Crypto (Bitcoin, Ethereum, etc.)

[Darth_Pelican]

So it's basically doing the same thing that it's done countless times.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Artboard-1-2.jpg

[spurraider21]

U.S. SEC threatens to sue Coinbase over some crypto products (https://www.reuters.com/legal/coinbase-issued-wells-notice-by-sec-2023-03-22/)

[MultiTroll]

godspeed

https://watcher.guru/news/us-congressman-officially-introduces-bill-to-remove-sec-chair-gary-gensler
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[MultiTroll]

Go F yourself Montgomery Burns.
Hopefully this passes.
Who knows with the Congress Critters.

https://watcher.guru/news/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/1200x-1-1-2-1024x649.jpg.webp

[MultiTroll]

XRP could stand to gain significantly if Judge Torres rules against SEC and it's head bitch Gary Gensler above.

Now would be the time to buy. (Actually a month ago at .33 was.)
If some super corrupt ruling comes thru, then XRP will get F'd.

So if you're in a gamblin mode, put some green on XRP Ripple.

[Darth_Pelican]

XRP :wow

[spurraider21]

:lol

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Notice though that this disaster is left off the MSM agenda calendar altogether; CNN, MSNBC, even FOX will not touch it. It's commerce and they do not want to, in Effy's jargon "fuck around" with it and then come to "find out" it's cancer.

[MultiTroll]

:lol
Notice though that this disaster is left off the MSM agenda calendar altogether; CNN, MSNBC, even FOX will not touch it. It's commerce and they do not want to, in Effy's jargon "fuck around" with it and then come to "find out" it's cancer.
Some crypto is far more efficient then paper money, and the only reason it's being blocked in the US is the corrupt banksters and their bitch politicians want to keep gouging their oppressive fees.

Get with the updated information program, Boomer.

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Some crypto is far more efficient then paper money, and the only reason it's being blocked in the US is the corrupt banksters and their bitch politicians want to keep gouging their oppressive fees.

Get with the updated information program, Boomer.

No thanks. I started with the 4 letters & I'll go home with who brung me...FDIC.

[ChumpDumper]

Some crypto is far more efficient then paper money, and the only reason it's being blocked in the US is the corrupt banksters and their bitch politicians want to keep gouging their oppressive fees.

Get with the updated information program, Boomer.

How much business do you do in crypto?

Give us your weekly average of crypto transactions.

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How much business do you do in crypto?

Give us your weekly average of crypto transactions.

The old Dumper on a question spree late last night.

[DeadlyDynasty]

:lol

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The universe tends to unfold as it should

[Spurminator]

Top Shot was kind of fun for a while but I couldn't believe how much money people were paying for some of that shit. I haven't even logged in in over a year.

[MultiTroll]

How much business do you do in crypto?

Give us your weekly average of crypto transactions.
If you're at the year end party I'll tell you.

[ChumpDumper]

If you're at the year end party I'll tell you.Just say zero. It's OK.

[MultiTroll]

Just say zero. It's OK.
Nosey little ankle biter thinks they are entitled to get up in other peoples bidness. :lol

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crofl

The universe tends to unfold as it should

It turned Matt Damon into an old man>>>overnight.

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Top Shot was kind of fun for a while but I couldn't believe how much money people were paying for some of that shit. I haven't even logged in in over a year.

Yep, there is nothing worse than people losing money.

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Nosey little ankle biter thinks they are entitled to get up in other peoples bidness. :lol

Just say it, Mult, how much, son?

[ChumpDumper]

Nosey little ankle biter thinks they are entitled to get up in other peoples bidness. :lol

You brought it up. Now you shut the fuck up about it.:tu

[MultiTroll]

Just say it, Mult, how much, son?
Got tipped off in 2013 it twas coming.

I don't jump in and out. Converted to USD when the juiciness was juicy.

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Got tipped off in 2013 it twas coming.

I don't jump in and out. Converted to USD when the juiciness was juicy.

Thank Christ, no matter the person, could be my worst enemy, I never want to see people lose money. Die? Yes. Lose money? No.

[spurraider21]

The secret life of Jimmy Zhong, who stole – and lost – more than $3 billion (https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/17/crypto911.html)
absolutely insane article. great read

[spurraider21]

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[Darth_Pelican]

Bitcoin Soars Past $37,000, Touching 18-Month High on ETF Optimism
https://decrypt.co/205317/bitcoin-blows-past-37000-touching-18-month-high-on-etf-optimism

[Darth_Pelican]

crypto may be finished

:lmao

[Blake]

https://y.yarn.co/fe7acbae-0021-41ff-9730-4076b79b39fa_text.gif

[spurraider21]

mood ring doing well lately

[ElNono]

Bitcoin Soars Past $37,000, Touching 18-Month High on ETF Optimism
https://decrypt.co/205317/bitcoin-blows-past-37000-touching-18-month-high-on-etf-optimism

lol @ "soars past 37k". Wasn't that thing valued at over 60k at some point?

[Darth_Pelican]

lol @ "soars past 37k". Wasn't that thing valued at over 60k at some point?

Yes, and it is again.

[spurraider21]

mood ring in a good mood for now

[Millennial_Messiah]

Crazy that it's fallen nearly $5K just this afternoon but is still up $2K from if you bought it yesterday.

[Millennial_Messiah]

It's under 60K. Really now is your last chance to buy if you want to take any advantage at all of the current bull run that will probably last another 1.5 years before the next crash/selloff.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Now back a little over 60K.

My prediction based on past analytics with Bitcoin is that it will be worth in the range of 120K-150K by Summer 2025 and then falloff to around 60-65K by the spring of 2026. Typically it's a very consistent four-year cycle with the new bottoming-out (cresting) point being just below the previous high point of the previous bubble four years prior just before it collapsed.

[Darth_Pelican]

SEC is expected to approve Ethereum ETFs in May.

[MultiTroll]

Called and wrote these 2 today to ask about an update:

Breaking: US lawmakers file ‘SEC Stabilization Act’ to fire Gary Gensler (cointelegraph.com) (https://cointelegraph.com/news/breaking-us-lawmakers-file-sec-stabilization-act-to-fire-gary-gensler)

[Darth_Pelican]

BTC almost to ATH

[Darth_Pelican]

BTC 70K and ETH 4K :wow

[Millennial_Messiah]

BTC 70K and ETH 4K :wow

It's going to be 120k-150k next summer & then crash, down to a crest of around 50k-65k this time. It does this every 4 years.

[Millennial_Messiah]

etherium seems like the buy right now, but bitcoin's trump card will always be that it came first and there's actually countries that use it as currency.

[Darth_Pelican]

Nothing is a buy right now. It was a buy 6 months ago when no one cared. You’re literally 2 cycles of thought process behind. It doesn’t surprise me because 2 cycles ago you were on here on here saying “lol gamblers” and now you’re acting like you know what you’re talking about.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Nothing is a buy right now. It was a buy 6 months ago when no one cared. You’re literally 2 cycles of thought process behind. It doesn’t surprise me because 2 cycles ago you were on here on here saying “lol gamblers” and now you’re acting like you know what you’re talking about.

Imagine putting all your money in btc or eth in October 2023, which wasn't long ago. You sell now and you more than doubled your net worth, and roughly still doubled even after the IRS takes their rake when you go to file taxes early next year.

[Blake]

Nothing is a buy right now. It was a buy 6 months ago when no one cared. You’re literally 2 cycles of thought process behind. It doesn’t surprise me because 2 cycles ago you were on here on here saying “lol gamblers” and now you’re acting like you know what you’re talking about.

Feels like a huge pump and dump, but congrats on making a few dollars out of it. :tu

[Millennial_Messiah]

Feels like a huge pump and dump, but congrats on making a few dollars out of it. :tu

Few dollars?

If you invested your life savings in it at any point in the first three quarters of 2023... you could easily have gone from "okay I can retire but I'll still have to adhere to a budget" to "fuck you, I can retire now and travel the world and buy a mansion on a ten acre waterfront property in the hills, fuck you fuck you".

[Blake]

Few dollars?

If you invested your life savings in it at any point in the first three quarters of 2023... you could easily have gone from "okay I can retire but I'll still have to adhere to a budget" to "fuck you, I can retire now and travel the world and buy a mansion on a ten acre waterfront property in the hills, fuck you fuck you".

So you invested your life savings in it in the first few quarters of 2023?

[Millennial_Messiah]

So you invested your life savings in it in the first few quarters of 2023?
nope

wish I had

[Millennial_Messiah]

Down to 67K. IS this temporary or a sign of a crash?

[Millennial_Messiah]

ETH and BTC both back down to beginning of March levels

Dead cat drop or sign of a collapse? I didn't expect a collapse to happen this year.

[Tyronn Lue]

ETH and BTC both back down to beginning of March levels

Dead cat drop or sign of a collapse? I didn't expect a collapse to happen this year.
Based on what? Does this mean the same to you as "I expected it to not collapse"?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Based on what? Does this mean the same to you as "I expected it to not collapse"?

Holding steady today at $68K for now. Usually a crash would be more sudden?

Based on analytical trends, actually. Generally the peak roughly doubles from the previous peak in a four-year cycle and the low point is roughly just lower than the previous peak from the last cycle, i.e. the previous low point around 17k in 2022 was just on the low side of the 2017 peak and so the guesstimate is that when btc crashes again in 2025 that it will crest at a low around 60-65k, which is just slightly lower than the 2021 peak at around 68-69k.

[Tyronn Lue]

Holding steady today at $68K for now. Usually a crash would be more sudden?

Based on analytical trends, actually. Generally the peak roughly doubles from the previous peak in a four-year cycle and the low point is roughly just lower than the previous peak from the last cycle, i.e. the previous low point around 17k in 2022 was just on the low side of the 2017 peak and so the guesstimate is that when btc crashes again in 2025 that it will crest at a low around 60-65k, which is just slightly lower than the 2021 peak at around 68-69k.
You said this year. I was wondering what caused you to say that regarding the entire year. Crypto is too new to have enough 4 year (gambler's fallacy btw) cycles to merit patterning. This is a very volatile currency which makes it not much of a currency at all, in my opinion.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You said this year. I was wondering what caused you to say that regarding the entire year. Crypto is too new to have enough 4 year (gambler's fallacy btw) cycles to merit patterning. This is a very volatile currency which makes it not much of a currency at all, in my opinion.

Yeah no shit, if everyone could predict it then it wouldn't be better than a Vanguard index stock.

It's all about timing the market based on educated guesses, and yeah, to some extent, getting lucky. Which is really what life is all about. Getting lucky. Doesn't matter if you believe in god or not or how hard you try or even how good your grades are or what higher education school you go to. It's about the connections you get lucky and meet and who likes you and who doesn't, and who you just so happen to get to meet on a specific day serendipitously. It's about having good genetics and not getting cursed with the mutation for, say, ALS or Huntington's disease which kills you in your 50's. Or glioblastoma. Or not happening to drive at the same time as a drunk truck driver driving the opposite direction. Life really boils down to those who are lucky and those who are not. You can only "make your own breaks" to a fairly small extent. The rest is all about luck, even if you don't go gambling per se.

[Darth_Pelican]

BTC over 71K. ETH dragging ass a little bit. Hoping they get that ETF approval soon

[MultiTroll]

Mark Cuban Warns Biden Official Could Boost Trump's Election Chances (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mark-cuban-warns-biden-official-could-boost-trump-s-election-chances/ar-BB1ofEyM?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=fd2ffb4f106d44a7b19ff574c0704e89&ei=15)

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[UNT Eagles 2016]

Mark Cuban Warns Biden Official Could Boost Trump's Election Chances (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mark-cuban-warns-biden-official-could-boost-trump-s-election-chances/ar-BB1ofEyM?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=fd2ffb4f106d44a7b19ff574c0704e89&ei=15)

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Best time to buy BTC/ETH would be mid to late October this year imo if you can buy a bunch of it. Not only is traditionally October the low point for crypto, but also there will be selloffs / bear market due to the uncertainty of the election. I think, honestly, regardless of whether Trump or Biden wins, crypto has nowhere to go but up in the long run, but with a Trump victory you'll probably see larger growth and a sustained bull run in 2025 for sure. Either way it can't be a bad buy. Biden winning the last time didn't really hurt crypto immediately, at least not until that ensuing fall.

also, don't use fucking Coinbase unless you're a very advanced trader. They rip you to pieces in fees.

[ChumpDumper]

lol are any crypto bros voting for anyone other than Trump or RFK Jr.?

[MultiTroll]

I think, honestly, regardless of whether Trump or Biden wins, crypto has nowhere to go but up in the long run, but with a Trump victory you'll probably see larger growth and a sustained bull run in 2025 for sure. Either way it can't be a bad buy. Biden winning the last time didn't really hurt crypto immediately, at least not until that ensuing fall.
They both suck Big Banking ass.
Biden allowing that super corrupt POS Gensler to remain running the criminal SEC.
Trump sucking Russian banking ass per top Putins orders.

But ya i agree long term it's still good.
All the whiney boo berrys aren't saying shit after tripled the last 8 months.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

lol are any crypto bros voting for anyone other than Trump or RFK Jr.?

They might vote for that gay libertarian candidate guy who claims to be a crypto hero and that's a slight W for biden.

If -on election night- it looks like Biden's headed to victory, crypto could see a large selloff temporarily, but it'll ultimately end up going back up.

if it looks like Trump is headed to victory, crypto may see a huge bull night and the dow jones a huge bear night similar to what happened on november 8, 2016.

[pgardn]

lol are any crypto bros voting for anyone other than Trump or RFK Jr.?

Down and out white boys waiting for the HR that they have never hit.
The Lotto Life. Its sad but they had the chance to have a better understanding how the world "Probably" runs.

Probably more likely to get hit by lightning.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Down and out white boys waiting for the HR that they have never hit.
The Lotto Life. Its sad but they had the chance to have a better understanding how the world "Probably" runs.

Probably more likely to get hit by lightning.

the establishment dems and the establishment gop are the problem, they are pro stock and anti outside the box thinkers, they want to keep people poor and dying relatively young to feed the oligarchy.

trump, bernie, rfk jr etc are not the problem

[Blake]

the establishment dems and the establishment gop are the problem, they are pro stock and anti outside the box thinkers, they want to keep people poor and dying relatively young to feed the oligarchy.

trump, bernie, rfk jr etc are not the problem

Right, it's Trump that is trying to help the poor and is totally not the problem.

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Right, it's Trump that is trying to help the poor and is totally not the problem.

Yep, it's all Trump's fault. He made President and things ain't like they were before.

And dad, never again.

[spurraider21]

lol are any crypto bros voting for anyone other than Trump or RFK Jr.?
i dno man, DPG21920 claims he is a lifelong democrat who voted for biden in 2020 and is now forced to vote against biden because of crypto

[DPG21920]

i dno man, DPG21920 claims he is a lifelong democrat who voted for biden in 2020 and is now forced to vote against biden because of crypto

Correct. I will not vote Biden due to his and warrens actions towards Bitcoin. Not sure I can bring myself to vote Trump however. Likely won’t vote. And don’t appreciate your tone either insinuating I’m lying

I’ve been on this board a long time and whether you disagree with me on things one thing no one would say is I’m a liar. I’ve donated tickets, spent my own money to help other board members and paid up on any bet I’ve lost despite getting stiffed myself

[spurraider21]

Correct. I will not vote Biden due to his and warrens actions towards Bitcoin. Not sure I can bring myself to vote Trump however. Likely won’t vote. And don’t appreciate your tone either insinuating I’m lying

I’ve been on this board a long time and whether you disagree with me on things one thing no one would say is I’m a liar. I’ve donated tickets, spent my own money to help other board members and paid up on any bet I’ve lost despite getting stiffed myself
To the extent I’ve seen you comment on anything political related here i don’t think I’ve seen a single thing complimenting a left wing figure. Or like, you express sympathy to Bernie but only after he had already lost primaries and it was moot

[ChumpDumper]

Vague hints at regulation make lifelong regulatory state Democrats embrace fascism.

[DPG21920]

Vague hints at regulation make lifelong regulatory state Democrats embrace fascism.

The only thing fascist right now is Dems waging what I believe to be an illegal war because they think what they want is more important than the will of the people. This industry is regulated. It’s been regulated. And we’ve welcomed common sense regulations.

You can gaslight all you want and lick the boots of a disgusting and disgraceful SEC who has been routinely embarrassed and destroyed in court but it doesn’t change the facts.

Weaponizing government agencies like SEC and by default weaponizing courts. Shuddering legitimate businesses/banks to try and choke off an industry because you are now cozy with big banks etc.

It’s authoritarian disgusting behavior. As I said, Trump isn’t any better overall but since I’m not getting movement on universal healthcare and other things I value I’m a single issue voter whether you agree or not.

[DPG21920]

To the extent I’ve seen you comment on anything political related here i don’t think I’ve seen a single thing complimenting a left wing figure. Or like, you express sympathy to Bernie but only after he had already lost primaries and it was moot

2 things: I’ve posted more on Twitter for about 5-7 years now and there was way more stuff on there. You know a lot of Trumpers and right wingers that are pro Bernie?

Besides that, yes, like a normal educated non cultist should be I have a lot of issues with Dems and hold them to a higher standard. That doesn’t mean I am not left leaning. For all my gripes or whatever I have never voted Republican (which shouldn’t be an issue even if I had).

I’m a lifelong Dem because the 3 times I’ve ever actually voted were all Dem. I didn’t start voting until my mid 20s however despite discussing politics. But my first vote was Obama, was gaslit into Clinton who I hate because I’m a Bernie guy then Biden.

So again, this boils down to you calling me a liar and again I don’t appreciate it. You can think what you want and talk cute and make assumptions because evidently in your mind unless your a cultists who loves all Dems and their actions no matter what it’s inconceivable to be a “Dem” but I told you what I think and who I voted for in earnest so if you think I’m the type to lie well then we don’t have much to discuss

[ChumpDumper]

The only thing fascist right now is Dems waging what I believe to be an illegal war because they think what they want is more important than the will of the people. This industry is regulated. It’s been regulated. And we’ve welcomed common sense regulations.

You can gaslight all you want and lick the boots of a disgusting and disgraceful SEC who has been routinely embarrassed and destroyed in court but it doesn’t change the facts.

Weaponizing government agencies like SEC and by default weaponizing courts. Shuddering legitimate businesses/banks to try and choke off an industry because you are now cozy with big banks etc.

It’s authoritarian disgusting behavior. As I said, Trump isn’t any better overall but since I’m not getting movement on universal healthcare and other things I value I’m a single issue voter whether you agree or not.So you don't value any other things really.

That's fine. Just don't lie about it.

crypt:lol being your single issue

[DPG21920]

So you don't value any other things really.

That's fine. Just don't lie about it.

crypt:lol being your single issue

Im not lying. I value universal healthcare for years. I value many other things. Im not getting them. I am getting Dems funding wars, cozying up to big banks and gaslighting us as to why they need to go full authoritarian on crypto and justifying their lack of progress towards anything that’s actually left.

Im full on tired of legacy Dems to be honest and yes, my single issue is crypto because from Obama to Biden Im getting absolutely nothing of the real left policies I hope for (the Bernie platform).

Other things I care about take a back seat now because while Im pro life etc…they are more personal items that I dont think really belong in legislation and cloud the bigger purpose of the government.

I also like how you conveniently ignore the authoritarian behavior and you gaslighting and trying to “dunk” vs being able to acknowledge the issues at hand with what Biden/Warren have done towards crypto like its just a simple little policy difference and about some basic very straightforward regulation etc…clown behavior that deserves a :laugh more than someone having crypto as a single issue that’s important to them in context.

[ChumpDumper]

Im not lying. I value universal healthcare for years. I value many other things. Im not getting them. I am getting Dems funding wars, cozying up to big banks and gaslighting us as to why they need to go full authoritarian on crypto and justifying their lack of progress towards anything that’s actually left.

Im full on tired of legacy Dems to be honest and yes, my single issue is crypto because from Obama to Biden Im getting absolutely nothing of the real left policies I hope for (the Bernie platform).

Other things I care about take a back seat now because while Im pro life etc…they are more personal items that I dont think really belong in legislation and cloud the bigger purpose of the government.

I also like how you conveniently ignore the authoritarian behavior and you gaslighting and trying to “dunk” vs being able to acknowledge the issues at hand with what Biden/Warren have done towards crypto like its just a simple little policy difference and about some basic very straightforward regulation etc…clown behavior that deserves a :laugh more than someone having crypto as a single issue that’s important to them in context.Nah, I think crypto bros are cute when they're not getting their way. Like lil babies.

People like you are the reason everything is getting and will continue to get worse. Taking your ball and staying home to pout will only make things worse for you and the things you claim to care about.

[DPG21920]

Nah, I think crypto bros are cute when they're not getting their way. Like lil babies.

People like you are the reason everything is getting and will continue to get worse. Taking your ball and staying home to pout will only make things worse for you and the things you claim to care about.

Imagine blaming DPG intstead of the elected officials screwing it all up. Maybe if you held Dems to a standard higher than me, we’d actually get some real change instead of being forced to vote for legacy asshole dems and pieces of shit like trump.

[ChumpDumper]

Imagine blaming DPG intstead of the elected officials screwing it all up.I said people like you. there are a lot of whiny babies out there acting like not voting will make things better for muh crypto.


Maybe if you held Dems to a standard higher than me, we’d actually get some real change instead of being forced to vote for legacy asshole dems and pieces of shit like trump.The Democrats are simply the better choice of the two available. I agree it's not great but you actively want to make everything markedly worse with your passive aggressiveness.

Well done.

[DPG21920]

I said people like you. there are a lot of whiny babies out there acting like not voting will make things better for muh crypto.

The Democrats are simply the better choice of the two available. I agree it's not great but you actively want to make everything markedly worse with your passive aggressiveness.

Well done.

Earn my vote. Stop gaslighting. It should be easy to beat Trump. Thats how low the bar is. Still they cant do anything that says “we are better” and have to rely on “Trump is worse”. If it’s just “crypto bros” (I love that throw away insult by the way) then it shouldnt be an issue right? But maybe if theres a large amount of voters that also agree Biden sucks, then you cant just gaslight us little ol’ crypto bros.

[ChumpDumper]

Earn my vote. Stop gaslighting. It should be easy to beat Trump. Thats how low the bar is.It's harder with crypto bros like you single issuing Trump back into the White House.

This is the choice we have in November, bro. You are choosing Trump, bro.

You'll get what you want. Congrats, bro.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

It's harder with crypto bros like you single issuing Trump back into the White House.

This is the choice we have in November, bro. You are choosing Trump, bro.

You'll get what you want. Congrats, bro.
Congrats on sounding like a 13 year old gen Z kid complaining to the teacher for flunking him because he never turned in any of his homework.

[DPG21920]

It's harder with crypto bros like you single issuing Trump back into the White House.

This is the choice we have in November, bro. You are choosing Trump, bro.

You'll get what you want. Congrats, bro.

Nah - you are just wildly ineffective in stating your case without being a condescending prick so I would argue it’s YOU that is the issue friend. But Im done with this conversation and could care less what you think in this regard (respectfully of course). It’s why I dont talk politics on this site because it’s just full of terminally online gigabrains like you.

Also you know what can change things for crypto bros? Tell Biden to stop being an authoritarian asshole and change course. That can work to you know. If not, live with the consequences of your actions. Period.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Earn my vote. Stop gaslighting. It should be easy to beat Trump. Thats how low the bar is. Still they cant do anything that says “we are better” and have to rely on “Trump is worse”. If it’s just “crypto bros” (I love that throw away insult by the way) then it shouldnt be an issue right? But maybe if theres a large amount of voters that also agree Biden sucks, then you cant just gaslight us little ol’ crypto bros.

"Orange man bad" is just more gaslighting. I mean the QAnon "maga or bust" Trump dicksuckers are stupid too, but the establishment Dems make it sound like the world is going to end if Trump gets a second term, where in reality things will just be late 2010s again with low inflation, low regulations, and low corruption but the corrupt establishment legacy politicians and lobbyist on both sides doing everything they can to get him impeached because they know his policy is a threat to their cute little oligarchic social circle, i.e. the big banks, big tech, big pharma, big oil, big insurance etc. Trump's a jerk and his policy is far from perfect and I agree with you on universal healthcare but with the current two party system in place it's never going to happen in the USA, all the modern Democrats want is to expand obamacare which makes you and I poorer and the big insurance companies, big pharma, and big medicine richer and richer.

[Blake]

Hard to believe how many suckers are voting Trump/non biden because crypto.

You guys are full on retard.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Nah - you are just wildly ineffective in stating your case without being a condescending prick so I would argue it’s YOU that is the issue friend. But Im done with this conversation and could care less what you think in this regard (respectfully of course). It’s why I dont talk politics on this site because it’s just full of terminally online gigabrains like you.

Also you know what can change things for crypto bros? Tell Biden to stop being an authoritarian asshole and change course. That can work to you know. If not, live with the consequences of your actions. Period.
Realistically Biden is just a puppet. The legacy Dems and the deep state as you refer to, (and a lot of legacy GOP politicians are at fault here too) control his strings at this point. They want a fully centralized economy and communism by deceit and trickery rather than by force, a state-backed "private sector" oligarchy that is infinitely more corrupt and definitely NOT in line with any of the principles of idealistic socialism.

[Blake]

"Orange man bad" is just more gaslighting. I mean the QAnon "maga or bust" Trump dicksuckers are stupid too, but the establishment Dems make it sound like the world is going to end if Trump gets a second term, where in reality things will just be late 2010s again with low inflation, low regulations, and low corruption but the corrupt establishment legacy politicians and lobbyist on both sides doing everything they can to get him impeached because they know his policy is a threat to their cute little oligarchic social circle, i.e. the big banks, big tech, big pharma, big oil, big insurance etc. Trump's a jerk and his policy is far from perfect and I agree with you on universal healthcare but with the current two party system in place it's never going to happen in the USA, all the modern Democrats want is to expand obamacare which makes you and I poorer and the big insurance companies, big pharma, and big medicine richer and richer.

Lol how voting Felon Trump will bring "low corruption". What is wrong with you?

[DPG21920]

"Orange man bad" is just more gaslighting. I mean the QAnon "maga or bust" Trump dicksuckers are stupid too, but the establishment Dems make it sound like the world is going to end if Trump gets a second term, where in reality things will just be late 2010s again with low inflation, low regulations, and low corruption but the corrupt establishment legacy politicians and lobbyist on both sides doing everything they can to get him impeached because they know his policy is a threat to their cute little oligarchic social circle, i.e. the big banks, big tech, big pharma, big oil, big insurance etc. Trump's a jerk and his policy is far from perfect and I agree with you on universal healthcare but with the current two party system in place it's never going to happen in the USA, all the modern Democrats want is to expand obamacare which makes you and I poorer and the big insurance companies, big pharma, and big medicine richer and richer.

I dont like Trump at all so as I said before Im not sure I can actually make the leap to vote for him. I just know that Im appalled with not just Dems views on crypto but the scary authoritarian actions they have taken towards it.

It would be one thing not to like it or whatever but what they have done illustrates a nasty underbelly I thought was only present in Republicans and Im pretty disenfranchised with Dems at the moment and hope the younger faction steps up and ousts these frauds and leads young Dems into a better future (for not just bitcoin but everything I value)

If it were Trump abusing SEC and courts like Biden/Warren had done, towards crypto or anything for that matter, it would be a massive scandal. Sure its not as sexy as an insurrection because so many in the country still don’t care about crypto, but from a “right and wrong” perspective its every bit as scary to see Biden/Warren fully weaponize a government agency and veto bi-partisan legislation etc…

[DPG21920]

Hard to believe how many suckers are voting Trump/non biden because crypto.

You guys are full on retard.

What’s retarded is you actually believing Crypto Bros are powerful enough to swing an election and Dems still not capitulating on the issue then.

[Blake]

I dont like Trump at all so as I said before Im not sure I can actually make the leap to vote for him. I just know that Im appalled with not just Dems views on crypto but the scary authoritarian actions they have taken towards it.

It would be one thing not to like it or whatever but what they have done illustrates a nasty underbelly I thought was only present in Republicans and Im pretty disenfranchised with Dems at the moment and hope the younger faction steps up and ousts these frauds and leads young Dems into a better future (for not just bitcoin but everything I value)

Earn my trust in crypto. Why do you need it so bad?

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Lol how voting Felon Trump will bring "low corruption". What is wrong with you?

I'm not voting, I don't vote, but just the name "Felon Trump" implies a corrupt justice system inherent in of itself. The NY court rigged the jury from the beginning and staged the whole case. Literally nobody else, not even a terrorist, gets convicted on 34 out of 34 counts

[Blake]

What’s retarded is you actually believing Crypto Bros are powerful enough to swing an election and Dems still not capitulating on the issue then.

I never said it's enough to swing the election. I just can't believe how many retards we still have in this country. In 2024.

[DPG21920]

Lol how voting Felon Trump will bring "low corruption". What is wrong with you?

The same way bailing out banks for billions despite them getting “fined” billions for illegal and illicit activities keeps the economy from taking I guess?

[Blake]

I'm not voting, I don't vote, but just the name "Felon Trump" implies a corrupt justice system inherent in of itself. The NY court rigged the jury from the beginning and staged the whole case. Literally nobody else, not even a terrorist, gets convicted on 34 out of 34 counts

No it doesn't. The name he implies he broke the law and is a felon. How many counts would you be OK with to not call it a conspiracy? Or to be able to call him a felon?

[DPG21920]

Earn my trust in crypto. Why do you need it so bad?

I dont lol. I just dont need you trampling MY right to own it legally (it’s fully regulated in the USA hence being allowed to be publicly traded companies etc..). You can hate it all you want and think it’s a scam. What you cannot do is force your will upon me illegally by weaponizing the SEC and court system just because you personally dont like it.

[DPG21920]

I never said it's enough to swing the election. I just can't believe how many retards we still have in this country. In 2024.

Well, if you don’t think it swings an election, no need to gaslight me and others about it then right?

[Blake]

The same way bailing out banks for billions despite them getting “fined” billions for illegal and illicit activities keeps the economy from taking I guess?

No doubt we bail out too many institutions from banks, auto makers and airlines and more. What has that got to do with you using crypto? And/ or party lines?

[DPG21920]

No it doesn't. The name he implies he broke the law and is a felon. How many counts would you be OK with to not call it a conspiracy? Or to be able to call him a felon?

It’s not a conspiracy but unless he gets found guilty for the insurrection stuff, how many politicians do we think have lied and misappropriated campaign funds etc…and it not been prosecuted?


Ya, hes a felon, but it’s like someone getting a DUI. Tons of people have gotten them and tons of people that should have gotten them got let go due to their power and status and position so many dont view that type of crime as something that matters all that much.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I dont like Trump at all so as I said before Im not sure I can actually make the leap to vote for him. I just know that Im appalled with not just Dems views on crypto but the scary authoritarian actions they have taken towards it.

It would be one thing not to like it or whatever but what they have done illustrates a nasty underbelly I thought was only present in Republicans and Im pretty disenfranchised with Dems at the moment and hope the younger faction steps up and ousts these frauds and leads young Dems into a better future (for not just bitcoin but everything I value)

If it were Trump abusing SEC and courts like Biden/Warren had done, towards crypto or anything for that matter, it would be a massive scandal. Sure its not as sexy as an insurrection because so many in the country still don’t care about crypto, but from a “right and wrong” perspective its every bit as scary to see Biden/Warren fully weaponize a government agency and veto bi-partisan legislation etc…
I agree with this post. I feel like in the 2000s the GOP was more the party of authoritarianism with the illegal foreign wars, patriot act, nuthugging oligarchy, TSA/NSA expansion and all that associated big government crap. The Democrats, rightfully hammered them on that and won big tsunami wave years in 2006 and 2008. And then turned around and proceeded to be authoritarian hypocrites, from obamacare to new illegal foreign wars to new surveillance and big government regulation. Crypto is just one issue but it's a microcosm of things to come. A nasty underbelly for sure. It certainly still exists with a lot of Republicans, take our own Senator John Cornyn for example, don't tell me that guy isn't paid off by a lot of people.

I do hope ultimately a new populist party emerges whether it's GOP or Democrat or other, but I don't really have a lot of hope for the young generation considering most of them can't read grade level, do basic four function math, and half of them have green-purple hair, are non binary and/or have face tattoos. I think someone like Whitmer would be a decent potus, but who knows. It's too bad the party of Dukakis and Mondale were just underfunded at the time because they had the right ideas.

[DPG21920]

No doubt we bail out too many institutions from banks, auto makers and airlines and more. What has that got to do with you using crypto? And/ or party lines?

I was making the point that you trying to frame voting for a “felon” as an issue, we already deal with criminals all the time at every single level and keep them in power. So it’s not a very strong point.

That has nothing to do with crypto - it was an adjacent point to you trying to frame voting for a felon as a concern when we selectively care about crimes we know many politicians commit alongside bigger issues of keeping criminals like big bankers etc…in power

[Blake]

Well, if you don’t think it swings an election, no need to gaslight me and others about it then right?

Just making fun of you while waiting for you to show how you need crypto in your daily life.

[Blake]

I was making the point that you trying to frame voting for a “felon” as an issue, we already deal with criminals all the time at every single level and keep them in power. So it’s not a very strong point.

That wasn't the point.

He believes corruption will go down with Trump in office vs Biden. Do you really not get how retarded that is? Unless you're also pro conspiracy, I guess, but that's a different type of retarded.

[DPG21920]

Just making fun of you while waiting for you to show how you need crypto in your daily life.

Thats a red herring. I owe you no explanation and again you can hate it all you want. It’s my money, my right and again, there’s zero justification for what Biden and Warren have done. Unlike you evidently, I have morals and a code of right or wrong regardless of what I personally like/dislike.

I can hate someone who murders someone and still believe they deserve a fair trial etc….there is right and there is wrong and its scary and authoritarian to weaponzie courts and lie and cheat to try and kill something you just dont personally see value in. That is not how this works.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

It’s not a conspiracy but unless he gets found guilty for the insurrection stuff, how many politicians do we think have lied and misappropriated campaign funds etc…and it not been prosecuted?


Ya, hes a felon, but it’s like someone getting a DUI. Tons of people have gotten them and tons of people that should have gotten them got let go due to their power and status and position so many dont view that type of crime as something that matters all that much.

exactly. People like chumpdumper and blake will call you a "whataboutist" but it's absolutely true. What the fuck does sending hush money to a whore all those years ago in NY have to do with a candidate's presidential policy from 2025 through 2028? How many felonies do you think Biden has gotten away with, from the Burisma foreign money laundering to all his personal sexual shit to all the corrupt deals that we don't know about because the uniparty has swept that shit so far under the rug for over half a century?

The problem isn't the Democrats or the GOP, it's both. It's the Uniparty.

[Blake]

It’s not a conspiracy but unless he gets found guilty for the insurrection stuff, how many politicians do we think have lied and misappropriated campaign funds etc…and it not been prosecuted?


Ya, hes a felon, but it’s like someone getting a DUI. Tons of people have gotten them and tons of people that should have gotten them got let go due to their power and status and position so many dont view that type of crime as something that matters all that much.

For not liking Trump, you're sure not hating him.

[DPG21920]

That wasn't the point.

He believes corruption will go down with Trump in office vs Biden. Do you really not get how retarded that is? Unless you're also pro conspiracy, I guess, but that's a different type of retarded.

I don’t think hes accurate at all; I agree it’s stupid. But my point remains; the same way people let criminals get bailed out and suffer no real consequences despite committing repeated crimes (big banks) under the guise of keeping this all propped up. It’s the same mentality just shoe is on other foot. It’s stupid to believe for Trump and stupid that we do the same thing you think is dumb over and over for banks and other criminals.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Thats a red herring. I owe you no explanation and again you can hate it all you want. It’s my money, my right and again, there’s zero justification for what Biden and Warren have done. Unlike you evidently, I have morals and a code of right or wrong regardless of what I personally like/dislike.

I can hate someone who murders someone and still believe they deserve a fair trial etc….there is right and there is wrong and its scary and authoritarian to weaponzie courts and lie and cheat to try and kill something you just dont personally see value in. That is not how this works.

exactly.... Basic constitutional shit. But the 'blue no matter who' crew will scream that the Constitution is racist and archaic if they can't get their way.

[DPG21920]

For not liking Trump, you're sure not hating him.

Me saying him being classified as a felon IS NOT a conspiracy and saying I hate him is….not hating him :lol? I mean, the audacity of you calling others retarded is not unnoticed.

Also, and I know this may be a shock to cult members who root for politicians like sports teams, you can hate someone and still find some common ground in certain areas or agree with a singular policy etc..

[Blake]

exactly. People like chumpdumper and blake will call you a "whataboutist" but it's absolutely true. What the fuck does sending hush money to a whore all those years ago in NY have to do with a candidate's presidential policy from 2025 through 2028? How many felonies do you think Biden has gotten away with, from the Burisma foreign money laundering to all his personal sexual shit to all the corrupt deals that we don't know about because the uniparty has swept that shit so far under the rug for over half a century?

The problem isn't the Democrats or the GOP, it's both. It's the Uniparty.

Yeah but you just said having Trump in office means a less corrupt place. Have you also seen how many around him have been convicted of crimes?

Of course you have but you still are somehow trying to play the "both sides" card while saying things would be better with Trump.

I don't know how many conspiracy felonies that Biden may have gotten away with. I do know how many felonies Trump didn't get away with. 34.

[Blake]

I don’t think hes accurate at all; I agree it’s stupid. But my point remains; the same way people let criminals get bailed out and suffer no real consequences despite committing repeated crimes (big banks) under the guise of keeping this all propped up. It’s the same mentality just shoe is on other foot. It’s stupid to believe for Trump and stupid that we do the same thing you think is dumb over and over for banks and other criminals.

So what will crypto do for you?

[UNT Eagles 2016]

the same way people let criminals get bailed out and suffer no real consequences despite committing repeated crimes (big banks) under the guise of keeping this all propped up. It’s the same mentality just shoe is on other foot. It’s stupid to believe for Trump and stupid that we do the same thing you think is dumb over and over for banks and other criminals.

Exactly. It's time for the democrats and everyone else to get off the Rothschild plantation. Crypto provides a safety net and the incumbent Dems (and some Republicans) are trying to eliminate that option of freedom for outside the box thinkers because it doesn't align with their vision for the needs of Uncle Sam (i.e., their oligarchic big donors, including the banks) is authoritarianism, neo fascism, bolshevism, tyranny.

[Blake]

Me saying him being classified as a felon IS NOT a conspiracy and saying I hate him is….not hating him :lol? I mean, the audacity of you calling others retarded is not unnoticed.

Also, and I know this may be a shock to cult members who root for politicians like sports teams, you can hate someone and still find some common ground in certain areas or agree with a singular policy etc..

Yeah you said you hate him but it's pretty easy to see it's a throwaway to come across as a "both sides bad" guy.

Especially when you downgrade his felony to an "everyone does it" charge.

[DPG21920]

So what will crypto do for you?

That question is not relevant at all. The only question that matters is: does Biden/Warren have the right to weaponize the SEC and court systems and treat honest Americans like me that are deciding what we want to invest our own money in like criminals despite this industry in American being fully regulated already on top of trying to welcome modern common sense legislation to help protect investors.

Thats it. I could say I think crypto is only a lottery ticket that does nothing for me and still I would have the right, just like I do in Vegas or buying Texas Lottery tickets or whatever. You under no circumstances get to unilaterally decide as a President to weaponize government agencies against citizens.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

So what will crypto do for you?

Provide an alternative to the Rothschild plantation money so they don't have carte blanche to install absolute power over us. While there's no reason the dollar and banks shouldn't continue to exist long term, having adequate competition for it is basic common sense in any form of business, so why not currency as well? Squelching competition is communist and fascist.

[Blake]

Exactly. It's time for the democrats and everyone else to get off the Rothschild plantation. Crypto provides a safety net and the incumbent Dems (and some Republicans) are trying to eliminate that option of freedom for outside the box thinkers because it doesn't align with their vision for the needs of Uncle Sam (i.e., their oligarchic big donors, including the banks) is authoritarianism, neo fascism, bolshevism, tyranny.

How exactly does crypto provide a safety net?

[DPG21920]

Yeah you said you hate him but it's pretty easy to see it's a throwaway to come across as a "both sides bad" guy.

Especially when you downgrade his felony to an "everyone does it" charge.

It’s true though. I mean, are you arguing that it’s not? Or just that Orange man bad?

[DPG21920]

How exactly does crypto provide a safety net?

You continue to ask the wrong questions and only illustrate you are fine with bootlicking authoritarian behaviors because you simply don’t understand or like something personally.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

That question is not relevant at all. The only question that matters is: does Biden/Warren have the right to weaponize the SEC and court systems and treat honest Americans like me that are deciding what we want to invest our own money in like criminals despite this industry in American being fully regulated already on top of trying to welcome modern common sense legislation to help protect investors.

Thats it. I could say I think crypto is only a lottery ticket that does nothing for me and still I would have the right, just like I do in Vegas or buying Texas Lottery tickets or whatever. You under no circumstances get to unilaterally decide as a President to weaponize government agencies against citizens.

And yet it has been done many times especially since the 1990s, i.e. Ruby Ridge, Waco, DMCA, Dubya Bush's Patriot Act, TSA, NSA, Obama's drones, Trump's Muslim ban, FBI raiding possible J6 suspects, the Biden DOJ, and so forth

[DPG21920]

And I have evidence on my side that while one may worse, both sides are in fact bad. That was already admitted by anti-trump people in this thread who acknowledged both options are bad.

But beyond that there was no material difference from when Trump was president to Biden now in terms of quality of life or any other thing other than inflation running away during Bidens term (cant really blame dems for that on their own - Republicans played a huge role in the issues leading up to and showing now) alongside Dems being very happy to fund wars and cozy up to big banks if it meant hurting crypto(which all of this is quite surprising since the dems I care about were not supposed to be warmongering big bankers)_

[UNT Eagles 2016]

It’s true though. I mean, are you arguing that it’s not? Or just that Orange man bad?

It's just that Orange man bad. Blue no matter who. All hail collectivism, shun any morsel of individualism. Rather than thinking logically and pragmatically and long term.

[Blake]

That question is not relevant at all. The only question that matters is: does Biden/Warren have the right to weaponize the SEC and court systems and treat honest Americans like me that are deciding what we want to invest our own money in like criminals despite this industry in American being fully regulated already on top of trying to welcome modern common sense legislation to help protect investors.

Thats it. I could say I think crypto is only a lottery ticket that does nothing for me and still I would have the right, just like I do in Vegas or buying Texas Lottery tickets or whatever. You under no circumstances get to unilaterally decide as a President to weaponize government agencies against citizens.

Where are you when Governor Abbott shoots down gambling in Texas and weaponizes the DPS against citizens?

[Blake]

You continue to ask the wrong questions and only illustrate you are fine with bootlicking authoritarian behaviors because you simply don’t understand or like something personally.

He made a claim. I'm asking him to back it up. Pretty simple.

But your white flag is duly noted as well.

[Blake]

And I have evidence on my side that while one may worse, both sides are in fact bad. That was already admitted by anti-trump people in this thread who acknowledged both options are bad.

But beyond that there was no material difference from when Trump was president to Biden now in terms of quality of life or any other thing other than inflation running away during Bidens term (cant really blame dems for that on their own - Republicans played a huge role in the issues leading up to and showing now) alongside Dems being very happy to fund wars and cozy up to big banks if it meant hurting crypto(which all of this is quite surprising since the dems I care about were not supposed to be warmongering big bankers)_

Are both sides equally bad? Or maybe just one side is really bad and the other is semi bad?

Can I see your evidence?

[DPG21920]

Where are you when Governor Abbott shoots down gambling in Texas and weaponizes the DPS against citizens?

I think Abbott is atrocious overall other than his pro crypto forward thinking policies there working alongside bitcoin miners to help with grid stabilization and unique solutions there. Shooting down gambling at a state level is one thing; weaponizing government agencies and courts (that’s very different than legit voting/passing of laws) is entirely another.

Crypto and companies like Coinbase are PUBLICLY traded as approved by the SEC - so to say its unregulated, when they are subject to all the same rigors of all publicly traded companies is just ridiculous and a lie and as evidenced by the shuttering of banks and multiple embarrassing losses in court, what Biden/Warren are doing is completely different than “shooting down gambling”

[Blake]

It’s true though. I mean, are you arguing that it’s not? Or just that Orange man bad?

I mean, he's a felon. That's it. Are you really arguing that he's not?

[DPG21920]

Are both sides equally bad? Or maybe just one side is really bad and the other is semi bad?

Can I see your evidence?

Reality lmao? I mean, how has your world changed for the better and the country with Trump vs Biden? Was there really wars and Armageddon when Trump was president like was foretold? Did you actually change anything day to day in your life?

[UNT Eagles 2016]

And I have evidence on my side that while one may worse, both sides are in fact bad. That was already admitted by anti-trump people in this thread who acknowledged both options are bad.

But beyond that there was no material difference from when Trump was president to Biden now in terms of quality of life or any other thing other than inflation running away during Bidens term (cant really blame dems for that on their own - Republicans played a huge role in the issues leading up to and showing now) alongside Dems being very happy to fund wars and cozy up to big banks if it meant hurting crypto(which all of this is quite surprising since the dems I care about were not supposed to be warmongering big bankers)_
Yes, they did. From Trump's operation warp speed to McConnell's stimulus packages, a lot of the fault of the inflation and freedom restrictions during Biden's term have been unfairly placed on Biden, at least his first two years, but the Democrats also had a trifecta from 2021-22 and they didn't exactly do anything to prove that they were better.

No doubt the Republicans have a ton of filthy paid-off warmongering big bankers, pro-oligarchy establishment swine within their "legacy" ranks as well. Both sides need a gutting and a deep cleaning.

[DPG21920]

I mean, he's a felon. That's it. Are you really arguing that he's not?

Can you read? I literally never argued that hes not lol. Im beginning to think you cannot think rationally.

[DPG21920]

He made a claim. I'm asking him to back it up. Pretty simple.

But your white flag is duly noted as well.

You keep asking like we owe you an explanation. Tell me why you spend your money on any stock or investment you do? Justify each and every thing you purchase to me. Explain why you absolutely need every single thing you spend your money on.

[Blake]

I think Abbott is atrocious overall other than his pro crypto forward thinking policies there working alongside bitcoin miners to help with grid stabilization and unique solutions there. Shooting down gambling at a state level is one thing; weaponizing government agencies and courts (that’s very different than legit voting/passing of laws) is entirely another.

Crypto and companies like Coinbase are PUBLICLY traded as approved by the SEC - so to say its unregulated, when they are subject to all the same rigors of all publicly traded companies is just ridiculous and a lie and as evidenced by the shuttering of banks and multiple embarrassing losses in court, what Biden/Warren are doing is completely different than “shooting down gambling”

Neh, you're crying about people not being able to properly lose their money in crypto.

[DPG21920]

Neh, you're crying about people not being able to properly lose their money in crypto.

Correct.

[Blake]

You keep asking like we owe you an explanation. Tell me why you spend your money on any stock or investment you do? Justify each and every thing you purchase to me. Explain why you absolutely need every single thing you spend your money on.

You don't have to explain anything you don't want to. I'll just sit back and laugh at your crypto crusade.

[Blake]

Correct.

Right, that's why I compared it to gambling/ casinos. You disagreed. Make up your mind.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

How exactly does crypto provide a safety net?

Simple. Provides competition to the dollar in a similar way a small local Mexican meat market provides competition to HEB and Walmart. Provides an alternate method of wealth building as countries beyond El Salvador start to slowly but surely accept crypto as legal currency. And provides an outlet of tradable assets in case of a worst case 'armaggedon' scenario like your blue no matter who crew said in 2016 would happen under Trump and didn't and continue to spew the same tired old crap about in 2024.

[DPG21920]

Right, that's why I compared it to gambling/ casinos. You disagreed. Make up your mind.

Where did I disagree?

[DPG21920]

You don't have to explain anything you don't want to. I'll just sit back and laugh at your crypto crusade.

Or said another way: I will justify authoritarianism and lick boots because I hate Trump so much that I will justify anything, any behavior no matter how deplorable, because I not only hate Trump but also dont care about crypto.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Or said another way: I will justify authoritarianism and lick boots because I hate Trump so much that I will justify anything, any behavior no matter how deplorable, because I not only hate Trump but also dont care about crypto.
More like openly hate crypto moreso than Hitler openly hated the Jews.

[ChumpDumper]

Congrats on sounding like a 13 year old gen Z kid complaining to the teacher for flunking him because he never turned in any of his homework.He's a crypto bro, bro.

[ChumpDumper]

Nah - you are just wildly ineffective in stating your case without being a condescending prick so I would argue it’s YOU that is the issue friend.I am a condescending prick to you because you deserve nothing else.

You have an adult choice to make and you are choosing to pout like a child.

No one should cave in to you crypto bros because you never know or think about what you're really doing -- just like you are with your little tantrum here.

[DPG21920]

I am a condescending prick to you because you deserve nothing else.

You have an adult choice to make and you are choosing to pout like a child.

No one should cave in to you crypto bros because you never know or think about what you're really doing -- just like you are with your little tantrum here.

Well good luck in the election. Again, pretty stupid to think crypto bros can put Trump in the white house and be more mad at “us” than Biden for alienating such a powerful base that otherwise would vote for him.

Where is that energy towards Biden/Warren for such a foolish and pointless battle and mistake that will cost them the election?

And imagine thinking “crypto bros” dont think about things. It’s that flippant attitude towards “us” that is going to possibly cost you the election. So again, I would say you are the problem; not “us” and your assumptions and holier than thou behaviors and judgements are exactly why Trump will win if he does. Thats on you.

[ChumpDumper]

Well good luck in the election. Again, pretty stupid to think crypto bros can put Trump in the white house and be more mad at “us” than Biden for alienating such a powerful base that otherwise would vote for him. Now you're powerful?

Make up your mind, bro.

If the Democrats have to pander to every single interest voter throwing shit fit in a close election, they've already lost.

You're selfish and childish. It's fine. Don't act like you're being thoughtful. You're running on pure emotion.

[DPG21920]

Now you're powerful?

Make up your mind, bro.

If the Democrats have to pander to every single interest voter throwing shit fit in a close election, they've already lost.

You're selfish and childish. It's fine. Don't act like you're being thoughtful. You're running on pure emotion.

They dont have to pander to every single interest voter. But YOURE the one saying “crypto bros” are putting Trump in the White House so is you that is saying we are powerful. I never said that. I simply said I can no longer in good faith vote for this faction of dems like Biden after seeing their authoritarian nature. It scares me enough just the same as Trump so I abstain from voting and at a minimum will reduce down to a single issue for me if Im getting dog shit either way. That’s completely rational thinking and I argue it’s YOU that is emotional due to your hatred of Trump (your hatred of Trump is justified; what you’re saying towards me is not).

They do have to “pander” to strong voters however - that’s just common sense although I realize you think Dems dont have to earn votes that they should just be given on them wonderful platform of “orange man bad” even though we saw orange man as president and the world was no different than with Biden being president if we are being honest. You only get to gaslight and cry wolf once; after that you have to earn it.

You can call me every single name in the book but it still doesnt address how Biden simply can choose to capitulate his war on crypto if he thinks it will lose him the election. If he doesnt think that, then what’s all the name calling for if it’s a non issue from a small group of non-powerful voters? Can’t have it both ways and argue out both sides of your mouth.

[ChumpDumper]

They dont have to pander to every single interest voter. But YOURE the one saying “crypto bros” are putting Trump in the White House so is you that is saying we are powerful. I never said that. I simply said I can no longer in good faith vote for this faction of dems like Biden after seeing their authoritarian nature. It scares me enough just the same as Trump so I abstain from voting and at a minimum will reduce down to a single issue for me if Im getting dog shit either way. That’s completely rational thinking and I argue it’s YOU that is emotional due to your hatred of Trump (your hatred of Trump is justified; what you’re saying towards me is not). Thinking you're being rational here only proves you're a ball of pure emotion.


They do have to “pander” to strong voters however - that’s just common sense although I realize you think Dems dont have to earn votes that they should just be given on them wonderful platform of “orange man bad” even though we saw orange man as president and the world was no different than with Biden being president if we are being honest. You only get to gaslight and cry wolf once; after that you have to earn it.Ah, the ol' "but did you die" canard.


Sorry, bro -- the right has told us exactly what the plan to do in a second Trump administration. You probably know nothing about it because, you know, single issue.


You can call me every single name in the book but it still doesnt address how Biden simply can choose to capitulate his war on crypto if he thinks it will lose him the election. If he doesnt think that, then what’s all the name calling for if it’s a non issue from a small group of non-powerful voters? Can’t have it both ways and argue out both sides of your mouth.I can't say what Biden thinks. I'm saying that I think that people like you giving up your only actual voice in a democracy for stupid reasons will probably be the cause of this country's no longer being a democracy sooner or later.

[DPG21920]

Thinking you're being rational here only proves you're a ball of pure emotion.

Ah, the ol' "but did you die" canard.


Sorry, bro -- the right has told us exactly what the plan to do in a second Trump administration. You probably know nothing about it because, you know, single issue.

I can't say what Biden thinks. I'm saying that I think that people like you giving up your only actual voice in a democracy for stupid reasons will probably be the cause of this country's no longer being a democracy sooner or later.

Ya - trying to coerce people into voting for someone they don’t like screams “democracy” and acting like you know better than everyone screams “democracy”. You are the one pouting and calling names and trying to gaslight - you have no high ground here and you are every bit the problem and I’d argue worse since your method is directly what has voters tired and forcing them towards Trump.

Think about that. You are so bad at convincing people on something that should be so obvious that you literally turn them towards what should be an obvious terrible decision. Thats on you. Look in the mirror.

I mean imagine being a grown adult male who is trying to tell others they are dumb while using the logic that if you are voting based off a single issue that it means you have no idea about other issues. The lack of brain power is astounding especially in the face of you trying to belittle others and ram your version of democracy down people’s throats (which again, isn’t democracy). If people vote against you, its just means you need to look in the mirror. Which you cant do because you’re emotional.

[ChumpDumper]

Ya - trying to coerce people into voting for someone they don’t like screams “democracy” and acting like you know better than everyone screams “democracy”. You are the one pouting and calling names and trying to gaslight - you have no high ground here and you are every bit the problem and I’d argue worse since your method is directly what has voters tired and forcing them towards Trump. Nope.

I'm voting.

I'm better than you.


Think about that. You are so bad at convincing people on something that should be so obvious that you literally turn them towards what should be an obvious terrible decision. Thats on you. Look in the mirror.

I looked in the mirror.

I'm not stupid.

You're being stupid.

I'm not here to convince you of anything. I would never think I could convince a person like you of anything. That would be stupid.

I'm here tell you you're stupid.


I mean imagine being a grown adult male who is trying to tell others they are dumb while using the logic that if you are voting based off a single issue that it means you have no idea about other issues. The lack of brain power is astounding especially in the face of you trying to belittle others and ram your version of democracy down people’s throats (which again, isn’t democracy). If people vote against you, its just means you need to look in the mirror. Which you cant do because you’re emotional.
I looked in the mirror again.

Same conclusion.

You're stupid.

If you think the best thing for you do is just give up, there is no other conclusion.

[DPG21920]

Nope.

I vote.

I'm better than you.



I looked in the mirror.

I'm not stupid.

You're being stupid.

I'm not here to convince you of anything.

I'm here tell you you're stupid.


I looked in the mirror again.

Same conclusion.

You're stupid.

Only in a clown world in which letting Trump win due to your inability and incompetence in convincing people that an obviously awful man is awful can you call others stupid. The audacity with no irony to call others stupid when you cant even convince others that Trump is bad is astounding to me.

It’s literally the easiest job in the world to make the case Trump is awful and it’s obvious how awful he is and yet? You cannot find a way to do it.

Good news is, I can compartmentalize and still exist next to you as a human and discuss basketball and not hold any ill will for your political views. Just no need to discuss politics with you since you’re so clearly emotional about it.

[ChumpDumper]

Only in a clown world in which letting Trump win due to your inability and incompetence in convincing people that an obviously awful man is awful can you all others stupid. The audacity with no irony to call others stupid when you cant even convince others that Trump is bad is astounding to me. Since when is is my job to convince you?

Of anything?

I am under no obligation to save you from yourself in The Club, bro.


It’s literally the easiest job in the world to make the case Trump is awful and it’s obvious how awful he is and yet? You cannot find a way to do it.

Your admission you can't do this for yourself is simply perfect. You keep whining.


Good news is, I can compartmentalize and still exist next to you as a human and discuss basketball and not hold any ill will for your political views. Just no need to discuss politics with you since you’re so clearly emotional about it.

:lol you're the one staying home and pouting, bro.

[DPG21920]

Since when is is my job to convince you?

Of anything?

I am under no obligation to save you from yourself in The Club, bro.



Your admission you can't do this for yourself is simply perfect. You keep whining.



:lol you're the one staying home and pouting, bro.

In all honesty my biggest hope at the moment is Biden drops out and is replaced with someone more viable that can wash clean the nastiness of Biden/Warren and be rational about crypto at least (at a minimum realize how foolish and authoritarian they have been even if they dont support it) and that’s enough to turn the tides. But Im doubtful Biden and legacy dems will relinquish any power.

Dems have no one to blame but themselves if Trump ends up back in office.

[DPG21920]

Funny thing is this is the exact same cry baby emotional behavior we got from Hillary fans who gaslit Bernie supporters and said “suck it up Bernie bros” (funny how that catchphrase keeps popping up despite wildly different people). And it worked on me despite being pissed at how my own party railroaded its own candidate despite Bernies very popular support (shocker that Warren was as the center of that issue as well). I voted for Hillary. Trump still won.

The dem party is broken with regards to legacy dem thinking, gaslighting and never having to come through on anything good because their entire platform is “trump is bad”.

“Sure, we screwed your guy and it was underhanded and nasty but Trump is a bad man and we had to do it for the greater good!!!! Just shut up and vote Hillary so Trump doesnt win”

Literally same playbook, same emotional cry baby authoritarian behavior chalked full of gaslighting.

[Blake]

In all honesty my biggest hope at the moment is Biden drops out and is replaced with someone more viable that can wash clean the nastiness of Biden/Warren and be rational about crypto at least (at a minimum realize how foolish and authoritarian they have been even if they dont support it) and that’s enough to turn the tides. But Im doubtful Biden and legacy dems will relinquish any power.

Dems have no one to blame but themselves if Trump ends up back in office.

Because of crypto?

[DPG21920]

Because of crypto?

Thats just part of it. I want the younger, Bernie faction to gain more prominence and sort erase the nasty Hillary/Biden/Warren views from the party and the baggage that now accompanies it. Hillary lost to Trump. Biden may lose to Trump. It’s not “dems” it’s this faction of dems that has lost touch with reality.

Crypto is a part of it for me, but I want to see just more common sense, less warmongering and partnering with big banks and getting back to real leftist ideals but with some damn common sense and business acumen applied for the good of the country.

[ChumpDumper]

In all honesty my biggest hope at the moment is Biden drops out and is replaced with someone more viable that can wash clean the nastiness of Biden/Warren and be rational about crypto at least (at a minimum realize how foolish and authoritarian they have been even if they dont support it) and that’s enough to turn the tides. But Im doubtful Biden and legacy dems will relinquish any power.

Dems have no one to blame but themselves if Trump ends up back in office.

Nah, we have people like you to blame.

We will have actually voted.

You will have given up everything.

[DPG21920]

Nah, we have people like you to blame.

We will have actually voted.

You will have given up everything.

I voted for Hillary. Still lost to Trump. I blame you for not being better at showing more the way and finding a winning narrative.

[DPG21920]

Imagine blaming DPG and not Dems for losing to Trump twice :lol

[ChumpDumper]

I voted for Hillary. Still lost to Trump. I blame you for not being better at showing more the way and finding a winning narrative.:lol just like a crypto bro running away from all responsibility.

It was mostly men who gave up back then. I can easily blame them for being so afraid of women.

[ChumpDumper]

Imagine blaming DPG and not Dems for losing to Trump twice :lol

Imagine having all the ego of DPG and no concept of civil responsibility that can overcome love of imaginary electric money :lol

[DPG21920]

Imagine having all the ego of DPG and no concept of civil responsibility that can overcome love of imaginary electric money :lol

So you’d be fine with me exercising my civic duty and voting Trump then. Your issue is me saying I may abstain?

Imagine licking boots like ChumpDumper and placing more blame on others than the elected officials failing the people.

[DPG21920]

Hillary loses to Trump: Damn Bernie bros!!!

Biden loses to Trump: Damn crypto bros!!!

Grow up, take some responsibility and understand that if Biden loses a national election it’s not because of crypto bros but because the dem party and people like you have failed miserable with your tactics and results.

Losing to Trump is a direct condemnation of your behavior and abilities.

[ChumpDumper]

So you’d be fine with me exercising my civic duty and voting Trump then. Your issue is me saying I may abstain? Either choice is a vote for Trump.


Hillary loses to Trump: Damn Bernie bros!!!

Biden loses to Trump: Damn crypto bros!!!

Grow up, take some responsibility and understand that if Biden loses a national election it’s not because of crypto bros but because the dem party and people like you have failed miserable with your tactics and results.

Losing to Trump is a direct condemnation of your behavior and abilities.Nah. All you're saying is you're fine with Trump. It says everything about you and not me.

Own it. You just don't care that much about anything but your electric money.

[Darth_Pelican]

It's sounding like Ethereum's ETF launch date will be 7/2. Good stuff. Hopefully Solana is next to get ETF approval.

[DPG21920]

Either choice is a vote for Trump.

Nah. All you're saying is you're fine with Trump. It says everything about you and not me.

Own it. You just don't care that much about anything but your electric money.

You are fine with Trump. Own it. You aren’t holding them to any standard and instead gaslighting me and others vs holding their feet to fire on lack of performance. You would rather Trump win than change your approach and ask them to change theirs. I care about lots of things other than bitcoin. But if Im not going to get any of the other stuff I want and Im still getting wars and big bank dominance, then yes, I care about bitcoin more than any other single issue.

Look in the mirror and own it. You want Trump and are ok with it since you refuse to accept responsibility for your approach and dem actions.

[ChumpDumper]

You are fine with Trump.No. There is no situation where I do anything but vote for the major party candidate opposing Trump.

You can't say that.

You need to own what you just posted a few minutes ago, bro.

Can you do that?

Shall I quote what you said?

[DPG21920]

No. There is no situation where I do anything but vote against the major party candidate opposing Trump.

You can't say that.

You need to own what you just posted a few minutes ago, bro.

Can you do that?

Shall I quote what you said?

Thats not the point. It’s your actions, not just your vote, that are causing these issues. Your actions are directly putting Trump in office and because you have such an ego and dont care if Trump gets elected because you value doing things your way more than democracy and getting results which are better for the country.

Own it.

[ChumpDumper]

Thats not the point. It’s your actions, not just your vote, that are causing these issues.Nope.

It's precisely the point.

You have a choice between two candidates.

One of them is Trump.

You said earlier you are fine with Trump and will not vote against him.

You literally said this.

Are you going to own it?

Yes or no.

[DPG21920]

Nope.

It's precisely the point.

You have a choice between two candidates.

One of them is Trump.

You said earlier you are fine with Trump and will not vote against him.

You literally said this.

Are you going to own it?

Yes or no.

Yes, I already did own it lol. I said I will not under any circumstances vote for Biden again unless he publicly comes out pro crypto and takes meaningful actions that illustrate that. If you care about not having Trump elected, I suggest making a call to his office and explaining he should do just that.

If not you are complicit in getting Trump elected and value your ego more than this country. I voted for Hillary and Trump still won. It’s clear that it’s not enough.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, I already did own it lol.Thanks.

You're fine with Trump and that's all anyone needs to know about you, bro.

[DPG21920]

Thanks.

You're fine with Trump and that's all anyone needs to know about you, bro.

You are also fine with Trump and that’s all that anyone needs to know about you. You dont get to simply cast a little vote which we already saw with Hillary wasn’t enough and looks like wont be enough this time and say you aren’t ok with Trump.

If you are acting like you do (you being both you + so many like you) and driving voters away and not holding Biden and Dems to the fire to get results then you are complicit. This is the adult world friend, not online. Results matter and actions matter and you are a bigger part of the problem despite your one vote when your actions and bootlicking are directly driving more than one vote to Trump.

[ChumpDumper]

You are also fine with TrumpNo, I have voted and will always vote against him.

You can't say that.

[Spurminator]

That question is not relevant at all. The only question that matters is: does Biden/Warren have the right to weaponize the SEC and court systems and treat honest Americans like me that are deciding what we want to invest our own money in like criminals despite this industry in American being fully regulated already on top of trying to welcome modern common sense legislation to help protect investors.

In what way are they proposing to treat you like a criminal?

[DPG21920]

No, I have voted and will always vote against him.

You can't say that.

I didnt say I could say that. You will vote against him same as I did two times already. Difference is, I see what’s coming and Im holding Biden’s feet to fire using my voice and vote in hopes he makes the changes necessary to keep Trump from getting into office.

So like you, Biden can be authoritarian and lose or he can swallow his ego (and you yours) and he can drop the war against crypto and earn the votes necessary to win. Seems like a prudent and fair deal. Let’s see if yalls egos will allow for it.

[DPG21920]

In what way are they proposing to treat you like a criminal?

Dont have time nor care to get into if you aren’t following the industry closely. But stuff like running a node and using mixers and acting like doing that means Im a terrorist or facilitating illicit activity such as money laundering etc…and its not just “me” its the collective industry including individuals, developers, code writers, node runners and publicly traded companies.

But undo responsibility on me with regards to privacy etc…many, many things.

[ChumpDumper]

I didnt say I could say that. You will vote against him same as I did two times already. Difference is, I see what’s coming and Im holding Biden’s feet to fire using my voice and vote in hopes he makes the changes necessary to keep Trump from getting into office.

So like you, Biden can be authoritarian and lose or he can swallow his ego (and you yours) and he can drop the war against crypto and earn the votes necessary to win. Seems like a prudent and fair deal. Let’s see if yalls egos will allow for it.Nah, you're fine with Trump.

I'm not.

Period.

There is nothing fair nor prudent about your ego's choice for Trump.

[Blake]

In what way are they proposing to treat you like a criminal?

WrOnG QuesTiOn!!

[DPG21920]

Nah, you're fine with Trump.

I'm not.

Period.

There is nothing fair nor prudent about your ego's choice for Trump.

Exact opposite. Your ego and bootlicking is going to get Trump elected. Hope you’re happy. You’d rather have Trump in office than change your approach to appeal to voters. Sad. Tells me everything I need to know about you politically.

You called us Bernie Bros. You call us Crypto Bros and both times your gaslighting will lead to Trump in office and you refuse to change out of pure ego and hubris. It’s disgusting behavior.

[DPG21920]

WrOnG QuesTiOn!!

It is wrong. I explained why. You didnt even disagree that it was the wrong question after my explanation of why.

[Spurminator]

Dont have time nor care to get into if you aren’t following the industry closely. But stuff like running a node and using mixers and acting like doing that means Im a terrorist or facilitating illicit activity such as money laundering etc…and its not just “me” its the collective industry including individuals, developers, code writers, node runners and publicly traded companies.

But undo responsibility on me with regards to privacy etc…many, many things.

I'm genuinely curious. I don't follow the industry closely because I prefer the tried and true method of making money by working and investing in real companies.

Are they designating these as terrorist actions, or just trying to gain more oversight on the activities to prevent laundering and terrorist funding?

[DPG21920]

I'm genuinely curious. I don't follow the industry closely because I prefer the tried and true method of making money by working and investing in real companies.

Are they designating these as terrorist actions, or just trying to gain more oversight on the activities to prevent laundering and terrorist funding?

Well considering the US Dollar use in those activities far outweighs any crypto I say that point is moot to a degree. But it’s more the former than the latter. They are trying to make open source code illegal and apply outdated ideas using verifiable false lies/data to regulate by intimidation and force.

I also work hard, went to college, have a family and I prefer that my wealth is not stolen from me via inflation and infinite money printing and endless wars.

Ive seen tech stocks go down 50%+, housing markets crash and banks that should have gone to zero bailed out despite their illegal activities so spare me the snide little sarcastic remarks?

I’m not asking for you or anyone to support Bitcoin or care about it; Im simply asking you don’t bootlick authoritarian leaders and actions and support people’s basic rights to own regulated assets whether you see value in them or not.

[Blake]

Right, that's why I compared it to gambling/ casinos. You disagreed. Make up your mind.


Where did I disagree?


I think Abbott is atrocious overall other than his pro crypto forward thinking policies there working alongside bitcoin miners to help with grid stabilization and unique solutions there. Shooting down gambling at a state level is one thing; weaponizing government agencies and courts (that’s very different than legit voting/passing of laws) is entirely another.

Crypto and companies like Coinbase are PUBLICLY traded as approved by the SEC - so to say its unregulated, when they are subject to all the same rigors of all publicly traded companies is just ridiculous and a lie and as evidenced by the shuttering of banks and multiple embarrassing losses in court, what Biden/Warren are doing is completely different than “shooting down gambling”

Now spin how that's not what you meant, that being completely different from gambling is completely different from what you meant

[DPG21920]

Now spin how that's not what you meant, that being completely different from gambling is completely different from what you meant

Huh? Did you think you were cooking with that :lol

It’s pretty clear the context. I dont disagree crypto is like gambling. I disagree that what Warren/Biden are doing is similar to shooting down legalizing Vegas like casinos in Texas. Pretty straightforward so don’t even know what you are on about?

[spurraider21]

Are they designating these as terrorist actions, or just trying to gain more oversight on the activities to prevent laundering and terrorist funding?


it’s more the former than the latter. They are trying to make open source code illegal and apply outdated ideas using verifiable false lies/data to regulate by intimidation and force.
how is this remotely similar to "designating these as terrorist actions" or treating you, as someone holding crypto, as a criminal?

[ChumpDumper]

Exact opposite. Your ego and bootlicking is going to get Trump elected. Hope you’re happy. You’d rather have Trump in office than change your approach to appeal to voters. Sad. Tells me everything I need to know about you politically.

You called us Bernie Bros. You call us Crypto Bros and both times your gaslighting will lead to Trump in office and you refuse to change out of pure ego and hubris. It’s disgusting behavior.Nah, both times whiny babies chose their egos over the good of the nation when it really mattered.

You are the baby this time. Congratulations, bro.

[DPG21920]

how is this remotely similar to "designating these as terrorist actions"

Because they are literally taking people to court and charging them with aiding terrorist activities and money laundering?

[DPG21920]

Nah, both times whiny babies chose their egos over the good of the nation when it really mattered.

You are the baby this time. Congratulations, bro.

Nah - you are the consistent problem here. Your tactics are exactly the same (Bernie bros, crypto bros) and you are the reason Trump will win. Sorry. Thats the cold hard truth. I suggest laying down your ego, making calls to your dem elected officials and tell them to stand down and use common sense and not blow an election due to crypto. It’s easy enough for you to do if you care about this country and keeping Trump out of office.

Will you commit to doing your part? Or just going to keep doing it your way and lose and be ok with Trump in office again?

[ChumpDumper]

Nah - you are the consistent problem here. Your tactics are exactly the same (Bernie bros, crypto bros) and you are the reason Trump will win. Sorry. Thats the cold hard truth. I suggest laying down your ego, making calls to your dem elected officials and tell them to stand down and use common sense and not blow an election due to crypto. It’s easy enough for you to do if you care about this country and keeping Trump out of office.

Will you commit to doing your part? Or just going to keep doing it your way and lose and be ok with Trump in office again?Why do I need to threaten the Democratic Party on your or any bro's behalf? Please explain.

Which elected officials have you personally called demanding they stand down to serve your interests?

List them.

[ChumpDumper]

Because they are literally taking people to court and charging them with aiding terrorist activities and money laundering?
Ah, now we're getting somewhere.

I believe the lawyer will be asking for the cases in question.

[DPG21920]

Why do I need to threaten the Democratic Party on your or any bro's behalf? Please explain.

Which elected officials have you personally called demanding they stand down to serve your interests?

List them.

You dont need to threaten them. Only in your world is asking for dems to use common sense and stop acting like authoritarians “threatening” like we work for them? Thats a very odd way to phrase it especially with so much on the line (trump winning).

[DPG21920]

Ah, now we're getting somewhere.

I believe the lawyer will be asking for the cases in question.

Do your own research. You have already shown an incredible bias and I will not be putting effort in good faith to engage and run your errands. You call your elected officials and show my proof you have done this and then I will take you seriously and believe you truly aren’t ok with Trump winning. You do some work, then I will. Seems fair.

[ChumpDumper]

You dont need to threaten them. Only in your world is asking for dems to use common sense and stop acting like authoritarians “threatening” like we work for them? Thats a very odd way to phrase it especially with so much on the line (trump winning).Of course you are asking me to threaten to do what you are doing. It is all I can really do as a voter unless you want to get into a whole donation discussion.


Do your own research. You have already shown an incredible bias and I will not be putting effort in good faith to engage and run your errands. You call your elected officials and show my proof you have done this and then I will take you seriously and believe you truly aren’t ok with Trump winning. You do some work, then I will. Seems fair.

No, you are demanding I fight your battle for you. You have to convince me with actual facts and your record of fighting your own battle in the first place.

This is your responsibility because you are demanding action from me. Are you going to do something now or whine and withdraw like you plan on doing this election?

[spurraider21]

Because they are literally taking people to court and charging them with aiding terrorist activities and money laundering?
are the people being taken to court as criminals people like you who just happen to own stakes in crypto?

[Joseph Kony]

I own crypto

I will not be voting for Donald Trump


I hope that clears things up

[spurraider21]

as a reminder, this was your claim


That question is not relevant at all. The only question that matters is: does Biden/Warren have the right to weaponize the SEC and court systems and treat honest Americans like me that are deciding what we want to invest our own money in like criminals despite this industry in American being fully regulated already on top of trying to welcome modern common sense legislation to help protect investors.

Thats it. I could say I think crypto is only a lottery ticket that does nothing for me and still I would have the right, just like I do in Vegas or buying Texas Lottery tickets or whatever. You under no circumstances get to unilaterally decide as a President to weaponize government agencies against citizens.

[Spurminator]

But it’s more the former than the latter. They are trying to make open source code illegal and apply outdated ideas using verifiable false lies/data to regulate by intimidation and force.

I don't see this anywhere, link?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm trying to understand a legitimate use for a crypto mixer by a regular bro.

[Blake]

It is wrong. I explained why. You didnt even disagree that it was the wrong question after my explanation of why.

You care about crypto a lot but can't give a true explanation why other than "muh rights to buh crypto". It's ridiculous.

[Blake]

I own crypto

I will not be voting for Donald Trump


I hope that clears things up

iF biDen preSiDenT thEn U guN bE a criMinAL thO. yoU haD better non-VoTe hiM oR ElsE

[Blake]

Now spin how that's not what you meant, that being completely different from gambling is completely different from what you meant


Huh? Did you think you were cooking with that :lol

It’s pretty clear the context. I dont disagree crypto is like gambling. I disagree that what Warren/Biden are doing is similar to shooting down legalizing Vegas like casinos in Texas. Pretty straightforward so don’t even know what you are on about?

Lol casino gambling in Texas is actually a criminal act. Who is Texas to say how people should invest their money? I don't see your uproar over it. Never will.

[DPG21920]

I own crypto

I will not be voting for Donald Trump


I hope that clears things up

Great vote however you want lol. Pretty straightforward and not controversial at all. What I won’t do is try to gaslight you. Easy enough.

[DPG21920]

I'm trying to understand a legitimate use for a crypto mixer by a regular bro.

You don’t need to understand it. You don’t care about it. You just need to support others who do care rights.

[DPG21920]

I don't see this anywhere, link?

Plenty of cases with these implications. A quick Google search will help.

[ChumpDumper]

You don’t need to understand it. You don’t care about it. You just need to support others who do care rights.Not good enough.

If you can't make your own case to protect your electric money mixing "rights" -- I don't need to support you.

This is your responsibility and your own interest. Why are you running away from it?

[ChumpDumper]

Plenty of cases with these implications. A quick Google search will help.

Why are you being so evasive?

[DPG21920]

as a reminder, this was your claim

Yes. Key words “like me”. There are people who own crypto and do other things I don’t necessarily do (like write open source code etc, use mixers) that are being targeted. Alongside legislation being proposed that’s very dangerous and takes things that are more commonly done by people like me (running nodes etc) and trying to apply ridiculous laws to them that call them/us money transmitters which means being subject to all sorts of insane regulation which is damn near impossible to adhere to which in fact is am aim to criminalize bitcoin holders

If you aren’t playing dumb and have followed your these sec actions and Warren proposals etc it’s pretty clear. It’s also why the sec is getting absolutely destroyed in courts but interesting you seem to know nothing about that hmm

[DPG21920]

Why are you being so evasive?

Because you’re not a person who debates in good faith so I owe you nothing. I gave you my parameters. You do the work and so will I.

[DPG21920]

Not good enough.

If you can't make your own case to protect your electric money mixing "rights" -- I don't need to support you.

This is your responsibility and your own interest. Why are you running away from it?

Then lose the election. It’s on you. As I clearly pointed out.

[ChumpDumper]

Because you’re not a person who debates in good faith so I owe you nothing. I gave you my parameters. You do the work and so will I.:lol I wasn't the one who asked that question, bro.

Questions are not debate.

[ChumpDumper]

Then lose the election. It’s on you. As I clearly pointed out.Why are running away?

Crypto bros love talking about crypto.

[DPG21920]

Not good enough.

If you can't make your own case to protect your electric money mixing "rights" -- I don't need to support you.

This is your responsibility and your own interest. Why are you running away from it?

Just like I don’t need to explain why I may want cash to transact in privacy is a default. Government needs a legit reason based on facts to strip those rights. It’s not on me to justify it.

[ChumpDumper]

Just like I don’t need to explain why I may want cash to transact in privacy is a default. Government needs a legit reason based on facts to strip those rights. It’s not on me to justify it.I would say all the hundreds of millions of dollars worth of crypto that was laundered through mixers as proved in court is pretty legit.

What is a legitimate reason to use a crypto mixer?

[DPG21920]

And constant spouting of rhetoric like “Bitcoin is only used by criminals and terrorists” knowing people like me own it is literally trying to create a narrative I’m a criminal whether directly or indirectly

[ChumpDumper]

And constant spouting of rhetoric like “Bitcoin is only used by criminals and terrorists” knowing people like me own it is literally trying to create a narrative I’m a criminal whether directly or indirectlyI don't know of anyone here or in office who is saying that with the "only" qualifier.

Can we see some quotes?

[DPG21920]

I would say all the hundreds of millions of dollars worth of crypto that was laundered through mixers as proved in court is pretty legit.

What is a legitimate reason to use a crypto mixer?

Lmao show me the facts on that. Simultaneously show me the amount in dollars for same activities

[ChumpDumper]

Lmao show me the facts on that. Simultaneously show me the amount in dollars for same activitiesSure.

Will you do the same when people ask the same level of proof from you?

[DPG21920]

I don't know of anyone here or in office who is saying that with the "only" qualifier.

Can we see some quotes?

This is how I know you are not a serious person lol

[ChumpDumper]

Lmao show me the facts on that. Simultaneously show me the amount in dollars for same activities

According to court documents and evidence presented at trial, Roman Sterlingov, 35, was involved in operating Bitcoin Fog from 2011 through 2021. Bitcoin Fog was the longest-running cryptocurrency “mixer,” gaining notoriety as a go-to money laundering service for criminals seeking to hide their illicit proceeds from law enforcement. Over the course of its decade-long operation, Bitcoin Fog moved over 1.2 million bitcoin, which was valued at approximately $400 million at the time of the transactions. The bulk of this cryptocurrency came from darknet marketplaces and was tied to illegal narcotics, computer crimes, identity theft, and child sexual abuse material.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/bitcoin-fog-operator-convicted-money-laundering-conspiracy

That's just one case and it already met your demands.

Would you like more?

[ChumpDumper]

This is how I know you are not a serious person lol

I am serious.

I will read every link you provide to quotes saying what you claim: “Bitcoin is only used by criminals and terrorists”

Not verbatim, of course.

[DPG21920]

Sure.

Will you do the same when people ask the same level of proof from you?

Probably not. Just being honest.

[DPG21920]

According to court documents and evidence presented at trial, Roman Sterlingov, 35, was involved in operating Bitcoin Fog from 2011 through 2021. Bitcoin Fog was the longest-running cryptocurrency “mixer,” gaining notoriety as a go-to money laundering service for criminals seeking to hide their illicit proceeds from law enforcement. Over the course of its decade-long operation, Bitcoin Fog moved over 1.2 million bitcoin, which was valued at approximately $400 million at the time of the transactions. The bulk of this cryptocurrency came from darknet marketplaces and was tied to illegal narcotics, computer crimes, identity theft, and child sexual abuse material.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/bitcoin-fog-operator-convicted-money-laundering-conspiracy

That's just one case and it already met your demands.

Would you like more?

Ya. A lot of that has already been debunked with regards to the numbers and how they tracked addresses by the way. Sure, theres some of that, but the estimations were very far off, often times intentionally, so the data could be weaponzied by Warren and the like.

[spurraider21]

Yes. Key words “like me”. There are people who own crypto and do other things I don’t necessarily do (like write open source code etc, use mixers) that are being targeted. Alongside legislation being proposed that’s very dangerous and takes things that are more commonly done by people like me (running nodes etc) and trying to apply ridiculous laws to them that call them/us money transmitters which means being subject to all sorts of insane regulation which is damn near impossible to adhere to which in fact is am aim to criminalize bitcoin holders

If you aren’t playing dumb and have followed your these sec actions and Warren proposals etc it’s pretty clear. It’s also why the sec is getting absolutely destroyed in courts but interesting you seem to know nothing about that hmm
thats like saying they are treating "people like me" as criminals when they prove white collar crime by looking at bank accounts, because i too, have a bank account

these arent people like you being treated as criminals

[DPG21920]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/haileylennon/2021/01/19/the-false-narrative-of-bitcoins-role-in-illicit-activity/

Yellen continued, “I think many (cryptocurrencies) are used, at least in a transaction sense, mainly for illicit financing. And I think we really need to examine ways in which we can curtail their use, and make sure that anti-money laundering (sic) doesn't occur through those channels.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/06/jamie-dimon-lashes-out-on-crypto-if-i-was-the-government-id-close-it-down.html

JPMorgan Chase (https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/JPM/) CEO Jamie Dimon lashed out at bitcoin and its peers, suggesting in remarks Wednesday on Capitol Hill that cryptocurrencies should be banned.
“I’ve always been deeply opposed to crypto, bitcoin, etc.,” the head of the largest U.S. bank by assets said under questioning from Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., during a Senate Banking Committee hearing. “The only true use case for it is criminals, drug traffickers … money laundering, tax avoidance.”


“If I was the government, I’d close it down,” he added.

tons more examples too of mostly dem elected officials and big bankers using this type of rhetoric

[ChumpDumper]

Probably not. Just being honest.
Pretty arrogant or you tbh. Stereotypical crypto bro.

Ya. A lot of that has already been debunked with regards to the numbers and how they tracked addresses by the way. Sure, theres some of that, but the estimations were very far off, often times intentionally, so the data could be weaponzied by Warren and the like.
Great, show the numbers for that case after the debunking.

[DPG21920]

thats like saying they are treating "people like me" as criminals when they prove white collar crime by looking at bank accounts, because i too, have a bank account

these arent people like you being treated as criminals

Buddy, people like me that use bitcoin and do simple things like run nodes are in fact being treated this way with the legislation being pushed. It’s not the same level as what you described at all. Alongside the constant rhetoric painting the picture that Bitcoin and crypto are used mainly or only for illegal things etc…

Im shocked a lawyer doesnt understand this and would try to make such a specious argument and ignore that privacy is a default alongside ignoring how the SEC is getting obliterated in actual courts to back up my assertions as well.

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/haileylennon/2021/01/19/the-false-narrative-of-bitcoins-role-in-illicit-activity/

Yellen continued, “I think many (cryptocurrencies) are used, at least in a transaction sense, mainly for illicit financing. And I think we really need to examine ways in which we can curtail their use, and make sure that anti-money laundering (sic) doesn't occur through those channels.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/06/jamie-dimon-lashes-out-on-crypto-if-i-was-the-government-id-close-it-down.html

JPMorgan Chase (https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/JPM/) CEO Jamie Dimon lashed out at bitcoin and its peers, suggesting in remarks Wednesday on Capitol Hill that cryptocurrencies should be banned.
“I’ve always been deeply opposed to crypto, bitcoin, etc.,” the head of the largest U.S. bank by assets said under questioning from Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., during a Senate Banking Committee hearing. “The only true use case for it is criminals, drug traffickers … money laundering, tax avoidance.”


“If I was the government, I’d close it down,” he added.

tons more examples too of mostly dem elected officials and big bankers using this type of rhetoric

JPMorgan Chase is not a government official.

But thanks for getting close with Yellen.

You are still 0-2 though.

Stick to the parameters you were given.

[DPG21920]

Pretty arrogant or you tbh. Stereotypical crypto bro.

Great, show the numbers for that case after the debunking.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/08/17/bitcoin-welcomes-all-but-its-no-haven-for-the-naive-criminal/#:~:text=Despite%20widespread%20misunderstandings% 20linking%20bitcoin,ties%20to%20criminal%20endeavo rs%20continue.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/11/08/how-misinformation-on-hamas-and-crypto-fooled-nearly-20-of-congress/#:~:text=The%20%24130%20Million%20Mix%2DUp&text=There's%20just%20one%20problem%3A%20that,Augu st%202021%20and%20June%202023.

Following Hamas’ attack, a report (https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/militants-behind-israel-attack-raised-millions-in-crypto-b9134b7a) emerged with estimates that the terrorist organization had raised more than $130 million in cryptocurrency to fund its war against Israel. Senator Elizabeth Warren—the self-appointed generalissima of the “anti-crypto army (https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/03/30/elizabeth-warren-is-building-an-anti-crypto-army-feeding-serious-us-bitcoin-ban-warnings/?sh=444adf171f6e)”—latched onto this eye-popping figure to conscript 104 of her congressional colleagues to sign a letter (https://www.warren.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2023.10.17%20Letter%20to%20Treasury%20and%20White% 20House%20re%20Hamas%20crypto%20security.pdf) to the White House urging the administration to take a closer look at crypto’s role in illicit financing. The letter called crypto a “national security threat” to the U.S. and its allies and cited the $130 million figure as key evidence for this assertion
There’s just one problem: that $130 million figure appears to be false.
In Warren’s letter, she claimed that Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad collectively “raised over $130 million in crypto” between August 2021 and June 2023. She cited data from an article in The Wall Street Journal, which leaned heavily on blockchain analytics firm Elliptic as a source. But last month, Elliptic disputed both Warren’s letter and The Wall Street Journal’s extrapolation of its research.
Why Data Firms Dispute WarrenA statement (https://www.elliptic.co/blog/setting-the-record-straight-on-crypto-crowdfunding-by-hamas) published by Elliptic took direct aim at the $130 million statistic, stating "There is no evidence to suggest that crypto fundraising has raised anything close to this amount, and data provided by Elliptic and others has been misinterpreted."

[DPG21920]

JPMorgan Chase is not a government official.

But thanks for getting close with Yellen.

You are still 0-2 though.

Stick to the parameters you were given.

JP Morgan statement was in direct testimony with Senator Warren lmao and she has said many of the same exact things. Sorry you lose and other than your little online circle jerk this reaction from you shows exactly what I said: you dont argue in good faith and you would rather hate bitcoin and let Trump win vs doing something different and get Biden elected. It’s sad and again it’s all on you. YOU are the problem.

[DPG21920]

Boiled down: I dont care what you think nor do I feel the need to defend bitcoin to you. If you were someone I valued or thought you acted in good faith and truly in earnest cared to see another person’s perspective then I would engage.

But you dont. You have an ego and you are fine with Trump getting elected again because your behavior, which mirrors Bidens dismissive and authoritarian behavior that assumes people are criminals and need to justify things (we dont) just to exist is exactly what could be the cause of Biden losing votes and putting Trump in the White House.

So because of your attitude and ego and refusal to adapt or change or listen to voters who you feel are beneath you, you run the risk of putting trump in the white house and you alone have to live with that.

Thats on you.

[spurraider21]

Buddy, people like me that use bitcoin and do simple things like run nodes are in fact being treated this way with the legislation being pushed. It’s not the same level as what you described at all. Alongside the constant rhetoric painting the picture that Bitcoin and crypto are used mainly or only for illegal things etc…

Im shocked a lawyer doesnt understand this and would try to make such a specious argument and ignore that privacy is a default alongside ignoring how the SEC is getting obliterated in actual courts to back up my assertions as well.
im not talking about whether the policy is good/bad or whether you agree or disagree with the SEC

i'm responding to your specific contention that "people like you are being treated like criminals." now, in the bolded, you mention things you do such as "use bitcoin and do simple things like run nodes." ok. who is being treated like a criminal for doing those things?

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/08/17/bitcoin-welcomes-all-but-its-no-haven-for-the-naive-criminal/#:~:text=Despite%20widespread%20misunderstandings% 20linking%20bitcoin,ties%20to%20criminal%20endeavo rs%20continue.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/11/08/how-misinformation-on-hamas-and-crypto-fooled-nearly-20-of-congress/#:~:text=The%20%24130%20Million%20Mix%2DUp&text=There's%20just%20one%20problem%3A%20that,Augu st%202021%20and%20June%202023.

Following Hamas’ attack, a report (https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/militants-behind-israel-attack-raised-millions-in-crypto-b9134b7a) emerged with estimates that the terrorist organization had raised more than $130 million in cryptocurrency to fund its war against Israel. Senator Elizabeth Warren—the self-appointed generalissima of the “anti-crypto army (https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/03/30/elizabeth-warren-is-building-an-anti-crypto-army-feeding-serious-us-bitcoin-ban-warnings/?sh=444adf171f6e)”—latched onto this eye-popping figure to conscript 104 of her congressional colleagues to sign a letter (https://www.warren.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2023.10.17%20Letter%20to%20Treasury%20and%20White% 20House%20re%20Hamas%20crypto%20security.pdf) to the White House urging the administration to take a closer look at crypto’s role in illicit financing. The letter called crypto a “national security threat” to the U.S. and its allies and cited the $130 million figure as key evidence for this assertion
There’s just one problem: that $130 million figure appears to be false.
In Warren’s letter, she claimed that Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad collectively “raised over $130 million in crypto” between August 2021 and June 2023. She cited data from an article in The Wall Street Journal, which leaned heavily on blockchain analytics firm Elliptic as a source. But last month, Elliptic disputed both Warren’s letter and The Wall Street Journal’s extrapolation of its research.
Why Data Firms Dispute WarrenA statement (https://www.elliptic.co/blog/setting-the-record-straight-on-crypto-crowdfunding-by-hamas) published by Elliptic took direct aim at the $130 million statistic, stating "There is no evidence to suggest that crypto fundraising has raised anything close to this amount, and data provided by Elliptic and others has been misinterpreted."
Not what I asked for.

JP Morgan statement was in direct testimony with Senator Warren lmao and she has said many of the same exact things.
Not what I asked for.

If you can't back up your claims, don't get mad at me. Look in the mirror.

[DPG21920]

im not talking about whether the policy is good/bad or whether you agree or disagree with the SEC

i'm responding to your specific contention that "people like you are being treated like criminals." now, in the bolded, you mention things you do such as "use bitcoin and do simple things like run nodes." ok. who is being treated like a criminal for doing those things?

Currently just for doing that? No one. Well at least not in the USA. But across the world in authoritarian places like China they are. My point was not only the rhetoric which I pointed out from government officials and the like, but the legislation that are actively trying to pass that would immediately make people like me criminals if it were passed.

[ChumpDumper]

Boiled down: I dont careYou cold have stopped there.

It's not my fault you do a shitty job of defending your perceived right to use crypto mixers and such.

I'd love to buy a winter's worth of pseudoephedrine in one visit to CVS but people who used it illegally made it to where I can't. I guess I have to vote for Trump now.

[DPG21920]

Not what I asked for.

Not what I asked for.

If you can't back up your claims, don't get mad at me. Look in the mirror.

Theres no one with a brain that would read our interaction and come out of thinking you were right or were doing well or your arguments as a whole are holding up. I presented numerous examples that illustrate my point but you are you and try to play online games and semantics and troll

Not buying it buddy. No one is other than your little crew here.

But again, good news is we dont know each other, will never be around each other and we dont have to care about each others opinions. You can live your life and I can live mine and that’s great and wish you nothing but the best my friend.

[DPG21920]

You cold have stopped there.

It's not my fault you do a shitty job of defending your perceived right to use crypto mixers and such.

I'd love to buy a winter's worth of pseudoephedrine in one visit to CVS but people who used it illegally made it to where I can't.

You do a shitty job of getting people to vote Biden and keep Trump out of office. Guess we both have our cross to bear. But its a little funny seeing you pirate authoritarian talking points and sentiments while claiming to be better than Trump lmao

I dont need to defend my right to use cash, defend my right for privacy. None of that. Thats boot licking from you because as I said, you are ok with Biden and Warrens behaviors that are the same as Trumps because you dont personally care for, understand or like bitcoin.

That tells us who you are.

[ChumpDumper]

Theres no one with a brain that would read our interaction and come out of thinking you were right or were doing well or your arguments as a whole are holding up. I presented numerous examples that illustrate my point but you are you and try to play online games and semantics and troll

Not buying it buddy. No one is other than your little crew here.

But again, good news is we dont know each other, will never be around each other and we dont have to care about each others opinions. You can live your life and I can live mine and that’s great and wish you nothing but the best my friend.I asked you for simple but specific links to back up your claims about rhetoric and debunked money laundering amounts.

You couldn't do it and got mad at me for asking.

I don't have a crew here. I actually own a bit of crypto.

I will still wait for you to provide links to the quotes and numbers I asked for. You're really confident in your ability to back up your claims. I'm open to read them. I already have -- they just were not what I asked you to provide.

[ChumpDumper]

You do a shitty job I don't have a job here. I have described behaviors of bros and other babyish groups.

I didn't make any claims about crypto in this crypto thread. That was you.

If you can't back them up, fine.

[ChumpDumper]

Currently just for doing that? No one. Well at least not in the USA. But across the world in authoritarian places like China they are. My point was not only the rhetoric which I pointed out from government officials and the like, but the legislation that are actively trying to pass that would immediately make people like me criminals if it were passed.

People like you or you specifically?

What are you doing right now that would immediately make you an outlaw were it passed?

[DPG21920]

I asked you for simple but specific links to back up your claims about rhetoric and debunked money laundering amounts.

You couldn't do it and got mad at me for asking.

I don't have a crew here. I actually own a bit of crypto.

I will still wait for you to provide links to the quotes and numbers I asked for. You're really confident in your ability to back up your claims. I'm open to read them. I already have -- they just were not what I asked you to provide.

It is. Illicit activity includes things like money laundering. Again, your own research could have yielded this very easily. I keep up with it closely and follow it all and you clearly dont and just rely on propaganda (which I showed was debunked despite it being used to introduce harmful legislation) from Warren and Biden/Dems.

https://www.cato.org/blog/overstating-crypto-crime-wont-lead-sound-policy

When it comes to money laundering specifically, the 2022 Chainalysis report estimates that cybercriminals laundered $8.6 billion in crypto in 2021, judging by funds flowing from illicit crypto addresses. To be clear, Chainalysis has noted that such figures are lower bound estimates and do not include crime that is not native to crypto. But even if Chainalysis’s figures were a significant undercounting (as Senator Warren has suggested), crypto’s use in illicit finance likely still would be a small fraction of the 2.7 percent of global GDP ($2.6 trillion in 2021) that a 2011 United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime report estimates is laundered annually.

For instance, a high estimate of illegal crypto activity in the peer‐​reviewed Review of Financial Studies extrapolated based on 2017 data that around $76 billion of illegal activity annually involves Bitcoin. At the time of the study, Bitcoin accounted for about half of total crypto market capitalization. Therefore, even if one made the aggressive (and unlikely to bear out) assumption that the other half of the crypto ecosystem experienced the same degree of illegal activity, this would still make a high‐​end estimate of illegal crypto activity approximately $152 billion, or 0.2 percent of contemporaneous global GDP—an order of magnitude smaller than the UN’s estimate of total money laundering around the globe each year.

The Treasury Department’s 2022 National Money Laundering Risk Assessment also supports the idea that crypto is far from money launderers’ primary tool for the job, finding that, although crypto’s use in illicit finance has been increasing over time, its use for money laundering is still “far below that of fiat currency and more traditional methods.”

[DPG21920]

People like you or you specifically?

What are you doing right now that would immediately make you an outlaw were it passed?

What does that matter? But let’s say I run a node. That activity, which many normal bitcoin holders do, would be an issue now. Unlike you, I care about right or wrong and even if it’s not me specifically it’s still not ok.

You, authoritarian bootlicker, are fine weaponizing courts and government agencies if it’s something you don’t particularly like.

[ChumpDumper]

It is. Illicit activity includes things like money laundering. Again, your own research could have yielded this very easily. I keep up with it closely and follow it all and you clearly dont and just rely on propaganda (which I showed was debunked despite it being used to introduce harmful legislation) from Warren and Biden/Dems.

https://www.cato.org/blog/overstating-crypto-crime-wont-lead-sound-policy

When it comes to money laundering specifically, the 2022 Chainalysis report estimates that cybercriminals laundered $8.6 billion in crypto in 2021, judging by funds flowing from illicit crypto addresses. To be clear, Chainalysis has noted that such figures are lower bound estimates and do not include crime that is not native to crypto. But even if Chainalysis’s figures were a significant undercounting (as Senator Warren has suggested), crypto’s use in illicit finance likely still would be a small fraction of the 2.7 percent of global GDP ($2.6 trillion in 2021) that a 2011 United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime report estimates is laundered annually.

For instance, a high estimate of illegal crypto activity in the peer‐​reviewed Review of Financial Studies extrapolated based on 2017 data that around $76 billion of illegal activity annually involves Bitcoin. At the time of the study, Bitcoin accounted for about half of total crypto market capitalization. Therefore, even if one made the aggressive (and unlikely to bear out) assumption that the other half of the crypto ecosystem experienced the same degree of illegal activity, this would still make a high‐​end estimate of illegal crypto activity approximately $152 billion, or 0.2 percent of contemporaneous global GDP—an order of magnitude smaller than the UN’s estimate of total money laundering around the globe each year.

The Treasury Department’s 2022 National Money Laundering Risk Assessment also supports the idea that crypto is far from money launderers’ primary tool for the job, finding that, although crypto’s use in illicit finance has been increasing over time, its use for money laundering is still “far below that of fiat currency and more traditional methods.”So instead of the US government's claim that hundreds of millions of dollars worth of crypto are laundered, the amount of crypto being laundered is billions of dollars.

I'm not sure you know how debunking works.

[ChumpDumper]

What does that matter? But let’s say I run a node. That activity, which many normal bitcoin holders do, would be an issue now.

An issue?

What does that mean?

Would just running a node be illegal?

Or would you have to do something like tell a government agency you are indeed running a node?

[DPG21920]

I don't have a job here. I have described behaviors of bros and other babyish groups.

I didn't make any claims about crypto in this crypto thread. That was you.

If you can't back them up, fine.

Same. I described people like you who only go online and gaslight and call people bros and use the same playbook from the same time trump won before and act like it will be any different this time with your collective terrible logic, shitty behavior and gaslighting.

[DPG21920]

So instead of the US government's claim that hundreds of millions of dollars worth of crypto are laundered, the amount of crypto being laundered is billions of dollars.

I'm not sure you know how debunking works.

Ok.

[DPG21920]

“ The Treasury Department’s 2022 National Money Laundering Risk Assessment also supports the idea that crypto is far from money launderers’ primary tool for the job, finding that, although crypto’s use in illicit finance has been increasing over time, its use for money laundering is still “far below that of fiat currency and more traditional methods.”

Address this point which is at the heart of your argument. The numbers used in all forms and individual cases have been largely debunked at every level and the main point is the USD is the main culprit. So please address that first.

[Spurminator]

Plenty of cases with these implications. A quick Google search will help.

Already tried that, hence "I don't see this anywhere." So name one.

[Spurminator]

And constant spouting of rhetoric like “Bitcoin is only used by criminals and terrorists” knowing people like me own it is literally trying to create a narrative I’m a criminal whether directly or indirectly

Who said this?

[Spurminator]

DPG your entire argument seems basically like saying "I smoke pot so I'm not voting for any administration that expresses concern about drug cartels." Your identity is far to wrapped up in the fact you do crypto. It's okay that you do, and it's also okay to acknowledge others use it for bad things.

[ChumpDumper]

“ The Treasury Department’s 2022 National Money Laundering Risk Assessment also supports the idea that crypto is far from money launderers’ primary tool for the job, finding that, although crypto’s use in illicit finance has been increasing over time, its use for money laundering is still “far below that of fiat currency and more traditional methods.”

Address this point which is at the heart of your argument. The numbers used in all forms and individual cases have been largely debunked at every level and the main point is the USD is the main culprit. So please address that first.No. You reinforced the numbers that were listed in the court cases.

You claimed that the numbers in that specific case -- the only case I brought up -- were debunked. I asked you for the revised numbers.

You gave me general comparisons of laundered crypto to the nation's entire GDP :lol.

I mean if people "only" spend $30 billion a year on meth, it's still a fucking problem and I still need to sign my name at the pharmacist.

[spurraider21]

Currently just for doing that? No one. Well at least not in the USA. But across the world in authoritarian places like China they are. My point was not only the rhetoric which I pointed out from government officials and the like, but the legislation that are actively trying to pass that would immediately make people like me criminals if it were passed.
first, thats not "treating you like a criminal." if you had a road with a speed limit of 55 and they want to pass a law lowering it to 45, that doesnt mean they are treating current drivers like criminals.

second, what legislation are they trying to pass that would make the manner in which you use bitcoin a criminal activity?

[DPG21920]

An issue?

What does that mean?

Would just running a node be illegal?

Or would you have to do something like tell a government agency you are indeed running a node?

Yes an issue. It more or less tries to open up the possibility of anyone running a node to be classified as a non licensed money transmitter. It creates all sorts of non sensical impossible to comply with legal issues with the goal of using threat of jail to intimidate people from said activities.

[DPG21920]

Who said this?

Again a quick Google search will do. I literally posted links as well.

[DPG21920]

No. You reinforced the numbers that were listed in the court cases.

You claimed that the numbers in that specific case -- the only case I brought up -- were debunked. I asked you for the revised numbers.

You gave me general comparisons of laundered crypto to the nation's entire GDP :lol.

I mean if people "only" spend $30 billion a year on meth, it's still a fucking problem and I still need to sign my name at the pharmacist.

I cited multiple items that illustrate a wide range of rampant lies and misconceptions regarding all the types of data used and the faulty studies and issues. I made my point.

You, if you’re going to make accusations and cite data have the obligation to have done thorough research to make sure the data is accurate.

[DPG21920]

first, thats not "treating you like a criminal." if you had a road with a speed limit of 55 and they want to pass a law lowering it to 45, that doesnt mean they are treating current drivers like criminals.

second, what legislation are they trying to pass that would make the manner in which you use bitcoin a criminal activity?

Already answered and your analogies suck tbh in this regard and don’t at all mirror the gravity of the actions or points.

[DPG21920]

first, thats not "treating you like a criminal." if you had a road with a speed limit of 55 and they want to pass a law lowering it to 45, that doesnt mean they are treating current drivers like criminals.

second, what legislation are they trying to pass that would make the manner in which you use bitcoin a criminal activity?

And saying bitcoin is mainly used by money launderers and terrorists etc alongside trying to pass legislation that would immediately without the ability to correct anything turn you into a criminal is not the same as them changing the speed limit and me being able to slow down and be fully compliant.

The similar analogy would not be them changing the speed limit but saying anyone who has a current license would need a brand new license that’s functionally not attainable by the average person like me.

[Spurminator]

Again a quick Google search will do. I literally posted links as well.

Maybe I assumed you were talking about elected officials saying it, I didn't realize we were including bank CEOs also. You know the JPMC CEO isn't running for office right?

[DPG21920]

No. You reinforced the numbers that were listed in the court cases.

You claimed that the numbers in that specific case -- the only case I brought up -- were debunked. I asked you for the revised numbers.

You gave me general comparisons of laundered crypto to the nation's entire GDP :lol.

I mean if people "only" spend $30 billion a year on meth, it's still a fucking problem and I still need to sign my name at the pharmacist.

Address the conclusion please. USD dominates this activities and the numbers used by government officials trying to pass legislation have been clearly lied about and way over exaggerated

[spurraider21]

Already answered and your analogies suck tbh in this regard and don’t at all mirror the gravity of the actions or points.
a) your answer was vaguely that they want to "make open source code illegal"... where are you seeing that?

b) the analogy is fine. the analogy doesnt have to mirror the gravity of the actions or points. the whole points of analogies are that they are similar in some ways to the thing you are describing. here, i'm merely talking about your claim that "they are actively trying to pass legislation that would immediately make people like me criminals if it passed." the analogy i gave is another situation where someone may pass a law that could make what was formerly legal activity now illegal. that doesnt mean they are currently treatming those people like criminals. i dont care if its a felony, misdemeanor, or citation. the degree/severity is not what i care to compare with that analogy

[DPG21920]

Maybe I assumed you were talking about elected officials saying it, I didn't realize we were including bank CEOs also. You know the JPMC CEO isn't running for office right?

Google Warren, Brad Sherman, Yellen and multiple other elected officials and or government employees. And JPM statements were in a literal senate hearing headed up by Warren to paint crypto in a negative light (using false data fyi)