Preseason Thread: San Antonio Spurs at Detroit Pistons, Wednesday, Oct. 6th, at 6:00PM CST (2:00AM Riga)

[raybies]

Let's get it boys.

[Rocalcio]

Put Samanic in for god sake !

[XDT76]

Let's get it boys.

If the blow out continues, you better be making every single game thread.

[raybies]

If the blow out continues, you better be making every single game thread.
it wasn't me tbh...it was melissa

but typically and in days past, if you won with a thread you made, you did it again...

[Rocalcio]

If the blow out continues, you better be making every single game thread.

With 7 players missing in Detroit, a win wouldn’t be a surprise.

[raybies]

With 7 players missing in Detroit, a win wouldn’t be a surprise.
maybe im am amuseddaysleepers huck.. and i am the angel of darkness to the other team :o

[jeebus]

Hopefully both of Forbes' ACLS explode during this game and he has to be put down.

[BillMc]

it wasn't me tbh...it was melissa



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[raybies]

Hopefully both of Forbes' ACLS explode during this game and he has to be put down.

fvckkkk lol bro he ain't that bad for this team... like others have realized if you can't take his spot then you probably don't deserve to play lol


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You get it girl...

God bless you Bill and God bless America. Thank you.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Put Samanic in for god sake !

[John B]

Any feeds on this? Thanks :bobo

[Maddog]

Any feeds on this? Thanks :bobo

it's listed under the Detroit LP channel on my local cable and LP is free right now
Of course sometimes it's listed and doesn't happen- pre-season is weird

[Dex]

Put Samanic in for god sake !

Maybe Samanic needs to do something that actually proves he is good at basketball.

We've been giving this guy a pass for two years now..."he just needs more minutes". There may be a legit reason he isn't getting more minutes.

Prove me wrong, Luka.

[Mugen]

Maybe Samanic needs to do something that actually proves he is good at basketball.

We've been giving this guy a pass for two years now..."he just needs more minutes". There may be a legit reason he isn't getting more minutes.

Prove me wrong, Luka.

:lol He had a decent run last year culminating with him having a strong game against Randle. Then the old man benched his ass as soon as that nowhere team was healthy again.

You can say he sucks and he probably does but he hasn't had even close to a fair shake when it comes to the coaching staff. He's probably just not kissing Pop's ass in practice like loser Forbes is tbh.

[Mugen]

Hopefully both of Forbes' ACLS explode during this game and he has to be put down.

[Dex]

:lol He had a decent run last year culminating with him having a strong game against Randle. Then the old man benched his ass as soon as that nowhere team was healthy again.

You can say he sucks and he probably does but he hasn't had even close to a fair shake when it comes to the coaching staff. He's probably just not kissing Pop's ass in practice like loser Forbes is tbh.

Yes, because I'm sure Pop is the problem this young player isn't progressing, and not Luka's complete lack of progress and/or dominance.

You can call me a sniffer all you want...but sometimes guys just don't make it. It looks bad for PATFO if they wasted a 19th pick on a bust, but I also don't think the answer is just GIVE HIM MINUTES and he is magically going to transform.

If he isn't a good player, he isn't a good player...and so far, I'm not impressed even throughout the very brief flashes he has shown. Dude has spent more time lollygagging around on an NBA court than he has actually making an impact.

KJ came in and proved he needs minutes right away. Jones came in and proved he needs minutes right away. Primo seems to be on the same path. What has Luka been doing during all of this?

[Chinook]

As I mentioned before, I think this would be a good opportunity to see if Pop has other ideas the rotation at this time. Monday could've been his first attempt, but you'd think guys like Vassell might get chances to start or Young will get burn if the team isn't dead set on moving him. Unlike last year, there are enough pre-season games to give guys developmental minutes. Obviously with so much turnover, getting real game minutes with the new rotation matters, but just like with Eubanks/Landale, there are theoretically competitions elsewhere on the roster that should be resolved too.

Also does anyone think Samanic might be the Spurs' play for the other two-way spot? I can totally imagine the Spurs not wanting to pay him $4 Million or whatever next year but being down with keeping control of him for another year. Sam would clear a bit more money this year by signing rather than being traded, so it's not horrible for him, but being bound by RFA status doesn't feel great either. It'd be interesting.

[Mugen]

Yes, because I'm sure Pop is the problem this young player isn't progressing, and not Luka's complete lack of progress and/or dominance.

You can call me a sniffer all you want...but sometimes guys just don't make it. It looks bad for PATFO if they wasted a 19th pick on a bust, but I also don't think the answer is just GIVE HIM MINUTES and he is magically going to transform.

If he isn't a good player, he isn't a good player...and so far, I'm not impressed even throughout the very brief flashes he has shown. Dude has spent more time lollygagging around on an NBA court than he has actually making an impact.

KJ came in and proved he needs minutes right away. Jones came in and proved he needs minutes right away. Primo seems to be on the same path. What has Luka been doing during all of this?

I don't think the old man is main problem or even lion's share of the problem when it comes to Luka tbh. Just pointing out that Samanic has shown flashes when he's gotten minutes. He seems to be the type of player that takes a while to get his rhythm before he starts making an impact...just an observation. I would think the team would try their best to put him in a position to succeed considering the draft capital they invested in him and his skillset but maybe it isn't a priority...

Maybe he's not good in practice or it's a character thing....why that matters more than pure talent to a rudderless organization starved of impact players is a different debate :lol

You also mention Jones like he's a lock to get some rotation minutes this year. When in all likelihood, he'll be glued to the bench behind that POS Bryn.

The old man has had garbage rotations for a long, long time now. Maybe Samanic truly does suck but PATFO haven't really done much to help the kid out IMO.

[Joseph Kony]

Luka's biggest problem is he seems like an entitled pussy. appears Pop knows it too. Doesn't seem like he has put the work in and doesnt seem like he really seizes the opportunities he's given. sure he's show flashes, but every NBA scrub shows flashes at some point. i just dont think he has the motor or desire and he probably thinks he's being treated unfairly when in reality he's soft as babyshit and makes incredibly stupid plays every time hes on the court. imo

[BillMc]

Are there going to be any links? Only staying up to 2:00 AM if there are links. (And popcorn and maybe whiskey).

[Joseph Kony]

Are there going to be any links? Only staying up to 2:00 AM if there are links. (And popcorn and maybe whiskey).
I'm sure there will be. it's on the Spurs app again (seriously Spurs, put this shit on the website instead), and I think Detroit has a local broadcast on Ballys. I'm sure someone on the Spurs reddit will post a stream link in their game thread, i'll post a link to it if no one else has by then

[BillMc]

I'm sure there will be. it's on the Spurs app again (seriously Spurs, put this shit on the website instead), and I think Detroit has a local broadcast on Ballys. I'm sure someone on the Spurs reddit will post a stream link in their game thread, i'll post a link to it if no one else has by then

Thanks man!:bobo

[Dverde]

Luka's biggest problem is he seems like an entitled pussy. appears Pop knows it too. Doesn't seem like he has put the work in and doesnt seem like he really seizes the opportunities he's given. sure he's show flashes, but every NBA scrub shows flashes at some point. i just dont think he has the motor or desire and he probably thinks he's being treated unfairly when in reality he's soft as babyshit and makes incredibly stupid plays every time hes on the court. imo

Half of the league is self entitled pussies. Not a big Luka fan, but I also don’t think he is a scrub either. Just a long term project, but at a certain point you have to let him go or play him. That point seems to be this year IMO.

[stephen jackson]

Let’s go luka !

[Spurs Homer]

Link?

[Dex]

Spurs aren't on yet, but this seems to be on the right track: https://www.streameast.live/nba/detroit-pistons-san-antonio-spurs/

[TXstbobcat]

No Murray tonight. Resting.

[ace3g]

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[emanueldavidginobili]

https://www.streameast.live/nba/detroit-pistons-san-antonio-spurs/

[BillMc]

Go Spurs:flag:

[Joseph Kony]

http://thecrackstreams.net/game/san-antonio-spurs-detroit-pistons-live-stream/280935?sport=basketball

this one is working for me, DET's broadcast

[EasyMoney]

Link?


http://www.blueflag.ga/search/label/%23NBA?&max-results=5&m=1

Search for the game there.
Edit: this link may not be the best link. Lots of buffering so far for me.

[Degoat]

Isnt it supposed to be streamed on the spurs app?

[ace3g]

Is anyone else having issues with the stream on the app. I am in the SA region and it doesn't give me the option for the stream?

[Spurs Homer]

http://www.blueflag.ga/search/label/%23NBA?&max-results=5&m=1

Search for the game there.
Edit: this link may not be the best link. Lots of buffering so far for me.


thanks


i went with that stream east

seems to be working after disabling adblocker

[heyheymymy]

Hoping to see more of what jock can do.

Vassell had better footwork was more nimble than last season

[raybies]

This should be a good lineup to watch. Derrick's ability to create shots for the team should be pretty good for these shooters.

[Chinook]

Is anyone else having issues with the stream on the app. I am in the SA region and it doesn't give me the option for the stream?

Did it work on Monday? For me it was just the first thing when I opened the app, like it was a video I just had to tap to play.

[heyheymymy]

Obvs would love more sample size on primo

[EasyMoney]

No Murray tonight. Resting.

Someone was misinformed. They had him in the starting 5 despite him out haha

[ace3g]

Did it work on Monday? For me it was just the first thing when I opened the app, like it was a video I just had to tap to play.

It did but when I closed the app and went back in later the link was gone?

[raybies]

Dammm Lonnie starting really well...

[Chinook]

Loved that Walker didn't just shoot it. That George Hill fake was retro.

[BillMc]

Lonnie giveth and he taketh away.

[heyheymymy]

Walker wants to prove something tonight

Hope it gets more consistent.

[Chinook]

It did but when I closed the app and went back in later the link was gone?

Ah. I'm looking at the app and don't see it either. My guess is the Spurs don't have the jumbotron feed from Detroit and thus are only broadcasting radio.

[GAustex]

Bad rotation by Lonnie and TO

[Spurs Homer]

D white never has impressed me

[ace3g]

Spurs are saying it is available on app again

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anyone in the San Antonio/Austin area can stream in the Spurs App!! the game is also on League Pass for anyone out of market!

[raybies]

Keldon really need to develop a go to move...

[Chinook]

First-year Keldon can be excused for driving there. Third-year Keldon should be better at picking his spots instead of calling his own number when he doesn't have an advantage.

[Dex]

Bad couple of possessions....just driving and then kicking back out to the three-point line with nothing to show for it.

[Mr. Body]

D white never has impressed me

He's a really strong defender, like, a sneaky good one, but he hasn't managed to get on track offensively the way he used to be.

[raybies]

dam yak shitting on that dude...

[Sugus]

Jakob with aggressive moves to the basket is a much, much better player. Did it twice in one quarter already, hope to see that more consistently.

Lonnie playing with aggression is equally nice to see. Won't always work for either of them, but it's a damn sight for sore eyes.

[Chinook]

Thad's getting ready to come in. That aligns with my guess that Monday was a rest day.

[LeBowen]

This lineup has good spacing, but they're going to get absolutely torched by anyone with size on the wings.

[GB20]

I like walker's aggressiveness tonight.

[Dex]

Thad Young sighting :wow

[SPURt]

I hope Keldon’s eyesight is ok

[Mr. Body]

Oh shit, Trey Lyles.

[Dex]

Oh Detroit is putting Lyles in, we got this

[Chinook]

Every three is going down for Detroit. It's making the defense look worse than it is. Johnson's being extremely "aggressive", to the point that it's affecting the offense. It's a great example of why just giving roles to young players without them earning them isn't always best for development.

[SAGirl]

Here late and this seems like the juggernaut Cavs got off to a hot start… :lmao

[Dex]

Every three is going down for Detroit. It's making the defense look worse than it is. Johnson's being extremely "aggressive", to the point that it's affecting the offense. It's a great example of why just giving roles to young players without them earning them isn't always best for development.

Yep. On our side, the Spurs are getting good looks but not hitting shots.

[siraulo23]

yikes :lol

[BillMc]

Just put in Primo so I can go to bed...

[GAustex]

Low IQ Thad

[FkLA]

Didn't watch first preseason game. Just watched a few of this game and I'm already sick to my stomach watching Brent out there, tbh.

[LeBowen]

Kept them under 40. :lobt:

[Spurs Homer]

Horrible


then to top it off

forbes playing over primo

[poopbox]

forbes and mcbuckets on the floor at the same time :rollin

[4lifecowboy]

Nobody seem to emerging as our go to guy

[Chinook]

Interesting lineup to start the quarter. Awful defenders and very good defenders. Shooters and non-shooters.

[poopbox]

That last play is exactly why I hate Forbes. How the fuck he lose Kelly on a 3 when all Kelly did was stand there and Forbes spun in a fucking circle trying to find a guy right behind him :lmao

Damn I hate this fucking guy:lmao

[Dex]

Walker piling up turnovers or wasted possessions...three in a row. (Now 4/5 possession where Walker had the ball in his hands)

But yeah, let's all shit on Forbes for existing and being the leading scorer so far. :rolleyes

[RC_Drunkford]

This is the type of Spurs basketball I expect to see all season :bobo

[Chinook]

I'll also say I love Thad's ability to handle the ball as a big. It would be better if he were playing the five, but it really helps the pace that basically everyone can get a board and bring it up the court.

[Mr. Body]

Forbes already hit more threes than anyone else will hit all season.

[Mugen]

Pop probably at full mast watching Lyles v Forbes out there :lol

[LeBowen]

Bryn on fire, this is the worst possible scenario.
He'll be in the starting lineup before Christmas.

[BillMc]

Come to the darkside, start Forbes.....
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[Spurs Homer]

lol

forbes just earned 35 minutes per game for the entire season

[heyheymymy]

Damb forbes makes it a single digit game

What was the largest lead like 16?

[tonight...you]

Lol. Poor Brent in the fans' 7th level of Spurs Hell no matter what he does.

[SAGirl]

This is a good opportunity for Lonnie…

[BillMc]

This ref has an infinity sign on her neck because that's how long she takes to put the ball in play.

[SAGirl]

Come to the darkside, start Forbes.....
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Microwave is on, save us Primo.

[poopbox]

I really hope we get to see a more traditional "big" lineup eventually. I'm not a fan of Devin at the 4, his perimeter defense is to valuable to playing there

[SAGirl]

Pop probably at full mast watching Lyles v Forbes out there :lol
:rollin

[ace3g]

This is all I get everytime I open the app.

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[Mr. Body]

Chodes aren't gonna admit Forbes ignited the comeback.

[Dex]

Lol. Poor Brent in the fans' 7th level of Spurs Hell no matter what he does.

Seriously.

I'm not the biggest Forbes fan but he could come in and put up 60 points on 20/20 shooting and people would still complain because he is stealing minutes from Luka because "he has potential".

[spurraider21]

Keldon is still a bull in a china shop

[BillMc]

Microwave is on, save us Primo.:bobo

[heyheymymy]

14-3 spurs run

[RC_Drunkford]

Is Murray out for rest? I mean he played 21 minutes. That’s too much for a 25 year old

[Chinook]

Chodes aren't gonna admit Forbes ignited the comeback.

He did. You can see why Pop brought him back. Ideally, Forbes is redundant and traded away. But it raises the offensive ceiling a bit, because you know he can score even if the young guys don't end up being able to.

[EasyMoney]

Aminu and young in before samanic

[raybies]

it was glad to see the team take a hit on the chin early… they responded very well…

[LongtimeSpursFan]

That new kid, Forbes, is pretty good

[raybies]

go to the home page then click on the latest tab and it should be there when you scroll down
This is all I get everytime I open the app.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBDZnh5WYAIRIUJ?format=jpg&name=large

[Spurs Homer]

Where the fuck is primo?

[Chinook]

Is Murray out for rest? I mean he played 21 minutes. That’s too much for a 25 year old

It's not rest in the sense of being too much for his body. Pop is trying to give minutes to everyone to sort out his hierarchy. Murray resting lets Walker start and Young/Aminu get into the rotation. I'm assuming White and maybe Walker sit out on Friday and give guys like Primo, Wieskamp and Samanic rotation minutes.

[SAGirl]

As I mentioned before, I think this would be a good opportunity to see if Pop has other ideas the rotation at this time. Monday could've been his first attempt, but you'd think guys like Vassell might get chances to start or Young will get burn if the team isn't dead set on moving him. Unlike last year, there are enough pre-season games to give guys developmental minutes. Obviously with so much turnover, getting real game minutes with the new rotation matters, but just like with Eubanks/Landale, there are theoretically competitions elsewhere on the roster that should be resolved too.

Also does anyone think Samanic might be the Spurs' play for the other two-way spot? I can totally imagine the Spurs not wanting to pay him $4 Million or whatever next year but being down with keeping control of him for another year. Sam would clear a bit more money this year by signing rather than being traded, so it's not horrible for him, but being bound by RFA status doesn't feel great either. It'd be interesting.
I hadn’t thought about it bc I don’t know about contracts like you but I suppose it’s possible if the relationship hasn’t soured and if he doesn’t catch on elsewhere. I’d imagine they would try to trade him first but he’s unlikely to go somewhere by himself and some teams may even be expecting the Spurs cut to scoop him up. I don’t see why Spurs wouldn’t play him in a scenario like this preseason game. It’s even puzzling but it doesn’t look good for him.

[Mr. Body]

Ten offensive boards.

[heyheymymy]

Yeah that had to be a 15 - 20 point deficit was looking ugly early but then boom forbes hits like 4 threes in a row and its single digits

That lineup afterwards was hot, vass and mcd back to back threes, whole team running, poeltl with rim protection and rebs

This team could be sick

[GAustex]

Low IQ Thad

[BillMc]

Where the fuck is primo?

Getting over himself. That big game was unsustainable. :pop:

[heyheymymy]

Need to see more but I will say the second Thad entered the game in 1Q was when SA hit a snag

[poopbox]

Poeltl still allergic to dunking I see

[spurraider21]

:lol forms making cory joseph look like kyrie dancing on him

[raybies]

pouty mills looking like bryn curry tonight tbh

[Dex]

Good comeback to keep the game interesting at the half.

Lonnie has been hit and miss. Really wish this guy could put it together, but he still has a habit of putting up some great plays then following with a string of bad possessions.

Keldon is trying to do too much, and not driving like he usually does. Disappointing half for him overall.

White needs to be more aggressive (as usual). Same goes for Vassell.

Other than one good defensive possession, I can't say Young has done much to increase his trade value.

Hoping for some Primo time in the second half. :hungry:

[SAGirl]

Good comeback to keep the game interesting at the half.

Lonnie has been hit and miss. Really wish this guy could put it together, but he still has a habit of putting up some great plays then following with a string of bad possessions.

Keldon is trying to do too much, and not driving like he usually does. Disappointing half for him overall.

White needs to be more aggressive (as usual). Same goes for Vassell.

Other than one good defensive possession, I can't say Young has done much to increase his trade value.

Hoping for some Primo time in the second half. :hungry
Thanks for the review I missed the first Q completely and the start of the second finding a stream… appreciated Bro.:flag:

[Rito3d30]

Forbes has once again play his way up the ladder to screw with us

[SPURt]

Wtf is happening now?

[tonight...you]

Keldon is still a bull in a china shop
Disappointing to see.
You'd think he'd be adding some deception and nuance at this point in his game.

[Mr. Body]

I just think Keldon is really limited in his game. He's talented and can do certain things well, but his range of activities is not large.

[spurs1990]

Watch Forbes on defense. Anemic, shoddy, absent. He should never get into the SL

[raybies]

dont understand why in this modern time we cant just buy a subscription directly from the team… cant stand paying for cable when the only thing i watch is sports… or basically just spurs

[EasyMoney]

How long is this half time break? Holy shit.

[Chinook]

Disappointing to see.
You'd think he'd be adding some deception and nuance at this point in his game.

Yeah, if he's going to be a top option, he'll need ways to gain the advantage. It's not a horrible thing if he never becomes that kind of guy, but if he doesn't, then he needs to pick his spots better and do the things he can do well when appropriate. I don't like how much he focused on his in-between game over the summer given how shaky his three-point game still seems to be.

[raybies]

Well two games in bryn already back to the sl lol

[LeBowen]

Brent starting the second half, I think I'm throwing in the towel.

[EasyMoney]

Bryn and Devin starting over Lonnie and keldon

[Chinook]

dont understand why in this modern time we cant just buy a subscription directly from the team… cant stand paying for cable when the only thing i watch is sports… or basically just spurs

My guess is leagues feel like they have to depend on cable companies tricking folks into paying for sports who don't watch them because there aren't enough actual fans to pay for it? Plus the leagues can lock up seven years of TV money but could never depend on regular folks to commit like that to a league pass experience.

[pRoshi]

Mcdermott looking comfortable with this team

[Chinook]

Hopefully anyone thinking guards can play PF just because the league is smaller realizes that's not true.

[raybies]

my stream ded

[SAGirl]

Jakob blocking shots like nobody’s business

[raybies]

see i thought about that but what about as a supplemental income… theres a lot of money to be had with local ad spots…

also while we are a topic, the 2k experience should be the default camera angle… with how advanced cameras are you could zoom in from the backboards… they already can do that.

[SAGirl]

Hopefully anyone thinking guards can play PF just because the league is smaller realizes that's not true.
Let’s tell Pop they need a trade :lobt:

[poopbox]

This gunning piece of shit Forbes can't miss...HE end going to end up being the 1st guard off the bench :cry

[Mr. Body]

I don't care about these players -- let's look at Samanic, Primo.

[daslicer]

Getting over himself. That big game was unsustainable. :pop:

:lmao

[Mr. Body]

Jock.

[GAustex]

Doug McD has some Forbes in him on D

[SAGirl]

If Forbes is the Spurs best offensive player are they lottery bound?

[KingKev]

Mcdermott looking comfortable with this team

Moving well on both sides of the ball.

[heyheymymy]

Forbes

6-9 fg 5-7 3pt 3reb 1ast 17pts

[Dex]

If Forbes is the Spurs best offensive player are they lottery bound?

Yes.

[poopbox]

Lyles shitting on the spurs :rollin

[SAGirl]

Lyles getting aboard and a 3…

[Dex]

Shots stopped falling again for us.

Good drive from KJ....need more BIG BODY

[SAGirl]

Nice layup Keldon.

[poopbox]

Thad getting put on skates by Josh Jackson :rollin

[BillMc]

If I bloody stay up all night without watching Primo....

[heyheymymy]

Salty ass Lyles dropped 2 threes

Lyles made errors look like Jordan

[Robz4000]

If Forbes is the Spurs best offensive player are they lottery bound?

Top 5 pick bound

[raybies]

the biggest problem is lonnie doesnt have good feel for the game… his awareness overall is really lacking.

[Dverde]

Has Lonnie Walker ever blocked a shot? Can’t remember an instance.

[Chinook]

Has Lonnie Walker ever blocked a shot? Can’t remember an instance.

Yes.

[Mr. Body]

I wonder if the team is aware they need to cut players.

[Spurs Homer]

Never understood how ewwwwbanks played over lyles


just dont get it

not even saying lyles is that good- but ewwwbanks is a certified scrub

[raybies]

aminu looks like he still has game…

[SAGirl]

I liked Kelly Olynik, … he’s looking good.

[raybies]

i think if lonnie just stopped thinking about making the right play and just played hed be pretty dam good. he just in his head too much…

[poopbox]

No Luka again for the 1st 3 quarters :cry

[SAGirl]

Wow McD letting guys just grab boards from his hands

[Spurs Homer]

Lonnie still cant finish

[Chinook]

Starting to wonder if the Spurs shouldn't waive both Sam and KBD, sign one to a two-way and roll with Aminu and Young with the idea of reserving their right to trade them later in the year.

[SAGirl]

Lyles got in the doghouse last season and now Luka inherited that doghouse.

[BillMc]

the biggest problem is lonnie doesnt have good feel for the game… his awareness overall is really lacking.

Lonnie is inconsistent on offense and unfortunately very consistent on defense.

[SAGirl]

Starting to wonder if the Spurs shouldn't waive both Sam and KBD, sign one to a two-way and roll with Aminu and Young with the idea of trading them later in the year.
Maybe they need a bad start to open their eyes and realize trades are needed and asset accumulation helps with trades.

[poopbox]

Lonnie has been exceptionally bad on defense in both these games

[GB20]

where is primo? this is preseason, he should be playing.

[widowmaker]

All of a sudden lyles knows how to shoot? Lmao go figure

[SAGirl]

Aminu has looked decent nice pas there and has made hustle plays … he could theoretically rehab his career… needs more run to be seen if the knee holds up.

[widowmaker]

Same thing is gonna happen to walker when they let him walk next year

[Slippy]

i think if lonnie just stopped thinking about making the right play and just played hed be pretty dam good. he just in his head too much…

The old man just benched him after 1 half of starting a preseason game to the guy he used to play behind 2 seasons ago . The question should be ..Whos in his head?

[Dex]

Walker driving again and...doing nothing.

[widowmaker]

Walker dud after dud

[GAustex]

Spurs look lottery like

[widowmaker]

Walker is just getting torched. Oh and another dud

[SAGirl]

Not impressed with Drew this game. Team definitely misses Jakob rim defense when he’s out…

[Leetonidas]

Get ready for a lot of games like this :lol

[EasyMoney]

Lonnie needs to be subbed out.

[Spurs Homer]

Lonnie got worse on D - if that is even possible


too bad - was hoping he was going to impress this season

[BillMc]

I'm not going to get suckered by Pop again....

[timtonymanu]

“Oh no we suck again” Rob Schneider meme

[Degoat]

Man is Lonnie ever going to figure it out? It seems like he has the same problems every year

[Chinook]

I wonder if something happened to him in the locker room. He's looked a lot worse after coming out. I don't know if starting Forbes in the third was a planned move or an adjustment.

[widowmaker]

Lonnie has been exceptionally bad on defense in both these games
He keeps turning his back on the ball handler on pick n rolls dude sees that and runs past him

[Dex]

The old man just benched him after 1 half of starting a preseason game to the guy he used to play behind 2 seasons ago . The question should be ..Whos in his head?

He's in his own head. Stop making excuses for this guy.

Walker has had plenty of opportunities over the past couple years. He has played the most minutes this game and has had the most touches BY FAR.

Right now he is 6/18, 1/8 from three for 13 points, 2 assists to 2 turnovers, and overall a -11 with his usual terrible defense.

At some point, you guys gotta stop blaming the coaching staff and realize that some of these guys aren't the players you want them to be.

Lonnie is never going to be a star in this league. Period.

[Chinook]

He's in his own head. Stop making excuses for this guy.

Walker has had plenty of opportunities over the past couple years. He has played the most minutes this game and has had the most touches BY FAR.

Right now he is 6/18, 1/8 from three for 13 points, 2 assists to 2 turnovers, and overall a -11.

At some point, you guys gotta stop blaming the coaching staff and realize that some of these guys aren't the players you want them to be.

Lonnie is never going to be a star in this league. Period.

He was 5-9 for 11 points two assists, two rebounds, one turnover and an overall plus-two at the half. Whatever happened at half-time that led to him to be benched seems to have knocked him completely out of rhythm.

[SAGirl]

Luka two nice plays… hooks at the rim

[widowmaker]

Walker is like that dude on the replacements, the WR that can’t catch cause he’s thinking too much. His eyes are constantly wide and lost.

[BillMc]

Primo is bigger than I thought he was.

[Dex]

He was 5-9 for 11 points two assists, two rebounds, one turnover and an overall plus-two at the half. Whatever happened at half-time that led him seems to have knocked him completely out of rhythm.

Too bad for him that the game is 48 minutes long.

The problem with Lonnie is he plays great...half the time.

The other half is a crapshoot, and that does not make for a long NBA career.

I said it earlier in this thread. You can't follow up a highlight play with two boneheaded decisions, and expect to be a great player.

If he can't handle coaching, that's not a good sign for him.

[Spurs Homer]

Welp

primo and jock and luka get garbage minutes

[widowmaker]

No excuses for Walker he needs a sports physiatrist.

[Slippy]

He's in his own head. Stop making excuses for this guy.

Walker has had plenty of opportunities over the past couple years. He has played the most minutes this game and has had the most touches BY FAR.

Right now he is 6/18, 1/8 from three for 13 points, 2 assists to 2 turnovers, and overall a -11 with his usual terrible defense.

At some point, you guys gotta stop blaming the coaching staff and realize that some of these guys aren't the players you want them to be.

Lonnie is never going to be a star in this league. Period.

Calling it as i see it. its a fuking preseason game. It aint about winning. Old man wanting to send msgs during ameaningless game .. does not make any sense at all.

[Degoat]

Luka looking pretty nice! although it’s against the piston scrubs. Frustrating that primo didn’t get in until garbage time

[tmtcsc]

Lonnie still cant finish

I don't know, his career looks pretty finished.

[duncan2k5]

Pop benching Primo after a good game... Sigh... Here we go again... Never fails... At this rate, no rookie will ever wanna stay after their contract is up

[SAGirl]

Team can’t play D without DJ and Jakob.

[widowmaker]

Could have been worse

[Slippy]

Bryn will be used as an example by pop for many games this season. It wont be just for Lonnie. Said this as soon as Bryn was announced he coming back

Just didnt expext it in the pre season. Lol

[BillMc]

Primo passes pretty well too. Nice vision for his age and experience.

[widowmaker]

Pop benching Primo after a good game... Sigh... Here we go again... Never fails... At this rate, no rookie will ever wanna stay after their contract is up


Preseason u know better than that.

[raybies]

Loved all the experimentation with lineups… a lot to learn from this…

i still think lonnie doesnt fit…

[widowmaker]

You hit it right in the button

[SAGirl]

Luka had 3 baskets and looked ok but one can’t really tell much from less than 5 minutes against Uber scrubs, end of the bench players and guys trying to make a roster… I’d suggest to Pop that if he really wants to see if he can hold up against better competition he needs longer minutes against starters. I think his spot is in peril but not decided. Maybe he was okay enough for a longer look?

[BillMc]

So do you extend Lonnie? Cut Luka?

I'm kinda disappointed in the development even of Devin and KJ. KJ looks to have the same game he had by the end of his rookie season. You know we lost a lot of coaches and trainers since the glory years, maybe the Spurs simply don't develop players as well as they used to.

[SAGirl]

Loved all the experimentation with lineups… a lot to learn from this…

i still think lonnie doesnt fit…
Hmm explain yourself.

[SAGirl]

Lonnie got worse on D - if that is even possible


too bad - was hoping he was going to impress this season
Remember the videos of him practicing defense?

I don’t know what happened to that but he was not the only one poor on D tonight.

[raybies]

The old man just benched him after 1 half of starting a preseason game to the guy he used to play behind 2 seasons ago . The question should be ..Whos in his head?

you could blame pop or you could blame the players weak mentality… for example if bryn had an inkling of lonnies talent, whether that be athleticism or physical attributes, hed be an all star… i dont believe in coddling players who shit the bed… lonnie needs to toughen up and stop giving a fuck… go do you. go be you and if you did your best and it wasnt good enough then keep grinding but this head case shit is old… hes too talented.

[SAGirl]

Drew and Thad with that minus 24!!! I knew I didn’t like that pairing but damn. They can’t play together, It isn’t going to work?

[Chinook]

Too bad for him that the game is 48 minutes long.

The problem with Lonnie is he plays great...half the time.

The other half is a crapshoot, and that does not make for a long NBA career.

I said it earlier in this thread. You can't follow up a highlight play with two boneheaded decisions, and expect to be a great player.

If he can't handle coaching, that's not a good sign for him.

"Coaching" doesn't mean benching the leading scorer of the starting unit. Regardless of if Walker is a bad player for being inconsistent or whatever, coaching isn't supposed to be pushing the same buttons with every player. It's been clear that Pop has never known which of Walker's buttons to push. Sometimes he accidentally gets a good game out of him, and that reinforces the "tough love" approach Pop's chosen to take. But maybe when Lonnie's coming off a pretty good half you don't bench him for whatever random lapse he had. If you want to try a new look, just let Walker sit the rest of the game and bring in Primo. That way Josh gets good minutes and Walker can get a good game under his belt.

Ultimately, the Spurs are bigger than Walker, and they'll still be around even when Lonnie's on another team. But Pop has to approach this era of the Spurs differently than before. He isn't looking for role-players to fill gaps anymore. He isn't looking for "Spurs guys" or whatever. He's going to actually develop players, and that means he'll have to move outside his comfort zone when talent is there. Lonnie doesn't really matter to that end. There are plenty of other prospects on the roster now. But he's going to have to be willing to play ball with all sort of temperaments now, because he doesn't have a core of talent the fall back on. Even if Walker's problems are Walker's fault, Pop's inability to do anything with them doesn't speak well to his fitness to coach this next stretch of the team.

[Slippy]

you could blame pop or you could blame the players weak mentality… for example if bryn had an inkling of lonnies talent hed be an all star… i dont believe in coddling players who shit the bed… lonnie needs to toughen up and stop giving a fuck… go do you. go be you and if you did your best and it wasnt good enough then keep grinding but this head case shit is old… hes too talented.

Thats fine . My point is the old man and everyone else knows what Bryn going to give. Theres absolutely no need for him to be getting substantially mins ahead of the younger guys during pre season. Make no sense when its not about winning.

[spurraider21]

Loved all the experimentation with lineups… a lot to learn from this…

i still think lonnie doesnt fit…
lonnie theoretically fits with DeJounte because he can space the floor and has a quick release. but if his defense is going to be no better than Forbes, it's hard to keep rolling with that

[spurraider21]

glad pop is using preseason games to give guys like Luka and Primo a lot of exposure

[Chinook]

Drew and Thad with that minus 24!!! I knew I didn’t like that pairing but damn. They can’t play together, It isn’t going to work?

Yeah. Young and Poeltl played way better together, surprisingly. They were plus-six together to start the second. To be fair, though, I also think Eubanks and Young would do well to have a PG and McDermott with them rather than guys like Vassell who doesn't have the experience to be a lead guard.

[KingKev]

Yeah. Young and Poeltl played way better together, surprisingly. They were plus-six together to start the second. To be fair, though, I also think Eubanks and Young would do well to have a PG and McDermott with them rather than guys like Vassell who doesn't have the experience to be a lead guard.

This preseason is about who is going to make the team and not lineups/pairings. Too many players and not enough time.

[raybies]

Thats fine . My point is the old man and everyone else knows what Bryn going to give. Theres absolutely no need for him to be getting substantially mins ahead of the younger guys during pre season. Make no sense when its not about winning.

Maybe not about winning but an undrafted vet from a championship team who has basically no talent, athleticism, or physical attributes is out playing him cause he doesn't give a fuck and he has heart. Bryn, and I'd hate for him to start as a competitive team but it is a great example like it or not to those behind him. He works hard and in a bench role, he is a knockdown shooter. Those are very rare. He's a one trick pony but it's an elite trick in a league that mostly lives and dies by that trick.

Don't get me wrong, it's fvck, for me like most everyone else it's just not fair anymore... He's a good kid who plays hard and makes the most of everything he has... If that rubbed off on Lonnie he'd have all star as a ceiling. As it stands he's a sort of head case... He just needs to let go. Fuck Pop, Fuck everyone else, Fuck it if I miss or mess up. I mean that Kawhi moment with Pop in Miami needs to happen. That moment when Ginobilli told Pop, that's just who I am needs to happen. He's one of those players. He could be great even.. He just needs to stop trying to please everyone and do what he needs to do. It's hurting the team and himself. Sometimes you need to be selfish to help the team and sometimes you need to sacrifice to help the team..

[Chinook]

This preseason is about who is going to make the team and not lineups/pairings. Too many players and not enough time.

I don't think it's insignificant if a fringe guy like Drew can't play with the main bench player.

[KingKev]

I don't think it's insignificant if a fringe guy like Drew can't play with the main bench player.

Well there is a good chance one or both won’t be on the final roster.

[SAGirl]

Yeah. Young and Poeltl played way better together, surprisingly. They were plus-six together to start the second. To be fair, though, I also think Eubanks and Young would do well to have a PG and McDermott with them rather than guys like Vassell who doesn't have the experience to be a lead guard.
Part of it was Lyles and Olynik lit them up too, but Drew had a poor game. Thad didn’t get involved either he mostly stood in a corner. His value isn’t going to rise playing like that. It’s just one game but it wasn’t good. Is Tre Jones still injured?

Also a comment on Vassell - he hardly passes. His summer league was all looking Kobe like without the HOF shot making. Having him run an offense is not good, not saying he can’t make plays with the ball, but he needs a PG to manage the game.

[raybies]

Hmm explain yourself.

Ok for starters.

DWhite maybe expendable in my eyes... For his wage to production, I just don't know how he fits. We know KJ is long term, DJ is up there, Primo seems to be. Other then that it's open season. You have to think about things holistically, long term and short term. A point guard that can play pick and roll are a dime a dozen. I think Tre for example could do an admirable job at a fraction of the cost. I value Murray more cause he got that dog in him, and he's good for taking a game over when ever he gets that "chip" on his shoulder. It happens anytime. He also has that heart you want when you are competing at high levels and his leadership is good for the team. He holds everyone accountable even himself.

DW is a great company guy, but to me the wage doesn't justify the production and I feel he would be more valuable to another team then us. Philly actually makes perfect sense in that regard... and not to stir the pot... but it is what it is.

As for that initial lineup. Yes, theoretically, that lineup should work but there were no players who get their own shot and that's where we missed DJ. Even though his shot creation is rugged to put it nicely he can still create a shot. Yes DW can orchestrate better but TP9 proved that in this system you don't have to be a Chris Paul. TP was notoriously bad at that but he was sufficient. You just have to make the right reads and passes. The rest of the lineup was fine as well. McD has great value in this league. He's one of the best players with his skill set in the association. I really love that pickup. KJ needs to develop a post game. He's too big and too strong to rely on bully drives. Get your ass in the post and work on a fade and hook, basic post moves and work from there. No telling where he could be in 5 years. When the game slows down we need something other then pick and roll to draw attention and he is big and strong enough to dominate mismatches at the very least. Another thing is to me Poetl ain't the direction I'd go with a center... I think if you could find a 3&D big that would be ideal... and I know they don't grow on trees but I just feel his skill set is probably the easiest to find and cheap at that. His skillset is just not dynamic enough for this offense and team. He really doesn't offer anything offensively and that just hurts...

Thad, definitely doesn't fit this team but I though Aminu definitely does. I personally liked what I saw. He still looked mobile enough for his age, he's versatile and he can still hit the corner three.

Luka seems to always show just enough to not be discarded imo. I think it's gonna be tough cause Luka's attitude I have no doubt irks Pop. He's kind of an entitled brat in that regard. He definitely should of played summer league and I think by him not, it hurt his stock with Pop... He's just that kid who probably will be really good no matter what, it's just he's not likely to do it the "right" way. And that's why I think they let him go and sucky as that sounds. But high character players have had great yields for us and low character players have seemingly always flamed out... (Rodman, Jackson, etc)

But that's about what I took from it. Didn't care about the loss. Pop was obviously pushing buttons and seeing what he has so to speak and a lot of the lineups were pretty experimental.

[PhantomDashCam]

+
Vassell’s increased strength was notable at times on both sides of the floor.

Forbes is an unbelievable shooter. He actually has a variety of different launch points, moves to get to his release now. He really has improved in that area.

McDermott may not be a good or even solid defender, but he competes. His movement off ball is beautiful to watch.

-
Lonnie and KJ seemed to trade brains at halftime. CoJo absolutely destroyed Lonnie on Offense.

Poeltl masks a lot of this team’s defensive lapses and the overall perimeter D seems inconsistent.

[RD2191]

Too many scrubs on this team, trade them all for Simmons.

[emanueldavidginobili]

What a way to reward Josh with his efforts in his first game ever with 7 minutes the next game lmao. I am sick and tired of Pops CIA mind games

[Chinook]

Part of it was Lyles and Olynik lit them up too, but Drew had a poor game. Thad didn’t get involved either he mostly stood in a corner. His value isn’t going to rise playing like that. It’s just one game but it wasn’t good. Is Tre Jones still injured?

Also a comment on Vassell - he hardly passes. His summer league was all looking Kobe like without the HOF shot making. Having him run an offense is not good, not saying he can’t make plays with the ball, but he needs a PG to manage the game.

If Young's value is a second or two, it's fine if they don't trade him. I think Young did some good things on the court but clearly lacks chemistry with anyone. It's one of the reasons to not get cute with his status. Young's a very good player, but he's going to take some time to figure out how he fits, and wasting some of the "free" time holding him out for a trade doesn't help. Drew's a good player but didn't seem into it mentally tonight. He has a few more chances. But Landale looked better almost by default tonight.

Vassell is really selfish with the ball. Like Keldon, Devin has to learn when he's supposed to attack. Hopefully that comes with time, because he's not very enjoyable to watch right now. I really don't like him playing PF. He's not a tiny guy, but he's definitely more of a wing than a forward. It's my actual preference that the second two-way spot be used on a PG prospect, since they definitely lack play-making from the rest of their guards. Primo has potential there but isn't ready to be a PG if two of White, Murray or Jones are hurt or in foul trouble.

[raybies]

With all my Lonnie critiques, I ain't ready to give up on him yet... He needs that moment though, that tipping point. He has too much talent and he is too dam bright to not figure it out.

[SAGirl]

Ok for starters.

DWhite maybe expendable in my eyes... For his wage to production, I just don't know how he fits. We know KJ is long term, DJ is up there, Primo seems to be. Other then that it's open season. You have to think about things holistically, long term and short term. A point guard that can play pick and roll are a dime a dozen. I think Tre for example could do an admirable job at a fraction of the cost. I value Murray more cause he got that dog in him, and he's good for taking a game over when ever he gets that "chip" on his shoulder. It happens anytime. He also has that heart you want when you are competing at high levels and his leadership is good for the team. He holds everyone accountable even himself.

DW is a great company guy, but to me the wage doesn't justify the production and I feel he would be more valuable to another team then us. Philly actually makes perfect sense in that regard... and not to stir the pot... but it is what it is.

As for that initial lineup. Yes, theoretically, that lineup should work but there were no players who get their own shot and that's where we missed DJ. Even though his shot creation is rugged to put it nicely he can still create a shot. Yes DW can orchestrate better but TP9 proved that in this system you don't have to be a Chris Paul. TP was notoriously bad at that but he was sufficient. You just have to make the right reads and passes. The rest of the lineup was fine as well. McD has great value in this league. He's one of the best players with his skill set in the association. I really love that pickup. KJ needs to develop a post game. He's too big and too strong to rely on bully drives. Get your ass in the post and work on a fade and hook, basic post moves and work from there. No telling where he could be in 5 years. When the game slows down we need something other then pick and roll to draw attention and he is big and strong enough to dominate mismatches at the very least. Another thing is to me Poetl ain't the direction I'd go with a center... I think if you could find a 3&D big that would be ideal... and I know they don't grow on trees but I just feel his skill set is probably the easiest to find and cheap at that. His skillset is just not dynamic enough for this offense and team. He really doesn't offer anything offensively and that just hurts...

Thad, definitely doesn't fit this team but I though Aminu definitely does. I personally liked what I saw. He still looked mobile enough for his age, he's versatile and he can still hit the corner three.

Luka seems to always show just enough to not be discarded imo. I think it's gonna be tough cause Luka's attitude I have no doubt irks Pop. He's kind of an entitled brat in that regard. He definitely should of played summer league and I think by him not, it hurt his stock with Pop... He's just that kid who probably will be really good no matter what, it's just he's not likely to do it the "right" way. And that's why I think they let him go and sucky as that sounds. But high character players have had great yields for us and low character players have seemingly always flamed out... (Rodman, Jackson, etc)

But that's about what I took from it. Didn't care about the loss. Pop was obviously pushing buttons and seeing what he has so to speak and a lot of the lineups were pretty experimental.
Thanks for explaining your point. I think I am still behind everyone thinking of fit, a big 3 and such. I am watching just to see who can play and who has game without a star around them.
I think some players don’t even know who they are in the league, who they can be. Maybe they have one or two things they can do well, but need to add more and in adding more there’s going to be some struggle. Either they succeed or fail but it takes time.

Ultimately for me it’s too early to say so and so doesn’t fit. These guys need to develop and there will be some struggle. But I agree with you on DJ. I agree with you he has the dog in him. He’s like Draymond Green in that regard. All teams need guys like that. He doesn’t need to be the most offensively talented guy in the team, but he’s got competitive desire and is unafraid. Has the balls that Ben Simmons is missing, if not his talent.

I am enjoying watching games like this because it’s time to push buttons, place guys in uncomfortable situations, get them out of their comfort zone and see what sticks.

I don’t care about the final score either. The other game even when they won it was mostly because Utah missed a ton of shots specially early on. Tonight Detroit was on fire. It’s not about that, but seeing what the Spurs have. I still don’t know.

I kind of expect Derrick to get going soon. He can shoot much better than he has been. I am not really concerned about him until his plantar fasciitis acts up.

[raybies]

Thanks for explaining your point. I think I am still behind everyone thinking of fit, a big 3 and such. I am watching just to see who can play and who has game without a star around them.
I think some players don’t even know who they are in the league, who they can be. Maybe they have one or two things they can do well, but need to add more and in adding more there’s going to be some struggle. Either they succeed or fail but it takes time.

Ultimately for me it’s too early to say so and so doesn’t fit. These guys need to develop and there will be some struggle. But I agree with you on DJ. I agree with you he has the dog in him. He’s like Draymond Green in that regard. All teams need guys like that. He doesn’t need to be the most offensively talented guy in the team, but he’s got competitive desire and is unafraid. Has the balls that Ben Simmons is missing, if not his talent.

I am enjoying watching games like this because it’s time to push buttons, place guys in uncomfortable situations, get them out of their comfort zone and see what sticks.

I don’t care about the final score either. The other game even when they won it was mostly because Utah missed a ton of shots specially early on. Tonight Detroit was on fire. It’s not about that, but seeing what the Spurs have. I still don’t know.

I kind of expect Derrick to get going soon. He can shoot much better than he has been. I am not really concerned about him until his plantar fasciitis acts up.

Very fair and well thought out. Thanks. That point about Ben Simmons especially. I don't think something like that would ever happen to a guy like DJ for what it's worth. He cares too much. He has too much heart.

[raybies]

Thanks for explaining your point. I think I am still behind everyone thinking of fit, a big 3 and such. I am watching just to see who can play and who has game without a star around them.
I think some players don’t even know who they are in the league, who they can be. Maybe they have one or two things they can do well, but need to add more and in adding more there’s going to be some struggle. Either they succeed or fail but it takes time.

Ultimately for me it’s too early to say so and so doesn’t fit. These guys need to develop and there will be some struggle. But I agree with you on DJ. I agree with you he has the dog in him. He’s like Draymond Green in that regard. All teams need guys like that. He doesn’t need to be the most offensively talented guy in the team, but he’s got competitive desire and is unafraid. Has the balls that Ben Simmons is missing, if not his talent.

I am enjoying watching games like this because it’s time to push buttons, place guys in uncomfortable situations, get them out of their comfort zone and see what sticks.

I don’t care about the final score either. The other game even when they won it was mostly because Utah missed a ton of shots specially early on. Tonight Detroit was on fire. It’s not about that, but seeing what the Spurs have. I still don’t know.

I kind of expect Derrick to get going soon. He can shoot much better than he has been. I am not really concerned about him until his plantar fasciitis acts up.

Very fair and well thought out. Thanks. That point about Ben Simmons especially. I don't think something like that would ever happen to a guy like DJ for what it's worth. He cares too much. He has too much heart.

[GAustex]

Lol

[Chomag]

I just knew Primo was going to get Pop's mindfuckery games right after him having a rather decent game...is Pop really this predictable?

[Gibbz]

I assumed Primo was sitting after the 0 first-half minutes. WTF

[raybies]

I just knew Primo was going to get Pop's mindfuckery games right after him having a rather decent game...is Pop really this predictable?

maybe hes protecting him from trade… that would be my honest opinion

[John B]

Luka looked really good with the limited minutes. He has good footwork down low, and good pick and roll game with Primo. To me, he looks much better than Poeltl offensively. With Poeltl, I can immediately predict what he’s going to do with the ball, he’ll pass it. With Luka and Jock, there’s option to shoot outside or drive and take a mid-range shot. There’s just better play with either one of them playing C. Right now I’d rather keep Thad at 4 and include Poeltl in a trade. It’s 2nd game, but those teardrops just aint happening.

[R. DeMurre]

Pop's schtick with sitting young players after quality performances has gotten really tiring. I just don't see it being a learning tool, or anything useful. It feels anti-inspiring-- the opposite of what a coach should be going for.

[Fusternino]

How did Aminu move? Is he still even an NBA player? I was worried he'd fail his physical.

[Budkin]

We’re gonna lose A LOT of games this year. That much is clear.

[Fireball]

that looked pretty ugly most of the time .... Lonnie still hot and cold ... Spurs still dont hit enough threes to compete in today's NBA and we cannot have Forbes and McDermott on the floor at the same time ... wanted to watch more Primo and Luka and of course it did not happen

... and thx to Trey Lyles for burying us

[Rocalcio]

Did it work on Monday? For me it was just the first thing when I opened the app, like it was a video I just had to tap to play.

Same for me on Monday but all of a sudden the stream stopped and you had nowhere to click to access the stream again, only the boxscore was available.

[poopbox]

"Coaching" doesn't mean benching the leading scorer of the starting unit. Regardless of if Walker is a bad player for being inconsistent or whatever, coaching isn't supposed to be pushing the same buttons with every player. It's been clear that Pop has never known which of Walker's buttons to push. Sometimes he accidentally gets a good game out of him, and that reinforces the "tough love" approach Pop's chosen to take. But maybe when Lonnie's coming off a pretty good half you don't bench him for whatever random lapse he had. If you want to try a new look, just let Walker sit the rest of the game and bring in Primo. That way Josh gets good minutes and Walker can get a good game under his belt.

Ultimately, the Spurs are bigger than Walker, and they'll still be around even when Lonnie's on another team. But Pop has to approach this era of the Spurs differently than before. He isn't looking for role-players to fill gaps anymore. He isn't looking for "Spurs guys" or whatever. He's going to actually develop players, and that means he'll have to move outside his comfort zone when talent is there. Lonnie doesn't really matter to that end. There are plenty of other prospects on the roster now. But he's going to have to be willing to play ball with all sort of temperaments now, because he doesn't have a core of talent the fall back on. Even if Walker's problems are Walker's fault, Pop's inability to do anything with them doesn't speak well to his fitness to coach this next stretch of the team.

I can't believe I am saying this...but I agree with you 100%. Let me look outside and see if cats and dogs are falling from the sky :wow

Lonnies problem is that his coach primary motivational technique is tough love, and tough love obviously doesn't work for Lonnie.

People saying "Lonnie is thinking to much" when he has the ball. Of course he is. He is thinking "what does greg popovich want me to do" instead of just doing what comes natural. Because every since he has been here, he has been the player who has not been allowed to play through his mistakes, because when pop pulls that tough love shit, Lonnies confidence gets down and then it takes a few games to get back up and then he does have a good game and then Pop pulls him for some shit and then here we go again.

A perfect example of this is either last year or two years ago when Pop, after a loss to the clippers, was talking about how disappointed he was in lonnie cause he assigned lonnie to guard Kawhi and lonnie "didn't meet the challenge" or some shit. Like...get the fuck out of here. You are upset that some 2 or 3rd year guy can't guard one of the 5 best players in the nba. Beyond stupid. But because a guy like Dejounte responds to this type of coaching, because Dejounte very much has a "I'm going to show you I can do it" attitude, you somehow think Lonnie would respond to it to, and he doesn't. Now you got a guy going into his fourth year and you still don't know if he can be a consistent player because you don't consistently put him on the floor or give him a defined role. I don't even understand how a supposed great coach comes to the conclusion that Lonnie would have any chance of guarding a guy like Kawhi in the first place.

To make this even worse, you bring back a player who blows virtually every defensive assignment he is given in Forbes. This dude legit lost Olynk on a play where all Olynk did was take one step back from the 3 point line, Forbes legit spun in a circle looking for him. So now Lonnie is being chastised and benched for mistakes while he has to watch another player make way more egregious mistakes but because Greg with 2 g's likes the other player as a person, that's somehow ok? What type of person wants to work in an enviroment when someone is harping on their mistakes while at the same time watching someone else make way worst mistakes but somehow it doesn't ever seem to affect his playing time cause "he competes"?

I'd be pretty surprised if Lonnie ends up here past this year...and I think it will be more his choice than the spurs choice.

Very weird that there are people who are like "Lonnie has to earn this and Lonnie has to prove this and Lonnie has to show this." I thought Lonnie already did that stuff by being good enough at basketball to get selected to an nba team. I would think the next step would be for a coaching staff to give Lonnie a legit chance to prove if he could be a consistent basketball player or not. And if that is indeed correct then our staff has failed tremendously.

[duncan2150]

Luka looked really good with the limited minutes. He has good footwork down low, and good pick and roll game with Primo. To me, he looks much better than Poeltl offensively. With Poeltl, I can immediately predict what he’s going to do with the ball, he’ll pass it. With Luka and Jock, there’s option to shoot outside or drive and take a mid-range shot. There’s just better play with either one of them playing C. Right now I’d rather keep Thad at 4 and include Poeltl in a trade. It’s 2nd game, but those teardrops just aint happening.

Luka's Ballhandling skills looks bad for me. He did not look good for me but we need to see him more.

I'm not sure He'll be on the roster in the future.

[poopbox]

Ok for starters.

DWhite maybe expendable in my eyes... For his wage to production, I just don't know how he fits. We know KJ is long term, DJ is up there, Primo seems to be. Other then that it's open season. You have to think about things holistically, long term and short term. A point guard that can play pick and roll are a dime a dozen. I think Tre for example could do an admirable job at a fraction of the cost. I value Murray more cause he got that dog in him, and he's good for taking a game over when ever he gets that "chip" on his shoulder. It happens anytime. He also has that heart you want when you are competing at high levels and his leadership is good for the team. He holds everyone accountable even himself.

DW is a great company guy, but to me the wage doesn't justify the production and I feel he would be more valuable to another team then us. Philly actually makes perfect sense in that regard... and not to stir the pot... but it is what it is.

As for that initial lineup. Yes, theoretically, that lineup should work but there were no players who get their own shot and that's where we missed DJ. Even though his shot creation is rugged to put it nicely he can still create a shot. Yes DW can orchestrate better but TP9 proved that in this system you don't have to be a Chris Paul. TP was notoriously bad at that but he was sufficient. You just have to make the right reads and passes. The rest of the lineup was fine as well. McD has great value in this league. He's one of the best players with his skill set in the association. I really love that pickup. KJ needs to develop a post game. He's too big and too strong to rely on bully drives. Get your ass in the post and work on a fade and hook, basic post moves and work from there. No telling where he could be in 5 years. When the game slows down we need something other then pick and roll to draw attention and he is big and strong enough to dominate mismatches at the very least. Another thing is to me Poetl ain't the direction I'd go with a center... I think if you could find a 3&D big that would be ideal... and I know they don't grow on trees but I just feel his skill set is probably the easiest to find and cheap at that. His skillset is just not dynamic enough for this offense and team. He really doesn't offer anything offensively and that just hurts...

Thad, definitely doesn't fit this team but I though Aminu definitely does. I personally liked what I saw. He still looked mobile enough for his age, he's versatile and he can still hit the corner three.

Luka seems to always show just enough to not be discarded imo. I think it's gonna be tough cause Luka's attitude I have no doubt irks Pop. He's kind of an entitled brat in that regard. He definitely should of played summer league and I think by him not, it hurt his stock with Pop... He's just that kid who probably will be really good no matter what, it's just he's not likely to do it the "right" way. And that's why I think they let him go and sucky as that sounds. But high character players have had great yields for us and low character players have seemingly always flamed out... (Rodman, Jackson, etc)

But that's about what I took from it. Didn't care about the loss. Pop was obviously pushing buttons and seeing what he has so to speak and a lot of the lineups were pretty experimental.

Where do people get that "Luka is entitled" from ? When I look for a luka is entitled quote I don't find it. When I look for a luka is entitled story I don't see it. When I look for luka is entitled body language I don't see it. When I look for luka is entitled social interactions I don't see it. I guess the whole he is entitled thing comes from the way he ghosted his euro team. But...uh...he had the chance to play in the nba and make millions of dollars so what exactly do you expect him to do in that situation...? Not strike when the iron is hot.

The funny thing about this is you can tell he has put in the work in the gym at least on his body because he is significantly larger and stronger than he was when he first came in the league. And even if luka is entitled it's weird to me that a supposed HOF coach doesn't know how to handle that beyond just not playing the guy. You would think someone like Pop could do better than that or harness his entitlement into something constructive and positive on the basketball court.

[raybies]

Where do people get that "Luka is entitled" from ? When I look for a luka is entitled quote I don't find it. When I look for a luka is entitled story I don't see it. When I look for luka is entitled body language I don't see it. When I look for luka is entitled social interactions I don't see it. I guess the whole he is entitled thing comes from the way he ghosted his euro team. But...uh...he had the chance to play in the nba and make millions of dollars so what exactly do you expect him to do in that situation...? Not strike when the iron is hot.

The funny thing about this is you can tell he has put in the work in the gym at least on his body because he is significantly larger and stronger than he was when he first came in the league. And even if luka is entitled it's weird to me that a supposed HOF coach doesn't know how to handle that beyond just not playing the guy. You would think someone like Pop could do better than that or harness his entitlement into something constructive and positive on the basketball court.

Stopped reading after that.. try looking up his flags pre draft.. looking up what you can find about him not going to Summer League this year... etc

[Dex]

Very weird that there are people who are like "Lonnie has to earn this and Lonnie has to prove this and Lonnie has to show this." I thought Lonnie already did that stuff by being good enough at basketball to get selected to an nba team. I would think the next step would be for a coaching staff to give Lonnie a legit chance to prove if he could be a consistent basketball player or not. And if that is indeed correct then our staff has failed tremendously.

Lonnie has been given chances. THIS was another one of his chances to show out with Murray resting and a full preseason game to fuck around, and instead it was the same old Lonnie...a mixed bag of good and bad. Like I said earlier in this thread, he played the most minutes, got the most touches, and took the most shots...and his game was extremely hit and miss.

6/18 from the field, 1/8 from three for 13 points, 2 assists, 2 turnovers, and some wild shots that never even had a chance of touching the basket. And I'm not just hunting his stats here...his game actually looked worse to the eye than what his overall production ended up being. And he is still a traffic cone on defense.

I know its just preseason and guys are getting in shape and the lineups were wacky, but to say Lonnie isn't being given chances is just not true at this point.

[spurraider21]

I think we need to stop assuming that White is always on the verge of being that player we saw in game 3 against Denver

[rjv]

Lonnie has been given chances. THIS was another one of his chances to show out with Murray resting and a full preseason game to fuck around, and instead it was the same old Lonnie...a mixed bag of good and bad. Like I said earlier in this thread, he played the most minutes, got the most touches, and took the most shots...and his game was extremely hit and miss.

6/18 from the field, 1/8 from three for 13 points, 2 assists, 2 turnovers, and some wild shots that never even had a chance of touching the basket. And I'm not just hunting his stats here...his game actually looked worse to the eye than what his overall production ended up being. And he is still a traffic cone on defense.

I know its just preseason and guys are getting in shape and the lineups were wacky, but to say Lonnie isn't being given chances is just not true at this point.

nice assessment, but i'd add his defense was as mediocre as always. and for pop, it has always centered around defense.

[Chinook]

Here's the thing: even if Lonnie is basketball-retarded, he wouldn't be the first such player to make it in the NBA. Pop doesn't get relieved from coaching responsibilities just because he doesn't have his ideal players. If Lonnie can't do the complicated stuff, Pop's job is to make the game simpler for him. It's no different than an NFL coordinator giving their young QB one read or telling their young DE to just rush the passer. "Coaching" means putting guys in positions to succeed, not being all Darwinist and saying "if you don't get my scheme, I'm moving on." Back when we were just talking about role-players that was fine. But with no foundation to the team now Pop needs to be way more creative and controlling of the offense than he's ever been.

And again, Walker is almost separate from this. Lonnie can be traded or walk or whatever, and Pop would still have to change his approach, because there are plenty of talented players out there who would respond to it, and the Spurs can't afford to overlook those guys anymore.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

The Luka draft pick set the rebuilding process back 5 years minimum

[The Truth #6]

With Lonnie he’s been given opportunity, but I don’t love the handling of him either. Agree that the same approach for others doesn’t work for him.

With Luka, it’s way worse. He’s not perfect. Possibly a disaffected loner. And he doesn’t smile like the others and fit the new approach. But whatever. He’s a wasted asset at this point. Either they wasted the opportunity to develop him or they simply screwed up by drafting him. Not a good look in my opinion.

[Truckules]

Here's the thing: even if Lonnie is basketball-retarded, he wouldn't be the first such player to make it in the NBA. Pop doesn't get relieved from coaching responsibilities just because he doesn't have his ideal players. If Lonnie can't do the complicated stuff, Pop's job is to make the game simpler for him. It's no different than an NFL coordinator giving their young QB one read or telling their young DE to just rush the passer. "Coaching" means putting guys in positions to succeed, not being all Darwinist and saying "if you don't get my scheme, I'm moving on." Back when we were just talking about role-players that was fine. But with no foundation to the team now Pop needs to be way more creative and controlling of the offense than he's ever been.

And again, Walker is almost separate from this. Lonnie can be traded or walk or whatever, and Pop would still have to change his approach, because there are plenty of talented players out there who would respond to it, and the Spurs can't afford to overlook those guys anymore.

If Lonnie were a rookie, I'd agree, but this is his fourth year in the league. If Lonnie could show that he's a star just in the wrong system, I would agree, but he hasn't shown anything resembling starter-level talent, much less star-level. You don't design your offense around one bench-level player. Maybe you can argue that his development was not handled correctly, but you can't hurt the team to help his development now.

[Jordan Jackson]

I expect most nights to be like this. If they can get a top 5 pick in the draft - the season is somewhat a success.

I think the team is wasting its time with some of these “young guys”. But when your this bad, hope is all you have I guess.