US shortages and supply chain problems were caused by cost-cutting and monopolization, COVID just made the damage obvious

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Robz4000]

tl;dr some people would rather watch the world burn than cede control

[Leetonidas]

:cry but it's all Biden's fault :cry

[SnakeBoy]

Capitalism bad

[Thread]

:cry but it's all Biden's fault :cry

Yep, and that cocksucker has it comin'.

[Winehole23]

Capitalism badCapitalism wasn't always this way, tbh

Capitalism isn't eternal or universal. Can be better or worse, like anything else. Cultural, legal and technical contexts make a difference.

[Winehole23]

It's more accurate to say that capitalism is amoral -- it doesn't care about people or have values apart from maximizing value to owners.

[ChumpDumper]

Capitalism badMonopolistic capitalism indeed bad.

Agree?

Disagree?

[boutons_deux]

tl;dr some people would rather watch the world burn than cede control

Those people's wealth will protect them from the burning world

Not control what they really don't want to cede is a dollar of their revenue

[SnakeBoy]

Capitalism wasn't always this way, tbh


True. Economic nationalism used to be the norm.

[Winehole23]

Monopolistic capitalism indeed bad.Greed seems to have screwed up the supply chain to the global detriment; optimal distribution of goods is supposed to be one of the things capitalism is best at. When a small number of firms control the market, the profit drive can short circuit the virtues of the system.

[Winehole23]

Monopolistic capitalism indeed bad.

Agree?

Disagree?

https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ezgif-com-crop-33.gif?w=1026&h=630&crop=1

[SnakeBoy]

You two keep voting for monopolistic capitalism :lol

[Winehole23]

Snake Boy ducks again

[SnakeBoy]

Snake Boy ducks again

You're complaining about the very thing you support :lol

[Winehole23]

You're complaining about the very thing you support :lol^^^ ducks a third time

[Winehole23]

labor shortage and supply chain bottlenecks bollixing school lunches

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national-politics/the-race/supply-chain-shortages-making-school-lunches-hard-to-serve

[Winehole23]

shippers looking for goods closer to home, but they're kinda fucked, because the carriers don't care or can't adjust.


More than 80% of shippers reported “serious issues” with lack of shipping capacity, poor schedule reliability and high freight rates. Furthermore, 40% of shippers said that they are considering sourcing or exporting from a more local/regional location – a policy decision with the potential to substantially impact carriers’ future deep-sea network and TEU-mile demand.\


Proportion of shippers considering near-sourcing and exporting from more local/regional locations

https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/11-19.jpg (https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/11-19.jpg)Source: Drewry Benchmarking Club (https://www.drewry.co.uk/maritime-research-products/maritime-research-products/drewry-benchmarking-club) Members


The survey also flagged and quantified that some shippers have lost some export markets because of the dramatic changes and unreliability of the container transport system. Some Drewry benchmarking customers also expressed the view that ocean carriers were not sufficiently aware of the magnitude of the harm made to their businesses and that shippers were waiting to hear how carrier would address these issues.
https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/drewry-survey-of-top-shippers-and-carriers-on-the-medium-term-strategic-impact-from-the-container-system-crisis/

[Winehole23]

"Stagflation" is very buzzy right now


But a supply crunch that initially put a question mark over the availability of luxury cars or whether there would be enough PlayStations under our Christmas trees is instead morphing into a full-blown crisis featuring a shortage of energy, labour and transport from Liverpool to Los Angeles, and from Qingdao to Queensland.

All the problems are in one way or another tangled up in the surge of post-pandemic consumer demand, but taken together they threaten what one leading economist calls a “stagflationary wind” that could blow the global economy off course.
(https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/02/how-the-supply-chain-crisis-is-affecting-six-big-economies)
Mohamed El-Erian, and adviser to the insurance giant Allianz and president of Queens’ College, Cambridge, says this week’s surprise fall in factory output in China (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/30/chinas-factory-activity-in-shock-slowdown-as-energy-crisis-hits-home) was a clear warning that the world economy could slump while prices were still rising quickly, a doomsday double whammy that almost sank the UK in the 1970s.

“The supply chain problems are much more persistent than most policymakers expected, although companies are less surprised,” he said. “Governments are having to rethink quickly because the three elements – supply side, transport, labour – are coming together to blow a stagflationary wind through the global economy.”
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/02/supply-chain-world-economy-energy-labour-transport-covid

[Thread]

"Stagflation" is very buzzy right now

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/02/supply-chain-world-economy-energy-labour-transport-covid

It's just (inflation) with a cute diversion attached to get the squatter squattin' in the White House through a rough time.

[Winehole23]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/L40cZr7NQJMPiL3jBl/200.gif

[ChumpDumper]

You two keep voting for monopolistic capitalism :lol


You're complaining about the very thing you support :lol

Good or bad, SnakeBoy.

Have a take for once.

[Winehole23]

Good or bad, SnakeBoy.

Have a take for once.Everyone knows that if you vote for someone then criticize something they're doing or someone they're protecting, that makes you a hypocrite, because voting for someone is a blanket endorsement a priori of everything they do.

Also, if you fail to criticize the person you voted for, that makes you a hypocrite too.

[baseline bum]

"Stagflation" is very buzzy right now

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/02/supply-chain-world-economy-energy-labour-transport-covid

Kind of disagree with the premise that Playstations are hard to get because of the supply chain. Sony has sold an enormous amount of them, more than Playstation 4 at a similar point in its lifetime. The problem in getting a Playstation 5 right now is mostly due to demand IMO. At $500 (or $400 for the all digital version) they are unbelievable value for the quality of hardware in them. To build a similar power gaming PC to play games at 4k would cost about $1500 right now, and that's building it yourself and cutting out the middlemen like Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc. Aside from that there has been enormous demand for any kind of gaming systems ever since the start of the pandemic. For at least half the pandemic it has been nearly impossible to find any of the main systems (Playstation, XBox, Nintendo Switch) in stores because of the sky high demand. Demand is so high once I got my PS5 I was able to sell my PS4 used for literally the same price I bought it brand new for back in 2016. That would be unthinkable normally.

[Winehole23]

Kind of disagree with the premise that Playstations are hard to get because of the supply chain. Sony has sold an enormous amount of them, more than Playstation 4 at a similar point in its lifetime. The problem in getting a Playstation 5 right now is mostly due to demand IMO. At $500 (or $400 for the all digital version) they are unbelievable value for the quality of hardware in them. To build a similar power gaming PC to play games at 4k would cost about $1500 right now, and that's building it yourself and cutting out the middlemen like Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc. Aside from that there has been enormous demand for any kind of gaming systems ever since the start of the pandemic. For at least half the pandemic it has been nearly impossible to find any of the main systems (Playstation, XBox, Nintendo Switch) in stores because of the sky high demand. Demand is so high once I got my PS5 I was able to sell my PS4 used for literally the same price I bought it brand new for back in 2016. That would be unthinkable normally.Fair.

It's hardly unthinkable that for certain things, overwhelming demand is the main problem.

[SnakeBoy]

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[ChumpDumper]

:lmao det narrative

:lmao Snakeboi follows Newsmax

[Winehole23]

shortages hit US farmers at harvest time


Dale Hadden cannot find any spare tires for his combine harvester. So the Illinois farmer told his harvest crew to avoid driving on the sides of roads this autumn to avoid metal scraps that could shred tires.


New Ag Supply in Kansas is pleading with customers to order parts now for spring planting. And in Iowa, farmer Cordt Holub is locking up his machinery inside his barn each night, after thieves stole hard-to-find tractor parts from a local Deere & Co (DE.N) (https://www.reuters.com/companies/DE.N) dealership.


"You try to baby your equipment, but we're all at the mercy of luck right now," said Holub, a fourth-generation corn and soybean farmer in Buckingham, Iowa.


Manufacturing meltdowns are hitting the U.S. heartland, as the semiconductor shortages (https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/covid-fuelled-semiconductor-crunch-chips-away-carmakers-2021-08-19/) that have plagued equipment makers for months expand into other components. Supply chain woes now pose a threat to the U.S. food supply and farmers' ability to get crops out of fields.
https://www.reuters.com/world/the-great-reboot/desperate-tires-components-shortage-roils-us-harvest-2021-10-12/

[Winehole23]

the high price of beef?

blame consolidation and cartel like practices

https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:s teep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F 922e71db-8446-4ec1-93a0-8541399b3306_792x585.png


To consumers, this crisis appears as (https://abc7news.com/meat-prices-beef-price-chicken-going-up/11123031/) high meat prices, with costs for beef up 12% this year alone. “I've never seen it like this in all the years I've been doing this," said Bob Strupeni, a butcher in San Francisco who has been working in the industry for 44 years. Higher meat prices are responsible for roughly half the annual increase in food prices, and food inflation is not only stretching household budgets, but has created a serious political problem for the White House. In September, the Biden administration attacked (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/blog/2021/09/08/addressing-concentration-in-the-meat-processing-industry-to-lower-food-prices-for-american-families/) the industry over high prices, calling for an end to “pandemic profiteering.”


To cattle ranchers, who actually sell the cows to packers that are turned into beef, the crisis is not high prices, but low prices. They aren’t getting very much for their cattle. This is weird, because, normally, beef and cattle prices move in tandem - the current high beef prices should result in high cattle prices. But since 2015, the ‘meat margin’, or the spread between the prices ranchers get for their cows and the prices consumers pay at the supermarket, has widened dramatically. Despite high consumer prices, independent ranchers are losing money, and going out of business. “If we don’t get some of these problems fixed quickly, we won’t have any independent ranchers in this country,” explained (https://www.tsln.com/news/industry-in-crisis-as-packers-pocket-beef-profit-lobbying-groups-seek-solutions/) Oklahoma Farmers Union president Scott Blubaugh.

[Winehole23]

One witness described a conversation with the head of fabrication of a JBS plant in Texas, in which he was told “that each Defendant expressly agreed to periodically reduce its purchase and slaughter volumes to reduce the prices they would pay for fed cattle.” Another noted that the packers “worked together to reduce their purchases of cash cattle” because they realized that taking cattle out of the cash market would lower prices. "This reduced cash price,” the witness noted, “together with an interlinked depression of the Live Cattle Futures prices, lowered the price Defendants paid for all the cattle they purchased, with cash or otherwise.”


These witnesses were sufficiently credible that the judge accepted the complaint and sought a quick move to trial, which is very difficult under today’s elevated antitrust legal standards.
https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/economists-to-cattle-ranchers-stop

[DMC]

Same for lumber. The saw mills became the cartels. Neither the logging companies nor the retailers jacked up the costs, it was all saw mills like GA Pacific etc..

[hater]

Our Dear Transportation Secretary Mayor Pete Buttman has been on maternal leave breastfeeding his children since August :lmao

"Build back better". :lmao



And to think this disgrace of a human was so close to being.Dem ticket :lmao :lol

[Winehole23]

you're a clown, hater

[hater]

Im a clown, hater

Everyone has their roles in this world nig

Dont distress

[RandomGuy]

[newsmax host tweeting some bullshittery about Biden that Dupeboi can't identify as obvious, flawed propaganda]

:rollin

Dupeboi's brainwashing continues. Awesome narrative, absolutely nothing wrong with it. :tu

Maybe you should be throwing money in for Trump and Rudy's defense. :rollin

[Winehole23]

Everyone has their roles in this world nig

Dont distresswhat distress?

you're just annoying and trite

[hater]

what distress?

Im just annoying and trite

You have to learn to accept yourself and love yourself ma nig :tu

[SnakeBoy]

Everything is fine

Sure thing Buddy

[RandomGuy]

Sure thing Buddy

Did you actually believe that horseshit?

I know you cultivate a trollish persona, sometimes it is hard to tell what is going on there.

[DMC]

:cry but it's all Biden's fault :cry

Looks like Clinton had hand in it as well.

What's the world coming to when I cannot get fries? This is the end.

[ChumpDumper]

Our Dear Transportation Secretary Mayor Pete Buttman has been on maternal leave breastfeeding his children since August :lmao

"Build back better". :lmao



And to think this disgrace of a human was so close to being.Dem ticket :lmao :lol
Wut

[Winehole23]

You have to learn to accept yourself and love yourself ma nig :tu
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FByp0cjWEAMfm-e?format=jpg&name=900x900

Shut yer hole, bitch

[Thread]

Our Dear Transportation Secretary Mayor Pete Buttman has been on maternal leave breastfeeding his children since August :lmao

"Build back better". :lmao



And to think this disgrace of a human was so close to being.Dem ticket :lmao :lol

hater

[Winehole23]

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[DMC]

Our Dear Transportation Secretary Mayor Pete Buttman has been on maternal leave breastfeeding his children since August :lmao

"Build back better". :lmao



And to think this disgrace of a human was so close to being.Dem ticket :lmao :lol

Bare back better

[Winehole23]

Bare back better"Faggot"


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[DMC]

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No wonder you're so full of shit.

[Winehole23]

^^^ high rate of posts with homoerotic content

[Winehole23]

Screwing truck drivers can backfire

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[Winehole23]

the hearing aid cartel


The key players in the market are six firms most of us haven’t heard of: WS Audiology, Amplifon, Sonova, GN, Demant, and Starkey. These firms also own a bunch of hearing aid brands, so even if you have a hearing aid that isn’t branded as one of these firms, it’s likely that it comes from one of them.


The competitive dynamics in this field are complex, but the hearing aid cartel uses three basic mechanisms to retain their dominant market power. The first is what’s called a patent pool, which is when a bunch of firms come together to share essential patents, often with the goal of excluding others from the business. For instance, in the early 1900s, JP Morgan, had both Westinghouse and GE combine patents into a pool, which then blocked others from producing equipment for electric utilities.


In the hearing aid market, the patent pool is centered in a corporation called the Hearing Instrument Manufacturers Patent Partnership (http://www.himpp.info/about-himpp/idea-mission/), which holds patents for much of the industry. HIMPP, according to its website, develops, manufactures and markets “over 90% of the hearing technology available to consumers worldwide.” If you want to enter the market with a new device, it’s likely you’ll infringe on one of these patents, which means you’ll have to pay licensing fees, which cost either $2.5 million or 1% in royalties annually. HIMPP also keeps an eye out on “hearing aid related patent activity by parties other than HIMPP partners,” with the goal of opposing granting of patents to non-partners. It is, in other words, a club.



The second barrier is that most of the major producers of hearing aids have engaged in vertical integration. So, what is vertical integration? Vertical integration is when a firm owns an important supplier or buyer up and down the supply chain, like a retailer owning a distributor or a steelmaker owning a coal mine. Here’s Jack Donaghy on 30 Rock with perhaps a more clear explanation.


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In the case of hearing aids, several of these firms actually have subsidiaries that manage the hearing part of health insurance. WS Audiology, for instance, owns TruHearing and Hearing Care Solutions, which runs health care plans and discount plans for Medicare Advantage insurers, including Humana (https://www.truhearing.com/more-resources/humana-introduces-affordable-hearing-aid-benefit-medicare-advantage-plans/), BC/BS (https://www.blue365deals.com/offers/truhearing-hearing-aid-discounts-s), Anthem, Aetna, Cigna, etc. So if you have health insurance with, say, Aetna, and you need a hearing aid, Aetna will send you to a hearing aid manufacturer to tell you whether you need a hearing aid. Surprisingly, they often answer, “Yes, and you need an expensive one!”

https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/silencing-the-competition-inside

[Winehole23]

But how do these hearing aid makers manage to do so credibly? It’s simple. These manufacturers also own or affiliate with networks of audiologists and hearing aid specialists. Starkey, for instance, not only owns a benefit management company Start Hearing (https://www.starthearing.com/), but runs the hearing aid specialist network Starkey Hearcare (https://starkeyhearcare.com/). So most people with a hearing loss problem will use their insurance, which, controlled by a hearing aid maker, will send them to an audiologist who is also employed by that hearing aid maker. Most people won’t know about these embedded conflicts of interest, or the various rebates, commissions, and kickbacks that are likely involved.


In essence, while there are six major firms, and six looks like a lot, these firms aren’t competing based on price or quality, but based on who can be in charge of allocating market share. And there are a few more ways these firms control the market. There are government contracts; Starkey generated $60 million (https://www.usaspending.gov/recipient/562f98c0-b5a4-857a-8872-574c35fe441a-C/latest) from Federal contracts last year alone (most from the Veterans Administration). Some devices, like Beltone, have restrictions that block anyone but the manufacturer from trying to repair them, which is a classic way of extracting more revenue from locked-in customers.

[Winehole23]

Similar dynamics: corrective glasses and dental implants

The ultimate harm is that people can't afford them and go without.


This story of industry structure, soft corruption, and harm, along with an attempt by regulators to push back, is not isolated to hearing aids. In fact, the hearing aid market looks a lot like glasses or dental implants; consumers rely on a trusted medical professional, who has in some cases been subverted by a dominant firm, or in other cases is holding out to help patients, but has increasingly less power in either case. These suppliers all have similar consolidated dynamics, with deep relationships among the specific medical professionals who treat patients and the firms selling the product at inflated prices.


For instance, Luxottica owns most major glasses retailers (like Sunglass Hut and Lenscrafters), it is dominant in lens-making and it has relationships with eye doctors to make sure that most players in the industry have to play ball and buy high-cost glasses. The only exception is Warby Parker, which has its own vertically integrated business structure. (The expense is kind of amazing, given that glasses are more than 1000 years old!) In dental implants and supplies, it’s Henry Schein, and while I haven’t looked at that market in detail, from what I understand the dynamics of pricing are similar.

[Winehole23]

Interesting thread about a boat tour of the Port of Long Beach

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

"production leakages"

the US is in a similar position with pharmaceutical precursors. focusing on efficiency defined as lowest price to consumer has economic and strategic downsides.


Europe has grown almost entirely dependent on China for magnesium since Chinese dumping forced the closure of Europe's remaining magnesium production plant in 2001.


"Between 2000 and 2021, China's magnesium production increased from 12 per cent of the global supply to 87 per cent, creating an effective international monopoly on a 1.2 million tonnes per annum market demand," European Aluminium's report said.


"The magnesium sector is only one in a long list of production leakages since the early 1990s.


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/chinese-magnesium-shortage-global-car-industry-to-grind-to-a-halt-within-weeks-amid-catastrophic-halt/M3DR3QXI6KLWAFOAR5TCO26SNQ/

[Winehole23]

Whoopsie, Nat gas prices are fucking up the supply of ammonia.

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[boutons_deux]

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There's also a shortage of port labor, and a horrible, multi-year shortage of truck drivers to haul the shit out of the ports.

[Winehole23]

There's also a shortage of port labor, and a horrible, multi-year shortage of truck drivers to haul the shit out of the ports.Skint to the bone to maximize profits to shareholders, labor power isn't there when we need it most. Squeezing labor has limits.

[Winehole23]

Working people aren't helpless if they organize and fight back

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[Winehole23]

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[hater]

Truckers get paid per job not hourly.

Thus why the delays dont cost the corporations anything. Most of the bill is paid by the truckers.

Biden if he had any sense left would immediately push to get truckers paid hourly.

[DMC]

They need a catchier, more professional sounding job title than "warehouse worker". How about Auditor?

[SnakeBoy]

Repository Specialist

[RandomGuy]

Screwing truck drivers can backfire

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Oddly enough, my job has put me in contact with people who do this for a living. I think I may reach out and ask about goings on.

[RandomGuy]

Truckers get paid per job not hourly.

Thus why the delays dont cost the corporations anything. Most of the bill is paid by the truckers.

Biden if he had any sense left would immediately push to get truckers paid hourly.

Holy shit. That sounded almost... sane, on point, and well-reasoned.

Who are you and what have you done with hater?

[RandomGuy]

They need a catchier, more professional sounding job title than "warehouse worker". How about Auditor?

https://www.kino-zeit.de/sites/default/files/styles/filmseite/public/trailer/poster/poster_167482.jpg

[RandomGuy]

the hearing aid cartel



https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/silencing-the-competition-inside

Eyup.

too much money to be made.

Anohter free market failure.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

too much of this seems manipulated

Lumber was the big story...until it fell off a cliff.
Recently we had the natural gas/ammonia stories and now....NG is falling off a cliff.

[Winehole23]

too much of this seems manipulated

Lumber was the big story...until it fell off a cliff.
Recently we had the natural gas/ammonia stories and now....NG is falling off a cliff.Price instability offers many opportunities to those with ready cash, non-public information and media megaphones.

[DMC]

Repository Specialist

Asset Relocation Engineer

[boutons_deux]

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[DMC]

https://www.kino-zeit.de/sites/default/files/styles/filmseite/public/trailer/poster/poster_167482.jpg

Was a good flick, I call it "John Wish" but the character he's playing is more interesting than Wick.

[SnakeBoy]

Canada struggling now

Canada Taps Into Its Strategic Maple Syrup Reserve to Avoid a Shortage
https://www.foodandwine.com/news/canada-maple-syrup-shortage-reserve

[SnakeBoy]

I feel bad for this guy. You can tell he is torn up about the decision to cut costs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nBQGWF4Cpg&t=21s

[RandomGuy]

I feel bad for this guy. You can tell he is torn up about the decision to cut costs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nBQGWF4Cpg&t=21s

Three of Better.com’s top executives have reportedly resigned from the company after the unicorn mortgage lender was hit by a wave of backlash over the leaked Zoom call, where CEO Vishal Garg callously laid off around 900 employees.

Better.com head of marketing Melanie Hahn, head of public relations Tanya Hayre Gillogley and vice-president of communications Patrick Lenihan have all resigned, Insider reported.

In a message from the founder and CEO, Garg issued an apology on the company’s blog. The chief executive wrote, “I want to apologize for the way I handled the layoffs last week.” He continued, “I failed to show the appropriate amount of respect and appreciation for the individuals who were affected and for their contributions to Better. I own the decision to do the layoffs, but in communicating it, I blundered the execution. In doing so, I embarrassed you.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2021/12/08/bettercoms-ceo-called-workers-dumb-dolphins-three-executives-quit/?sh=60732bb91e35


Also:

Better.com is delaying its public listing due to changes it made a day before it fired workers, according to Bloomberg. Because it revised terms of its merger with "blank-check" company Aurora Acquisition Corp., it will push back the closing of the transaction, the wire service noted.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vishal-garg-better-ceo-apology-fire-900-workers-zoom/

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:lol right before an IPO, trigger a PR disaster that guarantees you will not get talent in the middle of the Great Resignation.

whomp whomp

[RandomGuy]

I feel bad for this guy. You can tell he is torn up about the decision to cut costs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nBQGWF4Cpg&t=21s

Unhinged’ Better.com Boss Forced to Take Time Off as Employees Revolt
https://www.thedailybeast.com/bettercom-ceo-vishal-garg-forced-to-take-time-off-as-employees-revolt


:lol

[DMC]

Wow I really fucked up (because of the reaction on social media, not because I did something different. I showed the world how it works in every boardroom in the country). I think I'll take time off as a punishment. Paid of course.

You don't lay anyone off, ever, without thinking about it. He did exactly what he planned on doing, only he discounted the ability to record and rebroadcast it. Getting fired is part of life, it could have come in a letter much more crass. Most here have been in that office handed that letter and the Cobra insurance package. Knowing you've been handed your coat and walked like you're a criminal while others remain employed causes some soul searching, but eventually you'll land in a better place, no pun intended.

[Ef-man]

Yup, it is a problem with social media, not involving company management nor employees.


“Employees are calling for a head,” a company source told The Daily Beast, arguing that Garg stepping down is a cosmetic fix more than a meaningful one. “It’s the entire leadership team. Vishal’s a large part of it, but there’s a lot more there,” the person said of Better’s fractured culture.

In an email obtained by The Daily Beast, the company’s board of directors—which had previously granted Garg exceptionally wide latitude—announced that it will bring in a third party firm to conduct a “leadership and cultural assessment.” Vice first reported the news.

Over the past two weeks, multiple high-ranking Better executives have fled the company, including the head of marketing, vice president of communications, and head of public relations.

More resignations are expected. “[The] company culture took a DEEP dive and everyone I’ve spoken to is looking to leave,” another current worker told The Daily Beast earlier this week.

[ChumpDumper]

Wow I really fucked up (because of the reaction on social media, not because I did something different. I showed the world how it works in every boardroom in the country). I think I'll take time off as a punishment. Paid of course.

You don't lay anyone off, ever, without thinking about it. He did exactly what he planned on doing, only he discounted the ability to record and rebroadcast it. Getting fired is part of life, it could have come in a letter much more crass. Most here have been in that office handed that letter and the Cobra insurance package. Knowing you've been handed your coat and walked like you're a criminal while others remain employed causes some soul searching, but eventually you'll land in a better place, no pun intended.

When did you get fired?

[Ef-man]

When did you get fired?

Maybe he is knowledgeable because he was punched in the face numerous times and kicked in the throat by an ex employer.

[DMC]

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This faggot still quoting me

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:lol
This faggot still quoting me

:lol DMC still massively triggered; my mere presence reminds him he didn't know the difference between imply and infer.

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:lol

CD and WH, sequestered to their bedrooms wearing a dozen masks and a toga.

[Winehole23]

just one mask, to protect my sweetie from me.

I was recently exposed at work.

[Winehole23]

triggered by prosociality and basic kindness to others :lol

[Ef-man]

triggered by prosociality and basic kindness to others :lol

Well, he does fantasize about you and CD wearing masks, sequestered in a bedroom, and in togas, so he does have a caring side. :lol

[Winehole23]

Well, he does fantasize about you and CD wearing masks, sequestered in a bedroom, and in togas, so he does have a caring side. :lolgay pillow talk is a well-established theme, imagining in other men in their bedrooms pretty much goes without saying -- but he did say it.

[Winehole23]

lol white knighting "conservatives" breaking into secured government facilities to interrupt constitutionally mandated business

[ChumpDumper]

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CD and WH, sequestered to their bedrooms wearing a dozen masks and a toga.You just replied to me using an alt though.

[Winehole23]

You just replied to me using an alt though.Huh?

I haven't had an alt since I was spoofing as a poker hag when we had games and I ran out of coin using my reg.

[ChumpDumper]

Huh?

I haven't had an alt since I was spoofing as a poker hag when we had games.Corrected.

[Winehole23]

Ah, thx

[RandomGuy]

:lol DMC still massively triggered; my mere presence reminds him he didn't know the difference between imply and infer.

:lol

[Winehole23]

https://s29755.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/new-anchores-2-1200x515.jpg.webp

1471280100138176512

[SnakeBoy]

Plebs are struggling with the shortage of low quality steaks

1487240467804741632

[ChumpDumper]

Thanks, scoop!

[Winehole23]

the high price of beef?

blame consolidation and cartel like practices

https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:s teep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F 922e71db-8446-4ec1-93a0-8541399b3306_792x585.png


https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/economists-to-cattle-ranchers-stop


Plebs are struggling with the shortage of low quality steaks

1487240467804741632Tangentially, great example :tu

[Winehole23]

Deregulation has downsides. Supply chain efficiency (profitability for owners) was bought at the expense of reliability for all others.

1488880685758648324

[SnakeBoy]

Poor workers

They should unite or something

[Winehole23]

Predicted well in advance

1489273094246125568

[Winehole23]

Re-monopolization, new Gilded Age

Another great Cory Doctorow thread.

1489674122787438596

[Winehole23]

Similar solution, with environmental and safety upsides

1489674137731805184

[Winehole23]

dp

[Winehole23]

Wrong thread

[Winehole23]

striking failure of the free market

Baby Formula Shortage Could Leave Parents Scrambling for Months (https://www.wsj.com/articles/baby-formula-shortage-could-last-months-11652371827)

[Winehole23]

not the winning argument Abbott believes.

the US government competently secured an adequate supply of formula for its infant detainees, while the free market is putting US babies in danger of starvation.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSlRls9WUAIYPSJ?format=jpg&name=small

[boutons_deux]

Abbott/Similac is serial violator of federal regulations, but lightly punished if at all.

[boutons_deux]

look up "DIY baby formula"

... to find medical profession and govt warning "don't do it you will injure or kill your baby."

iow, mothers are enslaved to corporate food-like substances for their kids.

iow, the docs and govt want you to be dependent of buying their shit, absolutely not independent, self-reliant.

=============

A concise history of infant formula (twists and turns included)

https://www.contemporarypediatrics.com/view/concise-history-infant-formula-twists-and-turns-included

[boutons_deux]

Evil Nestle got caught and stopped from marketing baby formula powder (basically powdered milk, sugar, vitamins) to poor African women, telling them it was better than breast milk

The problem was the African women didn't have access to sterile water. Nestle didn't fucking care.

[boutons_deux]

BABY FORMULA INDUSTRY SUCCESSFULLY LOBBIED TO WEAKEN BACTERIA SAFETY TESTING STANDARDS

The current formula shortage is traced in part to a contamination-induced shutdown at a key manufacturing plant.

A recently disclosed (https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2022/04/former-employee-blows-whistle-on-baby-formula-production-plant-tied-to-outbreak/) whistleblower document claims that managers at the Sturgis plant

falsified reports,

released untested infant formula, and

concealed crucial safety information from federal inspectors.

the industry successfully mobilized against a 2014 proposal from the FDA to increase regular safety inspections of plants used to manufacture baby formula.

https://theintercept.com/2022/05/13/baby-formula-shortage-abbott-bacteria-safety-testing-lobbying

[DMC]

not the winning argument Abbott believes.

the US government competently secured an adequate supply of formula for its infant detainees, while the free market is putting US babies in danger of starvation.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSlRls9WUAIYPSJ?format=jpg&name=small

:lol starvation

[Winehole23]

:lol starvationwhat happens when babies can't get safe, nourishing food?

Many babies have highly specialized formula for their dietary restrictions, you can't just give them pap and hope for the best in the absence of the reliable industrial product.

[Winehole23]

what happens when babies can't get safe, nourishing food?

Many babies have highly specialized formula for their dietary restrictions, you can't just give them pap and hope for the best in the absence of the reliable industrial product.anecdotally, some parents have resorted to feeding tubes to prevent their babies from wasting..

you're out of touch, man

[Winehole23]

Truth be told, the so-called free market in this case isn't one, it's a state by state patchwork of monopolies determined by competitive bidding, and the major buyer is the USG.

The so called North American Free Trade Agreement prevents Canada from importing into the US, and US law keeps foreign suppliers out unless they set up the factories here..

Such is the US theory of free trade.

[Winehole23]

Apparently it's not finely attuned to the immediate needs of the end user, despite the fact that it is supposed to be optimally suited to that in theory.

[Winehole23]

We see the inverse of this sort of policy in California, where the state is subsidizing demand (buyers) rather than increasing the supply of new housing


So this inflation is due largely, if not entirely, to the supply side. But all the Fed knows how to do is kill demand via interest rate hikes:https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/05/inflation-freakout-and-possible-fed-overshoot.html

[SnakeBoy]

If you’re grappling with difficult emotions, talking to yourself can help you explore them more carefully.

Some emotions and experiences are so deeply personal that you might not feel up to sharing them with anyone, even a trusted loved one, until you’ve done a little work with them first.

Taking some time to sit with these emotions can help you unpack them and separate potential worries from more realistic concerns. While you can do this in your head or on paper, saying things aloud can help ground them in reality.

It can also make them less upsetting. Simply giving voice to unwanted thoughts brings them out into the light of day, where they often seem more manageable. Voicing emotions also helps you validate and come to terms with them. This can, in turn, diminish their impact.

[Winehole23]

^^^ doesn't know how bulletin boards work, stranger to thinking things through

[Winehole23]

Also, no topical take, pure towelsnapping

[DMC]

what happens when babies can't get safe, nourishing food?

Many babies have highly specialized formula for their dietary restrictions, you can't just give them pap and hope for the best in the absence of the reliable industrial product.

How did they survive before formulas? No one did, they all starved! :lmao

Of course you could clamp their heads with a pair of tongs and rip them apart. Your side is fighting to do that.

[ChumpDumper]

A lot of them just died, true.

[DMC]

beep checking in, bop to follow soon :lol

[ChumpDumper]

DMC with no take.

Hopefully formula can be imported short term.

[Winehole23]

How did they survive before formulas? No one did, they all starved! :lmao
Many did die, tbh.

[Winehole23]

The care and feeding of the young can be devilishly tricky. Contrary to common belief, it oftentimes isn't as simple as presenting a boob. Many employers don't give space for that.

[Winehole23]

Of course you could clamp their heads with a pair of tongs and rip them apart. Your side is fighting to do that.There is no state in this country that permits the abortion of healthy babies at eight and nine months. Late stage abortions happen because of medical hazard to the mother or the developing fetus.

What exactly is your problem with that?

[Winehole23]

The care and feeding of the young can be devilishly tricky. Contrary to common belief, it oftentimes isn't as simple as presenting a boob. Many employers don't give space for that.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-employers-make-it-impossible-for-working-women-to-breastfeed_n_5d7a45b2e4b0a938a42ef3f5

[DMC]

The care and feeding of the young can be devilishly tricky. Contrary to common belief, it oftentimes isn't as simple as presenting a book. Many employers don't give space for that.
Funny how many things you're an expert on.

There is no state in this country that permits the abortion of healthy babies at eight and nine months. Late stage abortions happen because of medical hazard to the mother or the developing fetus.

What exactly is your problem with that?
So no state permits it but it happens.


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-employers-make-it-impossible-for-working-women-to-breastfeed_n_5d7a45b2e4b0a938a42ef3f5

You offering yourself a link?

[pgardn]

Funny how many things you're an expert on.



Hypocrisy is given away extraordinarily cheap now.
DMC declares deflation of his valued commodity.

[Winehole23]

Funny how many things you're an expert on.

So no state permits it but it happens.



You offering yourself a link?I'm no expert, but I do a little reading. What's your problem with abortions that protect the mother and developmentally nonviable fetuses? Because what's the vast majority of late term abortions are. Focusing on the extreme outlier scenario of whimsical late term abortions underscores the the absurdity of your scruple and the unseriousness of your argument.

[Winehole23]

You offering yourself a link?An example of what I was talking about. Are you having trouble following the thread? :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

We could whip this pesky inflation if they would just raise the taxes on corporations.

[Winehole23]

We could whip this pesky inflation if they would just raise the taxes on corporations.said no one in this thread.

the cure for consolidation and monopoly is antitrust enforcement. the relevant laws are still on the books, all that's required is for the DOJ to recover its spine to take on anticompetitive business practices and greedy monopolies.

[Winehole23]

you're shadowboxing, CC.

why make up something I might say when my takes on monopoly are collected in this thread?

Is it because you're dishonest, or just lazy? :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

you're shadowboxing, CC.

why make up something I might say when my takes on monopoly are collected in this thread?

Is it because you're dishonest, or just lazy? :lol

WHAT? You don't believe the President? that's just unamerican.

[CosmicCowboy]

He falls for that shit every time.

[Winehole23]

WHAT? You don't believe the President? that's just unamerican.congratulations ins for having a dumb take on someone else's dumb take, I guess.

Is this an example of the normal conversation you've been seeking in this forum?

:lol

[CosmicCowboy]

congratulations ins for having a dumb take on someone else's dumb take, I guess.

Is this an example of the normal conversation you've been seeking in this forum?

:lol

:lmao


https://media.istockphoto.com/videos/the-float-on-waves-above-and-under-water-jerks-and-goes-under-water-video-id1028767076

just spoiling for a fight, aren't you?

[Winehole23]

:lmao


https://media.istockphoto.com/videos/the-float-on-waves-above-and-under-water-jerks-and-goes-under-water-video-id1028767076

just spoiling for a fight, aren't you?Not at all, I just brushed you off.

You're none too bright.

[CosmicCowboy]

Not at all, I just brushed you off.

You're none too bright.

:lmao

And Whinehole declares himself the "winner" again.

How pathetically predictable.

[Winehole23]

* yawns

[CosmicCowboy]

* yawns

Did you wake up? Democrats can't survive if you don't keep spamming us with your shit posts.

[Winehole23]

*hits the snooze bar

[Winehole23]

BTW, how are topical links and links related to topical conversations spam and shitposting? It's not like I've been withholding my own takes...

Guide me through your thinking here. It's not like I'm filling up your inbox, checking threads is 100% optional.

[DMC]

I'm no expert, but I do a little reading. What's your problem with abortions that protect the mother and developmentally nonviable fetuses? Because what's the vast majority of late term abortions are. Focusing on the extreme outlier scenario of whimsical late term abortions underscores the the absurdity of your scruple and the unseriousness of your argument.

Assholes like you don't seem to mind those who celebrate abortion instead of just considering it's not their business if it's not their pregnancy. Maybe you're ok with just feeling good about yourself based on backing the latest social outrage push, you seem the type.

[DMC]

BTW, how are topical links and links related to topical conversations spam and shitposting? It's not like I've been withholding my own takes...

Guide me through your thinking here. It's not like I'm filling up your inbox, checking threads is 100% optional.

Same with derp.

[Winehole23]

Assholes like you don't seem to mind those who celebrate abortion instead of just considering it's not their business if it's not their pregnancy. Maybe you're ok with just feeling good about yourself based on backing the latest social outrage push, you seem the type.I'm for the equality of women and have been for quite a long time. That includes access to necessary medical care and deciding when and when not to have a baby, if the woman so chooses. Bodily autonomy is an essential element of freedom.

[Winehole23]

Same with derp.you miss him, don't you?

:lol

[Winehole23]

I'm for the equality of women and have been for quite a long time. That includes access to necessary medical care and deciding when and when not when not to have a baby, if the woman so chooses. Bodily autonomy is an essential element of freedom.Who's against it and why? stand up be
counted, he-men.

Are women just brood sows for the species?

:lol

[DarrinS]

^ Dude stays up until 4:30 a.m. talking to himself. :lol.

[Winehole23]

Darrin with no topical take, no answer to the question.

[DMC]

^ Dude stays up until 4:30 a.m. talking to himself. :lol.

They love to talk about themselves, it's like a competition among them to see who's the most virtuous and socially aware.

[Winehole23]

They love to talk about themselves, it's like a competition among them to see who's the most virtuous and socially aware.get over yourself, Dr. Freud, it's a bulletin board.

[DMC]

I'm for the equality of women and have been for quite a long time. That includes access to necessary medical care and deciding when and when not to have a baby, if the woman so chooses. Bodily autonomy is an essential element of freedom.


get over yourself, Dr. Freud, it's a bulletin board.

:lol

[Winehole23]

damn you're a bore, son

[DMC]

damn you're a bore, son

This from someone who sits up alone all night talking to himself online.

[pgardn]

This from someone who sits up alone all night talking to himself online.

Its a political forum.
He puts up sources he reads and many of them are damn good.

You come on here, decide you want to try to defend idiots like hater, then get your doors blown off.
Keep takin up untenable arguments hater and others present. You are the master of debate who is destined to take many L's.
Keep going grumps.

[DMC]

Its a political forum.
He puts up sources he reads and many of them are damn good.

You come on here, decide you want to try to defend idiots like hater, then get your doors blown off.
Keep takin up untenable arguments hater and others present. You are the master of debate who is destined to take many L's.
Keep going grumps.
Responses like yours are why people like hater do what they do. You're a endless supply of salt and you take everything personally and seriously, and you want to be taken seriously but you're not, and that bothers you.

[SnakeBoy]

Responses like yours are why people like hater do what they do. You're a endless supply of salt and you take everything personally and seriously, and you want to be taken seriously but you're not, and that bothers you.

Lib tears and lib anger are enjoyable. It's fun to tell them all you want is their :cryfeelings:cry and they respond by lashing out with their :cryfeelings:cry. Even funnier when they claim victory over the anonymous internet foe after their meltdown.

[ChumpDumper]

^claiming victory

[DMC]

Lib tears and lib anger are enjoyable. It's fun to tell them all you want is their :cryfeelings:cry and they respond by lashing out with their :cryfeelings:cry. Even funnier when they claim victory over the anonymous internet foe after their meltdown.

He's just playing sides. It's what we do here but at least some of us admit it.

[Th'Pusher]

He's just playing sides. It's what we do here but at least some of us admit it.

:lol I thought you were an honest broker?

You don’t believe 90% of the points you argue. You just do it because you’re addicted to arguing and the “conservatives” on this board are boarder-line imbeciles so you pick fights with the liberals.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lib tears and lib anger are enjoyable. It's fun to tell them all you want is their :cryfeelings:cry and they respond by lashing out with their :cryfeelings:cry. Even funnier when they claim victory over the anonymous internet foe after their meltdown.

you're bragging about antisocial behavior and willful ignorance.

[Winehole23]

:lol I thought you were an honest broker?

You don’t believe 90% of the points you argue. You just do it because you’re addicted to arguing and the “conservatives” on this board are boarder-line imbeciles so you pick fights with the liberals.if I may play Dr Freud for a moment, I think you're being too generous, DMC is 100% dejected about politics, thinks it's all crooked with no better or worse on either side, and masochistically admires the right's antisocial will to power and sadism because it's working.

And maybe also because it chimes with his racist and homophobic priors.

[DMC]

:lol I thought you were an honest broker?

You don’t believe 90% of the points you argue. You just do it because you’re addicted to arguing and the “conservatives” on this board are boarder-line imbeciles so you pick fights with the liberals.

I am being honest. I said some time ago I don't have to believe in something to argue a point. Lawyers here do it all the time as a profession. There are more of you liberals here, and you use dogpiling in lieu of making an actual point. That was made apparent over a decade ago and it's still true today. Most of you (you in particular) couldn't argue your way out of a wet paper bag.

[DMC]

if I may play Dr Freud for a moment, I think you're being too generous, DMC is 100% dejected about politics, thinks it's all crooked with no better or worse on either side, and masochistically admires the right's antisocial will to power and sadism because it's working.

And maybe also because it chimes with his racist and homophobic priors.

:lol homophobic

You're the one always accusing me of engaging in same sex dialogues.

[DMC]

you're bragging about antisocial behavior and willful ignorance.

Yeah, WH, Chumpdumper and Boutons are social butterflies :lol

[ChumpDumper]

:lol DMC thinks ST is real life.

[Th'Pusher]

I am being honest. I said some time ago I don't have to believe in something to argue a point. Lawyers here do it all the time as a profession. There are more of you liberals here, and you use dogpiling in lieu of making an actual point. That was made apparent over a decade ago and it's still true today. Most of you (you in particular) couldn't argue your way out of a wet paper bag.

Lawyers get paid. You don’t. You’re just addicted to arguing online. The funny thing about it is that you never win any of these stupid arguments. You constantly get shit on. The only person who thinks you win any of these arguments is that moron with calf tats. What’s the point? Honest question.

[CosmicCowboy]

Who's against it and why? stand up be
counted, he-men.

Are women just brood sows for the species?

:lol

You really come off as a deluded sanctimonious prick. Is it intentional?

[CosmicCowboy]

Lawyers get paid. You don’t. You’re just addicted to arguing online. The funny thing about it is that you never win any of these stupid arguments. You constantly get shit on. The only person who thinks you win any of these arguments is that moron with calf tats. What’s the point? Honest question.

:lmao @ chimp accusing someone else of being addicted to arguing online.:lol glass houses and all that.

[Th'Pusher]

:lmao @ chimp accusing someone else of being addicted to arguing online.:lol glass houses and all that.

This old fuck doesn’t even know who’s participating in a conversation

[CosmicCowboy]

This old fuck doesn’t even know who’s participating in a conversation

My mistake. You are one to talk too. Rocks and glass houses etc.

[DMC]

Lawyers get paid. You don’t. You’re just addicted to arguing online. The funny thing about it is that you never win any of these stupid arguments. You constantly get shit on. The only person who thinks you win any of these arguments is that moron with calf tats. What’s the point? Honest question.

So a whore is bad but a prostitute is good. Nobody wins arguments here because there's no one here ready or willing to even consider what's being said. See how fast you lost? You said getting paid to argue things you don't believe in is ok, but doing it for the hell of it isn't.

[Th'Pusher]

So a whore is bad but a prostitute is good. Nobody wins arguments here because there's no one here ready or willing to even consider what's being said. See how fast you lost? You said getting paid to argue things you don't believe in is ok, but doing it for the hell of it isn't.

I didn’t say arguing for the hell of it isn't ok, I asked what the point of it is? Stop putting words in my mouth :lol

[DMC]

I didn’t say arguing for the hell of it isn't ok, I asked what the point of it is? Stop putting words in my mouth :lol

You said I am not being honest, but I am doing exactly what I said I was doing. Don't try to move the goalpost.

What's the point of you asking me these questions when I have already answered them months ago? What's the point of any of the discussions that happen here? Why are you here?

[Th'Pusher]

You said I am not being honest, but I am doing exactly what I said I was doing. Don't try to move the goalpost.

What's the point of you asking me these questions when I have already answered them months ago? What's the point of any of the discussions that happen here? Why are you here?

I’m just making observations on your internet shtick. Does that bother you?

[DMC]

I’m just making observations on your internet shtick. Does that bother you?
No it doesn't bother me.

So again, what's the point?

[Th'Pusher]

No it doesn't bother me.

So again, what's the point?

I asked you first. What is the point of you arguing points you don’t actually believe? Just honing your internet lawyer skillz?

[DMC]

I asked you first. What is the point of you arguing points you don’t actually believe? Just honing your internet lawyer skillz?

I already answered you. If you're just here making observations, what's your incentive for doing so? See how easy you paint yourself into a corner? Now you'll need to beat a hasty retreat to lick your wounds. Go ahead and exit with what you consider a "gotheem" parting shot, I won't even guard the basket.

[Th'Pusher]

I already answered you. If you're just here making observations, what's your incentive for doing so? See how easy you paint yourself into a corner? Now you'll need to beat a hasty retreat to lick your wounds. Go ahead and exit with what you consider a "gotheem" parting shot, I won't even guard the basket.

Refresh my memory. What’s the point of arguing points you don’t agree with? What’s the point of you consistently getting shit on over and over again?

[Th'Pusher]

Sorry, I might have missed your point upstream. Just so I have this straight…you choose to get shit on because there are more liberals on this site than conservatives and you don’t like the conservatives getting “dog piled” while the liberals make convincing arguments?

That cute theory might make sense if you actually won an argument now and again.

[Winehole23]

You really come off as a deluded sanctimonious prick. Is it intentional?did my question hurt your feelings? I notice you didn't answer it.

[Winehole23]

Is a woman a mere brood sow or another equal person?

simple stuff, agree or disagree, what say you?

[Winehole23]

:lol homophobic

You're the one always accusing me of engaging in same sex dialogues.accusing?

you do.

you recently spoke of fertilizing an egg in spurraider21's mouth. is that not homoerotic ideation?

:lol

[Winehole23]

Yeah, WH, Chumpdumper and Boutons are social butterflies :lolHow would you know, tbh.

Turn it around on yourself, what do you see?

[CosmicCowboy]

Is a woman a mere brood sow or another equal person?

simple stuff, agree or disagree, what say you?

Only a sanctimonious prick would even ask that question. Having been happily married for 40 years to the same life partner I can assure you that I dont consider women to just be brood sows and I doubt anyone else in here believes that either. But don't dislocate your shoulder patting yourself on the back for being so enlightened.

[FrostKing]

Glory days are over. I grew up in the 90s. There is typically a technological boom to extend us. Do not doubt human kind to find a new game to play.

[DMC]

accusing?

you do.

you recently spoke of fertilizing an egg in spurraider21's mouth. is that not homoerotic ideation?

:lol

Sounds like homophobic ranting to me. You must be a blast to hang out with, Frazier.

[DMC]

Only a sanctimonious prick would even ask that question. Having been happily married for 40 years to the same life partner I can assure you that I dont consider women to just be brood sows and I doubt anyone else in here believes that either. But don't dislocate your shoulder patting yourself on the back for being so enlightened.

He's a huge flag waver, only his flag has his own image and credo.

[DMC]

How would you know, tbh.

Turn it around on yourself, what do you see?

When you see me doing an all nighter with no one responding, and me quoting myself over and over, find me and shoot me in the head.

[boutons_deux]

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[Winehole23]

Only a sanctimonious prick would even ask that question. Having been happily married for 40 years to the same life partner I can assure you that I dont consider women to just be brood sows and I doubt anyone else in here believes that either. But don't dislocate your shoulder patting yourself on the back for being so enlightened.Women's freedom to access appropriate medical care is being taken away by pro-life loons in your party, but I'm a sanctimonious prick for asking questions about y'alls state of mind?

:lol

[Winehole23]

When you see me doing an all nighter with no one responding, and me quoting myself over and over, find me and shoot me in the head.some people work nights, profe

[Winehole23]

Sounds like homophobic ranting to me. You must be a blast to hang out with, Frazier.PoppingTowelsInTheLockerRoom.gif

[Winehole23]

He's a huge flag waver, only his flag has his own image and credo.you spend way more time talking about me, but you have a point: any poster with a determinate topical take is waving a flag, pointing out something they think interesting or important, or relating the topic to personal belief.

Coin of the realm on a current events board, tbh. So is avoiding topics and telling posters you disagree with they suck, your schtick.

What you cannot correct you can at least insult, profe. :bobo

[DMC]

accusing?

you do.

you recently spoke of fertilizing an egg in spurraider21's mouth. is that not homoerotic ideation?

:lol
Do you think SR21 has a egg in his mouth? I was thinking it would be embedded in his throat.

[Winehole23]

Do you think SR21 has a egg in his mouth? I was thinking it would be embedded in his throat.*yawns

[DMC]

you spend way more time talking about me, but you have a point: any poster with a determinate topical take is waving a flag, pointing out something they think interesting or important, or relating the topic to personal belief.

Coin of the realm on a current events board, tbh. So is avoiding topics and telling posters you disagree with they suck, your schtick.

What you cannot correct you can at least insult, profe. :bobo

Your flag is an image of you with a cross of social awareness on your back, and a crown of royal in your hand.

[DMC]

*yawns


did my question hurt your feelings? I notice you didn't answer it.

[DMC]

some people work nights, profe

Like you don't also spend all day here :lol

[Winehole23]

Your flag is an image of you with a cross of social awareness on your back, and a crown of royal in your hand.thanks for underscoring my point :tu

[DMC]

thanks for underscoring my point :tu

:lol you try to step into the trash talk but get your feelings hurt, then you lash out about how mean people are

:lol you

[Winehole23]

:lol you try to step into the trash talk but get your feelings hurt, then you lash out about how mean people are

:lol youNo hurt feelings here, profe, just describing your schtick.

it's boring.

[Winehole23]

lol twitting posters for self-promotion on an anonymous board, btw

[pgardn]

Your flag is an image of you with a cross of social awareness on your back, and a crown of royal in your hand.

Tell us again how it is so fulfilling to be a big bad black knight and how no one should care about anything if it does not directly affect them.
Tell us what a bad man you are staying totally aloof from trivial matters given you have supplies in your bunker to outlast Armageddon.
The strongest survive stuff, go ahead...

[Winehole23]

Tell us again how it is so fulfilling to be a big bad black knight and how no one should care about anything if it does not directly affect them.
Tell us what a bad man you are staying totally aloof from trivial matters given you have supplies in your bunker to outlast Armageddon.
The strongest survive stuff, go ahead...a man with a strew chest shouldn't beat it so vigorously, it could cave in

[Winehole23]

Monopoly pricing: in effect for the rest of 2022 at the least

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[Winehole23]

the hearing aid cartel



https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/silencing-the-competition-insidewhoa, good stuff

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