Will Parker and Manu make the 75 greatest of all time NBA list?

[daslicer]

The NBA is going to upgrade their old top 50 list to 75 greatest list. There will be 25 new slots added. It's safe to say Duncan is guaranteed to make the list. With that being said does Manu or Parker crack any of the slots?

[MultiTroll]

who creates the list? Not ABC / Disney / NBA / NBA sports Jowrnalists i hope.

[CGD]

The NBA is going to upgrade their old top 50 list to 75 greatest list. There will be 25 new slots added. It's safe to say Duncan is guaranteed to make the list. With that being said does Manu or Parker crack any of the slots?

Good question. I first want to find out if its 25 new people on top of the 50, or will some of the old 50 fall off to make room for more than 25.

[baseline bum]

I don't know, I think it would be tough:

Stone cold locks to be included in the next 25:

1. Duncan
2. Garnett
3. Bryant
4. James
5. Duant
6. Wade
7. Nowitzki
8. Iverson
9. Nash
10. Curry
11. Paul
12. Pierce
13. Kidd
14. Harden
15. Westbrook
16. Antetokuompo
17. Mourning
18. Leonard

Next 7 picks would probably be chosen from Manu, Tony, Carter, McGrady, Webber, Bosh, Gasol, Mutombo, Klay, Ray Allen, Davis, Melo, and Lillard.

Plus the NBA loves kissing China's ass so wouldn't surprise me to see Yao's broken down ass bump a more deserving player off the list.

[cd98]

Doubt Manu will make it. I'm not saying Parker was better, but he was more decorated with the type of accolades that sportswriters consider when they make such a list. But both are highly underrated so neither probably makes it.

[daslicer]

Good question. I first want to find out if its 25 new people on top of the 50, or will some of the old 50 fall off to make room for more than 25.

They are keeping the original top 50 list as it is and are just adding 25 new people to make it 75 greatest of all time.

[Spurs oman]

If its fair they both deserve to be .

Tony will make it since he was the first option in 2 nba championships.

Manu doubted since he is underatted

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I don't know, I think it would be tough:

Stone cold locks to be included in the next 25:

1. Duncan
2. Garnett
3. Bryant
4. James
5. Duant
6. Wade
7. Nowitzki
8. Iverson
9. Nash
10. Curry
11. Paul
12. Pierce
13. Kidd
14. Harden
15. Westbrook
16. Antetokuompo
17. Mourning
18. Leonard

Next 7 picks would probably be chosen from Manu, Tony, Carter, McGrady, Webber, Bosh, Gasol, Mutombo, Klay, Ray Allen, Davis, Melo, and Lillard.

Plus the NBA loves kissing China's ass so wouldn't surprise me to see Yao's broken down ass bump a more deserving player off the list.

Parker's NBA accolades probably put him ahead of Manu, deserving or not. I'm not expecting either to make the final cut. It depends on who's casting the votes I suppose, but for the most part the league is all to happy to write off the Spurs.

[TD 21]

Between the national media deciding post '14 that the "culture" and "system" that they mostly attribute to Pop, were the real stars of this operation and their disdain for the organization given how militiristic they are, I'd guess neither makes it.



I don't know, I think it would be tough:

Stone cold locks to be included in the next 25:

1. Duncan
2. Garnett
3. Bryant
4. James
5. Duant
6. Wade
7. Nowitzki
8. Iverson
9. Nash
10. Curry
11. Paul
12. Pierce
13. Kidd
14. Harden
15. Westbrook
16. Antetokuompo
17. Mourning
18. Leonard

Next 7 picks would probably be chosen from Manu, Tony, Carter, McGrady, Webber, Bosh, Gasol, Mutombo, Klay, Ray Allen, Davis, Melo, and Lillard.

Plus the NBA loves kissing China's ass so wouldn't surprise me to see Yao's broken down ass bump a more deserving player off the list.

Not sure how Mourning would be a lock, but Davis wouldn't be.



They are keeping the original top 50 list as it is and are just adding 25 new people to make it 75 greatest of all time.

75 Greatest Players in NBA History : nba (reddit.com) (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/p9rt7m/75_greatest_players_in_nba_history/?utm_source=BD&utm_medium=Search&utm_name=Bing&utm_content=PSR1)

[baseline bum]

Not sure how Mourning would be a lock, but Davis wouldn't be.


Mourning was a top MVP candidate for a while.

[exstatic]

When was the last list released?

[daslicer]

When was the last list released?
Start of the 96-97 season.

[slick'81]

Manu most def but parker? WHo knows?

[TD 21]

Mourning was a top MVP candidate for a while.

Davis has a strong argument for being as good or better than Scumbag, who people will pretend should be an automatic, but somehow he's not.

[KobesAchilles]

Manu isn’t even a top 200 nba player. Tony should be on the list tho

[Dex]

Manu most def but parker? WHo knows?

Disagree. We know both were great players, but Parker had more accolades. Bigger career scorer, more All-Stars, Finals MVP, 50-point game, etc.

Obviously Manu sacrificed a lot of that glory for the betterment of the team when he agreed to come off the bench for most of his career, and we got 4 rings out of it. Other than that, his biggest accomplishment is his gold medal but that's probably not going to count for an NBA list.

I'm not saying that Parker is or was the better player....but based on how the NBA tends to rank these things, I'm betting he will be put higher on an "all-time" list.

[Seventyniner]

Tony certainly had a better NBA career, while Manu had a far better career outside the NBA. Lists like this tend to put more weight on total counting stats too.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=parketo01&player_id2=ginobma01

Since this is an NBA-only list, I would expect Tony to be ahead of Manu in the pick order. I think Tony will make it, Manu is borderline.

[Robz4000]

Neither make it imo, though Parker should be on there by NBA accolades.

[MultiTroll]

"A blue-ribbon panel of media, current and former players, coaches, general managers, and team executives will select a new 75th Anniversary Team, featuring the 75 greatest players of all time. The team will be announced in October."

Wonder if we'll ever find out who this group is.
Seriously doubt it will be Spurs friendly.
Altho Pop has now become a mainstream darling. Ironically.

[Ocotillo]

oh yeah, the Team Tony v. Team Manu days....

[RC_Drunkford]

They are Spurs players, they won't make it. The argument will be well they were All-Star level 2nd and 3rd options for a few years. Then when the argument about Duncan's ranking is made they will say, but he had Parker and Manu. You know how it goes.

[gambit1990]

17. Mourning
:lol

they're putting melo over him. and over tony and manu.

[John B]

Manu is the better player (who happens to be my all time favorite player), but Tony has the better accolades. It’snot fair but Tony makes it, while Manu maybe top 100.

[daslicer]

They are Spurs players, they won't make it. The argument will be well they were All-Star level 2nd and 3rd options for a few years. Then when the argument about Duncan's ranking is made they will say, but he had Parker and Manu. You know how it goes.

That's why I find this entertaining when it comes to Duncan's legacy. Duncan is guaranteed to get in but we hear from the haters all the time when it comes to his all time rankings "He had Pop,Manu,Parker, blah blah and he was only good because of those guys." It will be interesting if both don't make it and still having this debate with the haters. Granted I do think both Manu/Parker should make it but it's going to be pretty borderline if they get in.

[PhantomDashCam]

Three of the all time greats at their respective positions.
Hard to see any of these "best of" lists containing one (Duncan), in a dominant, dynastic era of Spurs basketball; without logically including both Tony and Manu.

Like others have said, not sure the media sees it this way but their resumes speak for themself.

[daslicer]

Davis has a strong argument for being as good or better than Scumbag, who people will pretend should be an automatic, but somehow he's not.

I'm not going to lie but if Kawhi gets in I will vomit but there is unfortunately a high chance he will.

[daslicer]

"A blue-ribbon panel of media, current and former players, coaches, general managers, and team executives will select a new 75th Anniversary Team, featuring the 75 greatest players of all time. The team will be announced in October."

Wonder if we'll ever find out who this group is.
Seriously doubt it will be Spurs friendly.
Altho Pop has now become a mainstream darling. Ironically.

Players should not be allowed to vote. They tend to be the dumbest out of all the groups that can vote.

[MultiTroll]

Players should not be allowed to vote. They tend to be the dumbest out of all the groups that can vote.
Lebron will get J.R. Reid in. :lol

[CGD]

They are keeping the original top 50 list as it is and are just adding 25 new people to make it 75 greatest of all time.

That’s dumb. There are some in the top 50 that should be bumped out for sure

[CGD]

I don't know, I think it would be tough:

Stone cold locks to be included in the next 25:

1. Duncan
2. Garnett
3. Bryant
4. James
5. Duant
6. Wade
7. Nowitzki
8. Iverson
9. Nash
10. Curry
11. Paul
12. Pierce
13. Kidd
14. Harden
15. Westbrook
16. Antetokuompo
17. Mourning
18. Leonard

Next 7 picks would probably be chosen from Manu, Tony, Carter, McGrady, Webber, Bosh, Gasol, Mutombo, Klay, Ray Allen, Davis, Melo, and Lillard.

Plus the NBA loves kissing China's ass so wouldn't surprise me to see Yao's broken down ass bump a more deserving player off the list.

I never got the love for Pierce. If his career was in Minnesota no one would care as much. Lol at mourning, carter, t-Mac, Webber, Gasol, Dame, being over Tony and Manu

[Dex]

That's why I find this entertaining when it comes to Duncan's legacy. Duncan is guaranteed to get in but we hear from the haters all the time when it comes to his all time rankings "He had Pop,Manu,Parker, blah blah and he was only good because of those guys." It will be interesting if both don't make it and still having this debate with the haters. Granted I do think both Manu/Parker should make it but it's going to be pretty borderline if they get in.

It's a hollow argument in my opinion. Obviously winning has a large effect on overall legacy, and no players have won consistently at the highest level without help.

People who say that Tim had Tony/Manu also need to admit that Jordan had Pippen/Rodman, Kobe had Shaq/Pau/Odom, Lebron had Wade/Bosh/Allen or Irving/Love or Davis, Curry had Thompson/Durant, etc.

It's a tale as old as time...even the Lakers and Celtics of yore were loaded with Hall of Famers going up against teams full of guys nobody even remembers anymore.

There are obviously players who have had outstanding careers without always having the help around them...Iverson, McGrady, Aldridge, Lillard, etc. There are also great players that couldn't succeed consistently despite being on very talented teams like Barkley, Nash, or Harden.

The fact is...if you have rings, you're going to be rated higher than those who do not. And winning rings usually requires a good collection of talent as well as a little fortune.

[Drom John]

Basketball-Refererence WS regular season

Rank Player WS
1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 273.41
2. Wilt Chamberlain* 247.26
3. LeBron James 242.04
4. Karl Malone* 234.63
5. Michael Jordan* 214.02
6. John Stockton* 207.70
7. Tim Duncan* 206.38
8. Dirk Nowitzki 206.34
9. Kevin Garnett* 191.42
10. Artis Gilmore* 189.65
11. Chris Paul 189.54
12. Oscar Robertson* 189.21
13. Shaquille O'Neal* 181.71
14. Julius Erving* 181.11
15. Moses Malone* 179.15
16. David Robinson* 178.67
17. Charles Barkley* 177.21
18. Reggie Miller* 174.40
19. Kobe Bryant* 172.74
20. Bill Russell* 163.51
21. Hakeem Olajuwon* 162.77
22. Jerry West* 162.58
23. Dan Issel* 157.82
24. Magic Johnson* 155.79
25. Paul Pierce* 150.04
26. Robert Parish* 147.00
27. Kevin Durant 146.71
28. Larry Bird* 145.83
29. Gary Payton* 145.53
30. Ray Allen* 145.08
31. Pau Gasol 144.07
32. Dolph Schayes* 142.40
33. James Harden 141.99
34. Jason Kidd* 138.56
35. Dwight Howard 138.21
Rank Player WS
36. Bob Pettit* 136.05
37. Clyde Drexler* 135.57
38. Adrian Dantley* 134.22
39. John Havlicek* 131.72
40. Walt Bellamy* 130.05
41. Steve Nash* 129.73
42. Rick Barry* 128.94
43. Patrick Ewing* 126.45
44. Vince Carter 125.27
45. Scottie Pippen* 125.08
46. Shawn Marion 124.91
47. Chauncey Billups 120.78
48. Elvin Hayes* 120.76
49. Dwyane Wade 120.71
50. Buck Williams 120.09
51. Horace Grant 118.23
52. Dominique Wilkins* 117.47
53. Chet Walker* 117.35
54. Bob Lanier* 117.11
55. Dikembe Mutombo* 116.98
56. George Gervin* 116.28
57. Bailey Howell* 114.82
58. Walt Frazier* 113.54
59. Kevin McHale* 113.04
60. LaMarcus Aldridge 112.57
61. Jack Sikma* 112.46
62. Stephen Curry 112.25
63. Tony Parker 111.33
64. Terry Porter 110.39
65. Wes Unseld* 110.08
66. Elton Brand 109.63
67. Larry Nance 109.57
68. Detlef Schrempf 109.52
69. Jeff Hornacek 108.87
70. Paul Arizin* 108.80
Rank Player WS
71. George Mikan* 108.66
72. Manu Ginóbili 106.40
73. Otis Thorpe 106.39
74. Zelmo Beaty* 106.00
75. Chris Bosh* 106.00

[Drom John]

Basketball-Reference WS playoffs

1. LeBron James 55.68
2. Michael Jordan* 39.76
3. Tim Duncan* 37.84
4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 35.56
5. Magic Johnson* 32.63
6. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.46
7. Shaquille O'Neal* 31.08
8. Kobe Bryant* 28.26
9. Bill Russell* 27.76
10. Julius Erving* 26.89
11. Jerry West* 26.75
12. Kevin Durant 25.25
13. Larry Bird* 24.83
14. Scottie Pippen* 23.58
15. Dirk Nowitzki 23.13
16. Karl Malone* 22.99
17. Hakeem Olajuwon* 22.60
18. Kawhi Leonard 22.49
19. Dwyane Wade 21.63
20. John Stockton* 21.35
21. Manu Ginóbili 20.76
22. Kevin McHale* 20.67
23. Chauncey Billups 20.60
24. Horace Grant 20.00
25. Reggie Miller* 19.90
26. Charles Barkley* 19.52
27. John Havlicek* 19.27
28. Chris Paul 19.06
29. James Harden 18.50
30. Robert Horry 18.23
31. Ray Allen* 18.04
32. David Robinson* 17.52
33. Stephen Curry 17.11
34. George Mikan* 16.97
35. Kevin Garnett* 16.42
Rank Player WS
36. Paul Pierce* 16.31
37. Walt Frazier* 15.92
38. Dan Issel* 15.85
39. Robert Parish* 15.57
40. Clyde Drexler* 15.50
41. Pau Gasol 15.50
42. Ben Wallace* 15.41
43. Elgin Baylor* 15.36
44. Rasheed Wallace 15.27
45. Sam Jones* 15.23
46. James Worthy* 14.84
47. Moses Malone* 14.80
48. Roger Brown* 14.80
49. Zelmo Beaty* 14.57
50. Derek Fisher 14.55
51. Jason Kidd* 14.45
52. Jeff Hornacek 14.44
53. Patrick Ewing* 14.06
54. Draymond Green 14.02
55. Dolph Schayes* 13.95
56. Dwight Howard 13.75
57. Oscar Robertson* 13.65
58. Tony Parker 13.56
59. Bobby Jones* 13.36
60. Artis Gilmore* 13.19
61. Dennis Johnson* 13.16
62. Rick Barry* 13.15
63. Maurice Cheeks* 13.14
64. Wes Unseld* 12.71
65. Isiah Thomas* 12.55
66. Andre Iguodala 11.87
67. Steve Nash* 11.87
68. Rajon Rondo 11.83
69. Byron Scott 11.82
70. Bob Pettit* 11.74
Rank Player WS
71. Dennis Rodman* 11.74
72. Elvin Hayes* 11.71
73. Richard Hamilton 11.66
74. Terry Porter 11.60
75. Al Horford 11.57

[daslicer]

It's a hollow argument in my opinion. Obviously winning has a large effect on overall legacy, and no players have won consistently at the highest level without help.

People who say that Tim had Tony/Manu also need to admit that Jordan had Pippen/Rodman, Kobe had Shaq/Pau/Odom, Lebron had Wade/Bosh/Allen or Irving/Love or Davis, Curry had Thompson/Durant, etc.

It's a tale as old as time...even the Lakers and Celtics of yore were loaded with Hall of Famers going up against teams full of guys nobody even remembers anymore.

There are obviously players who have had outstanding careers without always having the help around them...Iverson, McGrady, Aldridge, Lillard, etc. There are also great players that couldn't succeed consistently despite being on very talented teams like Barkley, Nash, or Harden.

The fact is...if you have rings, you're going to be rated higher than those who do not. And winning rings usually requires a good collection of talent as well as a little fortune.

I agree. I feel the haters arguments are silly on why Duncan doesn't deserve to be ranked high. The argument that he had a great coach in Pop is stupid because we don't penalize Jordan,Shaq,Kobe for having Phil or Jabbar,Magic for having Riley or Russell for having Auerbach. Like you said the part about having help from Manu/Parker is also stupid because we don't penalize Jordan for having Pippen/Rodman, Shaq for having Kobe, Kobe for having Gasol, Lebron for having Wade,Bosh,Kyrie,Love,Davis,etc. At the end of the day Duncan gets a lot of hate from casuals simply because he wasn't flashy, charismatic, and didn't play in NYC,LA. I think if he played in NYC or LA, Duncan would be in the conversation for the GOAT.

[pad300]

Players should not be allowed to vote. They tend to be the dumbest out of all the groups that can vote.

I don't know man, I've got the media and the players in a dead heat on a dumbness sweepstakes...

[daslicer]

I don't know man, I've got the media and the players in a dead heat on a dumbness sweepstakes...

The media is pretty dumb but I view the players as dumber. If it was up to the players voting then Tim Duncan would have never won any of his MVP awards because both times he won it you had players screaming the runner up should have won it in Kidd or Garnett. That is when I stopped trusting players judgment. It's pretty much highschool with these clowns that the way they view you is based on your popularity and not so much your skill set.

[TD 21]

I'm not going to lie but if Kawhi gets in I will vomit but there is unfortunately a high chance he will.

He'll definitely get in despite a relatively thin body of work (and some questionable/tainted accolades), but this notion that he's in a tier above Davis, I missed when that happened.

The latter's '20 playoff run is more impressive than anything he's ever done. He took the Lakers from fringe playoffs to champions and he didn't rest 95 games the previous 2 seasons to do it.

[Brazil]

If they consider only NBA achievements / career, Tony should make it before Manu. Now if they consider international career, impact on the team and talent that's the contrary. At the end of the day, we have been lucky to have both playing for SA. They, with Tim, are the winningest trio in NBA history. Nobody will take that away from them.

[Proxy]

They're the winningest trio, if McHale and Parish are in there, then Manu and TP should be

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

They're the winningest trio, if McHale and Parish are in there, then Manu and TP should be

Good point.

[R. DeMurre]

Tony certainly had a better NBA career, while Manu had a far better career outside the NBA. Lists like this tend to put more weight on total counting stats too.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=parketo01&player_id2=ginobma01

Since this is an NBA-only list, I would expect Tony to be ahead of Manu in the pick order. I think Tony will make it, Manu is borderline.

Per minute, Manu and Tony put up very similar raw numbers, but in terms of effect on winning, Manu's stats are far more advanced & it's really not even close. Higher ORtg, lower Drtg, much better BPM, VORP...

[emanueldavidginobili]

Not sure who is doing it but I know ESPN did the top 74 players of all time last year TP was 70 and Manu was ranked 58.

[daslicer]

Not sure who is doing it but I know ESPN did the top 74 players of all time last year TP was 70 and Manu was ranked 58.

The difference is ESPN created their list from scratch while this list is just going to be 25 new players added to the old list. If you start from scratch Manu and Tony get in simply because they are some guys on the original top 50 list that they are better then.

[OldMan88]

If you use WS ranking, both TP & Manu are hurt because they played on some not so great teams at the end of long careers. Both deserve to be on the list.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Bill Simmons and Jackie Mac are involved. They don't know if its additional 25 or 75 from scratch.

NBA radio was saying 75 from scratch, which seems like a big disservice to the 50 who were on there originally.

Stats are becoming incomparable now, so people who are picking simply based on box scores will probably put guys like Harden ahead of a lot of former players who are more deserving.

[DAF86]

All I know is Manu is better than about half the guys listed in the first top 50 list.

He won't make it though because of counting stats and individual awards.

[spurraider21]

All I know is Manu is better than about half the guys listed in the first top 50 list.

He won't make it though because of counting stats and individual awards.
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[SupremeGuy]

Manu.

TP might not.

[exstatic]

Neither will make it, or care. You think guys like Westbrook, who will be picked because casuals love counting stats, wouldn’t trade a place on this list for four fucking rings?

[DMC]

No of course not.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I wonder if they're going to do some sort of dumbass ranking or if they're just going to say "here's our top 75".

Tim, David and Ice should obviously be shoe-ins. I can't see the small market Spurs getting 5 of the top 75 of all time, even though it's deserved.

[exstatic]

They REALLY shouldn’t re-roll it from scratch. They should just add 25 new players. It’s disrespectful to knock someone off the 50 list.

[wildbill2u]

They REALLY shouldn’t re-roll it from scratch. They should just add 25 new players. It’s disrespectful to knock someone off the 50 list.

I agree with you. Folks lose perspective if they haven't actually seen a player perform and players of different eras performed different functions TBH. Power forwards of the 50s and 60s were literally POWER forwards who were expected to do the dirty work inside, not space the floor with 3 point shots. Clyde Lovellete who? Bob Cousy invented ball handling maneuvers in the 50s that players today are trying to emulate, but who among today's fans have even a small grasp of how futuristic those moves were for his time. Already we see Oscar Robertson's career become a distant memory for only the few of us who saw him in person. (Some of us made a college roadtrip from NYC to Cincinnati one weekend to see him play against another powerhouse) Eventually, even the bright stars of Larry Bird and Magic from the later stages of the 20th Century will dim.

Why not just keep it to the top 50 players of the Century? There were plenty of wonderful players before 2000-- and there will be plenty in this century as well.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Manu just on his overall worldly basketball accomplishments. I believe he has 6 or 7 total "rings" if you count Euro and Olympics.

[Brazil]

Neither will make it, or care. You think guys like Westbrook, who will be picked because casuals love counting stats, wouldn’t trade a place on this list for four fucking rings?

Westbrick is a perenial loser tbh...

[MultiTroll]

Neither will make it, or care. You think guys like Westbrook, who will be picked because casuals love counting stats, wouldn’t trade a place on this list for four fucking rings?


Westbrick is a perenial loser tbh...
The dress will get him in.

[Brazil]

The dress will get him in.

he deserved it as fashion icon and biggest stat padder of the century

[GreekSpursfan]

Manu is the better player (who happens to be my all time favorite player), but Tony has the better accolades. It’snot fair but Tony makes it, while Manu maybe top 100.

[DAF86]

Well, Manu at least made it to the commercial.

t1vaembXXRE

[Ice009]

Well, Manu at least made it to the commercial.

t1vaembXXRE

Really nice to see Manu included as he is definitely a legend. Cool to see him and KD joking around in the behind the scenes video. I think it would have been really fun to see Manu play on the same team as KD. I think they would have meshed great together. I'd actually still like to see it if he were to come out of retirement (I think he'd still be able to play).

[MultiTroll]

Westchuck, Clitter Paul, Marshmallow Anthony.....

We better be prepared to roll with Parker and Manu maybe maybe not.

[rascal]

Manu is high to Spurs fans but doesn't have the stats or individual player NBA awards to make a case to be a top 75 player.

[slick'81]

https://d1l5jyrrh5eluf.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/SLM-TOP75-resized.jpg

[lefty]

:worthy: Spurs legend Demar Derozan sitting between Kobe and Lebron

[Gibbz]

I'd say KD needs a ring in Brooklyn to even be considered ahead of Hakeem.

[jsandiego]

That's the correct Top 10, but Hakeem should be up there before Durant.

[widowmaker]

Thats how close kobe and lebron will ever get to being MJ. Lebron has a loosing record in the finals.

[Thomas82]

I see David Robinson and George Gervin were listed in the first 25.

[Seventyniner]

Putting KD in a Nets jersey, Shaq in a Lakers jersey, and LeBron in a Lakers jersey makes no sense at all. KD should be in a Warriors jersey and LeBron a Heat (or maybe Cavs) jersey imo.

[Proxy]

doubt there was any thought put into what kd and lebron are wearing beyond just 'current team for current player'

[Proxy]

So is that slam's top 11?
Seems reasonable

Has Durant surpassed Dream/Moses/Oscar?

always forget Moses has 3 MVPs

[DAF86]

https://d1l5jyrrh5eluf.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/SLM-TOP75-resized.jpg

So Kobe is suddenly a top 10 player all-time because he died young?

[widowmaker]

So Kobe is suddenly a top 10 player all-time because he died young?


Maybe they felt sorry for him cause he raped that broad. I don’t care that they got around to putting some Spurs on that list, its a bullshit list half the motherfuckers on that front cover happen to be lakers. GTFO.

[daslicer]

Tim Duncan was just added to the list today. Obviously that was a given. Some of the new guys I have seen added so far is Dirk,Nash,CP3,AI,Giannis.

[daslicer]

Tim Duncan was just added to the list today. Obviously that was a given. Some of the new guys I have seen added so far is Dirk,Nash,CP3,AI,Giannis.

Here is all the new guys who have been added so far:
Dirk
Giannis
Durant
James Harden
Steve Nash
Chris Paul
Kevin Garnett
Duncan

[Mugen]

So Kobe is suddenly a top 10 player all-time because he died young?

I mean, yeah. He was going to get a bump across the board in every All Time List as soon as he passed away tbh. Narrative matters...not saying it's correct but that was always a given.

[Adam Lambert]

They REALLY shouldn’t re-roll it from scratch. They should just add 25 new players. It’s disrespectful to knock someone off the 50 list.

Respect is what the Hall of Fame is for. If you're doing a top 75, you pick the top 75. Dave DeBusschere doesn't need to be kept on the list over someone like Russell Westbrook out of "respect."

[emanueldavidginobili]

Paul Pierce in the top 75 smh.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Dame made it lmaooo

[emanueldavidginobili]

And Russ okay i'm done

[spurraider21]

nephew made it. manu didnt

[daslicer]

Kawhi making the list is more insult to injury.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Honestly surprised Reggie Miller was on the top 75 list.

other than that, the list is pretty good overall.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I’m not a Kawhi fan either but those 2 finals MVP’s along with the defensive player of the year awards helps his cause a lot. He turned out to be a snake but the guy is sadly going to the hall of fame.

[SpurPadre]

Welp, at least Howard and Webber didn't make the list over Manu and Parker.

[TD 21]

:lmao At the top 50 all retaining their spots ahead of the likes of P. Gasol, Ginobili, Howard, and Parker. That's what happens when the voters are primarily comprised of agenda driven, old school fools, with their limited understanding of the game, overvaluing things like counting stats/accolades and failing to apply context to them.

Scumbag's inclusion was inevitable and I don't even have a problem with it, but you just know the majority voted for him based on his two fradulant Finals MVP's.

[daslicer]

Welp, at least Howard and Webber didn't make the list over Manu and Parker.

Rodman making it was pretty disgraceful.

[MultiTroll]

What a joke.

Marshmallow Anthony. :lol
Chrissy Paul over Parker :lol
WestChuck :lol

[TD 21]

:lmao Paul is one of the two greatest small guards of all-time (Curry) and something like a top 30 player all time. His inclusion is not up for debate and as much as I dislike him, Westbrook was inevitable too. Anthony is borderline though.

Someone like McGrady was significantly better than him at his peak and sustained it long enough that he had a better case than some of the non legends from the 50s-80s too.

[John B]

Rodman making it was pretty disgraceful.
How is the best rebounder, and undersized at that, not be in the top 75? The guy defended Shaq, Malone, Barkley and took them out of their game. Nah, he belong.

[KingKev]

How is the best rebounder, and undersized at that, not be in the top 75? The guy defended Shaq, Malone, Barkley and took them out of their game. Nah, he belong.

where is DDR and LMA is the real question

[John B]

where is DDR and LMA is the real question

Damn the last few years have just been too bad for DDR with the game going heavy guards and 3pt happy. But put DDR in the 90’s, he’s up there with his mid-range shooting tbh. :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Melo :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

they lost all their credibility with that one. There are hundreds of NBA players who were better than Melo

[MultiTroll]

:lmao Paul is one of the two greatest small guards of all-time (Curry) and something like a top 30 player all time. His inclusion is not up for debate and as much as I dislike him, Westbrook was inevitable too. Anthony is borderline though.
You like stat padding regular season non pressure stuff.

NBA: When will Chris Pauls team go out of the playoffs next year? (spurstalk.com) (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=287535&highlight=Chris+Paul+playoff)

His bandwaggoning on to Phoenix is by far the farthest the ball hog ever went.

[daslicer]

How is the best rebounder, and undersized at that, not be in the top 75? The guy defended Shaq, Malone, Barkley and took them out of their game. Nah, he belong.

Nah he doesn't. He was a great role player but not a star in my eyes. Shaq still got his numbers against him. I looked up Shaq's averages a while back against Rodman and he still got his numbers. Shaq averaged 27 points and close to 11 rebounds on 64 percent FG shooting against the Bulls in the '96 playoffs. Malone also still got his but choked under pressure against the Bulls. I will definitely say that the Bulls needed Rodman to win their second 3 peat titles much like the Spurs needed Bruce Bowen to win their titles from '02-'07.

[daslicer]

:lmao At the top 50 all retaining their spots ahead of the likes of P. Gasol, Ginobili, Howard, and Parker. That's what happens when the voters are primarily comprised of agenda driven, old school fools, with their limited understanding of the game, overvaluing things like counting stats/accolades and failing to apply context to them.

Scumbag's inclusion was inevitable and I don't even have a problem with it, but you just know the majority voted for him based on his two fradulant Finals MVP's.

If Pop doesn't send Kawhi to Toronto but sends him to a shitty team like the Hornets he's definitely not getting in the top 75 greatest. Winning that Finals MVP with the Raptors made Kawhi mainstream with media. Prior to that they kept on labeling him as a system player and product of Pop's coaching. Pop really did give him the greatest assist of all time with that horrible trade.

[KingKev]

Damn the last few years have just been too bad for DDR with the game going heavy guards and 3pt happy. But put DDR in the 90’s, he’s up there with his mid-range shooting tbh. :lol

hahaha LMA may have had a chance if Kawhi didn’t get ZaZa’d

[RD2191]

Not having Manu or Parker up there is a travesty tbh. And although I've always been a Kawhi fan I think it's too soon to call him a top 75 player of all time. Also lol at scrubs like westbrick and melo being on the list. :lol

[timvp]

I mean, I don't care about these lists at all but Tony Parker > Reggie Miller, and it's not even close.

Miller was a five-time All-Star, three-time All-NBA (never first or second team) and never finished higher than 13th in MVP voting. Parker was a six-time All-Star, four-time All-NBA (three times on the second team) and finished in the top 12 in MVP voting six times (including finishing 5th, 6th, 8th and 9th). That's not even factoring in four championships and a Finals MVP.

Parker > Miller ... and it's not even close.

[Gagnrath]

I question the inclusion of melo quite a bit. Then again in a broadcast last night they called LaChoke Sprewell, "The great LaTrelle Sprewell like he was a historically great player.

[RC_Drunkford]

NBA

Melo > Ginobili, Parker, Gervin, Mutombo, T-Mac, Vince Carter

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

the nephew doesn't belong on the list either if you ask me

[MultiTroll]

We'll always know what it was like to have legit Champions. :toast

[daslicer]

NBA

Melo > Ginobili, Parker, Gervin, Mutombo, T-Mac, Vince Carter

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

the nephew doesn't belong on the list either if you ask me

Gervin actually made the list.

[daslicer]

I mean, I don't care about these lists at all but Tony Parker > Reggie Miller, and it's not even close.

Miller was a five-time All-Star, three-time All-NBA (never first or second team) and never finished higher than 13th in MVP voting. Parker was a six-time All-Star, four-time All-NBA (three times on the second team) and finished in the top 12 in MVP voting six times (including finishing 5th, 6th, 8th and 9th). That's not even factoring in four championships and a Finals MVP.

Parker > Miller ... and it's not even close.

The argument by the media would be "Reggie actually lead his team to the finals being the number 1 guy while Parker never lead the Spurs being the number 1 guy to the finals."

[widowmaker]

Its a bullshit list. Why are people getting worked up about it lol. If parker or ginoblil would have been on a New York, La, Chicago, Philadelphia or golden state team they would be on it. Ive said it before and ill say it again. San Antonio isn’t white enough for America and definitely isn’t black enough for the NBA

[widowmaker]

The argument by the media would be "Reggie actually lead his team to the finals being the number 1 guy while Parker never lead the Spurs being the number 1 guy to the finals."


Parker-4 Reggie Miller-0

[baseline bum]

https://d1l5jyrrh5eluf.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/SLM-TOP75-resized.jpg

Damn, Russell, Bryant, and Durant over Olajuwon is some kind of sick joke.

[PhantomDashCam]

I mean, I don't care about these lists at all but Tony Parker > Reggie Miller, and it's not even close.

Miller was a five-time All-Star, three-time All-NBA (never first or second team) and never finished higher than 13th in MVP voting. Parker was a six-time All-Star, four-time All-NBA (three times on the second team) and finished in the top 12 in MVP voting six times (including finishing 5th, 6th, 8th and 9th). That's not even factoring in four championships and a Finals MVP.

Parker > Miller ... and it's not even close.

Feel the same way. I mean when you’re considered the best player at your position amongst your peers for a time (and through stiff competition too, arguable golden age of PGs and all), alongside the clear accolade discrepancy; nepotistic influence is without a doubt in play.

[CGD]

The argument by the media would be "Reggie actually lead his team to the finals being the number 1 guy while Parker never lead the Spurs being the number 1 guy to the finals."

They must have missed 2007 then. Tony was amazing during that stretch.

[CGD]

Feel the same way. I mean when you’re considered the best player at your position amongst your peers for a time (and through stiff competition too, arguable golden age of PGs and all), alongside the clear accolade discrepancy; nepotistic influence is without a doubt in play.

Let’s not even get started on Melo and Pierce…

[baseline bum]

I'd say KD needs a ring in Brooklyn to even be considered ahead of Hakeem.

Nah Durant would have needed a ring with last year's Brooklyn team with 25% Harden to have any shot at an argument over Olajuwon.

[Gibbz]

Nah Durant would have needed a ring with last year's Brooklyn team with 25% Harden to have any shot at an argument over Olajuwon.

I agree with you but I'm just trying to be neutral because so many nephews already have him in their top 10 regardless.

[baseline bum]

How is the best rebounder, and undersized at that, not be in the top 75? The guy defended Shaq, Malone, Barkley and took them out of their game. Nah, he belong.

Go watch the 95 WCF and see what a faggot he was.

[Gibbz]

Dennis Rodman? :lol Might as well put Danny Green in there.

[baseline bum]

I mean, I don't care about these lists at all but Tony Parker > Reggie Miller, and it's not even close.

Miller was a five-time All-Star, three-time All-NBA (never first or second team) and never finished higher than 13th in MVP voting. Parker was a six-time All-Star, four-time All-NBA (three times on the second team) and finished in the top 12 in MVP voting six times (including finishing 5th, 6th, 8th and 9th). That's not even factoring in four championships and a Finals MVP.

Parker > Miller ... and it's not even close.

If the Spurs could have pulled down one more rebound in Game 6 everyone would remember Tony's three right in LeBron's face to tie the game and he would have been an automatic on this list.

[timvp]

Damn, Russell, Bryant, and Durant over Olajuwon is some kind of sick joke.

Meh, take away illegal defense rules and the clutchest shooters in NBA history as teammates and Olajuwon is a rich man's Gorgui Dieng, tkbh.

[slick'81]

Damn, Russell, Bryant, and Durant over Olajuwon is some kind of sick joke.

i wont argue kobe,and russell gets in because the legacy(rings/defense) but durant does look out of place to me. Durant is a helluva player but hakeem was something else too

[baseline bum]

The argument by the media would be "Reggie actually lead his team to the finals being the number 1 guy while Parker never lead the Spurs being the number 1 guy to the finals."

Wasn't Jalen Rose the #1 option on that team? :lol

[Gibbz]

A lot of the guys on the list are headscratchers, but in what universe does Dennis fucking Rodman deserve to be called a top 75 basketball player of all time? If he was the best player on a team they'd be the worst team in the NBA.

[Gagnrath]

A lot of the guys on the list are headscratchers, but in what universe does Dennis fucking Rodman deserve to be called a top 75 basketball player of all time? If he was the best player on a team they'd be the worst team in the NBA.

Don't look at Spurs Rodman look at Pistons Rodman. Then realize that there is only one basketball and that team had Jordan, Pippen and other scorers and needed defense and rebounding. Suddenly it makes sense why Denis didn't shoot.

Also why are you complaining about the Spurs on the list? San Antonio isn't the Lakers and has four in the top 75..... How many does the Pelicans have?

[diego]

eh spurs were always going to get screwed in this list, if nephew had stayed and had the exact same raptors playoff run here he wouldnt have got in either

but aside from that its still a pretty bad list, dwight must be pissed one way players like dame and melo got in over him :lol

[talkspurs]

So manu made it in the commercial but did not make the list?

[Gibbz]

Don't look at Spurs Rodman look at Pistons Rodman. Then realize that there is only one basketball and that team had Jordan, Pippen and other scorers and needed defense and rebounding. Suddenly it makes sense why Denis didn't shoot.

Also why are you complaining about the Spurs on the list? San Antonio isn't the Lakers and has four in the top 75..... How many does the Pelicans have?

What an odd fucking question. What is the Pelicans' win-loss total compared to San Antonio? That's like saying, "The Patriots got four in, but what about the Jaguars?" End of the day I don't care about some sports ranking I was just having fun shitting on it. Rodman always was a role-player, though. Insanity to have him in over, like, Dwight Howard for one.

[daslicer]

They must have missed 2007 then. Tony was amazing during that stretch.

The media "He played with Tim Duncan. No way does Parker get to the Finals playing with Rik Smits."

[FutureMan]

As of today: Duncan, Robinson, Gervin, Parker, Ginobili > Leonard

[daslicer]

Wasn't Jalen Rose the #1 option on that team? :lol

Just looked it up on basketball reference and Jalen Rose did lead the Pacers in scoring during the '99-'00 season but it was very close. Jalen averaged 18.2 points per game, while Reggie averaged 18.1 per game. During the playoffs Reggie lead the Pacers in scoring at 24 per game while Jalen was averaging 20.8.

[daslicer]

Don't look at Spurs Rodman look at Pistons Rodman. Then realize that there is only one basketball and that team had Jordan, Pippen and other scorers and needed defense and rebounding. Suddenly it makes sense why Denis didn't shoot.

Also why are you complaining about the Spurs on the list? San Antonio isn't the Lakers and has four in the top 75..... How many does the Pelicans have?

Rodman was a great role player much like Bowen was for the Spurs. I don't believe the Spurs would have won the 3 titles they did during the '00s if he wasn't on the team but that doesn't make him a great player. The same applies to Rodman.

[timvp]

A lot of the guys on the list are headscratchers, but in what universe does Dennis fucking Rodman deserve to be called a top 75 basketball player of all time? If he was the best player on a team they'd be the worst team in the NBA.

Yeah, that's another dumb one. Considering everything, Danny Green has a legit case of having a better career than Rodman. If Rodman didn't start dying his hair and fall off the deep end, the mayonnaise eating voters who came up with this list would have never heard of him.

[daslicer]

eh spurs were always going to get screwed in this list, if nephew had stayed and had the exact same raptors playoff run here he wouldnt have got in either

but aside from that its still a pretty bad list, dwight must be pissed one way players like dame and melo got in over him :lol

Dame,Melo,Rodman were some terrible picks. I'm not a fan of Westbrook but I knew he would get in since he had won a league MVP and had the triple double records. Him and Melo are the best example of how stat padding will get you recognition.

[daslicer]

Yeah, that's another dumb one. Considering everything, Danny Green has a legit case of having a better career than Rodman. If Rodman didn't start dying his hair and fall off the deep end, the mayonnaise eating voters who came up with this list would have never heard of him.

Agreed. Rodman benefitted from being a celebrity. It enhanced his legacy as a player.

[Thomas82]

:lmao At the top 50 all retaining their spots ahead of the likes of P. Gasol, Ginobili, Howard, and Parker. That's what happens when the voters are primarily comprised of agenda driven, old school fools, with their limited understanding of the game, overvaluing things like counting stats/accolades and failing to apply context to them.

Scumbag's inclusion was inevitable and I don't even have a problem with it, but you just know the majority voted for him based on his two fradulant Finals MVP's.

I couldn't have said that part any better.

[slick'81]

rodman was probably one of the best defenders ever to play the game. Could literally guard any position. If he didnt go full retard vs Houston spurs def ring in '95

[timvp]

rodman was probably one of the best defenders ever to play the game. Could literally guard any position. If he didnt go full retard vs Houston spurs def ring in '95

Rodman's defense was 90% overblown. He was one of the original stat whores in the NBA. All he really cared about was racking up rebounds. He would routinely leave his man to put himself in better rebounding position. Time and score be damned. Watch how this supposed all-time defender left Robert Horry wide open . . .

bt86Gmzae50

That's like Forbesian level defense in the biggest possession of the 1995 NBA season. All because he wanted another rebound.

Rodman is lucky he somehow became a celebrity and that rebounds are one of the few stats generated on the defensive end. I mean, Rodman was a pretty good defender at his best but he'd literally be a nobody if he didn't go crazy and the one thing he could reliably do on the basketball court wasn't tracked.

If Danny Green had rainbow hair, dated Rihanna and perimeter defense had a corresponding stat that could be counted, he'd be looked at as better than Rodman.

[slick'81]

Rodman's defense was 90% overblown. He was one of the original stat whores in the NBA. All he really cared about was racking up rebounds. He would routinely leave his man to put himself in better rebounding position. Time and score be damned. Watch how this supposed all-time defender left Robert Horry wide open . . .

bt86Gmzae50

That's like Forbesian level defense in the biggest possession of the 1995 NBA season. All because he wanted another rebound.

Rodman is lucky he somehow became a celebrity and that rebounds are one of the few stats generated on the defensive end. I mean, Rodman was a pretty good defender at his best but he'd literally be a nobody if he didn't go crazy and the one thing he could reliably do on the basketball court wasn't tracked.

If Danny Green had rainbow hair, dated Rihanna and perimeter defense had a corresponding stat that could be counted, he'd be looked at as better than Rodman.


Id like to see danny green check shaq or malone and literally make them cry


https://youtu.be/XBoVDIvOrfI


https://youtu.be/NdZn8epqnKo


https://youtu.be/eICvcfDFW_Q

[BillMc]

Rodman's defense was 90% overblown. He was one of the original stat whores in the NBA. All he really cared about was racking up rebounds. He would routinely leave his man to put himself in better rebounding position. Time and score be damned. Watch how this supposed all-time defender left Robert Horry wide open . . .

bt86Gmzae50



That's like Forbesian level defense in the biggest possession of the 1995 NBA season. All because he wanted another rebound.

Rodman is lucky he somehow became a celebrity and that rebounds are one of the few stats generated on the defensive end. I mean, Rodman was a pretty good defender at his best but he'd literally be a nobody if he didn't go crazy and the one thing he could reliably do on the basketball court wasn't tracked.

If Danny Green had rainbow hair, dated Rihanna and perimeter defense had a corresponding stat that could be counted, he'd be looked at as better than Rodman.

Good post.

Grant was a better third wheel to MJ and Pippen than Rodman.

[tonski117]

Dame over manu. Breaks my heart

[BillMc]

So Kobe is suddenly a top 10 player all-time because he died young?

Kobe is vastly overrated. Top 30 player not close to Top 10. Shaq was being triple teammed at times in those first 3 championships and Kobe still shot a meh percentage. And Pau was as good as Kobe in at least 1 of their 2 titles. He also mailed in on defense the last 6 or so years of his career despite making some all-defensive teams.

HOF er, most definitely. But the fact that even many Laker fans think he's better than Magic or "carried" Shaq is ridiculous.

[rjv]

ginobli should be an overrated ball hog like lillard. the euro step changed the league and manu was the catalyst for that move becoming such an integral part of a player's arsenal. not to mention manu's ferocity on both sides of the ball and his sheer will to win.

[superbigtime]

not a rodman fan

[MannyIsGod]

Dennis Rodman is one of the most overrated and one dimensional players the NBA has ever seen. I'd rather have Ben Wallace.

[MannyIsGod]

I know Spurs fans love to hate Kobe, but dude won 5 rings and was absolutely dominant. Its insane to think he's not top 10 imo.

[MannyIsGod]

Also I know y'all hate Melo, but dude averaged over 20ppg for over 15 years in a very defensive period in the NBA. He fits on that list.

[baseline bum]

I know Spurs fans love to hate Kobe, but dude won 5 rings and was absolutely dominant. Its insane to think he's not top 10 imo.

Kobe would make my top 10, but just barely. No way I'm taking him over Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Tim, Bird, or LeBron, and I'm giving Shaq and Hakeem the edge too. But I'll take Kobe over Dr J, Curry, Durant, or Moses and especially over statpadding Oscar Robertson, so I guess I'd have him #10 all time.

[baseline bum]

Rodman's defense was 90% overblown. He was one of the original stat whores in the NBA. All he really cared about was racking up rebounds. He would routinely leave his man to put himself in better rebounding position. Time and score be damned. Watch how this supposed all-time defender left Robert Horry wide open . . .

bt86Gmzae50

That's like Forbesian level defense in the biggest possession of the 1995 NBA season. All because he wanted another rebound.

Rodman is lucky he somehow became a celebrity and that rebounds are one of the few stats generated on the defensive end. I mean, Rodman was a pretty good defender at his best but he'd literally be a nobody if he didn't go crazy and the one thing he could reliably do on the basketball court wasn't tracked.

If Danny Green had rainbow hair, dated Rihanna and perimeter defense had a corresponding stat that could be counted, he'd be looked at as better than Rodman.

The one that always pisses me off is Rodman being hailed as some kind of warrior who wins you titles by the sports media all because Chicago was the only team willing to even make an offer for him after the crap he pulled here in the 95 playoffs. This motherfucker gave up and started jacking wild threes up in the first quarter of a must win Game 2 of the 95 WCF to force the coach to bench him. Guess he was being a baby about being blamed for losing Game 1 when he left Horry wide open to statpad his rebound numbers, so let's just give the whole series away?

[MultiTroll]

^ This current top 75 is not a basketball based merit system.
It's a mixture of entertainment and corruption per par.

:lol Lebron in a Flamers uniform when he's played what, 2 seasons out of 17 as an ABC/Disney/NBA LakerRef?

[GreekSpursfan]

List is garbage, how the player with best win% in the history of the league isn't on that list is beyond me.

[MannyIsGod]

Kobe would make my top 10, but just barely. No way I'm taking him over Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Tim, Bird, or LeBron, and I'm giving Shaq and Hakeem the edge too. But I'll take Kobe over Dr J, Curry, Durant, or Moses and especially over statpadding Oscar Robertson, so I guess I'd have him #10 all time.
I'd definitely put him above Bird and probably Shaq and Hakeem. Shaq is more debateable tho and neither is open and shut.

[baseline bum]

I'd definitely put him above Bird and probably Shaq and Hakeem. Shaq is more debateable tho and neither is open and shut.

I think Shaq is wildly underrated these days, it's like everyone has forgotten how dominant he was in the early 2000s. Olajuwon has to be there for (1) winning the 94 title without another allstar and (2) for winning a title in 95 in arguably the most difficult road there has ever been having to beat Utah, Phoenix, the Spurs, and Magic when they were all right around 60 win teams. With Bird it's another case of his absolute prime being ridiculous just like Shaq.

[daslicer]

Id like to see danny green check shaq or malone and literally make them cry


https://youtu.be/XBoVDIvOrfI


https://youtu.be/NdZn8epqnKo


https://youtu.be/eICvcfDFW_Q

Shaq still shot above 60 percent for FG percentage in that series in '96. Rodman guarded him well for stretches but he would not be able to guard him for a full game. You can have a highlight reel of Malik Rose guarding Shaq for stretches but that doesn't mean Malik could check Shaq for a full game.

[lmbebo]

Garbage list. Panders to popularity and recency bias.

[rastaspur]

Crap list catering to modern day casuals tbh.

lilliard. ��

At least they didnt put tmac and other colossal chokers on it. But twitter world seemed most outraged by tmac getting the snub. �� casuals

[timvp]

Id like to see danny green check shaq or malone and literally make them cryKevin Willis and Malik Rose made Shaq (and Kobe, Fisher, etc.) cry and that didn't get them a spot on that list, tbh.



https://youtu.be/XBoVDIvOrfI

Hustling for the camera doesn't really make someone a good defender, tbh. In fact, diving into the fifth row is usually bad strategy, if we're being honest. The offensive equivalent would be like saying someone is a good offensive player because they do a lot of no look passes. I can't remember a standout "hustle play" from Duncan or Robinson but they were obviously great defenders.



https://youtu.be/NdZn8epqnKoHaving Jordan and Pippen on your team and winning by 50 or whatever would make anyone look like a great defender :lol

Shaq still played well in that game and in that series. If Shaq and Rodman switch teams that series, the Bulls sweep the Magic by an average of about 80 points.



https://youtu.be/eICvcfDFW_Q
Bill Laimbeer was a more important player to those Pistons teams and no one even thought about putting him on the top 75. Taking away the wedding dress, the hair color, the antics, the historically great teams he found himself on (that would have been great with or without him) and Rodman is Reggie Evans with worse offense.

[TD 21]

You like stat padding regular season non pressure stuff.

NBA: When will Chris Pauls team go out of the playoffs next year? (spurstalk.com) (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=287535&highlight=Chris+Paul+playoff)

His bandwaggoning on to Phoenix is by far the farthest the ball hog ever went.

:lmao At spouting team based results without context.



Kevin Willis and Malik Rose made Shaq (and Kobe, Fisher, etc.) cry and that didn't get them a spot on that list, tbh.

Hustling for the camera doesn't really make someone a good defender, tbh. In fact, diving into the fifth row is usually bad strategy, if we're being honest. The offensive equivalent would be like saying someone is a good offensive player because they do a lot of no look passes. I can't remember a standout "hustle play" from Duncan or Robinson but they were obviously great defenders.

I could have sworn it was the then best player in the world that was primarily responsible for this.

At the 1:16 mark: San Antonio Spurs' Winning Run - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzDwJ6obHFI)

I agree with the sentiment about Rodman, though. The list in general is terrible. So many of the voters had no business being involved for what should have been obvious reasons in most cases.

[Mugen]

I was young AF when I started watching (mid 90s tbh) so there's definitely some nostalgia tint in there but prime Shaq was the most dominant player I've ever watched. I'd have no problem with someone putting Shaq over everybody else if we're ranking absolute peaks tbh.

[daslicer]

I know Spurs fans love to hate Kobe, but dude won 5 rings and was absolutely dominant. Its insane to think he's not top 10 imo.

He's definitely not top 10. He's somewhere between 11-20. As great as Kobe was he was pretty inefficient. He shot 44 percent for his career which is a bad percentage. He was too streaky and inconsistent to be a top 10 all time great. He had games where he wouldn't miss but he also had an equal amount games where he was awful shooting 9-27. He also benefitted from having Shaq and then Gasol-Bynum-Odom to clean up his bricks. Playing would those guys gave him a huge margin of error to make mistakes and still be able to win.

[slick'81]

A motivated,focused rodman is easily a top 100 player. Top 75 is surprising however. Mad love for the worm

[slick'81]

Kevin Willis and Malik Rose made Shaq (and Kobe, Fisher, etc.) cry and that didn't get them a spot on that list, tbh.



Hustling for the camera doesn't really make someone a good defender, tbh. In fact, diving into the fifth row is usually bad strategy, if we're being honest. The offensive equivalent would be like saying someone is a good offensive player because they do a lot of no look passes. I can't remember a standout "hustle play" from Duncan or Robinson but they were obviously great defenders.

Having Jordan and Pippen on your team and winning by 50 or whatever would make anyone look like a great defender :lol

Shaq still played well in that game and in that series. If Shaq and Rodman switch teams that series, the Bulls sweep the Magic by an average of about 80 points.


Bill Laimbeer was a more important player to those Pistons teams and no one even thought about putting him on the top 75. Taking away the wedding dress, the hair color, the antics, the historically great teams he found himself on (that would have been great with or without him) and Rodman is Reggie Evans with worse offense.

Naw lambeer And rodman were equally good at making guys lose their cool and punch them in the face. Rodman was far superior to lambeer on defense though.

kbd is danny green,rodman is green lol. If green shaved his head and learned to dribble i guess hed be mj lulz

And whats with comparing everyone to danny green?

[gambit1990]

17. Mourning

:lol

they're putting melo over him. and over tony and manu.

called it.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Bad list. No like.

[BillMc]

In the TNT video Tony and Manu weren't even mentioned in the "snub" list.

The disrespect is amazing....

[J_Paco]

A motivated,focused rodman is easily a top 100 player. Top 75 is surprising however. Mad love for the worm

He was nothing more than a super charged role - player that could never, ever carry a team even on his best day. Most overrrated NBA player in history....

[Dverde]

Rodman doesn’t deserve on the list. Kinda laughable when you consider all the off and on court problems. All time rebounder. I don’t think Manu deserves on the list either but he billboarded a move that is still being used today. Much more deserving over him.

[MultiTroll]

In the TNT video Tony and Manu weren't even mentioned in the "snub" list.

The disrespect is amazing....

[Kurgan]

90s nostalgia blinders in full effect with the people that put Reggie and Rodman on this list.

[jsandiego]

There's an obvious Knicks and Lakers bias, as expected. Something like 5 Knicks players from the 70s were included with their two titles. We won 4 titles and sustained excellence over two decades like the league has never seen, yet Tony and Manu are shut out. If they were playing in LA, they'd be NBA royalty and compared to James Worthy. If Tim played in LA, he'd be valued over Kareem.

It is what it is. I'll be forever thankful that our small market team had the run we had with unprecidented leadership, teammates, and a Top-5 player.

[MannyIsGod]

He's definitely not top 10. He's somewhere between 11-20. As great as Kobe was he was pretty inefficient. He shot 44 percent for his career which is a bad percentage. He was too streaky and inconsistent to be a top 10 all time great. He had games where he wouldn't miss but he also had an equal amount games where he was awful shooting 9-27. He also benefitted from having Shaq and then Gasol-Bynum-Odom to clean up his bricks. Playing would those guys gave him a huge margin of error to make mistakes and still be able to win.

Kobe played in the most inefficient era of the NBA. Yes, he played with Great players. So? Most great players do.

[timvp]

There's an obvious Knicks and Lakers bias, as expected. Something like 5 Knicks players from the 70s were included with their two titles. We won 4 titles and sustained excellence over two decades like the league has never seen, yet Tony and Manu are shut out. If they were playing in LA, they'd be NBA royalty and compared to James Worthy. If Tim played in LA, he'd be valued over Kareem.

It is what it is. I'll be forever thankful that our small market team had the run we had with unprecidented leadership, teammates, and a Top-5 player.

Well said. Put even someone like Dave DeBusschere on the Spurs instead of the Knicks and no one would even consider putting him on the top 75. Hell, even Reggie Miller only made it because of his Spike Lee connection. But, eh, whatever, that's part of being a fan of a small market team. They can forget about you but they can't take away those five (5) championships, tbh.

[baseline bum]

There's an obvious Knicks and Lakers bias, as expected. Something like 5 Knicks players from the 70s were included with their two titles. We won 4 titles and sustained excellence over two decades like the league has never seen, yet Tony and Manu are shut out. If they were playing in LA, they'd be NBA royalty and compared to James Worthy. If Tim played in LA, he'd be valued over Kareem.

It is what it is. I'll be forever thankful that our small market team had the run we had with unprecidented leadership, teammates, and a Top-5 player.

Dave DeBusschere ever making the top 50 was such a joke. And yeah Worthy was a nice player, but I'll take Parker over him any day.

[timvp]

I'd definitely put him above Bird and probably Shaq and Hakeem. Shaq is more debateable tho and neither is open and shut.

The first, second and third priorities when going against those Lakers teams was stopping Shaq. You had to have like at least four options because otherwise he'd overwhelm your whole team. Kobe was obviously great but you almost had to just live with whatever he did because slowing Shaq was the only way to make it even a close game. So in my mind, Shaq > Kobe. But, yeah, it gets closer when you factor in the Gasol/Kobe era.

It's too bad that Kobe isn't around anymore for this top 75 list because Kobe was a Spurs truther. He'd be the one standing up and saying that's it's BS that neither Tony nor Manu made it. As Kobe said in one of his last interviews, those Lakers teams would have won a lot more championships if it wasn't for the Spurs.

[daslicer]

Kobe played in the most inefficient era of the NBA. Yes, he played with Great players. So? Most great players do.

He was pretty inefficient not because of the era he played in but because of his poor shot selection. They were a lot of games where Kobe would take ridiculously bad shots where he could have passed the ball to the open teammate. None of the guys in my top 10 shot poorly like Kobe and that's why he can't be a top 10 player.

[TheGreatYacht]

He was pretty inefficient not because of the era he played in but because of his poor shot selection. They were a lot of games where Kobe would take ridiculously bad shots where he could have passed the ball to the open teammate. None of the guys in my top 10 shot poorly like Kobe and that's why he can't be a top 10 player.

The better Kobe got and more dominant player he became, the worst the Lakers became during the Shaq years. Once the Lakers stopped giving the ball to Shaq and letting him dominate, that was the beginning of the end for the Shaq-Kobe era.

The Lakers would not make a comeback until they acquired Pau Gasol to help carry Kobe during clutch times.

[Arcadian]

Does anybody think John Havlicek could beat Manu Ginobili in a game of 1v1? :lol

(It's not a fair question, but just funny to imagine)

[Proxy]

TP, Manu, Pau, English... take the celtics big 3 out or include the spurs 3 entirely

[MultiTroll]

Did Bonner, Michael Finley or Forbes receive any votes?

Someone we know was on the voting committee.