Game Thread: Spurs vs Bucks — Oct. 23, 2021 - 7:30pm CT

[slick'81]

Tie game

[Chomag]

At least Dougy can hit the 3's!!!

[HankChinaski]

For 3 periods Spurs have done a decent job frustrating Giannis. If we can get the 3 ball to drop in a consistent rate here in the last period of regulation we can take this game.

[slick'81]

Hakeem poodle

[HankChinaski]

back to back 3s by Dougie McD!!!!

[slick'81]

Shut up jrue

[slick'81]

Lets go dwhite

[slick'81]

Sours down 6

[Chomag]

Fuck these refs!

[Rito3d30]

this is fun to watch as long as Forbes's not playing

[slick'81]

Poodle with the swat away on giannis

[rastaspur]

That's twice d white fouled a 3 point shooter. Hes gotta work on that. Geez

[slick'81]

Call the foul refs

[Chomag]

Good lord White got mugged!!!!

[slick'81]

Spurs running out of gas

[Robz4000]

Spurs get no respect from the refs, per par.

[spurraider21]

has the clear path rule actually deterred fastbreak fouls at all?

[daslicer]

I really hate the clear path foul. I would like to see the league get rid of it.

[spurraider21]

it was the right call by rule. but its frustrating having another review go against us after the shaky flagrant call

[rastaspur]

What's it take to get a foul? Decapitation? white got clotheslined.

[slick'81]

Spurs down 10

[lefty20]

Flagrant foul, 3pt shooting fouls, clear path foul... we're going full Plaxico Burress, tbh.

[spurraider21]

I really hate the clear path foul. I would like to see the league get rid of it.
i get why they implemented it but it hasnt fulfilled its purpose at all. failed rule

[slick'81]

Bs fouls on our floor

[slick'81]

Ewwbanks sucks

[spurraider21]

holiday schooling dejounte tbh

[slick'81]

You cant stop keldon

[poopbox]

Eubanks is like the center version of Forbes. Unless he is being spoon fed wide open dunks he is doing nothing but getting in the way. Collins can't get healthy fast enough cause aint no way he can be worse than drew

[slick'81]

Finally

[heyheymymy]

Lol bucks already in the bonus on an away court

[slick'81]

I need a treble doubles shirt asap

[emanueldavidginobili]

holiday schooling dejounte tbh
Jrue is a damn good basketball player, I agree

[itzsoweezee]

Bouknight also got benched by Hornets

By a pop acolyte

[Dancelot]

16-5 free throws. On our floor. I guess we gotta get used to being a middling team.

[slick'81]

Sours down 7,its now or never guys

[Rito3d30]

btw where is Bill though

[rastaspur]

I demand a dna test on derrick white. He might be ginobilis son. Hes a charge machine like g-nob

[slick'81]

Bucks just toying with us

[spurraider21]

guys are playing hard, scrapping. but the 3 point shooting has killed us

[Degoat]

I know were only 3 games in but its gonna really discourage the youngins on the team if they play really hard every game and it doesn't result in any wins

[slick'81]

Thats a charge bruh

[slick'81]

Keldon big body fckers

[heyheymymy]

ESPN has a narrative to feed

[Chomag]

Big Body plays a mans game!

[spurraider21]

its hard not to love Keldon

[slick'81]

Down to 6

[Chomag]

Missing all our 3s yet still only down 7

[emanueldavidginobili]

We have Doug, Bryn shouldn't play a fucking second.

[Chomag]

Keep fighting fellas!!!

[slick'81]

We have Primo,Bryn shouldn't play a fucking second.

[heyheymymy]

Career high 7 3PM for McDMT

[spurraider21]

aside from McDermott we are 3-25 from 3

[rastaspur]

Mcbuckets earning that salary. You love to see it.

[Chinook]

We have more than four healthy players. Bryn shouldn't play a fucking second.

[james evans]

I still can’t believe you guys want to throw away Walker for Forbes lol. Wtf.

[Chomag]

We have Doug, Bryn shouldn't play a fucking second.Doug is everything Bryn is not!

[Ocotillo]

What happened to Tre? Why did Forbes get back in but not Tre?

[slick'81]

I still can’t believe you guys want to throw away Walker for Forbes lol. Wtf.

Wtf said that shit

[spurraider21]

bucks are 13-31 from 3 (42%) while spurs are 10-36 (28%)... despite having 7-11 from mcbuckets

[slick'81]

4

[MultiTroll]

aside from McDermott we are 3-25 from 3
Reason we can't play Primo instead of Forbes is ____?

Also Primo for Lonnie when Lonnie is sucking.

[rastaspur]

Wtf said that shit

Narrator:

No one ever said that and if they did they're a gump.

[slick'81]

Bucks up 7

[tbdog]

There has been so many small calls going against the Spurs.

[Chomag]

Refs aren't going to call 1 single foul are they....

[Leetonidas]

So many stupid mistakes

[TimDunkem]

Sean is always bitching about the refs. It's gotten really old, tbh.

[spurraider21]

doubling off connaughton literally 3 feet away from giannis was a bad move. double has to come from the weakside.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Regardless of this outcome this team has competed with two of the top five times in the NBA through 4 quarters despite shit 3 point shooting

[HankChinaski]

How they miss call with Poeltl being held. BS.

[slick'81]

Sean is always bitching about the refs. It's gotten really old, tbh.

Hes a true homer. Always has been. Ill allow it,tbh

[james evans]

Are the new Wilson balls too slick? So many dropped passes and mishandles tonight.

[slick'81]

Game

[poopbox]

This is what happens when you don't have a clear cut "Star" player on your team...you get hosed on pretty much all the late game calls

[spurraider21]

we keep doubling off connaughton when he is the closest guy to giannis, and therefore the easiest pass

[SAGirl]

Spurs wasting a huge game from MCBUCKETTS

[james evans]

Wtf said that shit
I’ll find it.

[slick'81]

Champs getting all the calls per par

Great effort tonight by sa

[Chomag]

Umm what foul?

[Robz4000]

Another fun game regardless of the outcome :tu

[Uriel]

The great thing about this team is they don't quit. They fight hard and they compete. The problem is they lack elite level talent.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Back to back games forcing 20 turnovers. This team will be alright.

[james evans]

This is what happens when you don't have a clear cut "Star" player on your team...you get hosed on pretty much all the late game calls
We weren’t gonna win this game but I like what I’m seeing from our YOUNG team. As I said days ago, the west will be ours in 4 seasons

[slick'81]

Buck's never really seemed threatened in this one,tbh

[daslicer]

Spurs can't compete with the elite teams. At best the Spurs can make it close for most of the game and end up losing in the final few minutes. With that being said great effort by the Spurs. I just hope this team can keep playing hard and not get demoralize by these losses and just mail it in.

[slick'81]

Thaddeus carrol is doa here isnt he

[spurraider21]

The great thing about this team is they don't quit. They fight hard and they compete. The problem is they lack elite level talent.
really we just lack outside shooting. we've been getting a lot of high quality looks.

some forced attempts, maybe. but 10-38 is the killer. not only do we leave points off the board, but long rebounds make for easier possessions for the bucks

[Leetonidas]

That sequence with the Holiday 3, Middleton 4 point play, and clear path foul plus another made 3 really fucked us

[slick'81]

Silver linings/moral victory and all that bs

[rastaspur]

The team is rough around the edges. Execution leaves alot to be desired. I hate to keep beating a dead horse but kudos to these young guys scrappiness, tenacity and heart.

[slick'81]

Lonnie looking depressed af on the bench

[spurraider21]

Silver linings/moral victory and all that bs
the o/u for this team was 28.5 :lol

[daslicer]

Silver linings/moral victory and all that bs

I don't think anybody believes in moral victories in here. I don't see any of that in this thread. We all acknowledge the reality which is the Spurs are just not good enough to hang with title contenders.

[slick'81]

We obviously didn't expect much for the sours this year. Anything positive is gravy af

[emanueldavidginobili]

KBD has to get some run I think he can make some plays, also this team needs three point shooting Primo is just riding the bench. The Spurs have NOTHING to lose and this kid can't get minutes

[slick'81]

I want more primo

[emanueldavidginobili]

Like ive been saying Primo will get points on the board if its 30 minutes or 30 seconds, find this kid minutes!!

[Uriel]

Primo :tu

[Chomag]

Its out right criminal that Primo gets benched behind Forbes

[spurraider21]

pop is treating primo like he's boban or something

puts him in there just to throw the crowd a bone. not as a serious basketball player

[Uriel]

Pop obviously still loves George Hill. But apparently not as much as he loves Forbes.

[RC_Drunkford]

Primo did more in 40 seconds than Forbes in 3 games. Defended Middleton well and then flys in for the tip in. When will Flopovich realize this kid needs minutes?

[Mugen]

As #TeamTank, I'm loving these entertaining losses tbh :lol

[rastaspur]

Nice tip by primo.

[SpurPadre]

Another valiant effort. Probably will be the theme of the year for this team. I think there's a realistic chance Primo will get some run by the midpoint of the season.

[slick'81]

Primo did more in 40 seconds than Forbes in 3 games. Defended Middleton well and then flys in for the tip in. When will Flopovich realize this kid needs minutes?

Gotta spend the year learning from bryn. Vassel got similar treatment last year

[Chomag]

I know we lack talent and we are going to lose allot of games but they are so still fun to watch and cheer for

[rastaspur]

As #TeamTank, I'm loving these entertaining losses tbh :lol

I'm in the starting lineup with you. If the best case pipedream is a first round exit let's give the young guys experience and look for a home run in the draft with a better pick.

[slick'81]

Sean literally doesnt age

[RC_Drunkford]

Losing against Denver and Milwaukee is to be expected. I‘m more curious if we can beat the Grizzlies, Mavs, T-Wolves and Blazers

[murpjf88]

Silver linings/moral victory and all that bs
Moral victories only exist in the weak minded.

[slick'81]

This team is too young and stupid to quit,and thats a good thing

[Chomag]

Gotta spend the year learning from bryn. Vassel got similar treatment last year
Learning how to be trash?

[HankChinaski]

Well, Defense was good, not great.
- Poeltl was good throughout
- MCDermott came back strong after a off night last night.
- White looked good.
- Keldon midrange game and his body control driving into the lane is continuing to impress.
- Lonnie had his moments and put up a better performance.
- Murray seems to shy away from his mid range jumper when it feels like it is the only thing he is hitting consistently.
- Forbes just drags the team down with his antics and if he can't drop quick easy buckets in under 2 mins give him the yank and let him sit and the end of the bench.

Not going to think to much else about tonight. Spurs was scrappy but let this one slip away in the closing minutes.

[TimDunkem]

Agreed on this one. Not high on the HEB Primo Pick, but he can't be worse than Bryn Forbes. Other than being Pop's charity case, there's no reason for Forbes to be on this team . Once again, this roster has too many redundant players.

[slick'81]

Moral victories only exist in the weak minded.

Anyone who hs ever played sports
Knows they don't exist. Losing is never fun nor an option,tbh

[slick'81]

Learning how to be trash?

Trust the process

[emanueldavidginobili]

What is the absolute down fall of playing a 28 year old Bryn Forbes over Primo? It's not even fucking logical. This team isn't a championship team there is literally nothing to lose.

[murpjf88]

I know we lack talent and we are going to lose allot of games but they are so still fun to watch and cheer for
Now I know how the Sacramento Kings fans felt for the last 10 or so years.

[slick'81]

Primo is too good to ride the bench all season,right guys?

[Chomag]

If Primo sits much longer its going to give him allot of time to think... Like Think about what other teams he wants to play for when his rookie contract ends

[Dejounte]

Story of the game is DJ’s usual easy layups near the rim were shut down by Giannis. Giannis’ interior defense tonight was elite. Other than that, Vassell needs to give more with his minutes. Forbes was a joke. Poeltl was everywhere in this game. He’s becoming reliable on offense.

[murpjf88]

This team lacks a closer. They'll be in most games through three quarters and fizzle out in the 4th.

[Biggems]

so why was the FT differential 22 to 6? I missed the game.

[Mugen]

It's such a simple, cliche observation but we saw the difference in b2b games....

The other team had a Jokic and a Giannis and the Spurs don't. Hell, the other team has a Middleton who is significantly better than anyone on the Spurs roster...

Play hard and good team ball all you want, it's just a hell of a lot easier to have the best guy on the court.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Bryn best attribute is shooting and I don't even think he's better than Primo at that. There is not a SINGLE thing Forbes does better than Primo.

[spurraider21]

Story of the game is DJ’s usual easy layups near the rim were shut down by Giannis. Giannis’ interior defense tonight was elite. Other than that, Vassell needs to give more with his minutes. Forbes was a joke. Poeltl was everywhere in this game. He’s becoming reliable on offense.
i dno man. story of the game was our bench completely shitting the bed from 3. i expect KJ and Murray to not be high% guys... but Vassell? Walker? even technically Forbes?

outside of mcdermott our team shot 3-28 from deep, and plenty of those were high quality looks. we make just 3 more of those, still would be a lousy percentage, but we probably win the game

[slick'81]

Bryn best attribute is shooting and I don't even think he's better than Primo at that. There is not a SINGLE thing Forbes does better than Primo.

Kiss pops ass?!

[spurraider21]

Bryn best attribute is shooting and I don't even think he's better than Primo at that. There is not a SINGLE thing Forbes does better than Primo.
culture

[SAGirl]

Another valiant effort. Probably will be the theme of the year for this team. I think there's a realistic chance Primo will get some run by the midpoint of the season.
He should be get that least 10 minutes every game with chances for more if he’s playing well and or has a hot hand. This team needs talent. Spurs have a lottery pick and have him benched behind Forbes.just doesn’t make sense.

[onechance87]

Forbes is bad....But our starting point guard is shooting under 10 percent from the 3 point line in 3 games....Thats unacceptable...Hes gonna be a big reason why we lose alot of games unless he picks it up

[Mugen]

i dno man. story of the game was our bench completely shitting the bed from 3. i expect KJ and Murray to not be high% guys... but Vassell? Walker? even technically Forbes?

outside of mcdermott our team shot 3-28 from deep, and plenty of those were high quality looks. we make just 3 more of those, still would be a lousy percentage, but we probably win the game

That's been the story for the last 3 years tbh....difference is when B-Wrong and the old man try to add 3pt shooting they have to make sure the guy is literally unplayable on the other end :lol

[Chomag]

If Primo doesn't start getting some burn I might be convinced that he revealed to Pop that he doesn't support Biden.

[slick'81]

That's been the story for the last 3 years tbh....difference is when B-Wrong and the old man try to add 3pt shooting they have to make sure the guy is literally unplayable on the other end :lol

Theres hope for vassel,primo&white

[slick'81]

If Primo doesn't start getting some burn I might be convinced that he revealed to Pop that he doesn't support Biden.

He told pop biden be hiden

[emanueldavidginobili]

Forbes through 3 games 30 minutes 1-10 3 points.... Primo 2 games 5 minutes 2-2 5 points LMAO

[james evans]

Wtf said that shit


here is a quote from yesterday


I mean it's not like Vassel and Walker were good tonight. We might have actually played a bit more under control with Forbes.

[james evans]

If Primo doesn't start getting some burn I might be convinced that he revealed to Pop that he doesn't support Biden.
And yall keep talking about getting a top 3 pick.. For what??? So he can sit on the bench and cheer forbes on? Why would you draft a lottery pick and NOT PLAY HIM???

[itzsoweezee]

What’s going to happen first — Primo plays a G league game or he beats Forbes off the bench?

G league season hasn’t started yet, right? I’m expecting Primo’s going to be stuck in Austin while Forbes continues to stink it up

[Dejounte]

i dno man. story of the game was our bench completely shitting the bed from 3. i expect KJ and Murray to not be high% guys... but Vassell? Walker? even technically Forbes?

outside of mcdermott our team shot 3-28 from deep, and plenty of those were high quality looks. we make just 3 more of those, still would be a lousy percentage, but we probably win the game

I agree those guys aren’t earning their paychecks right now… I expect it less from Lonnie, seems like his true niche is being the “engine” off the bench. He’s natural with with the ball as opposed to being a catch and shoot guard. Not sure if his talent will be enough to be efficient at pull up 3’s either. You have to get 3 point shooting from your bench… for some reason, Vassell isn’t getting those shots and sadly, Forbes isn’t either. The bench unit needs to move the ball more and maybe generate better looks. I don’t see as many players touching the ball as I do with the starting unit. Seems they pass once and then they take a shot. Perhaps this is the reason those guys don’t have any rhythm. I do agree the coaching decision to play Forbes over Primo would solve some issues, but that’s ad nauseam. It is what it is and it’s shitty.

[james evans]

He should be get that least 10 minutes every game with chances for more if he’s playing well and or has a hot hand. This team needs talent. Spurs have a lottery pick and have him benched behind Forbes.just doesn’t make sense.
I told everyone last year before the season was over what would happen. Popovich has seriously lost his fucking mind. I seriously believe he doesn't remember Primo is on the team.

[slick'81]

here is a quote from yesterday

Ouch

[tbdog]

The white Murray backcourt is just not going to work. Spurs really need to target sabonis or simmons.

[slick'81]

The white Murray backcourt is just not going to work. Spurs really need to target sabonis or simmons.

Yea keep hoping sours make that deal lol

[tim_duncan_fan]

The unwillingness to attack on offense is going to keep losing games. They won't even try to penetrate 90% of the time.

Nothing to be done but hope Primo is an aggressive player or hope we get one in the next draft.

[emanueldavidginobili]

The white Murray backcourt is just not going to work. Spurs really need to target sabonis or simmons.
What? Because they lost two tough back to back games against arguably two of the best 5 teams in the league? In which they competed for 4 quarters.

[Dejounte]

If we had this McDermott last night, that would have been an easy win.

[james evans]

The white Murray backcourt is just not going to work. Spurs really need to target sabonis or simmons.
so you want to target a guy that can't shoot at all and put him on a team that needs shooting?

[Dejounte]

The unwillingness to attack on offense is going to keep losing games. They won't even try to penetrate 90% of the time.

Nothing to be done but hope Primo is an aggressive player or hope we get one in the next draft.

What were you watching, bro? They attacked the basket plenty. Unfortunately, Giannis altered many shots at the rim tonight and made it ugly.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Majority of ya'll were saying NO WAY this team will win 30 plus games, and ya'll are in an uproar because they lost two competitive games against two of the top 5 teams in the NBA lmao.

[james evans]

Forbes is bad....But our starting point guard is shooting under 10 percent from the 3 point line in 3 games....Thats unacceptable...Hes gonna be a big reason why we lose alot of games unless he picks it up
I often wonder what Murray does in the offseason because his 3 point shoot has never been consistent.

[siraulo23]

imagine if the spurs didnt sign Forbes, maybe Primo or Tre would be getting a couple mins here and there in the rotation

[slick'81]

imagine if the spurs didnt sign Forbes, maybe Primo or Tre would be getting a couple mins here and there in the rotation

I mean bryn has literally 3 points n 3 games lulz

[emanueldavidginobili]

I often wonder what Murray does in the offseason because his 3 point shoot has never been consistent.
He has literally improved each and every season, what're you smoking? lmao.

[Scrooge McHolt]

imagine if the spurs didnt sign Forbes, maybe Primo or Tre would be getting a couple mins here and there in the rotation

But then who would pop get ripped on expensive wine with on road trips?

[TDomination]

My pointless thoughts

-back to back 20+ forced TO's is wonderful! If this current team is able to put it together to make a playoff push it will be because of this, defense.
-No quit. This team was on the verge of being blown out several times but kept fighting back until the very very end. With a young team i think this is huge.
-I dont know about anyone else but i am pumped even after back to back losses. This team is exciting to watch due to their hustle, tenacity, swarming and energy. Hopefully it translate to wins but even so i personally enjoy watching them.
-Forbes...cmon man
-Primo needs to replace the F man.

[TDomination]

Forbes through 3 games 30 minutes 1-10 3 points.... Primo 2 games 5 minutes 2-2 5 points LMAO

this is a no brainer on who should be getting the minutes...or so you would think.

[TDomination]

Primo did more in 40 seconds than Forbes in 3 games. Defended Middleton well and then flys in for the tip in. When will Flopovich realize this kid needs minutes?

yup pretty much this. Primo has showed it more than 1 time but man just seeing this in a game that was beyond over, getting 2 points that don't matter, hustling to the basket for a tip in that means nothing and yet does it anyways. dude has fire

[spurs1990]

Pop needs to clog his memory back 20 years and redo a Primo Frobes swap like he did with Parker Daniels.

Not that Forbes is in the same stratosphere of skill as Antonio Daniels

[TDomination]

As #TeamTank, I'm loving these entertaining losses tbh :lol
im definitely not on team tank but i am loving these games even though they end in losses.

[tim_duncan_fan]

What were you watching, bro? They attacked the basket plenty. Unfortunately, Giannis altered many shots at the rim tonight and made it ugly.

My gut reaction is that we didn't have enough penetration and we were just a bit slow to get shots up in general. Too much hesitation and passing up good looks.

I kept thinking "shoot the fucking ball". To me, we are too slow and plodding even when one of the defenders is taking his time to get back on defense after we rebound. They have to be quicker and more aggressive. I see timidity and a lack of natural fluidity on the offensive side of the ball. The opposing defense does not have to move enough. We missed some shots but we just flat didn't take some as well and took some late. I saw a lot of standing around and floating along the perimeter, moving the ball to the next guy hoping they try to attack instead. More aggression is needed. They are way too unsure of what to do with the ball, other than they know they want to pass to Jakob and hope he sees something. I assume this will get fixed over time, but right now we are holding teams down the best we can defensively; we have to apply more pressure offensively. Better and quicker decisions. I saw multiple times tonight where a Spur has an angle on his defender or can actually almost turn the corner on him completely but they are so hesitant that the opening closes. Thinking about 3s instead of just putting the shot up, or worse dribbling out of the open 3. Just little clock-burning stuff that Tony would have nipped in the bud a full second and a half earlier. They are thinking too slowly, in my opinion. I don't know anything really or I'd be coaching but this is how things look to me.

We are not making things hard enough on the opposing defense. I'd give Primo some of Forbes minutes and let him put some shots up, make some nifty passes.

[tbdog]

so you want to target a guy that can't shoot at all and put him on a team that needs shooting?

Because simmons is far better

[tbdog]

What? Because they lost two tough back to back games against arguably two of the best 5 teams in the league? In which they competed for 4 quarters.

The Murray and White backcourt had like two full seasons of data that it doesn't work.

[emanueldavidginobili]

The Murray and White backcourt had like two full seasons of data that it doesn't work.
So what is an a better alternative?

[MannyIsGod]

The Murray and White backcourt had like two full seasons of data that it doesn't work.
No we don't. And right now this back court is working pretty fucking well on the defensive end.

2 seasons? The fuck?

[MannyIsGod]

Spurs lost tonight because they weren't the team with Gianni's and because of the 3 point line. I think the shooting will pick up some. These first 6 games are going to be rough. Hope they steal one of the next two.

[slick'81]

Because simmons is far better

Tell us more

[tbdog]

So what is an a better alternative?

Without a trade? White benched to reduce time minutes shared, which is a bandage solution.

[tbdog]

No we don't. And right now this back court is working pretty fucking well on the defensive end.

2 seasons? The fuck?

Yes.

[MannyIsGod]

Spurs were 10-39 from 3. Take away McDermott and they were 3-28! The team doesn't have pure shooters but theyre not going to have many 3-28 nights.

That's the difference in the game tonight.

[MannyIsGod]

We don't even have one season with that backcourt.

[cjw]

This is exactly what we should all want. A competitive/fun team that ends up losing enough games down stretch because it doesn’t have the offensive horses. Figure out who the keepers are, get value for the other guys, and get a key piece in the draft.

It’s one thing to lose 50ish games and be going through the motions. This team is not doing that.

[SpurPadre]

He should be get that least 10 minutes every game with chances for more if he’s playing well and or has a hot hand. This team needs talent. Spurs have a lottery pick and have him benched behind Forbes.just doesn’t make sense.

Yeah, I wish Pop would give him the TP treatment and let him do trial by fire. But for whatever reason, that doesn't look to be in the cards, at least for the first couple of months.

[stephen jackson]

We suck

[tim_duncan_fan]

This is exactly what we should all want. A competitive/fun team that ends up losing enough games down stretch because it doesn’t have the offensive horses. Figure out who the keepers are, get value for the other guys, and get a key piece in the draft.

It’s one thing to lose 50ish games and be going through the motions. This team is not doing that.

I was A-OK with full tank-style losing until they showed the defense could be like this. Now a couple of guys should just give us the extra 10 points we need to win lolol

[slick'81]

Yes.

Fantastic

[tbdog]

We don't even have one season with that backcourt.

The backcourt started in the bubble. And it was pretty obvious to pop why, until white became a semi reliable shooter. And White plays vastly different and inferior when sharing the court with Murray.

Then the following season it still didnt work, so we blamed DDR and White's injury year. And it's been a pre season and three games, and the backcourt offensively is still questionable, despite playing alongside McDermott instead of DDR. They currently shooting 26% from three.

[Leetonidas]

Spurs shot 6 FTs lol

[BackHome]

Defense will keep us from getting blown out but if our offense is stinking we just can't maintain that defense for four quarters - It's like a football team with a great defense and a terrible offense they can keep it close but still need to put up points to win

[tim_duncan_fan]

Defense will keep us from getting blown out but if our offense is stinking we just can't maintain that defense for four quarters - It's like a football team with a great defense and a terrible offense they can keep it close but still need to put up points to win

Exactly.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Spurs shot 6 FTs lol

They aren't relentless in attacking. They think getting blocked once means never being aggressive ever again. We gotta fix that mentality.

I want the ball jammed down the opponents throat every time, regardless of the last possession and the guys mentally are not to that point yet, may never be due to their personalities.

Keldon attacked OK but his euro-step is god-tier so he didn't get hit often.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

This is exactly what we should all want. A competitive/fun team that ends up losing enough games down stretch because it doesn’t have the offensive horses. Figure out who the keepers are, get value for the other guys, and get a key piece in the draft.

It’s one thing to lose 50ish games and be going through the motions. This team is not doing that.

Yup

[slick'81]

As Long as we try hard ,and lose its all we can ask

[offset formation]

pop's rotations are pure shit.

it's malpractice not to be playing primo vassell and jones more minutes.

pop has completely lost me as a fan.

[MannyIsGod]

The backcourt started in the bubble. And it was pretty obvious to pop why, until white became a semi reliable shooter. And White plays vastly different and inferior when sharing the court with Murray.

Then the following season it still didnt work, so we blamed DDR and White's injury year. And it's been a pre season and three games, and the backcourt offensively is still questionable, despite playing alongside McDermott instead of DDR. They currently shooting 26% from three.

This is just dumb. This is the first time we've seen the backcourt get a legit shot together and we can make a decision after this season. Last season with DDR is pretty obviously not the same. The bubble is not a season. Imagine trying to construe the an isolated group of games against the better teams in the NBA as an entire NBA season.

Now, after bringing up the shooting percentage, after 3 games, why don't you bring up all the defensive stats?

If this backcourt goes the full season shooting 26% or lower from 3 I'll never post on ST again. Will you do the same if they don't?

You don't have to think that they're amazing, but the least you can do is not fill your argument with bad faith bullshit as if people here don't watch the Spurs and understand that we certainly don't have what anyone should characterize as two seasons with this backcourt.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

The Spurs actually played well, they just couldn’t hit a shot and Milwaukee was knocking down 3’s. Lots of heart from this group. Pop needs to give Bryn’s minutes to Primo, but other than that I like what I see so far.

[PhantomDashCam]

Pretty impressive showing overall. Thrilled the team has played as well as it has so far.
Shooting is bound to come around and our D is allowing us to stay competitive in the mean time.

[tbdog]

This is just dumb. This is the first time we've seen the backcourt get a legit shot together and we can make a decision after this season. Last season with DDR is pretty obviously not the same. The bubble is not a season. Imagine trying to construe the an isolated group of games against the better teams in the NBA as an entire NBA season.

Now, after bringing up the shooting percentage, after 3 games, why don't you bring up all the defensive stats?

If this backcourt goes the full season shooting 26% or lower from 3 I'll never post on ST again. Will you do the same if they don't?

You don't have to think that they're amazing, but the least you can do is not fill your argument with bad faith bullshit as if people here don't watch the Spurs and understand that we certainly don't have what anyone should characterize as two seasons with this backcourt.

Mate, they actually train together, you know, in which we don't see. And Pop just didn't play them together for reasons. The fans here were begging for the pairing. The pairing hasn't been pleasant.

Put it this way, this has to be the final season for this backcourt. If it doesn't work out this season, are you ready to pull the plug? I'm just calling it now.

[Fireball]

another solid showing … lets see if these young can keep this energy up when they continue to lose … and the losing becomes a habit

[Biggems]

The Spurs are fun as hell to watch right now, couldn't really say that the last 2 years.

They are playing team ball. They are rooting for another and seem to be ego free. There seems to be no coddling aside from Forbes, who is an end of bench guy anyway. I like the hustle, the determination, the fight, the desire. Yes, we are 1-2, but we are making our opponents work hard. BTW, the 2 losses, one in Denver (historically tough for us since the beginning) vs the reigning MVP and one vs the NBA Champion Bucks. The Bucks were insane from 3 in the 4th Q. I was listening to it on the radio as I was driving home. I swear they were draining 3 and 3 after 3. It was frustrating to listen to, but the Spurs kept fighting back and got within 4, before the Bucks seized full control with a few minutes left.

These early losses do suck, but because of the way we are playing, I believe they will be helpful down the road as learning tools on how to win vs really good teams. Just continue to bring it every night and our fortunes will definitely turn around, I believe.

GO SPURS GO

[Ocotillo]

I have to go check out twitter and see if Mrs. T. Young is popping off about the DNP-CD this morning.

[ceperez]

The team is undersized compared to the Bucks.

What's is surprising was that Poetl is one of the few players that can mount a half decent defense agains Gianis.

Spurs don't have a decent size PF player.

[emanueldavidginobili]

It's extremely encouraging playing back to back games against two of the top 5 teams in the NBA and this team has yet to pack it in. Also DJ is exerting so much energy on the defensive end its hurting his offense but I fully expect him to break out in a couple of weeks once he gets his conditioning down.

[MannyIsGod]

Mate, they actually train together, you know, in which we don't see. And Pop just didn't play them together for reasons. The fans here were begging for the pairing. The pairing hasn't been pleasant.

Put it this way, this has to be the final season for this backcourt. If it doesn't work out this season, are you ready to pull the plug? I'm just calling it now.

There's a reason you want to talk about anything but the defense.

[bluebellmaniac]

Not sure why everyone seems so down on the new guy Forbes. His shot mechanics are smooth and his shot will be a feature of this offense. Doesn't have much defense... Yet. I suggest the FO sign this guy to a 3 yr deal at $8M per, that'll give him time to add a lock-down defense tool to his repertoire. He'll be another steal for this legendary FO and scouting staff.

[John B]

Their defense is what’s keeping them in the ballgame. There’s still a lot of holes in it, likewise their offense. But I expect them to just get better. I like Poeltl playing aggressively on offense, but he needs to get stronger in the post. I think this team could be the dark horse. It’s early but I like their tenacity. The shots are just not falling, and should get better as they make better crisp passes, hard cuts. I’m intrigued… :wakeup

[John B]

Not sure why everyone seems so down on the new guy Forbes. His shot mechanics are smooth and his shot will be a feature of this offense. Doesn't have much defense... Yet. I suggest the FO sign this guy to a 3 yr deal at $8M per, that'll give him time to add a lock-down defense tool to his repertoire. He'll be another steal for this legendary FO and scouting staff.

I’m not hating on Forbes but we already know what we can expect from Forbes. He’s not getting taller or faster. I’d expect more from Joe to fill his spot as knockdown shooter next year. He’s athletic, with 42” vertical, long and who can rebound and play defense.

[XDT76]

Not sure why Pop is gives Jones 1min and 3mins (be garbage time)in the pass 2 games. Would love to see a bit more on whether he can play make a little. If he can knock down a couple of 3s it would be even better.

[Chinook]

I wish we'd've had the chance to see a White/Vassell/DeRozan starting perimeter. I always thought Derrick and DeMar shared play-making better than they did with DeJounte, and Vassell coming into his own a bit defensively couldn't make that a strong unit on that end. I still worry a lot of about Johnson defensively. I think he's clearly a PF, but he'll always struggle there. I wish one of the young players would've locked themselves in the gym and made the commitment to become a knock-down three-point shooter. They all seem to have new midrange moves, but shooting has basically been outsourced to McDermott. It makes me question pretty strongly what Pop and the staff are telling the young players to do. Not everyone needs to develop a three-level one-on-one game that stars need. It's okay to have some Danny Greens and then get them to do more once they've already gotten an elite skill.

[John B]

I wish we'd've had the chance to see a White/Vassell/DeRozan starting perimeter. I always thought Derrick and DeMar shared play-making better than they did with DeJounte, and Vassell coming into his own a bit defensively couldn't make that a strong unit on that end. I still worry a lot of about Johnson defensively. I think he's clearly a PF, but he'll always struggle there. I wish one of the young players would've locked themselves in the gym and made the commitment to become a knock-down three-point shooter. They all seem to have new midrange moves, but shooting has basically been outsourced to McDermott. It makes me question pretty strongly what Pop and the staff are telling the young players to do. Not everyone needs to develop a three-level one-on-one game that stars need. It's okay to have some Danny Greens and then get them to do more once they've already gotten an elite skill.

That’s my reservation on KJ. He’s not fast enough at SF and not really a knockdown 3pt shooter, and he’s too short at PF where Poeltl is always expected to scramble to help. Vassell is actually ideal at SF lockdown defender with his better all-around game and 3pt shooting. But I like him and Lonnie at go-to scorers from the bench. Maybe close with Vassell instead of McD.

[RC_Drunkford]

Keldon is an SF WTF are y’all smoking?

[TD 21]

I wish we'd've had the chance to see a White/Vassell/DeRozan starting perimeter. I always thought Derrick and DeMar shared play-making better than they did with DeJounte, and Vassell coming into his own a bit defensively couldn't make that a strong unit on that end. I still worry a lot of about Johnson defensively. I think he's clearly a PF, but he'll always struggle there. I wish one of the young players would've locked themselves in the gym and made the commitment to become a knock-down three-point shooter. They all seem to have new midrange moves, but shooting has basically been outsourced to McDermott. It makes me question pretty strongly what Pop and the staff are telling the young players to do. Not everyone needs to develop a three-level one-on-one game that stars need. It's okay to have some Danny Greens and then get them to do more once they've already gotten an elite skill.

Johnson is a combo forward, but yeah, it's fair to call into question the vaunted player development program and specifically Engelland. It's not that they're deficient per se, but the notion that they're miracle workers needs to end.

Not one of the current crop of youth has become an above average volume 3-point shooter to date. Even the ones projected to be average when drafted have yet to advanced beyond that.

Meanwhile, leaguewide random average and worse shooters are making the leap annually.

[wildbill2u]

This team lacks a closer. They'll be in most games through three quarters and fizzle out in the 4th.

Bingo! Give the man a cigar. You have to have that closer who can handle the ball, either score directly or get FTs, and handle the pressure. Like the Nuggets brought in Jokic the other night. For years, Manu was that guy. Last year we relied on DDR and he sometimes delivered. Now we don't have a go to guy at all.

[HankChinaski]

Out of the starting lineup Keldon has been slowly growing into the go to guy as the closer.

His in-between game and body control with his euro step is something else. His mid range jumper has looked good.

He had several possessions in the closing minute of the 4th where looked unstoppable.

[stephen jackson]

Dj looks to be getting worse I don’t see improvement

[daslicer]

Keldon is an SF WTF are y’all smoking?

Agreed. I don't see how it can work out long run for him at the PF spot. He's too undersized to make it work in the long run. For it to be even feasible the Spurs would have to have an elite rim protector.

[Chinook]

Keldon is an SF WTF are y’all smoking?

No he's not. He's clearly just a short PF. I don't even believe he's a combo-forward in today's game. You definitely want three perimeter players around him. Only McD being a great shooter makes it so Johnson can even be listed ambiguously.

[Chinook]

Dj looks to be getting worse I don’t see improvement

I think a lot of people seem to think Murray should just be over his sister dying, but the reality is that he could be off his game for a long time. I don't know all the circumstances surrounding her death, but I know I'd struggle to perform my best at the highest level if I had just lost one of my siblings. I'm not looking at anything he's doing as a sign of his actual skill right now. That said, Pop could do more to get the offense to run without relying on Murray making the right decisions every time.

[Dejounte]

Keldon is an SF WTF are y’all smoking?

Same energy as saying “Thad is a top 3 player on this team” before the season started. Look where that ridiculous take got him. Same guy who says he doesn’t post shit as if they were a matter of fact comes out and says shit like, “No, he’s not. He’s clearly a PF”. Can’t separate HIS truth from reality because his head is so far up his ass.

[Chinook]

Same energy as saying “Thad is a top 3 player on this team” before the season started. Look where that ridiculous take got him. Same guy who says he doesn’t post shit as if they were a matter of fact comes out and says shit like, “No, he’s not. He’s clearly a PF”. Can’t separate HIS truth from reality because his head is so far up his ass.

Only head up my ass right now is yours, bro, with the way you keep following me around to complain. And what's your complaint, that I don't say, "This is my opinion" enough for you to not have to do any critical thinking when you read? It's pathetic, dude.

[Dejounte]

Only head up my ass right now is yours, bro, with the way you keep following me around to complain. And what's your complaint, that I don't say, "This is my opinion" enough for you to not have to do any critical thinking when you read? It's pathetic, dude.

Nah, fuck you and your pompous ass.

[Chinook]

Nah, fuck you and your pompous ass.

You've become so damned sour this year. You'd think with all your cheerleading for the young players, you'd be doing just fine. I know I've been just fine with watching the team, despite my disagreements on some things. Hopefully, this spitefulness is just a bit you're trying out, because it's not healthy. I mean it, man. It's really weird how far off the wagon you've fallen at this point.

[Dejounte]

You've become so damned sour this year. You'd think with all your cheerleading for the young players, you'd be doing just fine. I know I've been just fine with watching the team, despite my disagreements on some things. Hopefully, this spitefulness is just a bit you're trying out, because it's not healthy. I mean it, man. It's really weird how far off the wagon you've fallen at this point.

What’s weird is your insistence on pushing this dumbass narrative like you know me. I have a problem with arrogant people, especially those who use opinion under the guise of facts then pawn it off as if it wasn’t intentional. You’re disingenuous as fuck and I’m going to call your bullshit out every single time because you’re a pompous brat who needs to get a reality check.

[Chinook]

What’s weird is your insistence on pushing this dumbass narrative like you know me. I have a problem with arrogant people, especially those who use opinion under the guise of facts then pawn it off as if it wasn’t intentional. You’re disingenuous as fuck and I’m going to call your bullshit out every single time because you’re a pompous brat who needs to get a reality check.

The only narrative that's being pushed is how angry you've become. I don't know you, which is why I find it so weird that you could let the Spurs losing ruin your online experience. It's more sad than anything. I have to hope that you are really buying into what you've said though, and that you think you're being some virtuous person by "calling my bullshit out", because from my vantage point, it's been pathetic watching you go from a scouting person to a drama poster.

As far as I know, you're referencing your belief that I confused "people" (meaning you) into thinking I was reporting the Spurs were going to trade for Simmons event though in all my years on this forum I've never once claimed to have a source or broke any news. And instead of going like, "Oh, yeah. That's a good point. Maybe I read too much into it," it broke you in some way that makes you think I decided to be TSpence or whatever and then decided to backpedal. It's dumb conspiratorial thinking. Anything else, like who's the best player or whatever, is obviously an assertion that is subjective. Thinking that that's a fact is on you, because that's not a standard that you're holding to anyone else.

Then again, you were complaining about win-shares being based on team record, but you stopped once you had to read the formula and saw, again, that it actually doesn't factor in team wins at all. That should've been a wake-up call to you that you should dial back the vitriol a bit, since you spun off on this psychologist narrative for a few posts before going silent once the evidence was out there. But I see it just motivated you to look for a different nit to pick rather than just enjoying the team.

Also :lol at "calling me out" by making snide remarks about me to other people.

[Dejounte]

Oh lord, another useless wall of text by the resident idiot. Good effort and another wasteful use of your time outside of your dumbass takes full of lies. Congratulations, jackass.

[Chinook]

Oh lord, another useless wall of text by the resident idiot. Good effort and another wasteful use of your time outside of your dumbass takes full of lies. Congratulations, jackass.

Imagine thinking this is "calling someone out".

[In a Batman voice] I fight for justice by complaining a post is too long.

[JeffDuncan]

No he's not. He's clearly just a short PF. I don't even believe he's a combo-forward in today's game. You definitely want three perimeter players around him. Only McD being a great shooter makes it so Johnson can even be listed ambiguously.


What would you say Keldon lacks to be a small forward? Lateral quickness? 3pt shooting? That sort of thing?

[Chinook]

What would you say Keldon lacks to be a small forward? Lateral quickness? 3pt shooting? That sort of thing?

I don't think he looks comfortable as a wing on either side of the ball. On defense a lot of that is quickness, but I also think he's more comfortable bodying up and contesting shots than he is navigating screens and playing passing lanes. On offense, I think he has the game of a combo-forward from seven or so years ago. He can space the floor (sometimes) and is developing some in-between moves, but he also seems to like fighting in the paint more, and his game tends to rely on overpowering players like you'd think a PF would. It's a quickness thing too, as I don't see him as an off-the-dribble creator that would call for a screen before going to work. He seems way more like the guy you'd want screening. There was definitely a time where SFs played like that, but I think the league has gotten to the point that that amount of perimeter skill is firmly within the PF range. I don't know if Johnson's game is more SF like than, say, Lyles' is.

[TD 21]

Agreed. I don't see how it can work out long run for him at the PF spot. He's too undersized to make it work in the long run. For it to be even feasible the Spurs would have to have an elite rim protector.

They have one . . . guy by the name of Poeltl. He perennially ranks among the top 5 or so in the league in defensive field goal percentage within 3 feet of the rim and block percentage.



Only head up my ass right now is yours, bro, with the way you keep following me around to complain. And what's your complaint, that I don't say, "This is my opinion" enough for you to not have to do any critical thinking when you read? It's pathetic, dude.

:lmao You once made the same complaint to me and I responded with essentially the same thing.

Anyway, I'd classify Johnson as a combo forward because unlike Tucker, Crowder, etc., he has a developing off the dribble game and despite his strength, he doesn't have their girth.

[Chinook]

:lmao You once made the same complaint to me and I responded with essentially the same thing.

Wait, you think it's funny that I had a similar reply to the same comment? Isn't that normal?


Anyway, I'd classify Johnson as a combo forward because unlike Tucker, Crowder, etc., he has a developing off the dribble game and despite his strength, he doesn't have their girth.

I hope Johnson shows the ability to play the three consistently. Right now, I think Kyle Anderson is more of a wing than Keldon is, and I wouldn't call Kyle even a combo-forward at this stage.

[TD 21]

Wait, you think it's funny that I had a similar reply to the same comment? Isn't that normal?



I hope Johnson shows the ability to play the three consistently. Right now, I think Kyle Anderson is more of a wing than Keldon is, and I wouldn't call Kyle even a combo-forward at this stage.

No, I mean your once made the comment to me that he's now made to you and I essentially gave you the same response you're now giving to him.

Anderson is definitely a combo forward, but more of a four.

[Chinook]

No, I mean your once made the comment to me that he's now made to you and I essentially gave you the same response you're now giving to him.

:lol Just last month you said this:


As usual, I'm being objective.

So when I do talk about you not clarifying things are your opinion, it's due to you saying often that something isn't your opinion. You should be able to click on the quote for context, but it was about you believing that winning more games was objectively bad because of it could lead to worse lottery odds, and my critique was that lottery odds having more value than performance was your opinion rather than a fact.


Anderson is definitely a combo forward, but more of a four.

I think the Spurs should treat Johnson as their PF until he shows he can consistently play the three. Does that make sense?

[Dex]

Jeez, I feel like I'm listening to my crazy ass family bicker and Thanksgiving isn't even until next month.

[TD 21]

:lol Just last month you said this:



So when I do talk about you not clarifying things are your opinion, it's due to you saying often that something isn't your opinion. You should be able to click on the quote for context, but it was about you believing that winning more games was objectively bad because of it could lead to worse lottery odds, and my critique was that lottery odds having more value than performance was your opinion rather than a fact.



I think the Spurs should treat Johnson as their PF until he shows he can consistently play the three. Does that make sense?

Pretty sure you meant it in a general sense, but whatever. The point was/is, even though I haven't agreed with their general direction post Scumbag, I've often prescribed (to use your word) things I could see happening or could make sense within' their framework. That's why I said as usual, I'm being objective.

But they're not really doing that. He's part of an amorphouse forward duo with McDermott. For example, he'll probably primarily defend James next game and McDermott will probably start on Jordan. It's all matchup dependant.

[Chinook]

Jeez, I feel like I'm listening to my crazy ass family bicker and Thanksgiving isn't even until next month.

Sorry, Uncle Dex. You know how much I hate it when Cousin Teeds talks about politics while we're eating.

[RC_Drunkford]

Ok let me try to understand this. If Keldon is a 4 that should
mean he can play small ball five right? :lmao

[GAustex]

Spurs do not have a 4. Keldon is undersized and his fight is admirable.
Maybe the KBD dude but he sucks.

[Chinook]

Ok let me try to understand this. If Keldon is a 4 that should
mean he can play small ball five right? :lmao

Wait, why does being an undersized PF mean he can play center?

It's like saying, "OK let me try to understand this. If Bryn Forbes is a 2 that should
mean he can play small ball SF, right? :lmao "

Forbes, like Johnson, plays the position he plays despite not having good size for it because he lacks fundamental attributes to play down a position. But nothing about being an SG or PF implies one can play up. You can be annoyed Johnson is too short, but that doesn't mean he's actually the smaller position.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Not sure what the point is for the who plays the 4 arguments. Barely any team plays a '4' anymore. It simply doesn't matter. Bucks started Middleton as a 4 the other night, is he a 4? Teams play 4 perimeter oriented players in 2021. In most games there's little functional difference between a 3 and a 4. Yeah it'd be great having a tall perimeter '4' like a Tatum but the distinction between positions is so murky there's no point arguing.

[DPG21920]

I am encouraged with the level of effort and defense…that was like the baseline though for what we were hoping to see. I’m glad that aspect is there and looks legit.

Now need to see progress on the “other” things (3PT shooting, decision making, etc..) as the season progresses. But overall, the games are enjoyable and I have not seen any major red flags that I was not anticipating tbh.

[Fireball]

I am encouraged with the level of effort and defense…that was like the baseline though for what we were hoping to see. I’m glad that aspect is there and looks legit.

Now need to see progress on the “other” things (3PT shooting, decision making, etc..) as the season progresses. But overall, the games are enjoyable and I have not seen any major red flags that I was not anticipating tbh.

cannot agree more!!!

[spurraider21]

Wait, why does being an undersized PF mean he can play center?

It's like saying, "OK let me try to understand this. If Bryn Forbes is a 2 that should
mean he can play small ball SF, right? :lmao "

Forbes, like Johnson, plays the position he plays despite not having good size for it because he lacks fundamental attributes to play down a position. But nothing about being an SG or PF implies one can play up. You can be annoyed Johnson is too short, but that doesn't mean he's actually the smaller position.
lord knows i dont always agree with chinook, but yeah these criticisms are really poor lol

[spurs10]

I am encouraged with the level of effort and defense…that was like the baseline though for what we were hoping to see. I’m glad that aspect is there and looks legit.

Now need to see progress on the “other” things (3PT shooting, decision making, etc..) as the season progresses. But overall, the games are enjoyable and I have not seen any major red flags that I was not anticipating tbh. I feel the same way, it was encouraging to see.