on this day 18 years ago the hottest free agent in the nba jason kidd committed to signing with the spurs

[playblair]

his wife did not want to be in small market san antonio so she vetoed his decision

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[Chinook]

Kidd wasn't worth Manu. It worked out for the Spurs

[heyheymymy]

Lol he didn't get lucky, didn't win shit, that team had bought depth.

[Seventyniner]

It would be pretty hard to do better than the Spurs actually did in 2004-2008. I still wanted him at the time, but things worked out just fine the way they did.

[spurraider21]

Kidd wasn't worth Manu. It worked out for the Spurs
from what i recall it would have cost parker, not manu

[tbdog]

Yeah. Didn't Parker go public? I'm sure Parker and kidd would have worked out.

[slick'81]

Yeah. Didn't Parker go public? I'm sure Parker and kidd would have worked out.

Better then white and Murray huh 🤔

[james evans]

this saved Parker's job. He should have named his first born child after Kidd's wife. I constantly remind young non Spurs fans about this. They never knew about it considering most were 6-10 years old at the time.

[Chinook]

from what i recall it would have cost parker, not manu

Nah. Pop said he wanted Kidd and Parker to play together. They had to sign Manu the next off-season, so they would've probably let him walk to Denver since they wouldn't have as much money.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/spurs-gregg-popovich-wanted-both-jason-kidd-and-tony-parker-in-2003/

[tbdog]

Better then white and Murray huh 🤔

Well consider they are both elite fucking guards, by default yes. Also the game was vastly different back then. So again. YES.

[slick'81]

Well consider they are both elite fucking guards, by default yes. Also the game was vastly different back then. So again. YES.

Amazing

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Nah. Imagine seeing Manu play for George Karl in Denver ugh. J Kidd's wife did the Spurs a favour.

[gambit1990]

Kidd wasn't worth Manu. It worked out for the Spurs
:lol:lol

from what i recall it would have cost parker, not manu
:tu


They had to sign Manu the next off-season, so they would've probably let him walk to Denver since they wouldn't have as much money.
:td

tony was the one who was uncomfortable with the spurs acquiring kidd. tony would've been traded. and then kidd / manu / timmy would've b2b.

[gambit1990]

chinook acting like he knows when he doesn't :lol some things never change.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

chinook acting like he knows when he doesn't :lol some things never change.

He does though.

Tony was on a 4 year rookie contract. His extension didn't start until 2005. Manu, on the other hand wasn't on a rookie contract, he was on a 2 year deal initially. You can make wild guesses about who might and might not have been traded and when but the objective, realistic situation of the cap back then was that Manu would have been gone to Denver had Kidd taken that contract and then Tony would have been extended in 2005.

[gambit1990]

landing kidd never meant moving parker, pop did mention kidd mentoring tony that summer. but tony was really uncomfortable with the idea and would've asked for a trade.

tony wanted to be the PG, kidd wasn't gonna push out manu.

[gambit1990]

He does though.

Tony was on a 4 year rookie contract. His extension didn't start until 2005. Manu, on the other hand wasn't on a rookie contract, he was on a 2 year deal initially. You can make wild guesses about who might and might not have been traded and when but the objective, realistic situation of the cap back then was that Manu would have been gone to Denver had Kidd taken that contract and then Tony would have been extended in 2005.
manu didn't have a problem with the spurs acquiring kidd, tony did.

[gambit1990]

like i said, tony was the odd man out:

In the recruitment of Kidd, the Spurs were walking a delicate line with Tony Parker (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3527). He had held his own against Kidd in the Finals and became increasingly irritated with the franchise's pursuit of him. He was 21 years old, had a championship now and he wanted no part of ceding control of the ball.

Parker left town for Kidd's recruiting visit, but couldn't ignore the reports of Duncan escorting Kidd everywhere through Parker's town. He was enraged and hurt. Finally, he called San Antonio Express-News reporter Johnny Ludden and made his case to the public (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=jy-parkerkidd022808).

"I know I'm the best point guard for this team," Parker told Ludden. "I can lead this team. I know deep down in my heart I can. I'm only 21, but I'm going to get better."

Years later, Parker told me: "If he came here, I don't think I would be in San Antonio."

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

manu didn't have a problem with the spurs acquiring kidd, tony did.

So? Do personal feelings affect the cap somehow? Pop's literally on record saying : 'As Jason gets older, let him move over to 2, let Tony take 1. Brilliant, brilliant.'

[gambit1990]

So? Do personal feelings affect the cap somehow? Pop's literally on record saying : 'As Jason gets older, let him move over to 2, let Tony take 1. Brilliant, brilliant.'

Years later, Parker told me: "If he came here, I don't think I would be in San Antonio."

[Proxy]

well, if we had signed Kidd, and TD had gone to Orlando, we would've signed Lebron and KD to join Kawhi anyways

[Chinook]

So that gambit didn't work...

Tony as a second-year player wasn't happy with the idea that Kidd was coming over. But to assume that the Spurs would've honored Tony's trade request, or indeed that a trade request would've come at all, is pure speculation. What isn't is that Kidd on a max contract would've made it hard to justify giving a relatively NBA-inexperienced Ginobili decent money (about $17 Million a year by today's money). Even if Tony were traded for nothing by the next year, he was making less than the equivalent of what Lonnie is making now. It's more likely to assume Kidd would've cost both Tony and Manu than to assume that Tony's insecurities were going to have a larger effect than the reality of the salary cap to a team in the Spurs' financial situation.

[Harry Callahan]

I was never a big Kidd fan. Things worked out pretty well in SA with our big three with three additional titles in the coming years.

BTW, the Mavies have some talent (mostly if not entirely housed in #77) - I'm not sure Jason Kidd will be a top shelf coach for the sensitive Euros at the top of the Dallas roster.

[Johnsyounger]

Nah. Imagine seeing Manu play for George Karl in Denver ugh. J Kidd's wife did the Spurs a favour.
Yea I think about that and wonder .. Manu probably wouldve started his whole career and have better "numbers", but def less rings

[KayBee]

Since we're here, remember the Jermaine O'Neal to the Spurs certainty? Fun to live in the world of make believe.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

How many pages was the Jason Kidd thread again?


It would have changed the history of the franchise, and of the legacies of guys like Tony Parker and probably Manu.

[spurraider21]

How many pages was the Jason Kidd thread again?


It would have changed the history of the franchise, and of the legacies of guys like Tony Parker and probably Manu.
not as long as the pau gasol thread

[Budkin]

Kidd wasn't worth Manu. It worked out for the Spurs

This.