put it in a glass case and worship it :lol. It's a necessary evil that only folks who have received proper training should own, imo.

I think Trump was a much stronger representation of conservatism than W was. All that said, it was just more deficits under him which is all we have seen since Clinton. The corporate tax rate should be 35-40% as the rich commonly hire great attorneys and duck and dodge their way out of paying their fair share.

In conservative circles you will catch hell for voicing this stuff, but I actually think that most of America is like this. Not falling under the cookie cutter of Democrat or Republican, but varying on a bunch of issues.



-10 = farthest left = diehard Communist, Leninist, Stalinist, ANTIFA Marxist, etc

-7 = Bernie, AOC, Squad types etc

-4 = Schumer, Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Biden, Clintons etc

-1 = Manchin, Sinema, Heitkamp, very center left etc

0 = Dead center

+1 = Romney, Collins, Murkowski, very center right etc

+4 = Bush's, Reagan, McCain, McConnell, Pence, Haley, etc

+7 = MAGA category

+10 = full fledged QAnon, pro-fascist, arguably Hitler supporter, etc


Any number not stated is fine as well....

Where are you?

I'd say I am about a +5 to a +6, tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I also tend to lean Libertarian on foreign policy. We should not be policing the world. It's comical to me how the entire MSM is piling on Biden right now for pulling out of Afghan when there are a whole host of other issues to be critical of with him. He actually got the issue correct, but the manner in which he did it and the optics were poor.

I think Trump was a much stronger representation of conservatism than W was. All that said, it was just more deficits under him which is all we have seen since Clinton. The corporate tax rate should be 35-40% as the rich commonly hire great attorneys and duck and dodge their way out of paying their fair share.

In conservative circles you will catch hell for voicing this stuff, but I actually think that most of America is like this. Not falling under the cookie cutter of Democrat or Republican, but varying on a bunch of issues.

I agree with this. I agree with the 35-40% upper corporate tax rate on wealthy corporations. However I think the loopholes and deductions should be abolished and the corporate taxes over say $1 million should be strictly enforced for the wealthy corporations, in particular BigTech - the biggest corporate tax fraudsters in the world today. Where Trump screwed up was by not forcing businesses to abide by the same tax laws he implemented on civilians in 2017-2018 that eliminated most deductions. Corporations, like people, should only get a standard deduction -OR- a minimal amount of itemized deductions up to a certain point. But for years an Amazon paying next to nothing in taxes because they're deducting 99% of their gross income, that is fraud and that is a microcosm of why we can't balance the budget.

Trump was a stronger representation of conservatism than W - in talk, more than in practice. He wasn't a war hawk like GWB, which was good. But he was just as bad as Obama or GWB in terms of spending (Biden has been the worst so far, though)... if I were running for president I'd run on getting that 27-30 trillion debt number to zero within three years at most. Through (a) strict enforcement of corporate tax and (b) sequestration, especially of foreign aid, military offensives and contracting, and entitlement spending.

Biden pulling out of Afghanistan would have been good if it was slow and piloted and we backed up the Afghan democracy government, not just throwing them to the wolves the way Biden did. I agree it was a war that needed to end but we didn't need to throw them to the wolves. My mom saw the footage last night of Afghan pro-American people trying to board the planes from Kabul to the USA and literally falling to their deaths from the sky... she was downright enraged and crying, telling me that (Biden) "deserves to be drawn-and-quartered with a horse" (sic) because of that blood on his hands. Even though they aren't Americans, they were supportive of the USA cause there in the past 20 years and Biden threw them to the wolves, just like Jimmy Carter threw our friends in Iran to the wolves in 1979. Between that and the economic policy, basically a stagflationary policy, Biden is becoming this generation's Jimmy Carter, and quickly.

[Dirks_Finale]

Yup I knew the Carter comparisons would come up as soon as I saw some of the video footage. He is viewed as a soft, one term President.

I don't even know if becoming debt free in one term is a viable possibility, but it is one hell of a sales pitch.


I agree with this. I agree with the 35-40% upper corporate tax rate on wealthy corporations. However I think the loopholes and deductions should be abolished and the corporate taxes over say $1 million should be strictly enforced for the wealthy corporations, in particular BigTech - the biggest corporate tax fraudsters in the world today. Where Trump screwed up was by not forcing businesses to abide by the same tax laws he implemented on civilians in 2017-2018 that eliminated most deductions. Corporations, like people, should only get a standard deduction -OR- a minimal amount of itemized deductions up to a certain point. But for years an Amazon paying next to nothing in taxes because they're deducting 99% of their gross income, that is fraud and that is a microcosm of why we can't balance the budget.

Trump was a stronger representation of conservatism than W - in talk, more than in practice. He wasn't a war hawk like GWB, which was good. But he was just as bad as Obama or GWB in terms of spending (Biden has been the worst so far, though)... if I were running for president I'd run on getting that 27-30 trillion debt number to zero within three years at most. Through (a) strict enforcement of corporate tax and (b) sequestration, especially of foreign aid, military offensives and contracting, and entitlement spending.

Biden pulling out of Afghanistan would have been good if it was slow and piloted and we backed up the Afghan democracy government, not just throwing them to the wolves the way Biden did. I agree it was a war that needed to end but we didn't need to throw them to the wolves. My mom saw the footage last night of Afghan pro-American people trying to board the planes from Kabul to the USA and literally falling to their deaths from the sky... she was downright enraged and crying, telling me that (Biden) "deserves to be drawn-and-quartered with a horse" (sic) because of that blood on his hands. Even though they aren't Americans, they were supportive of the USA cause there in the past 20 years and Biden threw them to the wolves, just like Jimmy Carter threw our friends in Iran to the wolves in 1979. Between that and the economic policy, basically a stagflationary policy, Biden is becoming this generation's Jimmy Carter, and quickly.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yup I knew the Carter comparisons would come up as soon as I saw some of the video footage. He is viewed as a soft, one term President.

I don't even know if becoming debt free in one term is a viable possibility, but it is one hell of a sales pitch.
As will Biden. But Biden won't live to Carter's ripe old age.

[Winehole23]

America First

So pretty much dead centerYour boy Nick Fuentes is blowing up AF, he just kicked his live in out for kissing a girl. Jaden says he used a blacklight to check his bedsheets for cum and tried to get him to watch Euphoria with him.

lol "dead center"

Tough times for Neo-Nazi incels.

1522867274134261765

[Winehole23]

or was this the America First you were talking about?

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/59097e84019dfc3494ea3d09/master/pass/Brody-TheFrighteningLessonsofPhilipRothsThePlotAgainstAm erica.jpg

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/4f13971aa3dddbd7edad60794c132e757fd07102/106_576_3343_2006/master/3343.jpg?width=1200&height=900&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&

[Winehole23]

https://www.floridamemory.com/fpc/foley/mf1017.jpg

[Millennial_Messiah]

Your boy Nick Fuentes is blowing up AF, he just kicked his live in out for kissing a girl. Jaden says he used a blacklight to check his bedsheets for cum and tried to get him to watch Euphoria with him.

lol "dead center"

Tough times for Neo-Nazi incels.

1522867274134261765

At least he didn't kiss a dude like y'all faggot fucks.

[Spurs Homer]

- 50

fuck the nazis to my right

[Winehole23]

At least he didn't kiss a dude like y'all faggot fucks.hmm...seems you're having difficulty reading between the lines

DFIORI2TAbQ

[Winehole23]

Fellas, is it gay to date a girl?


White nationalist livestreamer Nick Fuentes leaned on his homophobia as an excuse for why the young man is apparently having difficulty attracting women.

Fuentes discussed being an incel, or involuntary celibate, on his video podcast.

Fuentes complained about "people calling me gay because I've never had a girlfriend."

"I think if anything — if anything — it makes me less gay. If anything, it makes me not gay — as opposed to less gay, not that there's any gay, but it makes me not gay," he argued.

Fuentes went on to describe how he has never been in a romantic relationship or had sex with a woman, but is "more heterosexual than anybody."

"If we're really being honest, never having a girlfriend, never having sex with a woman, really makes you more heterosexual, because honestly, dating women is gay," he claimed. "And if you want to know the truth, the only really straight, heterosexual position is to be an asexual incel."

https://www.rawstory.com/nick-fuentes-gay/

[Winehole23]

aMericA first!

IF uR not inCel Ur gAY!