Pence Had to Ask Dan Quayle If American Democracy Should Continue

[baseline bum]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/pence-quayle-trump-woodward-certify-election-1226335/
Pence Had to Ask Dan Quayle If American Democracy Should Continue
The former vice president did the right thing, but it’s terrifying how close we came to autocracy

The fate of a healthy Democracy does not come down to a phone call with Dan Quayle. But, well, here we are.

According to an upcoming book by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, in the final days of Trump’s presidency, then-Vice President Mike Pence was struggling to decide whether to honor the votes of the American people or to refuse to certify Joe Biden’s victory over Donald Trump and set off an unprecedented constitutional crisis.

The authors write that Pence sought advice from Dan Quayle, the only living Republican vice president who had been in the position of certifying an election where his ticket was the losing one. And it was Quayle — the same man who has been something of a national punchline for a decade — who talked Pence off the ledge and into doing the right thing.

Trump at the time was frantically trying to find a way to cling to power. He was spreading lies that rampant election fraud took place, pushing election officials in Georgia to undermine their state’s results and pushing the Justice Department to “just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the [Republican] congressmen.” And he was privately and publicly pressuring Pence.

During their conversation, Quayle said Pence had no wiggle room and told him to certify the election results. “Mike, you have no flexibility on this. None. Zero. Forget it. Put it away,” Quayle told him.

“I know, that’s what I’ve been trying to tell Trump,” Pence responded. “But he really thinks he can. And there are other guys in there saying I’ve got this power.”

Pence then brought up Trump’s allegations of voter fraud and the lawsuits filed by Trump supporters in Arizona attempting to decertify Biden as the winner in the state. “Well, there’s some stuff out in Arizona,” Pence said to Quayle, who immediately shot him down.

“Mike, I live in Arizona,” Quayle said. “There’s nothing out here.”

The book also reveals that Trump ally and former White House senior strategist Steve Bannon was fueling the president’s delusions. According to the authors, Bannon told Trump on December 30th that he and Pence needed to return to D.C. immediately to prepare to “bury Biden” during “the moment for reckoning” on January 6th.

“You’ve got to return to Washington and make a dramatic return today. You’ve got to call Pence off the fucking ski slopes and get him back here today. This is a crisis,” Bannon told the president. “People are going to go, ‘What the fuck is going on here?'” Bannon added. “We’re going to bury Biden on January 6th, fucking bury him.”

After Pence’s call to Quayle, he spoke with Trump in the Oval Office on January 5th — the day before the election certification and Capitol attack — and refused Trump’s orders to stop the certification process. Already, the president’s supporters were gathered in front of the White House. Referring to the protesters, Trump asked Pence: “If these people say you had the power, wouldn’t you want to?”

“I wouldn’t want any one person to have that authority,” Pence said.

To this, Trump replied, “But wouldn’t it be almost cool to have that power?”

“No,” Pence said, according to the book. “I’ve done everything I could and then some to find a way around this. It’s simply not possible.”

It was then, the authors say, Trump began to shout. “No, no, no! You don’t understand, Mike. You can do this. I don’t want to be your friend anymore if you don’t do this,” said Trump, who, by chronology, is an adult.

Trump’s anger continued into the next morning when he called Pence to again apply pressure. “If you don’t do it, I picked the wrong man four years ago,” Trump said, then added, angrily and defeatedly, “You’re going to wimp out.”

According to the book, Pence wasn’t the only person in the White House who was desperately trying to contain Trump as he became increasingly unhinged after the election. Gen. Mark A. Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, was also scrambling trying to prevent a nuclear war because he was worried the president would “go rogue” and launch nuclear weapons at China unprovoked.

On some level, Pence deserves credit for ultimately doing the right thing, even if it meant not getting to be Trump’s BFF4eva. On another level, it’s rough that he had to chew it over with anyone. Pence’s early career had an awful lot of talk about being a “constitutional conservative,” and we’re pretty sure there’s nothing in the Constitution that says the losing candidate gets to stay in office if he really, really wants to.

[FrostKing]

Reads like a Facebook post. So much unnecessary fluff to spin and mold the reader.

[Adam Lambert]

Absolutely insane that this was ever a thing.

If Ted Cruz or Tom Cotton were VP, they probably would have gone along with it.

[baseline bum]

Absolutely insane that this was ever a thing.

If Ted Cruz or Tom Cotton were VP, they probably would have gone along with it.

Dear Nazi will probably pick Uday as his VP when he runs in 2024.

[hater]

I agree with all above. But we have fucking Kagala as VP now. :lol

Scary times

[ChumpDumper]

KagalaWhere's the joke in calling her this?

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/Vq7J1KF/14547.jpg

Is this the same book?

:lol woke leadership

[DMC]

They have to take a vote. China good now.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao Trumptard tears still flowing

[baseline bum]

They have to take a vote. China good now.

Nuking China good?

[DMC]

Nuking China good?

As long as we tell them ahead of time.

[ChumpDumper]

DMC posts words.

[DarrinS]

:cry Dan Quayle saved our democracy :cry

[ChumpDumper]

:cry Dan Quayle saved our democracy :cry:lol you want to normalize your Trump's behavior.

:lmao you voted for him in 2020.

[Spurs Homer]

Where's the joke in calling her this?

im guessing haters rationale is something along the lines of

kagala - roughly translated - is “shit on her” or “feces on her”


roughly

[baseline bum]

:cry Dan Quayle saved our democracy :cry

So overthrowing the election wouldn't be ending democracy?

[Trainwreck2100]

Dear Nazi will probably pick Uday as his VP when he runs in 2024.

no way he trusts uday enough for that shit, he dont even like him that much. The only way he's the VP is if the idiots he asks before do the smart thing, and say no

[Spurs Homer]

:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry “I dont want to be your friend!”



“ill -UNFriend you!” - er- “ill presidentially- UNfriend you!”


:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin


this ^ is defended by the SAME morons who say “amrikkka is NOT respected now with Biden as president!”

[Adam Lambert]

:cry Dan Quayle saved our democracy :cry

Hyperbole bothers you more than anti-democratic actions by Republican office holders, we know

Donald Trump could've ordered his secret service to shoot two random people in the street and you would argue with liberals over whether it should be called a massacre or not.

[FrostKing]

:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry “I dont want to be your friend!”



“ill -UNFriend you!” - er- “ill presidentially- UNfriend you!”


:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin


this ^ is defended by the SAME morons who say “amrikkka is NOT respected now with Biden as president!”
> "nazis"
> "amrikkka"

Today's Democrats

[ChumpDumper]

> "nazis"
I don't know what else to call you guys when you actively try to end democracy in this country.

What do you prefer to be called for that?

[FrostKing]

I don't know what else to call you guys when you actively try to end democracy in this country.

What do you prefer to be called for that?
Soviets?

Cute given the context of China here.

[MultiTroll]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/pence-quayle-trump-woodward-certify-election-1226335/

According to an upcoming book by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa,


Reads like a Facebook post. So much unnecessary fluff to spin and mold the reader.
How do Woodward and Costa claim to have word for word conversations between Pence / Quale and Pence / tRump recorded? :rolleyes

[hater]

They have to take a vote. China good now.

They are our new masters. We Have to just accept this

[ChumpDumper]

Soviets?

Cute given the context of China here.You want to be called Soviets for attempting a right wing overthrow democracy in the US?

Explain.

[ElNono]

:cry Dan Quayle saved our democracy :cry

I mean, you get to say this now thanks to people like Gen Milley... hopefully you're onboard with giving this hero a medal...

[Ef-man]

I mean, you get to say this now thanks to people like Gen Milley... hopefully you're onboard with giving this hero a medal...

Milley should get the Congressional Medal of Honor for saving world from a maniac loser.

We are in middle of hurricane season and you know trump would have used them to stop the hurricanes.

As he famously said, “Why bother having nuclear weapons if you are afraid to use them?”

[DMC]

I guess, if Pence was allowed to overturn it, then it would be within the democratic process to do so if he wanted to. That is, unless the democratic process is just an ideology and not our actual process.

[ChumpDumper]

I guess
:lol

[Adam Lambert]

I guess, if Pence was allowed to overturn it, then it would be within the democratic process to do so if he wanted to. That is, unless the democratic process is just an ideology and not our actual process.

The phrase you're looking for is "constitutional authority," not "democratic process," and you're still wrong. Pence had no legal authority to overturn it.

[ElNono]

I guess, if Pence was allowed to overturn it, then it would be within the democratic process to do so if he wanted to. That is, unless the democratic process is just an ideology and not our actual process.

The democratic process (and attributions of each branch of government) is established by the US Constitution. Pence was not allowed to overturn it, per the US constitution, the rest is moot.

[DMC]

The phrase you're looking for is "constitutional authority," not "democratic process," and you're still wrong. Pence had no legal authority to overturn it.

Well then it couldn't have happened.. mmmkay? Alrighty then, good talk. Democracy is safe after all.

[ElNono]

The Constitution is only as good as the institutions willing to uphold it. That's how it works in a democracy, and why democracies are tear down by institutions like the military, etc.

Democracy is a lot more fragile than people give it credit for. The US is generally an outlier in that it has had strong institutions willing to play by Constitutional rules, thus a long lasting democracy.

But, when those institutions start undermining constitutional authority, they also undermine democracy.

[Adam Lambert]

Well then it couldn't have happened.. mmmkay? Alrighty then, good talk. Democracy is safe after all.

I said he had no legal authority to do it, not that he couldn't do it. Try to follow along with the adults if you're going to insert yourself needlessly and derpishly into every discussion.

[Spurtacular]

Where's the joke in calling her this?

Where's the joke in calling you Derp?

You are who you are is all.

[pgardn]

The Constitution is only as good as the institutions willing to uphold it. That's how it works in a democracy, and why democracies are tear down by institutions like the military, etc.

Democracy is a lot more fragile than people give it credit for. The US is generally an outlier in that it has had strong institutions willing to play by Constitutional rules, thus a long lasting democracy.

But, when those institutions start undermining constitutional authority, they also undermine democracy.

And these books "we" will be reading are going to show this.
I had no idea if we put a completely incompetent self absorbed wanna be king... he could actually get enough of a crowd following him as to put us into a shaky situation. The institutions he tried to steam roll will be judged on how they ended up working for a president and not a country; we will get a more accurately view jbecause Trump cant hide every damn witness and document anymore. The blatant attempts to use these institutions for a campaign... fkn ridiculous.

Let the information flow. We need it out there and people need to understand how wrong this is.
He should have been prosecuted and found guilty of coercing a foreign intelligence agency to dig up crap on a political opponent. Perfectly clear to me. Its also pretty clear he may have had no idea it was simply wrong which is even more disturbing that this asshat was not warned ahead of time. His own slaves even had a shit in their pants with that phone call.
Or maybe he did know at was pulling "the art of the deal" This should be interesting.

[DarrinS]

"Democracy Dies in Darkness" is the official slogan of American newspaper The Washington Post, adopted in 2017.

Phrase popularized by Bob Woodward.

Fucking drama queens.

:lmao

[pgardn]

Where's the joke in you calling me Derp?



For me your name reminds me of a cartoon character who can utter just one word. derp.. derp ... derp
I guess the cadence and intonation of the derps perfectly characterize your profound ability to understand.... well... not much of anything. You just derp to problems. You derp at food. You derp at clouds.

[pgardn]

"Democracy Dies in Darkness" is the official slogan of American newspaper The Washington Post, adopted in 2017.

Phrase popularized by Bob Woodward.

Fucking drama queens.

:lmao

"It was a normal picnic at the Capitol. The air was a lazy quieting thing as I entered the building and tried to crush the skull of an official with the available barriers kindly supplied by the government."

[ChumpDumper]

"Democracy Dies in Darkness" is the official slogan of American newspaper The Washington Post, adopted in 2017.

Phrase popularized by Bob Woodward.

Fucking drama queens.

:lmaoYou voted for Trump in 2020.

Fucking drama queens.

:lmao

[Thread]

Quayle good now.

Even Bush1, the lousy fuck sold him out, threw him to the wolves, and you, the wolves, ate him alive.

[pgardn]

Quayle good now.

Even Bush1, the lousy fuck sold him out, threw him to the wolves, and you, the wolves, ate him alive.

We have a new rating scale since the orange fck got thrown out of office.
Quayle is relegated to minor league red team f up. Hardly a blip.

[DMC]

I said he had no legal authority to do it, not that he couldn't do it. Try to follow along with the adults if you're going to insert yourself needlessly and derpishly into every discussion.

Then what's the problem?

[baseline bum]

"Democracy Dies in Darkness" is the official slogan of American newspaper The Washington Post, adopted in 2017.

Phrase popularized by Bob Woodward.

Fucking drama queens.

:lmao

So overturning the election wouldn't kill democracy? I've seen you get heated over light bulbs and you want to call people worried about our democracy ending drama queens?

[pgardn]

So overturning the election wouldn't kill democracy? I've seen you get heated over light bulbs and you want to call people worried about our democracy ending drama queens?

Darrin despises LEDs ?

[baseline bum]

Darrin despises LEDs ?

Was butthurt about incandescents being phased out

[pgardn]

Was butthurt about incandescents being phased out

Well then I like your pun. :bobo

[ElNono]

So overturning the election wouldn't kill democracy? I've seen you get heated over light bulbs and you want to call people worried about our democracy ending drama queens?

Well, if Dear Leader became king supreme and the next 20 elections would have every candidate with a Trump last name, Darrin would still vote for them, so I can see why he doesn't think it's a big deal, tbh

[ElNono]

So overturning the election wouldn't kill democracy? I've seen you get heated over light bulbs and you want to call people worried about our democracy ending drama queens?

That was a black president though

[gambit1990]

who else was trump considering as VP who would've done what trump wanted? ted cruz?

[Adam Lambert]

Then what's the problem?

That the President of the United States was pressuring the VP to overturn the election results, that the Vice President considered it even for a moment, and that chickenshits like you care more about a 7-Eleven burning down than this.

[DMC]

That the President of the United States was pressuring the VP to overturn the election results, that the Vice President considered it even for a moment, and that chickenshits like you care more about a 7-Eleven burning down than this.

But he couldn't do it legally. How did that threaten democracy? If the VP has the ability to do that, which you say he doesn't, then it will be done eventually. Since it's not legal, it cannot happen unless you think the supreme court would back it, at which point you're being a conspiracy nut

[Ef-man]

:lmao

Bad attempt at reductio ad absurdum.

[Adam Lambert]

But he couldn't do it legally. How did that threaten democracy? If the VP has the ability to do that, which you say he doesn't, then it will be done eventually. Since it's not legal, it cannot happen unless you think the supreme court would back it, at which point you're being a conspiracy nut


I'm not going waste my time arguing within some fictional framework where everything elected officials do is legal.

I've made my point clear.

[FrostKing]

While China continues to lay blame on America for Covid, you have individuals such as Miley

:lol imagine the hysterical laughter the Chinese are having at behalf of Americans

[DMC]

I'm not going waste my time arguing within some fictional framework where everything elected officials do is legal.

I've made my point clear.

You cannot successfully argue that democracy was under threat. You already know this, Gladys.

[ChumpDumper]

While China continues to lay blame on America for Covid, you have individuals such as Miley

:lol imagine the hysterical laughter the Chinese are having at behalf of AmericansThey thanked him for not being insane.

[Adam Lambert]

You cannot successfully argue that democracy was under threat. You already know this, Gladys.


I never said democracy was under threat. I said that was hyperbole. Then I observed you guys care more about hyperbole than you care about attempts by the POTUS and VPOTUS to undermine an election.

[DMC]

I never said democracy was under threat. I said that was hyperbole. Then I observed you guys care more about hyperbole than you care about attempts by the POTUS and VPOTUS to undermine an election.

:lol Poster C.

[FrostKing]

They thanked him for not being insane.
Give it a little bit more time and they'll have Preogressives apologizing for Covid. These are people that interact with Russians. Current day America is play-doh to them.

[ChumpDumper]

Give it a little bit more time and they'll have Preogressives apologizing for Covid. These are people that interact with Russians. Current day America is play-doh to them.All countries interact with Russians.

[koriwhat]

I never said democracy was under threat. I said that was hyperbole. Then I observed you guys care more about hyperbole than you care about attempts by the POTUS and VPOTUS to undermine an election.

^ PAH-USSY!

[DMC]

Spurminator
(Ze/they/them/theirs)

[MultiTroll]

FFS what a cuck Pence is to tRump.
The hell has Dunceold got over Pence?

CNN Panel Brutally Mocks Pence’s Suck-Uppery: He ‘Licks the Shoes’ of Trump — Even After He Threatened Him’ (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cnn-panel-brutally-mocks-pence-s-suck-uppery-he-licks-the-shoes-of-trump-even-after-he-threatened-him/ar-AA1egV7P?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c1fda721ba9846869181f83134c35ecd&ei=11)

[Winehole23]

That the President of the United States was pressuring the VP to overturn the election results, that the Vice President considered it even for a moment, and that chickenshits like you care more about a 7-Eleven burning down than this.