VA gov. Race: Democrat McAuliffe doing everything to lose a once easy election

[hater]

:lmao this fuckface reminds me of Diblasio

An incoherent out of control muppet :lol

https://twitter.com/kayleighmcenany/status/1452032977785929728?s=19

https://twitter.com/GlennYoungkin/status/1451997606935158797?s=19

https://twitter.com/DeAngelisCorey/status/1452276985074536456?s=19

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1450801311662972930?s=19

:lmao

[hater]

:lmao Mcclownliffe

:lol

https://twitter.com/brikeilarcnn/status/1452952091568312331?s=19

[Will Hunting]

McAuliffe is a cringe boomerdad loser. He's literally done nothing the last 4 years other than wait to run for governor again and he was one of the worst DNC Chairs ever.

[Will Hunting]

The one thing McAuliffe is right about that Youngkin is stupid for attacking him on is whether parents should have a say over the school's curriculum.

QAnon Karen isn't qualified to decide what her son learns in US history class, if she wants to brainwash him with her bullshit then she can send him to bible school or homeschool him, but she should have absolutely no say over what public schools or schools receiving tax payer money are teaching.

[Dirks_Finale]

VA is sold blue, so this would be quite a prescursor for 2022 if it turns red.

Still seeing it staying blue, though. Obummer will drag him across the finish line.

[Will Hunting]

VA is sold blue, so this would be quite a prescursor for 2022 if it turns red.

Still seeing it staying blue, though. Obummer will drag him across the finish line.
I don't think it's a predictor for 2022 one way or the other. VA has a huge amount of high propensity Dem voters in NoVA for McAwful to fall back on that a lot of Dems in other states won't have. McAwful is just the male version of Hillary and has run a terrible campaign.

[hater]

The one thing McAuliffe is right about that Youngkin is stupid for attacking him on is whether parents should have a say over the school's curriculum.

QAnon Karen isn't qualified to decide what her son learns in US history class, if she wants to brainwash him with her bullshit then she can send him to bible school or homeschool him, but she should have absolutely no say over what public schools or schools receiving tax payer money are teaching.

Disagree. Parents should have a say. They can attend school board meetings get involved and talk to these boards. Thats having a say.

Should they make ultimate decisions? No. Well yes their ultimate decision is wether to move their kids somewhere else. But absolutely they should have a say.

[Will Hunting]

Disagree. Parents should have a say. They can attend school board meetings get involved and talk to these boards. Thats having a say.

Should they make ultimate decisions? No. Well yes their ultimate decision is wether to move their kids somewhere else. But absolutely they should have a say.
:lmao hater thinks schools should teach kids that QAnon is real

[hater]

:lmao hater thinks schools should teach kids that QAnon is real

Fake news. Noone with 2+ braincells will fall for it. :tu

[Will Hunting]

Fake news. Noone with 2+ braincells will fall for it. :tu
You literally just said that MAGAboomer parents who believe in QAnon should have influence over what schools teach.

[hater]

You literally just said that MAGAboomer parents who believe in QAnon should have influence over what schools teach.

You literally just made that up. Nobody with 2+ braincells will fall for your fake manufactured news.

[Will Hunting]

You literally just made that up. Nobody with 2+ braincells will fall for your fake manufactured news.
If a majority of parents in a school district think the school should teach kids that QAnon is reach, should the school district adapt that as part of its curriculum? Yes or no.

[hater]

If a majority of parents in a school district think the school should teach kids that QAnon is reach, should the school district adapt that as part of its curriculum? Yes or no.

Up to the board. The parents had their say. :tu

[spurraider21]

The one thing McAuliffe is right about that Youngkin is stupid for attacking him on is whether parents should have a say over the school's curriculum.

QAnon Karen isn't qualified to decide what her son learns in US history class, if she wants to brainwash him with her bullshit then she can send him to bible school or homeschool him, but she should have absolutely no say over what public schools or schools receiving tax payer money are teaching.
yeah. i voted against him i the primary. already got my ballot in for him for the general

[spurraider21]

Up to the board. The parents had their say. :tu
so you think it should be up to the board, not the parents

:tu you agree with mcauliffe

[hater]

so you think it should be up to the board, not the parents

:tu you agree with mcauliffe

Flawed understanding here. Mcclownlife said "parents should not tell schools what to teach"

I believe if parents want they should. And should be allowed to speak at school board meetings anytime and as many times as they want.

Cheers

[spurraider21]

Flawed understanding here. Mcclownlife said "parents should not tell schools what to teach"

I believe if parents want they should. And should be allowed to speak at school board meetings anytime and as many times as they want.

Cheers
parents can speak at school meetings, the board can give them the bird and teach whatever they decide. mcauliffe never said parents should be banned from board meetings :lol

you agree the board should have final say, not the parents

you agree with McAullife :tu

[Will Hunting]

Back to the main thread topic, McAuliffe is a classic example of a late 90s/early 00s Dem who brings nothing to the table but became a party leader purely due to his relationship with the Clintons. The sooner people like him are either purged from party leadership or just die off altogether, the better.

[spurraider21]

Back to the main thread topic, McAuliffe is a classic example of a late 90s/early 00s Dem who brings nothing to the table but became a party leader purely due to his relationship with the Clintons. The sooner people like him are either purged from party leadership or just die off altogether, the better.
yeah but i dont think we're going to get better in VA anytime soon. i voted for carrol foy in the gubernatorial primary and mcauliffe absolutely crushed

[hater]

parents can speak at school meetings, the board can give them the bird and teach whatever they decide. mcauliffe never said parents should be banned from board meetings :lol

you agree the board should have final say, not the parents

you agree with McAullife :tu

Check the op ma jig.

Mcclownlife said "I dont think parents should be telling schools what they should teach"

Its not brain surgery :lol

Now you can say Mcclo3nlife misspoke. I will take that as a valid answer and accept your apology :tu

[DMC]

I don't know why they keep saying the dude walked out of the interview. He was done and even answered more questions than he had planned to. You could see his handlers were trying to tell him his time was up. He had some parting comments but didn't walk off the interview.

[spurraider21]

Check the op ma jig.

Mcclownlife said "I dont think parents should be telling schools what they should teach"

Its not brain surgery :lol

Now you can say Mcclo3nlife misspoke. I will take that as a valid answer and accept your apology :tu
watch the clip instead of just reading the tweet. he was talking about parents dictating what can be taught (taking books off shelves). you dont agree with that.

you agree with McAuliffe :tu

[spurraider21]

I don't know why they keep saying the dude walked out of the interview. He was done and even answered more questions than he had planned to. You could see his handlers were trying to tell him his time was up. He had some parting comments but didn't walk off the interview.
why do you think?

[hater]

watch the clip instead of just reading the tweet. he was talking about parents dictating what can be taught (taking books off shelves). you dont agree with that.

you agree with McAuliffe :tu

Apology accepted

[Cuck Ross]

The one thing McAuliffe is right about that Youngkin is stupid for attacking him on is whether parents should have a say over the school's curriculum.

QAnon Karen isn't qualified to decide what her son learns in US history class, if she wants to brainwash him with her bullshit then she can send him to bible school or homeschool him, but she should have absolutely no say over what public schools or schools receiving tax payer money are teaching.

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https://www.suffolk.edu/-/media/suffolk/documents/academics/research-at-suffolk/suprc/polls/other-states/2021/10_26_2021_tables.pdf?la=en&hash=06F70767CC4BC3FD43D9CDB42ECC52E3512D8F2D

[spurraider21]

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https://www.suffolk.edu/-/media/suffolk/documents/academics/research-at-suffolk/suprc/polls/other-states/2021/10_26_2021_tables.pdf?la=en&hash=06F70767CC4BC3FD43D9CDB42ECC52E3512D8F2D
nice reminder of why our education is fucked

[Will Hunting]

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https://www.suffolk.edu/-/media/suffolk/documents/academics/research-at-suffolk/suprc/polls/other-states/2021/10_26_2021_tables.pdf?la=en&hash=06F70767CC4BC3FD43D9CDB42ECC52E3512D8F2D
Sup Derp

[hater]

nice reminder of why our education is fucked

Our education.has been fine for hundreds of years, Nancy. Parents always had a say :tu

[spurraider21]

Our education.has been fine for hundreds of years, Nancy. Parents always had a say :tu
:lmao you agree with McAuliffe on his education take

[hater]

:lmao you agree with McAuliffe on his education take

Apology accepted :tu

[Millennial_Messiah]

My analytics say McAuliffe will win by a % margin of +0.5 to +3.5 with a 99.7% confidence. +1.0 to +3.0 with a 95% confidence. +1.5 to +2.5 with a 68% confidence.

That's still a huge win for the GOP, since VA has become a solid dark blue state like Maryland or NJ. AP/Fox News/CNN all called VA for Biden when the polls immediately closed in 2020. As opposed to say, 2016 when Hillary Clinton had to wait for the last of the NoVA votes to push her ahead to victory in the state; or even in 2012 when the state was competitive.

[hater]

:lmao mcclownlife :lol

https://twitter.com/Circleback13/status/1453045430615486468?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/1Apocalypsis777/status/1452401176180367365?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/KittyKatStaxx00/status/1452950375741464579?s=19

[spurraider21]

Apology accepted :tu
who is apologizing? you for agreeing with Terry?

[Joseph Kony]

funny how a section of posters here loves posting tweets because they cant actually articulate their point without posting someone else's warped and purposefully intellectually dishonest opinion on a subject

[Joseph Kony]

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https://www.suffolk.edu/-/media/suffolk/documents/academics/research-at-suffolk/suprc/polls/other-states/2021/10_26_2021_tables.pdf?la=en&hash=06F70767CC4BC3FD43D9CDB42ECC52E3512D8F2D

:lmao thinking a poll conducted with a group of 500 is indicative of anything or extrapolates into across the board data. congrats on outing yourself as yet another dipshit here that has never been to college and has 0 clue how legitimate experimental research is conducted

[Joseph Kony]

https://twitter.com/1Apocalypsis777/status/1452401176180367365?s=19

:lmao this entire article autistic screeching over literally 1 book in the library for queer students when parents let their kids consume endless of hours of over sexualized content on Tiktok. lol at all the fake outrage

[hater]

Funnynhow a section of posters here post with their alts to make it seem lots agree with their stupidities :lol

[hater]

:lmao this entire article autistic screeching over literally 1 book in the library for queer students when parents let their kids consume endless of hours of over sexualized content on Tiktok. lol at all the fake outrage

Says a guys alt :lmao

[Splits]

:lmao this fuckface reminds me of Diblasio

https://twitter.com/kayleighmcenany/status/1452032977785929728?s=19

https://i.giphy.com/media/1l307VjEIRFp2t4eJB/giphy.webp

https://c.tenor.com/7naE6E_nIWAAAAAM/donald-trump-dance-donald-trump.gif

Deblasio? lmao hater is #StillWithHim

[hater]

https://i.giphy.com/media/1l307VjEIRFp2t4eJB/giphy.webp

:lmao that fat orange bastard was a horrible "dancer" too :lmao

[Joseph Kony]

Says a guys alt :lmao

this is my main account you tard :lol

[Splits]

https://pics.awwmemes.com/hi-hater-bye-hater-ga-me-irl-34660151.png

#StillWithHim

[hater]

this is my main account you tard :lol

Says a guys alt :lmao

[hater]

https://pics.awwmemes.com/hi-hater-bye-hater-ga-me-irl-34660151.png

#StillWithHim

Nice outfit :tu

[Joseph Kony]

:lol hater proving he has no actual retort per par.

:lol "called it"

[SnakeBoy]

Youngkin also dismissed Biden’s appearance in the state in a recent interview with Fox News. “If President Biden wants to come campaign in Virginia, come on, spend all the time you want here,” he said, in remarks that echoed past GOP hopefuls. “You can’t help but look at President Biden and recognize what a failed presidency looks like.”

[ChumpDumper]

Youngkin also dismissed Biden’s appearance in the state in a recent interview with Fox News. “If President Biden wants to come campaign in Virginia, come on, spend all the time you want here,” he said, in remarks that echoed past GOP hopefuls. “You can’t help but look at President Biden and recognize what a failed presidency looks like.”

:lol Trump isn't even allowed to campaign for Youngkin. That's what unmitigated failure looks like.

[hater]

:lol https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1452995865119973385?s=19

[hater]

:lmao democrats busted :lol

https://twitter.com/alec_sears/status/1454156277676916748?s=19

[hater]

:lmao :lol :lmao

Mclownlife. :lol

https://twitter.com/DeAngelisCorey/status/1453890366646726657?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/ProjectVirginia/status/1454090032277594119?s=19

[hater]

"How to lose an election in 10 weeks" by Terry Mcclownlife :lmao

[hater]

https://twitter.com/EchelonInsights/status/1454156965966405640?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1453856916892004359?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1453851408940380166?s=19

[SnakeBoy]

:lmao democrats busted :lol

https://twitter.com/alec_sears/status/1454156277676916748?s=19

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[baseline bum]

:lmao democrats busted :lol

https://twitter.com/alec_sears/status/1454156277676916748?s=19

Should have gotten someone obese who would have fit in better as a Trumptard tbh

[SnakeBoy]

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[Cuck Ross]

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:rollin

[Isitjustme?]

:lmao democrats busted :lol

https://twitter.com/alec_sears/status/1454156277676916748?s=19

Sunglasses and a hat are covering 60% of her head lmao. They use x-ray vision for that positive ID??! :lol

[hater]

Sunglasses and a hat are covering 60% of her head lmao. They use x-ray vision for that positive ID??! :lol

There are websites you can use that use AI to match 2 pics tbqh

.too lazy to use it but my guess is since that chick has locked her twatte acct. It her :lol

[Isitjustme?]

There are websites you can use that use AI to match 2 pics tbqh

.too lazy to use it but my guess is since that chick has locked her twatte acct. It her :lol

Oh, didnt know she did that lol

[DMC]

Should have gotten someone obese who would have fit in better as a Trumptard tbh

Or shave the neck beard.

[DMC]

There are websites you can use that use AI to match 2 pics tbqh

.too lazy to use it but my guess is since that chick has locked her twatte acct. It her :lol

Not necessarily but the correlation and connections makes it highly suspect. Regardless she's lock her account either way, if people thought it was her. This is the problem with social media, you have no privacy because you voluntarily waived it.

[rmt]

Is this the one who thinks teaching diversity is just as important as Math or English? So we should listen to him but not parents?

[DarrinS]

1454137647824207875


:lol

[baseline bum]

Or shave the neck beard.

You misspelled grow

[ElNono]

:lmao democrats busted :lol

https://twitter.com/alec_sears/status/1454156277676916748?s=19

Pretty obvious they're not the real thing. Tiki torches are not lit and they didn't mow down a niglet with the bus.

[DMC]

Pretty obvious they're not the real thing. Tiki torches are not lit and they didn't mow down a niglet with the bus.

And a black white nationalist :lol

[ElNono]

And a black white nationalist :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLNDqxrUUwQ

[DMC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLNDqxrUUwQ

Careful you might offend some of the metrosexuals here.

[Winehole23]

Careful you might offend some of the metrosexuals here.what's your number one issue, DMC?

[rmt]

funny how a section of posters here loves posting tweets because they cant actually articulate their point without posting someone else's warped and purposefully intellectually dishonest opinion on a subject

Not this poster as I'm so technically deficient I haven't figured out how to post a tweet (and not on twitter) - lol.


:lmao this entire article autistic screeching over literally 1 book in the library for queer students when parents let their kids consume endless of hours of over sexualized content on Tiktok. lol at all the fake outrage

As the mother of someone on the spectrum, I'll join the woke group momentarily and take offense over this description :-) BTW, quite the opposite, it's the silence/quiet I worry about - I might welcome some screeching.

[rmt]

nice reminder of why our education is fucked

For centuries, parents taught their kids (including all life skills) or the schoolhouse teacher taught all aged kids (think Little House on the Prairie). You, SR21, would do a fine job teaching your daughter (especially if you start early and incorporate into daily life) - it doesn't take a lot of time and you'd do a better job than most public school teachers.

[Winehole23]

As the mother of someone on the spectrum, I'll join the woke group momentarily and take offense over this description :-) BTW, quite the opposite, it's the silence/quiet I worry about - I might welcome some screeching.:tu

[rmt]

My advice regarding education: supplement the math - I wouldn't trust elementary school teachers (middle and high school should be better as they have to have a math background or pass subject test to teach math if degree is in other subject). Kids get lost in 4th-5th grade where the application of fractions, decimals and percents get them (it's not just memorization of math facts).

Of course, this advice/opinion is from a humble parent (who taught her kids) who some of you think we should all disregard - lol.

[Winehole23]

My advice regarding education: supplement the math - I wouldn't trust elementary school teachers (middle and high school should be better as they have to have a math background or pass subject test to teach math if degree is in other subject). Kids get lost in 4th-5th grade where the application of fractions, decimals and percents get them (it's not just memorization of math facts).

Of course, this advice/opinion is from a humble parent (who taught her kids) who some of you think we should all disregard - lol.My experience at a very good high school where everybody (mostly high aptitude kids) went to summer school to complete extra math and science was that students with high aptitude for math got great instruction and those who didn't were more or less left behind.

[Winehole23]

Perhaps it's hard to teach math to kids who don't already get it.

[ElNono]

For centuries, parents taught their kids (including all life skills) or the schoolhouse teacher taught all aged kids (think Little House on the Prairie). You, SR21, would do a fine job teaching your daughter (especially if you start early and incorporate into daily life) - it doesn't take a lot of time and you'd do a better job than most public school teachers.

For centuries, parents taught their kids (including all life skills) how to kill their prey so they could eat and survive. We have supermarkets now. Under what authority do you make the claim you're better at teaching children than most public school teachers? I'm sure you're better than a handful, there's always an outlier, but pray tell how your "life skillz" and personal experience trump school nurses, psychologists, librarians, school counselors, social workers, speech pathologists and all that network of educational support you find in any modern children schools? "My children came out ok" is not a valid answer. It's both a very debatable opinion and an anecdote.

You also don't come across as neither a scholar nor a bookworm (when you are, it shows). I am the son of a elementary school teacher (not in this country and long retired), so I grew up watching every day the amount of work it takes to master a topic, prepare a class, identifying and helping problematic children, seeking help for them, and the years and years it takes to actually gain experience to become really good at that job, and everything that surrounds it. From problematic parents, to deficient infrastructure in some cases, to children that just go to school to get a free meal. I frankly think you've no idea what are you talking about and are just talking out of your ass.

[rmt]

My experience at a very good high school where everybody (mostly high aptitude kids) went to summer school to complete extra math and science was that students with high aptitude for math got great instruction and those who didn't were more or less left behind.

Imho, kids are lost in math much earlier than high school - 4-5th grade. Should be proactive early - make sure they know their math facts (k-3) and then the application of them (fractions, decimals, percents) via word problems (4-5). I sent my dd to ps to take (back then) FCAT math test - she came back asking what was MODE. My thought was why are they teaching mode/median in 5th grade? But, of course, everything is to impress parents/media/etc - terminology, statistics, etc. - more like a mile wide and an inch deep instead of thoroughly understanding fractions/decimals/percents.

The gap in your example just gets bigger and bigger as kids get to high grades until they reach college and are shut out of whole industries (STEM jobs).

[Thread]

Imho, kids are lost in math much earlier than high school - 4-5th grade. Should be proactive early - make sure they know their math facts (k-3) and then the application of them (fractions, decimals, percents) via word problems (4-5). I sent my dd to ps to take (back then) FCAT math test - she came back asking what was MODE. My thought was why are they teaching mode/median in 5th grade? But, of course, everything is to impress parents/media/etc - terminology, statistics, etc. - more like a mile wide and an inch deep instead of thoroughly understanding fractions/decimals/percents.

The gap in your example just gets bigger and bigger as kids get to high grades until they reach college and are shut out of whole industries (STEM jobs).

The bitter truth.

[rmt]

Perhaps it's hard to teach math to kids who don't already get it.

They don't get it because they lost it back in 4-5th grade. If, at your very good high school, some didn't get it - think how many (including future K-6 elementary teachers) at very average or very poor high schools - don't get it. If this opinion is true, it was lost way back in elementary schools where teachers don't specialize in math - they teach all subjects. See below a paltry 30 semester hours (that's 1 year) to learn to teach all the below:

(2) Plan Two. A bachelor's or higher degree with thirty (30) semester hours in elementary education to include the areas specified below:

(a) Courses in teaching reading in grades K-6 to include each of the following:

1. Understanding the reading process and effective reading instruction,

2. Recognition and assessment of reading problems, and

3. Prescription and utilization of appropriate methods and materials to increase reading performance; and

(b) Courses in each of the areas specified below:

1. Content and methods for teaching writing and language arts in grades K-6,

2. Content and methods for teaching science for grades K-6,

3. Content and methods for teaching social science for grades K-6,

4. Content and methods for teaching health education and physical education for grades K-6,

5. Content and methods for teaching art for grades K-6,

6. Content and methods for teaching music for grades K-6,

7. Content and methods for teaching mathematics for grades K-6, and

8. Materials for use in grades K-6 such as children's literature, multi-media materials, library materials, and the computer as an instructional tool.

https://www.fldoe.org/teaching/certification/certificate-subjects/administrative-rules/6a-4-0151.stml

Tongue in cheek - I wonder how much time is to be devoted to teaching teachers how to teach diversity and inclusion? Surely not as much as math and English - paltry though that may be - lol.

[rmt]

Perhaps it's hard to teach math to kids who don't already get it.

I hope you don't mean that they aren't CAPABLE of getting it. I hope it's because of poor/lack of instruction somewhere along the way and because math is built upon itself (year after year), it's difficult to correct in high school.

[baseline bum]

As the mother of someone on the spectrum, I'll join the woke group momentarily and take offense over this description :-) BTW, quite the opposite, it's the silence/quiet I worry about - I might welcome some screeching.

Remember the good old days when you blamed your kid's autism on vaccines? But now you don't because you want to pretend you're not a retard antivaxxer.

[Will Hunting]

McAuliffe is so fucking bad. Clinton Democrats need to be sent to the gas chamber.

[spurraider21]

For centuries, parents taught their kids (including all life skills) or the schoolhouse teacher taught all aged kids (think Little House on the Prairie). You, SR21, would do a fine job teaching your daughter (especially if you start early and incorporate into daily life) - it doesn't take a lot of time and you'd do a better job than most public school teachers.
And for centuries we were morons waiting for geniuses to come around and push us forward

[Will Hunting]

:lmao who the fuck wants to live in a world like Little House on the Prairie.

[hater]

:lmao :lol

https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/1454191315919544320?s=19

[DMC]

And for centuries we were morons waiting for geniuses to come around and push us forward

Nothing has changed.

[DMC]

:lmao who the fuck wants to live in a world like Little House on the Prairie.

Michael Landon certainly didn't.

[Nathan89]

For centuries, parents taught their kids (including all life skills) how to kill their prey so they could eat and survive. We have supermarkets now. Under what authority do you make the claim you're better at teaching children than most public school teachers? I'm sure you're better than a handful, there's always an outlier, but pray tell how your "life skillz" and personal experience trump school nurses, psychologists, librarians, school counselors, social workers, speech pathologists and all that network of educational support you find in any modern children schools? "My children came out ok" is not a valid answer. It's both a very debatable opinion and an anecdote.

You also don't come across as neither a scholar nor a bookworm (when you are, it shows). I am the son of a elementary school teacher (not in this country and long retired), so I grew up watching every day the amount of work it takes to master a topic, prepare a class, identifying and helping problematic children, seeking help for them, and the years and years it takes to actually gain experience to become really good at that job, and everything that surrounds it. From problematic parents, to deficient infrastructure in some cases, to children that just go to school to get a free meal. I frankly think you've no idea what are you talking about and are just talking out of your ass.

Homeschooled kids out score public school kids.

[ElNono]

Homeschooled kids out score public school kids.

1) False, and generally advanced by homeschooling lobby (which is largely centered around religious conservatives). Impossible to test accurately since homeschooling is pretty much completely unregulated in the US, and heavily tilts towards the wealthy. (https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/05/law-school-professor-says-there-may-be-a-dark-side-of-homeschooling/).
2) Main concern of parents doing homeschooling (as answered by them) is not education quality, but school environment (https://nces.ed.gov/FastFacts/display.asp?id=91)

Fact is, the #1 concern for homeschooled children's parents is the social values their kids are going to learn and be exposed to, not their education quality. Which is why other first world countries like Germany pretty much ban homeschooling entirely.

[Reck]

:lmao :lol

https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/1454191315919544320?s=19

Still wins by 20 points.

[Will Hunting]

Still wins by 20 points.
:lol it’s only a Biden +10 state and T Mac has run a historically bad campaign in an off cycle year. It’s highly unlikely he wins by >5% if he wins at all.

[Reck]

:lol it’s only a Biden +10 state and T Mac has run a historically bad campaign in an off cycle year. It’s highly unlikely he wins by >5% if he wins at all.

That’s with the trumpies in full force mind you.

I don’t think they’re at all engaged in politics since their dear leader got his shit pushed him hard. I fully expect all Dems to push the insurrection thing hard come next year as well which can only help.

[Will Hunting]

That’s with the trumpies in full force mind you.

I don’t think they’re at all engaged in politics since their dear leader got his shit pushed him hard. I fully expect all Dems to push the insurrection thing hard come next year as well which can only help.
Yeah you’re simply delusional. All the recent polls have this race as a dead heat. Virginia isn’t a D+20 state :lol

[Reck]

Yeah you’re simply delusional. All the recent polls have this race as a dead heat. Virginia isn’t a D+20 state :lol

I will admit I haven’t kept up with politics since last January but you were always a pessimist about these things. Races you thought would be close weren’t and so on.

I personally don’t believe this particular race will be close.

[Will Hunting]

I will admit I haven’t kept up with politics since last January but you were always a pessimist about these things. Races you thought would be close weren’t and so on.

I personally don’t believe this particular race will be close.
:lol what are you talking about? My predictions last year were overly optimistic. I thought Greenfield and Bullock were in close races and I thought Collins was toast.

[Nathan89]

1) False, and generally advanced by homeschooling lobby (which is largely centered around religious conservatives). Impossible to test accurately since homeschooling is pretty much completely unregulated in the US, and heavily tilts towards the wealthy. (https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/05/law-school-professor-says-there-may-be-a-dark-side-of-homeschooling/).
2) Main concern of parents doing homeschooling (as answered by them) is not education quality, but school environment (https://nces.ed.gov/FastFacts/display.asp?id=91)

Fact is, the #1 concern for homeschooled children's parents is the social values their kids are going to learn and be exposed to, not their education quality. Which is why other first world countries like Germany pretty much ban homeschooling entirely.

Authoritarian countries that think they should control your children isn't exactly the blueprint I want to follow tbh. If you have a problem with homeschooling then school choice will decrease the percentage of people that seek that option.

[Will Hunting]

McAuliffe is pure scum and the party should have told him there’d be hell to pay if he ran

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[DMC]

funny how a section of posters here loves posting tweets because they cant actually articulate their point without posting someone else's warped and purposefully intellectually dishonest opinion on a subject

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[ElNono]

Authoritarian countries that think they should control your children isn't exactly the blueprint I want to follow tbh. If you have a problem with homeschooling then school choice will decrease the percentage of people that seek that option.

What you want is immaterial to the discussion on what's ultimately best for kids overall. I have a problem with people talking out of their asses and not being truthful and honest on why they do what they do. It's their socially awkward children that end up suffering in the long run.

[Nathan89]

What you want is immaterial to the discussion on what's ultimately best for kids overall. I have a problem with people talking out of their asses and not being truthful and honest on why they do what they do. It's their socially awkward children that end up suffering in the long run.

We don't have an authoritarian system in place to optimize what is best for kids. If we did we would be mandating procedures that prevent pregnancy outside of marriage. Therefore it's foolish to bring forth half baked authoritarian systems. With that in mind the logical destination is more freedom. Homeschooling is an option under the umbrella of freedom. School choice is another option that allows more freedom.

[ElNono]

We don't have an authoritarian system in place to optimize what is best for kids. If we did we would be mandating procedures that prevent pregnancy outside of marriage. Therefore it's foolish to bring forth half baked authoritarian systems. With that in mind the logical destination is more freedom. Homeschooling is an option under the umbrella of freedom. School choice is another option that allows more freedom.

Authoritarian is precluding children from having the best education they can have, and it has a lasting impact on them, well beyond the life of the retard that didn't prepare them to face the reality around them and end up ruining their lives.

How you or I feel about society's values doesn't matter. If you're a transphobe, xenophobe, racist, etc you're barely employable in today's labor market and likely unemployable in the future. At least for high paying, high profile jobs. You're simply a liability.

This isn't something we're going to be rehashing again either, just like we moved on from slavery or discussing if women should have a lesser role in society. It's ok if you want to stick around in the stone age, it's not ok to hold your child hostage in that era.

[Nathan89]

Authoritarian is precluding children from having the best education they can have, and it has a lasting impact on them, well beyond the life of the retard that didn't prepare them to face the reality around them and end up ruining their lives.

How you or I feel about society's values doesn't matter. If you're a transphobe, xenophobe, racist, etc you're barely employable in today's labor market and likely unemployable in the future. At least for high paying, high profile jobs. You're simply a liability.

This isn't something we're going to be rehashing again either, just like we moved on from slavery or discussing if women should have a lesser role in society. It's ok if you want to stick around in the stone age, it's not ok to hold your child hostage in that era.

Authoritarian is the government forcing children that are not theirs to go to schools that they have blindly determined were better than what their parents decided. It's moronic to position choices made by families as authoritarian.

Under your authoritarian nanny state the government is controlling everything from education, nutrition, and physical activities they deem too dangerous until children have fully formed brains in their mid 20s.

"How you or I feel about society's values doesn't matter."

That's because you are an authoritarian. Imagine thinking your morals are irrelevant if the government decides they are wrong.

"you're barely employable in today's labor market and likely unemployable in the future. At least for high paying, high profile jobs."

Major corporations across the country are preaching anti-white doctrine. The morals that make one employable at these despicable companies should be irrelevant in how someone raises their children. The fact that you use this benchmark as guidance for your authoritarian agenda is why your ideology is inferior to freedom based systems.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1454157403880976391?s=20

Preparing them to be employable at the anti-white corporations. It's authoritarian to deny them this education.

[ElNono]

Authoritarian is the government forcing children that are not theirs to go to schools that they have blindly determined were better than what their parents decided. It's moronic to position choices made by families as authoritarian.

Under your authoritarian nanny state the government is controlling everything from education, nutrition, and physical activities they deem too dangerous until children have fully formed brains in their mid 20s.

Your're the poster child for why what you preach has always been a terrible idea. You went from BernieBro to Nazi, do not stop at go, do not collect $200.

People change, and when they lack brains and/or personality, they can change in a whim. That's the example you want to set to your children?

That's why we try to expose children growing up to real life, history, conflict, peers, etc, so they can be productive members of the society they're going to live in, instead of being sad, whiny lifetime carriers of the victim card.


"How you or I feel about society's values doesn't matter."

That's because you are an authoritarian. Imagine thinking your morals are irrelevant if the government decides they are wrong.

No, I'm a realist. Everybody has an opinion about any given set of values or societal rules du jour. Yet everybody also has to go out the door, go to work and make ends meet.

Being in denial of the society you live in doesn't change it. I adapt to the society I have to live and work in, you whine, whine, whine... that's primarily the difference.

It has zero to do with trying to crowbar "authoritarian" in every post, but recognizing we live in a societal compact, whether you or I like it or not.

More productive would be for you to move to Alabama and enjoy the bona fides of an archaic society tilted towards ignorance and white-power.


"you're barely employable in today's labor market and likely unemployable in the future. At least for high paying, high profile jobs."

Major corporations across the country are preaching anti-white doctrine. The morals that make one employable at these despicable companies should be irrelevant in how someone raises their children. The fact that you use this benchmark as guidance for your authoritarian agenda is why your ideology is inferior to freedom based systems.

Again, nobody, especially these companies, care about your whiny victimhood card, revisionist history or your "values" at this point in time. They deal in historical fact and real life studies, not anecdotal tweets from retards. They adapt to the society around them because they have to conduct business in it.

You want to get a job there and keep it, you know the ground rules beforehand. If you don't want to work there, you have the freedum to head to the 7/11 around the corner or a lifetime of joy working in McDonalds. Or you can opt to be whitetrash living in the trailer park collecting dem checks from the gubmint. See? lots of freedoms.

For the kids, it would be good that they understand how this society works and what their choices will lead to. Because mommy or daddy are retarded and a failure, it doesn't mean they have to be, that's the barrier that we're trying to break here.


https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1454157403880976391?s=20

Preparing them to be employable at the anti-white corporations. It's authoritarian to deny them this education.

:lmao Exhibit A supporting my post.

[Nathan89]

Your're the poster child for why what you preach has always been a terrible idea. You went from BernieBro to Nazi, do not stop at go, do not collect $200.

People change, and when they lack brains and/or personality, they can change in a whim. That's the example you want to set to your children?

That's why we try to expose children growing up to real life, history, conflict, peers, etc, so they can be productive members of the society they're going to live in, instead of being sad, whiny lifetime carriers of the victim card.


No, I'm a realist. Everybody has an opinion about any given set of values or societal rules du jour. Yet everybody also has to go out the door, go to work and make ends meet.

Being in denial of the society you live in doesn't change it. I adapt to the society I have to live and work in, you whine, whine, whine... that's primarily the difference.

It has zero to do with trying to crowbar "authoritarian" in every post, but recognizing we live in a societal compact, whether you or I like it or not.

More productive would be for you to move to Alabama and enjoy the bona fides of an archaic society tilted towards ignorance and white-power.



Again, nobody, especially these companies, care about your whiny victimhood card, revisionist history or your "values" at this point in time. They deal in historical fact and real life studies, not anecdotal tweets from retards. They adapt to the society around them because they have to conduct business in it.

You want to get a job there and keep it, you know the ground rules beforehand. If you don't want to work there, you have the freedum to head to the 7/11 around the corner or a lifetime of joy working in McDonalds. Or you can opt to be whitetrash living in the trailer park collecting dem checks from the gubmint. See? lots of freedoms.

For the kids, it would be good that they understand how this society works and what their choices will lead to. Because mommy or daddy are retarded and a failure, it doesn't mean they have to be, that's the barrier that we're trying to break here.

No, I'm a realist. Everybody has an opinion about any given set of values or societal rules du jour. Yet everybody also has to go out the door, go to work and make ends meet.


"You're the poster child for why what you preach has always been a terrible idea."

I went through the public education system. I preach against the public education system.

"People change, and when they lack brains and/or personality, they can change in a whim. That's the example you want to set to your children?"

You're blindly asserting "in a whim". You don't know where I was at politically previously and exaggerate me now as a "nazi". There is really no substance to your argument beyond the general direction because you don't know any details plus you engage in bad faith. But yes, I want children to be able to look at reality of politics and not be trapped like a cult member.

"That's why we try to expose children growing up to real life, history, conflict, peers, etc, so they can be productive members of the society they're going to live in, instead of being sad, whiny lifetime carriers of the victim card."

College students across the country are asking for racial segregated spaces/graduations, trigger warnings, etc. The number one grievance for leftist feminists for decades is a wage gap myth. Black Americans think cops are hunting them down orders of magnitude beyond reality. Save me the bullshit about exposing children to reality and not having them be "lifetime carriers of the victim card".

"No, I'm a realist. Everybody has an opinion about any given set of values or societal rules du jour. Yet everybody also has to go out the door, go to work and make ends meet."

No, you support an authoritarian system. I support a system based on freedom. The morals of the public education system and the corporations that you want as the blueprint for the government to impose on the children of others is unethical. Even if you disagree with that reality my system allows opportunity for diverse set of views that could be the agent of change against unethical teachings. Your authoritarian system does not provide such defenses. Your authoritarian system simply doesn't function as well as a freedom based system.

It's not your responsibility to be concerned out about the future of others. They can start their own businesses. They can start their own communities. They can move to other countries.

"Being in denial of the society you live in doesn't change it. I adapt to the society I have to live and work in, you whine, whine, whine... that's primarily the difference."

Anyone can bend the knee to society if they choose. You don't need the public education system to do that. Living life on your own terms that oppose the grain of society does not require "denial of the society you live in". The people that oppose certain aspects of society are usually quite aware of what they oppose.

"Again, nobody, especially these companies, care about your whiny victimhood card, revisionist history or your "values" at this point in time. They deal in historical fact and real life studies, not anecdotal tweets from retards. They adapt to the society around them because they have to conduct business in it."

Businesses adapt to what is popular. You want to shape your morals based that. That's pure idiocy.

"For the kids, it would be good that they understand how this society works and what their choices will lead to. Because mommy or daddy are retarded and a failure, it doesn't mean they have to be, that's the barrier that we're trying to break here."

Again you are not responsible for imposing what "is popular" as the morals for the children of others. That's your authoritarian nature. And the systems you build on that basis will not function.

[ElNono]

"You're the poster child for why what you preach has always been a terrible idea."

I went through the public education system. I preach against the public education system.

"People change, and when they lack brains and/or personality, they can change in a whim. That's the example you want to set to your children?"

You're blindly asserting "in a whim". You don't know where I was at politically previously and exaggerate me now as a "nazi". There is really no substance to your argument beyond the general direction because you don't know any details plus you engage in bad faith. But yes, I want children to be able to look at reality of politics and not be trapped like a cult member.

You were here all the time, we can go look up your posts if you haven't deleted them yet out of embarrassment. We don't need the revisionist version, it's here for everyone to see.

Calling other people "cult members" because you're in a cult doesn't make them cult members. You need to be in the fringe, that's what makes it a cult. You're in the fringe, most everyone else is not.


"That's why we try to expose children growing up to real life, history, conflict, peers, etc, so they can be productive members of the society they're going to live in, instead of being sad, whiny lifetime carriers of the victim card."

College students across the country are asking for racial segregated spaces/graduations, trigger warnings, etc. The number one grievance for leftist feminists for decades is a wage gap myth. Black Americans think cops are hunting them down orders of magnitude beyond reality. Save me the bullshit about exposing children to reality and not having them be "lifetime carriers of the victim card".

Anecdote after anecdote. This is what happens when you're groomed by a cult and stop thinking for yourself.


"No, I'm a realist. Everybody has an opinion about any given set of values or societal rules du jour. Yet everybody also has to go out the door, go to work and make ends meet."

No, you support an authoritarian system. I support a system based on freedom. The morals of the public education system and the corporations that you want as the blueprint for the government to impose on the children of others is unethical. Even if you disagree with that reality my system allows opportunity for diverse set of views that could be the agent of change against unethical teachings. Your authoritarian system does not provide such defenses. Your authoritarian system simply doesn't function as well as a freedom based system.

It's not your responsibility to be concerned out about the future of others. They can start their own businesses. They can start their own communities. They can move to other countries.

It's not my responsibility? Is that what you plan to teach your children? This is exactly what I'm talking about being unprepared to face the society we live in.

Also a completely hypocritical claim that flies in the face of the constant whining you do every time you post. If it's not your responsibility, why are you here constantly whining to random people on the internet?

This is a social compact, and it has always been. That implicitly means that we're not a bunch of loners, we're a group of people working together towards what we feel generally is a better future.

We can agree or disagree what "better" means, but, once again, pretending to be in denial doesn't change anything.

The fact that you have no idea how a society works doesn't escape me, but future children don't have to suffer for it.

And :lol @ still trying to crowbar in "authoritarian" in every post.


"Being in denial of the society you live in doesn't change it. I adapt to the society I have to live and work in, you whine, whine, whine... that's primarily the difference."

Anyone can bend the knee to society if they choose. You don't need the public education system to do that. Living life on your own terms that oppose the grain of society does not require "denial of the society you live in". The people that oppose certain aspects of society are usually quite aware of what they oppose.

"Again, nobody, especially these companies, care about your whiny victimhood card, revisionist history or your "values" at this point in time. They deal in historical fact and real life studies, not anecdotal tweets from retards. They adapt to the society around them because they have to conduct business in it."

Businesses adapt to what is popular. You want to shape your morals based that. That's pure idiocy.

Nothing like that. There are plenty of moral codes that I don't agree with it in this society. Yet I learned a long time ago life isn't about everything I want, but what I can get.

It's part of growing up as an individual, hopefully you get there sometime, tbh...

Idiocy is making the same mistake over and over and expecting a different result. ie: you can keep whining about this perceived "reverse racism" and hope one day people don't continue to laugh in your face. Spoiler: it's not happening.


"For the kids, it would be good that they understand how this society works and what their choices will lead to. Because mommy or daddy are retarded and a failure, it doesn't mean they have to be, that's the barrier that we're trying to break here."

Again you are not responsible for imposing what "is popular" as the morals for the children of others. That's your authoritarian nature. And the systems you build on that basis will not function.

I never claimed to be responsible for imposing anything, that's your strawman.

What I said is that being in denial of the society around you is materially stupid and has consequences that directly affect you, whether you want to assume responsibility for it or not.

Accountability for your own decisions is unavoidable. You want the freedom to hate, but not deal with the consequences, that's just not how society works, sorry.

[Nathan89]

You were here all the time, we can go look up your posts if you haven't deleted them yet out of embarrassment. We don't need the revisionist version, it's here for everyone to see.

Calling other people "cult members" because you're in a cult doesn't make them cult members. You need to be in the fringe, that's what makes it a cult. You're in the fringe, most everyone else is not.



Anecdote after anecdote. This is what happens when you're groomed by a cult and stop thinking for yourself.



It's not my responsibility? Is that what you plan to teach your children? This is exactly what I'm talking about being unprepared to face the society we live in.

Also a completely hypocritical claim that flies in the face of the constant whining you do every time you post. If it's not your responsibility, why are you here constantly whining to random people on the internet?

This is a social compact, and it has always been. That implicitly means that we're not a bunch of loners, we're a group of people working together towards what we feel generally is a better future.

We can agree or disagree what "better" means, but, once again, pretending to be in denial doesn't change anything.

The fact that you have no idea how a society works doesn't escape me, but future children don't have to suffer for it.

And :lol @ still trying to crowbar in "authoritarian" in every post.



Nothing like that. There are plenty of moral codes that I don't agree with it in this society. Yet I learned a long time ago life isn't about everything I want, but what I can get.

It's part of growing up as an individual, hopefully you get there sometime, tbh...

Idiocy is making the same mistake over and over and expecting a different result. ie: you can keep whining about this perceived "reverse racism" and hope one day people don't continue to laugh in your face. Spoiler: it's not happening.

I never claimed to be responsible for imposing anything, that's your strawman.

What I said is that being in denial of the society around you is materially stupid and has consequences that directly affect you, whether you want to assume responsibility for it or not.

Accountability for your own decisions is unavoidable. You want the freedom to hate, but not deal with the consequences, that's just not how society works, sorry.

"You were here all the time, we can go look up your posts if you haven't deleted them yet out of embarrassment. We don't need the revisionist version, it's here for everyone to see."

I barely if ever posted in the political forum at that period of time. I honestly don't recall posting here at all back then. I did have a signature attached to my posts though. I'm pretty sure I spent all my time in the spurs/nba forum back then.

"Anecdote after anecdote."

There is a laundry list of examples. Nobody is showing any signs of dispelling falsehoods. They don't care about people carrying lifelong victim cards and exposing people to reality as you suggest. They care about the outrage that gets them to vote for Dems.

"It's not my responsibility? Is that what you plan to teach your children?"

No, it's not your responsibility to dictate the education choices of the children of other people. You can make that choice for your own family.

"Also a completely hypocritical claim that flies in the face of the constant whining you do every time you post. If it's not your responsibility, why are you here constantly whining to random people on the internet?"

I try to make posts about public education. I deliberately skip stories about private schools(although I'm fine with shining light on their ideological propaganda as well).

"This is a social compact, and it has always been. That implicitly means that we're not a bunch of loners, we're a group of people working together towards what we feel generally is a better future."

I don't share your bond to the "social compact". We live in a increasingly polarizing country so that comes with it. If public education wants to infuse ideological nonsense it's foolish to expect people to send their kids there because "this is a social compact". I'm not a fan of the general effectiveness of public education even without that tbh.

"still trying to crowbar in "authoritarian" in every post."

Authoritarian in the appropriate term for someone that wants to force the children of other people to go to a government school.

"Idiocy is making the same mistake over and over and expecting a different result. ie: you can keep whining about this perceived "reverse racism" and hope one day people don't continue to laugh in your face. Spoiler: it's not happening."

I talk about racism. You don't take it seriously because it goes against the narrative of your cult. Taking the racism I talk about seriously is not in your political interests. There is a reason your group would rather discuss falsehoods than actual stories that go against their narrative. This inability to look at things consistently is why the public education system needs to dial things back and focus on the basics that they already are unable to teach adequately.

"What I said is that being in denial of the society around you is materially stupid and has consequences that directly affect you, whether you want to assume responsibility for it or not."

I'm well aware of many aspects of society "around me". I oppose a lot of it and education systems built on more freedom is an essential defense to it. That's why you oppose systems that provide more freedom.

[ElNono]

"You were here all the time, we can go look up your posts if you haven't deleted them yet out of embarrassment. We don't need the revisionist version, it's here for everyone to see."

I barely if ever posted in the political forum at that period of time. I honestly don't recall posting here at all back then. I did have a signature attached to my posts though. I'm pretty sure I spent all my time in the spurs/nba forum back then.

Sure you did, it was during the Democrat primaries. Again, no need for revisionism, the posts are here. Or are you going to deny you were a BernieBro back then and not six months later a Trumptard?


"Anecdote after anecdote."

There is a laundry list of examples. Nobody is showing any signs of dispelling falsehoods. They don't care about people carrying lifelong victim cards and exposing people to reality as you suggest. They care about the outrage that gets them to vote for Dems.

Sure people are dispelling falsehoods. Every day. You just opt to live in denial. And when you find an outlier, you attach to it and pretend it's the norm.

Look at the reality around you. You might not like it, but it's not really mysterious.


"It's not my responsibility? Is that what you plan to teach your children?"

No, it's not your responsibility to dictate the education choices of the children of other people. You can make that choice for your own family.

"Also a completely hypocritical claim that flies in the face of the constant whining you do every time you post. If it's not your responsibility, why are you here constantly whining to random people on the internet?"

I try to make posts about public education. I deliberately skip stories about private schools(although I'm fine with shining light on their ideological propaganda as well).

Baloney, and you know it. You know society is shunning you and your values and ideas, and you speak out. You have zero problems telling other people how they should live their lives.

Furthermore, I'm not telling people to change. I'm telling people not to ruin their kids' lives (and you can go back on this entire conversation and that holds true throughout).

I'm not against homeschooling either, I'm against homeschooling in it's current shape and form, where there's no guarantees the kids are actually getting a good, thorough education.

There are simply people too deluded that think they know better, and at the end of the day it's the entire society that has to pay the price for their incompetence. It's not the kid's fault either.


"This is a social compact, and it has always been. That implicitly means that we're not a bunch of loners, we're a group of people working together towards what we feel generally is a better future."

I don't share your bond to the "social compact". We live in a increasingly polarizing country so that comes with it. If public education wants to infuse ideological nonsense it's foolish to expect people to send their kids there because "this is a social compact". I'm not a fan of the general effectiveness of public education even without that tbh.

You chose that bond when you decided to live in this society. So you play by the society's rules. This goes exactly to what I was referring to earlier. You made that choice already, you just don't want the consequences that come with that choice.

It would be too easy to go murder somebody and then claim "well, I don't really accept this society's laws". This is like people claiming that tax law doesn't apply to them.

It's a stupid and false premise that has no bearing, legally or otherwise, in real life. If you don't like to live in a society, go live in the jungle or the mountains and see how it works out for you. You can educate your children there as well without somebody caring if your child is getting a good education or not.


"still trying to crowbar in "authoritarian" in every post."

Authoritarian in the appropriate term for someone that wants to force the children of other people to go to a government school.

More strawman. I dare you quote me saying I want to force children to go to public school? Go ahead, I'll wait.

This conversation started because somebody claimed that she was better qualified to educate children than a public school teacher. I asked her under what authority she makes that claim. She hasn't responded yet, and I doubt she will.

Furthermore, there are additional problems with homeschooling and it's lack of regulation as well, which need to be addressed.


"Idiocy is making the same mistake over and over and expecting a different result. ie: you can keep whining about this perceived "reverse racism" and hope one day people don't continue to laugh in your face. Spoiler: it's not happening."

I talk about racism. You don't take it seriously because it goes against the narrative of your cult. Taking the racism I talk about seriously is not in your political interests. There is a reason your group would rather discuss falsehoods than actual stories that go against their narrative. This inability to look at things consistently is why the public education system needs to dial things back and focus on the basics that they already are unable to teach adequately.

No, actually, I can't take that flavor of racism you spout seriously because there's simply no evidence that it generally exists. There might me an isolated incident here or there, but it's existence as an actual problems bears towards zero very quickly.

For example, as a person that passes very well for a white person, I enjoy white privilege very much. It's a tangible, every day occurrence. It's wrong, and it needs to end, but we haven't gotten there yet. I think odds are we will, especially once white people become a minority.


"What I said is that being in denial of the society around you is materially stupid and has consequences that directly affect you, whether you want to assume responsibility for it or not."

I'm well aware of many aspects of society "around me". I oppose a lot of it and education systems built on more freedom is an essential defense to it. That's why you oppose systems that provide more freedom.

I listed plenty of freedoms based on the choices you make in education, you just don't like the outcomes. You want the cake and you want to eat it too. Society doesn't work that way. Poor choices generally lead to bad consequences.

[hater]

Elnono doing work :wow

Didnt read but the wall of text looks cool

Props ma salvadorian homie. :tu

[Nathan89]

Sure you did, it was during the Democrat primaries. Again, no need for revisionism, the posts are here. Or are you going to deny you were a BernieBro back then and not six months later a Trumptard?



Sure people are dispelling falsehoods. Every day. You just opt to live in denial. And when you find an outlier, you attach to it and pretend it's the norm.

Look at the reality around you. You might not like it, but it's not really mysterious.



Baloney, and you know it. You know society is shunning you and your values and ideas, and you speak out. You have zero problems telling other people how they should live their lives.

Furthermore, I'm not telling people to change. I'm telling people not to ruin their kids' lives (and you can go back on this entire conversation and that holds true throughout).

I'm not against homeschooling either, I'm against homeschooling in it's current shape and form, where there's no guarantees the kids are actually getting a good, thorough education.

There are simply people too deluded that think they know better, and at the end of the day it's the entire society that has to pay the price for their incompetence. It's not the kid's fault either.



You chose that bond when you decided to live in this society. So you play by the society's rules. This goes exactly to what I was referring to earlier. You made that choice already, you just don't want the consequences that come with that choice.

It would be too easy to go murder somebody and then claim "well, I don't really accept this society's laws". This is like people claiming that tax law doesn't apply to them.

It's a stupid and false premise that has no bearing, legally or otherwise, in real life. If you don't like to live in a society, go live in the jungle or the mountains and see how it works out for you. You can educate your children there as well without somebody caring if your child is getting a good education or not.



More strawman. I dare you quote me saying I want to force children to go to public school? Go ahead, I'll wait.

This conversation started because somebody claimed that she was better qualified to educate children than a public school teacher. I asked her under what authority she makes that claim. She hasn't responded yet, and I doubt she will.

Furthermore, there are additional problems with homeschooling and it's lack of regulation as well, which need to be addressed.



No, actually, I can't take that flavor of racism you spout seriously because there's simply no evidence that it generally exists. There might me an isolated incident here or there, but it's existence as an actual problems bears towards zero very quickly.

For example, as a person that passes very well for a white person, I enjoy white privilege very much. It's a tangible, every day occurrence. It's wrong, and it needs to end, but we haven't gotten there yet. I think odds are we will, especially once white people become a minority.



I listed plenty of freedoms based on the choices you make in education, you just don't like the outcomes. You want the cake and you want to eat it too. Society doesn't work that way. Poor choices generally lead to bad consequences.

I didn't deny anything. I don't remember posting much or at all in this forum back then. I doubt you have a thorough assessment of my stances. You have much more information now and your assessment is "nazi" so in reality you have an inability to assess others accurately.

They aren't outliers. These falsehoods are the tent poles of the left that they refuse to take down because the outrage serves their agenda.

I have zero problem shining light on ideology of others. I don't build systems of government to force the children of others to go to government schools.

"Not ruining their children" is the goal that most parents prioritize when they take their kids out of government schools.

Government schools don't provide a "Good thorough education".

"There are simply people too deluded that think they know better, and at the end of the day it's the entire society that has to pay the price for their incompetence. It's not the kid's fault either"

Freedom has consequences. A free system is also more flexible which minimizes problems of a failed rigid system. That's why it's preferable.

"You chose that bond when you decided to live in this society. So you play by the society's rules."

We are discussing the rules currently. I want a freedom based society and you seemingly oppose it.

"This conversation started because somebody claimed that she was better qualified to educate children than a public school teacher."

I wouldn't doubt it. I'd rate myself above 80-90% of teachers. In reality you can be less qualified if you are willing to give more individual focus. It's difficult to quantify that to internet gatekeepers that think they know what's best for the children of others.

"Furthermore, there are additional problems with homeschooling and it's lack of regulation as well, which need to be addressed"

Focusing on the problems of the government education system would be far more effective at helping children at scale.

"For example, as a person that passes very well for a white person, I enjoy white privilege very much. It's a tangible, every day occurrence."

Thanks for your subjective anecdote.

[DMC]

Devil's advocate here - aborting your kid is your choice, teaching them isn't. You don't want to ruin their lives.

[hater]

Devil's advocate here - aborting your kid is your choice, teaching them isn't. You don't want to ruin their lives.

Also the kid can choose their gender at 5 years old.

But God forbid you choose what books they can read :lol

[hater]

Mclownlife :lmao

Only in hollywood Ive seen such a turnaround in an election :lmao

Got damn

What a fucking tool.:lol

https://twitter.com/stusandler/status/1454806485742112768?s=19

[hater]

:lol Brandon

https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1454010117632905221?s=19

[hater]

:lol Obomba

https://twitter.com/kandibar2011/status/1454276322138759168?s=19

If this hold it would be a major asswiping :lol

[hater]

https://twitter.com/FuturesTip/status/1454664050688864257?s=19

[Thread]

:lol Obomba

https://twitter.com/kandibar2011/status/1454276322138759168?s=19

If this hold it would be a major asswiping :lol

Unless & until we start mailing it in we'll suffer accordingly.

[rmt]

"shall have a new birth of freedom and that government of the people, by the people, for the people" - except for what's being taught to our kids.

[DMC]

Also the kid can choose their gender at 5 years old.

But God forbid you choose what books they can read :lol

It seems the underlying goal is to build a society that agrees with your opinions instead of just ensuring freedom of thought. Removing the opposition is the key and you do that while they are young and minds are malleable. So you either kill them in the womb or you brainwash them into your thought process.


As I said, political correctness is intellectual fascism.

[Nathan89]

It's basically child abuse if you aren't imposing the morals of corporations on your children. You simply aren't getting them ready to be employed. Therefore they need government education to impose the morals that make them employable at said corporations.

[Thread]

It's basically child abuse if you aren't imposing the morals of corporations on your children. You simply aren't getting them ready to be employed. Therefore they need government education to impose the morals that make them employable at said corporations.

Nathan

[hater]

It's basically child abuse if you aren't imposing the morals of corporations on your children. You simply aren't getting them ready to be employed. Therefore they need government education to impose the morals that make them employable at said corporations.

The American Dream

[Adam Lambert]

It seems the underlying goal is to build a society that agrees with your opinions instead of just ensuring freedom of thought. Removing the opposition is the key and you do that while they are young and minds are malleable.

The Pledge of Allegiance says hi.

[Winehole23]

It seems the underlying goal is to build a society that agrees with your opinions instead of just ensuring freedom of thought. Removing the opposition is the key and you do that while they are young and minds are malleable. So you either kill them in the womb or you brainwash them into your thought process.


As I said, political correctness is intellectual fascism.University of Florida says hi


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FC6b0QRWEAAKYQb?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FC9hShQVcAUAPpJ?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/DeAngelisCorey/status/1454822367658659840?s=20:lmao

[Winehole23]

The Pledge of Allegiance says hi.Bowdlerizing all references to slavery, Reconstruction, race massacres, civil rights and racism in the curriculum is itself a sort of social conformity and indoctrination, tbh. Whereas the reverse prepares young people to live in America, warts and all.

[ChumpDumper]

I talk about racism.Do you consider blacks your equals?

Yes or no.

[spurraider21]

Didnt read but the wall of text looks cool
funny. this is how you treat all the articles you link us too

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/DeAngelisCorey/status/1454822367658659840?s=20:lmao
school choice bad now

[DMC]

The Pledge of Allegiance says hi.

Written by a socialist.

[DMC]

school choice bad now

It's a bit dishonest to say "we have a great school system" but then not use public schools for your own kids. If you want to say private schools are part of the school system, that's fine, but maybe when public schools are under fire don't defend them by lumping them in with schools you freely chose over them.

[spurraider21]

It's a bit dishonest to say "we have a great school system" but then not use public schools for your own kids. If you want to say private schools are part of the school system, that's fine, but maybe when public schools are under fire don't defend them by lumping them in with schools you freely chose over them.
thats not dishonest, though. having a good public school system and using private school are not mutually exclusive. and of course private schools are part of the school system. they still have to meet state standards to be accredited as far as im aware

[ElNono]

I didn't deny anything. I don't remember posting much or at all in this forum back then. I doubt you have a thorough assessment of my stances. You have much more information now and your assessment is "nazi" so in reality you have an inability to assess others accurately.

It doesn't matter how much you posted back then as far as the point I made, other than proving what I said was correct. We're also not talking moving center to left or center to right. We're talking one edge to the other, which illustrates exactly what I mean.

And if you opt to tweet and agree with admitted Nazis, Nazi apologists, etc, the logical conclusion is you subscribe to that, or you're terribly dumb and ignorant. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, and going with the former and not the later. Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, etc.

I'll let readers, via my post history, decide what my ability to asses others looks like.


They aren't outliers. These falsehoods are the tent poles of the left that they refuse to take down because the outrage serves their agenda.

No, they are definitely outliers, and in most cases outright falsehoods to bait for reactions. The fact that you keep falling for them doesn't mean that's the norm or anywhere near it.


I have zero problem shining light on ideology of others. I don't build systems of government to force the children of others to go to government schools.

Again, what you want is immaterial. You choose to live in a society, you deal with the consequences of that choice. If you don't want to abide by it's rules, abandon society. see? freedom!


"Not ruining their children" is the goal that most parents prioritize when they take their kids out of government schools.

Government schools don't provide a "Good thorough education".

False according to the actual parents that do not send their kids to public school. Unlike you, that made the claim out of thin air, I supported the claim as well.


"There are simply people too deluded that think they know better, and at the end of the day it's the entire society that has to pay the price for their incompetence. It's not the kid's fault either"

Freedom has consequences. A free system is also more flexible which minimizes problems of a failed rigid system. That's why it's preferable.

lol no, this isn't a free for all and demonstrably so. This is like arguing that you should have the freedom to abuse your children, completely stupid argument and false to boot.

Again, you choose to be part of a society that protects children and your rights as a parent are not infinite.

In addition, nothing precludes the parent from augmenting the education their children get in a public school at home. freedom!


"You chose that bond when you decided to live in this society. So you play by the society's rules."

We are discussing the rules currently. I want a freedom based society and you seemingly oppose it.

Nice dodge attempt. We're discussing the society you currently live in and it's rules.

You can bitch all you want about the rules you don't like, but you have to go out there and live in it and bend over to it's rules every day.

You're consciously making that choice, your choice every day you live in this society.

How you feel about the rules is immaterial, because whining about them never changed them. So it's effectively a waste of time.


"This conversation started because somebody claimed that she was better qualified to educate children than a public school teacher."

I wouldn't doubt it. I'd rate myself above 80-90% of teachers. In reality you can be less qualified if you are willing to give more individual focus. It's difficult to quantify that to internet gatekeepers that think they know what's best for the children of others.

This isn't seeking an opinion, but the credentials to make that claim. You can also think you're above 80-90% of rocket scientists despite only playing with firecrackers. It's meaningless, and very likely wrong.

So what are your credentials to make that claim? Back it up.


"Furthermore, there are additional problems with homeschooling and it's lack of regulation as well, which need to be addressed"

Focusing on the problems of the government education system would be far more effective at helping children at scale.

This is another attempt to switch the subject via whataboutism.

If you don't want to address homeschooling's lack of oversight and regulation and the impact that has on children, and the cost it ultimately bears on society as a whole, just say so.

I mean, you've already been cherry picking what to answer to, so might as well skip this one as well.


"For example, as a person that passes very well for a white person, I enjoy white privilege very much. It's a tangible, every day occurrence."

Thanks for your subjective anecdote.

You're welcome. How about answering the rest of that paragraph? Cherry-picking is not a good look, tbh.

[ElNono]

Devil's advocate here - aborting your kid is your choice, teaching them isn't. You don't want to ruin their lives.

Abortion is a time-limited choice. There are simply two competing interests at play there, and that's what makes it a complicated matter.

One of them is the actual state interest in the health of the mother and eventual unborn, which after a certain amount of time preempts the host's right to make their own health decisions.

But, yeah, I suspect it's very difficult to the freedum advocates to explain that one out.

[ElNono]

"shall have a new birth of freedom and that government of the people, by the people, for the people" - except for what's being taught to our kids.

Cherry picking quotes from 1863 out of context doesn't answer the question you ignored...

[ElNono]

It seems the underlying goal is to build a society that agrees with your opinions instead of just ensuring freedom of thought. Removing the opposition is the key and you do that while they are young and minds are malleable. So you either kill them in the womb or you brainwash them into your thought process.

As I said, political correctness is intellectual fascism.

But that's exactly what homeschooling is. It's removing the children from the society around them, different opinions and experiences, with the primary goal to indoctrinate them into some archaic values that largely no longer hold in our society.

It's basically a model based on church schools, but actually worse. The child and society are ultimately who pay the price for that.

[ElNono]

It's basically child abuse if you aren't imposing the morals of corporations on your children. You simply aren't getting them ready to be employed. Therefore they need government education to impose the morals that make them employable at said corporations.

I mean, you can make this same argument defending slavery. It's nonsense. And it's not morals, it's the law. We have anti-discrimination laws in the books and employers are held to account for them. That's why they avoid liabilities.

But, do tell what's your solution to this considering you're in the minority? Doing away with discrimination laws won't put the cat back in the bag. We've largely moved on as a society well past discrimination, and socially shunning racists, xenophobes, etc is largely the norm.

So what's your solution to this? Ruining a children's life that will have to live in that society clearly is not a solution.

[DMC]

thats not dishonest, though. having a good public school system and using private school are not mutually exclusive. and of course private schools are part of the school system. they still have to meet state standards to be accredited as far as im aware

You disagree with my statement then go on to talk about something I didn't even say :lol You moved the goalpost again.

I said it's dishonest to use private school results to defend or grade public schools.

[Nathan89]

But that's exactly what homeschooling is. It's removing the children from the society around them, different opinions and experiences, with the primary goal to indoctrinate them into some archaic values that largely no longer hold in our society.

It's basically a model based on church schools, but actually worse. The child and society are ultimately who pay the price for that.

You don't own the children of others. The left is terrified like a cult of different world views. The people chasing speakers off college campuses now want to control the education of kids under the facade that they care about "different opinions and experiences".

"with the primary goal to indoctrinate them into some archaic values that largely no longer hold in our society."

Good thing we have authoritarians to declare what values we must impose on our children.

[DMC]

Abortion is a time-limited choice. There are simply two competing interests at play there, and that's what makes it a complicated matter.

One of them is the actual state interest in the health of the mother and eventual unborn, which after a certain amount of time preempts the host's right to make their own health decisions.

But, yeah, I suspect it's very difficult to the freedum advocates to explain that one out.

I don't understand the exception you made about being time limited. It's only time limited for the parent. It's forever for the fetus. Also, teaching your kids is time limited.

You cannot force your 21 year old to go to school, so that also pre-empts the hosts right to make "their own" teaching decisions.

Did you intentionally misspell "freedum" to insinuate freedom is different if you vote red instead of blue?

[DMC]

But that's exactly what homeschooling is. It's removing the children from the society around them, different opinions and experiences, with the primary goal to indoctrinate them into some archaic values that largely no longer hold in our society.

It's basically a model based on church schools, but actually worse. The child and society are ultimately who pay the price for that.

It's ok to remove your own kids from the society around them, is it not?

Are you saying that children should not be raised by their own parents in fear they might learn some of their archaic values? Is this only true for children of conservative parents?

How did it work while schools were closed? Did the US regress to the stone age?

There's a weird inconsistency here. On one hand separating kids from their parents at the border due to safety and health reasons is bad. On the other separate kids from the parents in the US due to educational reasons is good.

[Nathan89]

I mean, you can make this same argument defending slavery. It's nonsense. And it's not morals, it's the law. We have anti-discrimination laws in the books and employers are held to account for them. That's why they avoid liabilities.

But, do tell what's your solution to this considering you're in the minority? Doing away with discrimination laws won't put the cat back in the bag. We've largely moved on as a society well past discrimination, and socially shunning racists, xenophobes, etc is largely the norm.

So what's your solution to this? Ruining a children's life that will have to live in that society clearly is not a solution.

"But, do tell what's your solution to this considering you're in the minority?"

Flexible freedom based systems. Systems far superior than the rigid system you want because you want to indoctrinate the children of others.

"So what's your solution to this? Ruining a children's life that will have to live in that society clearly is not a solution."

That's your opinion. People are ruining their children by letting them consume a constant flow of entertainment. It's not the role of authoritarians like you to impose on the children of others.

[ElNono]

I don't understand the exception you made about being time limited. It's only time limited for the parent. It's forever for the fetus. Also, teaching your kids is time limited.

You cannot force your 21 year old to go to school, so that also pre-empts the hosts right to make "their own" teaching decisions.

Because the mother's right is the one being infringed upon and time-limited in that case. The fetus effectively has no rights until born (at least that's what the SCOTUS said).

The arguments States make against abortion is that they have an interest in the health of the mother and eventual unborn that trumps the individual right of the mother.

As most of us know, one right is not more important than another. Thus, in the case of abortion a solomonic compromise was reached.

There's nothing comparable in the education realm. The child has rights of his own (so does the parent), etc. Custody of the children can be removed at any time from the State for given violations of the law. Completely different scenario.


Did you intentionally misspell "freedum" to insinuate freedom is different if you vote red instead of blue?

I intentionally misspelled freedom to differentiate those that understand the difference between actual freedom within the framework of our laws and society vs the intellectually dishonest that invoke freedom as a crutch to justify their hate, racism, xenophobia.

[ElNono]

It's ok to remove your own kids from the society around them, is it not?

Are you saying that children should not be raised by their own parents in fear they might learn some of their archaic values? Is this only true for children of conservative parents?

How did it work while schools were closed? Did the US regress to the stone age?

There's a weird inconsistency here. On one hand separating kids from their parents at the border due to safety and health reasons is bad. On the other separate kids from the parents in the US due to educational reasons is good.

There's no inconsistency. As I pointed out, I didn't advocate for no homeschooling, but no homeschooling in it's current form.

There's simply no oversight to actually tell whether parents are qualified to teach children and provide them with a solid education.

I don't mind parents teaching them useless values (you could even argue that happens in public school as well), eventually the child will figure out that was worthless.

What can't happen is those children not getting the rest of the education they need to be productive members of society.

As I already pointed out, when that child becomes an adult and is unemployable, it's society as a whole that bears that burden.

While schools were closed the vast majority of them moved online, and classes continued remotely. It lacked the social interaction factor, which everyone agrees is far from ideal, but we actually had a health emergency. It's definitely not the norm.

We have literal decades if not centuries building an improving educational systems, updating them year after year as society moves forward. The curriculum nowadays has little resemblance to what was taught in the 1950's, for example.

Also, the border/education analogy is simply nowhere near the same ballpark. Separation at the border means they're still searching for the parents and kids to reunite them. Kids going to public school spend half a day outside the house, see their parent daily, sleep in the same house, spend weekends together. Like, not even close.

[ElNono]

"But, do tell what's your solution to this considering you're in the minority?"

Flexible freedom based systems. Systems far superior than the rigid system you want because you want to indoctrinate the children of others.

This is a term you made up. Describe it. Also does not address how you being in the minority can compel such system.


"So what's your solution to this? Ruining a children's life that will have to live in that society clearly is not a solution."

That's your opinion. People are ruining their children by letting them consume a constant flow of entertainment. It's not the role of authoritarians like you to impose on the children of others.

No, it's not an opinion. It's a fact that ruining a child's life is never a solution, no matter the problem. Whataboustism is also not an answer either. Gather your thoughts, and try again.

[Nathan89]

This is a term you made up. Describe it. Also does not address how you being in the minority can compel such system.



No, it's not an opinion. It's a fact that ruining a child's life is never a solution, no matter the problem. Whataboustism is also not an answer either. Gather your thoughts, and try again.

The opinion is your subjective view of what is going to ruin someones life.

Whataboutism is leftist nonsense to deflect from similar logic being applied elsewhere. Your authoritarian worldview applied elsewhere is a nightmare.

[Nathan89]

If you are mostly against homeschooling then you should be a big proponent of school choice. This allows parents to get away from indoctrination at government schools and simultaneously their kids will almost certainly receive better educations than the government schools provide. That's the logical solution that provides freedom and educational quality. Obviously parents will still have the homeschooling option but it will be an option that people take less under a system of school choice.

[Ef-man]

I am definitely against homeschooling.

Parents can decide to send their kids to public or private schools but tax money is solely for public schools.

[Trainwreck2100]

lol "indoctrination at public schools" cause dumbass parents for some reason are unable to set their kids straight on their own. Which if zoom schools taught us anything, they can't, not by any gov conspiracy but because they're fucking stupid

[spurraider21]

If you are mostly against homeschooling then you should be a big proponent of school choice. This allows parents to get away from indoctrination at government schools and simultaneously their kids will almost certainly receive better educations than the government schools provide. That's the logical solution that provides freedom and educational quality. Obviously parents will still have the homeschooling option but it will be an option that people take less under a system of school choice.
you can send your kids to private schools. just shouldnt be subsidized

[DMC]

There's no inconsistency. As I pointed out, I didn't advocate for no homeschooling, but no homeschooling in it's current form.

There's simply no oversight to actually tell whether parents are qualified to teach children and provide them with a solid education.

I don't mind parents teaching them useless values (you could even argue that happens in public school as well), eventually the child will figure out that was worthless.

What can't happen is those children not getting the rest of the education they need to be productive members of society.

As I already pointed out, when that child becomes an adult and is unemployable, it's society as a whole that bears that burden.

While schools were closed the vast majority of them moved online, and classes continued remotely. It lacked the social interaction factor, which everyone agrees is far from ideal, but we actually had a health emergency. It's definitely not the norm.

We have literal decades if not centuries building an improving educational systems, updating them year after year as society moves forward. The curriculum nowadays has little resemblance to what was taught in the 1950's, for example.

Also, the border/education analogy is simply nowhere near the same ballpark. Separation at the border means they're still searching for the parents and kids to reunite them. Kids going to public school spend half a day outside the house, see their parent daily, sleep in the same house, spend weekends together. Like, not even close.

I think it should be the parent's choice if that parent qualifies to educate their kids in things that matter (basic school stuff). If a teacher wanted to home school her kid after deciding to stop working, would that be a problem? I get it that people who cannot add 2 and 2 shouldn't and probably can't teach at home, but that doesn't mean no one else can.

You look at these religious schools - sure they probably graduate top performers academically but they are teaching kids that an invisible sky deity rules the world. How many successful people today went to a religious school?

[DMC]

you can send your kids to private schools. just shouldnt be subsidized

I think if it's subsidized it should not be called a private school.

[Nathan89]

I am definitely against homeschooling.

Parents can decide to send their kids to public or private schools but tax money is solely for public schools.

Then don't complain about homeschooling when people try to avoid government schools.

[spurraider21]

I think if it's subsidized it should not be called a private school.
Agreed

[DMC]

Agreed

Ok agreement quota reached. No more of that this year.

[Nathan89]

I think it should be the parent's choice if that parent qualifies to educate their kids in things that matter (basic school stuff). If a teacher wanted to home school her kid after deciding to stop working, would that be a problem? I get it that people who cannot add 2 and 2 shouldn't and probably can't teach at home, but that doesn't mean no one else can.

You look at these religious schools - sure they probably graduate top performers academically but they are teaching kids that an invisible sky deity rules the world. How many successful people today went to a religious school?

The rates of graduation from religious schools and the rate at which they go to college afterwards will give you a good indication.

[spurraider21]

Ok agreement quota reached. No more of that this year.
:lol

[spurraider21]

its not a question of them being "religious" schools imo... private schools have advantages such as smaller classrooms. they also select for students from high socioeconomic backgrounds, ie parents who will pay for tutoring, have the time/means to drive them to schools outside where their district would be, etc.

but the solution shouldnt be to subsidize these schools by taking money out of public schools. thats just sabotaging the public school system

[ElNono]

I think it should be the parent's choice if that parent qualifies to educate their kids in things that matter (basic school stuff). If a teacher wanted to home school her kid after deciding to stop working, would that be a problem? I get it that people who cannot add 2 and 2 shouldn't and probably can't teach at home, but that doesn't mean no one else can.

You look at these religious schools - sure they probably graduate top performers academically but they are teaching kids that an invisible sky deity rules the world. How many successful people today went to a religious school?

That is the crux. We seemingly have some deluded pseudo intellectuals that pretend to be experts in pedagogy despite lacking credentials of any kind to lay that claim. See the responses in this thread for examples.

A modicum of regulation and/or oversight solves this problem rather quickly. And you don't do it to expose anybody, you do it to ensure the child is getting a proper education before it's too late.

Religious schools also have to meet certain academic standards for hiring, and having an idiot for teacher places a bad name on the school. Despite the innuendo about the transparent guy in the sky, you also get the social interaction.

It's more of a walled garden, but there's a actual self-policing due to the commercial interest. There's none of that in homeschooling as it exists today in the US.

[DMC]

The rates of graduation from religious schools and the rate at which they go to college afterwards will give you a good indication.

It's really high. That's the point. These aren't liberal schools.

[DMC]

its not a question of them being "religious" schools imo... private schools have advantages such as smaller classrooms. they also select for students from high socioeconomic backgrounds, ie parents who will pay for tutoring, have the time/means to drive them to schools outside where their district would be, etc.

but the solution shouldnt be to subsidize these schools by taking money out of public schools. thats just sabotaging the public school system

So you're saying kids that wouldn't do as well in the public schools.

[ElNono]

The opinion is your subjective view of what is going to ruin someones life.

Whataboutism is leftist nonsense to deflect from similar logic being applied elsewhere. Your authoritarian worldview applied elsewhere is a nightmare.

There's nothing subjective about it. You know as well as I do what our societal rules are, what makes a person employable, how to improve the odds of that person being successful, etc.

Again, being in denial of the society around you doesn't make it not real. You walk the same streets I do, interact with the same companies and people everyone else does, etc.

Whataboutism is exactly what you're doing. You don't have to like it, but it does have a name. Then you follow with inane platitudes, including the umpteen attempt to crowbar "authoritarian" into this conversation.

[ElNono]

If you are mostly against homeschooling then you should be a big proponent of school choice. This allows parents to get away from indoctrination at government schools and simultaneously their kids will almost certainly receive better educations than the government schools provide. That's the logical solution that provides freedom and educational quality. Obviously parents will still have the homeschooling option but it will be an option that people take less under a system of school choice.

I generally have no problem with private schools, religious schools, vocational schools, etc. (as long as they don't receive government funding).

[DMC]

That is the crux. We seemingly have some deluded pseudo intellectuals that pretend to be experts in pedagogy despite lacking credentials of any kind to lay that claim. See the responses in this thread for examples.

A modicum of regulation and/or oversight solves this problem rather quickly. And you don't do it to expose anybody, you do it to ensure the child is getting a proper education before it's too late.

Religious schools also have to meet certain academic standards for hiring, and having an idiot for teacher places a bad name on the school. Despite the innuendo about the transparent guy in the sky, you also get the social interaction.

It's more of a walled garden, but there's a actual self-policing due to the commercial interest. There's none of that in homeschooling as it exists today in the US.

You get social interaction in gangs and prison as well. The goal should be education, not social skills. School should be about learning, whatever residual benefits come from it are great, but I wouldn't use "he needs a friend to play with" as a reason to have another child nor to send a child to a larger public school vs a smaller one. Why would I use that reasoning to choose between public school and home schooling? It's not like the kid won't have friends. Maybe 30 years ago that would be the case but with social media now, it wouldn't be an issue. Besides, as an adult how many real friends do you end up with after you've dismissed the idiots, bums and troublemakers?

[Ef-man]

Then don't complain about homeschooling when people try to avoid government schools.

:lol government schools

Cannot wait to read news article about a former ST poster who was arrested for some sovereign citizen shit. :lol

[ElNono]

Let's have parents that want to homeschool get accreditation via an annual test. A teacher would certainly not have a problem passing that test. That's good enough for me to ascertain the parent is qualified.

[Nathan89]

There's nothing subjective about it. You know as well as I do what our societal rules are, what makes a person employable, how to improve the odds of that person being successful, etc.

Again, being in denial of the society around you doesn't make it not real. You walk the same streets I do, interact with the same companies and people everyone else does, etc.

Whataboutism is exactly what you're doing. You don't have to like it, but it does have a name. Then you follow with inane platitudes, including the umpteen attempt to crowbar "authoritarian" into this conversation.

It's moronic to base your morals on what corporations deem popular.

Not being employable by a large employer is also a subjective view of what quantifies as "ruined".

Whataboutism is used to deflect logic applied elsewhere. Why would I like that? I respond thoroughly to your comments and add extra to show how disastrous your worldview is. Whataboutism is almost always used by hypocrites and people that refuse to engage logical foresight. It's a defense mechanism. That's it.

[ElNono]

You get social interaction in gangs and prison as well. The goal should be education, not social skills. School should be about learning, whatever residual benefits come from it are great, but I wouldn't use "he needs a friend to play with" as a reason to have another child nor to send a child to a larger public school vs a smaller one. Why would I use that reasoning to choose between public school and home schooling? It's not like the kid won't have friends. Maybe 30 years ago that would be the case but with social media now, it wouldn't be an issue. Besides, as an adult how many real friends do you end up with after you've dismissed the idiots, bums and troublemakers?

Social interaction is important (though I agree it shouldn't be the focus) because it helps with pedagogy. Not all kids and households are the same. ie: it's a lot harder to explain poverty to a school of children of millionaires than the kiddo having a friend that's poor and sees first hand what that looks like day to day.

Some of these kids are troubled as well, parents don't know how to deal with them, and this is why you have a network of support for children in schools nowadays, that range from psychologists to social workers, to speech therapists, etc. That is part of education as well.

It's an environment that really mirrors society in a lot of ways. IRL, everybody has different backgrounds, attitudes, problems, communication skills, etc.

[spurraider21]

So you're saying kids that wouldn't do as well in the public schools.
im saying there's a big selection bias

[Nathan89]

I generally have no problem with private schools, religious schools, vocational schools, etc. (as long as they don't receive government funding).

So don't complain about homeschooling by those avoiding government schools. If you care about educational quality then school choice is the at scale solution that gives people freedom and educational quality.

[DMC]

im saying there's a big selection bias

If those same kids went to a public school would their trajectories be the same? If so, then if a parent thinks they can get closer to that level but cannot afford to pay that fee because they don't fit into the socioeconomic group who would, why should they succumb instead to pressure to send their kid to the social experiment/Jr prison camps known as public schools?

[Nathan89]

Classrooms cameras is another bit of regulation that can increase the quality of public education and decrease the need/want to homeschool.

[ElNono]

It's moronic to base your morals on what corporations deem popular.

Not being employable by a large employer is also a subjective view of what quantifies as "ruined".

What's moronic is pretending to be in denial of where the society you choose to live in is. Corporations didn't choose this. Corporations do what's good for their shareholders, that's their fiduciary duty. They apply the societal rules du jour.

Because it's not that you're ignorant, you just pretend the rules don't apply to you. They do. You don't have to like it, that's how it works when you chose to be part of society.


Whataboutism is used to deflect logic applied elsewhere. Why would I like that? I respond thoroughly to your comments and add extra to show how disastrous your worldview is. Whataboutism is almost always used by hypocrites and people that refuse to engage logical foresight. It's a defense mechanism. That's it.

Whataboutism is deflection pure and simple. I posted:


No, it's not an opinion. It's a fact that ruining a child's life is never a solution, no matter the problem.

You responded:


People are ruining their children by letting them consume a constant flow of entertainment.

That's a textbook example of whataboutism in order to deflect from the fact that what you're genuinely arguing for is that a parent's freedom to choose the education for their children trumps ruining the life of said children. That's actually false, and the State protects the children every time whenever it considers that to be the case, including taking the children away from the parents if needed be.

[DMC]

Social interaction is important (though I agree it shouldn't be the focus) because it helps with pedagogy. Not all kids and households are the same. ie: it's a lot harder to explain poverty to a school of children of millionaires than the kiddo having a friend that's poor and sees first hand what that looks like day to day.

Some of these kids are troubled as well, parents don't know how to deal with them, and this is why you have a network of support for children in schools nowadays, that range from psychologists to social workers, to speech therapists, etc. That is part of education as well.

It's an environment that really mirrors society in a lot of ways. IRL, everybody has different backgrounds, attitudes, problems, communication skills, etc.

Not sure what public school in the US you're referring to but what many if not most lower income children experience in school is group lock step to the slowest, dumbest motherfucker in class, half the year relearning last year and bullying/peer pressure/self identity crises. It's not a team building exercise. It's more like SERE for kids.

[Trainwreck2100]

Classrooms cameras is another bit of regulation that can increase the quality of public education and decrease the need/want to homeschool.

yes lets broadcast our children to the internet

[DMC]

What's moronic is pretending to be in denial of where the society you choose to live in is. Corporations didn't choose this. Corporations do what's good for their shareholders, that's their fiduciary duty. They apply the societal rules du jour.

Because it's not that you're ignorant, you just pretend the rules don't apply to you. They do. You don't have to like it, that's how it works when you chose to be part of society.



Whataboutism is deflection pure and simple. I posted:



You responded:



That's a textbook example of whataboutism in order to deflect from the fact that what you're genuinely arguing for is that a parent's freedom to choose the education for their children trumps ruining the life of said children. That's actually false, and the State protects the children every time whenever it considers that to be the case, including taking the children away from the parents if needed be.

Maybe you need to define "ruining the life of" in clearer terms because the level that gets CPS involved is much much greater than educational issues.

[ElNono]

So don't complain about homeschooling by those avoiding government schools. If you care about educational quality then school choice is the at scale solution that gives people freedom and educational quality.

Of course I can call out homeschooling in it's current form. It provides no guarantees to the children of obtaining an education. It's far different from other educational enterprises where failure is not an option (due to, among other things, commercial interest).

[DMC]

yes lets broadcast our children to the internet

:lol

Kids broadcast themselves to the internet. People with facebook pages have tons of vids and images of their kids. Let's not pretend school monitoring systems are at that level of broadcasting.

[ElNono]

Flexible freedom based systems.


This is a term you made up. Describe it.

Still pending. Wouldn't want you claiming later on that I didn't give you an opportunity to explain what that is...

[DMC]

Of course I can call out homeschooling in it's current form. It provides no guarantees to the children of obtaining an education. It's far different from other educational enterprises where failure is not an option (due to, among other things, commercial interest).

Public school certainly doesn't. Is there an epidemic of home schooled kids not knowing how to read, write or do math?

[Nathan89]

Still pending. Wouldn't want you claiming later on that I didn't give you an opportunity to explain what that is...

It's not difficult to determine what I want based on what I have said. But school choice is the main component of a freedom based education system in America.

[boutons_deux]

McAuliffe up 3 points, and Trash will help more with Tele-townhall or whatever, making the election about him

[ElNono]

Public school certainly doesn't. Is there an epidemic of home schooled kids not knowing how to read, write or do math?

Let me rephrase that, then. It provides no guarantees that the children is obtaining an education from a qualified teacher.

I would also argue that you need way more than just that to succeed in today's society. That might've cut it in the 60s, not in this day and age.

That said, homeschooling is the choice only in about 3% of households nationwide. I just don't think it's a good idea to expand that without some sort of oversight/regulation.

[ElNono]

It's not difficult to determine what I want based on what I have said. But school choice is the main component of a freedom based education system in America.

So you did make it up. Got it :tu

[Nathan89]

Of course I can call out homeschooling in it's current form. It provides no guarantees to the children of obtaining an education. It's far different from other educational enterprises where failure is not an option (due to, among other things, commercial interest).

You can but the fact that you won't support solutions to the core problem makes your complaints not worthy of listening to.

[Nathan89]

So you did make it up. Got it :tu

I'm sorry it's not backed by leftist academics to give the words meaning to you. It's a simple concept that's easily understood in context.

[ElNono]

You can but the fact that you won't support solutions to the core problem makes your complaints not worthy of listening to.

You can't even describe these "solutions". I gave you a chance and you came back with made up names about "systems" you can't even explain.

The charlatan is easy to spot, Nathan, that's why you're never taken seriously.

[ElNono]

I'm sorry it's not backed by leftist academics to give the words meaning to you. It's a simple concept that's easily understood in context.

Apparently it's not backed by anything other what's in your head. You haven't shown any qualifications to be any kind of authority about pedagogy, so it'll go where your claims go, nowhere.

[Nathan89]

It doesn't matter how much you posted back then as far as the point I made, other than proving what I said was correct. We're also not talking moving center to left or center to right. We're talking one edge to the other, which illustrates exactly what I mean.

And if you opt to tweet and agree with admitted Nazis, Nazi apologists, etc, the logical conclusion is you subscribe to that, or you're terribly dumb and ignorant. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, and going with the former and not the later. Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, etc.

I'll let readers, via my post history, decide what my ability to asses others looks like.



No, they are definitely outliers, and in most cases outright falsehoods to bait for reactions. The fact that you keep falling for them doesn't mean that's the norm or anywhere near it.



Again, what you want is immaterial. You choose to live in a society, you deal with the consequences of that choice. If you don't want to abide by it's rules, abandon society. see? freedom!



False according to the actual parents that do not send their kids to public school. Unlike you, that made the claim out of thin air, I supported the claim as well.



lol no, this isn't a free for all and demonstrably so. This is like arguing that you should have the freedom to abuse your children, completely stupid argument and false to boot.

Again, you choose to be part of a society that protects children and your rights as a parent are not infinite.

In addition, nothing precludes the parent from augmenting the education their children get in a public school at home. freedom!



Nice dodge attempt. We're discussing the society you currently live in and it's rules.

You can bitch all you want about the rules you don't like, but you have to go out there and live in it and bend over to it's rules every day.

You're consciously making that choice, your choice every day you live in this society.

How you feel about the rules is immaterial, because whining about them never changed them. So it's effectively a waste of time.



This isn't seeking an opinion, but the credentials to make that claim. You can also think you're above 80-90% of rocket scientists despite only playing with firecrackers. It's meaningless, and very likely wrong.

So what are your credentials to make that claim? Back it up.



This is another attempt to switch the subject via whataboutism.

If you don't want to address homeschooling's lack of oversight and regulation and the impact that has on children, and the cost it ultimately bears on society as a whole, just say so.

I mean, you've already been cherry picking what to answer to, so might as well skip this one as well.



You're welcome. How about answering the rest of that paragraph? Cherry-picking is not a good look, tbh.

"It doesn't matter how much you posted back then as far as the point I made, other than proving what I said was correct. We're also not talking moving center to left or center to right. We're talking one edge to the other, which illustrates exactly what I mean."

That's exactly why it matters because if you don't know my stance on numerous issues you have no clue where I am.

"And if you opt to tweet and agree with admitted Nazis"

No, you are going to have to show my support for nazi ideology. Unless you just want to engage in bad faith. Otherwise you should classify me as a supporter of fake news and CNN when I post one of their articles.

"Again, you choose to be part of a society that protects children and your rights as a parent are not infinite."

You can educate them with your morals and separate them from society as distant as the Amish. That's pretty lenient. It's you that is trying to impose stricter rules on what parents do with their children.

"In addition, nothing precludes the parent from augmenting the education their children get in a public school at home. freedom!"

Well that's a warped view of freedom. You don't even support cameras in classrooms. Being forced to have your kids in government schools would be the part of that sentence that doesn't qualify as "freedom".

"How you feel about the rules is immaterial, because whining about them never changed them. So it's effectively a waste of time."

Whining is your characterization of what is typically classified as "discussing". Therefore your stance is having discussions are meaningless. This explains why you want to indoctrinate children.

"This isn't seeking an opinion, but the credentials to make that claim. You can also think you're above 80-90% of rocket scientists despite only playing with firecrackers. It's meaningless, and very likely wrong."

If you've experienced public education then you'll recognize anyone with an average iq, online resources, and more individual focus is capable of doing a better job. You are literally competing against a system that requires 2 years of a foreign language and the students come of that knowing absolutely nothing in said language. I knew fluent speakers of "foreign languages" that took 3 years of a language they were fluent in. That's the competition.

"You're welcome. How about answering the rest of that paragraph? Cherry-picking is not a good look, tbh"

It was a lot nonsense not worth responding to. So I just highlighted the section where you can just feel your white privilege so thoroughly you can basically measure it.

[Nathan89]

Apparently it's not backed by anything other what's in your head. You haven't shown any qualifications to be any kind of authority about pedagogy, so it'll go where your claims go, nowhere.

It's a simple combination of words.

[Nathan89]

Whataboutism is deflection pure and simple. I posted:

"No, it's not an opinion. It's a fact that ruining a child's life is never a solution, no matter the problem."

You responded:

"People are ruining their children by letting them consume a constant flow of entertainment."


That's a textbook example of whataboutism in order to deflect from the fact that what you're genuinely arguing for is that a parent's freedom to choose the education for their children trumps ruining the life of said children. That's actually false, and the State protects the children every time whenever it considers that to be the case, including taking the children away from the parents if needed be.

"No, it's not an opinion. It's a fact that ruining a child's life is never a solution, no matter the problem."

I've responded to this maybe not in this context. This all based on your subjective view on what "ruining your child's life" is. You've been clear that not imposing the values of corporations is your definition.

I chose respond in this instance to display the idiocy of your worldview when applied logically. This isn't deflection.

[ElNono]

It's a simple combination of words.

That doesn't give you any expertise on the matter. We can all make up terms and names, that doesn't mean anything.

You brought that up as a "system", that's imaginary, all in your head. Impossible to dissect, discuss, etc. You literally made it up.

[baseline bum]

Ok agreement quota reached. No more of that this year.

OK

[ElNono]

"It doesn't matter how much you posted back then as far as the point I made, other than proving what I said was correct. We're also not talking moving center to left or center to right. We're talking one edge to the other, which illustrates exactly what I mean."

That's exactly why it matters because if you don't know my stance on numerous issues you have no clue where I am.

Your posts don't lie Nathan. I know you wish they did, but they don't.


"And if you opt to tweet and agree with admitted Nazis"

No, you are going to have to show my support for nazi ideology. Unless you just want to engage in bad faith. Otherwise you should classify me as a supporter of fake news and CNN when I post one of their articles.

You don't just retweet though. You always add your commentary after the tweet.

You have retweeted and agreed with the likes of Jack Posobiec, who is an admitted white nationalist and has hired actual neo-nazis to do dirty work for him. Maybe you're just dumb and didn't know, that'll be perfectly sane explanation as well.


"Again, you choose to be part of a society that protects children and your rights as a parent are not infinite."

You can educate them with your morals and separate them from society as distant as the Amish. That's pretty lenient. It's you that is trying to impose stricter rules on what parents do with their children.

It's not morals, it's the law. The Amish are not exempt from government and it's laws.

However, is that what you think the ideal for children is? The Shakers and the Amish? That's actually a great example of people that have a terrible time inserting themselves in society whenever they chose to exit those communities.

Their retention rates are through the roof on this day and age. They're pretty much completely unprepared to live in a modern society.


"In addition, nothing precludes the parent from augmenting the education their children get in a public school at home. freedom!"

Well that's a warped view of freedom. You don't even support cameras in classrooms. Being forced to have your kids in government schools would be the part of that sentence that doesn't qualify as "freedom".

Why is it warped, because you say so? Never said anything about cameras, you're making shit up again. Also never claimed kids have to be forced to attend public schools, actually said the opposite a few hours ago. This is outright lying.


"How you feel about the rules is immaterial, because whining about them never changed them. So it's effectively a waste of time."

Whining is your characterization of what is typically classified as "discussing". Therefore your stance is having discussions are meaningless. This explains why you want to indoctrinate children.

No, you're not discussing Nathan. You're purposely misrepresenting what people said, you come up with made up terms you can't explain, you lay claims without any authority on the subject matter and don't back them up. That's called making shit up.

And you certainly whine. You whine incessantly about every perceived ding society places on you, despite you chose to live in that society.


"This isn't seeking an opinion, but the credentials to make that claim. You can also think you're above 80-90% of rocket scientists despite only playing with firecrackers. It's meaningless, and very likely wrong."

If you've experienced public education then you'll recognize anyone with an average iq, online resources, and more individual focus is capable of doing a better job. You are literally competing against a system that requires 2 years of a foreign language and the students come of that knowing absolutely nothing in said language. I knew fluent speakers of "foreign languages" that took 3 years of a language they were fluent in. That's the competition.

No, that's an opinion and anecdotal. Just admit you don't have any credentials to discuss pedagogy, that's the right answer.


"You're welcome. How about answering the rest of that paragraph? Cherry-picking is not a good look, tbh"

It was a lot nonsense not worth responding to. So I just highlighted the section where you can just feel your white privilege so thoroughly you can basically measure it.


I had the courtesy to respond to your posts in full. If you're not going to show the same courtesy and instead are going to literally make shit up, dodge, cherry pick, etc, then that says way more about you than it says about me, and I'm actually satisfied with that.

I'll be happy to continue discussing this topic with people that actually appear to be discussing it in good faith, like DMC, despite we don't agree on everything.

Thanks for the exchange. I got what I wanted out of it.

[spurraider21]

If those same kids went to a public school would their trajectories be the same? If so, then if a parent thinks they can get closer to that level but cannot afford to pay that fee because they don't fit into the socioeconomic group who would, why should they succumb instead to pressure to send their kid to the social experiment/Jr prison camps known as public schools?
i already said that there are advantages to some private schools, including smaller class sizes, more parent involvement in the process, more accessible co-curricular activities. but the selection sample would also likely be a huge driver if you just want to compare the average outcome of private school vs public school students

[ducks]

yes lets broadcast our children to the internet

Do not have to show kids or even the teachers just voices

[rmt]

But that's exactly what homeschooling is. It's removing the children from the society around them, different opinions and experiences, with the primary goal to indoctrinate them into some archaic values that largely no longer hold in our society.

It's basically a model based on church schools, but actually worse. The child and society are ultimately who pay the price for that.
Heavy sigh - if you really think that this is what homeschooling is. IMO, it's trying to give your kids a better education than the other options available.



Let's have parents that want to homeschool get accreditation via an annual test. A teacher would certainly not have a problem passing that test. That's good enough for me to ascertain the parent is qualified.
It isn't good enough to test the STUDENT annually. Now you want to test the PARENT ANNUALLY as if proving ONCE that a parent is qualified isn't enough or even that passing this accreditation ensures that the student learns. Isn't that the goal - that the STUDENT learns? Why do you need to test the parent annually too if the student shows proof of progress/learning every year?



Of course I can call out homeschooling in it's current form. It provides no guarantees to the children of obtaining an education. It's far different from other educational enterprises where failure is not an option (due to, among other things, commercial interest).
I don't know why YOU keep talking about homeschooling like you're an expert. Each state has its own requirements for homeschooling.

Florida requires an annual evaluation by a certified teacher or reporting of test scores (usually in our homeschooling group IOWA Basic Skills) that show progress. Some choose to send their kids to public school for the testing (FCAT previously, FSA now) because it's free - knowing that the public schools kids have been TAUGHT specifically TO the test (and of course, their kids aren't). I chose mostly to do the former as it's more nationalized.

Florida is very good about the FREEDOM and support it offers homeschoolers. We are allowed to participate in all after school activities (like the Spanish Immersion program I sent my kids to for many years), sports, and 2 classes of your choice every year - I usually chose Spanish and Science since I dislike labs of any kind. They also allow unlimited access to Florida Virtual School which offers just about any class available to regular ps - this I used for Spanish 1 and 2 and Geometry Honors in middle school. I taught my kids Algebra 1 because it's foundational to Calc and with proof of doing well in Geometry Honors (Alg 1 is pre-requisite), it was a breeze with placement into 9th grade Algebra 2 Honors. Likewise for Spanish 3 Honors.

I know that California is not like this - they allow no access to public school classes or virtual class that I am aware of. They strongly DISCOURAGE homeschooling by doing this.


There's nothing subjective about it. You know as well as I do what our societal rules are, what makes a person employable, how to improve the odds of that person being successful, etc.

Again, being in denial of the society around you doesn't make it not real. You walk the same streets I do, interact with the same companies and people everyone else does, etc.


Let me rephrase that, then. It provides no guarantees that the children is obtaining an education from a qualified teacher.

I would also argue that you need way more than just that to succeed in today's society. That might've cut it in the 60s, not in this day and age.

That said, homeschooling is the choice only in about 3% of households nationwide. I just don't think it's a good idea to expand that without some sort of oversight/regulation.
Would you call employment with a FAANG company succeeding in today's society? Would you call a promotion and leading a (albeit) small group of 3 on track for another promotion next fall - success? BTW, the total compensation these software engineers get is obscene. Does that qualify as a success?

Would you call a first year Boeing internship succeeding? Or a Lockheed Martin fall and spring co-op a success? Or was it being voted High School Sweetheart (still can't believe a child of mine was VOTED in by entire school population in a popularity contest)?

As for my Aspie son, he would have been left behind in 1st grade in public school learning his 11-18 math facts (it took me 2 years and trying every curriculum under the sun for him to memorize these). But here he is - passed the PE (Professional Engineer) exam in September and just needs 4 years of engineering experience to gain PE certification. Hopefully, he does well on his interview tomorrow, but he would still have his Aspie issues whether he went to public school or not (probably along with a lot more teasing) - this one is my pride and joy because everything was a struggle with him.



I'm sure you're better than a handful, there's always an outlier, but pray tell how your "life skillz" and personal experience trump school nurses, psychologists, librarians, school counselors, social workers, speech pathologists and all that network of educational support you find in any modern children schools? "My children came out ok" is not a valid answer. It's both a very debatable opinion and an anecdote.

You also don't come across as neither a scholar nor a bookworm (when you are, it shows). I am the son of a elementary school teacher (not in this country and long retired), so I grew up watching every day the amount of work it takes to master a topic, prepare a class, identifying and helping problematic children, seeking help for them, and the years and years it takes to actually gain experience to become really good at that job, and everything that surrounds it. From problematic parents, to deficient infrastructure in some cases, to children that just go to school to get a free meal. I frankly think you've no idea what are you talking about and are just talking out of your ass.
Newsflash to you - parents (more often than not - mothers) are nurses, psychologists, librarians (choose books for), counselor, social worker, speech pathologist (who do you think does those DAILY exercises with them - do you think it's the mere half hour a week with the professional that does it?) for THEIR kids (along with a whole myriad of other things like cook, chauffeur, maid, secretary, etc.) because they are closest to them and KNOW them best.

If my previous posts (before this one) inferred that my homeschooled kids came out ok and that didn't cut it (for you), I apologize. I should have been more forthright so that this homeschooling household could be chalked up as a success (to you).



I'll let readers, via my post history, decide what my ability to asses others looks like.

What are you - some SpursTalk resident assessor? Who made you judge over whether I come across as a scholar or bookworm (I never claimed to be one) or not? Or even if one needs to be a scholar or bookworm to educate their child?

I like anecdotes. If you don't, then don't use your parent as an example.

I know that I have a lot more experience in homeschooling than you - so who's the one talking out of his ass?

[ElNono]

Heavy sigh - if you really think that this is what homeschooling is. IMO, it's trying to give your kids a better education than the other options available.

No, that's not what I think homeschooling is, that's what the majority of surveyed parents doing homeschooling actually said it is the reason they do homeschooling. You might be an outlier, but that doesn't make it any less true. I linked to that many posts ago (here: https://nces.ed.gov/FastFacts/display.asp?id=91)


It isn't good enough to test the STUDENT annually. Now you want to test the PARENT ANNUALLY as if proving ONCE that a parent is qualified isn't enough or even that passing this accreditation ensures that the student learns. Isn't that the goal - that the STUDENT learns? Why do you need to test the parent annually too if the student shows proof of progress/learning every year?

Because if the parent isn't qualified, that children is now at least a full year behind his/her peers, and because curriculums get updated all the time. What happens when the kid does not pass accreditation? Is he sent out to a public school to make up for the lost time? No. He's sent back to the same unqualified parent to try again, and this is with the kid already behind.


I don't know why YOU keep talking about homeschooling like you're an expert. Each state has its own requirements for homeschooling.

Florida requires an annual evaluation by a certified teacher or reporting of test scores (usually in our homeschooling group IOWA Basic Skills) that show progress. Some choose to send their kids to public school for the testing (FCAT previously, FSA now) because it's free - knowing that the public schools kids have been TAUGHT specifically TO the test (and of course, their kids aren't). I chose mostly to do the former as it's more nationalized.

Florida is very good about the FREEDOM and support it offers homeschoolers. We are allowed to participate in all after school activities (like the Spanish Immersion program I sent my kids to for many years), sports, and 2 classes of your choice every year - I usually chose Spanish and Science since I dislike labs of any kind. They also allow unlimited access to Florida Virtual School which offers just about any class available to regular ps - this I used for Spanish 1 and 2 and Geometry Honors in middle school. I taught my kids Algebra 1 because it's foundational to Calc and with proof of doing well in Geometry Honors (Alg 1 is pre-requisite), it was a breeze with placement into 9th grade Algebra 2 Honors. Likewise for Spanish 3 Honors.

This is great and all, but actually doesn't address what you replied to at all. Having a test by a certified teacher (the irony of this is not lost on me) to asses educational progress comes after the kid spent a full year doing homeschooling. Glad your kids passed, but what happens when they don't? And should the State at the very least try to find out if the failure was on the kid or the educator? After all, you had to show zero credentials that you have any qualifications whatsoever to teach a children. That's not freedom, that's irresponsible.

So I don't have a problem with homeschooling as long as there's appropriate oversight. After all, Florida has a compulsory education law that requires kids between the ages of 6 and 16 (or younger if they achieved a HS diploma) to attend school. Looks like they forgot about freedom on that one, but the supposed interest of the State in children having proper education is certainly displayed there.


I know that California is not like this - they allow no access to public school classes or virtual class that I am aware of. They strongly DISCOURAGE homeschooling by doing this.

California doesn't have a statewide law as far as attendance to classes, it's managed district by district and homeschooling parents can certainly call their district and inquire about it. There is one rule (Rule 305 of the California Interscholastic Federation) that does preclude homeschooled children from playing on public school teams.


Would you call employment with a FAANG company succeeding in today's society? Would you call a promotion and leading a (albeit) small group of 3 on track for another promotion next fall - success? BTW, the total compensation these software engineers get is obscene. Does that qualify as a success?

Would you call a first year Boeing internship succeeding? Or a Lockheed Martin fall and spring co-op a success? Or was it being voted High School Sweetheart (still can't believe a child of mine was VOTED in by entire school population in a popularity contest)?

As for my Aspie son, he would have been left behind in 1st grade in public school learning his 11-18 math facts (it took me 2 years and trying every curriculum under the sun for him to memorize these). But here he is - passed the PE (Professional Engineer) exam in September and just needs 4 years of engineering experience to gain PE certification. Hopefully, he does well on his interview tomorrow, but he would still have his Aspie issues whether he went to public school or not (probably along with a lot more teasing) - this one is my pride and joy because everything was a struggle with him.

I'll say that's pretty successful. Anecdotal, but successful.



Newsflash to you - parents (more often than not - mothers) are nurses, psychologists, librarians (choose books for), counselor, social worker, speech pathologist (who do you think does those DAILY exercises with them - do you think it's the mere half hour a week with the professional that does it?) for THEIR kids (along with a whole myriad of other things like cook, chauffeur, maid, secretary, etc.) because they are closest to them and KNOW them best.

So which one degree(s) do you have of those? formal education in any of those areas at the very least? Do tell.

Oh wait, you're a government worker, right? What is it? Social worker? Pedagogy? Pediatrics?


If my previous posts (before this one) inferred that my homeschooled kids came out ok and that didn't cut it (for you), I apologize. I should have been more forthright so that this homeschooling household could be chalked up as a success (to you).

Sorry, you don't get to grade yourself. That's certainly convenient, but it just doesn't work that way.

I'm glad your kids came out ok, but you still haven't answered under what credentials/authority you make the claim you're better at teaching children than most public school teachers? That was your claim after all, and what I took exception to.

I mean, this is all great, and looks like things worked out for you, but you still haven't answered that.


What are you - some SpursTalk resident assessor? Who made you judge over whether I come across as a scholar or bookworm (I never claimed to be one) or not? Or even if one needs to be a scholar or bookworm to educate their child?

I like anecdotes. If you don't, then don't use your parent as an example.

I know that I have a lot more experience in homeschooling than you - so who's the one talking out of his ass?

The problem with anecdotes is that you can't extrapolate them into anything useful. They're the absolute minimum possible sample size, and thus very much worthless when it comes to ascertain if something is the norm or not.

However, that didn't stop you from asserting that a random person on the internet which you know nothing about would make a better teacher than "most public school teachers". Here:


For centuries, parents taught their kids (including all life skills) or the schoolhouse teacher taught all aged kids (think Little House on the Prairie). You, SR21, would do a fine job teaching your daughter (especially if you start early and incorporate into daily life) - it doesn't take a lot of time and you'd do a better job than most public school teachers.

I mean, I actually briefly met SR21 in person, he seems like a smart, standup guy, and frankly I have nothing bad to say about him.

But that claim really comes across as pretty insulting and ignorant of the work most public school teachers actually put in not to just educate one, two or three children, but a whole class year in and out for many years.

Despite what it might look like from outside, it's not an easy job, and just like lawyers or nurses, it requires constant training in many diverse areas that go beyond particular topics. I mentioned my mother because I've seen it first hand not just with her, but also with all her teacher friends throughout 40-some years.

I can't claim to be a professional in the area myself (and have not done so), but at the very least I can claim a modicum of knowledge in that area, thus why I find your claim to be more hubris than anything else. After all, having homeschooled your children doesn't make you an expert on public school teachers, right?

So, maybe I'm wrong, maybe you do have pedagogy credentials and you're making that claim based on something more than just a hunch, do tell.

[Will Hunting]

Youngkin wins this race by 2-3% imo

[DMC]

i already said that there are advantages to some private schools, including smaller class sizes, more parent involvement in the process, more accessible co-curricular activities. but the selection sample would also likely be a huge driver if you just want to compare the average outcome of private school vs public school students

So smaller class sizes and more parent involvement seems good. It seems home schooling would be even more of both. Most of the objections I've read are based on routine welfare checks. This has nothing to do with education. If the government wants welfare checks, fine. Have a worker drop by to check. This is akin to saying traffic stops should be allowed for minor shit like expired stickers because they often find other infractions. There shouldn't be a gateway rule to allow the government access they wouldn't otherwise have, under the guise of education. Otherwise it's true that children can be abused at home and no one would know, but that's a completely different issue.

[hater]

:lmao

https://twitter.com/Jacob_Alderman_/status/1454952416072421377?s=19

[spurraider21]

So smaller class sizes and more parent involvement seems good. It seems home schooling would be even more of both. Most of the objections I've read are based on routine welfare checks. This has nothing to do with education. If the government wants welfare checks, fine. Have a worker drop by to check. This is akin to saying traffic stops should be allowed for minor shit like expired stickers because they often find other infractions. There shouldn't be a gateway rule to allow the government access they wouldn't otherwise have, under the guise of education. Otherwise it's true that children can be abused at home and no one would know, but that's a completely different issue.
I dont mean parent involvement re curriculum. But the school maintains more regular contact with parents and keeps them current on the students academic status. Parent teacher conferences, etc.

Homeschooling could have some benefits if the teacher is actually qualified and sticks to a good curriculum, but also has some awful drawbacks such as a lack of social development and as discussed, a lack of exposure to different people and experiences. The child as also at the mercy of one teacher. If it’s a bad teacher, they’re completely fucked

[boutons_deux]

Can't teach public school in TX without a college degree (of any type),

but you don't need a degree or education in the subject(s) you are to teach

What are the educational requirements for homeschool "teachers"?

Certainly not one of them is knowledgeable in all subjects

[boutons_deux]

Trump throws wrench into GOP plans for Virginia governor’s race with explosive statement

Responding to news reports that Youngkin has been purposefully keeping Trump at arm’s length during the campaign — and a Lincoln Project ad that taunted him about it —

the former president issued a statement attacking “the perverts”

behind those political ads and

closely aligning the Virginia GOP candidate with his own deplorable policies.


https://occupydemocrats.com/wp-content/uploads/FDG57EFXIAIjVMc.jpeg

https://occupydemocrats.com/2021/11/01/trump-throws-wrench-into-gop-plans-for-virginia-governors-race-with-explosive-statement

[Thread]

Trump throws wrench into GOP plans for Virginia governor’s race with explosive statement

Responding to news reports that Youngkin has been purposefully keeping Trump at arm’s length during the campaign — and a Lincoln Project ad that taunted him about it —

the former president issued a statement attacking “the perverts”

behind those political ads and

closely aligning the Virginia GOP candidate with his own deplorable policies.


https://occupydemocrats.com/wp-content/uploads/FDG57EFXIAIjVMc.jpeg

https://occupydemocrats.com/2021/11/01/trump-throws-wrench-into-gop-plans-for-virginia-governors-race-with-explosive-statement

Boiled down:::

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

[boutons_deux]

There Will Be Intimidation

Republican Poll Watchers Make Their Return in Virginia Gubernatorial Race

we can expect some MAGA fireworks whether their candidate, Glenn Youngkin, wins or loses.

If they lose, we know that they will say the vote was rigged.

If Youngkin wins, Donald Trump’s Big Lie will be equally well-served.

They will say it’s because of the vigilance of the hordes of Republican poll watchers

who are set to descend upon polling places on Election Day.

Trump was likely under the assumption that he could just send his MAGA mob to storm the polling places, no questions asked.

And a spate of new election laws (https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/who-watches-poll-watchers) being enacted by Republican state legislatures are essentially making that reality now.

“The President is blatantly urging his supporters to congregate at polling places, go inside, and ostensibly harass and intimidate voters.

While there are authorized ‘poll watchers’ who monitor polls on Election Day,

their duties are clearly laid out,

and they do not include what President Trump has suggested.”

one recruitment seminar in which a precinct chair in a white suburb of Houston exhorted volunteers to go into the Black, Asian and Latino areas on election day because “that’s where the fraud is occuring.”

illustrates what they actually have in mind: suppression and intimidation of racial and ethnic minority voters, particularly in urban areas.

former Chief Justice William Rehnquist who, as a young lawyer in Arizona, personally applied some ugly racist intimidation against Latino and Black voters in the 1964 presidential campaign.

“Operation Eagle Eye” (https://www.nytimes.com/1964/11/03/archives/democrats-charge-gop-poll-watch-today-will-harass-the-negroes-and.html)throughout the nation.

"we have evidence that the Republican program is not really what it purports to be.

It is an organized effort to prevent the foreign born, to prevent Negroes, to prevent members of ethnic minorities from casting their votes by frightening and intimidating them at the polling place.”

https://truthout.org/articles/republican-poll-watchers-make-their-return-in-virginia-gubernatorial-race/

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1455300509057814535?s=20

Why do democrats hate white people so much?

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/MikevWUSA/status/1455359529542168577?s=20

The media makes more noise about plants in the crowd than the actual racism coming from their preferred candidate.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/MikevWUSA/status/1455359529542168577?s=20

The media makes more noise about plants in the crowd than the actual racism coming from their preferred candidate.

Do you consider blacks your equals?

Yes or no.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1455300509057814535?s=20

Why do democrats hate white people so much?

:lmao

[Reck]

You gotta get in blacks and a few Latino teachers in. Whites like to fuck their own students a little too much.

[Will Hunting]

Terry McFatshit is gonna pull the classic Clinton Democrat move - run a shitty, ultra vanilla campaign that talks about nothing other than MUH ABORTION and MUH TRUMP, then complain when young people don't show up after giving them absolutely no incentive whatsoever to vote for him.

Hopefully after he loses McAuliffe gets type 2 diabetes and needs to have his dick amputated.

[Reck]

Youngkin wins this race by 2-3% imo

I didn’t know the election was actually today. I thought this was a midterm thing for next year. That’s why I was like there’s time to recover etc.

Will there be mail in votes? That will be the difference maker.

[Will Hunting]

I didn’t know the election was actually today. I thought this was a midterm thing for next year. That’s why I was like there’s time to recover etc.

Will there be mail in votes? That will be the difference maker.
yes, mail in voting is allowed, but the mail in #s have been underwhelming.

McFatass losing isn't to blame on Biden or his low approval though, he's run an atrocious campaign and Youngkin has run a pretty good campaign.

[baseline bum]

Youngkin wins this race by 2-3% imo

538 has Youngkin up a little under 1% from polls taken a week ago so I wouldn't be surprised to see his margin more like 4-5% after his tiki torch stunt that wasn't reflected in that polling.

[Will Hunting]

538 has Youngkin up a little under 1% from polls taken a week ago so I wouldn't be surprised to see his margin more like 4-5% after his tiki torch stunt that wasn't reflected in that polling.
I don't think the Tiki Torch stunt will matter that much, the bigger problem is that McAuliffe is a fat male version of Hillary Clinton who's about as unlikable as someone can possibly be.

I also think the polls might be slanted red a little bit, they certainly were for the CA recall race.

[spurraider21]

mail in votes were allowed. i was auto enrolled so i received mine without even entering a request. confirmed thru the voter registration website that the ballot was received within 4-5 days of me sending it back out

[Dirks_Finale]

https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1455300509057814535?s=20

Why do democrats hate white people so much?

They don't.

It's all theatrics. They will say anything if they think it will generate more votes in their column.

[Will Hunting]

They don't.

It's all theatrics. They will say anything if they think it will generate more votes in their column.
This isn't going to generate votes :lol

McFatass has done nothing to drive black voter turnout so he's using over-the-top identity politics to do it at the last minute...it's the equivalent of trying to do your homework as the teacher collects it.

[Will Hunting]

Based off what turnout looks like VA is gonna be a close race imo, doubtful that either candidate wins by more than several %.

[spurraider21]

Based off what turnout looks like VA is gonna be a close race imo, doubtful that either candidate wins by more than several %.
hopefully they processed all the ballots i sent in

[Ef-man]

hopefully they processed all the ballots i sent in

I am in Germany now, with Hugo Chavez, fixing the servers to switch republican votes to democrat.

[Nathan89]

They don't.

It's all theatrics. They will say anything if they think it will generate more votes in their column.

So being racist towards white people is an attempt to bring out their voters. Why do democrats hate white people so much?

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1455599878302732291?s=20

[ChumpDumper]

So being racist towards white people is an attempt to bring out their voters. Why do democrats hate white people so much?Do you believe blacks are your equals, Nathan?

Yes or no.

[playblair]

Do you believe blacks are your equals, Nathan?

Yes or no.
do they look like our equals you yt liberal cuck...........
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqDmXjzU0AEFY8f.jpg

[spurraider21]

1455625538656210944

:lmao 0:40 - 1:00

[ChumpDumper]

do they look like our equals you yt liberal cuck...........
Don't answer a question with a question.

Do you consider blacks your equals?

Yes or no.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1455672195733233665?s=19

[baseline bum]

1455625538656210944

:lmao 0:40 - 1:00

:cry I don't want muh kids being taught genocide is bad :cry

[hater]

https://twitter.com/kabir_here/status/1455642724363870214?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/PollsandOdds/status/1455655174094086156?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1455669329576534019?s=19

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/status/1455660628161568771?t
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1455662930150711305?t

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/status/1455660628161568771?t
:tu

[pgardn]

I killed my wife in Virginia and voted Republican for her and myself.

[pgardn]

https://twitter.com/PollsandOdds/status/1455655174094086156?s=19

What was the breakdown on who is most likely to suck Trump's "mini me" in his trousers?

[hater]

https://twitter.com/MicahBock/status/1455679154393952262?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1455675415423590404?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/SquawkGamingYT/status/1455678270452731907?s=19

[Reck]

Based off what turnout looks like VA is gonna be a close race imo, doubtful that either candidate wins by more than several %.

Think they should move general elections and midterms to i dont know, Summer. It's extra shitty having to stand in the snow or 40 degree wheather for hours. For me it's real easy to vote because it's usually in and out but imagine the people in battleground states.

[hater]

:lmao Clownlife

https://twitter.com/edokeefe/status/1455685522194681857?s=19

[pgardn]

Hater now on twitter binge...

[spurraider21]

1455690098029342727
1455693099062153217

[hater]

Lol Fairfax printing ballots

https://twitter.com/Spacereportern1/status/1455695004509384709?s=19