Alec Baldwin fires prop gun, accidentally kills crew member

[Michael Jordan.]

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[Reck]

Jesus Christ. This guy has been a crazy ass loose cannon for years. They should go balls deep on this faggot.

[Michael Jordan.]

Jesus Christ. This guy has been a crazy ass loose cannon for years. They should go balls deep on this faggot.
Why is a prop gun loaded? Thought it was just blanks

[baseline bum]

Why is a prop gun loaded? Thought it was just blanks

No shit, how do actual bullets get on a fucking set?

[baseline bum]

Jesus Christ. This guy has been a crazy ass loose cannon for years. They should go balls deep on this faggot.

Baldwin is a self important dick but doubt he loaded that gun himself with live ammo.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Life in prison, no parole. Cocky son of a bitch had it long coming.

[lefty]

https://twitter.com/tresaerwin/status/1451375687571582998

[Reck]

Was he also just fiddling with the thing when he shot it at someone who wasn't an actor to begin with?

[baseline bum]

Was he also just fiddling with the thing when he shot it at someone who wasn't an actor to begin with?

If that's the case he should definitely face manslaughter charges. You don't fucking play with a gun under any circumstance. But if it was during a scene that's on whoever loaded the thing.

[Reck]

If that's the case he should definitely face manslaughter charges. You don't fucking play with a gun under any circumstance. But if it was during a scene that's on whoever loaded the thing.

Only reason I bring that up is because the person that got shot was the cinematographer. Should she be the person the gun was aim at? There is an info gap here we're missing.

[SnakeBoy]

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RIP Ms. Hutchins

[ElNono]

Brandon needs to get that pardon ready, tbh

[Xevious]

There's obviously some piece of info we're missing here. There are personnel on set in charge of firearm safety, the actors don't load the guns themselves. And I can't think of a reason why somebody would be firing in the direction of any crew members behind the camera, even with blanks.

[Darth_Pelican]

brings back memories of Brandon Lee tbh..

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

i don't know nothing about nothing, but 'movie folk' on twitter say that one scenario could be that the script called for him to aim the gun and fire right at the camera -- in which case the director and cinematographer would likely be right behind the camera (doing their jobs) and thus in the line of fire

so that's one theory

[SpursforSix]

How did two people get hit? Must have been a shotgun?

And is there something deeper here?

"Hutchins was a Los Angeles-based cinematographer from Ukraine who grew up on a Soviet military base within the Arctic Circle, according to her website."

[baseline bum]

i don't know nothing about nothing, but 'movie folk' on twitter say that one scenario could be that the script called for him to aim the gun and fire right at the camera -- in which case the director and cinematographer would likely be right behind the camera (doing their jobs) and thus in the line of fire

so that's one theory

Kind of expecting it will either be that or Baldwin being a douche and playing with the gun like it was a toy between takes. If it's the latter then he should be charged with manslaughter.

[monosylab1k]

Only reason I bring that up is because the person that got shot was the cinematographer. Should she be the person the gun was aim at? There is an info gap here we're missing.

If it’s a shot where he’s firing at the camera, then yeah she’d be in the path.

[monosylab1k]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf-bF_IQi6M

It’s completely plausible that a cinematographer would be in the line of fire.

[lefty]

What if he was afraid she was going to #MeToo him and it was no accident?

Either way, RIP :-(

[ChumpDumper]

There's obviously some piece of info we're missing here. There are personnel on set in charge of firearm safety, the actors don't load the guns themselves. And I can't think of a reason why somebody would be firing in the direction of any crew members behind the camera, even with blanks.

I can think of several scenes where a gun is fired in the direction of the camera.

[Reck]

I can think of several scenes where a gun is fired in the direction of the camera.

You would think that with today's seemless CGI special effect and technology that they would abandon this shtick of putting blanks and running the risk of injuring (Or killing such as in this case) people with a functioning prop.

Just use special effects...

[manufan10]

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/10/alec-baldwin-kill-someone-tweet13-1.png

Damn, that tweet didn't age well.

[manufan10]

"On Thursday, a union that covers prop masters said in an email seen by Indie Wire that the prop gun used by Baldwin contained a live round (https://nypost.com/2021/10/22/prop-gun-used-by-alec-baldwin-in-shooting-contained-live-round-union/)."

“In all my years, I’ve never been handed a hot gun,” the actor allegedly kept saying (https://nypost.com/2021/10/22/alec-baldwin-asked-why-was-he-given-hot-gun-after-fatal-shooting/).
A witness said Baldwin was in shock after the ordeal and “had no idea how badly they were hurt or Halyna was dead.”
Hutchins was airlifted to the University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque, where she died from her injuries (https://nypost.com/2021/10/22/who-is-halyna-hutchins-behind-the-cinematographer-fatally-shot-by-alec-baldwin/). Souza has reportedly been released from a hospital.


“Detectives are investigating how and what type of projectile was discharged,” the sheriff’s office said in a statement.
No charges were filed as of late Thursday and detectives are still interviewing witnesses.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/22/actor-who-fatally-shot-brandon-lee-in-1993-tragedy-also-traumatized/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

[Michael Jordan.]

"On Thursday, a union that covers prop masters said in an email seen by Indie Wire that the prop gun used by Baldwin contained a live round (https://nypost.com/2021/10/22/prop-gun-used-by-alec-baldwin-in-shooting-contained-live-round-union/)."

“In all my years, I’ve never been handed a hot gun,” the actor allegedly kept saying (https://nypost.com/2021/10/22/alec-baldwin-asked-why-was-he-given-hot-gun-after-fatal-shooting/).
A witness said Baldwin was in shock after the ordeal and “had no idea how badly they were hurt or Halyna was dead.”
Hutchins was airlifted to the University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque, where she died from her injuries (https://nypost.com/2021/10/22/who-is-halyna-hutchins-behind-the-cinematographer-fatally-shot-by-alec-baldwin/). Souza has reportedly been released from a hospital.


“Detectives are investigating how and what type of projectile was discharged,” the sheriff’s office said in a statement.
No charges were filed as of late Thursday and detectives are still interviewing witnesses.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/22/actor-who-fatally-shot-brandon-lee-in-1993-tragedy-also-traumatized/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow



Jesus. Yeah whoever loaded that thing, they will find them.

[Michael Jordan.]

No shit, how do actual bullets get on a fucking set?
Right. Whoever loaded it, No way anybody can they explain that being an accident or unintentional

[Michael Jordan.]

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wow. Using non union workers?

[Michael Jordan.]

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[ChumpDumper]

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wow. Using non union workers?Unclear.

While there were no Local 44 members employed on the set of Rust, it is still to be determined whether members of New Mexico Local 480, which covers “experienced film workers in 99 crafts within 20 departments,” according to their website, were working on the low-budget Western.

https://deadline.com/2021/10/alec-baldwin-fatal-shooting-bullets-used-police-iatse-rust-cinematographer-halyna-hutchins-1234860697/

[Xevious]

You would think that with today's seemless CGI special effect and technology that they would abandon this shtick of putting blanks and running the risk of injuring (Or killing such as in this case) people with a functioning prop.

Just use special effects...
I don't pretend to know how everything works, but with monitors and all the tech we have at our disposal now, I wouldn't think a camera operator would need to be staring down the lense while an actor fires blanks at it.

[monosylab1k]

That’s like asking a photographer to just take a picture without looking at their viewfinder. Plus most of them want to be in on the action even if they could stand in the back staring at a monitor.

And no, CGI gunfire would be completely noticeable and not realistic looking. There’s already a huge shortage of CGI studios capable of producing top notch effects, that’s how you end up with all these big budget superhero movies with terrible CGI.

[pgardn]

Twice?
After the first shot would it not be probable that the person with the gun realizes wtf?
Or just bang bang....?

[Trainwreck2100]

Twice?
After the first shot would it not be probable that the person with the gun realizes wtf?
Or just bang bang....?

probably bang bang just shooting the guns at the camera

[Ef-man]

Twice?
After the first shot would it not be probable that the person with the gun realizes wtf?
Or just bang bang....?

It was a single round. Went right through and killed first person and injured second person.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alec-baldwin-shoots-prop-gun-killing-1-injuring-another-set-n1282126

[pgardn]

It was a single round. Went right through and killed first person and injured second person.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alec-baldwin-shoots-prop-gun-killing-1-injuring-another-set-n1282126

Thanks that totally escaped me as I assumed in must have been two shots.

[Thread]

Thanks that totally escaped me as I assumed in must have been two shots.

That's because you have your head up your ass most of the time. You must like the view from in there.

[Thread]

That's because you have your head up your ass most of the time. You must like the view from in there.


https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/10/alec-baldwin-kill-someone-tweet13-1.png

Damn, that tweet didn't age well.

It's aged to perfection.

[MultiTroll]

And is there something deeper here?
No. Your moms ass was deep enough.

[MultiTroll]

Jesus. Yeah whoever loaded that thing, they will find them.
This is a case for Perry Mason.

[pgardn]

That's because you have your head up your ass most of the time. You must like the view from in there.

Whats the view like from the perspective of your head up Trump's ass?
And what can you add to Stormy's story of Donald's giant Mushroom cap penis with almost no stem? Taste and texture?
And yes, its your religion.

[koriwhat]

AB should be in shackles rn behind bars.

[Blake]

AB should be in shackles rn behind bars.

:lol

If it were Trump, you'd be like "give him a chance to prove himself y'all don't know anything yet"

[MultiTroll]

FWIW

An assistant director on the New Mexico (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/us-regions/southwest/new-mexico) movie set claimed that a gun being handed to Baldwin on Thursday was unloaded, a search warrant filed in a Santa Fe court said, according to reports.
"Cold gun," assistant director Dave Halls announced at the time, using lingo for an unloaded firearm, before a rehearsal for the movie, The Associated Press reported.
Soon afterward, court filings say, Baldwin pulled the trigger of the firearm, fatally wounding Hutchins and wounding director Souza.
Halls was unaware live rounds were inside the firearm he grabbed and handed to Baldwin, a detective wrote in an application for the search warrant, the AP reported.

[Thread]

Whats the view like from the perspective of your head up Trump's ass?
And what can you add to Stormy's story of Donald's giant Mushroom cap penis with almost no stem? Taste and texture?
And yes, its your religion.

LMCONTROLLINAO!!!

[pgardn]

LMCONTROLLINAO!!!

Trump is your god and religion.
He is in LMCONTROLLINAO... LimitedMentalCondition?

[Texas_Ranger]

https://twitter.com/FDSheckler/status/1451863147401338882?fbclid=IwAR0oZU8VowHnj8mZ3HCUf OCVTIV1jBqKabQgVx6QFBbFuAeddogIPa5G5mc

[Thread]

:lol

If it were Trump, you'd be like "give him a chance to prove himself y'all don't know anything yet"

But it ain't.

[MultiTroll]

Have not vetted:

Eyeelan Boy Mitthanns (Mittens) (@JUSTcatmeme2) / Twitter (https://twitter.com/lovli_pbj/status/1452269760486547467/photo/1)

[Xevious]

Not sure if true, but I heard on the radio that some of the crew members were using the gun in question for target practice since they were out in the desert, then nobody checked to see if it was clear afterwards. In other words, zero safety being exercised.

[SpursforSix]

Not sure if true, but I heard on the radio that some of the crew members were using the gun in question for target practice since they were out in the desert, then nobody checked to see if it was clear afterwards. In other words, zero safety being exercised.

It's really unfathomable that they wouldn't check the gun before every single incident of using it on set.

[MultiTroll]

It's really unfathomable that they wouldn't check the gun before every single incident of using it on set.
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[Xevious]

It's really unfathomable that they wouldn't check the gun before every single incident of using it on set.
It's just basic gun safety. You check/clear it every time it's handled unless you're at the range pointing in a safe direction.

It's like these fucking idiots that shoot a hole in their wall while trying to field strip their Glock to clean it.

[SpursforSix]

It's just basic gun safety. You check/clear it every time it's handled unless you're at the range pointing in a safe direction.

It's like these fucking idiots that shoot a hole in their wall while trying to field strip their Glock to clean it.

For sure but a lot of those people are just like you said...idiots. This is on a movie set where there should be even more protections. Really...Baldwin should have checked it himself.

[Blake]

Not sure if true, but I heard on the radio that some of the crew members were using the gun in question for target practice since they were out in the desert, then nobody checked to see if it was clear afterwards. In other words, zero safety being exercised.

Somebody on the set somewhere has to be getting manslaughter charges. Just got to sort it out

[Blake]

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So Baldwin was in on the hit?

[Blake]

For sure but a lot of those people are just like you said...idiots. This is on a movie set where there should be even more protections. Really...Baldwin should have checked it himself.

Ehh I can't put any realistic expectations on actors to check prop guns for live ammo.

[Xevious]

Ehh I can't put any realistic expectations on actors to check prop guns for live ammo.
Surely there are people being paid on set to verify gun safety at all times.

[MultiTroll]

So Baldwin was in on the hit?
No idea.
You saw the same Tweet article i did.

This also unverified but has been floated: Hubby had 5 million life insurance policy on her.
Hey, maybe they decided on that together. It's pure hearsay at this point.

I seriously wish a modern day Perry Mason could take over the case.

[SpursforSix]

Ehh I can't put any realistic expectations on actors to check prop guns for live ammo.


Surely there are people being paid on set to verify gun safety at all times.

Sure. But even so, we're literally talking about a life or death situation. And in the real world, it's definitely Gun Basics 101. If someone tells you it's not loaded, you still check for yourself. Especially if you're going to point it and pull the trigger.
It would have taken a few seconds.

[Thread]

I thought after Lee died life ammo was forbidden on movie sets by federal law?

Nope. This woman is dead proof.

[Leetonidas]

No idea.
You saw the same Tweet article i did.

This also unverified but has been floated: Hubby had 5 million life insurance policy on her.
Hey, maybe they decided on that together. It's pure hearsay at this point.

I seriously wish a modern day Perry Mason could take over the case.

Everyone always wants there to be some conspiracy behind everything :lol shit was just an unfortunate accident tbh

[koriwhat]

https://twitter.com/FDSheckler/status/1451863147401338882?fbclid=IwAR0oZU8VowHnj8mZ3HCUf OCVTIV1jBqKabQgVx6QFBbFuAeddogIPa5G5mc

:vomit:

[MultiTroll]

Everyone always wants there to be some conspiracy behind everything :lol shit was just an unfortunate accident tbh

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KAmkMhFdQ00/WcL4-QOcv3I/AAAAAAAEUM8/AEcuB5a9PtIna_7yzJxpRPrll6GXM8B1ACLcBGAs/s1600/RaymondBurrAsPerryMason.jpg
Was it?

[LaMarcus Bryant]

:vomit:

I'd smash

[pgardn]

https://twitter.com/FDSheckler/status/1451863147401338882?fbclid=IwAR0oZU8VowHnj8mZ3HCUf OCVTIV1jBqKabQgVx6QFBbFuAeddogIPa5G5mc

Its obvious she cant be an expert from the picture.
That bird tat...

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/xhgsj88/IMG-5011.jpg

[koriwhat]

I'd smash

Fat wannabe e-girls aren't my thing but go for it bro! Little Ms. Piggy would love to be stuffed I bet.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Fat wannabe e-girls aren't my thing but go for it bro! Little Ms. Piggy would love to be stuffed I bet.
Would you blast Sinemas titties don't lie

[koriwhat]

Would you blast Sinemas titties don't lie

She ain't cute and I'm not much for white women but... :lmao

[Millennial_Messiah]

Would you blast Sinemas titties don't lie

I would creampie her without a condom, just get those glasses off, that shit isn't hot

[ElNono]

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When did derp hijack Fabbs' account?

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I would creampie her without a condom, just get those glasses off, that shit isn't hot

:tu she def looks like she could take a massive load

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol Baldwin says THE GUN did it!

In an interview with ABC News, set to air Thursday, Baldwin appeared baffled at how the shooting happened.

"Well the trigger wasn't pulled, I didn't pull the trigger," he said in a clip released Wednesday by ABC News. "No, no, no, I would never point a gun at anyone and pull the trigger at them. Never."

[Millennial_Messiah]

Punishable by a fourth degree murder charge and 4 years in a New Mexico state penitentiary. I hope to earnest that this douchebag serves every millisecond of it.

[MultiTroll]

:lol Baldwin says THE GUN did it!

In an interview with ABC News, set to air Thursday, Baldwin appeared baffled at how the shooting happened.

"Well the trigger wasn't pulled, I didn't pull the trigger," he said in a clip released Wednesday by ABC News. "No, no, no, I would never point a gun at anyone and pull the trigger at them. Never."
Wow.
Is it possible that in pointing the gun at her (which he did) that he really did not pull the trigger?
A misfire?
Gun experts?

[SpursforSix]

Wow.
Is it possible that in pointing the gun at her (which he did) that he really did not pull the trigger?
A misfire?
Gun experts?

I'm not an expert but another article says it was a "... long Colt 45 revolver". It's hard to imagine a revolver going off without the trigger being pulled.

[Texas_Ranger]

people dont kill people, guns kill people.

[DMC]

I'm not an expert but another article says it was a "... long Colt 45 revolver". It's hard to imagine a revolver going off without the trigger being pulled.

A single action that's already cocked (bend over etc) could discharge if the gun is old and the mechanism is worn, simply by the bump encountered by handing it off.

[SpursforSix]

A single action that's already cocked (bend over etc) could discharge if the gun is old and the mechanism is worn, simply by the bump encountered by handing it off.

Well yeah...but it'd have to be cocked. So you're saying the gun was cocked , Baldwin didn't notice (and anyone handing him the gun didn't notice) but Alec also didn't pull the trigger, and the mechanism failed just when he happened to point it at someone?

His defense seems exactly like what an attorney would advise someone to say.

[steak n eggs]

He’s a typical Hollywood narcissist and is making this about him. I understand he’s in CYA mode but why even do the interview?

[Blake]

He’s a typical Hollywood narcissist and is making this about him. I understand he’s in CYA mode but why even do the interview?

To get out in front of it

[Xevious]

Well yeah...but it'd have to be cocked. So you're saying the gun was cocked , Baldwin didn't notice (and anyone handing him the gun didn't notice) but Alec also didn't pull the trigger, and the mechanism failed just when he happened to point it at someone?

His defense seems exactly like what an attorney would advise someone to say.
Those old Colt single actions (and their newer clones) actually can be fired without them being cocked or the trigger being pulled. At rest, the firing pin is in contact with the primer of one of the cartridges if fully loaded. These guns were not drop safe, a light bump on the back of the hammer can make them go off. That's why it's always best practice to load them up with 5 rounds instead of 6, with the hammer resting on an empty chamber.

I'm not saying that's what happened though.

[SpursforSix]

Those old Colt single actions (and their newer clones) actually can be fired without them being cocked or the trigger being pulled. At rest, the firing pin is in contact with the primer of one of the cartridges if fully loaded. These guns were not drop safe, a light bump on the back of the hammer can make them go off. That's why it's always best practice to load them up with 5 rounds instead of 6, with the hammer resting on an empty chamber.

I'm not saying that's what happened though.

That's interesting. Didn't know that. Not that it comes into play in this case like you said. Picking up and aiming a gun shouldn't have been enough force for the firing pin to ignite the primer.

[Cuck Ross]

In his first major interview since being involved in a fatal shooting on the set of his latest movie, Alec Baldwin made a surprising new claim about his actions that day.
Baldwin said the gun went off without him ever actually pulling its trigger.
“Well, the trigger wasn’t pulled,” he told ABC News (https://youtu.be/Eu8jODyHmlk). “I didn’t pull the trigger.”


At first glance, this sounds far-fetched. It is exceedingly rare for a gun to fire without the trigger being depressed. Modern firearms, even replicas of antique guns, have safeties specifically designed to prevent them from firing without the trigger being pulled. It only really happens when the gun’s firing mechanism is damaged, or there is a significant design flaw.
That’s why most gun owners and firearms safety trainers are highly skeptical of any claim a gun just “went off” absent user error.
In Baldwin’s case, though, the claim is at least somewhat more believable. That’s because the gun involved is more prone to firing without the trigger being pulled. And, even though it’s a modern replica of an antique design, it’s possible it did not include modern safety devices.


Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza identified the gun used in the shooting as a modern Pietta replica of a single-action army revolver. Those guns can be bought either with a transfer bar (https://youtu.be/Zd4IFyW9uVA?t=93) that makes it impossible for the firing pin to strike the primer unless the trigger is pulled or without one. Often, enthusiasts and collectors prefer the models without modern safety devices because it’s more authentic and perfectly safe when handled properly.
A single-action revolver usually requires the hammer to be manually cocked, and the trigger be pulled for a shot to be fired. That’s why it’s referred to as a single-action: because the trigger performs just one action. It drops the hammer. In a double-action revolver, on the other hand, the trigger can both cock and release the hammer.


However, a single-action revolver with the old-style firing mechanism can fire without either the hammer being cocked or the trigger being pulled. When the hammer is down on that kind of revolver, the firing pin protrudes and, if a live round is loaded in the chamber underneath, a sharp enough jolt can cause the pin to strike the round’s primer with enough force to set it off (https://youtu.be/ldHPNnsp-cs?t=155).
This is why the “cowboy load” was developed. When carrying an old-style single-action revolver, it’s best practice to leave the chamber underneath the hammer unloaded. That way, a jolt can’t unintentionally set off a round.
None of that means Baldwin’s story is entirely accurate. It’s not clear if drawing a gun from a holster in this state would be enough to set it off. It still seems more plausible Baldwin pulled the trigger. But, the gun firing without the trigger being pulled is not as far-fetched as it sounds at first.


Police should be able to determine what kind of firing mechanism the gun in question has and whether it could have fired in the way Baldwin described. However, even if the gun did go off without the trigger being pulled, it doesn’t negate the other negligence that contributed to the deadly shooting.


There is a reason the basic gun safety rules are redundant. You’re never supposed to put your finger on the trigger until you’re ready to fire. You’re never supposed to assume a gun is unloaded. You’re never supposed to point a gun at anything you don’t want to shoot.


Had they all been followed, it is unlikely this shooting would have turned deadly. But, as the numerous prior negligent discharges on set (https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set) and Baldwin’s other comments reveal, basic safety rules were not followed.
“I would never point a gun at anyone and pull the trigger at them,” Baldwin said.

That sentence went on six words too long. Even on a movie set, you shouldn’t be pointing a gun at anyone. Most sets have protocols in place to avoid scenarios like that. Most also have protocols to ensure a gun is never loaded with any round it isn’t supposed to be. And most would never allow live ammunition on set while filming.

There was a string of negligent acts that led to the death of a colleague, wife, and mother. Even if Baldwin never pulled the trigger, a cascade of avoidable mistakes was necessary for this tragedy to unfold. There remains plenty of blame to go around.

UPDATE 12-2-2021 9:33 PM: Alec Baldwin offered further details on how the deadly shooting occurred in the full ABC News interview. Baldwin claims he acted at the direction of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins when he accidentally shot and killed her.

“I cock the gun. I go, ‘Can you see that? Can you see that? Can you see that?’” Baldwin told ABC (https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-responsible/story?id=81490389&cid=social_twitter_abcn). “And then I let go of the hammer of the gun, and the gun goes off. I let go of the hammer of the gun, the gun goes off.”
This version of events is even more difficult to square with the idea that Baldwin never pulled the trigger.

When the hammer is pulled back on a single-action revolver a series of sears on engaged which prevent it from moving back towards the chamber without the trigger being depressed. There are scenarios where the gun might be able to fire after the hammer is pulled back but without the trigger being pulled. However, they’re even more unlikely than a misfire with the hammer all the way down.

The first is that Baldwin managed to pull the hammer back far enough that releasing created a strong enough strike against the primer to set it off, but not far enough to engage the sear at quarter or half cock. That is, frankly, implausible.
The next possibility is a physical defect with the gun. The sears could have been so worn out they don’t catch the hammer as Baldwin manipulates it. But, that’s not likely either since it would be clear to anyone who handled the gun that it was broken.

What seems far more likely is Baldwin kept the trigger depressed as he pulled the hammer back. Then, when he released the hammer, the trigger kept the sears out of the way, and the gun fired. Perhaps Baldwin is making some kind of semantic argument about pulling a trigger rather than keeping it depressed while cocking the hammer, but that’s a distinction without a difference.

The most likely scenario remains that Baldwin had his finger on the trigger when the gun fired. His full comments make that even more likely.







https://thereload.com/analysis-yes-alec-baldwins-gun-could-have-fired-without-him-pulling-the-trigger/

[MultiTroll]

^ seems to be a lot of stereotyping and bullyling of the chubby gun girl.

Her atty released a time frame and some possiblities that seem far more reasonable and believable then Baldwin and his defense liarwyer are spinning.
Sure sounds possible that someone with ill intent planted the live rounds between 11 am and 1.

[MultiTroll]

Merely floating this as a possibility.
Baldwin or Dave Halls got rebuffed in advances towards Halyna.

[DMC]

Well yeah...but it'd have to be cocked. So you're saying the gun was cocked , Baldwin didn't notice (and anyone handing him the gun didn't notice) but Alec also didn't pull the trigger, and the mechanism failed just when he happened to point it at someone?

His defense seems exactly like what an attorney would advise someone to say.

I'm saying it could have been.

[DMC]

He’s a typical Hollywood narcissist and is making this about him. I understand he’s in CYA mode but why even do the interview?

Doing the interview was a career move, not a legal one. He wanted to win back some of his audience and he will. It might cost him in court but I highly doubt it.

[koriwhat]

LMAO I can't wait until AB goes to "pound you in the ass" prison. Let's hope it comes to this because he's no Kenosha Kid tbh; he's a raging lunatic like most retarded "progressives".

[Chucho]

LMAO I can't wait until AB goes to "pound you in the ass" prison. Let's hope it comes to this because he's no Kenosha Kid tbh; he's a raging lunatic like most retarded "progressives".

LOL, you know damn well he's not going to prison. It took 200 women to come out against Bill Cosby. R. Kelly was allowed to rape and live Fabb's dreams of consequence-free pedophilia for almost 25 years after it was known he was bagging 15 year olds on the regular. OJ cut off his wife's head and some innocent waiter and despite all the physical evidence, he had enough clout and cash to beat the rap. Vince Neil killed a person and did 30 days in the can.

This is Murica. Rich people can go to jail, but rich and famous people don't.

[koriwhat]

LOL, you know damn well he's not going to prison. It took 200 women to come out against Bill Cosby. R. Kelly was allowed to rape and live Fabb's dreams of consequence-free pedophilia for almost 25 years after it was known he was bagging 15 year olds on the regular. OJ cut off his wife's head and some innocent waiter and despite all the physical evidence, he had enough clout and cash to beat the rap. Vince Neil killed a person and did 30 days in the can.

This is Murica. Rich people can go to jail, but rich and famous people don't.

That's probably the case even with AB but none of those mentioned did an incriminating interview right after their debacle and worse as the days have gone on.

Hey at least Smollet will get all the dick he ever wanted behind bars. Now let's hope the same goes for Baldwin.

[Blake]

Lol at koriwhat calling anyone else a "raging lunatic"

[DMC]

If there was criminal negligence, it probably won't settle on Alec other than him being the producer.

[MultiTroll]

Alec Baldwin to be charged with involuntary manslaughter in 'Rust’ film shooting (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/alec-baldwin-to-be-charged-with-involuntary-manslaughter-in-rust-film-shooting/ar-AA16uk3r?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f0c3eec76333441291c0e606d13c3ee3)

So, with his multi millions to hire defense liarwyers....get ready for a 5 year dog n pony show?

[spurraider21]

charges dropped

[koriwhat]

Hopefully, since they're going to start "production" again and not "shooting", someone loads a "prop" gun with some real lead and blasts that puto AB away for good!

[Ef-man]

Also per CNN: “As part of a wrongful death settlement between Matthew Hutchins, the widower of Halyna Hutchins, Baldwin and “Rust” producers, production on the film has resumed. Matthew Hutchins is now serving as an executive producer on the project.“

[spurraider21]

Hopefully, since they're going to start "production" again and not "shooting", someone loads a "prop" gun with some real lead and blasts that puto AB away for good!
angry and unstable poster wishes death on somebody he doesnt know because he made fun of trump

[koriwhat]

angry and unstable poster wishes death on somebody he doesnt know because he made fun of trump

Still crying you fucking pussy? Boohoo

Btw, AB making fun of Trump has nothing to do with the disdain I have for elitest Hollyweird types. Your TDS is so out of this world that's all you see. You also think men can be women so taking your word on anything is asinine.

[Trainwreck2100]

Also per CNN: “As part of a wrongful death settlement between Matthew Hutchins, the widower of Halyna Hutchins, Baldwin and “Rust” producers, production on the film has resumed. Matthew Hutchins is now serving as an executive producer on the project.“

wtf they're still making the movie? It's gonna bomb hard thanks to crap press

[SpursforSix]

I get both sides and I've only got a couple of guns somewhere in the house. But when someone hands you a gun, you need to check that yourself.
That being said, I don't how big a difference between a blank and a live round looks. I think it's probably obvious. And he'd have to pull the rounds out to take a one minute look.
Which he should have done. IMO.

[SpursforSix]

wtf they're still making the movie? It's gonna bomb hard thanks to crap press

Everyone will see this now.

[koriwhat]

wtf they're still making the movie? It's gonna bomb hard thanks to crap press

Let's be real, it was going to bomb no matter what. AB is a has been and a B-rated star at best. Who the fuck wants to pay to see a B-rated movie exactly? I could watch plenty of those bs movies on Crackle if I wanted to but I don't. :lol

[koriwhat]

I get both sides and I've only got a couple of guns somewhere in the house. But when someone hands you a gun, you need to check that yourself.
That being said, I don't how big a difference between a blank and a live round looks. I think it's probably obvious. And he'd have to pull the rounds out to take a one minute look.
Which he should have done. IMO.

Bro he had more live ammo on him too. Heard about that?

[SpursforSix]

Bro he had more live ammo on him too. Heard about that?

No. That's weird if true. Why did he have more ammo?

[SpursforSix]

Just pointing an gun and pulling the trigger at someone during a movie shoot seems like it'd be pretty stressful.

[koriwhat]

No. That's weird if true. Why did he have more ammo?

Who knows but it was on his person. The arms handler also claims to have checked the gun prior to handing it over to AB. So many oddities in this situation.

[SpursforSix]

I guess it's civil charge / settlement time.

[koriwhat]

Just pointing an gun and pulling the trigger at someone during a movie shoot seems like it'd be pretty stressful.

Ask yourself this, why would a staunch gun control guy even be anywhere near a gun and not a real prop without moving parts? Makes no sense. He doesn't practice watch he preaches and on top of that he ridicules upstanding citizens who are knowledgable about their own guns but he's the one that shot and killed a lady. It's always dipshits like him who do shit like this and get off with a slap on the wrist.

[SpursforSix]

Ask yourself this, why would a staunch gun control guy even be anywhere near a gun and not a real prop without moving parts? Makes no sense. He doesn't practice watch he preaches and on top of that he ridicules upstanding citizens who are knowledgable about their own guns but he's the one that shot and killed a lady. It's always dipshits like him who do shit like this and get off with a slap on the wrist.

IDK man...that a lot of stuff to unpack. I'm just saying...if you wanted to ensure the safest environment possible: 1) he should have been trained...which I think he has been given all his movies, and 2) he should have just checked for himself.

[SpursforSix]

I suppose the best thing would be to hire a group that is in charge of all the guns. They take them up every day and inspect each one and provide the blanks. And they keep track of every gun and bullet on the set. I doubt it would affect the profitability of a movie. If it did, it's probably a pretty marginal movie.

[spurraider21]

Still crying you fucking pussy? Boohoo

Btw, AB making fun of Trump has nothing to do with the disdain I have for elitest Hollyweird types. Your TDS is so out of this world that's all you see. You also think men can be women so taking your word on anything is asinine.
first time you ever mentioned baldwin on spurstalk was after he started appearing on SNL :lol

[koriwhat]

first time you ever mentioned baldwin on spurstalk was after he started appearing on SNL :lol

Bro I'm tired of you. I'm so tired of bitch males like you SR. Go be an extra on Rust already!

[spurraider21]

Bro I'm tired of you. I'm so tired of bitch males like you SR. Go be an extra on Rust already!
if i was always full of shit id be pissed if somebody kept pointing it out too

[koriwhat]

if i was always full of shit id be pissed if somebody kept pointing it out too

You are full of shit and that's why you're pissed I always point it out to you. :tu

[MultiTroll]

I suppose the best thing would be to hire a group that is in charge of all the guns. They take them up every day and inspect each one and provide the blanks. And they keep track of every gun and bullet on the set. I doubt it would affect the profitability of a movie. If it did, it's probably a pretty marginal movie.
Exactly what was supposed to have happened.

[Blake]

wtf they're still making the movie? It's gonna bomb hard thanks to crap press

Bad pub better than no pub. I think the movie does better than it would have if nothing had happened

[Blake]

You are full of shit and that's why you're pissed I always point it out to you. :tu

You're wishing death on him but he's the one that's pissed. Oh ok.

[koriwhat]

You're wishing death on him but he's the one that's pissed. Oh ok.

You crying like you cried when your ol' lady told you she wasn't interested in your barbie pouch no longer? :lol

[Blake]

You crying like you cried when your ol' lady told you she wasn't interested in your barbie pouch no longer? :lol

Lol I don't even know what a Barbie pouch is. Settle down and stop getting your ass hurt so easy.

[koriwhat]

Lol I don't even know what a Barbie pouch is. Settle down and stop getting your ass hurt so easy.

Boohoo you fucking puto! Just go fuck yourself already you little bitch and leave me be already or I'm just going to continue to call you out for the little pathetic "man" that you are you fucking loser.

[DMX7]

Charges dropped as I expected they would be.

[MultiTroll]

I guess it's civil charge / settlement time. paid for by his insurance so in the end all he's out is some time?

[MultiTroll]

Charges dropped as I expected they would be.
So who done it?