Preseason Thread: Miami Heat at San Antonio Spurs, Friday, October, 8th, 2021 at 7:30PM CST (3:30 Riga)

[ducks]

Clinton forced his sec to suck him as
President ! And we celebrate Presidents’ Day !

[SAGirl]

Some nights teams will not shoot well. That shouldn’t impact one’s ability to rebound. A big problem is this is a poor rebounding team. Poor rebounding teams need to create turnovers and Pop’s teams aren’t known for that. The talk about our needs seems to be on shooting and defending, and we can’t forget that part of defense is rebounding. Our team needs to put their body on people and we did not do that tonight at all.

Well Jakob didn’t play tonight and it showed,
I am not in love with Drew, he competes on offense but defensively he’s not good. If there’s one thing I expect from the bigs is rim protection and rebounding. He’s most definitely only a bench big.

I am starting to figure out (bc Pop rarely plays him) that Luka is a poor rebounder, he doesn’t box out other bigs and lacks physicality. He’s on the verge of getting cut and this may be a good part of it.

Unfortunately Pop has doomed Vassell to play as a 4 when he’s tall but stringy and not used to that position.
McD is a bad rebounder notoriously.

Only Murray and Jakob rebound better than expected. But good points.

[cd021]

Of course not
It is just the USA history
We should never learn from it
What a stupid Idiot !
You would think pop would want USA to learn from the past. But no he wants people to make the same mistakes over again.
What a fucking idiot! Not learning from the past = idiot !

Aren't the people you support trying to cancel history? Pretty ironic.

[cd98]

dude, we have a day that celebrates him. this isn't just about learning from history, lmao. do you have the first inkling of the crimes he committed?

Please stop. They don’t celebrate him for his crimes. He did contribute to discovery of this part of the world. People are complex. Especially when they didn’t grow up in modern society. But that doesn’t mean we erase them from history. And really, how much do people even utter a word about him on Columbus Day? It’s about a holiday. Pop bitching about that is an embarrassment. There are a lot more pressing things in our present. Where was Pop when Americans were being left behind in Afghanistan? Silent. He’s a hypocrite. Why is he not speaking out about the border crisis? No let’s pick on Columbus? So stupid. I mean, I know you think everyone that rips on Pop for his politics is just a Trumper. But I hate Trump. And I’m pissed that we have had to choose between Trump, Hillary, and Biden. But Pop was a good coach. It’s now passed him by and his politics are so one sided he’s the Trump of the Left.

[ragas]

Top 3 pick coming in… for several years.

[cd98]

Well Jakob didn’t play tonight and it showed,
I am not in love with Drew, he competes on offense but defensively he’s not good. If there’s one thing I expect from the bigs is rim protection and rebounding. He’s most definitely only a bench big.

I am starting to figure out (bc Pop rarely plays him) that Luka is a poor rebounder, he doesn’t box out other bigs and lacks physicality. He’s on the verge of getting cut and this may be a good part of it.

Unfortunately Pop has doomed Vassell to play as a 4 when he’s tall but stringy and not used to that position.
McD is a bad rebounder notoriously.

Only Murray and Jakob rebound better than expected. But good points.

Pop is focused on 1492. We need someone living in 2021 to develop Vassel into a star.

[Fireball]

just watching the game ... mid second quarter and I can honestly say that is the most horrific Spurs basketball I have ever seen ...

[azarel]

Some nights teams will not shoot well. That shouldn’t impact one’s ability to rebound. A big problem is this is a poor rebounding team. Poor rebounding teams need to create turnovers and Pop’s teams aren’t known for that. The talk about our needs seems to be on shooting and defending, and we can’t forget that part of defense is rebounding. Our team needs to put their body on people and we did not do that tonight at all.

yah agree... current roster is devoid of an elite scorer, so everyone else has to put in 100% effort on defense and rebounds... no excuse that we are losing the rebounds battle when all the old vets have been shipped out and the ones on the floor are young guys who are supposed to be strong and athletic.

[tbdog]

yah agree... current roster is devoid of an elite scorer, so everyone else has to put in 100% effort on defense and rebounds... no excuse that we are losing the rebounds battle when all the old vets have been shipped out and the ones on the floor are young guys who are supposed to be strong and athletic.

We play pretty small. Young and Luka are like our only true PF.

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Do you know how many presidents commit crimes and they have a day that celebrates them !

1. Columbus perpetrated crimes against humanity and lots of them
2. Do you see me saying we should respect any president or politician? fuck em all. part of the reason we are where we are is because politicians are corrupt scumbags that get turned into cult heroes like your boy and MAGA nation.
3. politicians should fear the electorate not piss on them.
4. Columbus wasn't a politician. he was a horrible monster and doesn't deserve a day of honor. he deserves scorn. and that was pop's point which if you weren't such a political hack, you'd agree with him on at least that much.

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Pop is focused on 1492. We need someone living in 2021 to develop Vassel into a star.

gfy.

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Please stop. They don’t celebrate him for his crimes. He did contribute to discovery of this part of the world. People are complex. Especially when they didn’t grow up in modern society. But that doesn’t mean we erase them from history. And really, how much do people even utter a word about him on Columbus Day? It’s about a holiday. Pop bitching about that is an embarrassment. There are a lot more pressing things in our present. Where was Pop when Americans were being left behind in Afghanistan? Silent. He’s a hypocrite. Why is he not speaking out about the border crisis? No let’s pick on Columbus? So stupid. I mean, I know you think everyone that rips on Pop for his politics is just a Trumper. But I hate Trump. And I’m pissed that we have had to choose between Trump, Hillary, and Biden. But Pop was a good coach. It’s now passed him by and his politics are so one sided he’s the Trump of the Left.

there's so much here to respond to, so I'll pick al few

1. He didn't "discover" shit
2. Rip pop all you want for which subjects he chooses to speak up about but he consistently speaks out for those that are voiceless or powerless.
3. I'm not here to defend pop. I'm here to agree that pop speaking out on behalf of native ppls is a just and righteous stance. pop can be criticized and I have been on this forum since last year saying he should go. id just recommend criticizing him where deserved but speaking out on behalf of native ppl for this holiday honoring that abomination of a man is not one of them.
4. You absolutely have no clue as to the depths and number of unspeakable crimes Columbus and his crew committed if you want to say ignorant shit like "they don't celebrate him for his crimes" because his crimes should be the first thing he's known for and undoubtedly ppl don't have the first clue like yourself

[cd98]

there's so much here to respond to, so I'll pick al few

1. He didn't "discover" shit
2. Rip pop all you want for which subjects he chooses to speak up about but he consistently speaks out for the party those that are voiceless or powerless.
3. I'm not here to defend pop. I'm here to agree that pop speaking out on behalf of native ppls is a just and righteous stance. pop can be criticized and I have been on this forum last year saying he should go. just criticize him where deserved and speaking out on behalf of native ppl for honoring that abomination of a man is not one of them.
4. You absolutely have no clue as to the depths and number of unspeakable crimes Columbus and his crew committed if you want to say ignorant shit like "they don't celebrate him for his crimes" because his crimes should be the first thing he's known for and undoubtedly ppl don't have the first clue like yourself

wah. It happened in 1492. Get over it.

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wah. It happened in 1492. Get over it.

spoken with the brilliance and education of a MAGAt.

[cd98]

spoken with the brilliance and education of a MAGAt.

Oh wah you called me a Magat. Keep living in ancient history and whining about stuff like this so modern normal people can laugh at you.

[ace3g]

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[raybies]

full video on Columbus popovich brought up on this thread.

Lots of interesting comments and it's worth a full listen.
Surprised this didn't make it around the national newswires and I had to hear about it first on ST. Probably a bit too controversial or contrived I'd wager.

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1446645766215307266?s=20
If he’s speaking the truth then whats the problem… his assertion was very fair. I expected a lot worse from what were saying.

[cd98]

If he’s speaking the truth then whats the problem… his assertion was very fair. I expected a lot worse from what were saying.

What is he hoping to accomplish by shaming the San Antonio schools for something that happened in 1492 and is the subject of debate amongst historians anyway? Moreover, it's idiotic to compare what was deemed normal and acceptable in 1492 to 2021. People like Pop impose their 2021 mentality as if everything he believes is what everyone should believe. Really ignorant and not well thought out. That's why only whackos are talking about cancelling Columbus from history. There is a reason why he is in history. There were things that he accomplished and did that impacted history. Biden blew up an aid worker and some children with a drone to get revenge for the ISIS attack on American troops during the Afghanistan evacuation. In a 100 years he'll be known as a child murderer the way people are trying to interpret history. We talk about a divided country and how we need to come together more, how about we let go of grievances that happened in 1492 and focus on the problems that are before us in 2021? That seems to make more sense.

[cd98]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEw5xe4Ip0I

[raybies]

What is he hoping to accomplish by shaming the San Antonio schools for something that happened in 1492 and is the subject of debate amongst historians anyway? Moreover, it's idiotic to compare what was deemed normal and acceptable in 1492 to 2021. People like Pop impose their 2021 mentality as if everything he believes is what everyone should believe. Really ignorant and not well thought out. That's why only whackos are talking about cancelling Columbus from history. There is a reason why he is in history. There were things that he accomplished and did that impacted history. Biden blew up an aid worker and some children with a drone to get revenge for the ISIS attack on American troops during the Afghanistan evacuation. In a 100 years he'll be known as a child murderer the way people are trying to interpret history. We talk about a divided country and how we need to come together more, how about we let go of grievances that happened in 1492 and focus on the problems that are before us in 2021? That seems to make more sense.

But we are just remembering that he discovered America in 1492. It had already been discovered long before that... ain't much to idolize at least to me. For example Buddha, Ghandi, Jesus, Rumi, Confucious, Socrates, Plato, to name a few, etc etc, are remembered all the time for the Truth and Wisdom they shared; truly worth remembering. Actual stuff that makes a difference ya know, in the grand scheme of things Columbus day is pretty irrelevant but pop choosing to bring awareness to Indigenous populations of America and the natives is very relevant as they done worse then African Americans... No one hears there story. Everything was taken from them... They had bows and arrows against actual weapons of mass destruction as it were in those days... I think it is noble of him to speak on it cause he's probably the only one in the league who has the nuts to. Very courageous.

As far as you views of Pop, I don't think that is fair at all. Do you know him personally? Otherwise your view points are just opinion and opinions are pretty meaningless as it is based with no fact. That ain't my style to judge ppl without knowing them personally. I didn't notice anything about that. He was speaking his beliefs. That doesn't mean you have to believe it. He's using his platform just like you are using yours here.

[tonight...you]

But we are just remembering that he discovered America in 1492. It had already been discovered long before that... ain't much to idolize at least to me. For example Buddha, Ghandi, Jesus, Rumi, Confucious, Socrates, Plato, to name a few, etc etc, are remembered all the time for the Truth and Wisdom they shared; truly worth remembering. Actual stuff that makes a difference ya know, in the grand scheme of things Columbus day is pretty irrelevant but pop choosing to bring awareness to Indigenous populations of America and the natives is very relevant as they done worse then African Americans... No one hears there story. Everything was taken from them... They had bows and arrows against actual weapons of mass destruction as it were in those days... I think it is noble of him to speak on it cause he's probably the only one in the league who has the nuts to. Very courageous.

As far as you views of Pop, I don't think that is fair at all. Do you know him personally? Otherwise your view points are just opinion and opinions are pretty meaningless as it is based with no fact. That ain't my style to judge ppl without knowing them personally. I didn't notice anything about that. He was speaking his beliefs. That doesn't mean you have to believe it. He's using his platform just like you are using yours here.
I agree.
Indigenous people need more attention.
They get almost none.

And we need to learn from History, not just "move on" from it.

[raybies]

I agree.
Indigenous people need more attention.
They get almost none.

And we need to learn from History, not just "move on" from it.
I mean I was thinking when I was gonna watch it that Pop lost his mind and was off his rocker... and how to take the keys from grandpa but what I found was a very educated and fair assertion. Nothing personal about it, just speaking what he knows... politicians routinely are so much uglier... he could have been a lot more uglier but he spoke his mind free from emotions...

[talkspurs]

So we dont want to honor Columbus for putting people into slavery and killing people but we want to honor the Inidians who did the same thing. There were a few tribes that were known to be ruthless and like to wage war on other tribes as well as put people into slavery. Some of them were more peaceful but not all.

[GAustex]

That don’t fit the narrative

[cd021]

What is he hoping to accomplish by shaming the San Antonio schools for something that happened in 1492 and is the subject of debate amongst historians anyway? Moreover, it's idiotic to compare what was deemed normal and acceptable in 1492 to 2021. People like Pop impose their 2021 mentality as if everything he believes is what everyone should believe. Really ignorant and not well thought out. That's why only whackos are talking about cancelling Columbus from history. There is a reason why he is in history. There were things that he accomplished and did that impacted history. Biden blew up an aid worker and some children with a drone to get revenge for the ISIS attack on American troops during the Afghanistan evacuation. In a 100 years he'll be known as a child murderer the way people are trying to interpret history. We talk about a divided country and how we need to come together more, how about we let go of grievances that happened in 1492 and focus on the problems that are before us in 2021? That seems to make more sense.

-Why does the year matter? It doesn't lessen the things that he did.
-When is the cutoff for "letting go of grievances" out of curiosity?
-Why is Columbus being celebrated in the first place? Questioning that is completely fair game.

[cd98]

-Why does the year matter? It doesn't lessen the things that he did.
-When is the cutoff for "letting go of grievances" out of curiosity?
-Why is Columbus being celebrated in the first place? Questioning that is completely fair game.

Well the statute of limitation on that stuff ran out a long time ago. So how long do you hold grievances? Forever? Why stop at 1492? Let's start going back and start being outraged about stuff in the 1300s...the 1200s. There were some terrible monarchs in England. Shouldn't the current royalty pay a price for that? Where does it end?

But I'm wasting my time talking to the 1% of the people in this country that have your silly point of view. Most people are mature enough to move on from more modern wrongs, but only people with mental problems are caught up about what happened in 1492 or they are being fake virtuous, which is probably the better description. They "care" more than everyone even though they do nothing more than advocate for cancelling holidays.

[cd98]

But we are just remembering that he discovered America in 1492. It had already been discovered long before that... ain't much to idolize at least to me. For example Buddha, Ghandi, Jesus, Rumi, Confucious, Socrates, Plato, to name a few, etc etc, are remembered all the time for the Truth and Wisdom they shared; truly worth remembering. Actual stuff that makes a difference ya know, in the grand scheme of things Columbus day is pretty irrelevant but pop choosing to bring awareness to Indigenous populations of America and the natives is very relevant as they done worse then African Americans... No one hears there story. Everything was taken from them... They had bows and arrows against actual weapons of mass destruction as it were in those days... I think it is noble of him to speak on it cause he's probably the only one in the league who has the nuts to. Very courageous.

As far as you views of Pop, I don't think that is fair at all. Do you know him personally? Otherwise your view points are just opinion and opinions are pretty meaningless as it is based with no fact. That ain't my style to judge ppl without knowing them personally. I didn't notice anything about that. He was speaking his beliefs. That doesn't mean you have to believe it. He's using his platform just like you are using yours here.

He did more than just "discover a country that was already discovered." He mapped and charted a course that made travel to the Americas mainstream. That's what he is recognized for. But you make a list of people that made some wise sayings. But I don't care if you hate him or not. You can think he's a terrible person for all I care. But lay off shaming Alamo Heights school district for giving kids a day off on Columbus Day. Heaven knows they need the holidays.

And Pop is not courageous. He is a millionaire that has a fawning media and never challenges him on anything. And to have that microphone and shame people he doesn't know is insulting to those people. He can speak whatever he wants. But I'm free to call his point of view idiotic and fortunately the majority of the population is on my side. Heaven help us when we start trying to "woke remedy" 1492. Does that mean we are going to send all the non-idegenous people back to Europe. That's where this idiotic logic takes us.

[cd98]

I agree.
Indigenous people need more attention.
They get almost none.

And we need to learn from History, not just "move on" from it.

Yes, because there are all kinds of genocide going on in the US right now. We are a country that has learned from our wrongs. Cancelling Columbus is just idiotic. When did liberals start becoming so crazy. Bill Maher is the voice of reason for liberals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB9KVYAdYwg

I put the people trying to erase Columbus Day, like Pop, to anti-vaxers. Same flawed and nonsensical logic.

[cd021]

Well the statute of limitation on that stuff ran out a long time ago. So how long do you hold grievances? Forever? Why stop at 1492? Let's start going back and start being outraged about stuff in the 1300s...the 1200s. There were some terrible monarchs in England. Shouldn't the current royalty pay a price for that? Where does it end?

But I'm wasting my time talking to the 1% of the people in this country that have your silly point of view. Most people are mature enough to move on from more modern wrongs, but only people with mental problems are caught up about what happened in 1492 or they are being fake virtuous, which is probably the better description. They "care" more than everyone even though they do nothing more than advocate for cancelling holidays.

The point is, why is he being celebrated in the first place? He didn't discover America and he committed atrocities, questioning why he's being celebrated is fair game. You can try and dismiss it as " holding onto grievances" but I have yet to hear a valid reason why he's being celebrated in the USA.

[BackHome]

I guarantee you go to any High School and 85% of the kids will have no idea who he is all they know is they get a day off. All my life I have never meet anyone who actually celebrated Columbus Day to most people it’s just a day we get off - And did Pop just figure out that was a Holiday where has he been the last 70 years and how come this is the first time we hearing this from him - I swear every time this team plays shitty or he coaches shitty you can guarantee he is going to go Woke to deflect his shitty coaching - But it’s pretty shitty calling out your own city schools over a Holiday on National media that’s a great way to brings fans into seats

[talkspurs]

The point is, why is he being celebrated in the first place? He didn't discover America and he committed atrocities, questioning why he's being celebrated is fair game. You can try and dismiss it as " holding onto grievances" but I have yet to hear a valid reason why he's being celebrated in the USA.

He is be celebrated because he discovered it and brought the knowledge back to Europe which in turn is what lead almost everyone over here. Without him who knows it would have been discovered and people moved over. Yes I know others had found it first but it did not lead to people coming over from Europe.

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Yes, because there are all kinds of genocide going on in the US right now. We are a country that has learned from our wrongs. Cancelling Columbus is just idiotic. When did liberals start becoming so crazy. Bill Maher is the voice of reason for liberals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB9KVYAdYwg

I put the people trying to erase Columbus Day, like Pop, to anti-vaxers. Same flawed and nonsensical logic.

he needs not be honored, you dillweed. that's all that's being argued but you're too much of a political hack to compare that to wokeness and liberal cancellation. grow the fuck up and realize we need to stop putting up statues for butchers and others like them.

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Yes, because there are all kinds of genocide going on in the US right now. We are a country that has learned from our wrongs. Cancelling Columbus is just idiotic. When did liberals start becoming so crazy. Bill Maher is the voice of reason for liberals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB9KVYAdYwg

I put the people trying to erase Columbus Day, like Pop, to anti-vaxers. Same flawed and nonsensical logic.

yeah, you would, and I pity you for it.

[TimDunkem]

Imagine thinking a butcher like Columbus is worthy of a stupid holiday. Anyone complaining probably has a government job and is just mad they don't get the day off anymore.

[raybies]

Is Columbus day celebrated anywhere else in the world? real question, I don't know... and if so why is it here? he's not even American LUL... If it's to honor our history as USA, I mean I guess... I mean the first colony in what is now the US was in Jamestown. We don't owe Columbus anything tbh, its common knowledge this continent was discovered before hand.

As Pop has said, and alluded to, true history of this country would go to the indigenous ppl but it is such a stain in our "great" country's glorious rise to power. And if this stain wasn't thrown under the bed maybe we could cleanse or vindicate how much wrong was done just to get this country started for so many ppl of color. It's something that definitely needs to be admitted for vindication cause so many ppl live in shame... I mean Native Americans who have lived here for thousands of years live as outcasts on reservations... but what is this country's inclination to do you may ask? It continues denial and the cover up so to speak. Let the truth come out.

No one who is "privileged" will ever understand how much vindication can lead to retribution and reconciliation, how necessary it is for ppl to be vindicated so they may experience liberty. A lot of ppl will never know how many ppl are enslaved by shame, and a simple, "I believe you," or "I understand," can change the rest of their lives.

I understand if "wokeness" and "cancel culture" is just moronic but if someone is actually trying to raise awareness on a worthy cause why not listen.

Tbh CD98 you sound like an actual Karen. And karens are terms for judgmental and critical women. Stop your bitching bro and learn to listen. learn to understand. a paradigm shift that desperately needs to happen is ppl learning to keep their mouths shut, open their ears and understand why. Hear the whole story and you would be surprised at what you learn. Then once you have heard the whole story make a judgment if you can. When you truly know your enemy you love them.

[cd98]

he needs not be honored, you dillweed. that's all that's being argued but you're too much of a political hack to compare that to wokeness and liberal cancellation. grow the fuck up and realize we need to stop putting up statues for butchers and others like them.

Name calling? If he was a butcher, then so was Kennedy in sending troops to Vietnam. Should we remove his presidntial library? Same with LBJ.

And there is a reason why scholars study and debate Christopher Columbus, who lived in 1492 and it was bc of his contributions to settlement in the Americas. If you think the wars and disease that followed his work is all on him, then you must also think the same of Kennedy, LBJ, and Nixon. They are butchers if he is. Where is Pop calling for the Kennedy Library yo be shut down for invading Vietnam and killing people, including many civilians. And is Biden a butcher for killing an aid worker and children for retribution for the attack in Afghanistan? Scholars debate the role Columbus had. Look you can think what you want. You and the 1% that agree with you. But the vast majority think your viewpoint on that is idiotic and it is. It has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with people obsessing about stupid irrelevant takes on ending Columbus Day. Why not spend talk about ending poverty or health care or something that actually matters today?

[spurraider21]

Name calling? If he was a butcher, then so was Kennedy in sending troops to Vietnam. Should we remove his presidntial library? Same with LBJ.

And there is a reason why scholars study and debate Christopher Columbus, who lived in 1492 and it was bc of his contributions to settlement in the Americas. If you think the wars and disease that followed his work is all on him, then you must also think the same of Kennedy, LBJ, and Nixon. They are butchers if he is. Where is Pop calling for the Kennedy Library yo be shut down for invading Vietnam and killing people, including many civilians. And is Biden a butcher for killing an aid worker and children for retribution for the attack in Afghanistan? Scholars debate the role Columbus had. Look you can think what you want. You and the 1% that agree with you. But the vast majority think your viewpoint on that is idiotic and it is. It has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with people obsessing about stupid irrelevant takes on ending Columbus Day. Why not spend talk about ending poverty or health care or something that actually matters today?
:lol thinking columbus was just some peaceful explorer who had nothing to do with the bloodshed that happened here

[raybies]

He did more than just "discover a country that was already discovered." He mapped and charted a course that made travel to the Americas mainstream. That's what he is recognized for. But you make a list of people that made some wise sayings. But I don't care if you hate him or not. You can think he's a terrible person for all I care. But lay off shaming Alamo Heights school district for giving kids a day off on Columbus Day. Heaven knows they need the holidays.

And Pop is not courageous. He is a millionaire that has a fawning media and never challenges him on anything. And to have that microphone and shame people he doesn't know is insulting to those people. He can speak whatever he wants. But I'm free to call his point of view idiotic and fortunately the majority of the population is on my side. Heaven help us when we start trying to "woke remedy" 1492. Does that mean we are going to send all the non-idegenous people back to Europe. That's where this idiotic logic takes us.

You are dumb. I don't expect you to understand intelligence.

I don't have anything personal against Alamo Heights, Columbus, or Columbus day whatever, only to say that he made a fair assertion and you come off like periodic Karen with God knows what kind of reasoning that led you to the conclusion that you need to defend one of the more meaningless national holidays we have and more to get this worked up about it. Are you a soft pussy? Who cares man. I have no idea why it is a national holiday... Don't care tbh only that he makes a fair point. Not wrong to talk about a topic when it arises. It's not like it's June and he randomly brought it up.

You probably right. He probably isn't courageous in this matter at all, because courage is a dualistic partner to fear. In that regard, I don't think he was afraid at all to talk about this... I don't think he cares at all what ppl think or the consequences of speaking his truth.

Also just because a guy is a millionaire doesn't mean he can't be listened to. That is so disrespectful. Some millionaires are dumb as rocks but Pop to be fair is well educated, served time for the country, and is a well respected man. Presidents are all millionaires and politicians, and doctors etc etc. That is just such an ignorant defense I can only assume you are remedial.

Not even gonna respond to the weird flexs... It's comedic.

As far as the sending ppl back, nah man, but we can always give land back.

[raybies]

:lol thinking columbus was just some peaceful explorer who had nothing to do with the bloodshed that happened here
he wasn't even american lol I don't even know why any Karen would get their panties in a wad about the matter but that's what they do lol
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[raybies]

Name calling? If he was a butcher, then so was Kennedy in sending troops to Vietnam. Should we remove his presidntial library? Same with LBJ.

And there is a reason why scholars study and debate Christopher Columbus, who lived in 1492 and it was bc of his contributions to settlement in the Americas. If you think the wars and disease that followed his work is all on him, then you must also think the same of Kennedy, LBJ, and Nixon. They are butchers if he is. Where is Pop calling for the Kennedy Library yo be shut down for invading Vietnam and killing people, including many civilians. And is Biden a butcher for killing an aid worker and children for retribution for the attack in Afghanistan? Scholars debate the role Columbus had. Look you can think what you want. You and the 1% that agree with you. But the vast majority think your viewpoint on that is idiotic and it is. It has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with people obsessing about stupid irrelevant takes on ending Columbus Day. Why not spend talk about ending poverty or health care or something that actually matters today?

What are you talking about... I understand what you are doing though; preemptively defending your arguments only it hasn't gotten that far, which leads me to assume you have been discussing this for awhile lol. Your defenses are very loose I might add and if you would like to start at square one and make the assertions more relevant that would make more sense. You are using hypocrisy as an argument for your case. Believe me I get it. Only it would be better to ask Pop first then to assume all of sudden if he brings up one topic then all of sudden why isn't he bringing everything else up. You literally sound like a rambling idiot. I'm sure he has plenty to say about all kinds of things, only from what I have seen and heard, he brings things up in it's season. You know ppl ask him questions, and... he answers.

And you may find the words offensive, that's ok, I'd petition you to look up the meaning of the words first, because I am expressing myself about what I see from your responses. The name calling defense is soft and sensitive. Toughen up.

[raybies]

I think it's so funny when ppl of privilege feel shame for a second and are so quick to snap about it.. like bitch try living with it your whole life and not being able to do anything about it, then talk to me.

I speak from experience. I have been vindicated and set free. There does indeed exist a type of ppl that are "privileged" and do have "master" type mentalities. I have experienced it and witnessed it first hand, especially while owning and operating my business. My thing is I don't exclusively associate them with any race entirely.

So like I said, to you Karens, before you decide to just bitch about any off thing that rubs you the right/wrong way, first try to understand. Shut your asshole up, and take the hate out your ears and put yourself in others position. ASK WHY.

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Name calling? If he was a butcher, then so was Kennedy in sending troops to Vietnam. Should we remove his presidntial library? Same with LBJ.

And there is a reason why scholars study and debate Christopher Columbus, who lived in 1492 and it was bc of his contributions to settlement in the Americas. If you think the wars and disease that followed his work is all on him, then you must also think the same of Kennedy, LBJ, and Nixon. They are butchers if he is. Where is Pop calling for the Kennedy Library yo be shut down for invading Vietnam and killing people, including many civilians. And is Biden a butcher for killing an aid worker and children for retribution for the attack in Afghanistan? Scholars debate the role Columbus had. Look you can think what you want. You and the 1% that agree with you. But the vast majority think your viewpoint on that is idiotic and it is. It has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with people obsessing about stupid irrelevant takes on ending Columbus Day. Why not spend talk about ending poverty or health care or something that actually matters today?

sorry I insulted weeds by likening them to you. you're more of a potted plant on logic.

Like you GAF about ending poverty or making sure all Americanshave healthcare (notice I did not say health insurance)...lmao.

and again, I don't worship politicians. and if they ever commit crimes like the ones Columbus did, I'm all about roasting them alive. and no, scholars do not debate his role. they merely need to read the journals of he and his crew.

you're simply out of your element here donny:

https://www.vox.com/2014/10/13/6957875/christopher-columbus-murderer-tyrant-scoundrel

[raybies]

sorry I insulted weeds by likening them to you. you're more of a potted plant on logic.

Like you GAF about ending poverty or making sure all Americanshave healthcare (notice I did not say health insurance)...lmao.

and again, I don't worship politicians. and if they ever commit crimes like the ones Columbus did, I'm all about roasting them alive.

you're simply out of your element here donny
Nah man, most of the population agrees with him apparently... We are actually just trash juice in a dumpster fire. I mean what would Spurstalkers know about anything important. We should just shut up and dribble, I mean shut up and type Spurs...

I'm apolitical, areligious etc. And that doesn't mean I don't have a side in those matters, it's just the things I value are being misrepresented and perverted to fit agenda/propaganda. Some ppl, doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, will follow their factions... That ain't me. If something ain't right I'm gonna call it like it is whether it's left or right.

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Yes, because there are all kinds of genocide going on in the US right now. We are a country that has learned from our wrongs. Cancelling Columbus is just idiotic. When did liberals start becoming so crazy. Bill Maher is the voice of reason for liberals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB9KVYAdYwg

I put the people trying to erase Columbus Day, like Pop, to anti-vaxers. Same flawed and nonsensical logic.
You can think what you want. Not like I'm going to change anything.

[Mr. Body]

Well the statute of limitation on that stuff ran out a long time ago. So how long do you hold grievances? Forever? Why stop at 1492? Let's start going back and start being outraged about stuff in the 1300s...the 1200s. There were some terrible monarchs in England. Shouldn't the current royalty pay a price for that? Where does it end?

But I'm wasting my time talking to the 1% of the people in this country that have your silly point of view. Most people are mature enough to move on from more modern wrongs, but only people with mental problems are caught up about what happened in 1492 or they are being fake virtuous, which is probably the better description. They "care" more than everyone even though they do nothing more than advocate for cancelling holidays.

i love how conservative white dipshits always "want to move on." It's fucking hilarious.

[Mr. Body]

:lol thinking columbus was just some peaceful explorer who had nothing to do with the bloodshed that happened here

Didn't Columbus chop off the hands of thousands of natives and let his men run rape and murder roughshod over everyone? Columbus was such an insane violent freak, no one in Europe wanted to deal with him.

[Mr. Body]

Yes, because there are all kinds of genocide going on in the US right now. We are a country that has learned from our wrongs. Cancelling Columbus is just idiotic. When did liberals start becoming so crazy. Bill Maher is the voice of reason for liberals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB9KVYAdYwg

I put the people trying to erase Columbus Day, like Pop, to anti-vaxers. Same flawed and nonsensical logic.

Conservatives worship their media dipshits so much, cretins like Tucker fucking Carlson, they assume everyone else is as mentally disabled as they are and give a shit about Bill Maher. No one gives a shit about Bill Maher.

[raybies]

Conservatives worship their media dipshits so much, cretins like Tucker fucking Carlson, they assume everyone else is as mentally disabled as they are and give a shit about Bill Maher. No one gives a shit about Bill Maher.
to be fair, both sides worship their media dipshits as you call them... just fools calling each other fools. I stopped engaging politically for the most part.. just let the animals kill each other tbh...

[Mr. Body]

to be fair, both sides worship their media dipshits as you call them... just fools calling each other fools. I stopped engaging politically for the most part.. just let the animals kill each other tbh...

What media do liberals or leftists worship? They'll watch Rachel Maddow, but don't worship her. Tucker Carlson, who is vaccinated, literally tells his army of buffoons not to vaccinate themselves, and they don't. No one is worshipping Jake Tapper. I have plenty of family who WORSHIP Tucker Carlson.

Sorry, I don't buy this "both sides are equally bad" bullshit.

[raybies]

What media do liberals or leftists worship? They'll watch Rachel Maddow, but don't worship her. Tucker Carlson, who is vaccinated, literally tells his army of buffoons not to vaccinate themselves, and they don't. No one is worshipping Jake Tapper. I have plenty of family who WORSHIP Tucker Carlson.

Sorry, I don't buy this "both sides are equally bad" bullshit.
that's the problem.. both sides think their shit don't stink... both sides have errors and need better leadership. It's so ironic left and right fight each other so vehemently... looking at it outside the box though it really puts things in perspective...

but tbh, I don't care about it enough to try and "save you" or them... You do you and I'll do me. I just know I have so much peace and joy in my life and I don't give a fuck.. Politicians ain't been doing shit for me. If I need something done I'll do it myself. I'm a blue collar guy.

[cd021]

He is be celebrated because he discovered it and brought the knowledge back to Europe which in turn is what lead almost everyone over here. Without him who knows it would have been discovered and people moved over. Yes I know others had found it first but it did not lead to people coming over from Europe.

Yeah, that's a pretty thin reason to celebrate him in the U.S. Literally the only thing most schools teach about him is " In 1492, he sailed the ocean blue". Considering all the shit he did, its not a lot to ask to keep the national holiday but change who it honors (i.e. indigenous people's day)