What Will Drive China to War?

[RandomGuy]

A terrifying read. Regardless of what you think, you should read the whole thing.

TLDR: There are a lot of warning signs that war with China is a lot closer than you might think, with far more potential flashpoints than most realize.

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The U.S. and its friends can take steps to deter the PRC, such as drastically speeding the acquisition of weaponry and prepositioning military assets in the Taiwan Strait and East and South China Seas, among other efforts, to showcase its hard power and ensure that China can’t easily knock out U.S. combat power in a surprise attack. At the same time, calmly firming up multilateral plans, involving Japan, Australia, and potentially India and Britain, for responding to Chinese aggression could make Beijing realize how costly such aggression might be. If Beijing understands that it cannot easily or cheaply win a conflict, it may be more cautious about starting one.

Most of these steps are not technologically difficult: They exploit capabilities that are available today. Yet they require an intellectual shift—a realization that the United States and its allies need to rapidly shut China’s windows of military opportunity, which means preparing for a war that could well start in 2025 rather than in 2035. And that, in turn, requires a degree of political will and urgency that has so far been lacking.

China’s historical warning signs are already flashing red. Indeed, taking the long view of why and under which circumstances China fights is the key to understanding just how short time has become for America and the other countries in Beijing’s path.

(atlantic article hosted on msn)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/what-will-drive-china-to-war/ar-AAQbegN
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Companies should really, really start re-thinking their supply chains from Asia.

[Winehole23]

What specifically terrifies you, RG?

[RandomGuy]

What specifically terrifies you, RG?

1) The number of very plausible flashpoints,
2) past Chinese government's willingness to spark small scale wars all the way up to full on interventions, which was a bit new to me.
3) Chinese hubris causing them to overestimate their hand and something escalating.

Chinese autocracy insulates its titular head with yes-men. That is a recipe for disaster.

[Winehole23]

1) The number of very plausible flashpoints,
2) past Chinese government's willingness to spark small scale wars all the way up to full on interventions, which was a bit new to me.
3) Chinese hubris causing them to overestimate their hand and something escalating.

Chinese autocracy insulates its titular head with yes-men. That is a recipe for disaster.1.)Speculation
2.)History
3.)Psychologizing
4.)Authoritarianism

More of a laundry list than an argument, maybe you were scared already. The US treating the Pacific Ocean as a US lagoon surely drives the antagonism too, with all the attendant dangers.

[daboom1]

Voting for Democrats

[Thread]

Voting for Democrats

...amen to that.

[koriwhat]

Voting for Democrats

:tu they're all commies tbh

[Isitjustme?]

1.)Speculation
2.)History
3.)Psychologizing
4.)Authoritarianism

More of a laundry list than an argument, maybe you were scared already. The US treating the Pacific Ocean as a US lagoon surely drives the antagonism too, with all the attendant dangers.

lmao its the US fault for supporting Taiwan over there or something here. Leftism is so predictable in its ability to blame the US for anything

[Winehole23]

lmao its the US fault for supporting Taiwan over there or something here. Leftism is so predictable in its ability to blame the US for anythingI didn't say so, just pointed out you need at least two side for there to be antagonism.

Lol at you flipping shit because the role of the US is merely described.

[Ef-man]

A terrifying read. Regardless of what you think, you should read the whole thing.

TLDR: There are a lot of warning signs that war with China is a lot closer than you might think, with far more potential flashpoints than most realize.

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The U.S. and its friends can take steps to deter the PRC, such as drastically speeding the acquisition of weaponry and prepositioning military assets in the Taiwan Strait and East and South China Seas, among other efforts, to showcase its hard power and ensure that China can’t easily knock out U.S. combat power in a surprise attack. At the same time, calmly firming up multilateral plans, involving Japan, Australia, and potentially India and Britain, for responding to Chinese aggression could make Beijing realize how costly such aggression might be. If Beijing understands that it cannot easily or cheaply win a conflict, it may be more cautious about starting one.

Most of these steps are not technologically difficult: They exploit capabilities that are available today. Yet they require an intellectual shift—a realization that the United States and its allies need to rapidly shut China’s windows of military opportunity, which means preparing for a war that could well start in 2025 rather than in 2035. And that, in turn, requires a degree of political will and urgency that has so far been lacking.

China’s historical warning signs are already flashing red. Indeed, taking the long view of why and under which circumstances China fights is the key to understanding just how short time has become for America and the other countries in Beijing’s path.

(atlantic article hosted on msn)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/what-will-drive-china-to-war/ar-AAQbegN
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Companies should really, really start re-thinking their supply chains from Asia.

Personally, I see China preferring a bloodless take over (with no negative economic impact to China). Other than US putting nuclear missiles there, I see nothing to escalate an attack.

Am sure bloviator-in-chief will provide his usual “critical thinking” without saying much when he sees your thread Reck. This is you Reck, right?

[hater]

lmao its the US fault for supporting Taiwan over there or something here. Leftism is so predictable in its ability to blame the US for anything

Taiwan belongs to China. Always has.

USA getting in bwtween that is as warmonger as it gets. China wont put up with it.

[Thread]

lmao its the US fault for supporting Taiwan over there or something here. Leftism is so predictable in its ability to blame the US for anything

Whenever China decides to take Taiwan, Biden will lift nary finger to stop 'em. Sure, he'll bitch and moan, shit himself even, but he ain't goin' back to war so soon after tunnel visioning his watch as the last 13 of our children stepped down from the plan out at Dover..."and there to meet me is my mama and papa"...

[spurraider21]

:tu they're all commies tbh
why would commies declare war against other commies?

[RandomGuy]

1.)Speculation
2.)History
3.)Psychologizing
4.)Authoritarianism

More of a laundry list than an argument, maybe you were scared already. The US treating the Pacific Ocean as a US lagoon surely drives the antagonism too, with all the attendant dangers.

Not speculation. based on past actions, holmes. read the article.

This was a solid take, and one that should give anyone pause.

[Winehole23]

Not speculation. based on past actions, holmes. read the article.

This was a solid take, and one that should give anyone pause.generalizing your oon take.

bold move.

[ElNono]

Voting for Democrats


...amen to that.


:tu they're all commies tbh

:lol Wait, wait, wait... I thought the commie Democrats loved China and were best buddies... that doesn't look like a sound strategy to start a war with China.

[Isitjustme?]

Whenever China decides to take Taiwan, Biden will lift nary finger to stop 'em. Sure, he'll bitch and moan, shit himself even, but he ain't goin' back to war so soon after tunnel visioning his watch as the last 13 of our children stepped down from the plan out at Dover..."and there to meet me is my mama and papa"...

I'm talking historically. It's pretty obvious a main reason Taiwan was never invaded by China was partially because of us our military support and alliance. Taiwan is also very successful economically and has a strong navy so it wasn't solely us

[RandomGuy]

generalizing your oon take.

bold move.

Not sure what you are looking for here. The article was a compelling one.

[Thread]

I'm talking historically. It's pretty obvious a main reason Taiwan was never invaded by China was partially because of us our military support and alliance. Taiwan is also very successful economically and has a strong navy so it wasn't solely us

...then they'll have nary problem with us stepping aside on this occasion of war and perhaps giving Japan & Germany an opportunity to send their children to the slaughter. After all they've been sitting it out for over 75 years.

Chop/chop!!!

[koriwhat]

why would commies declare war against other commies?

Lmao Thinking that's what's going on here... It's not war against other commies, it's war against us who love this country vs them who don't. Those "dems" are nothing more than useful idiots.

[spurraider21]

Lmao Thinking that's what's going on here... It's not war against other commies, it's war against us who love this country vs them who don't. Those "dems" are nothing more than useful idiots.
the question is "what will drive china to war" and you agreed with "voting for democrats"

why would china be driven to war if we elected (who you consider to be) fellow communists?

[hater]

the question is "what will drive china to war" and you agreed with "voting for democrats"

why would china be driven to war if we elected (who you consider to be) fellow communists?

2.communist countries cannot go to war with each other? Since when?

[spurraider21]

2.communist countries cannot go to war with each other? Since when?
didnt say that

but why would another country going communist (lol) specifically be a driver of war?

[SnakeBoy]

Electric vehicles hopefully

[Isitjustme?]

...then they'll have nary problem with us stepping aside on this occasion of war and perhaps giving Japan & Germany an opportunity to send their children to the slaughter. After all they've been sitting it out for over 75 years.

Chop/chop!!!

I don't have any problem with other UN nations footing the bill or taking the lead so we're not disagreeing here

[Winehole23]

Not speculation. based on past actions, holmes. read the article.

This was a solid take, and one that should give anyone pause.ok, if you say so

[diego]

1) The number of very plausible flashpoints,
2) past Chinese government's willingness to spark small scale wars all the way up to full on interventions, which was a bit new to me.
3) Chinese hubris causing them to overestimate their hand and something escalating.

Chinese autocracy insulates its titular head with yes-men. That is a recipe for disaster.

theres a reason #2 is new to you, its basically laughable. All of the mentioned incidents were defensive in nature and decades ago. Did china colonize vietnam or north korea? no they didnt. The US has more military activity in each single decade, than communist china does in its history, on top of that many of the US actions were offensive in nature and based on false pretenses. Can you imagine if china were training a puerto rican or hawaiian army? and even then the comparison isnt perfect because china actually has a much more legitimate claim over taiwan than the US does on puerto rico or hawaii..

im not saying chinese are perfect or anything like that, but for an american to complain about ANY other country starting wars/saber rattling is laughable. if diplomacy and aversion to war are the hallmarks of democracy, either there is a flaw in the theory or the US is not a democracy...

[hater]

didnt say that

but why would another country going communist (lol) specifically be a driver of war?

If 2 countries are competing for supremacy doesnt matter what they are right?

[spurraider21]

If 2 countries are competing for supremacy doesnt matter what they are right?
Ok.

but why would america “becoming communist” specifically spark a war?

[hater]

Ok.

but why would america “becoming communist” specifically spark a war?

I think what the posters are referring to is voting Democrat is a vote for Big Business, MIC, warmongers.

I disagree. I think regardless of the party. The repugs or demotards are puppets of MIC, Big Corps and warmongers

[spurraider21]

I think what the posters are referring to is voting Democrat is a vote for Big Business, MIC, warmongers.

I disagree. I think regardless of the party. The repugs or demotards are puppets of MIC, Big Corps and warmongers
no. posters said that america voting democrat (and by extension, communist) is what will drive china to war

glad you disagree with them :tu

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Answer: Starving citizens.

/thread

[hater]

no. posters said that america voting democrat (and by extension, communist) is what will drive china to war

glad you disagree with them :tu

Yes. Because the democratic communists are puppets of the big corps, mic, warmongers.

I do disagree. The repugs are also puppets


Cheers

[RandomGuy]

theres a reason #2 is new to you, its basically laughable. All of the mentioned incidents were defensive in nature and decades ago. Did china colonize vietnam or north korea? no they didnt. The US has more military activity in each single decade, than communist china does in its history, on top of that many of the US actions were offensive in nature and based on false pretenses. Can you imagine if china were training a puerto rican or hawaiian army? and even then the comparison isnt perfect because china actually has a much more legitimate claim over taiwan than the US does on puerto rico or hawaii..

im not saying chinese are perfect or anything like that, but for an american to complain about ANY other country starting wars/saber rattling is laughable. if diplomacy and aversion to war are the hallmarks of democracy, either there is a flaw in the theory or the US is not a democracy...

China absolutely installed friendly governments in both vietnam and north korea.

agree with the rest of it though.

[koriwhat]

the question is "what will drive china to war" and you agreed with "voting for democrats"

why would china be driven to war if we elected (who you consider to be) fellow communists?

Because sooner or later your dems will be having to fight their way out of this hell hole first and will most def look towards their overlords for help to defeat those in this nation who still love this country.

[koriwhat]

The repugs or demotards are puppets of MIC, Big Corps and warmongers

Most def. The repubs are spineless pussies who "act" like they're outraged and ready to control the situation but they're sellouts just like the dems in office.

[spurraider21]

Because sooner or later your dems will be having to fight their way out of this hell hole first and will most def look towards their overlords for help to defeat those in this nation who still love this country.
so democrats, who in your hypothetical are being elected, will enlist the help of communist china to declare war against the rest of the US? this is your theory?

[koriwhat]

so democrats, who in your hypothetical are being elected, will enlist the help of communist china to declare war against the rest of the US? this is your theory?

IDC what you think bro because what you think really doesn't matter. You know as well as I know that the destruction of America is happening right before our very eyes under this shit hack administration so play coy all you'd like but you'll wise up sooner or later. Either that or you'll be standing on the wrong side of history bro. :tu

[spurraider21]

IDC what you think bro because what you think really doesn't matter. You know as well as I know that the destruction of America is happening right before our very eyes under this shit hack administration so play coy all you'd like but you'll wise up sooner or later. Either that or you'll be standing on the wrong side of history bro. :tu
this isn't what i think, i'm asking you what you think

[koriwhat]

this isn't what i think, i'm asking you what you think

You know what I think and that's why I said, "IDC what you think", as in I don't care what you think of me, what I think, etc... Shit's going to hit the fan sooner or later and it's just a matter of time unfortunately for us all. I truly hope both sides are just worked up over nothing but I don't think that's the case.

[Isitjustme?]

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