The Chopping Block: Which Two?

[The Truth #6]

Seems like there’s jackshit left to discuss. The only remaining question mark seems to be which two players will get excised from the team.

People mention Hutchison and Aminu, but that’s a good deal of money. People mention Eubanks and Landale but that feels idiotic.

I would think Young should be traded immediately but Pop may actually start him to help him get his needed wins.

Thoughts?

[itzsoweezee]

Seems like there’s jackshit left to discuss. The only remaining question mark seems to be which two players will get excised from the team.

People mention Hutchison and Aminu, but that’s a good deal of money. People mention Eubanks and Landale but that feels idiotic.

I would think Young should be traded immediately but Pop may actually start him to help him get his needed wins.

Thoughts?

Young should absolutely be traded. I’m very doubtful it happens (the Spurs are not tanking, despite what the morons claim).

[The Truth #6]

It’s true. They’re losing more than tanking. Forbes is the poster boy of that strategy.

Let’s say Young is traded. Then who? Hutchison is hated everywhere he’s played. But he has that congenial smile that Brian Wright likes, and it’s not impossible that Pop somehow likes him. I mean, he could be the next Lyles. Do I want that to happen? Of course not. But maybe they want to drag this out to training camp to up the competition.

I think they should trade Young for a pick if possible and stretch Hutchison, but that seems too obvious.

[Chinook]

Trades are more likely to exacerbate the roster crunch than improve it. Eubanks, Samanic and even SOB are fighting with Aminu and Hutch for spots.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

cut forbes and lonnie and call it a day :)

[Leetonidas]

The Spurs may not want to tank, but their roster says otherwise :lol seriously, Spurs might have the least talented roster in the entire league this season

Trade Young. Cut/waive Hutch imo

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

:lol seriously, Spurs might have the least talented roster in the entire league this season

:lol :cry :lol

[FutureMan]

Depending of the trade it might really be “The Trading Block: Which Three For One?”

[Seventyniner]

Acknowledge the sunk cost, cut Forbes.

Hutch was never going to be on the team either so cut him too.

[Dex]

The Spurs may not want to tank, but their roster says otherwise :lol seriously, Spurs might have the least talented roster in the entire league this season

Trade Young. Cut/waive Hutch imo

But they are all good character guys who try hard. :rolleyes

Sarcasm aside...if you are going to tank, this roster has all the signs. A bunch of guys who fans will like, but at the end of the day we are outgunned at every turn.

Spurs will pretend like they are trying to stay competitive, but at this point that could mean 15 wins or 40 wins, but I'm taking the under at this point

[Dex]

To answer OP's question, I think Hutchison and Aminu are the first to go barring some other crazy trade before training camp. Eubanks has tenure, Landale has previous connections via Mills, and I think the Spurs are genuinely interested in trying to use Young if they can't flip him.

[exstatic]

Seems like there’s jackshit left to discuss. The only remaining question mark seems to be which two players will get excised from the team.

People mention Hutchison and Aminu, but that’s a good deal of money. People mention Eubanks and Landale but that feels idiotic.

I would think Young should be traded immediately but Pop may actually start him to help him get his needed wins.

Thoughts?

Hutchison won’t play here. He’s been a problem child at both stops to date. Spurs Twitter didn’t welcome him. He’ll either be salary ballast, or he’ll be waived.

I think it’s likely that Young is traded. He has value, and his advanced stats range from passable to pretty good. If we can’t find a taker before the season, he’ll play. He’ll probably have to come off the bench, though, as a DJ, Thad, Poodle grouping would kill spacing.

I think if it comes down to cuts, it will be Hutchison, and one of Eubanks or Landale, because cheap. Hopefully, we can make a many to few trade to compress the roster.

[KingKev]

I’m thinking barring a trade it will be Hutchison and Aminu. Would be nice to move Walker and Thad for a 1st round pick. I see no value in stock piling 2nd round pics. We are going to start having trouble trimming the roster every year if we keep the current strategy in place.

It will be frustrating from December when we buy out Thad to join a contender. This has to be on Sours fans minds.

[exstatic]

I’m thinking barring a trade it will be Hutchison and Aminu. Would be nice to move Walker and Thad for a 1st round pick. I see no value in stock piling 2nd round pics. We are going to start having trouble trimming the roster every year if we keep the current strategy in place.

It will be frustrating from December when we buy out Thad to join a contender. This has to be on Sours fans minds.

Knicks got Harkless, a first and a second for Marcus Morris, and you think we need to give up two players for a first? I think if the deadline rolls around, and a contender wants Thad, he alone can pull a first, although with a contender, it will be a late first.


Aminu makes $10M. That’s way too expensive to cut. Hutch is only $4M, so you can safely slot him as a cut.

[objective]

I think they'll keep Hutchinson and whoever else through camp until cutdowns, if only to save a little bit of money on camp bodies. They're already having to pay them anyway, so why how blow another 5 figures on camp body scrubs who won't make the team either?

[ginobilized]

Training camp could be a bloodbath, like the days of old.
If we don’t make a trade with these extra assets, I’m all for making it super competitive in camp.
Maybe someone sticks maybe not, but, the stakes are high among the young guns and it’s time to up the ante a bit.

[baseline bum]

Wish it was Forbes and Wright

[koriwhat]

Wish it was Forbes and Wright

:tu

[Harry Callahan]

The "General Manager" seems in over his head to me. This team will do well to win 30 games assuming we have an 82 game schedule, which is not a given with today's environment.

[KingKev]

Knicks got Harkless, a first and a second for Marcus Morris, and you think we need to give up two players for a first? I think if the deadline rolls around, and a contender wants Thad, he alone can pull a first, although with a contender, it will be a late first.


Aminu makes $10M. That’s way too expensive to cut. Hutch is only $4M, so you can safely slot him as a cut.

Marcus Morris was plying his best basketball of his career for the Knicks that year and the Clippers were desperate. I think you’d have to either attach a young asset or take back a longer contract to get a first round for Thad. I guess we will see where the market is come Feb, too early to speculate now. Would be very happy if we got did a 1st for Thad straight up.

I agree on Hutch. Aminu may very well be given a chance as Spurs reclamation project as he still has a couple of years to turn things around. 10m is alot to eat but we have some precedence these last few years.

[SpurSpike]

Perhaps we can do a sign and trade for Markkanen after all? The market is dry and he wants out. Maybe there is a deal to be had here?

[MultiTroll]

Package Pop n Bryn.

[TD 21]

Marcus Morris was plying his best basketball of his career for the Knicks that year and the Clippers were desperate. I think you’d have to either attach a young asset or take back a longer contract to get a first round for Thad. I guess we will see where the market is come Feb, too early to speculate now. Would be very happy if we got did a 1st for Thad straight up.

I agree on Hutch. Aminu may very well be given a chance as Spurs reclamation project as he still has a couple of years to turn things around. 10m is alot to eat but we have some precedence these last few years.

Unless it's like the oft discussed Suns hypothetical (Saric, Smith, top 20 protected '23 1st), I'm skepical too. Can't shoot and it's difficult to find expendable matching salary on would be interested teams. I wouldn't be surprised if the best they can do is Prince and 2 2nds (Timberwolves and Wizards).

They're no strangers to having dead money on their books. Barring another move, he's the obvious candidate as an expensive veteran bereft a current role.

[jjspur]

Hard to see trading anyone we just signed. Think Young probably gets to show what he still has in the tank. Amino is probably the first obvious contract to eject, however it becomes tricky after that since we will still have to pay them even if we cut them. Its the Demarre Carroll situation all over again. However at least two players will have to be let go or somehow traded to start the season. Whomever goes is anybody's guess at this point. As we all know, the spurs front office moves don't always make sense. :dizzy

[SAGirl]

Perhaps we can do a sign and trade for Markkanen after all? The market is dry and he wants out. Maybe there is a deal to be had here?
I'd explore it but it seems the Spurs were already down this road and the problem is twofold:
1. He wants too much,
2. but what's worse is that Chicago wants a first round pick for him. He's not worth that on top of what he wants $

[exstatic]

If they wanted Markkanen, he would have been part of the DeRozan trade.

[Teamduncan21]

Wait. Cut Forbes or jock? I mean why would we sign if we are just going to cut in a months time. Why don't we just not sign them?

[TheChillFactor]

i suspect there will be some trades around the first week of october, and that we'll be trying to do some sort of consolidation trade.

the guys at various price points make it much easier to put something together.

[Chinook]

Wait. Cut Forbes or jock? I mean why would we sign if we are just going to cut in a months time. Why don't we just not sign them?

Unless we hear Forbes is only a min deal, he's absolutely not going to be cut. Folks are just being butt-hurt or pretending to be because they think it's funny. Landale isn't guaranteed a roster spot. I think he has an inside track, but he's closer to Jimmer in 2015, where he should make the cut but might not if someone like Aminu shows his old self and Eubanks holds it down.

[dbestpro]

I would prefer Primo play overseas and get a little seasoning to real basketball rather than YMCA little leagues. Same goes for Weiskamp.

[Chinook]

Playing overseas probably isn't going to be a thing for Domestic players. First, it's not a good thing for them or the other teams. Second, no one should be expected to pass up money for the Spurs to save roster spots. Third, the Spurs need to actually develop their talent rather than try to send it somewhere else for that. Primo should be in the rotation, though Forbes signing probably prevents that. Give him a defined role and let him work on the other parts of his game in practice. The Spurs don't have the talent to send the guys they believe in away from the team to get better.

[Dex]

Wait. Cut Forbes or jock? I mean why would we sign if we are just going to cut in a months time. Why don't we just not sign them?

Wishful thinking from SpursTalk fans, especially in Forbes' case.

Forbes and Jock will not be cut.

I think they will let the current crew go through training camp...and like I said, I see Hutchison and Aminu on the outs.

[exstatic]

I would prefer Primo play overseas and get a little seasoning to real basketball rather than YMCA little leagues. Same goes for Weiskamp.

They’ve both already signed their deals, Primo his first rounder deal, and Wieskamp his two way deal. You wishes are not granted.

[Mr. Body]

I would prefer Primo play overseas and get a little seasoning to real basketball rather than YMCA little leagues. Same goes for Weiskamp.

lol wut

[Fusternino]

No new details on KBD deal? Two-way, again?

[The Truth #6]

Trades are more likely to exacerbate the roster crunch than improve it. Eubanks, Samanic and even SOB are fighting with Aminu and Hutch for spots.

Losing Luka and/or Drew because we picked up a player in a trade that we most likely don’t really want (Hutchison, Aminu) seems like a complete failure. And the time we’ve put into those players, who are still improving, is valuable. Of course things don’t work out, nor should we be married to middling talent, but again, your interpretation suggests a major issue. We jump into the Dinwiddie trade and take on Hutchison to get a second round pick, but in the process we lose Luka? What?That’s really bad.

Of course we’re not there yet. And not sure if you’re being facetious. But yikes.

[Fusternino]

Portland doesn't have many guys signed. Didn't someone else post about them being interested in Eubanks?

[Chinook]

Losing Luka and/or Drew because we picked up a player in a trade that we most likely don’t really want (Hutchison, Aminu) seems like a complete failure. And the time we’ve put into those players, who are still improving, is valuable. Of course things don’t work out, nor should we be married to middling talent, but again, your interpretation suggests a major issue. We jump into the Dinwiddie trade and take on Hutchison to get a second round pick, but in the process we lose Luka? What?That’s really bad.

Of course we’re not there yet. And not sure if you’re being facetious. But yikes.

It's not about losing Luka. It'd be about Samanic not being one of the best 15 guys on the roster. How that happens is irrelevant. If he can't beat out Hutch and Aminu despite having two years in the system, he's not a big loss. Of course, I expect him to do just that and stay on the team. But the Spurs should give all of the guys a real chance to make the team, not just the guys we want to make it.

[The Truth #6]

It's not about losing Luka. It'd be about Samanic not being one of the best 15 guys on the roster. How that happens is irrelevant. If he can't beat out Hutch and Aminu despite having two years in the system, he's not a big loss. Of course, I expect him to do just that and stay on the team. But the Spurs should give all of the guys a real chance to make the team, not just the guys we want to make it.

My point isn’t about meritocracy but money, and perhaps the team trying to save money at the expense of talent.

[Uriel]

Forbes should just never have been signed in the first place. Then you could just cut Hutchinson and call it a day.

[exstatic]

People act like Eubanks is some up and comer. He’s barely a replacement level player, and took a fairly substantial step backwards last year, his FG% dropping from 64 to 57. I like Drew, but he’s likely cut #2. I’m not even sure he’s a legit NBA rotation player.

[cd021]

Hutchison won’t play here. He’s been a problem child at both stops to date. Spurs Twitter didn’t welcome him. He’ll either be salary ballast, or he’ll be waived.

I think it’s likely that Young is traded. He has value, and his advanced stats range from passable to pretty good. If we can’t find a taker before the season, he’ll play. He’ll probably have to come off the bench, though, as a DJ, Thad, Poodle grouping would kill spacing.

I think if it comes down to cuts, it will be Hutchison, and one of Eubanks or Landale, because cheap. Hopefully, we can make a many to few trade to compress the roster.

Why would they keep Amunu and cut Eubanks or Landale? Eubanks was better than Aminu last season and is making the minimum next season and the season after. Landale actually gives the Spurs good depth at center.

I could understand packaging Aminu given his salary but it probably makes more since to just waive him. Young will probably be traded by the deadline, so Hutchinson seems like the other player cut.

[cd021]

Seems like there’s jackshit left to discuss. The only remaining question mark seems to be which two players will get excised from the team.

People mention Hutchison and Aminu, but that’s a good deal of money. People mention Eubanks and Landale but that feels idiotic.

I would think Young should be traded immediately but Pop may actually start him to help him get his needed wins.

Thoughts?

I mean it would only be for this season so I don't really consider it to be dead money. The reason the Spurs got three picks, including a first was likely because they agreed to take Aminu back (knowing that they'd likely eat the $10 million and waive him). The Spurs also got a good second round pick (likely from the Pistons) to take on Hutchinson (knowing that they'd also waive him).

I'd be surprised if it were anyone other than Aminu and Hutchinson.

[KingKev]

This roster is so horrible the real goal should be to showcase talent and sell high while limiting long term cap flexibility. Not Spurs culture I know but that is another discussion. Whoever looks good in training camp stays. The bottom two are cut, traded, waived, beheaded who cares. This is a logical way to approach a roster that has 10 borderline NBA players. Survival of the fittest.

Pure logic would replace B Wright TODAY and tell Coach Pop this is his swan song so enjoy it.

[SAGirl]

Why would they keep Amunu and cut Eubanks or Landale? Eubanks was better than Aminu last season and is making the minimum next season and the season after. Landale actually gives the Spurs good depth at center.

I could understand packaging Aminu given his salary but it probably makes more since to just waive him. Young will probably be traded by the deadline, so Hutchinson seems like the other player cut.
I think it doesn't matter that Eubanks is on a better deal bc Aminu is already on the team. This isn't a situation where you are shopping for a FA. It's which dead salary would you rather have on your books, bc Aminu is going to get paid regardless. It comes down to whether or not he can play after rehabbing. If he's done as a playee then he's just a bad contract that the Spurs will have to waive like they did Carroll.

[SAGirl]

I mean it would only be for this season so I don't really consider it to be dead money. The reason the Spurs got three picks, including a first was likely because they agreed to take Aminu back (knowing that they'd likely eat the $10 million and waive him). The Spurs also got a good second round pick (likely from the Pistons) to take on Hutchinson (knowing that they'd also waive him).

I'd be surprised if it were anyone other than Aminu and Hutchinson.
This makes sense. The first round pick wasn't just for derozan, but in exchange for taking on dead salary in Aminu.

They may give these guys a chance to make the team bc it's good asset management. There are always training camp bodies brought in and these guys are already getting paid.

[Teamduncan21]

They should be already open to eat some money and waive. As they signed Forbes and jock after the trade. And continues to trade for Hutchinson. If they cared about the dead money or waiving. Then they would have stopped signing Forbes and even jock.

[Chinook]

People keep focusing on the money like that alone is the consideration. Aminu might be more useful as a trade piece than Eubanks or Landale or Samanic. He might also just be a better player than them. Hutchison has talent, and he could come into camp showing he's good enough for the Spurs to take that chance on. Yes, the Spurs should absolutely be willing to eat dead money to keep the best guys. But they aren't going to be obsessed with younger players just because.

The Spurs are rebuilding, and people keep clutching any player with any potential at all like the team is contending. They will draft plenty of guys with potential that they'll end up cutting on their way toward rebuilding their roster. They're looking at a lot of picks, and they're going at drafting -- it's just gonna happen. You have to be willing to accept that some of their cast-offs will have long NBA careers like James Johnson did. It's not a sign that the team is doing something wrong. If anything, the Spurs will be doing something wrong if they aren't constantly moving on from guys. They only have 15 roster spots (and two two-ways), and they should continue to take fliers on guys like Collins and Hutch in addition to their draft picks. They also want to have supporting vets. They simply don't have room to force guys like Sam and Eubanks into spots without them having to earn them.

[Fusternino]

A quarter of the league still is under 15 contracts: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/ (Sort by "Signed") There's room for deals with less players coming back. I'd imagine the Spurs would try to find Eubanks a way to save face and just trade him to another team for cash (or whatever) if needs be. I really don't see the reasoning behind waiving Aminu at all. He plays at a position of need and might as well see what he does in training camp. Spurs IG already welcomed him as well.

[cd021]

I think it doesn't matter that Eubanks is on a better deal bc Aminu is already on the team. This isn't a situation where you are shopping for a FA. It's which dead salary would you rather have on your books, bc Aminu is going to get paid regardless. It comes down to whether or not he can play after rehabbing. If he's done as a playee then he's just a bad contract that the Spurs will have to waive like they did Carroll.

The Aminu situation isn't like Carroll's at all though. I think the Spurs knew that they were going to just waive Aminu at some point. They agreed to take him back in exchange for extra picks. His salary hit really doesn't matter beyond this upcoming season. Meanwhile Carrol got brought out and still had to pay him for two years. No ones going to kill the Spurs for cutting Aminu. I think people know that's why he was included in the deal.

Eubanks deal is guaranteed so he's on the team too. He's on a the cheapest deal possible, is already outperforming his deal and is still getting better. Cutting him for Aminu or Hutchinson would be even worse than bringing back Forbes in my opinion.

[cd021]

This makes sense. The first round pick wasn't just for derozan, but in exchange for taking on dead salary in Aminu.

They may give these guys a chance to make the team bc it's good asset management. There are always training camp bodies brought in and these guys are already getting paid.
Sure, they may bring everyone into camp and go through training camp and preseason, though I still think the results will be the same.

I don't think asset management has anything to do with it though. Waiving Young, Eubanks, or Landale would be poor asset management. Letting Aminu and Hutch go was also seemingly the game plan considering the trades in which they were acquired..

[Fusternino]

How is Hutchinson a SF and yet not even at 65% on his FTs?

Really putrid advanced stats. Worse than LWIV.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

How is Hutchinson a SF and yet not even at 65% on his FTs?

Really putrid advanced stats. Worse than LWIV.

:vomit:

[SAGirl]

Sure, they may bring everyone into camp and go through training camp and preseason, though I still think the results will be the same.

I don't think asset management has anything to do with it though. Waiving Young, Eubanks, or Landale would be poor asset management. Letting Aminu and Hutch go was also seemingly the game plan considering the trades in which they were acquired..
I never mentioned Young or Landale tbh.

[The Truth #6]

Just to clarify, I see no situation where Aminu in his broken down form is worth keeping over a player who is better than him. I don’t want the Spurs to try and start pinching pennies and cut a better, cheaper player. That’s all Im really saying. If Hutch somehow earns a roster spot than we’ll assume he somehow miraculously improved and was better than Walker, or whatever. But this logic has its limits. Primo is 18 years old. If Hutch outplays Primo in camp, are we really cutting Primo? Of course not. We’re still trying to develop players.

[SAGirl]

Just to clarify, I see no situation where Aminu in his broken down form is worth keeping over a player who is better than him. I don’t want the Spurs to try and start pinching pennies and cut a better, cheaper player. That’s all Im really saying. If Hutch somehow earns a roster spot than we’ll assume he somehow miraculously improved and was better than Walker, or whatever. But this logic has its limits. Primo is 18 years old. If Hutch outplays Primo in camp, are we really cutting Primo? Of course not. We’re still trying to develop players.
Nobody is even bringing Primo into this scenario, but you.

[exstatic]

Nobody is even bringing Primo into this scenario, but you.

Hysteria. Let’s make the dumbest possible case.

[Chinook]

Just to clarify, I see no situation where Aminu in his broken down form is worth keeping over a player who is better than him. I don’t want the Spurs to try and start pinching pennies and cut a better, cheaper player. That’s all Im really saying. If Hutch somehow earns a roster spot than we’ll assume he somehow miraculously improved and was better than Walker, or whatever. But this logic has its limits. Primo is 18 years old. If Hutch outplays Primo in camp, are we really cutting Primo? Of course not. We’re still trying to develop players.

So the Spurs aren't trying to do one specific thing. They are trying to build the best team they can across the present and the future. If Landale beats out Eubanks, then Drew being better than AFA doesn't really matter. Poeltl and SOB would be blocking him out in the present, while Collins is coming up behind him in the future. So it comes down to what's more valuable: Having Drew as depth or keeping Aminu's expiring alive. Even assuming AFA is not going to recover at all, you can make the argument that picking him to stay gives the team a better path to improving, especially if they trade Eubanks for an asset rather than cutting him outright. I also think you're framing the whole thing wrong when you say the Spurs cutting a cheaper player is "pinching pennies". They aren't actually saving any money by doing that. If anything, the thing that might save the most money is cutting Young and having a team give him a decent deal to set off some of Thad's salary. No one is talking about that, because it obviously doesn't make sense.

Primo wouldn't be cut for Hutch or anyone else. But why would Walker, Sam, Eubanks or Landale get spots if they're beat out by Chandler? They're all youngish players with built-in team control. None of them should feel completely safe, even if they do win their battles, since there's still a roster crunch at spots like C and PF.

[cd021]

I never mentioned Young or Landale tbh.

I know, just saying in general.

[SAGirl]

Hysteria. Let’s make the dumbest possible case.
I don’t know where this went tbh. All of a sudden

[WaywardTexan]

Poeltl and SOB would be blocking him out

I’m new. Who is SOB?

[Chinook]

I’m new. Who is SOB?

Landale.

[The Truth #6]

Nobody is even bringing Primo into this scenario, but you.

Right. I’m discussing hypotheticals in a conversation with Chinook about how the FO could approach the roster dilemma. Did you not catch that part?

[SAGirl]

Right. I’m discussing hypotheticals in a conversation with Chinook about how the FO could approach the roster dilemma. Did you not catch that part? Your reply was to me, not to Chinook so it didn't make sense to me that you'd bring something up that I never mentioned... (Or Chinook bc no one discussed Primo.) I think you just added him in for drama to make a point but it just complicates the subject. This is more likely about Eubanks, and maybe Luka. I do think the team wants to see what Landale has in real games so unless he was absolutely awful (unlikely) they will keep him. Someone else mentioned Young and if he's waived it will be after the trade deadline bc he wants to go to a contender and the Spurs have been sucking--that's still to be played out. It wouldn't make sense for him to get waived now, he's a trade asset all the way to the trade deadline.

Anyways, I think at least Aminu -- I don't know about Hutchison -- will get a real chance to make the team. That's all I am saying. That does mean if someone else on the edges doesn't bring his A game they could be beat.

However, most likely Aminu's knee is busted beyond getting in playing shape. I just wouldn't assume that without knowing it. I didn't know this b4 but he's had two arthroscopic surgeries on a knee that he got a meniscus repair surgery on. It's a potential career ender. He likely can't play and that just makes things much easier on the others that are still competing for minutes, but if he could play I don't think they just waive him bc they already have Eubanks or whomever.

Hutchison isn't and hasn't been a good player, but if he's brought to training camp I think the Spurs will give him a chance to make the team. He's not an old established player, So maybe he's been working on his game privately and shows something. We don't know.

[The Truth #6]

Your reply was to me, not to Chinook so it didn't make sense to me that you'd bring something up that I never mentioned... (Or Chinook bc no one discussed Primo.) I think you just added him in for drama to make a point but it just complicates the subject. This is more likely about Eubanks, and maybe Luka. I do think the team wants to see what Landale has in real games so unless he was absolutely awful (unlikely) they will keep him. Someone else mentioned Young and if he's waived it will be after the trade deadline bc he wants to go to a contender and the Spurs have been sucking--that's still to be played out. It wouldn't make sense for him to get waived now, he's a trade asset all the way to the trade deadline.

Anyways, I think at least Aminu -- I don't know about Hutchison -- will get a real chance to make the team. That's all I am saying. That does mean if someone else on the edges doesn't bring his A game they could be beat.

However, most likely Aminu's knee is busted beyond getting in playing shape. I just wouldn't assume that without knowing it. I didn't know this b4 but he's had two arthroscopic surgeries on a knee that he got a meniscus repair surgery on. It's a potential career ender. He likely can't play and that just makes things much easier on the others that are still competing for minutes, but if he could play I don't think they just waive him bc they already have Eubanks or whomever.

Hutchison isn't and hasn't been a good player, but if he's brought to training camp I think the Spurs will give him a chance to make the team. He's not an old established player, So maybe he's been working on his game privately and shows something. We don't know.

Seems like a misunderstanding. I didn't directly quote you in a response. I happened to write a post after you did, which I don't see as the same thing as responding to you. This conversation I think is going in circles at this point. I'm not in favor of cutting Primo, which is what I clearly stated. Again, I was clarifying my previous posts, which mostly had been in response to Chinook, whom I was exchanging ideas with. Regardless, my point, again, is that I don't see the complete validity of an "open training camp" where everyone is competing for a spot, because to me it doesn't make sense, for example, to move on from a player with a better trajectory (Eubanks) for a player with a bum knee who is a veteran that isn't really needed on this team, and likely won't make it through one season, even if he shines for a few days in training camp. Anyway, as for the drama that you perceive, again, I was having a conversation with Chinook who does make nuanced, complicated posts. Honestly, I prefer a complicated argument than what usually transpires around here. But hey, that's perhaps just me.

[talkspurs]

So I will trow out something.

We trade the 3 new people (young, amaniu, and hutchinson) to Cleveland for Love and a first top 3 protected.

This would save the cavs a year off of loves deal even if they cut everyone. they are already looking to move him and may cut him so saveing a year of salary would be big. I also believe they think they will make the PO this year. They also are still showing they are willing to make bad trade ( just tradded Nance for Lauri). I think they could keep all the players and not have to cut anyone so if one would turn out good they would have the time to find it. They also could still move young possibly for a 1st rd pick so they may end up just move down in the draft.

Spurs do ti mostly for the pick. would also give us the 3 pt shooting PF (if we even play him). It would also lock up our cap space for 2 years when the next FA class should hit. Dont think he has much trade value but neither did horford and he played and got traded.

[SAGirl]

^ Not a bad idea, with as many shooting big projects as the Spurs have signed recently I wonder why they haven’t looked at this sooner, and it’s probably bc Cleveland doesn’t want to yield a pick to dump Love somewhere.

[cjw]

Aminu’s $10 million cap number as an expiring is too valuable to cut. Hutchinson will be cut well before him at just $4 million. And I’d rather get rid of Eubanks who is at best an end of roster guy.

Aminu isn’t valued by anyone in the league at this point, but is a huge chip to help facilitate other trades as soon as he can be aggregated. Doesn’t even have to be a trade the Spurs are a centerpiece of. They can throw him in and take back money beyond this year and get a pick attached to it.

Is the roster cut deadline before or after Young, Aminu and Hutchinson can be aggregated into trades?

[exstatic]

Aminu’s $10 million cap number as an expiring is too valuable to cut. Hutchinson will be cut well before him at just $4 million. And I’d rather get rid of Eubanks who is at best an end of roster guy.

Aminu isn’t valued by anyone in the league at this point, but is a huge chip to help facilitate other trades as soon as he can be aggregated. Doesn’t even have to be a trade the Spurs are a centerpiece of. They can throw him in and take back money beyond this year and get a pick attached to it.

Is the roster cut deadline before or after Young, Aminu and Hutchinson can be aggregated into trades?

So
Much
This

[Chinook]

Aminu’s $10 million cap number as an expiring is too valuable to cut. Hutchinson will be cut well before him at just $4 million. And I’d rather get rid of Eubanks who is at best an end of roster guy.

Aminu isn’t valued by anyone in the league at this point, but is a huge chip to help facilitate other trades as soon as he can be aggregated. Doesn’t even have to be a trade the Spurs are a centerpiece of. They can throw him in and take back money beyond this year and get a pick attached to it.

Is the roster cut deadline before or after Young, Aminu and Hutchinson can be aggregated into trades?

There's no trade restriction on any of those players, because the Spurs were under the cap when they acquired all of them. They've been able to aggregate them since the second those trades went through. Even if that wasn't the case, yes, the cut-down deadline is after the 60-day period would've passed, had it been applicable.

[KingKev]

There's no trade restriction on any of those players, because the Spurs were under the cap when they acquired all of them. They've been able to aggregate them since the second those trades went through. Even if that wasn't the case, yes, the cut-down deadline is after the 60-day period would've passed, had it been applicable.

Appreciate the knowledge here. Aminu as a trade chip means taking on longer term money. We’d have to package him with someone like Walker to realize anything material. Pretty confident if he can’t hold his own in training camp he is out the door.

[TD 21]

^ Not a bad idea, with as many shooting big projects as the Spurs have signed recently I wonder why they haven’t looked at this sooner, and it’s probably bc Cleveland doesn’t want to yield a pick to dump Love somewhere.

Yeah, the only issue would probably be the protection. The Cavaliers almost certainly wouldn't go top 3 or even 5 because of the liklihood that they could still easily land in that range.



Aminu’s $10 million cap number as an expiring is too valuable to cut. Hutchinson will be cut well before him at just $4 million. And I’d rather get rid of Eubanks who is at best an end of roster guy.

Aminu isn’t valued by anyone in the league at this point, but is a huge chip to help facilitate other trades as soon as he can be aggregated. Doesn’t even have to be a trade the Spurs are a centerpiece of. They can throw him in and take back money beyond this year and get a pick attached to it.

Is the roster cut deadline before or after Young, Aminu and Hutchinson can be aggregated into trades?

Probably depends on the projected timeline for Collins and their perception of Landale. If December/January wasn't just agent speak and or they view the latter as closer to a legit than fringe NBA player, the need to carry four centers lessens if not dissipates.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

It’s true. They’re losing more than tanking. Forbes is the poster boy of that strategy.



I don't know. If I had a team and was looking to tank the season, Forbes' agent would be my first call.

[Dex]

I don't know. If I had a team and was looking to tank the season, Forbes' agent would be my first call.

Yep. Obviously Forbes has a bad reputation around these parts (as a player, not as a person)...but I have a feeling that the casual fans aren't as hard on him. They just see a gutsy young guy trying his hardest and who makes threes which people like, and the media can play off his "recent championship experience".

Basically, it's a move to satisfy the fan base and keep them engaged even though it's probably going to end up with more numbers in the loss column. If you are going to tank, it's best to still have guys that people will root for.

Or maybe I am just trying way too hard to rationalize why the hell the Spurs brought him back.

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Your reply was to me, not to Chinook so it didn't make sense to me that you'd bring something up that I never mentioned... (Or Chinook bc no one discussed Primo.) I think you just added him in for drama to make a point but it just complicates the subject. This is more likely about Eubanks, and maybe Luka. I do think the team wants to see what Landale has in real games so unless he was absolutely awful (unlikely) they will keep him. Someone else mentioned Young and if he's waived it will be after the trade deadline bc he wants to go to a contender and the Spurs have been sucking--that's still to be played out. It wouldn't make sense for him to get waived now, he's a trade asset all the way to the trade deadline.

Anyways, I think at least Aminu -- I don't know about Hutchison -- will get a real chance to make the team. That's all I am saying. That does mean if someone else on the edges doesn't bring his A game they could be beat.

However, most likely Aminu's knee is busted beyond getting in playing shape. I just wouldn't assume that without knowing it. I didn't know this b4 but he's had two arthroscopic surgeries on a knee that he got a meniscus repair surgery on. It's a potential career ender. He likely can't play and that just makes things much easier on the others that are still competing for minutes, but if he could play I don't think they just waive him bc they already have Eubanks or whomever.

Hutchison isn't and hasn't been a good player, but if he's brought to training camp I think the Spurs will give him a chance to make the team. He's not an old established player, So maybe he's been working on his game privately and shows something. We don't know.

Not a chance in hell they waive Samanic. Not a chance in hell.

[exstatic]

Not a chance in hell they waive Samanic. Not a chance in hell.

He was two years away when drafted. This is the first year you can expect him to show something.

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He was two years away when drafted. This is the first year you can expect him to show something.

yup. he already showed flashes defensively last year. and now given his physique I'm hoping he starts to go hard to the basket. if he does that, plays solid defense, and starts to become more consistent from the 3, then we have a player who is still 21.

that's how you build a long term playoff team.

just no way a team like the spurs cuts that.

I may be misplaced but I'm all in on Luka and expect big things from him starting this season.

[Chinook]

The Spurs have a lot of prospects now. They all have reasons not to "give up on them" yet. Part of rebuilding is accepting you'll let go of guys who will become decent or good NBA players. O expect Sam to make the team, but I don't think his lock-case is very strong, especially if he gets beat out in pre-season

[Maddog]

Per Shams Phoenix among others are interested in Young

[The Truth #6]

The Spurs have a lot of prospects now. They all have reasons not to "give up on them" yet. Part of rebuilding is accepting you'll let go of guys who will become decent or good NBA players. O expect Sam to make the team, but I don't think his lock-case is very strong, especially if he gets beat out in pre-season

Interesting. I don’t see it that way. Or, I don’t see the benefit of letting a one-week performance of, say, Aminu make me think that his broke down body is worth betting on, more so than a player that is young and improving. An injury-ravaged player is inconsistent in production, too. And to what end? Win three more games and get the 10th spot instead of the 11th.

Now, if you said Aminu’s contract was a better asset for a trade for a larger piece then maybe I could see your point. That could, perhaps, be a legitimate reason to cut bait. But I don’t see how it can be both—a short sighted meritocratic training camp decision making process, AND a move to cut a young player for the pursuit of a larger piece. The two approaches seem antithetical. Now, perhaps you aren’t advocating the latter. If so, my bad.

[jjspur]

A number of moves are made right before the season officially starts. Teams that have to make one last roster cut or teams that have only 13-14 players are usually active just waiting for that one last piece to add. Maybe the spurs can patiently wait for such a situation (cuts) .
But if worse come to worse, the spurs will probably waive Amino and Hutchinson. Sux that they still have to pay them for not playing.
I'd say the rest of the players have more immediate value than Amino and Hutchinson. Maybe the spurs will surprise us with a minimal trade or surprise cut of someone we all think is better. Only Pop and the front office know for sure.

[exstatic]

Hutch <- unsuitable
Eubanks or Landale <- cheap.

They’ll keep the larger ending contracts like Aminu and Thad until the February trade deadline, hoping to get in on some big value trades. They’re not doing the Phoenix deal, because their pick will be garbage, Saric will miss the season with a torn ACL, and Jalen Smith is a big nothingburger who’s contract runs to 2024.

[CGD]

We’re getting Simmons and that will trim the herd :-)

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We’re getting Simmons and that will trim the herd :-)

wishful thinking. Hope PATFO aren't stupid enough to give out a bunch of talent and picks for a player that's very likely to bolt at the 1st chance they can

[SAGirl]

Hutch <- unsuitable
Eubanks or Landale <- cheap.

They’ll keep the larger ending contracts like Aminu and Thad until the February trade deadline, hoping to get in on some big value trades. They’re not doing the Phoenix deal, because their pick will be garbage, Saric will miss the season with a torn ACL, and Jalen Smith is a big nothingburger who’s contract runs to 2024.
This is interesting, you see the competition in training camp as between Landale and Eubanks. I hadn’t thought about it like that but it makes sense.

[dbestpro]

Per Shams Phoenix among others are interested in Young

Trade him for a first round pick. Players like Young or Tucker can be seen as that one final piece.

[exstatic]

Trade him for a first round pick. Players like Young or Tucker can be seen as that one final piece.

Unfortunately, they can’t absorb Thad’s contract, so they’ll have to send back ballast, and supposedly, that’s Saric, who’s lost for the season with an ACL, and Jalen Smith, who putting it mildly, stiffed for a top 10 pick. That also worsens our “too many players on the roster” problem.

[The Truth #6]

I understand some people being ok with Eubanks leaving unceremoniously.

Personally, I’ve grown to like him as a player. I’m curious to see if his work with Chip paid off.

Part of my issue is that I think he’s perhaps better than Zollins when healthy (other posters who followed Zollins suggested this), and I think he is better than Aminu, who is also hobbled.

So, do people trust Wright to make a big trade involving Aminu work? Sure, it’s possible. But this could also end up in buyouts after the trade deadline, which would be a failure in my opinion.

Obviously, there’s a needed risk in all of this in order to make a bigger move. But hey, I guess I just like Drew on the team.

I can’t really imagine what big trade would be out there. My guess: they hope for Lillard to want out and try to weasel their way to get McCollum while Portland transitions, but I’m totally throwing darts on the wall. I really don’t see any big moves for the Spurs. It would more likely be slight asset improvements.

[KingKev]

Down to Aminu, Jock and Eubanks now.

I’m pretty sure Jock is in. If Aminu shows anything during training camp he might be worth holding on to as a reclamation project or salary matching piece in a trade. If no trades are made before the season begins I’m thinking it’s Eubanks.

[BillMc]

I haven't been on here much lately. Has anyone been cut? It seems a player is gone but who?

EDIT: Just saw Hutch is gone.

[KingKev]

I haven't been on here much lately. Has anyone been cut? It seems a player is gone but who?

Huthison

[BillMc]

Huthison

Thanks. No surprise there, I guess.

[Fusternino]

This is assuming KBD was re-signed to a two way.

I think Eubanks can be dumped to Portland when helping facilitate a Lillard trade.

[KingKev]

This is assuming KBD was re-signed to a two way.

I think Eubanks can be dumped to Portland when helping facilitate a Lillard trade.

I don’t think KBD can be signed as a 2way as this is his 4th yr in the league. Either way 2way contracts count towards the 17 roster spots and we have 18 players after Hutchison was waived.

Actually KBD should he added to the Aminu, Jock, Eubanks debate as the final cut if no trades are made.