Emanuel David “Manu” Ginobili will be a 1st Ballot HOF

[John B]

https://youtu.be/UySuufDRF20




4× NBA champion (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_champion) (2003 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NBA_Finals), 2005 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NBA_Finals), 2007 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NBA_Finals), 2014 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NBA_Finals))
2× NBA All-Star (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star) (2005 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NBA_All-Star_Game), 2011 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NBA_All-Star_Game))
2× All-NBA Third Team (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Third_Team) (2008 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season), 2011 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_NBA_season))
NBA Sixth Man of the Year (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Sixth_Man_of_the_Year_Award) (2008 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season))
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Rookie_Second_Team) (2003 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%80%9303_NBA_season))
EuroLeague (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroLeague) champion (2001 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Euroleague_Finals))
EuroLeague Finals MVP (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroLeague_Final_Four_MVP) (2001 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Euroleague_Finals))
2× EuroLeague Finals Top Scorer (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroLeague_Finals_Top_Scorer) (2001, 2002 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Euroleague_Final_Four))
All-EuroLeague First Team (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-EuroLeague_Teams) (2002 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001%E2%80%9302_Euroleague))
Italian League (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Basket_Serie_A) champion (2001)
2× Italian Cup (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Basketball_Cup) winner (2001, 2002)
2× Italian League MVP (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Basket_Serie_A_MVP) (2001, 2002)
Italian Cup (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Basketball_Cup) MVP (2002)
Italian League (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lega_Basket_Serie_A_season_steals_leaders) steals leader (2002)
3× Italian League All-Star (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Basket_All_Star_Game) (1999, 2000, 2001)
Italian League All-Star Game Dunk Contest Champion (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Basket_All-Star_Game) (2001)
2× Olimpia de Oro (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olimpia_Award) (2003, 2004)
Diamond Konex Award (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konex_Award) (2010)
50 Greatest EuroLeague Contributors (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Greatest_EuroLeague_Contributors) (2008)
FIBA AmeriCup MVP (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_AmeriCup_Most_Valuable_Player) (2001 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_Americas_Championship_2001))
Summer Olympics Basketball Tournament MVP (2004)




Funny how NBA.com has Manu only at 20% probability, while Joe Johnson is at 50% chance of making it as a 1st ballot HOF :lmao. The rest are 1st-time eligibles. Regardless of the underwhelming list, Manu is locked :ihit

Joe Johnson, 50.6%
Manu Ginobili, 20.1%
David West, 1.4%
Zach Randolph, 0.9%
Jason Terry, 0.5%
Richard Jefferson, 0.4%
Josh Smith, 0.1%
Al Jefferson, 0%

[exstatic]

Based on his NBA career, he probably is at 20%. Pretty sure he goes in as an international candidate.

[Dex]

The only question is whether he will make it first ballot or not, but I agree that his NBA accolades coupled with international career (Olympic gold, Euroleague champion) will put him over the top.

[MultiTroll]

:lol Sniffers who think Aldridge is a 1st ballot and GNob is not.

[SpursforSix]

https://youtu.be/UySuufDRF20




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2× NBA All-Star (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star) (2005 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NBA_All-Star_Game), 2011 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NBA_All-Star_Game))
2× All-NBA Third Team (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Third_Team) (2008 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season), 2011 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_NBA_season))
NBA Sixth Man of the Year (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Sixth_Man_of_the_Year_Award) (2008 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season))
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Rookie_Second_Team) (2003 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%80%9303_NBA_season))
EuroLeague (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroLeague) champion (2001 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Euroleague_Finals))
EuroLeague Finals MVP (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroLeague_Final_Four_MVP) (2001 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Euroleague_Finals))
2× EuroLeague Finals Top Scorer (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroLeague_Finals_Top_Scorer) (2001, 2002 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Euroleague_Final_Four))
All-EuroLeague First Team (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-EuroLeague_Teams) (2002 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001%E2%80%9302_Euroleague))
Italian League (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Basket_Serie_A) champion (2001)
2× Italian Cup (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Basketball_Cup) winner (2001, 2002)
2× Italian League MVP (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Basket_Serie_A_MVP) (2001, 2002)
Italian Cup (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Basketball_Cup) MVP (2002)
Italian League (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lega_Basket_Serie_A_season_steals_leaders) steals leader (2002)
3× Italian League All-Star (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Basket_All_Star_Game) (1999, 2000, 2001)
Italian League All-Star Game Dunk Contest Champion (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Basket_All-Star_Game) (2001)
2× Olimpia de Oro (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olimpia_Award) (2003, 2004)
Diamond Konex Award (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konex_Award) (2010)
50 Greatest EuroLeague Contributors (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Greatest_EuroLeague_Contributors) (2008)
FIBA AmeriCup MVP (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_AmeriCup_Most_Valuable_Player) (2001 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_Americas_Championship_2001))
Summer Olympics Basketball Tournament MVP (2004)




Funny how NBA.com has Manu only at 20% probability, while Joe Johnson is at 50% chance of making it as a 1st ballot HOF :lmao. The rest are 1st-time eligibles. Regardless of the underwhelming list, Manu is locked :ihit

Joe Johnson, 50.6%
Manu Ginobili, 20.1%
David West, 1.4%
Zach Randolph, 0.9%
Jason Terry, 0.5%
Richard Jefferson, 0.4%
Josh Smith, 0.1%
Al Jefferson, 0%

Joe Johnson...wtf

[SpursforSix]

https://youtu.be/UySuufDRF20




4× NBA champion (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_champion) (2003 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NBA_Finals), 2005 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NBA_Finals), 2007 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NBA_Finals), 2014 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NBA_Finals))
2× NBA All-Star (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star) (2005 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NBA_All-Star_Game), 2011 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NBA_All-Star_Game))
2× All-NBA Third Team (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Third_Team) (2008 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season), 2011 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_NBA_season))
NBA Sixth Man of the Year (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Sixth_Man_of_the_Year_Award) (2008 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season))
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Rookie_Second_Team) (2003 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%80%9303_NBA_season))
EuroLeague (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroLeague) champion (2001 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Euroleague_Finals))
EuroLeague Finals MVP (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroLeague_Final_Four_MVP) (2001 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Euroleague_Finals))
2× EuroLeague Finals Top Scorer (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroLeague_Finals_Top_Scorer) (2001, 2002 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Euroleague_Final_Four))
All-EuroLeague First Team (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-EuroLeague_Teams) (2002 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001%E2%80%9302_Euroleague))
Italian League (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Basket_Serie_A) champion (2001)
2× Italian Cup (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Basketball_Cup) winner (2001, 2002)
2× Italian League MVP (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Basket_Serie_A_MVP) (2001, 2002)
Italian Cup (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Basketball_Cup) MVP (2002)
Italian League (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lega_Basket_Serie_A_season_steals_leaders) steals leader (2002)
3× Italian League All-Star (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Basket_All_Star_Game) (1999, 2000, 2001)
Italian League All-Star Game Dunk Contest Champion (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Basket_All-Star_Game) (2001)
2× Olimpia de Oro (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olimpia_Award) (2003, 2004)
Diamond Konex Award (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konex_Award) (2010)
50 Greatest EuroLeague Contributors (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Greatest_EuroLeague_Contributors) (2008)
FIBA AmeriCup MVP (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_AmeriCup_Most_Valuable_Player) (2001 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_Americas_Championship_2001))
Summer Olympics Basketball Tournament MVP (2004)




Funny how NBA.com has Manu only at 20% probability, while Joe Johnson is at 50% chance of making it as a 1st ballot HOF :lmao. The rest are 1st-time eligibles. Regardless of the underwhelming list, Manu is locked :ihit

Joe Johnson, 50.6%
Manu Ginobili, 20.1%
David West, 1.4%
Zach Randolph, 0.9%
Jason Terry, 0.5%
Richard Jefferson, 0.4%
Josh Smith, 0.1%
Al Jefferson, 0%

Also...am I missing something or did they forget to add "2004 Olympic Gold Medalist"?

[cd98]

Based on his NBA career, he probably is at 20%. Pretty sure he goes in as an international candidate.

That's probably still too low. But Joe Johnson at 50% and Manu at 20%? That's just ridiculous.

[Uriel]

Manu came off the bench for virtually his whole career and that played a huge role in him not having more individual accolades. If he had been featured as a first option, he could have had a career similar to James Harden's.

[cd98]

For Manu, I would also add that he introduced the EuroStep to the NBA, which is a move that is now common place, but was historic in that he brought it to the game.

[MultiTroll]

Josh Smith, 0.1%
So they're saying Josh Smiith has a chance.

[John B]

So they're saying Josh Smiith has a chance.
:lol Yup. But there was a time I wanted Spurs to get him, and I think they tried.

But besides Manu and maybe Joe Johnson, this is a pretty lame list.

[Teamduncan21]

joe johnson was a star player for a few years, put up high numbers and stuff. Manu while great played pretty selfless, off the bench etc. so i guess he appeared flashier, even tho manu is more talented than him

[el contusione]

If Ben Wallace and Paul Pierce can make it then there's no doubt Emanuel David GINOBILI can make it. I do agree that him coming off the bench and taking a selfless approach on offense has hampered his NBA career but what he has achieved internationally is unmatched. I'm glad HOF doesn't only look at a players NBA career.

Can't wait for Manu's induction! Hopefully Barkley will be in the audience shouting GINOBILIIIIIIIIIII

[daslicer]

That's probably still too low. But Joe Johnson at 50% and Manu at 20%? That's just ridiculous.

I think they are weighing Joe Johnson's all-star appearances heavily in this. Joe made it to the all-star game 7 times while Manu only made it twice.

[ismael-robert]

Also...am I missing something or did they forget to add "2004 Olympic Gold Medalist"?

You're missing something

[Drom John]

NBA.com is using basketball-reference.com
NBA & ABA Leaders and Records for Hall of Fame Probability (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html)
Explanation of Hall of Fame probablity (https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/hof_prob.html)


Keep in mind that this exercise aims to predict who is likely to be inducted, as a Player, and based solely on NBA accomplishments and statistical output. There are coaches and contributors at all levels of the game, as well as foreign players and WNBA stars who are also worthy of induction.

[John B]

If Ben Wallace and Paul Pierce can make it then there's no doubt Emanuel David GINOBILI can make it. I do agree that him coming off the bench and taking a selfless approach on offense has hampered his NBA career but what he has achieved internationally is unmatched. I'm glad HOF doesn't only look at a players NBA career.

Can't wait for Manu's induction! Hopefully Barkley will be in the audience shouting GINOBILIIIIIIIIIII

In Ben Wallace defense, he was a 4 time DPOY, rebounding and block leader. He basically set the defensive tone for that champion Piston team. For an undrafted player, the league could be giving other undrafted players hope. So Bruce still has a shot? :lol

[Drom John]

.9386 Tony parker
.9335 pau Gasol
.7769 Kawhi Leonard
.5089 LaMarcus Aldridge
.2005 Manu Ginobili
.1073 Alvin Robertson
.0675 DeMar DeRozan
.0526 Terry porter
.0336 Robert Horry
.0331 Steve Kerr
.0147 David Lee
End of Top 250

Active
.0037 Danny Green
.0009 George Hill
.0006 patty Mills
.0003 Cory Joseph

[Neo.]

manu has always been the most underappreciated spur and one of the most underrated players ever. he was easily better and more important than parker who is among the more overrated players ever

[John B]

manu has always been the most underappreciated spur and one of the most underrated players ever. he was easily better and more important than parker who is among the more overrated players ever
While Manu is my all-time favorite, Parker was also a hell of a player and equally deserving the praise. He led the field goal percentage despite his 6’2” frame, choosing to penetrate with his quick spin moves and teardrops (which he revolutionized, forget CP0), amidst trees. He was a one-man fastbreak with his speed. And this kid started directing Timmy and DRob when he was 19. So his fearlessness and tenacity to win both in the NBA and international was equal to Manu. Spurs were lucky to have all 3 alpha’s at the same time, coached with the GOAT.

[talkspurs]

I dont think he will but it would be funny to see Barkley present him the award.

[Proxy]

going in as an 'international' player feels very 2008 to say. His impact on the league is pretty monumental. Style of play for tons of current guards, goat sixth man posterchild that changed the entire strategy of that role, and part of the most successful big 3. That's an obvious nba HoFer tbh

[Spurtacular]

I called it, tbh.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

That crafty old man at the Y from-behind block on harden sealed him as a first balloter imo

[John B]

That crafty old man at the Y from-behind block on harden sealed him as a first balloter imo

They should change the DPOY trophy to that :lol

[wildbill2u]

Why he wasn't 6th man of the Year more than once boggles my mind. He should have had the award every year

[rastaspur]

joe johnson was a star player for a few years, put up high numbers and stuff. Manu while great played pretty selfless, off the bench etc. so i guess he appeared flashier, even tho manu is more talented than him

Agreed. chuckers who puts up 20 plus a game on volume aren't hall of fame worthy. See stackhouse, antoine walker and so on and so forth.

Manu is a hall of famer. Points ain't everything. Winning is. See bill russell.

[XDT76]

Why he wasn't 6th man of the Year more than once boggles my mind. He should have had the award every year


Because he plays for the Spurs. Tim, Manu and Parker were never in an all-stars game together and yet Utah has 3 all-stars last year tells you the standing of Spurs players in the eyes of the NBA ECO system.

[SpurPadre]

While Manu is my all-time favorite, Parker was also a hell of a player and equally deserving the praise. He led the field goal percentage despite his 6’2” frame, choosing to penetrate with his quick spin moves and teardrops (which he revolutionized, forget CP0), amidst trees. He was a one-man fastbreak with his speed. And this kid started directing Timmy and DRob when he was 19. So his fearlessness and tenacity to win both in the NBA and international was equal to Manu. Spurs were lucky to have all 3 alpha’s at the same time, coached with the GOAT.

Erin Barry certainly agrees about TP’s penetration prowess...

[John B]

Erin Barry certainly agrees about TP’s penetration prowess...
:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Erin Barry certainly agrees about TP’s penetration prowess...

Poor Brent.

[Proxy]

Why he wasn't 6th man of the Year more than once boggles my mind. He should have had the award every year

yep, same with TD and DPOY

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Manu didn't get the NBA accolades he should have gotten. That said, he should easily be first ballot HOF.

What a weak overall group for next year. Joe Johnson first ballot?? Really?? I'd of taken Rasheed way before someone like Joe Johnson.

[DMC]

manu has always been the most underappreciated spur and one of the most underrated players ever. he was easily better and more important than parker who is among the more overrated players ever

I disagree a bit. I don't think Manu is/was undervalued or underappreciated. It's interesting that so many fans say this. It it was true, someone would be disagreeing. So I am disagreeing. I think Manu was appreciated but because he wasn't a starter he's seen as undervalued. It's known that as Manu goes so did the Spurs, for the most part. Even in 2014 Finals Manu was big time.

[DMC]

Poor Brent.

Poor Brent's refrigerator.

[Neo.]

I disagree a bit. I don't think Manu is/was undervalued or underappreciated. It's interesting that so many fans say this. It it was true, someone would be disagreeing. So I am disagreeing. I think Manu was appreciated but because he wasn't a starter he's seen as undervalued. It's known that as Manu goes so did the Spurs, for the most part. Even in 2014 Finals Manu was big time.

oh so then what i said was true

got it thanks :tu

[John B]

Manu didn't get the NBA accolades he should have gotten. That said, he should easily be first ballot HOF.

What a weak overall group for next year. Joe Johnson first ballot?? Really?? I'd of taken Rasheed way before someone like Joe Johnson.

I think only Manu gets next year 1st Ballot based on that list.

[Mark in Austin]

I remember driving in Austin back in 2004 listening to that game early in the season where Tim and Tony were out and it was basically Manu vs 4 HOFers: Shaq, Kobe, Payton and Malone. And he carried a goddamn JV team for nearly the whole game before running out of gas in 2OT. My favorite regular season game ever.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200311060SAS.html

[John B]

Manu didn't get the NBA accolades he should have gotten. That said, he should easily be first ballot HOF.

What a weak overall group for next year. Joe Johnson first ballot?? Really?? I'd of taken Rasheed way before someone like Joe Johnson.

2023 would be Wade, Nowitzki and our boy Tony. The 1st two are locked, and Tony is the best player ever to come out from France with 4 years NBA Titles, Finals MVP, 6x NBA All Star. His international accolades is not like Manu’s Olypic gold, but Tony made some noise at FIBA. I think Tony will also be 1st ballot.

[Fireball]

he should be ...

[Spurtacular]

Agreed. chuckers who puts up 20 plus a game on volume aren't hall of fame worthy. See stackhouse, antoine walker and so on and so forth.

Manu is a hall of famer. Points ain't everything. Winning is. See bill russell.

You're making a case for Carmelo Anthony to not be in the HOF, tbh.

[John B]

You're making a case for Carmelo Anthony to not be in the HOF, tbh.

I don’t know. Lakers are giving free rides to these stats padding stars. But for sure Melo is a HOF with his Olympic golds plus scoring leader (see TMac).

Man, I hate LeSoft getting another ring, getting a close ring count to Timmy’s, and then talks of him in the GOAT status with his bought rings, as much as I hate Harden getting a ring.

[ElNono]

Manu and Chauncey are probably going to headline... Shawn Marion I think is eligible as well... we'll see...

[John B]

Manu and Chauncey are probably going to headline... Shawn Marion I think is eligible as well... we'll see...

Why not Sheed before Billups? I mean the bad boy image is really hurting the likes of Sheed, Laimbeer.

How about Paul Silas? Why hasn’t he made it?

[rastaspur]

You're making a case for Carmelo Anthony to not be in the HOF, tbh.

I dont think melo should be in the hall of fame.

[DAF86]

Based on his NBA career, he probably is at 20%. Pretty sure he goes in as an international candidate.

If you look at counting stats only. If you look at overall impact, Manu is definitely a first ballot HoF even if you consider just his NBA career. The guy popularized the most influential move in NBA history.

Did Yao make it as a first ballot? If so, Manu being a first ballot too is undeniable.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

2023 would be Wade, Nowitzki and our boy Tony. The 1st two are locked, and Tony is the best player ever to come out from France with 4 years NBA Titles, Finals MVP, 6x NBA All Star. His international accolades is not like Manu’s Olypic gold, but Tony made some noise at FIBA. I think Tony will also be 1st ballot.

Tony should be a shoe-in, tbh. His NBA resume is really more decorated than Manu.

[Brazil]

Manu and TP are both 1st Ballot tbh..

[John B]

Manu and TP are both 1st Ballot tbh..

I agree :toast

[Brazil]

I agree :toast

:bobo

[BillMc]

I agree :toast

They both should be, definitely. :bobo

[John B]

They both should be, definitely. :bobo

O Lala :bobo

[batman2883]

without a shadow of a doubt!

[John B]

Would it be something to have both Manu and Becky? :downspin:

Manu Ginobili, key cog in San Antonio Spurs' dynasty, leads list of first-time nominees for Naismith Memorial Hall of Fame class

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TIM BONTEMPSESPN4:49 PM ET2 Minute Read
Manu Ginobili led the list of first-time nominees for the 2022 Naismith Memorial Hall of Fame class, which was announced live on ESPN's NBA Today Tuesday.Ginobili was one of the longtime mainstays of the San Antonio Spurs (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs)' dynasty, winning four championships in addition to an Olympic gold medal with Argentina in 2004. The 57th overall pick in the 1999 NBA draft, Ginobili went on to become one of the best international basketball players of all time, an inventive guard with a distinctive style. He helped popularize the "Eurostep," a move utilized by virtually every player in the game today.
In addition to Ginobili, other first time nominees include Tom Chambers (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3662/tom-chambers), the four-time All-Star forward who played with six teams, including spending five seasons each with the Seattle SuperSonics and Phoenix Suns (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/phx/phoenix-suns), and Lindsay Whalen, a four-time WNBA Champion and five-time All-Star, with all four of those championships coming with the Minnesota Lynx, whom she now coaches.
Beyond the first-time nominees, others in the nomination pool for this year's Hall of Fame class include:

• Chauncey Billups, a five-time All-Star and three-time All-NBA selection, as well as winning Finals MVP as part of the 2004 NBA champion Detroit Pistons (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/det/detroit-pistons).

• Richard Hamilton, a three-time All-Star and fellow member of that 2004 Pistons team.

• Shawn Marion, a four-time All-Star and member of the 2011 NBA Champion Dallas Mavericks (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/dal/dallas-mavericks).
• Tim Hardaway, a five-time NBA All-Star and five-time All-NBA selection.
• Muggsy Bogues, a 14-year NBA veteran who was the smallest player to ever play in the league at 5-foot-3.
• Mark Jackson, an All-Star in 1989 who is one of six players to record 10,000 career assists.
• Swin Cash, who won two NCAA championships at the University of Connecticut and three more with the WNBA's Detroit Shock and Seattle Storm.
• Becky Hammon, a six-time WNBA All-Star and four-time All-WNBA selection.
• George Karl, who is sixth all-time in NBA coaching victories with 1,175.
• Bob Huggins, one of six coaches with 900 or more career collegiate victories
This year's Naismith Hall of Fame class will be unveiled during the Final Four in New Orleans in early April, and will be inducted on September 9-10, 2022 in Springfield, Mass.

[John B]

HOF is in the bag, especially with this list. I’d guess the rest would be George Carl, Mark Jackson, Swin Cash, Becky Hammon (?). I mean the rest on the list is pretty lame :(

[Seventyniner]

Manu and Tony are both first-ballot HoF locks. Manu more so than Tony due to his much greater non-NBA accomplishments.

[BillMc]

Would it be something to have both Manu and Becky? :downspin:

Manu Ginobili, key cog in San Antonio Spurs' dynasty, leads list of first-time nominees for Naismith Memorial Hall of Fame class

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TIM BONTEMPSESPN4:49 PM ET2 Minute Read
Manu Ginobili led the list of first-time nominees for the 2022 Naismith Memorial Hall of Fame class, which was announced live on ESPN's NBA Today Tuesday.Ginobili was one of the longtime mainstays of the San Antonio Spurs (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs)' dynasty, winning four championships in addition to an Olympic gold medal with Argentina in 2004. The 57th overall pick in the 1999 NBA draft, Ginobili went on to become one of the best international basketball players of all time, an inventive guard with a distinctive style. He helped popularize the "Eurostep," a move utilized by virtually every player in the game today.
In addition to Ginobili, other first time nominees include Tom Chambers (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3662/tom-chambers), the four-time All-Star forward who played with six teams, including spending five seasons each with the Seattle SuperSonics and Phoenix Suns (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/phx/phoenix-suns), and Lindsay Whalen, a four-time WNBA Champion and five-time All-Star, with all four of those championships coming with the Minnesota Lynx, whom she now coaches.
Beyond the first-time nominees, others in the nomination pool for this year's Hall of Fame class include:

• Chauncey Billups, a five-time All-Star and three-time All-NBA selection, as well as winning Finals MVP as part of the 2004 NBA champion Detroit Pistons (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/det/detroit-pistons).

• Richard Hamilton, a three-time All-Star and fellow member of that 2004 Pistons team.

• Shawn Marion, a four-time All-Star and member of the 2011 NBA Champion Dallas Mavericks (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/dal/dallas-mavericks).
• Tim Hardaway, a five-time NBA All-Star and five-time All-NBA selection.
• Muggsy Bogues, a 14-year NBA veteran who was the smallest player to ever play in the league at 5-foot-3.
• Mark Jackson, an All-Star in 1989 who is one of six players to record 10,000 career assists.
• Swin Cash, who won two NCAA championships at the University of Connecticut and three more with the WNBA's Detroit Shock and Seattle Storm.
• Becky Hammon, a six-time WNBA All-Star and four-time All-WNBA selection.
• George Karl, who is sixth all-time in NBA coaching victories with 1,175.
• Bob Huggins, one of six coaches with 900 or more career collegiate victories
This year's Naismith Hall of Fame class will be unveiled during the Final Four in New Orleans in early April, and will be inducted on September 9-10, 2022 in Springfield, Mass.

Can't wait to see Manu get in. First ballot should be a cinch. Well deserved.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

if manu can coach lonnie into being a 6th man scorer and coldblooded finisher than he's unanimous 1st ballot HOF


overall this class seems pretty weak tbh

[exstatic]

if manu can coach lonnie into being a 6th man scorer and coldblooded finisher than he's unanimous 1st ballot HOF


overall this class seems pretty weak tbh

:lol. KG should have played another year. He had to play 3rd fiddle to the GOAT PF and a dead guy.

[Fireball]

the list of eligibles is pretty laughable so Manu should make it ...

[Dex]

the list of eligibles is pretty laughable so Manu should make it ...

Yeah, Manu should be a shoe-in in that class tbh

[SPURt]

Basketball Reference has Ginobili’s HOF odds at 20% :lol someone needs to check their algorithm

[cd98]

Would it be something to have both Manu and Becky? :downspin:

Manu Ginobili, key cog in San Antonio Spurs' dynasty, leads list of first-time nominees for Naismith Memorial Hall of Fame class

https://a-espncdn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/AW/s/a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/columnists/full/bontemps_tim.png&h=120&w=120&scale=crop
TIM BONTEMPSESPN4:49 PM ET2 Minute Read
Manu Ginobili led the list of first-time nominees for the 2022 Naismith Memorial Hall of Fame class, which was announced live on ESPN's NBA Today Tuesday.Ginobili was one of the longtime mainstays of the San Antonio Spurs (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs)' dynasty, winning four championships in addition to an Olympic gold medal with Argentina in 2004. The 57th overall pick in the 1999 NBA draft, Ginobili went on to become one of the best international basketball players of all time, an inventive guard with a distinctive style. He helped popularize the "Eurostep," a move utilized by virtually every player in the game today.
In addition to Ginobili, other first time nominees include Tom Chambers (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3662/tom-chambers), the four-time All-Star forward who played with six teams, including spending five seasons each with the Seattle SuperSonics and Phoenix Suns (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/phx/phoenix-suns), and Lindsay Whalen, a four-time WNBA Champion and five-time All-Star, with all four of those championships coming with the Minnesota Lynx, whom she now coaches.
Beyond the first-time nominees, others in the nomination pool for this year's Hall of Fame class include:

• Chauncey Billups, a five-time All-Star and three-time All-NBA selection, as well as winning Finals MVP as part of the 2004 NBA champion Detroit Pistons (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/det/detroit-pistons).

• Richard Hamilton, a three-time All-Star and fellow member of that 2004 Pistons team.

• Shawn Marion, a four-time All-Star and member of the 2011 NBA Champion Dallas Mavericks (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/dal/dallas-mavericks).
• Tim Hardaway, a five-time NBA All-Star and five-time All-NBA selection.
• Muggsy Bogues, a 14-year NBA veteran who was the smallest player to ever play in the league at 5-foot-3.
• Mark Jackson, an All-Star in 1989 who is one of six players to record 10,000 career assists.
• Swin Cash, who won two NCAA championships at the University of Connecticut and three more with the WNBA's Detroit Shock and Seattle Storm.
• Becky Hammon, a six-time WNBA All-Star and four-time All-WNBA selection.
• George Karl, who is sixth all-time in NBA coaching victories with 1,175.
• Bob Huggins, one of six coaches with 900 or more career collegiate victories
This year's Naismith Hall of Fame class will be unveiled during the Final Four in New Orleans in early April, and will be inducted on September 9-10, 2022 in Springfield, Mass.

Man, pu pu platter here. Manu is guaranteed with these other people on the ballot. Only one I think really deserves it is Chauncy and maybe, maybe Marion.

[cd98]

Ha, I love how ESPN highlights Muggsy's HOF qualifications as just being the shortest guy to ever play. Though I do think most say he played on the greatest high school team of all time.

[wildbill2u]

Will Manu suffer for not being a starter all those years and failing to make more All-Star rosters because of his sacrifice for the team? I hope not. To get a realistic assessment of his skills, you needed to see him on the court in the 4th quarter as our designated closer.

IMHO he was as good a closer in the 4th quarter as any player to ever play the game.

You wanted the ball in his hands because he could not be trapped and was a super reliable FT shooter if fouled, could play terrific defense if Spurs were behind, and was a great offensive shooter in the 4th quarter. And if he was covered by the defense, he could handle the ball and get it to the open man with great passing. He did everything you want in a closer and did it so well.

[Strategic]

1st ballot lock

[exstatic]

Basketball Reference has Ginobili’s HOF odds at 20% :lol someone needs to check their algorithm

They’re going only by NBA numbers, which is probably accurate. That’s what their formula is based on. He’ll get in on combined NBA and FIBA accomplishments. He’s been a mortal lock since Drazen Petrovic was posthumously enshrined. Their numbers, NBA and FIBA were extremely close at that time. Manu had Olympic gold, Petrovic had World Cup gold.

[baseline bum]

Manu and Tony are both first-ballot HoF locks. Manu more so than Tony due to his much greater non-NBA accomplishments.

Manu is a first ballot lock because of the 2004 gold medal. Tony won't be a first ballot HOFer.

[Seventyniner]

I think Manu would be in the HoF even if he never played in the NBA, maybe not first ballot though. He had some great years in Europe and of course that 2004 Olympic gold was legendary.

Bkref gives Tony a 93.9% HoF chance. That's based only on NBA numbers. Parker's non-NBA accomplishments aren't even close to Manu's, but they're not nothing either. That's why I think he's a first-ballot lock too.

[exstatic]

Manu is a first ballot lock because of the 2004 gold medal. Tony won't be a first ballot HOFer.

I think it would depend on who else is up when Tony is eligible. For instance, he would be first ballot if he were in this deadbeat class.

[baseline bum]

I think it would depend on who else is up when Tony is eligible. For instance, he would be first ballot if he were in this deadbeat class.

I think they just wouldn't elect any NBA players in that case. Think you gotta be around KG level to get in first ballot.

[Seventyniner]

Good points fellas. I'm going to back off saying Tony is a first ballot lock. He will get in but I can see it possibly taking an extra year, maybe two. I would still put his first-ballot chances above 50% though.

[BillMc]

He became a HOFer the second he led Argentina to a Gold Medal.

Winning 4 NBA titles just added to the legacy. He BETTER be first ballot, especially with a pretty ho hum list of candidates!

[SPURt]

They’re going only by NBA numbers, which is probably accurate. That’s what their formula is based on. He’ll get in on combined NBA and FIBA accomplishments. He’s been a mortal lock since Drazen Petrovic was posthumously enshrined. Their numbers, NBA and FIBA were extremely close at that time. Manu had Olympic gold, Petrovic had World Cup gold.
What’s weird is they have Tony at like 93%, but they must be weighing that finals mvp pretty heavily?

[baseline bum]

What’s weird is they have Tony at like 93%, but they must be weighing that finals mvp pretty heavily?

Tony has 5430 more career points and was a 6-time all-star while Manu was a 2-time all-star. There is no doubt in my mind Manu was the more talented player and the guy I wanted with the ball more when a big game was being decided, but he was also pretty injury prone in his prime which hurt his numbers a lot.

[R. DeMurre]

Comparing Joe Johnson and Ginobili the old fashioned way-- using raw stats-- JJ comes out on top by a tiny bit. Using production per minute (or per 30 or 36 minutes), Ginobili jumps ahead in almost all categories-- ppg, apg, rpg, spg, etc... Using advanced stats like BPM and VORP, Ginobili enters an entirely different stratosphere from Johnson. JJ was a pretty good player in his time, but I think very very few scouts would hesitate for a second, given the choice between a 25 year old JJ and a 25 year old Manu, in choosing Manu.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=ginobma01&player_id2=johnsjo02

[Seventyniner]

Tony has 5430 more career points and was a 6-time all-star while Manu was a 2-time all-star. There is no doubt in my mind Manu was the more talented player and the guy I wanted with the ball more when a big game was being decided, but he was also pretty injury prone in his prime which hurt his numbers a lot.

HoF is much more about counting stats than efficiency. Manu was way more efficient but Tony played 40% more total minutes than Manu (46,037 vs 32,954, regular season and playoffs combined).

Luckily this isn't an either-or. Both should easily get in.

[John B]

HoF is much more about counting stats than efficiency. Manu was way more efficient but Tony played 40% more total minutes than Manu (46,037 vs 32,954, regular season and playoffs combined).

Luckily this isn't an either-or. Both should easily get in.

Tony starting his NBA at a young age of 19, while Manu started late at 25. But I wonder how Manu would perform in the NBA at 19?

[BillMc]

Why are we even comparing Tony and Manu? They're both furute HOFers. \

This should just be a celebrate Manu thread!

[Harry Callahan]

Manu is a FBHOF in part due to the other options, but he is a hall of fame caliber player regardless. To many accomplishments.

Not to mention being a great person (from all accounts) makes his selection highly likely this year. Actually a lock IMHO.

There is no way another team will have a Spurs Big three in the future - with a league FULL of azzhats and drama queens. Xibron James is at the TOP of that list of people.

The one year in North Carolina should not even count for TP9. I consider him a Spurs lifer too.

I'm pretty sure he gets in next year. If Chrissy Paul is considered a hall of fame player - then Tony Parker is as well. The only time Chrissy Paul beat the Spurs in the POs was when he took a cheap shot on Parker early in that 2015 series - a knee to the thigh of TP if I recall.

[Ice009]

If Chrissy Paul is considered a hall of fame player - then Tony Parker is as well. The only time Chrissy Paul beat the Spurs in the POs was when he took a cheap shot on Parker early in that 2015 series - a knee to the thigh of TP if I recall.

Didn't TP have a bad hamstring in that series? Was that due to the Chris Paul knee to his leg, or did the hamstring issues come later in the series. I just remember TP not being right that series. I also recall Paul having a bad hamstring, but not sure if that was in game 7 only during that series?

[daslicer]

Manu is a FBHOF in part due to the other options, but he is a hall of fame caliber player regardless. To many accomplishments.

Not to mention being a great person (from all accounts) makes his selection highly likely this year. Actually a lock IMHO.

There is no way another team will have a Spurs Big three in the future - with a league FULL of azzhats and drama queens. Xibron James is at the TOP of that list of people.

The one year in North Carolina should not even count for TP9. I consider him a Spurs lifer too.

I'm pretty sure he gets in next year. If Chrissy Paul is considered a hall of fame player - then Tony Parker is as well. The only time Chrissy Paul beat the Spurs in the POs was when he took a cheap shot on Parker early in that 2015 series - a knee to the thigh of TP if I recall.

I looked at the guys who are eligible for the year Tony Parker could get in which is 2023. The guys who are eligible are Dirk, Wade, Pau Gasol. If the Basketball Hall of Fame allows 4 NBA players to get in 2023 then Parker will get in. If they only allow 3 then it comes down to Parker vs Gasol. Their careers are both every similar in impact. If Parker doesn't get in '23, then he will get in for sure in '24.

[John B]

I looked at the guys who are eligible for the year Tony Parker could get in which is 2023. The guys who are eligible are Dirk, Wade, Pau Gasol. If the Basketball Hall of Fame allows 4 NBA players to get in 2023 then Parker will get in. If they only allow 3 then it comes down to Parker vs Gasol. Their careers are both every similar in impact. If Parker doesn't get in '23, then he will get in for sure in '24.

Damn that’s a very good batch. But TP also deserves to be a FBHF as the rest of the winningest trio. But that sure is a very tight batch.

[exstatic]

I don’t think there’s any set number they allow in. The 2021 class had 4 modern era players, plus a 70s era player, plus Tony Kukoc, who got in on international cred.

[daslicer]

I don’t think there’s any set number they allow in. The 2021 class had 4 modern era players, plus a 70s era player, plus Tony Kukoc, who got in on international cred.

It really varies on the number of NBA players that get in ever year in the HOF. Some years HOF will have a low number of 2 and others it can be 4 like this year.

[lefty20]

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[LkrFan]

If Manu doesn't get in first ballot we riot. Much respect to that dude.

[exstatic]

There was an account on Twitter that was asking who was the best sixth man, Jamal Crawford or Lou Williams? Most of the responses were MANU. The counting stats are close, but he fucking SMOKES them on advanced stats.

[John B]

Does this mean Becky didn’t make it on the list?

This year’s list includes two first-time finalists: two-time NBA All-Star and four-time NBA champion Manu Ginobili and five-time WNBA All-Star, three-time WNBA Champion, and two-time Olympic Gold Medalist Lindsay Whalen. Previous finalists included again this year for consideration are longtime NBA referee Hugh Evans, five-time NBA champion and five-time NBA All-Defensive First Team selection Michael Cooper, five-time NBA All-Star Tim Hardaway, consensus National Collegiate Player of the Year Marques Johnson, two-time NCAA National Coach of the Year Bob Huggins, the NBA’s sixth-winningest coach of all-time George Karl, the all-time winningest high school coach, Leta Andrews, four-time WNBA All-Star and two-time Olympic gold medalist Swin Cash, and NCAA national champion and WNBA Coach of the Year Marianne Stanley.

[Canyonero]

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/rPE0AQ9aDkGs_bHuZb8PmTPKjR8=/0x0:1638x2048/1220x813/filters:focal(649x364:911x626):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/65500769/Manu_Goat.0.jpg

[John B]

If Manu doesn't get in first ballot we riot. Much respect to that dude.

No way he miss this with this list :bobo

[John B]

So this was the list earlier. Only Manu among the 1st year eligibles is still in:

Joe Johnson, 50.6%
Manu Ginobili, 20.1%
David West, 1.4%
Zach Randolph, 0.9%
Jason Terry, 0.5%
Richard Jefferson, 0.4%
Josh Smith, 0.1%
Al Jefferson, 0%

[emanueldavidginobili]

Damn Manu is about to headline this HOF class awesome, and yes I know its a weak class but fuck it.

[paperboy77]

There was an account on Twitter that was asking who was the best sixth man, Jamal Crawford or Lou Williams? Most of the responses were MANU. The counting stats are close, but he fucking SMOKES them on advanced stats.

The people who you are referencing are nothing but children. They don't know right from wrong.

All here..... HAIL MANU!


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[Seventyniner]

Manu is a first ballot lock. If it was NBA career only then maybe his relatively low counting stats totals could keep him out for a year or two, but his non-NBA career is HoF worthy all by itself.

[KobesAchilles]

I hope they pronounce his name the same way they did when he was drafted. Just to bring it full circle :lol

[HemisfairArena]

The most persuasive point for Manu to be a 1st ballot HOFer is summed up by the great Kobe Bryant. Kobe admired few,,,MJ being the top. Kobe was never intimidated,,,he had ice running through his veins. In his ESPN special there was only player that came across they screen that he commented on and that was Manu Ginobili. And here is a small except from that:

It's a great thing. I mean, honestly, have you ever been in an enclosed space with a bat? Did you bare-hand it out of the sky? Did it even occur to you to try? We live in a world that addresses that by opening the window and leaving the house. Or pillow cases and lacrosse sticks and all that. But just snagging it? That's what Kobe Bryant was talking about in "Kobe Doin' Work." When Manu appeared on the screen, Bryant says, with meaning, "that's a bad boy right there."

Case closed. Manu 1st ballot HOFer without a doubt.

[jermaine]

I seriously almost cried just seeing this news.

[Chris Fall]

One of the greatest. And one of my favorites.

It will be so well deserved.

[benefactor]

I don't see a scenario where he doesn't get in easily against this group.

Grats Manu.

[talkspurs]

I hope they pronounce his name the same way they did when he was drafted. Just to bring it full circle :lol

Hes going to have Barkley introduce him just so everyone knows he made it.

[wildbill2u]

going in as an 'international' player feels very 2008 to say. His impact on the league is pretty monumental. Style of play for tons of current guards, goat sixth man posterchild that changed the entire strategy of that role, and part of the most successful big 3. That's an obvious nba HoFer tbh

I think Michael Cooper of the Lakers is also in this year's nominee class. I think he was actually the first famous '6th man' on some of the old Lakers teams. As a side note, the tv references I'm seeing to the potential nominees are showing Manu on the chryron at the bottom and also are showing some of his highlights.

He is my favorite Spur of all time, edging out the Iceman simply because he had so many facets to his game on both ends of the court. I hope he gets the honor of going into the HOF on the first opportunity.

[wildbill2u]

There could be a glitch in the future about Manu's induction if he doesn't get in this year. Imagine that he doesn't and then you have next year's class of Wade, Dirk, Tony and Pau. I don't think Pau is a lock against any of those three, but will voters elect two Spurs plus Dirk and Wade? If not, he just falls into the future year's hopefuls.

Just sayin' it would be much better if Manu gets the honor this year.

[DMC]

There could be a glitch in the future about Manu's induction if he doesn't get in this year. Imagine that he doesn't and then you have next year's class of Wade, Dirk, Tony and Pau. I don't think Pau is a lock against any of those three, but will voters elect two Spurs plus Dirk and Wade? If not, he just falls into the future year's hopefuls.

Just sayin' it would be much better if Manu gets the honor this year.

It would be epic if Manu beat Tony out though. This place would explode.

[MultiTroll]

Manu is a HOFer.

DGAF what corrupt loser media does or does not judge.

[exstatic]

I hope they pronounce his name the same way they did when he was drafted. Just to bring it full circle :lol

Manu zheee no beee leee!

[baseline bum]

If Manu doesn't get in first ballot we riot. Much respect to that dude.

I'm down to go burn down Figueroa if Manu doesn't get in this year. Si se puede.

[emanueldavidginobili]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-phSsE83Lto

[baseline bum]

There could be a glitch in the future about Manu's induction if he doesn't get in this year. Imagine that he doesn't and then you have next year's class of Wade, Dirk, Tony and Pau. I don't think Pau is a lock against any of those three, but will voters elect two Spurs plus Dirk and Wade? If not, he just falls into the future year's hopefuls.

Just sayin' it would be much better if Manu gets the honor this year.

Nowitzki and Wade are the two first ballot HOFers. Don't see Tony getting in first ballot when Dominque Wilkins got snubbed on a couple of ballots if I remember right.

[John B]

Nowitzki and Wade are the two first ballot HOFers. Don't see Tony getting in first ballot when Dominque Wilkins got snubbed on a couple of ballots if I remember right.

Nick wasn’t a 4-time champion, Finals MVP. He is, however, top 50 player while TP didn’t even crack 75. It would be interesting. Manu for sure will be 1st ballot. But Tony, with Wade and Dirk in there, plus Pau makes it tough. TP > Pau?

How many 1st ballots do they elect?

[baseline bum]

Nick wasn’t a 4-time champion, Finals MVP. He is, however, top 50 player while TP didn’t even crack 75. It would be interesting. Manu for sure will be 1st ballot. But Tony, with Wade and Dirk in there, plus Pau makes it tough. TP > Pau?

How many 1st ballots do they elect?

The NBA didn't even pick Dominique for it's top 50 list, fucking ridiculous to anyone who watched the man play in the 80s.

[Proxy]

I think Michael Cooper of the Lakers is also in this year's nominee class. I think he was actually the first famous '6th man' on some of the old Lakers teams. As a side note, the tv references I'm seeing to the potential nominees are showing Manu on the chryron at the bottom and also are showing some of his highlights.

He is my favorite Spur of all time, edging out the Iceman simply because he had so many facets to his game on both ends of the court. I hope he gets the honor of going into the HOF on the first opportunity.

right there with you, remember seeing him take on Kobe and Shaq while TD and TP were sitting out years ago.

often imitated, never duplicated ��

[John B]

The NBA didn't even pick Dominique for it's top 50 list, fucking ridiculous to anyone who watched the man play in the 80s.
The Human Highlight Film wasn’t in the Top 50? Man, that was robbery. Likewise Manu nor TP on the Top 75, being parts of winningest trio.

[Brazil]

Well deserved for Manu, he is a 1st Ballot no doubt

Hoping same for Tony

[lefty20]

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[Canyonero]

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOO :danceclub:danceclub:danceclub:danceclub ElNono DAF86

[slick'81]

Never a fckn doubt

[BatManu20]

Congrats Manu. Well-deserved.


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[ElNono]

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[Dex]

:lmao at all the people who said he wouldn't make Hall of Fame, let alone first ballot.

Dude was a straight up baller. Well deserved.

[Canyonero]

Who will be his sponsor at the ceremony? Timmy?

[Dex]

Who will be his sponsor at the ceremony? Timmy?

Timmy seems fitting, otherwise DRob or Gervin

[baseline bum]

Still remember when the man was playing for Kinder and telling all my Laker fan friends the Spurs had an Argentine Vince Carter coming over soon and they'd think I was full of shit until I showed them video of his Euroleague games.

[DAF86]

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOO :danceclub:danceclub:danceclub:danceclub ElNono DAF86

One or the greatest to ever do it. A first ballot hall of famer and still disgustingly underrated by NBA fans and even Spurs fans. Imagine arguing Rodman was better than him. :lol

[Texas_Ranger]

congrats legend and favorite player of all time. well deserved!

[GAustex]

Fortunate to be Spurs fan during the Manu era.
Out of seemingly the mist a magic lefty shows up to boost Tim and Tony when it was in question if excellence could be extended.
What a fun player. I miss Manu.
Well done Manu

[PhantomDashCam]

Before Steph Curry "broke" basketball, Manu Ginobili "changed" it, forever, leading Argentina to Gold in the 2004 Olympics.

An absolute stud. :clap:flag:

[Seventyniner]

Not surprised at all.

Well deserved, Manu. :bobo

[Robz4000]

Congrats to the GOAT Argie tbh :toast

[emanueldavidginobili]

My favorite player of all time, congrats Manu! He is probably shook himself tbh, he has always been very modest. Can't wait for the ceremony. A rather weak class but thats awesome because he is pretty much the headline of this class.

[Ariel]

He's the reason I became a Spurs' fan. Well deserved Manu!

[emanueldavidginobili]

He's the reason I became a Spurs' fan. Well deserved Manu!
Same here

[lefty20]

Same here

Prolly true for a lot of us outta market fans.

[John B]

Congratulations Manu. My All-Time Favorite NBA player. Gracias Manu!!!

[John B]

1st Ballot HOFer and not in the 75 Greatest. What a joke :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[spurraider21]

my favorite player of all time tbh

[Das Texan]

I miss the jokes of Popovich wanting to cut Ginobili for driving him mad basically. :lol

[Das Texan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCyULGZXbLo

[Ariel]

I miss the jokes of Popovich wanting to cut Ginobili for driving him mad basically. :lol
Pop's first impression on Manu's game:
https://i.ibb.co/52GR9r4/pulling-hair-out-homer-simpson.gif

[emanueldavidginobili]

Prolly true for a lot of us outta market fans.
Right, I was living in Boston when I first became a fan of Manu and eventually the Spurs.

[XDT76]

The only first ballot of the 2022 class

[urunobili]

The only first ballot of the 2022 class

This right here speaks loudly about his accomplishment!

[jjspur]

One of my favorite players ever. Absolutely loved his bad ass dunk over Chris Bosh in the 14 finals. It was like he was telling him I'm going to the hall of fame and your not !! Timmy tapping him of the head and thinking Yeah we're both heading to HOF.

[XDT76]

Hope to see Tony next year

[John B]

The best teammate any player could for, grounded and willing to sacrifice for the the win, but will turn on the killer instinct when it’s time.

[DAF86]

Can we get a young manu to walk through those doors?? :cry

He would instantly become a top 5 player in the league on today's NBA.

[DAF86]

Before Steph Curry "broke" basketball, Manu Ginobili "changed" it, forever, [
leading Argentina to Gold in the 2004 Olympics.

An absolute stud. :clap:flag:

He really did, but not only for winning gold. That helped open the eyes of the NBA to international basketball even more. But where he really changed the game is in two key points:

1) The Eurostep. The most dominant move ever.

2) The popularization of "efficient basketball". Manu was "three pointer or take it to the whole, no midrange crap" before it was popular. He played the game in the most efficient fashion way before the secret was out.

I repeat, people won't ever realize the true place that Manu holds in basketball history.

[Barfunk]

:worthy:

[SPURt]

Man. I miss watching Manu! I got to see him hit a game winner in Madison Square Garden when Isiah Thomas was head coach of the Knicks. That Knicks team was awful but still pushed the Spurs to the death, Manu saved the Spurs on that night at the buzzer. Glad he could get his roses on the first ballot.

[Fireball]

awesome news ... so not everything in this world is going in the wrong direction!!! Congrats Manu!

[SpurPadre]

Felicidades Manu! My favorite Spurs player of all time. I wish he'd be interested in taking over coaching duties from Pop when the time comes.

[Spurminator]

Great honor and validation for an amazing career. Looking forward to revisiting his many career highlights.

[the golden era]

My favorite basketball player of all time and its not even close. I miss him so much. Can’t wait till he picks up the clipboard, hopefully it’s for the silver and black. Whenever he is ready, he will be an instant hire for some team in the NBA, quite like what happened to Nash. I suspect he is just waiting for his kids to get a littler older and enjoying them right now. He will be a fantastic coach.

[Ariel]

My favorite basketball player of all time and its not even close. I miss him so much. Can’t wait till he picks up the clipboard, hopefully it’s for the silver and black. Whenever he is ready, he will be an instant hire for some team in the NBA, quite like what happened to Nash. I suspect he is just waiting for his kids to get a littler older and enjoying them right now. He will be a fantastic coach.
Coaching is a very risky path and stressful as hell, and everything I've heard from him leads me to believe he's not up for it. But hey, I've felt the same way other times and I was proven wrong, so who knows.

[John B]

The baseline passes is something I don’t see everyday. LeBron tries to do that, but not as pretty as Manu whips that ball and somehow gets to the guy at the other corner. To be honest, I’d always thought it was going to be a TO. But somehow he makes it every single time. :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

To me, one of the biggest compliments that Manu ever got was when George Karl whined about how his long hair flying helped him suck out all those offensive fouls. Especially knowing the whole time that Denver tried their best to get Manu in a trade.

Manu deserves the honor, obviously. But maybe more than being good, he made watching fun.

[diego]

He really did, but not only for winning gold. That helped open the eyes of the NBA to international basketball even more. But where he really changed the game is in two key points:

1) The Eurostep. The most dominant move ever.

2) The popularization of "efficient basketball". Manu was "three pointer or take it to the whole, no midrange crap" before it was popular. He played the game in the most efficient fashion way before the secret was out.

I repeat, people won't ever realize the true place that Manu holds in basketball history.

Not just eliminating the midrange, but also the egalitarian offence argentina used I think was an influence on dantoni and pop and eventually the warriors.. argentina proved a less skilled team could beat superstars playing hero ball, a lot of people talk about pop evolving and adapting to his players, o think a lot of that had to with Manu's influence but it's not widely recognized

[RC_Drunkford]

Top 5 SG of all time :bobo

[Sugus]

Not just eliminating the midrange, but also the egalitarian offence argentina used I think was an influence on dantoni and pop and eventually the warriors.. argentina proved a less skilled team could beat superstars playing hero ball, a lot of people talk about pop evolving and adapting to his players, o think a lot of that had to with Manu's influence but it's not widely recognized

For sure.

Man, that dream team was stacked and insane talent, especially for a NT that wasn't a basketball powerhouse at the time. Scola, Chapu Nocioni, Delfino, Prigioni, Sánchez, Oberto, and more, all with a colossus in Manu at the helm. They really changed the game on the international level and showed Goliath could be beat.

Well deserved honor, Gracias Manu :huddle:

[DAF86]

Coaching is a very risky path and stressful as hell, and everything I've heard from him leads me to believe he's not up for it. But hey, I've felt the same way other times and I was proven wrong, so who knows.

It is also ungrateful as fuck. Just watch Pop, arguably the greatest coach of all time and gets constantly crapped on by most here (including me).

[DAF86]

Top 5 SG of all time :bobo

Scroll down my sig.

[John B]

Not just eliminating the midrange, but also the egalitarian offence argentina used I think was an influence on dantoni and pop and eventually the warriors.. argentina proved a less skilled team could beat superstars playing hero ball, a lot of people talk about pop evolving and adapting to his players, o think a lot of that had to with Manu's influence but it's not widely recognized

That’s a good take. Pop admitted on interviews that that Argentinian team was one of the best he’s seen, being in the receiver end, and it’s quite possible that that team influenced his coaching a lot, made easier of course with Timmy’s presence. But I see a lot of the similarities with Spurs beautiful game with Argentina’s golden team.

[Leetonidas]

Man. I miss watching Manu! I got to see him hit a game winner in Madison Square Garden when Isiah Thomas was head coach of the Knicks. That Knicks team was awful but still pushed the Spurs to the death, Manu saved the Spurs on that night at the buzzer. Glad he could get his roses on the first ballot.

Nice. I saw Manu hit a game winning buzzer beater here vs the Bucks in like 2009. A fond memory

[BatManu20]

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[SPURt]

Nice. I saw Manu hit a game winning buzzer beater here vs the Bucks in like 2009. A fond memory
I’m jealous! I moved away from SA after the first championship, wasn’t there for the Tony/Manu years but I saw them once a year when they got to NYC. I would’ve spent way too much on tickets if I stayed in SA.

[DMC]

Not even slightly surprising tbh. Not sure about Parker though.

[Seventyniner]

Not even slightly surprising tbh. Not sure about Parker though.

I think Parker will be first ballot too.

[MannyIsGod]

He really did, but not only for winning gold. That helped open the eyes of the NBA to international basketball even more. But where he really changed the game is in two key points:

1) The Eurostep. The most dominant move ever.

2) The popularization of "efficient basketball". Manu was "three pointer or take it to the whole, no midrange crap" before it was popular. He played the game in the most efficient fashion way before the secret was out.

I repeat, people won't ever realize the true place that Manu holds in basketball history.


Not just eliminating the midrange, but also the egalitarian offence argentina used I think was an influence on dantoni and pop and eventually the warriors.. argentina proved a less skilled team could beat superstars playing hero ball, a lot of people talk about pop evolving and adapting to his players, o think a lot of that had to with Manu's influence but it's not widely recognized

We were really lucky to have him as a Spur.

[GAustex]

That time he dunked on 4 Fakers at once

[baseline bum]

For sure.

Man, that dream team was stacked and insane talent, especially for a NT that wasn't a basketball powerhouse at the time. Scola, Chapu Nocioni, Delfino, Prigioni, Sánchez, Oberto, and more, all with a colossus in Manu at the helm. They really changed the game on the international level and showed Goliath could be beat.

Well deserved honor, Gracias Manu :huddle:

Easily my favorite non Spurs team to watch ever. Even with Tim on the US team I was still rooting for Argentina to beat them.

[wildbill2u]

On the last championship game, my son came in from Las Vegas and bought us tickets which was a great return for all the years I had season tickets for us 8 rows up behind the Spurs bench. When Manu came down the lane for that monster dunk among all the Heat players, I knew the game was over. The thing that sets great players like Manu, Bird, Jordan, etc apart is their determination to win. It's like the Force is with them, eh?

Congrats to my all-time favorite Spur.

[Biggems]

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would have been epic if Duncan and Parker had shown up, snuck behind him and doused him with Gatorade......

[Biggems]

Easily my favorite non Spurs team to watch ever. Even with Tim on the US team I was still rooting for Argentina to beat them.

Timmy was the only reason I rooted for Team USA that year.....they were not a group that was easy to root for, that is for sure. I was so happy that Manu won the Gold, Fab too.

[Biggems]

My absolute favorite Manu play was the block from behind on Harden.

[Phenomanul]

I was in attendance back in November 2003 when Manu scored 33 PTS, 12 REB, 7 AST in a double overtime loss against Shaq, Kobe, Malone, Payton and the rest of the Lakers… where the Spurs we’re playing without both Duncan and Parker after Robinson’s retirement. That was Manu’s NBA greatness-coming out party… and he showed the world that the Spurs had added another formidable cog to their machine.

Congratulations Manu!

[DAF86]

I was in attendance back in November 2003 when Manu scored 29 PTS, 12 REB, 7 AST in a double overtime loss against Shaq, Kobe, Malone, Payton and the rest of the Lakers… where the Spurs we’re playing without both Duncan and Parker after Robinson’s retirement. That was Manu’s NBA greatness-coming out party… and he showed the world that the Spurs had added another formidable cog to their machine.

Congratulations Manu!

Manu scored 33 pts that night. His coming out party.

[HemisfairArena]

Dude is only a 2 time all star and 2 time NBA 3rd team,,,,he got this because of his international record. He's overrated as far as the NBA goes. If he didn't have the international record,,,,he'd never be considered for the HOF,,,,,

[Ice009]

Dude is only a 2 time all star and 2 time NBA 3rd team,,,,he got this because of his international record. He's overrated as far as the NBA goes. If he didn't have the international record,,,,he'd never be considered for the HOF,,,,,

Yeah, NO. Absolutely not. You are a hater. For example, James Harden has better regular season numbers, but I would never take him over a prime Manu for any playoff run. You can stick those stats/accolades you mentioned above up James Harden's ass if that is all you care about.

There's also a player or two in the top 75 that should be taken out as Manu should have been on that list.

[Phenomanul]

Manu scored 33 pts that night. His coming out party.

My mistake that’s correct.

[DAF86]

Dude is only a 2 time all star and 2 time NBA 3rd team,,,,he got this because of his international record. He's overrated as far as the NBA goes. If he didn't have the international record,,,,he'd never be considered for the HOF,,,,,

This is the same guy that was arguing Rodman over Manu, right? :lmao

[boutons_deux]

Suffering from extreme bittersweetness

Extremely sweet to have the memories of those years

Extremely bitter to know they are gone forever

[DAF86]

Dude is only a 2 time all star and 2 time NBA 3rd team,,,,he got this because of his international record. He's overrated as far as the NBA goes. If he didn't have the international record,,,,he'd never be considered for the HOF,,,,,

Manu is a 4 time NBA champion, an all-star, an all-NBA, a 6th man award winner, popularized the most copied move in NBA history, and he changed the way the game is played.

That's more than enough to get into the Hall considering only your NBA accolades.

A guy like Yao Ming, for example, made it doing a lot less.

[Ariel]

Dude is only a 2 time all star and 2 time NBA 3rd team,,,,he got this because of his international record. He's overrated as far as the NBA goes. If he didn't have the international record,,,,he'd never be considered for the HOF,,,,,
Hey, if the Spurs managed to win 4 championships with a mere 2 time all star and one time all NBA, imagine what they'd have done with an MVP, 9 times all star, 9 times all NBA? You know... like Westbrook? Because it's all about the stats, riiiight?

[lefty]

I was in attendance back in November 2003 when Manu scored 33 PTS, 12 REB, 7 AST in a double overtime loss against Shaq, Kobe, Malone, Payton and the rest of the Lakers… where the Spurs we’re playing without both Duncan and Parker after Robinson’s retirement. That was Manu’s NBA greatness-coming out party… and he showed the world that the Spurs had added another formidable cog to their machine.

Congratulations Manu!

Also had that assist between Kobe's legs for a Horry dunk in that game

[SpursforSix]

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[DAF86]

VahtXBlFuvo

The brutal honesty of that halftime interview. "They aren't a great defensive team. If we make the extra pass, we can get wide open looks". Series was on the half of game 3 with the series tied 1-1 and the dude didn't give a fuck about giving the other team motivational amunition. He just called it like it was becasue he knew the Nuggets were crap and couldn't do shit about it. Manu wasn't even trying to trash talk either, he was just casually stating a fact. :lol

Man, I miss the Spurs that knew couldn't lose to most teams in the league.

[John B]

VahtXBlFuvo

The brutal honesty of that halftime interview. "They aren't a great defensive team. If we make the extra pass, we can get wide open looks". Series was on the half of game 3 with the series tied 1-1 and the dude didn't give a fuck about giving the other team motivational amunition. He just called it like it was becasue he knew the Nuggets were crap and couldn't do shit about it. Manu wasn't even trying to trash talk either, he was just casually stating a fact. :lol

Man, I miss the Spurs that knew couldn't lose to most teams in the league.

Mah man..

[exstatic]

Dude is only a 2 time all star and 2 time NBA 3rd team,,,,he got this because of his international record. He's overrated as far as the NBA goes. If he didn't have the international record,,,,he'd never be considered for the HOF,,,,,

It’s not the NBA HOF. It’s the basketball hall of fame. There are NBA players, NCAA players, Euros who never played a minute in the NBA, coaches, executives, refereees, and women.

[lefty20]

VahtXBlFuvo

The brutal honesty of that halftime interview. "They aren't a great defensive team. If we make the extra pass, we can get wide open looks". Series was on the half of game 3 with the series tied 1-1 and the dude didn't give a fuck about giving the other team motivational amunition. He just called it like it was becasue he knew the Nuggets were crap and couldn't do shit about it. Manu wasn't even trying to trash talk either, he was just casually stating a fact. :lol

Man, I miss the Spurs that knew couldn't lose to most teams in the league.

Ah shit, that's the game that made me a Spurs/NBA fan. I dgaf about the NBA, until I came across the tip off of that Game while channel surfing one night.

Didn't even know who the fuck Timmy was at that time, just felt that Manu was must watch TV.

[DAF86]

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Rare Manu (and big clutch Rob) highlights.

[KingKev]

KMart was such a hoe.

[GAustex]

KMart was such a hoe.
Poser tough guy
Duncan embarrassed kMArT