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genghisrex
05-21-2003, 12:45 AM
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Telebasket Profile (http://superguide.telebasket.com/player_info.asp?id_player=13976)

Year of Birth: 1982
Height ft: 6' 6"
Height cm: 198
Position: Small Forward
Other Position: Shooting Guard
Nation: Italy
Other nation: Argentina
Now playing In: Nuovo Basket Viola Reggio '98 (Italy)

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NBADraft.net Profile (http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/carlosdelfino.htm)

Carlos Delfino
Birthdate: 8/29/82
NBA Position: SG/SF
Ht: 6-7
Wt: 191
European Team: Fortitudo Bologna
Hometown: Santa Fe, Argentina

NBA Comparison: Emanuel Ginobili

Strengths: Has excellent size, scoring ability for the NBA shooting guard position. Defense is his biggest attribute. Very precocious feel for the game. One of the top international prospects in his age group.

Notes: Declared early for the 2001 NBA draft at the age of 19 before withdrawing his name from the draft. Has been among the top South American prospect of his age group for the past few years, with excellent showings in Under 20 International competitions. Plays professionally in Italy for Reggio Calabria, whom he is under contract with through 2002. In Italy, Delfino is often compared to Italian Emanuel Ginobili who is one of the top players in Europe today.

Carlos Delfino is a very good player. He can play both SF and SG, but prefers to play SG. Great athlete, great body, not overly quick. He drives very well, and he's a marksman, but he must improve his shot selection. He's erratic from three, and not a great free throw shooter (80%). (In the US this would be considered very good) Defensively he's good. Tremendous on-ball defender, very good off-ball defender. Average passer, very good rebounder. He plays for Viola, which isn't a very good team...so he has to be tested on a upper level. He never played in Euroleague, never played in Finals (at any level). He just plays every year to avoid the relegation.

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I'm curious to see how accurate the Manu comparison is and how much of it's simply based on the fact that he's an athletic Argentinian shooting guard playing in Italy. I've read that he's not quite as quick or athletic as Ginobili, but don't know if that's true or not. Delfino obviously doesn't have Manu's resume of Euroleague and other international success either.

Check out the video clips on this (http://www.fortitudo.it/fortitudo/eng/from_news.php?page=highlights_players.php?id=11) page. In the second video -- "Slam Dunk on Barcelona" -- Delfino does look Manu-esque...

The only thing better than having one Manu would be having two. :hat

genghisrex
05-21-2003, 03:43 AM
Some more pics:

http://media.telebasket.com/pics/35473_m400.jpg

http://www.fortitudo.it/fortitudo/fotogallery/film_0203_a1_14_vs_oregon_010.jpghttp://www.fortitudo.it/fortitudo/fotogallery/album_0203_delfino_002.jpg
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Reading through the forums at Basketballboards.net (http://www.basketballboards.net/), which is loosely affiliated with NBADraft.net, it looks like several people in the "know" (i.e. that have seen Delfino) object to the Ginobili comparison. Here are some of the descriptions from over there (they run hot and cold):


please don't compare him to ginobili!!!

he is very very gifted athletically and an amazing rebounder for his size. good defender
unfortunately (now) there's not much else that he can do
he doesn't have great fundamentals, he is not a great shooter and not even a great passer; his jumpshot is average but basically i'd say that his major problem is:he just doesn't have soft hands

he doesn't impress me muchLink to thread (http://www.basketballboards.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22675&highlight=Delfino)


My thoughts on the dude: he's been compared to fellow Argentinian Ginobili, but I don't really like that comparison.
He is a mostly a slasher that moves well without the rock and likes to penetrate when he has it. He is a pretty good one on one defender, much much better than Ginobili, and he is not as light as him either. On the offensive end, he does not have a reliable outside shot, plain and simple. He needs to work on it. His passing skills are also less developped than Gino's, but at least he plays under control.
However, it's hard to judge him currently as he is playing with one of the best Italian team (Skipper Bologna) that is very deep. It's clear though that he could be the man on a less talent-ridden team.
Stats in 11 Euroleague games:

30 minutes per game
10.9 points per game
50% shooting from 2 point range
28.2% from 3 point range: not a good outside shooter
1.2 Turnovers per game: not many TOs
6.6 rebounds per game: good rebounder for size

He's clearly a good player in that most rookies that go to the Euroleague don't start like he does or get 30 minutes of playing time. He is an above average athlete indicated by his rebounding stats at the shooting guard position or possibly at small forward. He probably is more of a slasher which is indicated by his good 2 point percentage compared to his low 3 point %. With the longer NBA 3, he undoubtedly won't be a great 3 point shooter there.
Clearly a 1st round pick when all is said and done.Link to thread (http://basketballboards.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17240&highlight=Delfino)


Delfino is actually a hair shy of 6-7 (a lot like how VC is listed at 6-7, even though he's like 6-6 and 7/8) . Delfino won't go before 15 though, he just doesn't have a shot outside 16 or 17 feet. He reminds me of Doug Christie in his early years minus the shot. He's a super defender and he's a creative scorer. But he does most of his scoring on dribble drives or in transition. I like him but he needs to play on a team with great shooters surrounding him. He could play for a team like the Kings but not for a team that relies on the SG for 3's.Link to thread (http://www.basketballboards.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18299&highlight=Delfino)

If he's available at #28, Delfino might be a great pick. I imagine the Spurs would leave him in Europe for a while, a la Manu, but I like the sound of his game -- athletic, defensive-oriented slasher. His shot sounds shaky, but that's something that can improve (especially if he spends some more time developing in Europe). Despite the above quotes to the contrary, he still sounds somewhat like Manu to me. He doesn't seem to have the playmaking skills of Ginobili, though, which would clearly be a difference.

It's hard to tell if Delfino will be available by the time the Spurs pick. Manu's success will definitely make other teams take a look at him, but there are lots of players coming out this year with first round potential and some solid 2/3 prospects outside of James and Anthony too (Diaw, Pietrus, Hayes, Wade, Gaines, Outlaw).

Nbadan
05-21-2003, 05:37 AM
I think Delfino is a decent player, but he's no Ginobili. Two things may effect where Delfino falls into the draft, if he does not decide to pull out by the deadline. The first thing that may have an effect is that Delfino plays on a very good Euro team, and since Euro players can't be released from their contractual obligations until the team they are on is eliminated from the playoffs, it may be along time before anyone who doesn't travel to Europe can actually see this guy play. Either way, the lack of scouting could make many teams skittish about Delfino, especially given that there are many other SF prospects in this years draft.

The other thing that may hurt Delfino is the fact that he injured ligaments in an leg less than two months ago, and although Italian sources claim the injury was not as serious as they first believed, this could make many teams nervous. Delfino meanwhile has returned to the team for the playoffs.

Seriously though, if the Spurs want to use their first round pick on a SF prospect they should take a look at Victor Khryapa who many scouts compare favorably to Jazz sensation Andrei Kirilenko. Khryapa would fit into POP's system(plays good defense), and this kid is tall, long and athletic.

Other SF's who may still be available at 28 include Maciej Lampe, Boris Diaw, Hakim Warrick, David West, Zarko Cabarkapa, Josh Howard, and Charlie Villanueva.

genghisrex
05-21-2003, 01:30 PM
If Khryapa drops to us, I agree that he sounds like a good SF prospect.

As for the other guys:

Lampe will probably go in the lottery.

Diaw's stock has risen considerably since last year, when we could possibly have stolen him late (Utah and Detroit were interested to, though, so maybe not). I doubt that he escapes the mid-first round.

Warrick didn't declare -- he's headed back to Syracuse.

West is more of a tweener PF than a SF.

Cabarkapa sounds interesting, but I'm skeptical of a 6'11 SF falling to #28. Big SFs are "in" so if he's available, he's probably either very raw or not very good.

I've never seen Howard play, but I've read good things about him.

Villanueva is a great prospect, but he's not ready to play in the NBA.

Honestly, if I'm taking a prospect, I'd rather take an international player, who can be left overseas for a couple years to develop and won't count against the cap during that period (as long as he's under contract with another team). Someone like Villanueva could, though, get drafted by the Spurs and then play a year or two of college ball.

Under the new rules, the Spurs would retain his rights and he could develop a little more before we would bring him in. That's not a bad scenario, although it'd probably be a hard sell to get a H.S. player to go to college if they have guaranteed first round draft money staring them in the face. I'm also not sure how that affects the cap. First round draft picks automatically count against the cap unless they're under contract with another team so, while we wouldn't be paying him in college, he wouldn't be under contract there either. I assume that once the player decides to go to college his cap hold disappears, but I don't know that for certain.